RE: GESO: Photos from Vacation

2005-10-28 Thread Tom C
I especially like the monochrome storm clouds and sun rays... nice.  Now I 
need a martini...


Tom C.





From: David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: GESO: Photos from Vacation
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:01:40 -0700

I got back from vacation over a month ago but I've just now gotten around 
to picking through my photos and finding ones I like enough to share:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/dvb356/sets/1228630/

Comments appreciated,

David






Re: Underwater cameras

2005-10-28 Thread Lucas Rijnders
snip

 There is a budget in place, she needs bang for the buck, not bucks for the
 bang.

Guess this won't help her, then, but it might interest others:
http://www.uk-germany.de/english/uwg_pentax_istDs.html. I think I've seen
official Pentax ones for some for Optio's as well...

Hope this helps,
Regards, Lucas






Re: Advice on travel to East Africa

2005-10-28 Thread Jon Paul Schelter

Thanks Fred,

 I'm pretty much all kitted out now, I resisted the temptation to buy a 
Sigma 200/2.8 or the DA16-45.


istDS, DA18-55, Tamron 70-300, A50/1.4 (just picked this one up for 130$cdn)
2 1G SD cards, and a 30G iPod video.
3 sets of rechargable AAs, plus a backup set of the CRV3s
dual-voltage AA charger with a car adapter.
dual-voltage ipod charger with a car adaper.
a bean-bag pod, a mini-tripod ( should I bring the full-size? buy a 
monopod? I checked out the ergo-pod thing that someone pointed out, 
looks cool, well built, but 100$? still can't decide on that.)


.. I don't actually have a proper bag for all this - the camera and 
lenses fit in my tamrac velocity 6 bag, which is really just a body+zoom 
bag.


Thanks to everyone for all the good advice. I'll see if I can't take a 
couple pictures worth sharing with you.


jp

Fred Widall wrote:

I did a two week tour of Egypt back in July. I took my *istDS,
DA18-55mm, F70-210mm, and an M50mm F1.7. I had a 1Gb SD card in the
camera and took along my PD7X (40Gb) portable drive, and three spare
sets of rechargeable NIMH batteries. This all fitted inside
a Lowepro Omni Traveler bag and weighed in at just under 10lbs.

I'd download images twice a day to the PD7X, and recharge a set of
batteries every night. The PD7X is dual voltage so it worked fine
with Egypt's 220 volt system (even on the Nile cruiseship).

I came home with 15Gbs of images, and a few bits of the Egyptian
desert on my sensor :) I registered all the equipment with Canadian
Customs before leaving, and had no hassles at all.

This setup worked fine for me.

Hope this helps.

--
 Fred Widall,
 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
--







PESO

2005-10-28 Thread Peter McIntosh

Hi all,

From my mum's garden.  Camera shop scanned negative for me, and the 
resultant jpeg left a bit to be desired. I quite like the end result, 
though.  Gave me a good introduction to Power Shop Pro...


All comments most welcome: I've only just started improving images 
electronically, so I'll take all the help I can get!  :-)


http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/50865686

Ciao,

Peter in Sydney



Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Peter McIntosh

Juan Buhler wrote:


Hi list,

I found Frappr, a site that uses Google maps to let people place
themselves in the world. It is organized in groups, so people from
various internet communities can map where they are.

I started a PDML map there. 
 



What a wonderful concept!  I'm in...

Ciao,

Peter in Sydney



Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Mark Stringer
I gave it a shout but nothing shows up.  Should I try it again or is it in a 
que?


Mark Stringer
- Original Message - 
From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: PDML Map



Seems like it can only be deleted by the administrator.

I can delete yours if you want.

I could also make the admin password public here, but that might open
it up for people vandalizing the pins or even someone kidnapping the
admin account...

Let's do this: If you want the admin password, send me email. If you
are a regular in the list, I'll give it to you.

j

On 10/27/05, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I screwed up my shoutout;  can it be edited?





--
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com





Re: PESO - Michael's Spoon

2005-10-28 Thread Raymond Brewster
Hmmm - something about it looks a little staged.

Whats with the balloon syringe/beaker?  And what was the blade behind
the spoon used for? Not the heroin - maybe just a prop?

Sorry Shel - great shot - but I've shot heroin before (once actually)
and I just don't buy it.

-Ray

On 10/27/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I spent a day with a few people who were shooting heroin - got a few rolls
 out of it and every now and then put one up here.

 Shel


  [Original Message]
  From: Godfrey DiGiorgi

  Interesting. Technically perfect. Was this done as part of a project
  or series?

  On Oct 27, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
   http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/mikesspoon.html
   Spotmatic, ST 50/1.4, Tri-x in Acufine, EI 1200






Re: Peso - Another CA picture

2005-10-28 Thread skye
I must have missed the butterfly. I think the dahlias are pretty, but
I usually don't notice whether something is oversharpened so I can't
help you with that. Everything seems plenty sharp and spikey though.
The fence in the corner is a little bit distracting to me, but I don't
suppose you could have helped that. Oddly, I'm fine with the plant
stakes.

On 10/27/05, John Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I posted another Dalia picture (Dalias 2) on:
 http://www.photo.net/photos/JohnGraves

 I treated slightly differently than the butterfly, which some people
 commented as being over sharpened.  Comments please.

 John Graves





Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread Leon Altoff

Shel,

There are already lots of replies, but I'll add mine without looking at 
them so I'm not influenced - Sensor cleaning is an emotive issue.  I 
change lenses too often in places I shouldn't.


The cover over the sensor is a filter.  Most digitals have them though I 
think the Kodak 14 megapixels don't.


The worst my sensor has ever been was caused by a blower brush.  It was 
brand new and full of dust.  Blowers pull in the air where you are, if 
there is dust in it it will be propelled towards your sensor at high 
speed.  I don't use them.


The local Pentax importers use dry nitrogen to clean the sensors.  This 
is I think 99.9% pure nitrogen so when it comes out under pressure there 
is no water vapour to freeze and damage the filter over the sensor.


A dry nitrogen setup will cost you about AU$200 plus gas.  I've 
considered it but haven't gotten around to it.


Canned air is commonly used but you must be very careful not to hold the 
can so that the propellant escapes as this is hard to clean off and will 
take a lot of effort and if it gets under the filter you are in trouble. 
  This goes for dust as well.  It is possible to spray around enough 
air to get the dust lodged between the filter and the sensor.  I've 
never seen it but I'm told it's possible.  I use compressed CO2 which 
does not have a propellant but can cause water vapour to form if you are 
not careful - I haven't had it freeze yet.


Sensor swabs seem like a good idea but they supposedly have one small 
point of contact and can miss the dust you want to get rid of completely.


I have a sensor swipe (see http://www.pbase.com/image/15473243 )  It 
does a good job if you can get the Pec Pad wrapped around it correctly. 
 I now use this for the stubborn dust only.  It has only failed on one 
spec of dust on my second istD body.  It's off to C R Kennedy soon for a 
professional job.  It has gotten rid of all sorts of crud that has 
gotten on to my sensor.


For light, non-adhesive dust I have a visible dust sensor brush from 
http://www.visibledust.com  Both the full size and light brushes do a 
wonderful job.  For a regular clean of light dust they are great.  there 
are a few other options available now - including one from Copper Hill 
who provide the sensor swipe.


That's about it for my experience (and Journey) in cleaning sensors. 
Hope it is of some use to you.


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon


Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Time to clean the sensor in the DS ... locked up the mirror and saw the
sensor thingy.  It looks like there's a plastic layer over the actual pixel
things.  Correct?  Is that particularly delicate or is it for protection,
and, therefore, of a durable nature?

I was thinking of using a blower brush with the brush bristles removed.  Is
that OK?  Any other suggestions?


Shel 








Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

What a hoot.  I can't get the images to load at home so I've been playing with 
it at work.

Steve Jolly seems to have cornered the market on London locations - he has up 
to three going there at the same time.  Plus one in Finland.

Best is when you press the centralise button on the locator thingy.  I 
expected it to centralise on the country I was looking at but it took me to 
Wichita.  Must have missed that left turn in Albuquerque.

mike


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Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/10/28 Fri AM 07:39:31 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PDML Map
 
 Hi,
 
 What a hoot.  I can't get the images to load at home so I've been playing 
 with it at work.
 
 Steve Jolly seems to have cornered the market on London locations - he has up 
 to three going there at the same time.  Plus one in Finland.

