Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano

[AlunFoto]

2010/4/15 John Sessoms :
> I'd rather be stuck on the ground in Norway than halfway across when the
> engines decided to pack it in.

"Pack it in", eh?  You either suffer from aerophobia or watch
Discovery Channel too much. :-)

By the time the cloud hits Europe it's too dispersed to cause total
engine failure. From an aircraft maintenance PoV, however, it makes
perfect sense to leave the machines on the ground.

Jostein

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Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano

[David Mann]

On Apr 15, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> The story made the headlines here (USA) on Yahoo.

It headlined our 6pm news down here on the opposite side of the world.

Dave

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Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano

[AlunFoto]

2010/4/15 David J Brooks :
> If you can't control your volcano, you should'nt have one.
>

All I ever did with mine was to squeeze them. Mine only extended far
enough into the atmosphere to stick on the bathroom mirror, though.



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Re: GESO - Bikespotting

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On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:40 AM, eckinator wrote:

> 2010/4/15 Larry Colen :
>> 
>> Bell was nice enough to send me a replacement.
> 
> so was giro when I wiped out. the service charge was about one 6.5th
> of the helmet

I know Specialized have a discount replacement program, at least in the USA.  I 
found out the hard way that it doesn't extend to NZ.

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Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano

[AlunFoto]

2010/4/15 Þráinn Vigfússon :
> Yes we did. So there!
>
> Thrainn

LOL!
It'll remind those brits to be careful with the norse allright. :-)

Jostein

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Re: SDM in Cold Weather

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2010/4/14 Jack Davis :
> Thanks..I guess, Jostine. ;-))
> I'll check it again when like conditions exist.

Not much of a contribution, I guess.
But it sounds like something that isn't supposed to be so.

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Re: sudden stop

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "paul stenquist" 


Subject: Re: sudden stop




On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote:


From: steve harley

On 2010-04-15 13:18 , Bruce Walker wrote:

> But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it
> ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question
> (the 100 and 90?)
it was about 20 years earlier, not the 90/100 models, but the Audi Fox 
in the 70s; i could be off since i'm not looking it up; i remember my 
high school math teacher had one


Did a Google search and it appears to be 82 - 87 Audi 5000.

According to the Wikipedia article I found, at the time NHTSA was 
"investigating 50 car models from 20 manufacturers for sudden surges of 
power."


If it was "driver error", it was error attributable to poor design of gas 
& brake pedals and automatic transmissions.


Audi took the brunt of criticism for what was an industry standard of 
poor design.


Not really. Audi's brake and accelerator pedal were closer together than 
those of other makes. It was done so that drivers who had a manual 
transmission could heel and toe the brake and accelerator when cornering. 
Audi retained the close placement on automatic transmission models.


But Audi vehicles were not defective. However, 60 Minutes was guillty of 
fraud. Someone should have gone to jail.


William Rosenbluth was the 'expert' that rigged the vehicle for the TV show.



Paul



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Re: sudden stop

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jerry in Arizona" 

Subject: Re: sudden stop


Unlike the Toyota, the Audi was an ergonomic issue with the location and 
size of the brake pedal. The sudden >acceleration was found to be drivers 
pressing hartd on the accelerator when they thought they were pressing >the 
brake pedal.


Sounds like driver error to me.


"Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:02:50 -0400
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Several others as well.

The Toyota case became notable for the same reason the Audi case became
notable. They started off by denying it was happening at all, then tried
to blame it all on driver error, and were eventually forced into a
recall to fix the problem.

Never would have become a problem if Toyota had been proactive, but
somewhere along the way to getting bigger than GM, they started acting
like GM.

In Toyota's case there's also the lingering question of whether the fix
actually fixed it?"




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Re: PESO - Midnight on Augusta Street

[Bruce Dayton]

Very nice capture - you've conveyed the mood well.

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Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:28:37 PM, you wrote:

ft> Toronto's Kensington Market is alive and bustling during the day, but
ft> night time's a different story:

ft> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/04/midnight-on-augusta-street.html

ft> Hope you enjoy.

ft> Comments welcome.

ft> cheers,
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Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano

[Ken Waller]

should'nt


Close !

shouldn't

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From: "David J Brooks" 

Subject: Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano


If you can't control your volcano, you should'nt have one.

Dave

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Cotty  wrote:

An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption
to UK and transatlantic European flights. Normal weather patterns here
in the UK are dominated by Atlantic low pressure systems sweeping in
from the southwest but unfortunately at the moment we have settled
weather with a high pressure system to the west which means the winds
are light but from the direction of Iceland! Aircraft engines can be
damaged by volcanic dust so vast majority of flights currently suspended.

The high isn't moving a lot so this situation could be around for a few
days at minimum.

Full story:





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Re: sudden stop

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "steve harley" 

Subject: Re: sudden stop



On 2010-04-15 13:18 , Bruce Walker wrote:

But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it
ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question
(the 100 and 90?)


Bad press killed it.



it was about 20 years earlier, not the 90/100 models, but the Audi Fox 
in the 70s; i could be off since i'm not looking it up; i remember my 
high school math teacher had one



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Re: PESO - Blue Ice Princess

[Bruce Dayton]

The reflections and background make this an interesting photo -
really draws you in to examine closely.

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Thursday, April 15, 2010, 4:10:19 PM, you wrote:

TØ> http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/04/blue-ice-princess.html

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Re: sudden stop

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "J.C. O'Connell" 

Subject: RE: sudden stop



Has Toyota revealed (yet?) what actually went wrong
and the actual fix for the problem? I think that should happen.


NHTSA & Toyota have investigated both the Prius incident in San Diego & the 
one in upstate New York. In the San Diego incident, they both found no 
reason why the vehicle could not be brought under control - there was nothng 
wrong with it. In the N.Y. Prius incident they both found pedal 
misapplication - the driver had her foot on the accelerator (wide open 
throttle) and never touched the brake.




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Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question

[Bruce Dayton]

So, are you going for the Frank effect?  Got to get all the way down
to 1/4 sec to introduce a little blur?  The lighting and scene are
rather nice.

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Thursday, April 15, 2010, 2:56:21 PM, you wrote:

BW> Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer
BW> existential.

BW> So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a
BW> Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of
BW> the Latin Quarter:

BW> 

BW> The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro.

