Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Vic MacBournie"
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?


>
- Think Minolta users. Life's a compromise
> and I think you and I did a lot better than those Canon users who had
> to trade in those gorgeous F1s for an EOS and $50,000 worth of new
> lenses...
>

I may be wrong, but if you weren't forward thinking enough to get your 
non-AI Nikkor lenses modified, then you are pretty much hooped with 
Nikon digital as well.

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Re: PESO: Harvest Moon

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan"
Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon


> Shel,
>
> What a stuck-up bunch of elitists we must look like.  Put a picture up
> and we'll tell you where your are failing.  Is that why we have
> PESO's?  So we can frighten people off?  What lurker is gonna put
> something out in this friendly forum?
>
> I know you know John personally and perhaps he feels comfortable with
> your critique.  Funny, but I would of thought he wouldn't have
> bothered to post the picture if he thought it was so common that it
> would be immediately panned.
>
> This is what I imagine the Leica list is like.  Post your picture and
> we will tell you why it isn't good enough.  Wow, I wish we were the
> old Pentax list where folks tried to give constructive criticism and
> friendly advice.  I don't feel that spirit in your comments.

Respectfully, I disagree,
I have had my share of offlist abuse tossed at me because I practice 
disagreement.

For the most part, pictures posted to the list are greeted with oohs and 
aahs.

"Much nicer than any moon pic I have ever shot."
"Intriguing, dramatic. Excellent work IMO."
"Nice shot and an especially good conversion to BW..."

With the occassional constructive critisism:

"Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider.  Not
> too bad with the circumstances.  Handholding with that a short of DOF
> is quite difficult.
> Nice work"

That stops just short of a circle jerk.

This is just not healthy.
My mother taught me that if I had nothing nice to say, then say nothing.
Is that what is expected?
How can a person learn if they don't get told what they are doing wrong 
by their peers?
If a picture is sophomoric crap, then someone should point this out.
If a person's work is developing a boring sameness, they should be told 
they are developing a genre unto themselves, to perhaps snap them out of 
the rut they are getting into.
If a picture is technically perfect, but esthetically boring, should 
that go unstated?

If you put a picture out there, and solicit comments, then take the good 
with the bad.
It's not just about pleasing oneself, and just because oneself is 
pleased with a picture doesn't automatically make it a good picture.

Shooting broadsides at a picture may be unkind, shooting broadsides at 
someone who had made an honest effort to critique a photo, whether or 
not the critique is nice, is unfair.

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Re: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kenneth Waller"
Subject: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2


> Any one on the list have any experience with this feature in PS CS2?
> Care to share your experiences - good/bad, suggestions.
>
> I'm going to try some of this in the coming week on images I intend to
> capture this week in the U. P. of Michigan.
>
> Thanks in advance

I've found it works like a hot damn.
Just use the autobracket when shooting, and give a fairly wide range
between exposures.
It won't work with 16 bit files, unfortunately.

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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?


> Wrong, you simply do not understand the situation. Its a
> Totally different story. Canon went to a new mount for TECHNICAL
> IMPROVEMENTS. Pentax has not gone to a new mount at all for any
> technical
> Gain. Its pure LOSS. No progress. Get it? We didn't give up something
> To get something in exchange, we just lost features of damn nice 
> lenses
> For ZERO technical reason or improvement.

There were some pretty mad Canon users, no matter why the mount changed.
And those old FD lenses have pretty much been rendered obsolete.
The old Pentax lenses can still take fine pictures on modern equipment.

Life is too short to wear too tight underwear all the time.
If you really want to shoot with a DSLR using your old Pentax lenses, 
then pick up a Pentax DSLR and take pictures. Lots of people do that 
very thing.
If you don't want to use a DSLR with your old Pentax glass, then don't. 
I doubt if anyone is going to come to your house and hold a gun to your 
head to force it upon you.

This forum is probably the worst place for you to vent your spleen all 
over the issue. If Pentax does, in fact, read what we whine about, then 
what they are reading is one guy all pissfaced about compatability, a 
couple of guys who agree, but got on with life, and a whole bunch of 
users who consider it a non issue.
Every time it comes up, that it is a non issue gets reinforced again.

In other words, you are not helping your own cause, or the cause of the 
people who would like reinstatement of the aperture simulator, but 
aren't losing their minds about it.

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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?


> Give it up will you? Locked exposure settings is manual
> By any standard. If you have to push a button everytime to
> Get the correct exposure its not AUTOmatic. Your playing
> The semantics game not me...

My understanding (semantics) is that when in an automatic exposure mode, 
the camera will set one exposure parameter to compensate for the other 
one being adjusted by the user.
The implementation on the PSLR cameras is that the user sets the 
aperture setting, and then pushes a button once.
The camera then sets the shutter speed itself.
I see what you are getting at that the user having to push a button 
means that the exposure is now manual, but the routine is closer to 
automatic than manual, since the camera is still doing all the exposure 
calculation.

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Re: PESO - spider from the window

[Charles Robinson]

On Oct 8, 2006, at 18:58, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider.  Not
> too bad with the circumstances.  Handholding with that a short of DOF
> is quite difficult.
>

Way cooler than mine - all web and NO spider - but I kinda like mine  
anyways, if you don't mind peeking here:

  http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_Photos/pages/page_64.html

It was a lot harder than I thought it would be to photograph this  
web

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RE: GESO - Breaking Waves

[Jens Bladt]

Thans, Tim. You're very kind :-)
Yes. It's rather cold - about 15-16 degrees, I'd say. (I didn't go for a
swim, though).
Here, at the east acost - I use a wet-suit for swimming during
September-November.
That helps a lot :-)
Regards

Jens Bladt
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Well done. I can feel the smell and hear the waves. I saw them as slideshow.
Could work very well with music.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)


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I have discovered, that photographinig the sea is much more difficult than I
thought :-)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594316648589/
Sorry 'bout the blue cast, though ...
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RE: Ebay frustration

[Jens Bladt]

I believe the paper work is a great hazzard - because of the threath of
terrorism, I suppose.

In my experience lots of items, that otherwise wouldn't, will show up if you
log in at ebay.de or ebay.co.uk or ebay.nl, or what ever European language
you'll prefere, and do your search from there.
Also pirces a smaller in Germany, because many Germans don't feel
comfortable speeking/writing English. If you speak the local language it may
help to convince the seller to ship abroad )(I don't know where yopu live).

I bought lots of stuff in Germany, that didn't show up at ebay.com.

Regards
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Is there something about the postal system in the US that makes it
particularly difficult to post things overseas?  I ask because I am
searching for Pentax medium format systems and most of the ones I find
listed on Ebay in the US will only ship to the US.  It is extremely
frustrating.  Is it laziness on the part of the lister?  Does the rest of
the world not exist?  Is there some kind of difficulty involved?

James


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Re: 300*F4.5

[John Francis]

On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:50:39AM +0800, David Savage wrote:
> At 10:44 AM 9/10/2006, Joseph Tainter  wrote:
> >My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera
> >older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with
> >their camera.
> 
> Is that fact or rumor?

Just rumour, at present.  We won't know for sure until we see
a DA* lens on the shelves (probably around March next year).

Basically there seem to be two camps:  "Pentax already screwed
us once by taking away aperture rings, so why wouldn't they do
it again?", and "Pentax have the best backwards compatibility
story of any major manufacturer, so are they really likely to
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Re: PESO -- Half a web...

[P. J. Alling]

I actually have more nerve than you think, I actually joined in on that 
pointless thread. 

Rick Womer wrote:

>WELL, Mr. Alling, you CERTAINLY have your NERVE to
>post a PHOTOGRAPH rather than joining in the hundreds
>of messages of UTTERLY POINTLESS (and endlessly
>repeated) argument with a certain JCO!
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>I don't care for the photo, but it's an improvement on
>the reigning argument.
>
>Rick
>
>--- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I'm not sure if I like this shot, I'm not sure why
>>I'm posting it, I'm 
>>not sure what anyones reaction will be...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_halfaweb.html
>  
>
>>Technical Data:
>>Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 200 @ 1/100sec (M)
>>smc Pentax M 120mm f2.8 @ f8.0
>>
>>As usual comments are welcome but may be completely
>>ignored.
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Re: PESO - spider from the window

[Ann Sanfedele]

I can't get it to load
is it gone again, mat?

ann - just dashed onto the list for a min




Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> Nice shot. Ugly spider:-)
> Paul
> On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:11 PM, Mat Maessen wrote:
> 
> > On 10/8/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Where is the URL? Why delete it immediately?
> >> Paul
> >
> > Oops.
> > http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/testscans/IMGP0281-
> > cropped.jpg.html
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> > -Mat
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Re: 300*F4.5

[David S.]

Vic MacBournie wrote:
> Do you have a link for that?
> 
> On 8-Oct-06, at 10:44 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:
> 
> 
>>Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on
>>ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record???
>>Vic
>>
>>-
>>
>>There's a thread on it over at dpreview.
>>
>>My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera
>>older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus 
>>with
>>their camera.
>>
>>Joe
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280033701440

I saw info afout this on another forum yesterday.  I bought one of 
these, also in near mint condition about 6 years ago through ebay for 
about 1/2 this price.

These kind of prices makes us have to rethink insurance values for some 
of our lenses.



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Re: PESO -- Half a web...

[Rick Womer]

WELL, Mr. Alling, you CERTAINLY have your NERVE to
post a PHOTOGRAPH rather than joining in the hundreds
of messages of UTTERLY POINTLESS (and endlessly
repeated) argument with a certain JCO!

Thank you very much.

I don't care for the photo, but it's an improvement on
the reigning argument.

Rick

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> I'm not sure if I like this shot, I'm not sure why
> I'm posting it, I'm 
> not sure what anyones reaction will be...
> 
>
http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_halfaweb.html
> 
> Technical Data:
> Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 200 @ 1/100sec (M)
> smc Pentax M 120mm f2.8 @ f8.0
> 
> As usual comments are welcome but may be completely
> ignored.
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> 
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Re: 300*F4.5

[Alan Chan]

> Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on
> ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record???
> Vic

Once in awhile price surged, but I think it's peaked for now, and I doubt it
will reach that high again. Just weeks ago it was $7xx. Sometimes you just
need the right buyer, but that doesn't happen everyday.

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Re: 300*F4.5

[Kenneth Waller]

> I assumed from the subject line that it was the SMC-P F* version, which
> has the tripod mount.  

Obviously I assumed it was the FA.
If it was the SMC-P F*, it makes me wonder what the FA is worth?

Kenneth Waller

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> Kenneth Waller wrote:
>> Paid less than $800 USD for mine new several years ago !
>> A great lens IMHO even w/o the tripod mount.
> 
> I assumed from the subject line that it was the SMC-P F* version, which
> has the tripod mount.  I love that tripod mount, even when I'm hand
> holding the lens, which is almost always.  Once in a great while, I'll
> put it on the monopod.
> 
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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[David Mann]

On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:32 AM, William Robb wrote:

> You aren't saying anything new.
> This is pretty much a dead topic.

Sorry but topics only die when someone either quotes definitions from  
a dictionary or invokes Godwin's Law.

In this case I wouldn't know as I'm skipping 90% of this thread :)

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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[David Mann]

On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Bob W wrote:

> No, it's a movie. Groundhog Day.

So where's Andie MacDowell?