And another in Norwich.  And one in Eastern Australia.  Aren't beta versions 
fun?

Unless Steve knows something..

 
 Best is when you press the centralise button on the locator thingy.  I 
 expected it to centralise on the country I was looking at but it took me to 
 Wichita.  Must have missed that left turn in Albuquerque.
 
 mike
 
 
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Re: GESO: Photos from Vacation

2005-10-28 Thread David Mann

On Oct 28, 2005, at 1:01 PM, David wrote:

I got back from vacation over a month ago but I've just now gotten  
around to picking through my photos and finding ones I like enough  
to share:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/dvb356/sets/1228630/

Comments appreciated,


I like them, especially the first and last ones.

That storm pic would look great on the wall.

- Dave



Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother

2005-10-28 Thread David Mann

On Oct 28, 2005, at 6:48 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:


I have the crosshair focusing screen for my MX...


I have the grid screen for my nuclear 6x7.  That has 35 crosshairs...  
there won't be much left when I let that baby off.


- Dave



Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread David Mann

On Oct 28, 2005, at 10:23 AM, William Robb wrote:

I don't think the sensor is particularly delicate, use the same  
caustion you would use when cleaning a good lens.


I thought SMC lenses (you did say good, right?) didn't require any  
caution.


- Dave



Re: My first Cover Photo

2005-10-28 Thread David Mann

On Oct 28, 2005, at 2:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No scan to show Sir. Shot with a very out dated, obsolete Nikon  
D1.:-)what you see is what

they printed.


I think he meant a scan of the actual cover with all of the text,  
etc.  Actually I'd be keen to see it as well.


I do like the photo... it looks like he's doing doughnuts, Old West  
style :)


- Dave




What's wrong with this picture?

2005-10-28 Thread Toralf Lund

Does anyone have any idea about what went wrong here:

http://www.procaptura.com/~toralf/bilde.php?navn=error

?

I mean, where did the horizontal red band come from? This is a scan from 
film, and the band is clearly visible on the negative as well (as green 
rather than red, obviously.) So what may be causing this? Is it stray 
light? Shutter problem? Something wrong with the film or development? 
(Oh no, I'm feeding the digital buffs...) The same effect is visible on 
one more frame on the film. Another is almost completely covered in red, 
to put it that way, but that might be caused by something else entirely 
(filter?). The rest look just fine. Notice that the band is *vertical* 
on the film.


No, I don't think Super Goof was flying by when I took this picture...

- Toralf



Re: PESO - Michael's Spoon

2005-10-28 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Not at all staged - just happened to work out the way it did.  I do not -
and never have - staged any of my photos.  I'm surprised you don't know
what the razor blade was for.  And to question the balloon/syringe  (what
beaker?) - ROTFLMAO 

Perhaps you need to shoot more smack to understand what's happening here -  

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Raymond Brewster 


 Hmmm - something about it looks a little staged.

 Whats with the balloon syringe/beaker?  And what was the blade behind
 the spoon used for? Not the heroin - maybe just a prop?

 Sorry Shel - great shot - but I've shot heroin before (once actually)
 and I just don't buy it.

 -Ray

 On 10/27/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I spent a day with a few people who were shooting heroin - got a few
rolls
  out of it and every now and then put one up here.
 
  Shel
 
 
   [Original Message]
   From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
 
   Interesting. Technically perfect. Was this done as part of a project
   or series?
 
   On Oct 27, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/mikesspoon.html
Spotmatic, ST 50/1.4, Tri-x in Acufine, EI 1200
 
 
 




Re: Oxford Recovers After Wilma

2005-10-28 Thread Cotty
On 27/10/05, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:

Nice story, forwarded to the treasury dept so maybe I could be another 
pdml'er to visit Oxford.  Gotta save up for GFM first tho.

Me too!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Paw: My first Cover Photo

2005-10-28 Thread Cotty
On 27/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

Its not the cover of the Rolling Stone, yet, but this shot made the the
cover of: Local
paper called
Farm and Rural Life.

  http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/
?action=viewcurrent=KVA_PRS_8389.jpg  

Way to go Brooksy. Nice one mate.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: What's wrong with this picture?

2005-10-28 Thread David Savage
Looks like there may have been a light leak that fogged the film to me.

But I really don't know.

Dave

On 10/28/05, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does anyone have any idea about what went wrong here:

 http://www.procaptura.com/~toralf/bilde.php?navn=error

 ?

 I mean, where did the horizontal red band come from? This is a scan from
 film, and the band is clearly visible on the negative as well (as green
 rather than red, obviously.) So what may be causing this? Is it stray
 light? Shutter problem? Something wrong with the film or development?
 (Oh no, I'm feeding the digital buffs...) The same effect is visible on
 one more frame on the film. Another is almost completely covered in red,
 to put it that way, but that might be caused by something else entirely
 (filter?). The rest look just fine. Notice that the band is *vertical*
 on the film.

 No, I don't think Super Goof was flying by when I took this picture...

 - Toralf





Re: PESO PAW - New in Town

2005-10-28 Thread Cotty
On 27/10/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

That's good, Shel. The pictures speaks well.
But I want to react to what the picture tells me, and I could not  
have access to all that information.

I did not connect the mattress with the sitter. I assumed it was street
clutter. If he had been clutching it or sitting on it, then I would have
connected it with the sitter.

When I film an interview, if I frame it so there's an oil refinery behind
a man in overalls, then it's natural to assume the man works at the
refinery. Just because I happen to know he works at the gas station just
visible in the frame at far right or left means nothing. The viewer will
rightly assume he works at the refinery. Until he opens his mouth and
starts talking about fixing cars...




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Snake in Oxford

2005-10-28 Thread Cotty
On 27/10/05, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cotty, you're ready for Texas, guv.

It's on the list - my wife wants to go - supposed to have a good music
scene in Austin.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO PAW - New in Town

2005-10-28 Thread John Forbes

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:31:18 +0100, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 27/10/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:


That's good, Shel. The pictures speaks well.
But I want to react to what the picture tells me, and I could not
have access to all that information.


I did not connect the mattress with the sitter. I assumed it was street
clutter. If he had been clutching it or sitting on it, then I would have
connected it with the sitter.

When I film an interview, if I frame it so there's an oil refinery behind
a man in overalls, then it's natural to assume the man works at the
refinery. Just because I happen to know he works at the gas station just
visible in the frame at far right or left means nothing. The viewer will
rightly assume he works at the refinery. Until he opens his mouth and
starts talking about fixing cars...


I'd assume he works at the refinery, but his heart's not in it.  :-)

John

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Re: PESO PAW - New in Town

2005-10-28 Thread keith_w

Cotty wrote:


On 27/10/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:



That's good, Shel. The pictures speaks well.
But I want to react to what the picture tells me, and I could not  
have access to all that information.



I did not connect the mattress with the sitter. I assumed it was street
clutter. If he had been clutching it or sitting on it, then I would have
connected it with the sitter.

When I film an interview, if I frame it so there's an oil refinery behind
a man in overalls, then it's natural to assume the man works at the
refinery. Just because I happen to know he works at the gas station just
visible in the frame at far right or left means nothing. The viewer will
rightly assume he works at the refinery. Until he opens his mouth and
starts talking about fixing cars...

 
Cheers,

  Cotty


Communication 201?

you're entirely right.

There are so MANY things we just assume, and without someone to help 
color our so-called knowledge, we remain as ignorant as before.


Communication of the truth is a never-ending job, and should never be 
taken lightly.  IMMHO...


keith



Re: PESO

2005-10-28 Thread keith_w

Peter McIntosh wrote:


Hi all,

 From my mum's garden.  Camera shop scanned negative for me, and the 
resultant jpeg left a bit to be desired. I quite like the end result, 
though.  Gave me a good introduction to Power Shop Pro...


All comments most welcome: I've only just started improving images 
electronically, so I'll take all the help I can get!  :-)


http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/50865686

Ciao,

Peter in Sydney


I like it!
I think the framing selection was well done. Just enough extra room for 
the tip of the lower leaf, the other 3 sides contain just enough extra 
room to be comfortable with the subject being complete as shown.

In other words, everything is there.
There's enough shadow detail, yet the whites are not blown out...