BW> Bob





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Re: PESO: Columbine II

[Bruce Dayton]

Ya done good, Jack.  I like this one - rich color and nice lighting.

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Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:26:03 PM, you wrote:


JD> Less breeze this AM, so tried it again.

JD> Comments?

JD> Jack

JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487

JD> K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding 
(unfolded) patio chair.




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Re: Happy birthday, Paint Boy!

[Bruce Dayton]

It almost looks like someone painted that to fit the background -
pretty cool effect and great shot - I don't think I would have seen
it.

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Thursday, April 15, 2010, 11:20:41 AM, you wrote:

BW> It's Leonardo da Vinci's 558th birthday today, so to mark such a momentous
BW> occasion here is a photo I took (handheld, 1/11th sec) on Monday of some
BW> people looking at one of his pictures.

BW> 

BW> The large painting in the background is the Wedding Feast at Cana by
BW> Veronese. I'm pleased with the way the figures in that painting merge into
BW> the people in the photograph. Perspective - something Leonardo knew a bit
BW> about.

BW> Bob





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Re: sudden stop

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Franklin" 

Subject: Re: sudden stop



On 2010-04-15 15:10, Larry Colen wrote:


In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for
modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to
happen on its own.


Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I 
think ?) to get it to "explode" in a collision.


It was on a Chevy Pickup. 



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RE: Ultra-wide zooms

[J.C. O'Connell]

I read a review on the da15 and they said it outperformed
the earlier da14 lens, which wouldn’t surprise me, its
not as wide and slower than the da14.

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New design, optimized for size over performance. Quite a good lens, but
inferior in performance to both the DA 14/2.8 and DA 12-24/4. Smaller than a
FA 50/1.4 though. Like the DA 21/3.2 it's marginally inferior to the older
and larger equivalent design.

-Adam

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:51 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> what about the DA 15mm?
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> Unfortunatly it hasn't been done. Most prime designs are at least 10 
> years old. In the case of the DA 40mm limited it looks like it's about 
> thirty years old, (see the M 40mm f2.8).
>
> On 4/15/2010 1:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>> How many times do I have to tell you to make the point?
>> A zoom has to do much more than a prime so the zoom cannot be 
>> "better" or even equal to a prime with BOTH using state of the art 
>> designs and optics, period. Whatever they do to improve zoom 
>> performance over the years can also be applied to primes.
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Re: PESO - Midnight on Augusta Street

[Jack Davis]

I asked you one time if you carry a side arm, but was only partially kidding. 
Do you shoot some of what we've seen from your car?
Don't push it, Frank!
Stark, raw scene well caught.

Jack

--- On Thu, 4/15/10, frank theriault  wrote:

> From: frank theriault 
> Subject: PESO - Midnight on Augusta Street
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:28 PM
> Toronto's Kensington Market is alive
> and bustling during the day, but
> night time's a different story:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/04/midnight-on-augusta-street.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy.
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

[Keith Whaley]

John Sessoms wrote:

From: Keith Whaley

[...]

How the H*** can anyone BUY one if nobody will MAKE one?

That?s a real head-shaker...



I think you might not have picked up on just a touch of irony.


Happens from time to time...

keith



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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

[Keith Whaley]

Charles Robinson wrote:

On Apr 15, 2010, at 15:40, Keith Whaley wrote:


[...]


How the H*** can anyone BUY one if nobody will MAKE one?

That�s a real head-shaker...



Keith -

Perhaps you didn't read the same tone of irony in Larry's post that I did.

 -Charles


Perhaps.

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Re: PESO - Blue Ice Princess

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On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:


http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/04/blue-ice-princess.html

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PESO - Midnight on Augusta Street

[frank theriault]

Toronto's Kensington Market is alive and bustling during the day, but
night time's a different story:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/04/midnight-on-augusta-street.html

Hope you enjoy.

Comments welcome.

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Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-04-15 19:15, John Sessoms wrote:


And just to go completely out in left field, anyone ever actually see or
handle or even touch one of the 800f/4 lenses Pentax made for the 6x7?


No, but I saw reviews and ads about it.  Was that the one that you could 
get a K-mount adapter for?  Or was it a generic 6x7 to K-mount 
doohickey?  Or do I need to apply for disability due to Alzheimers?



Wonder how hard it would be to get that to work with the K20D? Have to
find a 67 Adapter K of course.


"Aperture Simulator" :-)

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Re: sudden stop

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-04-15 19:22, John Sessoms wrote:


I think that was an NBC program, might have been "Dateline" and it was a
pickup truck from one of the GM brands.


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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

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New design, optimized for size over performance. Quite a good lens,
but inferior in performance to both the DA 14/2.8 and DA 12-24/4.
Smaller than a FA 50/1.4 though. Like the DA 21/3.2 it's marginally
inferior to the older and larger equivalent design.

-Adam

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:51 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
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> Unfortunatly it hasn't been done. Most prime designs are at least 10
> years old. In the case of the DA 40mm limited it looks like it's about
> thirty years old, (see the M 40mm f2.8).
>
> On 4/15/2010 1:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>> How many times do I have to tell you to make the point?
>> A zoom has to do much more than a prime so the zoom cannot
>> be "better" or even equal to a prime with BOTH using state of the art
>> designs and optics, period. Whatever they do to improve zoom
>> performance over the years can also be applied to primes.
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Re: sudden stop

[paul stenquist]

On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: steve harley
>> On 2010-04-15 13:18 , Bruce Walker wrote:
>>> > But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it
>>> > ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question
>>> > (the 100 and 90?)
>> it was about 20 years earlier, not the 90/100 models, but the Audi Fox in 
>> the 70s; i could be off since i'm not looking it up; i remember my high 
>> school math teacher had one
> 
> Did a Google search and it appears to be 82 - 87 Audi 5000.
> 
> According to the Wikipedia article I found, at the time NHTSA was 
> "investigating 50 car models from 20 manufacturers for sudden surges of 
> power."
> 
> If it was "driver error", it was error attributable to poor design of gas & 
> brake pedals and automatic transmissions.
> 
> Audi took the brunt of criticism for what was an industry standard of poor 
> design.
> 
Not really. Audi's brake and accelerator pedal were closer together than those 
of other makes. It was done so that drivers who had a manual transmission could 
heel and toe the brake and accelerator when cornering. Audi retained the close 
placement on automatic transmission models.