(someone had to ask)

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Re: 300*F4.5

[Doug Franklin]

Kenneth Waller wrote:
> Paid less than $800 USD for mine new several years ago !
> A great lens IMHO even w/o the tripod mount.

I assumed from the subject line that it was the SMC-P F* version, which
has the tripod mount.  I love that tripod mount, even when I'm hand
holding the lens, which is almost always.  Once in a great while, I'll
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Re: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2

[David Mann]

On Oct 9, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> Any one on the list have any experience with this feature in PS CS2?
> Care to share your experiences - good/bad, suggestions.

I had a play with it some time ago, but I was feeding it scanned  
images.  It really doesn't like large files :)

With a good set of exposures I think it could be very useful.  If/ 
when I get a DSLR I'll probably use it whenever I can be bothered  
with a tripod.

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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Paul Stenquist]

Maybe three and a half.
Paul
On Oct 8, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

>> There are at least three people who get emotional about this. The
>> rest of us don't give a damn.
>
> Three huh?
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> - Original Message -
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>
> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>
>
>> There are at least three people who get emotional about this. The
>> rest of us don't give a damn.
>> Paul
>> On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>>> Just because we're relatively quite about it doesn't mean that were
>>> happy about it not being there.  Especially since it seems to be a
>>> purely marketing decision.
>>>
>>> John Forbes wrote:
>>>
 On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:58:38 +0100, J. C. O'Connell
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:



> I want the feature very much and I am
> Sure there are millions of lens owners that do to.
>
>

 Really?

 Rubbish!

 John



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Re: 300*F4.5

[P. J. Alling]

It's a rumor but an informed one.

David Savage wrote:

>At 10:44 AM 9/10/2006, Joseph Tainter  wrote:
>  
>
>>My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera
>>older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with
>>their camera.
>>
>>
>
>Is that fact or rumor?
>
>Dave 
>
>
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Re: 300*F4.5

[Kenneth Waller]

Paid less than $800 USD for mine new several years ago !
A great lens IMHO even w/o the tripod mount.

Kenneth Waller


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Subject: 300*F4.5


> Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on 
> ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record???
> Vic
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Re: 300*F4.5

[Doug Franklin]

Vic MacBournie wrote:
> Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on 
> ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record???

Egads!  That's like four times what I paid for mine three or four years ago.

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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Kenneth Waller]

> There are at least three people who get emotional about this. The  
> rest of us don't give a damn.

Three huh?

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?


> There are at least three people who get emotional about this. The  
> rest of us don't give a damn.
> Paul
> On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> 
>> Just because we're relatively quite about it doesn't mean that were
>> happy about it not being there.  Especially since it seems to be a
>> purely marketing decision.
>>
>> John Forbes wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:58:38 +0100, J. C. O'Connell  
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I want the feature very much and I am
 Sure there are millions of lens owners that do to.


>>>
>>> Really?
>>>
>>> Rubbish!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: 300*F4.5

[Vic MacBournie]

Do you have a link for that?

On 8-Oct-06, at 10:44 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on
> ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record???
> Vic
>
> -
>
> There's a thread on it over at dpreview.
>
> My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera
> older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus 
> with
> their camera.
>
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Re: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2

[Kenneth Waller]

> Not sure what it does or is supposed to do.

It's a way of increasing the dynamic range of the scene. You basically take 
several images of the same scene (on a tripod), vary the exposure from 
"ideal" by selecting varying shutter speeds above & below "ideal".  P.S. CS2 
then merges all these images into a single giving exposure with an increased 
range of density.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: RE: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2


> Not sure what it does or is supposed to do. I use PS Elements 4.0, so it
> probably isn't on the tool bar.
>
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Re: Back on -can't resist

[Vic MacBournie]

Oh well that's interesting... maybe i will try it. Thanks
Vic
On 8-Oct-06, at 10:42 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> yes I have been using the mail archive but you can't respond. And
> sooner or later a discussion like the green button gives you reason to
> respond... LOL
> Vic
>
> -
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> Yes, you can respond through Mail-Archive. I do it all the time (to the
> chagrin of most everyone here). You just need to be signed up with the
> option not to receive emails. Then, at Mail-Archive, just type in the
> address pdml@pdml.net, in place of the address of the poster.
>
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Re: 300*F4.5

[Adam Maas]

David Savage wrote:
> At 10:44 AM 9/10/2006, Joseph Tainter  wrote:
>> My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera
>> older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with
>> their camera.
> 
> Is that fact or rumor?
> 
> Dave 
> 

Strong Rumour. Unless Pentax adds a secondary drive mechanism, the new 
SSM lenses will not AF on bodies earlier than the K10D.

Of course, the new 300 is a D-FA*, not a DA*, so it may not be SSM. But 
I can't see why it wouldn't be.

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Re: 300*F4.5

[David Savage]

At 10:44 AM 9/10/2006, Joseph Tainter  wrote:
>My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera
>older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with
>their camera.

Is that fact or rumor?

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300*F4.5

[Joseph Tainter]

Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on
ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record???
Vic

-

There's a thread on it over at dpreview.

My take is that prices may go even higher, once everyone with a camera 
older than the K10D realizes that the DA* lenses will not autofocus with 
their camera.

Joe

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Back on -can't resist

[Joseph Tainter]

yes I have been using the mail archive but you can't respond. And
sooner or later a discussion like the green button gives you reason to
respond... LOL
Vic

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chagrin of most everyone here). You just need to be signed up with the 
option not to receive emails. Then, at Mail-Archive, just type in the 
address pdml@pdml.net, in place of the address of the poster.

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300*F4.5

[Vic MacBournie]

Did anyone catch the closing price on the one that just finished on 
ebay. $1,600+. Wow that's some price. Must be a record???
Vic


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Re: PESO - The Line Forms to the Right

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Bruce,

I think they close @ 6:00pm, although Saturday may be different.  I'll drop
you a note off line with the address and the hours.  I like the
soppressata, they've got some nice hams (one they've just started carrying
- I'll get the name for you - it's yummy - far beyond the typical boiled
hams), a nice Genoa salami, some really neat and very flavorful Molinari
chub salamis (little ones hanging near the front window), a very flavorful
imported Italian Provolone - but you've gotta ask for it - and a nice
assortment of ravioli and tortellini from Genoa.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Nice shot - gives a good sense of place.  Your description has peaked
> my interest - I want to go there and get a sandwich now.  Maybe on one
> of my trips to the city and I can swing by.  Any idea on their hours?
> I'd most likely be swinging by early evening, if they are open.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> -- 
> Bruce
>
>
> Saturday, October 7, 2006, 8:35:13 AM, you wrote:
>
> SB> Zarri's Delicatessen has been an institution in the little community
of
> SB> Albany for 35 years. A family operation (the patriarch, Joe Zarri,
usually
> SB> called Mr. by his customers, still works in the store and recently
turned
> SB> 85 years old), they serve good food at reasonable prices (you can
still get
> SB> a sandwich for $3.00, and their imported Italian pasta can be had for
only
> SB> 89-cents for a package), and have a broad selection of olive oil,
pasta
> SB> sauces, a nice, but simple selection of cheese, and a fine selection
of
> SB> sandwich meats, as well as some old fashioned Italian favorites like
salt
> SB> cod.  However, their biggest business is their sandwich trade - they
sell
> SB> between 600 and 1100 sandwiches a day depending on the day and the
time of
> SB> year.
>
> SB> I visit Zarri's at least once a week for a lunch sandwich, or to
sometimes
> SB> pick up a favorite olive oil or some pasta.
>
> SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/lineformstoright.html
>
> SB> This was one of the first pics I took  with the K18/3.5 on the istDS.



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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION

[Adam Maas]

David Bliss wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 04:54:31PM -0500, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Actually, you get matrix metering with A lenses even if using the 
>> aperture ring (And pre-A lenses can be modified to support matrix metering)
> 
> Adam,
> 
> Could you elaborate on this? Is it just a matter of machining the appropriate
> contacts into the lens to program the aperture range (I have a chart of these
> values somewhere) and leaving the * contact connected to show non-auto-
> aperture?
> 
> This would be pretty useful to me if so.
> 
> Thanks!
> David Bliss
> 
> 

Actually, I was wrong with regards to the DSLR bodies. Some of the older 
film bodies can do this however. And yes, it pretty much is just a 
matter of adding the correct contacts (or to be exact, the correct blank 
areas of non-contact).

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Re: Back on -can't resist

[Vic MacBournie]

yes I have been using the mail archive but you can't respond. And 
sooner or later a discussion like the green button gives you reason to 
respond... LOL
Vic

On 8-Oct-06, at 10:22 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> I keep logging off this list because I can't deal with all the emails
> but i always come back because I can't live without the PDML
> Vic
> never really left just been lurking...
>
> -
>
> Welcome back, Vic.
>
> Two ways to evade the email deluge are to participate through Doug's
> Archive, which is very timely but hard to use, or through
> Mail-Archive.com, which is easy to use but less timely.
>
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Back on -can't resist

[Joseph Tainter]

I keep logging off this list because I can't deal with all the emails
but i always come back because I can't live without the PDML
Vic
never really left just been lurking...

-

Welcome back, Vic.

Two ways to evade the email deluge are to participate through Doug's 
Archive, which is very timely but hard to use, or through 
Mail-Archive.com, which is easy to use but less timely.

Joe

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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Vic MacBournie]

Oh I get it. I'm shooting my old lenses on my new digital camera. I get 
it perfectly.
On 8-Oct-06, at 8:05 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Wrong, you simply do not understand the situation. Its a
> Totally different story. Canon went to a new mount for TECHNICAL
> IMPROVEMENTS. Pentax has not gone to a new mount at all for any
> technical
> Gain. Its pure LOSS. No progress. Get it? We didn't give up something
> To get something in exchange, we just lost features of damn nice lenses
> For ZERO technical reason or improvement.
> JCO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Vic MacBournie
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:50 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>
> JCO: In the ideal world I could still buy parts for my beloved Datsun
> 240Z but hey, times change. If Pentax put out a camera that worked with
> our old lenses they would never sell their new lenses. That would make
> you and I happy but only for a year or two. When Pentax announced it
> went out of business because nobody was buying their lenses neither you
> nor I would be very happy - Think Minolta users. Life's a compromise
> and I think you and I did a lot better than those Canon users who had
> to trade in those gorgeous F1s for an EOS and $50,000 worth of new
> lenses...
> Vic
> On 8-Oct-06, at 7:37 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> Not sure what you mean by "leaving behind 30 yr old technology"?
>> They are not moving forward, they are moving backward if
>> Lenses are LOSING key features they have already had for
>> 30 years. This isnt a case where progress necessitated
>> this, like a new mount, this is a case of plain out abandonment
>> of millions of PENTAX brand K lenses features. Would you buy a film
>> body without these longtime features? I wouldn't.
>> jco
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
>> Vic MacBournie
>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:28 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>>
>> I kind of enjoy JCO's arguments... I like to see the different angles
>> he takes to respond to the various posts. I think he's just trying to
>> make a point that he's not happy with the way pentax has moved forward
>> leaving behind 30-year-old technology die-hards like him and I to cry
>> in our beer about the good old days when little steel things protruded
>> from the lenses. i agree wholeheartedly with him but have chosen to
>> enjoy what compatibility that is still left. Every time I think about
>> selling my old lenses I put them on my ist D and that ends that
>> idea I like to think of all my old lenses like limited lenses.
> When
>> I pack my bag full of Ks and Ms and As it's like having a whole camera
>> bag of limited lenses without the autofocus LOL
>> Vic
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8-Oct-06, at 7:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>>> Hello David,
>>>
>>> Add a filter to your email application to just put JCO's ranting in
>>> the trash automatically. I turn on that filter every time he starts
>>> in on this nonsense. As John Forbes said, it happens about every six
>>> months.
>>>
>>> Others have answered the question, but here's the scoop:
>>>
>>> To use pre-A series M/K-mount lenses, or any A series or later lens
>>> with the lens taken off the A setting, you
>>>
>>> 0) Set the custom function to "Using Aperture Ring - Permitted"
>>>
>>> This tells the camera to operate the aperture mechanism in K mount
>>> mode when the camera mode selector is set to Manual. Since the camera
>>> does not have the mechanical aperture simulator, when you fit a lens
>>> as above you
>>>
>>> 1) set the mode selector to Manual
>>> 2) set the aperture you want to use with the lens' aperture ring
>>> 3) be sure the meter is activated (a half press on the shutter button
>>> activates the meter circuitry)
>>> 4) press the green button /AE-Lock button
>>>
>>> The camera will stop down the lens briefly, take a reading, and set
>>> the appropriate shutter speed. This is not auto exposure, to my way
>>> of thinking, but semi-automatic exposure operation. It is simple and
>>> fluid in use, although I'm the first to say that I don't like mixing
>>> post-A and pre-A series lenses much because having to switch modes on
>>> the camera and modes of thought in use can lead to errors.
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure we'll never see another Pentax with the mechanical
>>> aperture simulator, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that count. Don't
>>> hold your breath for it. ;-)
>>>
>>> Godfrey
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:44 PM, David Bliss wrote:
>>>
 I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything,
 does
 dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
 since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A
 lenses,
 I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens
 aperture ring,
 with a n