Yup! Good shot! Good processing...

keith whaley in Los Angeles de California



Sharpening

2005-10-28 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Interesting and worthwhile article about sharpening digital and scanned
images:

http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/23471.html?cprose=daily


Shel 



Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread danilo
me too, cannot see any map, even if something is shown in the place
where the map should be...

it seems some browser related problem, I've tried to look at the
source page, but google is not very keen to let you understand their
code... lol

I mean I've no time to understand all that pseudo obfuscated stuff...
I just gave up very soon...

Those of you that can manage to see it, which browser are you using??

ciao,
Danilo.



Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nothing is worse than having to clean film. My sensor gets nowhere near 
as dirty as do those negatives in the lab. I used to figure at least 
thirty minutes cleaning every scan. UGH.

Paul
On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:39 PM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: Markus Maurer
Subject: RE: Cleaning Sensors



Hi William and Shel

Does every digital SLR need that sensor cleaning or are there better 
dust
sealed bodies and are the Pentax ones better or worse in this regard 
than

other brands?
For me as a film user, that cleaning sensor thing seems to be 
necessary

quite often, Shel's camera is nearly new.
I seldom clean my film bodies, I just have a look at the film 
pressure plate

when I change film if it is clean.


Film is nice, the dust has a moving target..

William Robb





Re: PESO

2005-10-28 Thread Peter McIntosh

keith_w wrote:


I like it!
I think the framing selection was well done. Just enough extra room 
for the tip of the lower leaf, the other 3 sides contain just enough 
extra room to be comfortable with the subject being complete as shown.

In other words, everything is there.
There's enough shadow detail, yet the whites are not blown out...

Yup! Good shot! Good processing...

keith whaley in Los Angeles de California


Thanks, Keith!

Ciao,

Peter



RE: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread Don Sanderson
BluTack sounds like the handiest thing since
Sliced Bread and Duct Tape! ;-)
http://www.glubie.com/01_Pages/Blu-Tack.htm

Don

 -Original Message-
 From: Don Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:13 AM
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Cleaning Sensors


 Although the *ist D is the first
 'undedicated' digital camera I have it
 is not the first digital device with CCD
 sensors, or the first fussy optical
 device I've needed to clean. The work I
 do is fussy and dust blobs not only mess
 up the interpretation of
 photomicrographs they are terribly
 annoying as well.

 I've tried all kind of cleaning methods.
 Methanol on Ross tissue. Brushes cleaned
 and prepared in different ways. Now I
 use 'Blue Tack'. Not only on sensors,
 but on microscope objectives, camera
 lenses, eyepieces and other optical
 components. Although Blue Tack *must*
 leave something behind after it is
 peeled off, this trace amount of
 plasticizer, or solvent, or whatever, is
 invisible, undetectable and does not
 effect the optical properties in any
 way. In my laboratory, in days of yore,
 we used collodion. A solution (in
 chloroform) was poured over the surface
 of the (very expensive) lens or flat and
 when it had dried was peeled off leaving
 a pristine surface. There are very
 expensive lens cleaning solutions
 available now that are used the same
 way. However, I clean microscope
 objectives that cost thousands of
 dollars with blue tack without the
 slightest qualm.

 Cut a piece a little larger than the
 sensor, press it firmly to the surface
 making sure it makes contact everywhere.
 Then get hold of one end (I use forceps)
 and peel it off. The surface of the
 window will be as clean as you'll ever
 get it considering where it is inside
 the camera. I use the stuff over and
 over again keeping it in a dust free
 flat screw top container. I cleaned a
 lens five inches in diameter the other
 day. For economical reasons did it in
 sections. I used a piece of blue tack
 about an inch square and moved it about.
 To clean a very tiny lens -- 2mm or less
 in diameter (the end of a microscope
 objective) I make a sharp point and
 press in firmly again the mount
 including the metal.

 If this worries you, or if the 'blue
 tack' you have is suspect, get hold of a
 dusty lens that doesn't matter too much
 and try it. Do it a dozen times with the
 same piece of 'tack' and you'll see how
 effective this method can be. You can
 find Blue Tack at Glubie Glue in Indiana
 -- I think.

 Don

 P. J. Alling wrote:
  As long as you don't have any particularly recalcitrant dust it should
  be sufficient.
 
  Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  Time to clean the sensor in the DS ... locked up the mirror and saw the
  sensor thingy.  It looks like there's a plastic layer over the actual
  pixel
  things.  Correct?  Is that particularly delicate or is it for
 protection,
  and, therefore, of a durable nature?
 
  I was thinking of using a blower brush with the brush bristles
  removed.  Is
  that OK?  Any other suggestions?
 
 
  Shel
 
 
 
 
 

 --
 Dr E D F Williams
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 Updated: Photomicro Link -- 18 05 2005




Re: PESO - The Magic Ball

2005-10-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
Just saw this one now. Nice choice of abstraction technique here. It 
works well.

Paul
On Oct 28, 2005, at 1:16 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Almost anything would have made it more than it was ... Thanks for the
atta-boy ;-))

Shel



[Original Message]
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi



Yes, different. Abstracted past a photograph into a painterly
rendering. You've taken a pretty simple photograph and made it more
than it was. :-)

Godfrey

On Oct 27, 2005, at 5:22 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Something different - from the streets and side alleys of Kensington,
California

 http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/magicball.html

Tech details:  ME-Super, a cheap color neg film, and poor exposure


Shel










Re: Sharpening

2005-10-28 Thread keith_w

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Interesting and worthwhile article about sharpening digital and scanned
images:

http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/23471.html?cprose=daily


Shel 


Good article, but I seem to be missing something...
In Figure 8 the author says the tree branches are too sharp.
What the heck does *that* mean?
He proceeds to show a 1.5X insert, to illustrate what he means, and so 
far as I'm concerned, it has brought out the detail of the ends of the 
branches, against the sky. So why is that a bad thing?


keith



Mark Cassino's Gallery Shows

2005-10-28 Thread Paul Stenquist



From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: October 27, 2005 7:58:31 PM EDT
To: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Sawyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Kenneth Waller' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MiPUG in Kalamazoo?

Hey Guys -

I've not been active on the list, but I hope all is going well for you
all.

If you'd be interested in a trip out to Kalamazoo, I have two one
person shows up from now till the end of the year.  One is a 47 piece
exhibit of snow crystals at the Kalamazoo Nature Center.  It's been
very well attended (I even managed to get a few minutes on the local
news to talk about it). The other is a 29 piece show -  mostly BW
landscapes - in a small gallery / frame shop in Richland, MI (just 10
mile NE of Kalamazoo).  The opening was last Saturday and it went
great - I splurged and had several shots from the 6x7 blown up to
24x30, and the folks at the frame shop went all out with the framing.
For most of these shots it was the first time ever that they were
exhibited, so I've been happy with the turnout so far.

We're about at peak for color here - if you wanted to come out, blitz
the shows and do some shooting, that would be great.

Let me know if you are available - given our past scheduling it will
probably be December before we find a clear date!

Later -

MCC





Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread tomreese
Apparently there are others who screwed theirs up. I don't know how you're 
going to handle all of them. G

You can e-mail me the password and I'll fix it.


 Seems like it can only be deleted by the administrator.
 
 I can delete yours if you want.
 
 I could also make the admin password public here, but that might open
 it up for people vandalizing the pins or even someone kidnapping the
 admin account...
 
 Let's do this: If you want the admin password, send me email. If you
 are a regular in the list, I'll give it to you.
 
 j
 
 On 10/27/05, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I screwed up my shoutout;  can it be edited?
 
 
 
 
 --
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 http://www.jbuhler.com
 photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
 



Re: Sharpening

2005-10-28 Thread Herb Chong
the picture isn't high enough resolution for me to see, but the text says 
that there is noise in the sky that he isn't happy with and doesn't want to 
make too noticeable.


Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: Sharpening



Good article, but I seem to be missing something...
In Figure 8 the author says the tree branches are too sharp.
What the heck does *that* mean?
He proceeds to show a 1.5X insert, to illustrate what he means, and so far 
as I'm concerned, it has brought out the detail of the ends of the 
branches, against the sky. So why is that a bad thing?




Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Firefox (1.0.7), tried with Explorer (6.0...) and also
worked, although slower.
Maybe a plug-in issue?

 
 --- danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

 me too, cannot see any map, even if something is
 shown in the place
 where the map should be...
 
 it seems some browser related problem, I've tried to
 look at the
 source page, but google is not very keen to let you
 understand their
 code... lol
 
 I mean I've no time to understand all that pseudo
 obfuscated stuff...
 I just gave up very soon...
 