But Audi vehicles were not defective. However, 60 Minutes was guillty of fraud. 
Someone should have gone to jail. 

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Re: PESO - Blue Ice Princess

[paul stenquist]

It is right! Beautiful photo.
Paul
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> http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/04/blue-ice-princess.html
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RE: Ultra-wide zooms

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what about the DA 15mm?

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Unfortunatly it hasn't been done. Most prime designs are at least 10 
years old. In the case of the DA 40mm limited it looks like it's about 
thirty years old, (see the M 40mm f2.8).

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> A zoom has to do much more than a prime so the zoom cannot
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> designs and optics, period. Whatever they do to improve zoom 
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Re: PESO - Blue Ice Princess

[Daniel J. Matyola]

A Wonderful Image!

Dan

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Re: PESO - Blue Ice Princess

[Bob Sullivan]

What Bruce says...  Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Tim Øsleby wrote:
>>
>> http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/04/blue-ice-princess.html
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> Excellent, Tim!  Elegant shot.  Your decision to go blue was a good one.
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Re: sudden stop

[Bruce Walker]

John Mullan wrote:

I believe it was the 5000.


Confirmed. I was off by a model-line. The 5000 was subject to the 
recalls, and Audi eventually renamed the 5000 to the 100 and 200 in 
1989.  Later on (1994-ish) the 100 became the A6 (the 80 became the A4).


Apparently a class-action lawsuit from way back then (1987) is still 
being fought in a Chicago court.  Maybe the DANKHaus guests could also 
photowalk over to see it. :-)


-bmw



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On 2010-04-15 13:18 , Bruce Walker wrote:

But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it
ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question
(the 100 and 90?)


it was about 20 years earlier, not the 90/100 models, but the Audi Fox 
in the 70s; i could be off since i'm not looking it up; i remember my 
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Re: sudden stop

[John Francis]

That's correct.

When all the facts were in no fault with the car was ever shown
to exist, other than the fact that the pedal layout was perhaps
a little further over to the left of the footwell than was found
on most american cars.

No faulty brakes were ever found, and many people demonstrated
the fact that there was absolutely no way the engine could ever
move the car if the brakes were applied.

But that didn't matter - the "Unintended Acceleration" hysteria
wasn't going to be stopped by mere facts.  Audi discontinued
the car in the US (replacing it, a year later, with a model
using the European nomenclature)


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 07:21:34PM -0400, John Mullan wrote:
> I believe it was the 5000.
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>> On 2010-04-15 13:18 , Bruce Walker wrote:
>>> But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it
>>> ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question
>>> (the 100 and 90?)
>>
>> it was about 20 years earlier, not the 90/100 models, but the Audi Fox 
>> in the 70s; i could be off since i'm not looking it up; i remember my 
>> high school math teacher had one
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Re: sudden stop

[John Sessoms]

From: steve harley

On 2010-04-15 13:18 , Bruce Walker wrote:

> But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it
> ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question
> (the 100 and 90?)


it was about 20 years earlier, not the 90/100 models, but the Audi Fox 
in the 70s; i could be off since i'm not looking it up; i remember my 
high school math teacher had one


Did a Google search and it appears to be 82 - 87 Audi 5000.

According to the Wikipedia article I found, at the time NHTSA was 
"investigating 50 car models from 20 manufacturers for sudden surges of 
power."


If it was "driver error", it was error attributable to poor design of 
gas & brake pedals and automatic transmissions.


Audi took the brunt of criticism for what was an industry standard of 
poor design.


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Re: sudden stop

[Doug Brewer]

William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin"
Subject: Re: sudden stop



On 2010-04-15 15:10, Larry Colen wrote:


In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for
modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to
happen on its own.


Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I 
think ?) to get it to "explode" in a collision.


Also, IIRC, the ones who modified a Chevy Silverado with TNT to show how 
unsafe the sidesaddle gas tanks were.


William Robb



I think that was NBC, Bill. Stone Phillips and that gang. Tanks 
exploding before impact and all.


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RE: sudden stop

[John Sessoms]

From: "J.C. O'Connell"

Has Toyota revealed (yet?) what actually went wrong
and the actual fix for the problem? I think that should happen.


Supposedly it was a problem with an accelerator pedal assembly, but not 
everyone accepts their explanation. There are questions whether it's in 
the electronic engine controls rather than the mechanicals.


I'm aware of at least one claim of runaway acceleration in a vehicle 
that had been through the recall and I don't know what Toyota has to say 
about that.


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Re: PESO - Blue Ice Princess

[Tim Øsleby]

Thanks Bruce. But mother nature created her. I just captured her
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2010/4/16 Bruce Walker :
> Tim Øsleby wrote:
>>
>> http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/04/blue-ice-princess.html
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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

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From: Keith Whaley

Larry Colen wrote:

> On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:

>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>>> The analysis of "would people rather buy three primes to cover the 
>>> range of 10-20mm or one zoom?" seems to always come up with the

>>> answer "one zoom".



>> Can somebody point me to this 10mm rectilinear prime that would cover
>> the wide end of this 10-20mm range?



> There isn't a market for one, if there were they'd make it.
> 
> They know that there isn't a market for one, because nobody buys any.


-= WHAT =- ?

Their rationale for not MAKING one is that nobody buys any?

Take off your tinfoil hat and say that again.

How the H*** can anyone BUY one if nobody will MAKE one?

That?s a real head-shaker...


I think you might not have picked up on just a touch of irony.

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Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

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Subject: Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd




And just to go completely out in left field, anyone ever actually see or 
handle or even touch one of the 800f/4 lenses Pentax made for the 6x7?


Yes, both. At a camera store in Saskatoon in the mid 80s.
It was huge.

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Re: sudden stop

[John Sessoms]

From: Doug Franklin

On 2010-04-15 15:10, Larry Colen wrote:


> In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for
> modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to
> happen on its own.


Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I 
think ?) to get it to "explode" in a collision.


I think that was an NBC program, might have been "Dateline" and it was a 
pickup truck from one of the GM brands.


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Re: sudden stop

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I believe it was the 5000.