Re:Harvest Moon

[Shel Belinkoff]

Now that's a pretty cool photo, right along the lines of what was being
discussed.  The high tech silhouette - it really compliments the moon

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Walter Hamler


> Shel, your comments on "Moon Shots" were right on as far as I am
concerned. 
> I am an avid amateur astronomer, and often "shoot the Moon", and I
managed 
> to get one nice one many years ago while showing a friend my telescope.
With 
> my OM-1 attached it was a rather large 1580mm f/7.8 telephoto with a 200 
> pound mount.
> The foreground objects are cine theolodite tracking camera housings and a 
> large antenna on top of Laguna Peak, CA, where the U.S. Navy maintains a 
> sattelite tracking facility.
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/MoonoverLagunaPeak.jpg 



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Re: PESO: Duck!

[P. J. Alling]

Yep they're ducks...

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5051185&size=lg
>
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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION

[David Bliss]

On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 04:54:31PM -0500, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Actually, you get matrix metering with A lenses even if using the 
> aperture ring (And pre-A lenses can be modified to support matrix metering)

Adam,

Could you elaborate on this? Is it just a matter of machining the appropriate
contacts into the lens to program the aperture range (I have a chart of these
values somewhere) and leaving the * contact connected to show non-auto-
aperture?

This would be pretty useful to me if so.

Thanks!
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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Only if they don't understand my point fully & correctly. :)
JCO

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I'm not particularly emotional, I do fail to understand why others,  
seem to see this as a plus.  It clearly isn't and it's hard to 
understand the attitude.  Some people are nuts about it however, JCO 
even attacks people who support his argument on occasion.

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>There are at least three people who get emotional about this. The  
>rest of us don't give a damn.
>Paul
>On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Just because we're relatively quite about it doesn't mean that were
>>happy about it not being there.  Especially since it seems to be a
>>purely marketing decision.
>>
>>John Forbes wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:58:38 +0100, J. C. O'Connell  
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I want the feature very much and I am
Sure there are millions of lens owners that do to.




>>>Really?
>>>
>>>Rubbish!
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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>>
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Re: PESO -- Half a web...

[Jack Davis]

I gave it a few moments to affect me andnothing. Delicate web
structure doesn't connect with the color chaos and neither a feeling
nor a theme reveal them self to me.

Jack

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> I'm not sure if I like this shot, I'm not sure why I'm posting it,
> I'm 
> not sure what anyones reaction will be...
> 
> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_halfaweb.html
> 
> Technical Data:
> Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 200 @ 1/100sec (M)
> smc Pentax M 120mm f2.8 @ f8.0
> 
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Re: PESO - spider from the window

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice shot. Ugly spider:-)
Paul
On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:11 PM, Mat Maessen wrote:

> On 10/8/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Where is the URL? Why delete it immediately?
>> Paul
>
> Oops.
> http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/testscans/IMGP0281- 
> cropped.jpg.html
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> -Mat
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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[P. J. Alling]

I'm not particularly emotional, I do fail to understand why others,  
seem to see this as a plus.  It clearly isn't and it's hard to 
understand the attitude.  Some people are nuts about it however, JCO 
even attacks people who support his argument on occasion.

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>There are at least three people who get emotional about this. The  
>rest of us don't give a damn.
>Paul
>On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Just because we're relatively quite about it doesn't mean that were
>>happy about it not being there.  Especially since it seems to be a
>>purely marketing decision.
>>
>>John Forbes wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:58:38 +0100, J. C. O'Connell  
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I want the feature very much and I am
Sure there are millions of lens owners that do to.




>>>Really?
>>>
>>>Rubbish!
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: PESO: Harvest Moon

[Shel Belinkoff]

Bob, I'm sorry you feel that way.  However, if you were to read further in
the thread, John agreed with me, and he even wondered why he bothered to
put up the pic.

As for me, a good, straight criticism, well thought out, is worth far more 
than a gratuitous pat on the back, or a comment that has no substance.  We
all need "atta boys," but not to the extent that it supports mediocrity.

We are here to learn, and to stretch our vision and our skills.  How can
anyone do that without honest comments from the others on the list,
comments that aren't always complimentary.  Of course, those comments are
only opinions, but they are also ideas that may get others thinking about
their next shot.

In addition, I made it clear that, had I the gear, I'd have probably made
the same shot, because that type of shot is where many people start with
the subject.  But, once mastered, it would seem appropriate to move on,
stretch one's self, better learn the capability of the equipment, look for
something more.

I feel my comments were quite constructive.  They even caused one or two
people to come out of lurk mode and post moon shots that addressed, in some
way, exactly what I was complaining about.  And others agreed with my
assessment.  I think you and I are going to have to disagree because, it
seems, we're quite far apart on this one.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan 

> Shel,
>
> What a stuck-up bunch of elitists we must look like.  Put a picture up
> and we'll tell you where your are failing.  Is that why we have
> PESO's?  So we can frighten people off?  What lurker is gonna put
> something out in this friendly forum?
>
> I know you know John personally and perhaps he feels comfortable with
> your critique.  Funny, but I would of thought he wouldn't have
> bothered to post the picture if he thought it was so common that it
> would be immediately panned.
>
> This is what I imagine the Leica list is like.  Post your picture and
> we will tell you why it isn't good enough.  Wow, I wish we were the
> old Pentax list where folks tried to give constructive criticism and
> friendly advice.  I don't feel that spirit in your comments.
>
> Regards, Bob S.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My experience in photographing the moon is very limited, but it would
seem
> > that your statement is rather broad.  Depending on the lens used, ISO,
and
> > the distance between horizon or skylines and the camera, I'd think that
> > there might be plenty of opportunities to have both the moon and the
other
> > elements in focus.  In fact, I'm sure I've seen some ;-))
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Paul Stenquist <
> >
> > >  However, I agree that some foreground elements can make such a
> > > shot more interesting. That usually works best as a composite, as
> > > illustrated by Jack. Otherwise, you can't get enough DOF at a
> > > reasonable ISO.



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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[John Francis]

Not really - the necessary information isn't being presented
to the body.

On the "A" lenses, the "A" signal pin doesn't mechanically
make contact with the body unless the aperture ring is in
the "A" position.  On the later lenses (F & FA) the pin is
always in contact, but it is electrically isolated unless
the aperture ring is in the "A" position.

If the body doesn't see the right signal on the "A" pin
it doesn't even attempt to read anything from the other
signal pins.


On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 08:20:09PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
> 
> I just checked and you are correct, at least with the K100D. It is odd 
> however, as the necessary info is present.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> John Francis wrote:
> > I don't believe that's correct.
> > When you turn an "A" lens off the "A" position, you lose
> > multi-segment metering (not Matrix Metering, which is a
> > trademark owned by a different camera company :-).
> > I think that's also true of the F or FA lenses, but must
> > admit that I haven't checked.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 05:05:20PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
> >> You can use the aperture ring with A, F and FA glass, just with almost 
> >> all the limitations of K glass (You keep Matrix Metering, but lose AE 
> >> and have to stop-down meter).
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> >>
> >> David Bliss wrote:
> >>> Tim,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it.  :)  I feel bad for having set 
> >>> off
> >>> a landmine of ranting without knowing it...
> >>>
> >>> I'm disappointed that the K10D hasn't readded the aperture linkage, but
> >>> I suppose I can tranfer my hopes to the K1D for a while anyway.
> >>>
> >>> I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything, does
> >>> dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
> >>> since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A lenses,
> >>> I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens aperture ring,
> >>> with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly knob on
> >>> the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use the
> >>> lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of my old
> >>> Sony cameras (and most non-pro video cameras).
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> david
> >>>
> >>> PS: Apologies in advance if you get a  duplicate copy of this message; my 
> >>> MUA
> >>> is acting up.
> >>>
>  David? David? Still there ;-)
> 
>  I have already welcomed you once. But as this thread turned out I think 
>  it
>  is appropriate to welcome you to this world of lunatics one more time. 
>  It is
>  a soap opera, with live characters, and it is free. 
> 
>  As you can see, asking a simple question here can be a rather mixed
>  experience. But within the shouting, you may find an answer to your
>  question.
> 
> 
> 
>  Tim
>  Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
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Re: PESO: Harvest Moon

[Bruce Dayton]

Much nicer than any moon pic I have ever shot.

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Saturday, October 7, 2006, 9:49:32 PM, you wrote:

JC> Nothing overly awesome, just a shot of last night's big harvest moon.

JC> http://www.neovenator.com/special/2006_harvest_moon.html

JC> Technical mumbojumbo:
JC> *istD
JC> ISO 200
JC> K500mm f4.5, probably somewhere in the f8-16 range.
JC> 1/320 sec

JC> I used the same lens to shoot the Blue Angels today, and may bring it to
JC> tomorrow's 49ers/Raiders game.  Yay for big glass!

JC> John Celio

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JC> AIM: Neopifex

JC> "Hey, I'm an artist.  I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a
JC> statement."






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Re: PESO - spider from the window

[Mat Maessen]

On 10/8/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where is the URL? Why delete it immediately?
> Paul

Oops.
http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/testscans/IMGP0281-cropped.jpg.html

-Mat

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RE: PESO -- Half a web...

[Walter Hamler]

I love spider webs, to photograph! Especially when backlit and dew laden. If 
you had spritzed some water on it from a mister bottle it would have been 
great!