 Those of you that can manage to see it, which
 browser are you using??
 
 ciao,
 Danilo.
 
 




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Re: Sharpening

2005-10-28 Thread Steve Jolly

keith_w wrote:

Good article, but I seem to be missing something...
In Figure 8 the author says the tree branches are too sharp.
What the heck does *that* mean?
He proceeds to show a 1.5X insert, to illustrate what he means, and so 
far as I'm concerned, it has brought out the detail of the ends of the 
branches, against the sky. So why is that a bad thing?


I thought that many of the example photos were too heavily jpegged for 
me to be able to see what he was talking about, sadly.  That was one of 
them.


S



Re: More Mac and iPhoto questions

2005-10-28 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If she saves the scans as jpegs to a folder on her hard drive, 
she can use the import command in iPhoto to load them. That 
way she'll have original scans in a separate folder. 

Way too complex for this particular user. She really needs a single
application in which she can do the scanning, minor image corrections
(like most mainstream camera users, she wants to be able to edit out
red-eye), printing and archiving (including CD-ROM).
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread tomreese
I didn't see the map until I temporarily allowed Google to use Javascript.

Tom Reese


 Firefox (1.0.7), tried with Explorer (6.0...) and also
 worked, although slower.
 Maybe a plug-in issue?
 
  
  --- danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
 
  me too, cannot see any map, even if something is
  shown in the place
  where the map should be...
  
  it seems some browser related problem, I've tried to
  look at the
  source page, but google is not very keen to let you
  understand their
  code... lol
  
  I mean I've no time to understand all that pseudo
  obfuscated stuff...
  I just gave up very soon...
  
  Those of you that can manage to see it, which
  browser are you using??
  
  ciao,
  Danilo.
  
  
 
 
 
   
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Re: PESO: Abandoned Mill

2005-10-28 Thread Peter McIntosh

Dave Kennedy wrote:


A collegue and I planned a photo outing this past saturday morning,
hoping to get some sunrise shots. Turned out cold, overcast and foggy.
Ended up at this mill in Balaclava, about an hour from home.

This is one of those places I'd love to get into, but there are no
tresspassing signs all over :-(

http://www.pbase.com/davekennedy/image/51247594/original

Comments welcome.
 


Simply stunning.

Ciao,

Peter in Sydney



Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Mark Roberts
danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

me too, cannot see any map, even if something is shown in the place
where the map should be...

That's what I got in Firefox. I didn't even try Internet Explorer
because I'm sure my security settings are too tight for it to have any
chance of displaying anything.

it seems some browser related problem, I've tried to look at the
source page, but google is not very keen to let you understand their
code... lol

I mean I've no time to understand all that pseudo obfuscated stuff...
I just gave up very soon...

Those of you that can manage to see it, which browser are you using??

I ended up using Mozilla. It messes up the frameset for some reason (the
member list is largely hidden *under* the map image!), but it's usable
for the most part.
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/10/28 Fri AM 10:44:42 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Re: PDML Map
 
 me too, cannot see any map, even if something is shown in the place
 where the map should be...
 
 it seems some browser related problem, I've tried to look at the
 source page, but google is not very keen to let you understand their
 code... lol
 
 I mean I've no time to understand all that pseudo obfuscated stuff...
 I just gave up very soon...
 
 Those of you that can manage to see it, which browser are you using??
 
Strangely, NS7.x in both cases.  W2k here, ME at home.  Coffeescript on in both 
cases, although I did delete the script cache file at home some time ago as it 
was harbouring a trojan.  I assumed it would recreate it but maybe not...

m


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Re: Paw: My first Cover Photo

2005-10-28 Thread Kenneth Waller
Way to go Dave!

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Paw: My first Cover Photo

  Hi Gang.

Its not the cover of the Rolling Stone, yet, but this shot made the the cover 
of: Local
paper called
Farm and Rural Life.

  http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t=KVA_PRS_8389.jpg

Hey, its a start.LOL

Now i have to start shooting cows  sheep, as well as horses. LOL

Comments welcome.

Dave






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Re: Sent the Dark Side to My Brother

2005-10-28 Thread Mark Roberts
David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Oct 28, 2005, at 6:48 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 I have the crosshair focusing screen for my MX...

I have the grid screen for my nuclear 6x7.  That has 35 crosshairs...  
there won't be much left when I let that baby off.

I bought the MX screen on an eBay auction that described it as a
crosshatch screen. I was hoping it would be the grid screen but ended
up with an interesting collector's item instead :)
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Paw: My first Cover Photo

2005-10-28 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Its not the cover of the Rolling Stone, yet, but this shot made the the cover 
of: 
Local paper called Farm and Rural Life.

  
 http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=viewcurrent=KVA_PRS_8389.jpg
  

Congratulations Dave!
Do you know how they're going to set up the cover to use this shot? I
mean, you have a horizontally-framed photo and most magazines are taller
than they are wide.

Good work!
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: My first Cover Photo

2005-10-28 Thread brooksdj
Oh. 


I re read the post and i think your correct Dave. I'll set the scanner up and 
see what i
can do.

Dave 

 On Oct 28, 2005, at 2:02 PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  No scan to show Sir. Shot with a very out dated, obsolete Nikon  
  D1.:-)what you see is what
  they printed.
 
 I think he meant a scan of the actual cover with all of the text,  
 etc.  Actually I'd be keen to see it as well.
 
 I do like the photo... it looks like he's doing doughnuts, Old West  
 style :)
 
 - Dave
 
 






Re: Re: Sharpening

2005-10-28 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/10/28 Fri AM 11:00:49 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Sharpening
 
 Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  Interesting and worthwhile article about sharpening digital and scanned
  images:
  
  http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/23471.html?cprose=daily
  
  
  Shel 
 
 Good article, but I seem to be missing something...
 In Figure 8 the author says the tree branches are too sharp.
 What the heck does *that* mean?
 He proceeds to show a 1.5X insert, to illustrate what he means, and so 
 far as I'm concerned, it has brought out the detail of the ends of the 
 branches, against the sky. So why is that a bad thing?

He is so immersed in the digital world, he doesn't realise that the digital 
images he has used to illustrate the article are at least an order of magnitude 
too small to be of any use.

His next article will be on resizing.

A case of complete and utter digimania, I'm afraid.  So sad.

m


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Re: Paw: My first Cover Photo

2005-10-28 Thread brooksdj

 Congratulations Dave!
 Do you know how they're going to set up the cover to use this shot? I
 mean, you have a horizontally-framed photo and most magazines are taller
 than they are wide.
 
 Good work! -- 
 Mark Roberts
 Photography and writing
 www.robertstech.com
 
Hi Mark and thanks.
They have published the paper. I received a copy last night. I had no idea they 
were going
to use it.
It fits pretty much across the whole top half of the paper. 
Tim asked to see a scan of the page(sorry i mis understood your request Tim) so 
i can show
you.

I'll try and do that tonight.

Dave





Re: Skills - was Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side

2005-10-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have to come down on the side of overall improved quality. Magazine 
editors who don't pay a lot and are used to uneven contributions tell 
me that the work is noticeably better than it was five years ago. I see 
it in the web galleries as well.

Learning a process like photography involves a cycle: Shoot the picture,
turn it into something viewable (print or image on a monitor), evaluate
what you've done and how you might improve it and then repeat the whole
thing. Digital has shortened the entire cycle and speeded it up,
allowing anyone who wants to learn to fit more cycles into any given
time period. There's no guarantee that any given person *will* take
advantage of this shorter cycle, but those who have a desire to learn
and improve, and I dare say that includes most people on this list, are
just the type who will do so. I think it's showing in the images we're
seeing.
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: PESO PAW - New in Town

2005-10-28 Thread Cotty
On 28/10/05, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed:

There are so MANY things we just assume, and without someone to help 
color our so-called knowledge, we remain as ignorant as before.

Sure, but a still photograph should present us with a situation that we
can interpret. Not for the viewer to know any facts at all about how the
picture was shot. It's up to us to assume what we will. And what if the
assumption is wrong? We can still enjoy the pic ;-)




Cheers,
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Re: Re: Sharpening

2005-10-28 Thread David Savage
Fair go guy's. It's an excerpt from a book. I imagine if you had the
hardcopy in front of you the pictures wouldn't be as hard to see.