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On 2010-04-15 13:18 , Bruce Walker wrote:

But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it
ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question
(the 100 and 90?)


it was about 20 years earlier, not the 90/100 models, but the Audi Fox in 
the 70s; i could be off since i'm not looking it up; i remember my high 
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Re: PESO - Blue Ice Princess

[Bruce Walker]

Tim Øsleby wrote:

http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/04/blue-ice-princess.html

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Excellent, Tim!  Elegant shot.  Your decision to go blue was a good one.

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Re: PESO - Photographic devices

[Bruce Walker]

Larry Colen wrote:

On 4/15/2010 4:10 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Seen during the early morning dog walk; Fleetwood Park.

http://decluttr.com/4524573186

K20D, smc P-DA* 55mm F1.4 SDM, f/4.0, 1/45 sec, ISO 100.

Handheld, though leaning against a wall.


Amusing, that sign looks like it was added after the fact rather than 
part of the photo.


Yeah, I considered un-straightening the image a bit so it didn't look 
photoshopped. :)


That's very nearly OOC. I just straightened the horizon about 1.5 
degrees. The resulting minor crop was perfect as it eliminated some crud 
below the letters.


Thanks for looking, Larry.

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Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

[John Sessoms]

From: Doug Franklin

On 2010-04-14 20:09, Doug Franklin wrote:


> Look for the Sigma APO 400mm f/4.5 Macro, for a much more cost conscious


Oops, typo.  It's actually f/5.6, not f/4.5.


They've got a 500 that's f/4.5, but I don't think it has Macro capability.

Comes in Pentax mount and it's "DG" just in case Cotty ever does have to 
eat his hat.


And just to go completely out in left field, anyone ever actually see or 
handle or even touch one of the 800f/4 lenses Pentax made for the 6x7?


I actually got hands on the 6x7 600f/4 one time. Couldn't afford it, but 
I did get try it out in the store.


Wonder how hard it would be to get that to work with the K20D? Have to 
find a 67 Adapter K of course.


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Re: PESO - Photographic devices

[Larry Colen]

On 4/15/2010 4:10 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Seen during the early morning dog walk; Fleetwood Park.

http://decluttr.com/4524573186

K20D, smc P-DA* 55mm F1.4 SDM, f/4.0, 1/45 sec, ISO 100.

Handheld, though leaning against a wall.


Amusing, that sign looks like it was added after the fact rather than 
part of the photo.




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PESO - Blue Ice Princess

[Tim Øsleby]

http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/04/blue-ice-princess.html

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PESO - Photographic devices

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Seen during the early morning dog walk; Fleetwood Park.

http://decluttr.com/4524573186

K20D, smc P-DA* 55mm F1.4 SDM, f/4.0, 1/45 sec, ISO 100.

Handheld, though leaning against a wall.

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Re: Columbine II

[Jack Davis]

Really nice to read, Bob. Thanks!

Jack

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> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 4:06 PM
> Jack,
> That's beautiful!  I love the lighting.
> Regards, Bob S.
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> > Appreciated, Ken.
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> > Jack
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> >> From: Ken Waller 
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> >> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:36 PM
> >> Nice capture.
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> >> Subject: PESO: Columbine II
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> >> >
> >> > Less breeze this AM, so tried it again.
> >> >
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> >> > Jack
> >> >
> >> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487
> >> >
> >> > K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400,
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Re: Columbine II

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Jack,
That's beautiful!  I love the lighting.
Regards, Bob S.

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>> Nice capture.
>>
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>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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>> Subject: PESO: Columbine II
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>> > Less breeze this AM, so tried it again.
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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

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On 4/15/2010 2:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

The analysis of "would people rather buy three primes to cover the 
range of
10-20mm or one zoom?" seems to always come up with the answer "one 
zoom".


Can somebody point me to this 10mm rectilinear prime that would cover
the wide end of this 10-20mm range?


There isn't a market for one, if there were they'd make it.

They know that there isn't a market for one, because nobody buys any.





Nobody goes there anymore it's too crowded.  Wait. What?


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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

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Unfortunatly it hasn't been done. Most prime designs are at least 10 
years old. In the case of the DA 40mm limited it looks like it's about 
thirty years old, (see the M 40mm f2.8).


On 4/15/2010 1:35 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

How many times do I have to tell you to make the point?
A zoom has to do much more than a prime so the zoom cannot
be "better" or even equal to a prime with BOTH using state of the
art designs and optics, period. Whatever they do to improve
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You're clearly not up on the latest developments in lens design.

Comparing the best UW prime on the market (The Zeiss 21mm f2.8 Distagon T*
in ZK, ZE or ZF mounts) and the best UW zoom on the market, the Nikkor
14-24mm f2.8 G, the zoom has less elements (14 elements in 11 groups for the
Nikkor, 16 elements in 13 groups for the Zeiss), although the zoom makes
heavy use of exotic glass to achieve this (2 ED elements, 3 aspherical
elements, 1 nano-crystal coated element, the latter is unique to Nikon and
seriously reduces flare). The Zeiss 21 actually does outperform the Nikkor
at 21mm, but only by a small amount (and the zoom has superior flare
performance despite its massive front element) and the Zeiss outperforms
similar primes by a much larger margin than it does the zoom. Note that the
Zeiss 21 is one of the very few truly modern wide prime designs (a 2009
update of a design from 1994), aside from the Pentax DA's, the only other
new wide primes are the current set of 14's (Canon's 14LII, the Nikkor
14/2.8D which is the oldest at ~2001 and the brand new Samyang 14/2.8) and
Sigma's massive f1.8's (which are good, fast but not exceptional).

Simply put, modern molded aspherics, use of low-dispersion elements and
other radical tech like Nikon's Nano-crystal coating has functionally
removed the advantages of prime designs for wide-angle lenses unless you are
trying to make a lens faster than f2.8. The requirements of a retrofocus
design simply grow to a point where the requirements for a zoom are
irrelevant to anything except size.

Making a world class UW requires a very high element count, prime or zoom.
Modern digital cameras are simply too demanding for edge performance,
particularly high-MP FF cameras.

As to the DA 15/4 Limited, it's actually slightly inferior in performance to
the DA 14/2.8, and the latter is pretty much identical in performance to the
12-24/4 aside from the extra stop (and the DA 14 is the best performing 14
on APS-C).