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Re: GESO - Breaking Waves

[Mat Maessen]

On 10/8/06, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594316648589/
> Sorry 'bout the blue cast, though ...

>From what I remember of the North Sea, the colors look about right.
That water looks cold.

Very well done, and the slide show works VERY well with the photos.
The even horizon and framing makes it just right.

-Mat

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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[David Savage]

John, it's good to see you've learnt some tact since the last time this 
subject came up.

Dave

At 08:05 AM 9/10/2006, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>Wrong, you simply do not understand the situation.


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PESO -- Half a web...

[P. J. Alling]

I'm not sure if I like this shot, I'm not sure why I'm posting it, I'm 
not sure what anyones reaction will be...

http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_halfaweb.html

Technical Data:
Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 200 @ 1/100sec (M)
smc Pentax M 120mm f2.8 @ f8.0

As usual comments are welcome but may be completely ignored.

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PESO: Duck!

[Walter Hamler]

AFLAAK!!

Walt

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Re: PESO - spider from the window

[Paul Stenquist]

Where is the URL? Why delete it immediately?
Paul
On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Mat Maessen wrote:

> On 10/8/06, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider.   
>> Not
>> too bad with the circumstances.  Handholding with that a short of DOF
>> is quite difficult.
>> Nice work.
>
> Thank you Bruce. I was wishing that I hadn't had the second cup of
> coffee. It took me a few tries to get the focus right and not shake
> too much.
>
> The original shot was quite a bit more web and less spider, but I
> think it looks much better cropped.
>
> -Mat
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PESO: Duck!

[Paul Stenquist]

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5051185&size=lg

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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Paul Stenquist]

There are at least three people who get emotional about this. The  
rest of us don't give a damn.
Paul
On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:42 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> Just because we're relatively quite about it doesn't mean that were
> happy about it not being there.  Especially since it seems to be a
> purely marketing decision.
>
> John Forbes wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:58:38 +0100, J. C. O'Connell  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I want the feature very much and I am
>>> Sure there are millions of lens owners that do to.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> Rubbish!
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2

[David Savage]

I haven't used it much but it's handy for certain scenes.

The shot at the bottom of this page is a composite made using the HDR function.



Basically I bracketed exposure to try and retain some detail in the 
highlights at the top of the tower, as well as in the darkest parts. I made 
it from 3 shots (I had 10 in the sequence, ie 10 stop range) but I 
preferred this one..

All you need is a tripod, a reasonably static subject and your good to go.

Dave

At 07:14 AM 9/10/2006, Kenneth Waller wrote:
>Any one on the list have any experience with this feature in PS CS2?
>Care to share your experiences - good/bad, suggestions.
>
>I'm going to try some of this in the coming week on images I intend to
>capture this week in the U. P. of Michigan.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Kenneth Waller
>(I don't consider this OT since I'll be using Pentax Equipment) ;+}


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Re: PESO - spider from the window

[Mat Maessen]

On 10/8/06, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider.  Not
> too bad with the circumstances.  Handholding with that a short of DOF
> is quite difficult.
> Nice work.

Thank you Bruce. I was wishing that I hadn't had the second cup of
coffee. It took me a few tries to get the focus right and not shake
too much.

The original shot was quite a bit more web and less spider, but I
think it looks much better cropped.

-Mat

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RE: PESO: Winter Warmth

[Walter Hamler]

Tim, I am not a philosophical sort of photographer. I shoot for lots of 
reasons, mostly just for fun and relaxation. This shot was actually in San 
Francisco, and I suspect that the "gent" was possibly a "street person", but 
no strong feelings there either. I do remember that it was late afternoon, 
and as SFO tends to be, quite cool and getting more so by the minute. ( I 
suspect you are more in tune with "cold" than most of us in the US :>) )
He just looked like he was trying to gather those last rays of warmth before 
going elsewhere. At least I like to hope he had an elsewhere to go to!

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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[P. J. Alling]

Just because we're relatively quite about it doesn't mean that were 
happy about it not being there.  Especially since it seems to be a 
purely marketing decision.

John Forbes wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:58:38 +0100, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I want the feature very much and I am
>>Sure there are millions of lens owners that do to.
>>
>>
>
>Really?
>
>Rubbish!
>
>John
>
>  
>


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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Adam Maas]

I just checked and you are correct, at least with the K100D. It is odd 
however, as the necessary info is present.

-Adam

John Francis wrote:
> I don't believe that's correct.
> When you turn an "A" lens off the "A" position, you lose
> multi-segment metering (not Matrix Metering, which is a
> trademark owned by a different camera company :-).
> I think that's also true of the F or FA lenses, but must
> admit that I haven't checked.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 05:05:20PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
>> You can use the aperture ring with A, F and FA glass, just with almost 
>> all the limitations of K glass (You keep Matrix Metering, but lose AE 
>> and have to stop-down meter).
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> David Bliss wrote:
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it.  :)  I feel bad for having set off
>>> a landmine of ranting without knowing it...
>>>
>>> I'm disappointed that the K10D hasn't readded the aperture linkage, but
>>> I suppose I can tranfer my hopes to the K1D for a while anyway.
>>>
>>> I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything, does
>>> dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
>>> since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A lenses,
>>> I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens aperture ring,
>>> with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly knob on
>>> the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use the
>>> lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of my old
>>> Sony cameras (and most non-pro video cameras).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> david
>>>
>>> PS: Apologies in advance if you get a  duplicate copy of this message; my 
>>> MUA
>>> is acting up.
>>>
 David? David? Still there ;-)

 I have already welcomed you once. But as this thread turned out I think it
 is appropriate to welcome you to this world of lunatics one more time. It 
 is
 a soap opera, with live characters, and it is free. 

 As you can see, asking a simple question here can be a rather mixed
 experience. But within the shouting, you may find an answer to your
 question.



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 Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
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RE: PESO: Winter Warmth

[Tim Øsleby]

It is very well done, but I don't quite know how to react. 

The character has a closed pose. The picture itself makes me sad, and the
title suggest differently (to me, with my limited English skills). 

What I am saying is that I don't get your intentions. This said, the picture
moves me, that's a good thing ;-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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Subject: PESO: Winter Warmth

Shot a few years ago. Origonal was a Kodachrome but I always wanted to print

a B&W. My old scanner got dusted off and surprisingly it works wonders in 
Windows XP.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/WinterWarmthBW.jpg 


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Re: PESO: Harvest Moon

[Paul Stenquist]

On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


>
> This is what I imagine the Leica list is like.  Post your picture and
> we will tell you why it isn't good enough.

In truth, the Leica list on Photo.net is extremely tolerant of very  
bad photography. In fact, most of the work posted is nothing more  
than snap shots. Leica owners are largely fondlers, who occasionally  
tak pictures of their relatives.
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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

I forgot to mention, the other reason why K/M population clearly
Outnumber A series and later is that SLRS in general
Peaked in the late '70s and Pentax was a top seller
At that time with K/M lenses. SLRS were mainstream. Later by 1983
When "A" came out, the entire market for SLR had 
Already fallen as mainstream camera market went to P&S.
So what happened to pentax production was two-fold
Decline, thay lost market share to Canon and the
Entire SLR market went down. Hence far less A
And later lenses than K/M produced.
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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Paul Stenquist]

Unless you're missing your exposures, why would it be inconsistent?
Paul
On Oct 8, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 09/10/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> But you're a digital newbie. Give it time. It's no big deal. If you
>> can shoot with a Barnack Leica or a Spotmatic, the green button
>> "kludge" is no big deal.
>
> Still doesn't work for me after three years and tens of thousands of
> exposure, I just hate the inconsistency.
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Re: PESO: Harvest Moon

[Bob Sullivan]

Shel,

What a stuck-up bunch of elitists we must look like.  Put a picture up
and we'll tell you where your are failing.  Is that why we have
PESO's?  So we can frighten people off?  What lurker is gonna put
something out in this friendly forum?

I know you know John personally and perhaps he feels comfortable with
your critique.  Funny, but I would of thought he wouldn't have
bothered to post the picture if he thought it was so common that it
would be immediately panned.

This is what I imagine the Leica list is like.  Post your picture and
we will tell you why it isn't good enough.  Wow, I wish we were the
old Pentax list where folks tried to give constructive criticism and
friendly advice.  I don't feel that spirit in your comments.

Regards, Bob S.



On 10/8/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My experience in photographing the moon is very limited, but it would seem
> that your statement is rather broad.  Depending on the lens used, ISO, and
> the distance between horizon or skylines and the camera, I'd think that
> there might be plenty of opportunities to have both the moon and the other
> elements in focus.  In fact, I'm sure I've seen some ;-))
>
> Shel
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Paul Stenquist <
>
> >  However, I agree that some foreground elements can make such a
> > shot more interesting. That usually works best as a composite, as
> > illustrated by Jack. Otherwise, you can't get enough DOF at a
> > reasonable ISO.
>
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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[John Francis]

I don't believe that's correct.
When you turn an "A" lens off the "A" position, you lose
multi-segment metering (not Matrix Metering, which is a
trademark owned by a different camera company :-).
I think that's also true of the F or FA lenses, but must
admit that I haven't checked.


On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 05:05:20PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
> You can use the aperture ring with A, F and FA glass, just with almost 
> all the limitations of K glass (You keep Matrix Metering, but lose AE 
> and have to stop-down meter).
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> David Bliss wrote:
> > Tim,
> > 
> > Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it.  :)  I feel bad for having set off
> > a landmine of ranting without knowing it...
> > 
> > I'm disappointed that the K10D hasn't readded the aperture linkage, but
> > I suppose I can tranfer my hopes to the K1D for a while anyway.
> > 
> > I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything, does
> > dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
> > since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A lenses,
> > I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens aperture ring,
> > with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly knob on
> > the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use the
> > lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of my old
> > Sony cameras (and most non-pro video cameras).
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > david
> > 
> > PS: Apologies in advance if you get a  duplicate copy of this message; my 
> > MUA
> > is acting up.
> > 
> >> David? David? Still there ;-)
> >>
> >> I have already welcomed you once. But as this thread turned out I think it
> >> is appropriate to welcome you to this world of lunatics one more time. It 
> >> is
> >> a soap opera, with live characters, and it is free. 
> >>
> >> As you can see, asking a simple question here can be a rather mixed
> >> experience. But within the shouting, you may find an answer to your
> >> question.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim
> >> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
> > 
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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Wrong, you simply do not understand the situation. Its a
Totally different story. Canon went to a new mount for TECHNICAL
IMPROVEMENTS. Pentax has not gone to a new mount at all for any
technical
Gain. Its pure LOSS. No progress. Get it? We didn't give up something
To get something in exchange, we just lost features of damn nice lenses
For ZERO technical reason or improvement.
JCO