Dave

On 10/28/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Wrom: JVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHA
  Date: 2005/10/28 Fri AM 11:00:49 GMT
  To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
  Subject: Re: Sharpening
 
  Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
   Interesting and worthwhile article about sharpening digital and scanned
   images:
  
   http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/23471.html?cprose=daily
  
  
   Shel
 
  Good article, but I seem to be missing something...
  In Figure 8 the author says the tree branches are too sharp.
  What the heck does *that* mean?
  He proceeds to show a 1.5X insert, to illustrate what he means, and so
  far as I'm concerned, it has brought out the detail of the ends of the
  branches, against the sky. So why is that a bad thing?

 He is so immersed in the digital world, he doesn't realise that the digital 
 images he has used to illustrate the article are at least an order of 
 magnitude too small to be of any use.

 His next article will be on resizing.

 A case of complete and utter digimania, I'm afraid.  So sad.

 m


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Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Scott Loveless
On 10/28/05, danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Those of you that can manage to see it, which browser are you using??


Firefox 1.0.7 with Javascript enabled.


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http://www.twosixteen.com

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Re: Re: Sharpening

2005-10-28 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/10/28 Fri AM 11:56:00 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Re: Sharpening
 
 Fair go guy's. It's an excerpt from a book. I imagine if you had the
 hardcopy in front of you the pictures wouldn't be as hard to see.
 
 Dave

Direction failure on my sense of humour again.  If I was being serious, I would 
have targeted the twerp who prepared it for Web.

m

 
 On 10/28/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
   Wrom: JVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHA
   Date: 2005/10/28 Fri AM 11:00:49 GMT
   To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
   Subject: Re: Sharpening
  
   Shel Belinkoff wrote:
  
Interesting and worthwhile article about sharpening digital and scanned
images:
   
http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/23471.html?cprose=daily
   
   
Shel
  
   Good article, but I seem to be missing something...
   In Figure 8 the author says the tree branches are too sharp.
   What the heck does *that* mean?
   He proceeds to show a 1.5X insert, to illustrate what he means, and so
   far as I'm concerned, it has brought out the detail of the ends of the
   branches, against the sky. So why is that a bad thing?
 
  He is so immersed in the digital world, he doesn't realise that the digital 
  images he has used to illustrate the article are at least an order of 
  magnitude too small to be of any use.
 
  His next article will be on resizing.
 
  A case of complete and utter digimania, I'm afraid.  So sad.
 
  m
 
 
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Re: Re: Sharpening

2005-10-28 Thread David Savage
Whoops. I forgot to add the smiley at the end of my last message. I'm
so tired right now I can't think straight.

'night all.

Dave

On 10/28/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Wrom: HSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFX
  Date: 2005/10/28 Fri AM 11:56:00 GMT
  To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
  Subject: Re: Re: Sharpening
 
  Fair go guy's. It's an excerpt from a book. I imagine if you had the
  hardcopy in front of you the pictures wouldn't be as hard to see.
 
  Dave

 Direction failure on my sense of humour again.  If I was being serious, I 
 would have targeted the twerp who prepared it for Web.

 m

 
  On 10/28/05, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
Wrom: JVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHA
Date: 2005/10/28 Fri AM 11:00:49 GMT
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Sharpening
   
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
   
 Interesting and worthwhile article about sharpening digital and 
 scanned
 images:

 http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/23471.html?cprose=daily


 Shel
   
Good article, but I seem to be missing something...
In Figure 8 the author says the tree branches are too sharp.
What the heck does *that* mean?
He proceeds to show a 1.5X insert, to illustrate what he means, and so
far as I'm concerned, it has brought out the detail of the ends of the
branches, against the sky. So why is that a bad thing?
  
   He is so immersed in the digital world, he doesn't realise that the 
   digital images he has used to illustrate the article are at least an 
   order of magnitude too small to be of any use.
  
   His next article will be on resizing.
  
   A case of complete and utter digimania, I'm afraid.  So sad.
  
   m
  
  
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FS Friday

2005-10-28 Thread Angel Ramos




Hi Gang!

The 77mm Limited is sold!
I still have for sale the following.  On Sunday it will be at Ebay.

1) Tokina AT-X Pro  80-200mm f2.8, Metal hood,  excellent condition.  
Reason, I have enabled myself with a Pentax  lens, so I am in no need to have 2 
lenses in this Range.  I paid  $400 dollars for this in excellent condition.  
Make a good offer.


Shipping to be paid by buyer,  we can discuss the way for sending the 
payment, and the shipping  carrier.



Regards to All

Angel Ramos
Arecibo, Puerto Rico




Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Doug Franklin
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:44:42 +0200, danilo wrote:

 Those of you that can manage to see it, which browser are you using??

Showed up fine in Opera 8.5.

Didn't work in Firefox 1.0.7.

Didn't work in Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519

All on Windows XP SP2 will all current patches applied.


TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Fwd: Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Doug Franklin
==BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:44:42 +0200, danilo wrote:

 Those of you that can manage to see it, which browser are you using??

Showed up fine in Opera 8.5.

Didn't work in Firefox 1.0.7.

Didn't work in Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519

All on Windows XP SP2 will all current patches applied.
===END FORWARDED MESSAGE===

Firefox 1.0.7 started working when I changed the javascript setting
that allows/prevents javascript code changing graphics on the page.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Worked fine with my IE 6.0, Win XP, SP1

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Doug Franklin 

 Didn't work in Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519

 All on Windows XP SP2 will all current patches applied.




Re: Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Doug Franklin
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:53:48 -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Worked fine with my IE 6.0, Win XP, SP1
 
 Shel 
 
  From: Doug Franklin 
 
  Didn't work in Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519

Probably due to a difference in our security settings or zones or
something.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: PESO - The Magic Ball

2005-10-28 Thread Shel Belinkoff
You're too kind ;-))

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Stenquist 

 Just saw this one now. Nice choice of abstraction technique here. 
 It works well.

  http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/magicball.html




Re: PESO

2005-10-28 Thread Jack Davis
Peter,
Very nice full blossom! Absolutely obvious why you chose it to capture.
Only one minor pedal flaw which could be easily fixed.
The crop you chose is understandable, but I don't think the lower leaf
is worth the imbalance necessary to include it.
The areas of glare and/or bakah at the top are very distracting. IMO if
you can PS them away in some way, it would be a definite improvement. 
If you have an option to re-shoot it, a slight angle change would be
worth trying.

Jack
 


--- Peter McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
  From my mum's garden.  Camera shop scanned negative for me, and the 
 resultant jpeg left a bit to be desired. I quite like the end result,
 
 though.  Gave me a good introduction to Power Shop Pro...
 
 All comments most welcome: I've only just started improving images 
 electronically, so I'll take all the help I can get!  :-)
 
 http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/50865686
 
 Ciao,
 
 Peter in Sydney
 
 




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Re: PESO: Boston Harbor

2005-10-28 Thread Gaurav Aggarwal
Thanks so much for your feedback. I really appreciate it. I am looking
forward to such comments to help me improve as I go along. Regards,
Gaurav

On 10/27/05, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gaurav,

 My slightly-belated welcome!  I like your pix.

 I think the harbor pic could do with some cropping--it
 seems bottom-heavy and left-heavy to me.  I would crop
 about 1/4 of the way in from the right, and just above
 the top of the sailboat's mast.

 Similarly, I would crop the park pic down through the
 tree trunk (which would eliminate that body emerging
 on the right), and just below that horizontal branch.
 Looks as though you have some camera motion blur on
 this one, too.

 Keep them coming!

 Rick

 --- Gaurav Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Wow! I feel so much more comfortable. So many people
  remember my post
  from months
  ago. I am amazed. Thanks for your welcome. I really
  appreciate it.
 
  I was intending to post another shot until next week
  but here are two
  shots I took in Boston:
 
 
 http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-10/1098407/harbor.jpg
 
 http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-10/1098407/bostoncommons.jpg
 
  Gaurav



PESO: Ripples old, foliage new.

2005-10-28 Thread Cory Papenfuss
	Southwest Virginia appalachia at sunset.  Took a quick flight in 
my plane this week at sunset to try to capture some color.  Haven't had 
time to try to get any better adjustments out of it, but figured I'd share 
anyway.


http://www.ee.vt.edu/~mythtv/PESO/

-Cory

--

*
* Cory Papenfuss*
* Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student   *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University   *
*



Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Dario Bonazza
Mr. P. Bear, eh? I'm afraid that P means Polar. Not yet penguins in the very 
South?