-Adam

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
   

ultra wide primes require many more elements
than primes do and the results is more flare
they will never match a prime because even
primes need too many elements for high performance
flare performance.

what is being sold doesn’t prove anything other than
market demand. Prime can outdo zooms especially on ultrawides.

what about the 15mm DA lens??

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LOL, That may have been true 5 years ago, but it simply isn't now.

Current state of the art in lenses wider than 21mm for SLR mounts are
all zooms. There are no APS-C or 35mm format SLR primes which exceed
the performance of zooms like the Nikkor 14-24/2.8, Zeiss ZA 16-35/2.8
or either of the 7-14/4'sfrom Oly/Panasonic at focal lengths wider
than 21mm (And the only reason why 21mm matters is the Zeiss 21mm f2.8
Distagon. which simply dominates the UW prime world for performance).
Current coating technology has greatly reduced the issue of increased
element count (note the Zeiss 21 has an element count which is only
slightly lower than the equivalent zooms) and the increased element
count allows correction of distortion and removal of edge performance
issues which plague even the best older UW primes.

Most basic wide primes at best match the performance of today's
high-end wide zooms, there have been very few new-design wide primes
introduced in the last 20 years while zoom performance has increased
massively and most zooms in this range are new designs form the last
few years.

The real downside for us is that none of the best zoom options are
available in K mount. But a zoom like the DA 12-24/4 or the Sigma
10-20 (in either
form) will match or exceed the performa

Re: PESO -- Brass Penny

[P. J. Alling]

On 4/15/2010 12:04 PM, Ken Waller wrote:


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" 



Subject: PESO -- Brass Penny



Somehow a plastic bike helmet just seems so wrong.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20brasspenny.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6

Note:  The problem with letting the camera pick the plane of focus is 
it's not often the one you prefer.


And here I thought the operator was the one that picked the plane of 
focus !


In this case I let the camera decide, and the door of the SUV is in 
perfect focus...






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Re: PESO -- Brass Penny

[Paul Sorenson]

"There's and app for that..."

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On 4/15/2010 4:57 PM, CheekyGeek wrote:

http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html


:)

   




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Re: peso: sudden stop

[P. J. Alling]

It's not the fall that kills you it's the sudden stop...

On 4/15/2010 11:55 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:


On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:35, Larry Colen wrote:


Seen on my way to Aikido in Watsonville tonight:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522187475/



Funny!


Thanks Charles, and to everyone else who commented.



I would like to see a little more something above the top of that 
sign, though (if one were looking for suggestions)


I may have to go back sometime, when I'm not running late.

but for a bit more above the sign there are two in that set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522186813/in/set-72157623858549452/ 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4522820422/in/set-72157623858549452/ 



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Re: SDM in Cold Weather

[Jack Davis]

You're right, Larry! :=O

Jack

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> >> Haven't heard any Meadowlarks in mine..yet, but if
> I notice Squeaky the cat showing a keen interest in it, I'll
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Re: SDM in Cold Weather

[Jack Davis]

Ex Globetrotter fan? 
That's a pretty fair reach back, John. ;)

Jack

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> Subject: Re: SDM in Cold Weather
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Re: PESO: Columbine II

[Jack Davis]

Oh yes..although they really prefer "Potty'o" chairs.

Jack

--- On Thu, 4/15/10, David J Brooks  wrote:

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> Subject: Re: PESO: Columbine II
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> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 2:39 PM
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Jack
> Davis 
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> >
> > Less breeze this AM, so tried it again.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487
> >
> > K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held
> seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair.
> 
> I didn't know Columbines like to sit in chairs.
> 
> Love the light and mood here.
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L'Etre et le néant, that is the question

[Bob W]

Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer
existential.

So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a
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the Latin Quarter:



The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro.

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Re: PESO -- Brass Penny

[CheekyGeek]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:42 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Interesting shot, love the helmet, the back ground not so much, but
> whatdayoudo right.


I'm sure it is a rhetorical question but whatyoudo is use a 35mm f2 or
a 55mm f1.8 and shoot wide open.
At 10 ft. the 35mm would give you a 2' area of DOF.
At 15 ft. a 50mm would give you 1.5' of DOF (in the case of a f1.4) or
1.83' (in the case of a f1.7)

http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

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Re: SDM in Cold Weather

[Larry Colen]

On 4/15/2010 2:52 PM, John Francis wrote:

On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


Haven't heard any Meadowlarks in mine..yet, but if I notice Squeaky the cat 
showing a keen interest in it, I'll know the reason why. 8-(


If you hear Meadowlarks from your SDM drive,
does this mean you got stuck with a Lemon?




Ouch.

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Re: PESO: Diner Sign

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, David.

Dan

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:37 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> That works well/
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
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>> Continuing my series on Jersey Diners, here is a cropped image of my
>> favorite Diner sign:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10915292
>>
>> Comments welcome.
>>
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Re: SDM in Cold Weather

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On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Haven't heard any Meadowlarks in mine..yet, but if I notice Squeaky the cat 
> showing a keen interest in it, I'll know the reason why. 8-(

If you hear Meadowlarks from your SDM drive,
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Re: sudden stop

[Jerry in Arizona]

Unlike the Toyota, the Audi was an ergonomic issue with the location and size 
of the brake pedal.  The sudden acceleration was found to be drivers pressing 
hartd on the accelerator when they thought they were pressing the brake pedal.  


"Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:02:50 -0400
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Several others as well.

The Toyota case became notable for the same reason the Audi case became 
notable. They started off by denying it was happening at all, then tried 
to blame it all on driver error, and were eventually forced into a 
recall to fix the problem.

Never would have become a problem if Toyota had been proactive, but 
somewhere along the way to getting bigger than GM, they started acting 
like GM.

In Toyota's case there's also the lingering question of whether the fix 
actually fixed it?"


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Re: peso: sudden stop

[David J Brooks]

Good eye.

Dave

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Re: PESO -- Brass Penny

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Interesting shot, love the helmet, the back ground not so much, but
whatdayoudo right.

Dave

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:30 AM, P. J. Alling
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> Somehow a plastic bike helmet just seems so wrong.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20brasspenny.html
>
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Re: OT: Tax Day in the U.S.

[David J Brooks]

We still have another 15 days.:-)
I attribute the extra time needed to thaw out our computers from winter.