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JCO: In the ideal world I could still buy parts for my beloved Datsun 
240Z but hey, times change. If Pentax put out a camera that worked with 
our old lenses they would never sell their new lenses. That would make 
you and I happy but only for a year or two. When Pentax announced it 
went out of business because nobody was buying their lenses neither you 
nor I would be very happy - Think Minolta users. Life's a compromise 
and I think you and I did a lot better than those Canon users who had 
to trade in those gorgeous F1s for an EOS and $50,000 worth of new 
lenses...
Vic
On 8-Oct-06, at 7:37 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Not sure what you mean by "leaving behind 30 yr old technology"?
> They are not moving forward, they are moving backward if
> Lenses are LOSING key features they have already had for
> 30 years. This isnt a case where progress necessitated
> this, like a new mount, this is a case of plain out abandonment
> of millions of PENTAX brand K lenses features. Would you buy a film
> body without these longtime features? I wouldn't.
> jco
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Vic MacBournie
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:28 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>
> I kind of enjoy JCO's arguments... I like to see the different angles
> he takes to respond to the various posts. I think he's just trying to
> make a point that he's not happy with the way pentax has moved forward
> leaving behind 30-year-old technology die-hards like him and I to cry
> in our beer about the good old days when little steel things protruded
> from the lenses. i agree wholeheartedly with him but have chosen to
> enjoy what compatibility that is still left. Every time I think about
> selling my old lenses I put them on my ist D and that ends that
> idea I like to think of all my old lenses like limited lenses.
When
> I pack my bag full of Ks and Ms and As it's like having a whole camera
> bag of limited lenses without the autofocus LOL
> Vic
>
>
>
> On 8-Oct-06, at 7:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> Hello David,
>>
>> Add a filter to your email application to just put JCO's ranting in
>> the trash automatically. I turn on that filter every time he starts
>> in on this nonsense. As John Forbes said, it happens about every six
>> months.
>>
>> Others have answered the question, but here's the scoop:
>>
>> To use pre-A series M/K-mount lenses, or any A series or later lens
>> with the lens taken off the A setting, you
>>
>> 0) Set the custom function to "Using Aperture Ring - Permitted"
>>
>> This tells the camera to operate the aperture mechanism in K mount
>> mode when the camera mode selector is set to Manual. Since the camera
>> does not have the mechanical aperture simulator, when you fit a lens
>> as above you
>>
>> 1) set the mode selector to Manual
>> 2) set the aperture you want to use with the lens' aperture ring
>> 3) be sure the meter is activated (a half press on the shutter button
>> activates the meter circuitry)
>> 4) press the green button /AE-Lock button
>>
>> The camera will stop down the lens briefly, take a reading, and set
>> the appropriate shutter speed. This is not auto exposure, to my way
>> of thinking, but semi-automatic exposure operation. It is simple and
>> fluid in use, although I'm the first to say that I don't like mixing
>> post-A and pre-A series lenses much because having to switch modes on
>> the camera and modes of thought in use can lead to errors.
>>
>> I am pretty sure we'll never see another Pentax with the mechanical
>> aperture simulator, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that count. Don't
>> hold your breath for it. ;-)
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:44 PM, David Bliss wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything,
>>> does
>>> dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
>>> since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A
>>> lenses,
>>> I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens
>>> aperture ring,
>>> with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly
>>> knob on
>>> the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use
> the
>>> lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of
>>> my old
>>> Sony cameras (and most non-pro vi

RE: Back on -can't resist

[J. C. O'Connell]

Canon was different matter, see my previous post.
JCO

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Back on -can't resist

Love to sit a finish this discussion but i have to go and watch a movie 
with the family. I will say however, that Canon owners have no green 
button. I bet they would love to have one, even if it's not perfect...
Vic
On 8-Oct-06, at 7:50 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Great Point, with true AE there is zero chance for
> Human error like forgetting to update the GB because
> Its like the GB is being done for you continously.
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Vic MacBournie
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:41 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Back on -can't resist
>
> hi Shell I have the K24 (don't use it much but i like it) the k35f2
and
> i used to have the 120. I really have not had any trouble with the K,M
> or A lenses on digital... Once in a while I forget to hit the green
> button but it's no big deal
> I will say that i recently got a 300 F4.5 and the results with that
> lens are outstanding... I shoot my daughter's ice skating team in
> rather dark arenas ad that baby focuses perfectly.
> i have the Tokina ATX 80-200 f2.8 which I thought would be a great
> lens. it is a very sharp lens but it has a little trouble keeping up
> with the focus at the rink. It is almost unusable in a low light with
> fast action scenario. Still a nice lens though
> Vic
> On 8-Oct-06, at 7:27 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>> The K24/2.8, K35/2.0, K120/2.8, and the K135/2.5 have delivered very
>> good
>> results on the istDS.  I'm still exploring other possibilities
>>
>> Shel
>>
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Walter Hamler
>>
>>> I love my 50 /1.4, 135 /3.5, 200 /4, and 350 /5.5 on my istDL
>>
>>
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Re: PESO - spider from the window

[Bruce Dayton]

Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider.  Not
too bad with the circumstances.  Handholding with that a short of DOF
is quite difficult.

Nice work.

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Saturday, October 7, 2006, 9:25:55 AM, you wrote:

MM> Last weekend, I pulled the air conditioner out of my living room
MM> window. Within 2 hours of doing so, this little guy had spun a web in
MM> its place.

MM> http://www.matoe.org/gallery2/v/tomatoe/testscans/IMGP0281-cropped.jpg.html

MM> No idea what kind of spider it is. Not having a real macro lens, I
MM> shot him/her with my A35-105/3.5 at its closest focus, and cropped the
MM> image in photoshop. Shot handheld, wide open.

MM> I think I need to put a real macro lens on the to-purchase list. That,
MM> and a better tripod...

MM> -Mat




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Re: Back on -can't resist

[Vic MacBournie]

Love to sit a finish this discussion but i have to go and watch a movie 
with the family. I will say however, that Canon owners have no green 
button. I bet they would love to have one, even if it's not perfect...
Vic
On 8-Oct-06, at 7:50 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Great Point, with true AE there is zero chance for
> Human error like forgetting to update the GB because
> Its like the GB is being done for you continously.
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Vic MacBournie
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:41 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Back on -can't resist
>
> hi Shell I have the K24 (don't use it much but i like it) the k35f2 and
> i used to have the 120. I really have not had any trouble with the K,M
> or A lenses on digital... Once in a while I forget to hit the green
> button but it's no big deal
> I will say that i recently got a 300 F4.5 and the results with that
> lens are outstanding... I shoot my daughter's ice skating team in
> rather dark arenas ad that baby focuses perfectly.
> i have the Tokina ATX 80-200 f2.8 which I thought would be a great
> lens. it is a very sharp lens but it has a little trouble keeping up
> with the focus at the rink. It is almost unusable in a low light with
> fast action scenario. Still a nice lens though
> Vic
> On 8-Oct-06, at 7:27 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>> The K24/2.8, K35/2.0, K120/2.8, and the K135/2.5 have delivered very
>> good
>> results on the istDS.  I'm still exploring other possibilities
>>
>> Shel
>>
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Walter Hamler
>>
>>> I love my 50 /1.4, 135 /3.5, 200 /4, and 350 /5.5 on my istDL
>>
>>
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Re: PESO - The Line Forms to the Right

[Bruce Dayton]

Nice shot - gives a good sense of place.  Your description has peaked
my interest - I want to go there and get a sandwich now.  Maybe on one
of my trips to the city and I can swing by.  Any idea on their hours?
I'd most likely be swinging by early evening, if they are open.

Thanks for sharing.

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Saturday, October 7, 2006, 8:35:13 AM, you wrote:

SB> Zarri's Delicatessen has been an institution in the little community of
SB> Albany for 35 years. A family operation (the patriarch, Joe Zarri, usually
SB> called Mr. by his customers, still works in the store and recently turned
SB> 85 years old), they serve good food at reasonable prices (you can still get
SB> a sandwich for $3.00, and their imported Italian pasta can be had for only
SB> 89-cents for a package), and have a broad selection of olive oil, pasta
SB> sauces, a nice, but simple selection of cheese, and a fine selection of
SB> sandwich meats, as well as some old fashioned Italian favorites like salt
SB> cod.  However, their biggest business is their sandwich trade - they sell
SB> between 600 and 1100 sandwiches a day depending on the day and the time of
SB> year.

SB> I visit Zarri's at least once a week for a lunch sandwich, or to sometimes
SB> pick up a favorite olive oil or some pasta.

SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/lineformstoright.html

SB> This was one of the first pics I took  with the K18/3.5 on the istDS.

SB> Shel







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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

FWIW, I follow ALL pentax lenses on ebay and prices
are up about 15%-20% on ALL of them from a year ago, Screwmounts,
K, M, A, and the AF series. These are/were all good lenses
and demand is still strong.
jco

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:26 PM
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Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

WRONG - "A" lenses are extremely difficult to find
Compared to K/M. Sure thare are SOME rare K/M,
But there are nearly all rare A and later on used
Market. I should state that the "K" series are
Somewhat rare being only made for 2 years on most
Models but the "M" series should stand for MASSIVE
Quantities made and sold. Don’t forget that all pentax
Made was K and M for 9 years and those were their
Best years. By the time "A" came out Canon was
Kicking their ass in popularity.
JCO

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:31 PM
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Ok, try finding a K 85. Sure, there are a lot of K/M lenses out there, 
but the A and later lenses are at least as common as the non-50mm 
Pentax-branded K's today. A lot of K lenses (especially anything other 
than 28, 35, 50 or 135's) are quite rare, like the 85. Many of the A 
lenses (including the 50mm f2) were in production far longer than the 
equivalent K/M lenses.

-Adam


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Total Bullshit, Like I said in my earlier posts,
> Pentax was on top of the world in the K/M era
> In popularity. There are more K/M lenses in existance
> Than ALL THE OTHER SERIES COMBINED. Just try ebay.
> You have it ass backwards, finding lenses "A" or
> Later is much harder than K/M series, ebay or elsewhere.
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Adam Maas
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:53 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
> 
> Nothing wrong with them, I'm fond of mine. But the monstrous amount of

> them floating around does not a market make. Other pre-A glass is 
> significantly more rare.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>> And whats wrong with 50mm F2's? :)
>> Seriuosly, pentax made a lot of 
>> Really nice K and M lenses and they
>> For the most part are holding up
>> Excellently due to the great build quality.
>> To not fully support these millions of
>> Excellent PENTAX Lenses is really shameful...
>> jco
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
>> Adam Maas
>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:55 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>>
>> Of course, 50% of those lenses you refer to are 50mm f2's sitting in
a
> 
>> shoebox with a K1000 somewhere.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>> Oh Screw You. You don’t have a clue if you think that legacy
>>> Lens support is only a minor issue. And like an
>>> Idiot it's NOT the age of the lenses it's WHAT
>>> The PK/PKM lenses are, which are superb MANUAL
>>> Focus lenses which are not even available new
>>> Anymore so there is great reason to support them.
>>> AGE IS IRRELAVANT. There are MORE PK/PKM lenses
>>> In existence than all other lens series combined so
>>> MOST Pentax BRAND lenses are not fully supported. That’s
>>> Not good by any standardsThis is a Pentax support
>>> Issue, not a compatability issue which really sucks
>>> IMHO. If yours differs, so be it, but you cannot
>>> Prove your points by calling me an idiot, it just
>>> Makes you look like an idiot in doing so..
>>> Jco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of
>>> John Forbes
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:21 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>>>
>>> Don't apologise to JC O'Connell.
>>>
>>> He is a boring little nitwit who comes onto the list every six
months
>> or
>>> so to wind himself into a frenzy over the lack of full support for
>> very
>>> old lenses.
>>>
>>> After abusing anyone who disagrees with him (sample: "Gimme a
friggin
>>> break with your "you don?t own a pentax (sic) DSLR So (sic) you
don?t
>>> know  
>>> what youre (sic) talking about" B.S.").
>>>
>>> Eventually, after about a dozen posts, this one-issue idiot has an  
>>> apoplectic fit, and shuts up for another six months while he
> recovers.
>>> Then the cycle starts all over again.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:49:13 +0100, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
 I know that now.
> From now on I will look for limitations in my equipment.
 JCO.
 Sorry about my sarcastic reply. The compatibility could have been
>>> solved
 better, I agree on that.
 But I prefer looking forward, looking for 