Dario

- Original Message - 
From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:47 PM
Subject: PDML Map



Hi list,

I found Frappr, a site that uses Google maps to let people place
themselves in the world. It is organized in groups, so people from
various internet communities can map where they are.

I started a PDML map there. Go to

http://www.frappr.com/pdml

And map yourself, if you care to do so. No need (or possibility) to
add an exact address, so privacy should not be a problem.

Let's see where we all are!

j

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Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Cotty
On 28/10/05, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed:

Mr. P. Bear, eh? I'm afraid that P means Polar.

Might be Prussian




Cheers,
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Re: Underwater cameras

2005-10-28 Thread Christian
These were shot at the GBR with my old optio 330 and the matching Pentax 
housing OW-P1 or something (good for 130ft - recreational limits)

http://photography.skofteland.net/thumbnails.php?album=6

The housing cost about $200 3 years ago a little less than the camera.

Canon make a housing for just about every digi PS they have.  Pentax has a 
few as well and some of the Optios even have a UW mode (adds red, removes 
blue).  I know olympus makes housings for many of their cameras.


Ikelite is a great source www.ikelite.com as well for housing and strobes. 
Everything from digi PS to multiple strobe TTL SLR housings.


The other choice if she has a digi PS already and there is not a housing 
for it is the zip-lock bags from 
http://www.ewa-marine.de/english/index.htm


BH have most of the Canon, Pentax and Oly housings as well as the ikelite 
and EWA stuff.


HTH
Christian

- Original Message - 
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:27 PM
Subject: OT: Underwater cameras


A friend of mine is on the lookout for a digital underwater camera for 
scuba diving. The equipment should meet IPX8 (40 meters depth) standards.

Any ideas on whats out there that's decent?
Thanks

William Robb






Re: What's wrong with this picture?

2005-10-28 Thread Charles Robinson

On Oct 28, 2005, at 4:26, David Savage wrote:

Looks like there may have been a light leak that fogged the film to  
me.


But I really don't know.

Dave

On 10/28/05, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Does anyone have any idea about what went wrong here:

http://www.procaptura.com/~toralf/bilde.php?navn=error



My first impression, as well, is that the film was somehow exposed to  
light - perhaps at some point in the development stage.   If you look  
at the negative strip, does the green band cross over the frame  
boundaries - or is it restricted to this one frame?


If it's restricted to the frame, then something happened to the  
camera that allowed the light to get in through the lens in a weird  
way.  If there is a stripe going across frame boundaries, then the  
film was fogged at some point when it was NOT in the camera.


 -Charles

--
Charles Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org



Re: What's wrong with this picture?

2005-10-28 Thread Christian


- Original Message - 
From: Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Pentax Discuss pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:06 AM
Subject: What's wrong with this picture?



Does anyone have any idea about what went wrong here:

http://www.procaptura.com/~toralf/bilde.php?navn=error



If it's film, I'd say a light leak.

Christian



Re: More Mac and iPhoto questions

2005-10-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Oct 28, 2005, at 4:31 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:


If she saves the scans as jpegs to a folder on her hard drive,
she can use the import command in iPhoto to load them. That
way she'll have original scans in a separate folder.


Way too complex for this particular user. She really needs a single
application in which she can do the scanning, minor image corrections
(like most mainstream camera users, she wants to be able to edit out
red-eye), printing and archiving (including CD-ROM).


iPhoto does not have an Import command that I'm aware. In the  
latest iPhoto (v5.0.4), there is the menu command File-Add to  
Library... which replaces the more standard File-Open... command.  
Even easier is:


1) create a folder
2) scan the images, save the scans to that folder
3) start iPhoto
4) drag the folder onto iPhoto

That doesn't seem all that complicated. If a user doesn't understand  
how to create a folder, save files into it, then drag and drop the  
folder to a window, they probably don't know how to use the computer:  
these are very basic skills. I don't know of any software that makes  
this less difficult.


Perhaps the HP software itself will do all this in one application? I  
don't know since I don't use an HP scanner and have no access to  
their delivered software.


Godfrey



Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf
If you think about it, the only way you could have an air tight SLR is 
if the lens had no moving parts, or it was vacuum sealed. Unfortunately 
the lenses do have moving parts and therefore they act like a bellows 
sucking air and out of the mirror chamber. So any DSLR camera that is 
used much is going to need to have dust cleaned off the sensor now and then.


graywolf
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Markus Maurer wrote:


Hi William and Shel

Does every digital SLR need that sensor cleaning or are there better dust
sealed bodies and are the Pentax ones better or worse in this regard than
other brands?
For me as a film user, that cleaning sensor thing seems to be necessary
quite often, Shel's camera is nearly new.
I seldom clean my film bodies, I just have a look at the film pressure plate
when I change film if it is clean.
greetings
Markus

 


Time to clean the sensor in the DS ... locked up the mirror and saw the
sensor thingy.  It looks like there's a plastic layer over the actual
pixel
   




 





Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

http://www.frappr.com/pdml


Seems to work in Safari v2.0.1 on Mac OS X v10.4.2.

G



Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: David Mann 
Subject: Re: Cleaning Sensors





I don't think the sensor is particularly delicate, use the same  
caution you would use when cleaning a good lens.


I thought SMC lenses (you did say good, right?) didn't require any  
caution.


They can be damaged by cleaning if you work at it.

William Robb



Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf
Howcome so many folks here have/had all these troubles with dust and 
scratches on negatives? I have only had much of a problem when I did 
something stupid, which was often enough but aviodable with a little 
effort on my part. Wear those disposable white cotton gloves, blow off 
the negative before putting it in the enlarger and after removing it, 
then put it back into the negative sleeve, and never never leave an 
unprotected negative laying around (this was always my biggest problem).


If I had to guess, it would be that people skip that step of blowing off 
the negative before putting it back into the sleeve thereby insuring 
that dust gets into the sleeve, and everytime the negative is inserted 
or removed it get more scratched.


graywolf
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Bruce Dayton wrote:


Of course, film has a huge problem with dust after the negative has
been developed.  Then every time you do something with it, you get
lots of dust and scratches.  I have spent significantly less time
dealing with dust with digital than I did with film.

 





Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Raimo K

This is great! Thank you for the initiative.
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho


- Original Message - 
From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:47 AM
Subject: PDML Map



Hi list,

I found Frappr, a site that uses Google maps to let people place
themselves in the world. It is organized in groups, so people from
various internet communities can map where they are.

I started a PDML map there. Go to

http://www.frappr.com/pdml

And map yourself, if you care to do so. No need (or possibility) to
add an exact address, so privacy should not be a problem.

Let's see where we all are!

j

--
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http://www.jbuhler.com
photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com





Re: A photo posted for comment

2005-10-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Barry Rice wrote:
 
 Hey Folks,
 
 Since it is common for folks to post photos, I've put one of my own new
 images up. This came off my first roll with my new *istDS (ok, I'm still not
 used to thinking digitally).
 
 I'm writing a book on carnivorous plants and wanted some photos of seeds of
 a Federally Endangered pitcher plant. Instead of the usual diagnostic photo
 of seeds on a bit of paper, I wanted to show the seeds still in the
 dehiscing fruit, and also convey the fact the plants make seeds in the fall.
 
 http://www.sarracenia.com/temp/oreophila.jpg
 
 *istDS, Tamron 90mm macro, flash.
 
 So there you go!
 
 B
 
 Barry A. Rice, Ph.D.
 Invasive Species Specialist
 Global Invasive Species Initiative
 The Nature Conservancy
 V: 530-754-8891
 http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu

Barry, I think for scientific publication, you
will want more depth of field,
if you can achieve it --( usually the problem I
have with digital is that you can't
reduce the DOF so easily :) )The composition is
lovely and the detail in the
foreground works.  

annsan (Nature Conservancy member, btw:) )



OT: Opinions of KENTMERE fiber based paper wanted

2005-10-28 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Anyone use this stuff?
I have a friend who asked me to ask.  
He is going to be taking an advanced printing
independent study class. I never heard of this
paper myself

T I A

annsan



Re: PESO

2005-10-28 Thread Bruce Dayton
Very nice.  I like the placement of the flower and the many layers of
petals.  The more you work with images the quicker and better you'll
get a manipulating them to your desired result.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Friday, October 28, 2005, 12:25:04 AM, you wrote:

PM Hi all,

PM  From my mum's garden.  Camera shop scanned negative for me, and the
PM resultant jpeg left a bit to be desired. I quite like the end result,
PM though.  Gave me a good introduction to Power Shop Pro...