Dave

Dave

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:37 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> Put it off until the last day & e-filed. Not *QUITE* as painful as I feared.
> Had to pay, but a lot less than I expected.
>
> Still I'm in kind of a grumpy mood. All the programs that have to work
> together to e-file don't play nice together anymore & I spent most of my
> time trying to get the screens unlocked.
>
> And it's funny, but I'm having to do more work to get my taxes done now that
> I don't have any money than I did when I was working.
>
> But it's done now, and I'm taking the rest of the day off.
>
> Oh, but to add to my aggrevation, Windows Vista Service Pack 2 just came
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Re: GESO - Bikespotting

[eckinator]

2010/4/15 Larry Colen :
>
> Bell was nice enough to send me a replacement.

so was giro when I wiped out. the service charge was about one 6.5th
of the helmet
cheers
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Re: PESO: Columbine II

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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
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> Less breeze this AM, so tried it again.
>
> Comments?
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> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487
>
> K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding 
> (unfolded) patio chair.

I didn't know Columbines like to sit in chairs.

Love the light and mood here.

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Re: PESO: Diner Sign

[David J Brooks]

That works well/
Dave

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> Continuing my series on Jersey Diners, here is a cropped image of my
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> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10915292
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Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano

[David J Brooks]

If you can't control your volcano, you should'nt have one.

Dave

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Cotty  wrote:
> An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption
> to UK and transatlantic European flights. Normal weather patterns here
> in the UK are dominated by Atlantic low pressure systems sweeping in
> from the southwest but unfortunately at the moment we have settled
> weather with a high pressure system to the west which means the winds
> are light but from the direction of Iceland! Aircraft engines can be
> damaged by volcanic dust so vast majority of flights currently suspended.
>
> The high isn't moving a lot so this situation could be around for a few
> days at minimum.
>
> Full story:
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Re: sudden stop

[steve harley]

On 2010-04-15 13:18 , Bruce Walker wrote:

But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it
ultimately resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question
(the 100 and 90?)


it was about 20 years earlier, not the 90/100 models, but the Audi Fox 
in the 70s; i could be off since i'm not looking it up; i remember my 
high school math teacher had one



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Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano

[Þráinn Vigfússon]

Yes we did. So there!

Thrainn


Those blubber-lovin' bastards deliberately arranged that volcano and the
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Re: GESO - Bikespotting

[Larry Colen]

On 4/15/2010 2:13 PM, mike wilson wrote:

eckinator wrote:


The longer I read what you say and what you link to the more I doubt
my helmet beliefs and choices. I was aware of rotational injuries but
was and am still under the impression that a helmet, preferably one
with at least a chin bar, can also keep your head or parts of it clear
of the edge of a curbstone which I see as the most critical threat
around town. I have yet to find any clear statement on that. For now
my feeling is precisely some is better than none but that may or may
not be true...
Cheers
Ecke


There's only one way to find out.


While I've worn bike helmets intermittently over the past 30 years, I've 
only ever one once.


Bell was nice enough to send me a replacement.





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RE: sudden stop

[J.C. O'Connell]

Has Toyota revealed (yet?) what actually went wrong
and the actual fix for the problem? I think that should happen.

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Re: GESO - Bikespotting

[mike wilson]

eckinator wrote:


The longer I read what you say and what you link to the more I doubt
my helmet beliefs and choices. I was aware of rotational injuries but
was and am still under the impression that a helmet, preferably one
with at least a chin bar, can also keep your head or parts of it clear
of the edge of a curbstone which I see as the most critical threat
around town. I have yet to find any clear statement on that. For now
my feeling is precisely some is better than none but that may or may
not be true...
Cheers
Ecke


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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

[eckinator]

2010/4/15 Larry Colen :
> On 4/15/2010 1:43 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 15:40, Keith Whaley wrote:
>>
>>> Larry Colen wrote:

 On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Larry Colen   wrote:
>
>> The analysis of "would people rather buy three primes to cover the
>> range of 10-20mm or one zoom?" seems to always come up with the
>> answer "one zoom".
>>>
> Can somebody point me to this 10mm rectilinear prime that would cover
> the wide end of this 10-20mm range?
>>>
 There isn't a market for one, if there were they'd make it.
 They know that there isn't a market for one, because nobody buys any.
>>>
>>> -= WHAT =- ?
>>>
>>> Their rationale for not MAKING one is that nobody buys any?
>>>
>>> Take off your tinfoil hat and say that again.
>>>
>>> How the H*** can anyone BUY one if nobody will MAKE one?
>>>
>>> That’s a real head-shaker...
>>>
>>
>> Keith -
>>
>> Perhaps you didn't read the same tone of irony in Larry's post that I did.
>
> He definitely fell into the sarchasm.

Hope he at least got a sargasm out of it

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Re: PESO: Diner Sign

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Larry

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On 4/15/2010 1:29 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> Continuing my series on Jersey Diners, here is a cropped image of my
>> favorite Diner sign:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10915292
>
> Very nice.
>
>>
>> Comments welcome.
>>
>> Dan
>>
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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

[Larry Colen]

On 4/15/2010 1:43 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

On Apr 15, 2010, at 15:40, Keith Whaley wrote:


Larry Colen wrote:

On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Larry Colen   wrote:


The analysis of "would people rather buy three primes to cover the range of 10-20mm 
or one zoom?" seems to always come up with the
answer "one zoom".



Can somebody point me to this 10mm rectilinear prime that would cover
the wide end of this 10-20mm range?



There isn't a market for one, if there were they'd make it.
They know that there isn't a market for one, because nobody buys any.


-= WHAT =- ?

Their rationale for not MAKING one is that nobody buys any?

Take off your tinfoil hat and say that again.

How the H*** can anyone BUY one if nobody will MAKE one?

That’s a real head-shaker...



Keith -

Perhaps you didn't read the same tone of irony in Larry's post that I did.


He definitely fell into the sarchasm.