RE: Back on -can't resist

[J. C. O'Connell]

Great Point, with true AE there is zero chance for
Human error like forgetting to update the GB because
Its like the GB is being done for you continously.
jco

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:41 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Back on -can't resist

hi Shell I have the K24 (don't use it much but i like it) the k35f2 and 
i used to have the 120. I really have not had any trouble with the K,M 
or A lenses on digital... Once in a while I forget to hit the green 
button but it's no big deal
I will say that i recently got a 300 F4.5 and the results with that 
lens are outstanding... I shoot my daughter's ice skating team in 
rather dark arenas ad that baby focuses perfectly.
i have the Tokina ATX 80-200 f2.8 which I thought would be a great 
lens. it is a very sharp lens but it has a little trouble keeping up 
with the focus at the rink. It is almost unusable in a low light with 
fast action scenario. Still a nice lens though
Vic
On 8-Oct-06, at 7:27 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> The K24/2.8, K35/2.0, K120/2.8, and the K135/2.5 have delivered very 
> good
> results on the istDS.  I'm still exploring other possibilities
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Walter Hamler
>
>> I love my 50 /1.4, 135 /3.5, 200 /4, and 350 /5.5 on my istDL
>
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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Vic MacBournie]

JCO: In the ideal world I could still buy parts for my beloved Datsun 
240Z but hey, times change. If Pentax put out a camera that worked with 
our old lenses they would never sell their new lenses. That would make 
you and I happy but only for a year or two. When Pentax announced it 
went out of business because nobody was buying their lenses neither you 
nor I would be very happy - Think Minolta users. Life's a compromise 
and I think you and I did a lot better than those Canon users who had 
to trade in those gorgeous F1s for an EOS and $50,000 worth of new 
lenses...
Vic
On 8-Oct-06, at 7:37 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Not sure what you mean by "leaving behind 30 yr old technology"?
> They are not moving forward, they are moving backward if
> Lenses are LOSING key features they have already had for
> 30 years. This isnt a case where progress necessitated
> this, like a new mount, this is a case of plain out abandonment
> of millions of PENTAX brand K lenses features. Would you buy a film
> body without these longtime features? I wouldn't.
> jco
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Vic MacBournie
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:28 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>
> I kind of enjoy JCO's arguments... I like to see the different angles
> he takes to respond to the various posts. I think he's just trying to
> make a point that he's not happy with the way pentax has moved forward
> leaving behind 30-year-old technology die-hards like him and I to cry
> in our beer about the good old days when little steel things protruded
> from the lenses. i agree wholeheartedly with him but have chosen to
> enjoy what compatibility that is still left. Every time I think about
> selling my old lenses I put them on my ist D and that ends that
> idea I like to think of all my old lenses like limited lenses. When
> I pack my bag full of Ks and Ms and As it's like having a whole camera
> bag of limited lenses without the autofocus LOL
> Vic
>
>
>
> On 8-Oct-06, at 7:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> Hello David,
>>
>> Add a filter to your email application to just put JCO's ranting in
>> the trash automatically. I turn on that filter every time he starts
>> in on this nonsense. As John Forbes said, it happens about every six
>> months.
>>
>> Others have answered the question, but here's the scoop:
>>
>> To use pre-A series M/K-mount lenses, or any A series or later lens
>> with the lens taken off the A setting, you
>>
>> 0) Set the custom function to "Using Aperture Ring - Permitted"
>>
>> This tells the camera to operate the aperture mechanism in K mount
>> mode when the camera mode selector is set to Manual. Since the camera
>> does not have the mechanical aperture simulator, when you fit a lens
>> as above you
>>
>> 1) set the mode selector to Manual
>> 2) set the aperture you want to use with the lens' aperture ring
>> 3) be sure the meter is activated (a half press on the shutter button
>> activates the meter circuitry)
>> 4) press the green button /AE-Lock button
>>
>> The camera will stop down the lens briefly, take a reading, and set
>> the appropriate shutter speed. This is not auto exposure, to my way
>> of thinking, but semi-automatic exposure operation. It is simple and
>> fluid in use, although I'm the first to say that I don't like mixing
>> post-A and pre-A series lenses much because having to switch modes on
>> the camera and modes of thought in use can lead to errors.
>>
>> I am pretty sure we'll never see another Pentax with the mechanical
>> aperture simulator, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that count. Don't
>> hold your breath for it. ;-)
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:44 PM, David Bliss wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything,
>>> does
>>> dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
>>> since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A
>>> lenses,
>>> I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens
>>> aperture ring,
>>> with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly
>>> knob on
>>> the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use
> the
>>> lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of
>>> my old
>>> Sony cameras (and most non-pro video cameras).
>>
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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Adam Maas]

Tell that to the stacks of A and later lenses at the local used section. 
K lenses other than the 50/2 and 80-200 f4.5 are on the rare side.

I suspect I've seen more used 35-80 variants than non-50mm K/M lenses in 
this city.

-Adam


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> WRONG - "A" lenses are extremely difficult to find
> Compared to K/M. Sure thare are SOME rare K/M,
> But there are nearly all rare A and later on used
> Market. I should state that the "K" series are
> Somewhat rare being only made for 2 years on most
> Models but the "M" series should stand for MASSIVE
> Quantities made and sold. Don’t forget that all pentax
> Made was K and M for 9 years and those were their
> Best years. By the time "A" came out Canon was
> Kicking their ass in popularity.
> JCO
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Adam Maas
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:31 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
> 
> Ok, try finding a K 85. Sure, there are a lot of K/M lenses out there, 
> but the A and later lenses are at least as common as the non-50mm 
> Pentax-branded K's today. A lot of K lenses (especially anything other 
> than 28, 35, 50 or 135's) are quite rare, like the 85. Many of the A 
> lenses (including the 50mm f2) were in production far longer than the 
> equivalent K/M lenses.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>> Total Bullshit, Like I said in my earlier posts,
>> Pentax was on top of the world in the K/M era
>> In popularity. There are more K/M lenses in existance
>> Than ALL THE OTHER SERIES COMBINED. Just try ebay.
>> You have it ass backwards, finding lenses "A" or
>> Later is much harder than K/M series, ebay or elsewhere.
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
>> Adam Maas
>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:53 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>>
>> Nothing wrong with them, I'm fond of mine. But the monstrous amount of
> 
>> them floating around does not a market make. Other pre-A glass is 
>> significantly more rare.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>> And whats wrong with 50mm F2's? :)
>>> Seriuosly, pentax made a lot of 
>>> Really nice K and M lenses and they
>>> For the most part are holding up
>>> Excellently due to the great build quality.
>>> To not fully support these millions of
>>> Excellent PENTAX Lenses is really shameful...
>>> jco
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of
>>> Adam Maas
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:55 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>>>
>>> Of course, 50% of those lenses you refer to are 50mm f2's sitting in
> a
>>> shoebox with a K1000 somewhere.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Oh Screw You. You don’t have a clue if you think that legacy
 Lens support is only a minor issue. And like an
 Idiot it's NOT the age of the lenses it's WHAT
 The PK/PKM lenses are, which are superb MANUAL
 Focus lenses which are not even available new
 Anymore so there is great reason to support them.
 AGE IS IRRELAVANT. There are MORE PK/PKM lenses
 In existence than all other lens series combined so
 MOST Pentax BRAND lenses are not fully supported. That’s
 Not good by any standardsThis is a Pentax support
 Issue, not a compatability issue which really sucks
 IMHO. If yours differs, so be it, but you cannot
 Prove your points by calling me an idiot, it just
 Makes you look like an idiot in doing so..
 Jco

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>>> Of
 John Forbes
 Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:21 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

 Don't apologise to JC O'Connell.

 He is a boring little nitwit who comes onto the list every six
> months
>>> or
 so to wind himself into a frenzy over the lack of full support for
>>> very
 old lenses.

 After abusing anyone who disagrees with him (sample: "Gimme a
> friggin
 break with your "you don?t own a pentax (sic) DSLR So (sic) you
> don?t
 know  
 what youre (sic) talking about" B.S.").

 Eventually, after about a dozen posts, this one-issue idiot has an  
 apoplectic fit, and shuts up for another six months while he
>> recovers.
 Then the cycle starts all over again.

 John





 On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:49:13 +0100, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
> I know that now.
>> From now on I will look for limitations in my equipment.
> JCO.
> Sorry about my sarcastic reply. The compatibility could have been
 solved
> better, I agree on that.
> But I prefer looking forward, looking for solution

Re: Back on -can't resist

[Vic MacBournie]

hi Shell I have the K24 (don't use it much but i like it) the k35f2 and 
i used to have the 120. I really have not had any trouble with the K,M 
or A lenses on digital... Once in a while I forget to hit the green 
button but it's no big deal
I will say that i recently got a 300 F4.5 and the results with that 
lens are outstanding... I shoot my daughter's ice skating team in 
rather dark arenas ad that baby focuses perfectly.
i have the Tokina ATX 80-200 f2.8 which I thought would be a great 
lens. it is a very sharp lens but it has a little trouble keeping up 
with the focus at the rink. It is almost unusable in a low light with 
fast action scenario. Still a nice lens though
Vic
On 8-Oct-06, at 7:27 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> The K24/2.8, K35/2.0, K120/2.8, and the K135/2.5 have delivered very 
> good
> results on the istDS.  I'm still exploring other possibilities
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Walter Hamler
>
>> I love my 50 /1.4, 135 /3.5, 200 /4, and 350 /5.5 on my istDL
>
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Re: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2

[Mat Maessen]

On 10/8/06, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any one on the list have any experience with this feature in PS CS2?
> Care to share your experiences - good/bad, suggestions.

I know nothing of exactly what you speak, but I have been reading this
whitepaper at the Adobe website -

http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/pdfs/highlight_recovery.pdf

It's a very interesting read. And may be of interest to you if you're
shooting high-dynamic-range scenes.