PM All comments most welcome: I've only just started improving images
PM electronically, so I'll take all the help I can get!  :-)

PM http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/50865686

PM Ciao,

PM Peter in Sydney





Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf

How come no one lives in the phantom world shown on the map?  GRIN!

graywolf
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Juan Buhler wrote:


Hi list,

I found Frappr, a site that uses Google maps to let people place
themselves in the world. It is organized in groups, so people from
various internet communities can map where they are.

I started a PDML map there. Go to

http://www.frappr.com/pdml

And map yourself, if you care to do so. No need (or possibility) to
add an exact address, so privacy should not be a problem.

Let's see where we all are!

j

--
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com


 





Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf
The text that shows up in the balloon when someone clicks on your name. 
Basically, a Hello.


graywolf
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Andre Langevin wrote:


What is the shoutout I am asked to enter?

Andre






Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: graywolf

Subject: Re: Cleaning Sensors


Howcome so many folks here have/had all these troubles with dust and 
scratches on negatives?


I think the advent of point source scanners showed a lot of scratches that 
were invisible with diffusion printing.
A lot of my negs from one lab were pretty much unusable as scanned negs, but 
just fine if enlarged in a darkroom.


William Robb 





Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread Tom C
Could also be the use of minilabs operated by untrained or uncaring 
personnel in a rush to get the stuff out the door.


Hadn't thought about the point source thing.  WR surprises me sometimes. :)

Tom C.





From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Cleaning Sensors
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:07:34 -0600


- Original Message - From: graywolf
Subject: Re: Cleaning Sensors


Howcome so many folks here have/had all these troubles with dust and 
scratches on negatives?


I think the advent of point source scanners showed a lot of scratches that 
were invisible with diffusion printing.
A lot of my negs from one lab were pretty much unusable as scanned negs, 
but just fine if enlarged in a darkroom.


William Robb







Re: PDML Map

2005-10-28 Thread Bruce Dayton
When I tried to add myself via Firefox browser, it did not work.  I
went back with IE and was able to add myself just fine.  I also
noticed some behavior differences with Firefox vs. IE.  The site does
seem to have some problems with other browsers.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Friday, October 28, 2005, 3:44:42 AM, you wrote:

d me too, cannot see any map, even if something is shown in the place
d where the map should be...

d it seems some browser related problem, I've tried to look at the
d source page, but google is not very keen to let you understand their
d code... lol

d I mean I've no time to understand all that pseudo obfuscated stuff...
d I just gave up very soon...

d Those of you that can manage to see it, which browser are you using??

d ciao,
d Danilo.





Re: Safe voltages for the *stDS flash hotshoe?

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf
Um...? If the trigger voltage was much too high, and the camera did not 
have overvoltage protection of some sort, your problem would not have 
been flakey flash operation, but rather burned out shutter electronics. 
I suspect it was a polarity problem. Some of the voltage isolation 
electronics are polarity sensitive, older mechanical sync were not. You 
most likely could have fixed the problem by switching the sync leads in 
the hotfoot of the flash.


graywolf
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P. J. Alling wrote:

My ZX-M behaved very strangely with a cheap Vivitar 2000 flash 
mounted.  I'm sure the trigger voltage was much too high for it.  
Since then I've been careful not to mount high voltage flashes on 
newer camera bodies, (I've since sold the ZX-M).  I haven't used the 
Vivitar on anything other than older mechanical bodys since.


Glen wrote:


At 08:19 AM 10/27/2005, Mark Roberts wrote:


William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Glen

 So, I still don't know the true voltage and current specs for the 
hotshoe,
 but at least I know it works with my old higher-voltage Sunpak 
flash. I'm

 both surprised and delighted.

The entire flash voltage issue is an invented one.

Possibly invented by lawyers with liability concerns.




No, I think there were some cameras made with limited hotshoe 
ratings. Perhaps those were Canon or some other brand? Apparently, 
many people assumed that all the new cameras had this limitation.


It's also a good way for camera store sales people to sell you 
completely new flash equipment, when you might not really need it. I 
suspect that some shops intentionally don't want to know which 
cameras are safe with higher voltages, because they want to sell more 
of their new lower-trigger-voltage flash units. I know that my local 
Pentax dealer claimed the *istDS needed a low trigger voltage.


In fact, the first person I reached at Pentax didn't know the answer, 
but even he seemed to think that perhaps the *istDS might need a low 
trigger voltage. It was only when he transferred me to Mark (a higher 
level of support), that I got an accurate description of the truth.



take care,
Glen









Re: Safe voltages for the *stDS flash hotshoe?

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf
Trigger voltage on my old Vivitar 283 is 400 volts. Almost mind 
boggling. My ancient Norman 200B 200 watt-second strobes are only 200 volts.


graywolf
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---



Raimo K wrote:

No, it is not. There are older flashes with really high trigger 
voltages, like the

Made in Japan version of Vivitar 283 - voltage is almost the same: 275 V.
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho


- Original Message - From: Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net; pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Safe voltages for the *stDS flash hotshoe?


snip



The entire flash voltage issue is an invented one.


snip





Re: PESO PAW - New in Town

2005-10-28 Thread keith_w

Cotty wrote:


On 28/10/05, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed:


There are so MANY things we just assume, and without someone to help 
color our so-called knowledge, we remain as ignorant as before.




Sure, but a still photograph should present us with a situation that we
can interpret. Not for the viewer to know any facts at all about how the
picture was shot. It's up to us to assume what we will. And what if the
assumption is wrong? We can still enjoy the pic ;-)



Oh, you're right! It's when we get done enjoying it, and try to explain
*why* we enjoy it that we get into hot water with all those who also 
enjoyed it!

We're enjoying it for all the wrong reasons, it seems!  sighhh.

keith



Cheers,
  Cotty




Re: A* 200 f2.8 ED versus A* 300 f4

2005-10-28 Thread Kenneth Waller
I also carry a 1.4 xs extender 100% of the time but only use it sparingly. For 
local wildlife, I'll take the 600 maybe 1 in 4 times and only bother to set up 
about a quarter of the time I take it (locally - out of the car). When I've got 
the 600 in the field I also have a 1.4 xl  2.0 xl extender but very seldom use 
the 2.0. 

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A* 200 f2.8 ED versus A* 300 f4

when i think i am going to be shooting mostly wildlife, i have the 300/4.5 
and the 400/5.6 with me. if i know i am going to be shooting wildlife, and i 
can get it there, i will have the 400/2.8 with me as well. in either case, i 
will have at least the 1.7X AF extender.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: A* 200 f2.8 ED versus A* 300 f4


 I always carry a 200mm  a 300mm. The 300mm gets used a lot more than the 
 200mm (maybe 9 times out of 10 I choose the 300 over the 200).
 The 300 f4.5 is the FA  the 200 is the f4.0 macro A.




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Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf
I remember back a long time ago when there were these magazine articles 
saying that computer memory was fast approaching theoretical limits and 
soon could get no larger. They were wrong on two counts. 1. They 
obviously did not understand the theory because memory now is several 
times as dense as they said was possible. 2. Chips got larger. Just so 
you understand, they were saying that when memory chips were about 64 
kilobits each GRIN!.


graywolf
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Paul Stenquist wrote:

I can see the difference in my *ist D prints from the FA 35/2 vs. the 
DA16-45/4. The latter show excellent resolution in 12 x 18 size, the 
former are superb. Wearing my most powerful reading glasses and 
examining the prints at a distance that is far closer than that from 
which they would normally be displayed, the difference is discernible. 
Based on this very unscientific experiment, I would have to say that 
the D can take advantage of better lenses. I'm sure you can come up 
with some mathematics that belies that, but the physical evidence says 
otherwise.

Paul
On Oct 27, 2005, at 1:19 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:


On 26 Oct 2005 at 22:03, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side




I love the look of my Pentax lenses too, but short of doing some Canon
lens
mount butchery they really aren't being taken full advantage of due to
Pentax's
poor offerings.



Here we disagree. The istD is hardly a poor offering imaging wise.



Yep I agree it's fine if you only use a slow consumer zoom lens.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998








Epson Stylus R1800 Ink Jet printer?

2005-10-28 Thread Jack Davis
I'd appreciate any opinions +/- about the Epson R1800. Whatever your
experience or have heard about it.
Have a tired Epson 820, the product of which has been sort of a
acceptable 'proof', but now feel it's time to get more serious about a
home produced final print.
If you'd care to taut your own preference, please do so.