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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

[Charles Robinson]

On Apr 15, 2010, at 15:40, Keith Whaley wrote:

> Larry Colen wrote:
>> On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
 The analysis of "would people rather buy three primes to cover the range 
 of 10-20mm or one zoom?" seems to always come up with the
 answer "one zoom".
> 
>>> Can somebody point me to this 10mm rectilinear prime that would cover
>>> the wide end of this 10-20mm range?
> 
>> There isn't a market for one, if there were they'd make it.
>> They know that there isn't a market for one, because nobody buys any.
> 
> -= WHAT =- ?
> 
> Their rationale for not MAKING one is that nobody buys any?
> 
> Take off your tinfoil hat and say that again.
> 
> How the H*** can anyone BUY one if nobody will MAKE one?
> 
> That’s a real head-shaker...
> 

Keith -

Perhaps you didn't read the same tone of irony in Larry's post that I did.

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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

[CheekyGeek]

Thanks for playing, Keith!
We have some lovely parting gifts for you...
:)

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Re: Ultra-wide zooms

[Keith Whaley]

Larry Colen wrote:

On 4/15/2010 11:23 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

The analysis of "would people rather buy three primes to cover the 
range of 10-20mm or one zoom?" seems to always come up with the

answer "one zoom".



Can somebody point me to this 10mm rectilinear prime that would cover
the wide end of this 10-20mm range?



There isn't a market for one, if there were they'd make it.

They know that there isn't a market for one, because nobody buys any.


-= WHAT =- ?

Their rationale for not MAKING one is that nobody buys any?

Take off your tinfoil hat and say that again.

How the H*** can anyone BUY one if nobody will MAKE one?

That’s a real head-shaker...

keith whaley


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Re: sudden stop

[eckinator]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=top+gear+hilux&aq=f
Please look here, there are three results on the 1st page, hilux death 1-3

2010/4/15 eckinator :
> Sorry wrong link in my mail, right one coming up
>
> 2010/4/15 William Robb :
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin"
>> Subject: Re: sudden stop
>>
>>
>>> On 2010-04-15 15:10, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
 In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for
 modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to
 happen on its own.
>>>
>>> Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I
>>> think ?) to get it to "explode" in a collision.
>>
>> Also, IIRC, the ones who modified a Chevy Silverado with TNT to show how
>> unsafe the sidesaddle gas tanks were.
>>
>> William Robb
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Re: PESO: Diner Sign

[Larry Colen]

On 4/15/2010 1:29 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Continuing my series on Jersey Diners, here is a cropped image of my
favorite Diner sign:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10915292


Very nice.



Comments welcome.

Dan




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Re: sudden stop

[eckinator]

Sorry wrong link in my mail, right one coming up

2010/4/15 William Robb :
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> - Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin"
> Subject: Re: sudden stop
>
>
>> On 2010-04-15 15:10, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>> In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for
>>> modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to
>>> happen on its own.
>>
>> Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I
>> think ?) to get it to "explode" in a collision.
>
> Also, IIRC, the ones who modified a Chevy Silverado with TNT to show how
> unsafe the sidesaddle gas tanks were.
>
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PESO: Diner Sign

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Continuing my series on Jersey Diners, here is a cropped image of my
favorite Diner sign:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10915292

Comments welcome.

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Re: sudden stop

[eckinator]

2010/4/15 William Robb :
>>
>> Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I
>> think ?) to get it to "explode" in a collision.
>
> Also, IIRC, the ones who modified a Chevy Silverado with TNT to show how
> unsafe the sidesaddle gas tanks were.

Nothing quite like the Brits when it comes to destroying cars
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6453030235718904863#
Enjoy =)
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RE: GESO - Bikespotting

[Bob W]

> 
> also keep your head or parts of it clear of the edge of a 
> curbstone which I see as the most critical threat around 
> town. I have yet to find any clear statement on that. For now 

It is probably worth while finding out the main causes of cycling accidents
where you regularly cycle, and making sure you know how to avoid those types
of accident. In London, for example, the main causes seem to be from motor
vehicles - particularly buses and lorries - turning left in front of
cyclists, who are subsequently crushed against the pavement barriers.
Another major cause is problems on roundabouts. In both cases the numbers
can be and are reduced by cyclist and driver education. Cyclists need to
learn how to cycle properly in traffic, and drivers need to be more aware of
the issues facing cyclists. Lorry and bus drivers are now increasingly being
educated in these areas. As more and more people cycle, more and more of
those cyclists are also drivers so as cyclists they know where drivers are
looking, and as drivers they understand about cyclists, so this in itself
improves road safety. The safety in numbers benefit also increases. 

Factors like this do far more to prevent injury than helmets ever will.


> The longer I read what you say and what you link to the more 
> I doubt my helmet beliefs and choices. I was aware of 
> rotational injuries but was and am still under the impression 
> that a helmet, preferably one with at least a chin bar, can 
> also keep your head or parts of it clear of the edge of a 
> curbstone which I see as the most critical threat around 
> town. I have yet to find any clear statement on that. For now 
> my feeling is precisely some is better than none but that may 
> or may not be true...
> Cheers
> Ecke
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Re: sudden stop

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Franklin"

Subject: Re: sudden stop



On 2010-04-15 15:10, Larry Colen wrote:


In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for
modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to
happen on its own.


Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I 
think ?) to get it to "explode" in a collision.


Also, IIRC, the ones who modified a Chevy Silverado with TNT to show how 
unsafe the sidesaddle gas tanks were.


William Robb 



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Re: PESO: Columbine II

[eckinator]

Mine shows OOF purple/magenta petals rather darkish but especially eye
catching because ULH shades form a rectangle. Could be my screen is
set too bright. IMHO it is prob'ly safe to go ahead and ignore my nit
=)

2010/4/15 Jack Davis :
> Well, as I see it, my screen is pretty much all dark in the ULH corner.(?)
> Thanks for commenting, Ecke!
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Thu, 4/15/10, eckinator  wrote:
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>> From: eckinator 
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Columbine II
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:32 PM
>> Now this is very much to my liking.
>> Only nit, I'd completely blacken
>> the upper left corner. On my screen it is a little dark but
>> I've come
>> to discard that as my screen does as it pleases with no
>> option to
>> adjust. The longer I look at it the more I think this was
>> an ideal
>> situation for off camera fill experiments =)
>> Thanks for sharing
>> Ecke
>>
>> 2010/4/15 Jack Davis :
>> >
>> > Less breeze this AM, so tried it again.
>> >
>> > Comments?
>> >
>> > Jack
>> >
>> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487
>> >
>> > K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held
>> seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: PESO: Columbine II

[Jack Davis]

Well, as I see it, my screen is pretty much all dark in the ULH corner.(?)
Thanks for commenting, Ecke!