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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Not sure what you mean by "leaving behind 30 yr old technology"?
They are not moving forward, they are moving backward if
Lenses are LOSING key features they have already had for
30 years. This isnt a case where progress necessitated 
this, like a new mount, this is a case of plain out abandonment
of millions of PENTAX brand K lenses features. Would you buy a film
body without these longtime features? I wouldn't.
jco
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Vic MacBournie
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:28 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

I kind of enjoy JCO's arguments... I like to see the different angles 
he takes to respond to the various posts. I think he's just trying to 
make a point that he's not happy with the way pentax has moved forward 
leaving behind 30-year-old technology die-hards like him and I to cry 
in our beer about the good old days when little steel things protruded 
from the lenses. i agree wholeheartedly with him but have chosen to 
enjoy what compatibility that is still left. Every time I think about 
selling my old lenses I put them on my ist D and that ends that 
idea I like to think of all my old lenses like limited lenses. When 
I pack my bag full of Ks and Ms and As it's like having a whole camera 
bag of limited lenses without the autofocus LOL
Vic



On 8-Oct-06, at 7:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Hello David,
>
> Add a filter to your email application to just put JCO's ranting in
> the trash automatically. I turn on that filter every time he starts
> in on this nonsense. As John Forbes said, it happens about every six
> months.
>
> Others have answered the question, but here's the scoop:
>
> To use pre-A series M/K-mount lenses, or any A series or later lens
> with the lens taken off the A setting, you
>
> 0) Set the custom function to "Using Aperture Ring - Permitted"
>
> This tells the camera to operate the aperture mechanism in K mount
> mode when the camera mode selector is set to Manual. Since the camera
> does not have the mechanical aperture simulator, when you fit a lens
> as above you
>
> 1) set the mode selector to Manual
> 2) set the aperture you want to use with the lens' aperture ring
> 3) be sure the meter is activated (a half press on the shutter button
> activates the meter circuitry)
> 4) press the green button /AE-Lock button
>
> The camera will stop down the lens briefly, take a reading, and set
> the appropriate shutter speed. This is not auto exposure, to my way
> of thinking, but semi-automatic exposure operation. It is simple and
> fluid in use, although I'm the first to say that I don't like mixing
> post-A and pre-A series lenses much because having to switch modes on
> the camera and modes of thought in use can lead to errors.
>
> I am pretty sure we'll never see another Pentax with the mechanical
> aperture simulator, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that count. Don't
> hold your breath for it. ;-)
>
> Godfrey
>
> On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:44 PM, David Bliss wrote:
>
>> I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything,
>> does
>> dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
>> since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A
>> lenses,
>> I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens
>> aperture ring,
>> with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly
>> knob on
>> the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use
the
>> lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of
>> my old
>> Sony cameras (and most non-pro video cameras).
>
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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

No, it happens everytime Pentax puts out a $1K camera
That cant even read PENTAX brand PK lenses aperture settings.
jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:13 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

Hello David,

Add a filter to your email application to just put JCO's ranting in  
the trash automatically. I turn on that filter every time he starts  
in on this nonsense. As John Forbes said, it happens about every six  
months.

Others have answered the question, but here's the scoop:

To use pre-A series M/K-mount lenses, or any A series or later lens  
with the lens taken off the A setting, you

0) Set the custom function to "Using Aperture Ring - Permitted"

This tells the camera to operate the aperture mechanism in K mount  
mode when the camera mode selector is set to Manual. Since the camera  
does not have the mechanical aperture simulator, when you fit a lens  
as above you

1) set the mode selector to Manual
2) set the aperture you want to use with the lens' aperture ring
3) be sure the meter is activated (a half press on the shutter button  
activates the meter circuitry)
4) press the green button /AE-Lock button

The camera will stop down the lens briefly, take a reading, and set  
the appropriate shutter speed. This is not auto exposure, to my way  
of thinking, but semi-automatic exposure operation. It is simple and  
fluid in use, although I'm the first to say that I don't like mixing  
post-A and pre-A series lenses much because having to switch modes on  
the camera and modes of thought in use can lead to errors.

I am pretty sure we'll never see another Pentax with the mechanical  
aperture simulator, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that count. Don't  
hold your breath for it. ;-)

Godfrey

On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:44 PM, David Bliss wrote:

> I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything,  
> does
> dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
> since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A  
> lenses,
> I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens  
> aperture ring,
> with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly  
> knob on
> the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use the
> lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of  
> my old
> Sony cameras (and most non-pro video cameras).


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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[P. J. Alling]

I think I covered that in my post, and I know when it was introduced I 
used to have one.

Adam Maas wrote:

>Note the last body introduced with an aperture simulator was the MZ-S. 
>The MZ-M is an older body remaining in either hsort-run production or 
>stocks. It was introduced almost 10 years ago.
>
>-Adam
>
>
>P. J. Alling wrote:
>  
>
>>Pentax wrote it off in the Semi Pro bodies only with the introduction of 
>>the *ist and *ist-D.  This is very recent, in fact they still supported 
>>it on what is  a current model MZ/ZX-M, though admittedly probably no 
>>longer in full production, it is still considered a current model. 
>>(http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/product--ZX-M/reqID--5004/subsection--film_slr)
>> 
>>The MZ/ZX-M is in any way you look at their ultimate entry level camera 
>>at this time.  It would be silly not to include in this case but in many 
>>ways it's just as silly not to support it on newer top level models.  If 
>>the K10D included support for aperture simulator, I'd buy one tomorrow 
>>rather than waiting for the price to drop.
>>
>>Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>No, there is nothing to prevent it being re-implemented. But the Camera 
>>>makers in the position to do so (Nikon and Pentax, the only two of major 
>>>makers stillusing their MF mount) have written it off on consumer and 
>>>semi-pro bodies a number of years ago. This happened in the film era, 
>>>we've actually got more functionality on the Pentax DSLR's than on many 
>>>recent film bodies (*ist, MZ-30/50/60, many more on the Nikon side).
>>>
>>>Would I like to see the Aperture Simulator return? Hell Yes. Do I expect 
>>>it? Not unless Pentax makes a K1D. Can I live without it? Most Assuredly.
>>>
>>>-Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Bullshit. There is nothing to prevent its implementation
In the future, either by Pentax or other camera makers
Using the PK mount.
jco

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Adam Maas
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:45 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

Because it ain't shit.

The green button hack is one of the reasons I bought the K100D to 
replace my D50. Some metering is better than no metering. And that's the

choice we're faced with.

The Aperture Simulator is dead. Deal With It. Those of us who shoot with

K glass and the DSLR's are doing just fine.

-Adam


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
   



>Why settle for shit for no reason?
>Glass is still definitely half empty.
>jco
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> 
>
>  
>
Of
   



>Tim Øsleby
>Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:27 AM
>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>
>I stand corrected, silly me. My perception is obviously wrong 
>[slapping myself happily over forehead]. 
>
>The glass is half empty, not half full.
>
>
>Tim
>Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> 
>
>  
>
Of
   



>J.
>C. O'Connell
>Sent: 8. oktober 2006 17:03
>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>
>No, an "extra bonus" on a $1000 top line camera would be
>A camera that could read the PK PKM lens aperture setting. That this
> 
>
>  
>
is
   



>Not done is ridiculous as its friggin SIMPLE to implement...
>Semi automanual manual is good but it aint open aperture AE
>With PK PKM, while is very possible but still is not done.
>jco
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> 
>
>  
>
Of
   



>Tim Øsleby
>Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:46 AM
>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>
>Welcome onboard David.
>
>I had exactly the same thoughts as you about metering manual lenses
>before I
>tried it. In real life, it is no problem. After 15 minutes using it,
> 
>
>  
>
you
   



>will get used to it. 
>In high speed situation you must think a bit ahead, watching at the
>light.
>If lighting changes you need to re push the button every now and then
> 
>
>  
>
to
   



>make sure to get the exposure right before the decisive moment. 
>

Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Vic MacBournie]

I kind of enjoy JCO's arguments... I like to see the different angles 
he takes to respond to the various posts. I think he's just trying to 
make a point that he's not happy with the way pentax has moved forward 
leaving behind 30-year-old technology die-hards like him and I to cry 
in our beer about the good old days when little steel things protruded 
from the lenses. i agree wholeheartedly with him but have chosen to 
enjoy what compatibility that is still left. Every time I think about 
selling my old lenses I put them on my ist D and that ends that 
idea I like to think of all my old lenses like limited lenses. When 
I pack my bag full of Ks and Ms and As it's like having a whole camera 
bag of limited lenses without the autofocus LOL
Vic



On 8-Oct-06, at 7:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> Hello David,
>
> Add a filter to your email application to just put JCO's ranting in
> the trash automatically. I turn on that filter every time he starts
> in on this nonsense. As John Forbes said, it happens about every six
> months.
>
> Others have answered the question, but here's the scoop:
>
> To use pre-A series M/K-mount lenses, or any A series or later lens
> with the lens taken off the A setting, you
>
> 0) Set the custom function to "Using Aperture Ring - Permitted"
>
> This tells the camera to operate the aperture mechanism in K mount
> mode when the camera mode selector is set to Manual. Since the camera
> does not have the mechanical aperture simulator, when you fit a lens
> as above you
>
> 1) set the mode selector to Manual
> 2) set the aperture you want to use with the lens' aperture ring
> 3) be sure the meter is activated (a half press on the shutter button
> activates the meter circuitry)
> 4) press the green button /AE-Lock button
>
> The camera will stop down the lens briefly, take a reading, and set
> the appropriate shutter speed. This is not auto exposure, to my way
> of thinking, but semi-automatic exposure operation. It is simple and
> fluid in use, although I'm the first to say that I don't like mixing
> post-A and pre-A series lenses much because having to switch modes on
> the camera and modes of thought in use can lead to errors.
>
> I am pretty sure we'll never see another Pentax with the mechanical
> aperture simulator, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that count. Don't
> hold your breath for it. ;-)
>
> Godfrey
>
> On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:44 PM, David Bliss wrote:
>
>> I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything,
>> does
>> dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
>> since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A
>> lenses,
>> I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens
>> aperture ring,
>> with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly
>> knob on
>> the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use the
>> lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of
>> my old
>> Sony cameras (and most non-pro video cameras).
>
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RE: Back on -can't resist

[Shel Belinkoff]

The K24/2.8, K35/2.0, K120/2.8, and the K135/2.5 have delivered very good
results on the istDS.  I'm still exploring other possibilities

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Walter Hamler 

> I love my 50 /1.4, 135 /3.5, 200 /4, and 350 /5.5 on my istDL



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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Well if youre satisfied with the "consistancy" of the manual
Setting via GB, just imagine how much more you would be
Satified if you didn't need to do that monkey metering step everytime
and
Still got the same great results. Yes, it's a no brainer, AE
As an option would be much better than no option at all.
jco

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On 09/10/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But you're a digital newbie. Give it time. It's no big deal. If you
> can shoot with a Barnack Leica or a Spotmatic, the green button
> "kludge" is no big deal.

Still doesn't work for me after three years and tens of thousands of
exposure, I just hate the inconsistency.

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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

Give it up will you? Locked exposure settings is manual
By any standard. If you have to push a button everytime to 
Get the correct exposure its not AUTOmatic. Your playing
The semantics game not me...
jco

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:58 PM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?


- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell" 
Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?


> And whats "new" about your complaints with my posts...
> Someone else was continuing to state that these cameras
> Do AE with PK/PKM, that's the only reason for my replies...

Um, they do AE with PK/PKM lenses. 
It's just not the type of AE you want it to be.
Consequently, you get into a semantics debate again and again.

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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

hehe

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On Oct 8, 2006, at 3:39 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

>
> . Are you retarded or What?

Or what.

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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Tim Øsleby]

Guys. You are hijacking the thread. Rather impolite towards a newcomer IMO.


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RE: GESO - Breaking Waves

[Tim Øsleby]

Well done. I can feel the smell and hear the waves. I saw them as slideshow.
Could work very well with music.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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I have discovered, that photographinig the sea is much more difficult than I
thought :-)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157594316648589/
Sorry 'bout the blue cast, though ...
Regards

Jens Bladt
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RE: HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2

[Walter Hamler]

Not sure what it does or is supposed to do. I use PS Elements 4.0, so it 
probably isn't on the tool bar.