Thanks,

Jack 



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Re: Snake in Oxford

2005-10-28 Thread Gonz



Cotty wrote:

On 27/10/05, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:



Cotty, you're ready for Texas, guv.



It's on the list - my wife wants to go - supposed to have a good music
scene in Austin.



Absolutely.  Called The Live Music Capital of the World.  You and the 
missus will have boot scootin good time.  Stay at our place!







Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread Bruce Dayton
That is very true.  Many of my negs show very fine scratches that
look to be caused by the film processor.  They don't show up on the
prints done at the lab.  When I scan them with my Minolta Scan Dual II
I can see them.  If I scan them on the Epson 2450 - very diffused
light, they don't show up.

Prior to scanning my film, I was not as cognizant of the dust and
scratches.  If I wanted a reprint or enlargement, I just took the
negative to the lab.  But scanning at home has opened my eyes.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Friday, October 28, 2005, 9:07:34 AM, you wrote:


WR - Original Message - 
WR From: graywolf
WR Subject: Re: Cleaning Sensors


 Howcome so many folks here have/had all these troubles with dust and
 scratches on negatives?

WR I think the advent of point source scanners showed a lot of scratches that
WR were invisible with diffusion printing.
WR A lot of my negs from one lab were pretty much unusable as scanned negs, but
WR just fine if enlarged in a darkroom.

WR William Robb 






Re: Cleaning Sensors

2005-10-28 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Tom C

Subject: Re: Cleaning Sensors



Hadn't thought about the point source thing.  WR surprises me sometimes. 
:)


Sometimes I amaze myself, too.




Re: Snake in Oxford

2005-10-28 Thread Cotty
On 28/10/05, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:

Absolutely.  Called The Live Music Capital of the World.  You and the 
missus will have boot scootin good time.  Stay at our place!

If I tell her that, she will jump through the ceiling.

That's a very kind offer - going to be a few years away I fear - just
about to enter a vast financial chasm known as 'buying a house' !!






Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf
Which actually seems to be the problem. The istD successor was supposed 
to hit the shelves last spring. I personally think it was unavailability 
of the sensors in production quantities that held that up. It is 
probably behind the Samsung partnership thing too.


graywolf
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William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side




I guess my question is how the heck do other manufacturers manage to 
sell one
camera that's higher spec'd than a *ist D if that's all anyone 
actually needs?



I don't think anyone would argue with you on that one Rob.
I guess my question is who is making APS-C or larger sensors in the 
10-12 mp range that Pentax can buy from?


William Robb






Re: Snake in Oxford

2005-10-28 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Cotty

Subject: Re: Snake in Oxford




That's a very kind offer - going to be a few years away I fear - just
about to enter a vast financial chasm known as 'buying a house' !!


You'll be sorry.
WW



Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side

2005-10-28 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: graywolf

Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side


Which actually seems to be the problem. The istD successor was supposed to 
hit the shelves last spring. I personally think it was unavailability of 
the sensors in production quantities that held that up. It is probably 
behind the Samsung partnership thing too.


Didn't Nikon have to start making their own sensors to get what they wanted?

William Robb 





Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf
Not really, first the current camera is hardly functionally obsolete. 
Second I doubt anyone is going to be able to tell the difference between 
a 6mp and an 8mp image. Linear magnification is the important spec and 
that has to double to be a really meaningful improvement (that is 4x 
megapixels, for the math impaired).


I find it interesting how many people make a decision based upon 
features they never have used, and probably would not use if they had 
them. But they look sooo good on that spec sheet. Me, I don't care 
how much sizzle that ad has, I want the steak to taste good; but others 
seem to like the taste of paper.


graywolf
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Tom C wrote:

There seems to be an ongoing defense of Pentax in regards to them 
being a smaller firm, not being able to get the sensors, etc.  Well 
when comparing camera brands, models available, and deciding on 
purchases, isn't this a relevant factor?




Tom C.





From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:28:40 -0600


- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side




I guess my question is how the heck do other manufacturers manage to 
sell one
camera that's higher spec'd than a *ist D if that's all anyone 
actually needs?



I don't think anyone would argue with you on that one Rob.
I guess my question is who is making APS-C or larger sensors in the 
10-12 mp range that Pentax can buy from?


William Robb










Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side

2005-10-28 Thread graywolf
Apparently you are not aware of how numerical contolled machine tools 
work. It is a matter of loading the correct program, chucking the 
correct piece of metal, and hitting the on button. Once you have the 
program, it takes only  ten minutes or so to set up to produce a 
particular part.


graywolf
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Tom Reese wrote:


I still don't know about this. In my mind, these lenses have too many custom
parts for them to bother making a single lens. The lens barrels, the
focusing helixes, the diaphragm mechanisms etc have to be different. I can't
see Pentax going to their supplier and ordering one of each to build a
single A 15mm lens. I can see them producing a batch of fifty or so but I
don't think they'd bother for an older model that has been replaced in the
lineup.

Like I said, it's an interesting idea.

 


The ain't shutting down no line to make your A15, Tom. They put them
together in a little job shop in the basement grin. In fact I would
not be suprised to find out that they grind the lens elements on a
numerically contolled grinder and polish them by hand. They probably
haven't made enough 15mm's since 1975 to keep a serious production line
busy for one day.
   




 





Re: Snake in Oxford

2005-10-28 Thread Cotty
On 28/10/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

You'll be sorry.

Worse: it needs work before we can move in!!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side

2005-10-28 Thread Tom C
I never said the *ist D was functionally obsolete.  I wasn't making a case 
for comparing images generated from 6mp vs 8mp sensors.  Actually I was 
going down another line of thinking.


I was saying that many seem to express the attitude of Oh well, this is 
what we have come to expect from Pentax.  They are a smaller company. They 
don't make their own sensors. This makes them dependent on other suppliers.  
Therefore they are slow to release new products. Therefore they are behind 
the curve..  My question was, in view of the above, Is that not a factor 
to consider when making a purchasing decision?.  I think the answer to that 
can be nothing but 'Yes'.


It won't be the only factor to consider and it will be more heavily weighted 
by some than by others.



Tom C.





From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:48:09 -0400

Not really, first the current camera is hardly functionally obsolete. 
Second I doubt anyone is going to be able to tell the difference between a 
6mp and an 8mp image. Linear magnification is the important spec and that 
has to double to be a really meaningful improvement (that is 4x megapixels, 
for the math impaired).


I find it interesting how many people make a decision based upon features 
they never have used, and probably would not use if they had them. But they 
look sooo good on that spec sheet. Me, I don't care how much sizzle 
that ad has, I want the steak to taste good; but others seem to like the 
taste of paper.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
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Tom C wrote:

There seems to be an ongoing defense of Pentax in regards to them being a 
smaller firm, not being able to get the sensors, etc.  Well when comparing 
camera brands, models available, and deciding on purchases, isn't this a 
relevant factor?




Tom C.





From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:28:40 -0600


- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side




I guess my question is how the heck do other manufacturers manage to 
sell one
camera that's higher spec'd than a *ist D if that's all anyone actually 
needs?



I don't think anyone would argue with you on that one Rob.
I guess my question is who is making APS-C or larger sensors in the 10-12 
mp range that Pentax can buy from?


William Robb













Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side

2005-10-28 Thread Tom C

Ahh... Power shortage then...

Tom C.





From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:06:55 -0400

Apparently you are not aware of how numerical contolled machine tools work. 
It is a matter of loading the correct program, chucking the correct piece 
of metal, and hitting the on button. Once you have the program, it takes 
only  ten minutes or so to set up to produce a particular part.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
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Tom Reese wrote:

I still don't know about this. In my mind, these lenses have too many 
custom

parts for them to bother making a single lens. The lens barrels, the
focusing helixes, the diaphragm mechanisms etc have to be different. I 
can't

see Pentax going to their supplier and ordering one of each to build a
single A 15mm lens. I can see them producing a batch of fifty or so but I
don't think they'd bother for an older model that has been replaced in the
lineup.

Like I said, it's an interesting idea.




The ain't shutting down no line to make your A15, Tom. They put them
together in a little job shop in the basement grin. In fact I would
not be suprised to find out that they grind the lens elements on a
numerically contolled grinder and polish them by hand. They probably
haven't made enough 15mm's since 1975 to keep a serious production line
busy for one day.














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