Jack

--- On Thu, 4/15/10, eckinator  wrote:

> From: eckinator 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Columbine II
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:32 PM
> Now this is very much to my liking.
> Only nit, I'd completely blacken
> the upper left corner. On my screen it is a little dark but
> I've come
> to discard that as my screen does as it pleases with no
> option to
> adjust. The longer I look at it the more I think this was
> an ideal
> situation for off camera fill experiments =)
> Thanks for sharing
> Ecke
> 
> 2010/4/15 Jack Davis :
> >
> > Less breeze this AM, so tried it again.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487
> >
> > K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held
> seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Columbine II

[Jack Davis]

Appreciated, Ken.

Jack

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> From: Ken Waller 
> Subject: Re: Columbine II
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:36 PM
> Nice capture.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
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> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jack Davis" 
> 
> Subject: PESO: Columbine II
> 
> 
> >
> > Less breeze this AM, so tried it again.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Jack
> >
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> > (unfolded) patio chair.
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Re: PESO: Columbine II

[Jack Davis]

Me and the chair. ;)

Jack

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> Subject: Re: PESO: Columbine II
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:33 PM
> 2010/4/15 Jack Davis :
> >
> > [...] Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio
> chair.
> 
> you or your camera? =P
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Re: sudden stop

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-04-15 15:10, Larry Colen wrote:


In the 60 minutes segment on the problem they were eventually busted for
modifying the car to show the problem when they couldn't get it to
happen on its own.


Weren't they the ones that added a model rocket engine to a Pinto (? I 
think ?) to get it to "explode" in a collision.


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Re: OT: Tax Day in the U.S.

[John Mullan]

I thought Windows Vista service pack 2 came out last October 22.  It's 
called Windows 7.


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Put it off until the last day & e-filed. Not *QUITE* as painful as I 
feared. Had to pay, but a lot less than I expected.


Still I'm in kind of a grumpy mood. All the programs that have to work 
together to e-file don't play nice together anymore & I spent most of my 
time trying to get the screens unlocked.


And it's funny, but I'm having to do more work to get my taxes done now 
that I don't have any money than I did when I was working.


But it's done now, and I'm taking the rest of the day off.

Oh, but to add to my aggrevation, Windows Vista Service Pack 2 just came 
out.


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Re: fa 100mm f2.8 macro or da 77m f1.8 ltd

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-04-14 20:09, Doug Franklin wrote:


Look for the Sigma APO 400mm f/4.5 Macro, for a much more cost conscious


Oops, typo.  It's actually f/5.6, not f/4.5.

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Re: OT: Tax Day in the U.S.

[John Sessoms]

From: Bruce Walker

John Sessoms wrote:
> Put it off until the last day & e-filed. Not *QUITE* as painful as I 
> feared. Had to pay, but a lot less than I expected.
> 
> Still I'm in kind of a grumpy mood. All the programs that have to work 
> together to e-file don't play nice together anymore & I spent most of my 
> time trying to get the screens unlocked.
> 
> And it's funny, but I'm having to do more work to get my taxes done now 
> that I don't have any money than I did when I was working.
> 
> But it's done now, and I'm taking the rest of the day off.
> 
> Oh, but to add to my aggrevation, Windows Vista Service Pack 2 just came 
> out.


Sounds like a perfect storm, John!  You definitely deserve a break. 
Canuck taxes aren't due until the end of the month but I'm sure it's a 
gonna hurt here too.  :-( 


Take your camera outside, I say.

-bmw



Yup. That's where I'm headed RIIIGHT NOW!

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Re: Air Travel Disruption Due to Volcano

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Cotty  wrote:

> An erupting volcano in Iceland is causing severe air travel disruption
> to UK and transatlantic European flights.

Most of the North-Western European airspace is closed by now. This goes
for the whole of Scandinavia, the UK and Ireand, Netherlands, Belgium,
Northern France, Northern Germany and it's still moving South. 

Just listened to the local tower frequency and they literally sent
planes from the last stretch of taxiway, just short of the runway, back
to the terminal because Berlin approach just signalled they wouldn't
accept any further incoming flights. Never heard anything like this.

They're expecting Dusseldorf, Cologne and Francfort to close later this
night. 

Ralf

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Re: Columbine II

[Ken Waller]

Nice capture.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" 


Subject: PESO: Columbine II




Less breeze this AM, so tried it again.

Comments?

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=487

K20, DA 55~...@300, f/8, 1/2000, ISO 400, Hand held seated in a folding 
(unfolded) patio chair.



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Re: sudden stop

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Walker" 


Subject: Re: sudden stop



John Sessoms wrote:

Several others as well.

The Toyota case became notable for the same reason the Audi case became 
notable. They started off by denying it was happening at all, then tried 
to blame it all on driver error, and were eventually forced into a recall 
to fix the problem.


Not to be too pedantic, but as I recall (no pun intended), the Audi case 
was never *proven* to be Audi's problem.  It seems much more likely it was 
driver error by a rather hysterical person.


The U.S., Canadian & Japanese government investigated 100's of various 
vehicles and all came to the same conclusion - there was no vehicle 
malfunction - it was operator error caused by pedal misapplication.




But because Audi was unable to positively prove driver error it ultimately 
resulted in them discontinuing the model line in question (the 100 and 
90?) and starting the A4, A6, A8 line to replace it. They installed the 
now standard "can't shift xmission until brakes are applied" interlock. 
That doesn't actually "fix" the probably non-existent "problem", but it 
(a) shows the public that Audi has "done something", and (b) makes the 
alleged incident completely impossible in future.  That worked as Audi's 
sales are excellent these days.


The Audi 'problem' was sudden unwanted acceleration from a stop. What 
appears to be the issue with some of the Toyota issues is a sudden, unwanted 
acceleration while the vehicle is in motion - totally different.


The 'Audi' fix requires the operator to have his foot on the brakes pedal 
before shifting the auto trans into gear.




I'm sure I'll be corrected (and over-corrected) if any of that isn't quite 
right. ;-)


Just as you predicted...



-bmw

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Re: PESO: Columbine II

[eckinator]

2010/4/15 Jack Davis :
>
> [...] Hand held seated in a folding (unfolded) patio chair.

you or your camera? =P

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