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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

WRONG - "A" lenses are extremely difficult to find
Compared to K/M. Sure thare are SOME rare K/M,
But there are nearly all rare A and later on used
Market. I should state that the "K" series are
Somewhat rare being only made for 2 years on most
Models but the "M" series should stand for MASSIVE
Quantities made and sold. Don’t forget that all pentax
Made was K and M for 9 years and those were their
Best years. By the time "A" came out Canon was
Kicking their ass in popularity.
JCO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Adam Maas
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:31 PM
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Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

Ok, try finding a K 85. Sure, there are a lot of K/M lenses out there, 
but the A and later lenses are at least as common as the non-50mm 
Pentax-branded K's today. A lot of K lenses (especially anything other 
than 28, 35, 50 or 135's) are quite rare, like the 85. Many of the A 
lenses (including the 50mm f2) were in production far longer than the 
equivalent K/M lenses.

-Adam


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Total Bullshit, Like I said in my earlier posts,
> Pentax was on top of the world in the K/M era
> In popularity. There are more K/M lenses in existance
> Than ALL THE OTHER SERIES COMBINED. Just try ebay.
> You have it ass backwards, finding lenses "A" or
> Later is much harder than K/M series, ebay or elsewhere.
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Adam Maas
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:53 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
> 
> Nothing wrong with them, I'm fond of mine. But the monstrous amount of

> them floating around does not a market make. Other pre-A glass is 
> significantly more rare.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>> And whats wrong with 50mm F2's? :)
>> Seriuosly, pentax made a lot of 
>> Really nice K and M lenses and they
>> For the most part are holding up
>> Excellently due to the great build quality.
>> To not fully support these millions of
>> Excellent PENTAX Lenses is really shameful...
>> jco
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
>> Adam Maas
>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:55 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>>
>> Of course, 50% of those lenses you refer to are 50mm f2's sitting in
a
> 
>> shoebox with a K1000 somewhere.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>> Oh Screw You. You don’t have a clue if you think that legacy
>>> Lens support is only a minor issue. And like an
>>> Idiot it's NOT the age of the lenses it's WHAT
>>> The PK/PKM lenses are, which are superb MANUAL
>>> Focus lenses which are not even available new
>>> Anymore so there is great reason to support them.
>>> AGE IS IRRELAVANT. There are MORE PK/PKM lenses
>>> In existence than all other lens series combined so
>>> MOST Pentax BRAND lenses are not fully supported. That’s
>>> Not good by any standardsThis is a Pentax support
>>> Issue, not a compatability issue which really sucks
>>> IMHO. If yours differs, so be it, but you cannot
>>> Prove your points by calling me an idiot, it just
>>> Makes you look like an idiot in doing so..
>>> Jco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of
>>> John Forbes
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:21 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>>>
>>> Don't apologise to JC O'Connell.
>>>
>>> He is a boring little nitwit who comes onto the list every six
months
>> or
>>> so to wind himself into a frenzy over the lack of full support for
>> very
>>> old lenses.
>>>
>>> After abusing anyone who disagrees with him (sample: "Gimme a
friggin
>>> break with your "you don?t own a pentax (sic) DSLR So (sic) you
don?t
>>> know  
>>> what youre (sic) talking about" B.S.").
>>>
>>> Eventually, after about a dozen posts, this one-issue idiot has an  
>>> apoplectic fit, and shuts up for another six months while he
> recovers.
>>> Then the cycle starts all over again.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:49:13 +0100, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
 I know that now.
> From now on I will look for limitations in my equipment.
 JCO.
 Sorry about my sarcastic reply. The compatibility could have been
>>> solved
 better, I agree on that.
 But I prefer looking forward, looking for solutions instead of
>> beating
 this
 dead horse. I don't believe irritation over this minor issue (for
> me)
 will
 make me a better photographer.


 Tim
 Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
>>> Of  
 J.
 C. O'Connell
 Sent: 8. oktober 2006 17:34
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'

RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[J. C. O'Connell]

No, AE lock is an optional part IN ADDITON to true AE not a total
replacement for true AE.
jco

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:26 PM
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You want cntinuous AE.Locked AE and Continuous AE are both AE.

-Adam


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> LOCKED AE isnt AE its LOCKED AE.
> I want AE in addition to LOCKED AE.
> Simple enough concept for you?
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Adam Maas
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:56 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
> 
> AE is AE.
> 
> There are different kinds, but the fact it isn't continuous doesn't
mean
> 
> it's not AE. It's just not the kind you want.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>> Yes, READ or delete. But don't argue
>> That LOCKED AE is AE when it isn't.
>> that's not semantics, that's major functional
>> differences. If it didn't matter, Pentax
>> Wouldn't have put the aperture cams on the lenses
>> in the first place back in '75. ( '71 if you
>> count the SMCT Pentax screw lenses).
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
>> William Robb
>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:31 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "J. C. O'Connell"
>> Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>>
>>
>> No automatic exposure has traditional always been
>> Continous after setting one parameter ( in this
>> Case the aperture ). This is simply a 1 shot
>> Stop down manual exposure mode where the camera
>> Finds the correct shutter speed for you ONE TIME
>> And doesn't correct if the lighting or aperture
>> Changes like traditional AE always has. Its not
>> Really AE its metered manual or "AE with AE LOCK
>> Always ON" which is quite another story.
>>
>> Is there a point, other than a semantics debate, to all this?
>>
>> William Robb 
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 


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RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION

[J. C. O'Connell]

So do I ( in fact with negative FILM) I often
Don't even use a meter due to vast experience. But if I am going
To pay $1000 for a digital camera body, I want open
Apeture metering and AE with all PK lenses as options. I am not
Saying to get rid of manual of course.
jco

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I use manual metering mode quite often. It inspires thought about  
what stop and shutter speed are most advantageous.
Paul
On Oct 8, 2006, at 4:15 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "J. C. O'Connell"
> Subject: RE: k10d and manual-aperture lenses? QUESTION
>
>
> QUESTION: How does manual metering mode work with NON PK/PKM
> Lenses ("A" series for example)???
>
> Quite well, actually.
>
> William Robb
>
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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 09/10/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But you're a digital newbie. Give it time. It's no big deal. If you
> can shoot with a Barnack Leica or a Spotmatic, the green button
> "kludge" is no big deal.

Still doesn't work for me after three years and tens of thousands of
exposure, I just hate the inconsistency.

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HDR (High Dynamic Range) in Photo Shop CS2

[Kenneth Waller]

Any one on the list have any experience with this feature in PS CS2?
Care to share your experiences - good/bad, suggestions.

I'm going to try some of this in the coming week on images I intend to 
capture this week in the U. P. of Michigan.

Thanks in advance

Kenneth Waller
(I don't consider this OT since I'll be using Pentax Equipment) ;+} 


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Back on -can't resist

[Walter Hamler]

Hear! Hear!!
I love my 50 /1.4, 135 /3.5, 200 /4, and 350 /5.5 on my istDL

Walt

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Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hello David,

Add a filter to your email application to just put JCO's ranting in  
the trash automatically. I turn on that filter every time he starts  
in on this nonsense. As John Forbes said, it happens about every six  
months.

Others have answered the question, but here's the scoop:

To use pre-A series M/K-mount lenses, or any A series or later lens  
with the lens taken off the A setting, you

0) Set the custom function to "Using Aperture Ring - Permitted"

This tells the camera to operate the aperture mechanism in K mount  
mode when the camera mode selector is set to Manual. Since the camera  
does not have the mechanical aperture simulator, when you fit a lens  
as above you

1) set the mode selector to Manual
2) set the aperture you want to use with the lens' aperture ring
3) be sure the meter is activated (a half press on the shutter button  
activates the meter circuitry)
4) press the green button /AE-Lock button

The camera will stop down the lens briefly, take a reading, and set  
the appropriate shutter speed. This is not auto exposure, to my way  
of thinking, but semi-automatic exposure operation. It is simple and  
fluid in use, although I'm the first to say that I don't like mixing  
post-A and pre-A series lenses much because having to switch modes on  
the camera and modes of thought in use can lead to errors.

I am pretty sure we'll never see another Pentax with the mechanical  
aperture simulator, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that count. Don't  
hold your breath for it. ;-)

Godfrey

On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:44 PM, David Bliss wrote:

> I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything,  
> does
> dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
> since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A  
> lenses,
> I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens  
> aperture ring,
> with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly  
> knob on
> the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use the
> lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of  
> my old
> Sony cameras (and most non-pro video cameras).


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Re: Pentax medium formats

[Doug Miles]

On 10/08/06 10:12, "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No, the 6x7 is closer to nearly square, isn't it?

Not really, Jens... Sounds nearly square, but the designation only
represents a nominal dimension expressed to the nearest whole centimetre.
And further, it's converted from inch measurements, actually 2.25 x 2.75
inches, close to 57mm x 70mm. That can be printed on 4x5, 8x10, or 16x20
inch paper with very minimal cropping, thus termed "ideal format."

Doug


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Re: Harvest Moon

[Paul Stenquist]

Ah, yes, the mountain top would have to be distant to get good  
sharpness on both the moon and the buildings. So your camera position  
is rendered irrelevant.  It's a very good shot. Thanks for sharing.
Paul
On Oct 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:

> :>)  Thanks for the input Paul. The smile is because I thought  
> through the
> recommendation and visualized what would be necessary to do that at  
> the time
> I shot the pic.
> The top of the mountain is about 5 miles away, 1700 ft high. The  
> moon is,
> well, 240,000 miles +/-
> The scope and mount, about 300 pounds in round numbers. I have done  
> some
> flying, but the helo's were in the hangar that night. Maybe next time!
>
> Walt
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Re: Back on -can't resist

[Vic MacBournie]

Ha Ha that's partially what brought me back. I just shot about 200 
shots of my daughter's precision skating team this morning with my K200 
f2.5 and the istD I loved it. Using, I don't know a 30-year-old 
lens, with a digital camera just brings a certain satisfaction that my 
Canon friends can't experience and the results were just lovely.  I 
have a large assortment of K and M lenses that I use with the istD. The 
fact that I can use them with the istD has kept me from going bankrupt 
trying to replace them. Of particular note is the K200 f2.5, 85f2, 
100f2.8, 35f2, 105,f2.5 Kiron macro 
if the doubters only gave it a try they would never look back...
Vic




On 8-Oct-06, at 6:54 PM, Bob W wrote:

>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Vic MacBournie
>> Sent: 08 October 2006 23:47
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Back on -can't resist
>>
>> I keep logging off this list because I can't deal with all the
> emails
>> but i always come back because I can't live without the PDML
>> Vic
>> never really left just been lurking...
>>
>
> Welcome back.
>
> So, what do you think about the Green Button Kludge?
>
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Re: PESO: Winter Warmth

[Paul Stenquist]

Intriguing, dramatic. Excellent work IMO.
Paul
On Oct 8, 2006, at 6:46 PM, Walter Hamler wrote:

> Shot a few years ago. Origonal was a Kodachrome but I always wanted  
> to print
> a B&W. My old scanner got dusted off and surprisingly it works  
> wonders in
> Windows XP.
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/WinterWarmthBW.jpg
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