Re: Time torture tests four cameras

[David J Brooks]

Yes but can it blend

Dave

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> Including the Pentax W-90. Not much of a test, but somewhat amusing.
>
> http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,85466556001_1989271,00.html?xid=aol-direct
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Re: I'm so excited- and I just can't hide it...

[Paul Sorenson]

Darren -

I don't remember what the issue was, but if you go here:

http://www.pentaximaging.com/support/manuals-and-literature/

you can download the latest firmware version to install.

-p

On 5/17/2010 11:41 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:

Anybody remember the Pointer Sisters? That's my theme song today as I
sold a rare vintage Takumar lens over the weekend JUST in time to find
a deal on a 1150 shutter-activations "Stormtrooper" K-x kit. I love my
K200D, but it will be on the block soon in order to recharge the ol'
Paypal account.

I'll miss the BG-3 grip and the remote shutter socket and the
weather/dust sealing, but am looking forward to the Sony Exmor sensor
and the excellent high ISO performance. I'm not sure if I'm going to
really like the "Stormtrooper" color scheme or not. If I were ordering
one new, I probably would have gone with Basic Black.

A couple of questions: The K200D and the K-x use the same focusing
screen size, correct? I got a Nikon screen for my K200D for help with
MF lenses and will switch that into the K-x assuming they are the same
size.

Secondly, I think I remember reading about SOME sort of problems with
some early K-x models. Was that addressed with a firmware update? What
checks should I put it through to make sure I don't have one with
those problems?

Thanks in advance for any answers!

Darren Addy
Kearney, NE

   




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PESO: Should I?

[Jerry in Arizona]

Pentax K20D, DA 3.5-5.6 18-55 18-55mm

Taken outside a tattoo/piercing parlor in San Francisco Haight Ashbury district 
last December.  Was she trying to decide on a tattoo or being pierced?

Same place I had my ear pierced that day.

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Re: PESO: Chicago - Central Camera

[Bob Sullivan]

Jay,
That's the Central Camera I know and love.
Did you catch it at open or close?
It is such a funky location under the 'EL' tracks,
and your colors compliment that uniqueness.
I hope you went inside as well.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Tom C  wrote:
> It's a thumbs up from me Jay.  Saturation lends itself to the subject
> and I like the surreal feeling.
>
> Tom C.
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM,   wrote:
>> I had an absolute blast last week in Chicago!
>> Huge thanks to Mark and Christine for all their hard work and dedication to 
>> make
>> the exhibit a reality. So good to meet you PDML'ers that were there. You all 
>> are an
>> awesome group of very talented folks.
>> I haven't had much time to process many of the images I had taken, but here 
>> is one.
>> Hope too many aren't anti-HDR because that is what I'm into these days.
>> I'll be posting some more shots and thoughts from the trip this weekend.
>>
>> JayT
>>
>> http://www.jaytaylorphotography.com/Architecture/1D-Mark-II-Images/Central-Camera-
>> HDR/861292851_BAmYo-XL.jpg
>>
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Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

[Bob Sullivan]

Tom,
That's a great skyline shot.
I was so focused on not getting a parking ticket at 9 pm
that I forgot all about going to the bar for the skyline.
I hope Boris and Jostein can for give me.
We should have stopped for a drink.
That shot proves it!
Regards,  Bob S.

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> After the exhibit opening, many of us went to the roof for a look at downtown.
>
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Re: PESO: Fence Dance

[Bob Sullivan]

Jack,
I have nothing so big, but I'd drag out the A400/5.6 or A300/4 and the
1.7x AF converter.
Just pick a prime over the zoom.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> The desire simply isn't there to justify the cost.
> I dealt with an "A" 300mm f/2.8 and 1.4L T/C, packed snugly in its own trunk 
> case, for several years. I'm still worn out. ;)
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
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>> From: Bruce Dayton 
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:11 PM
>> I can certainly see where Jack is
>> coming from.  Unless you are going
>> to get seriously into wildlife, a 300-400 is about as long
>> as you'll
>> want to deal with.  About the only other thing I could
>> think of for
>> Jack might be a fast enough 300 to allow a 1.4
>> converter.  That is
>> what I have and use - 100-300/4, but then, I got it for
>> shooting
>> sports mostly.
>>
>> I don't think I would want to deal with the real big glass
>> just yet.
>>
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>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:46:35 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> BS> Jack,
>> BS> You're sitting in your back yard.
>> BS> How far would you have to 'tote' a long lens???
>> BS> Regards, Bob S.
>>
>> BS> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Jack Davis 
>> wrote:
>> >> This is as "long" a lens as I have any interest in
>> tottin'.
>> >> This light wight, decent performing, 450mm
>> equivalent does it for me.
>> >> Thanks for commenting.
>> >>
>> >> Jack
>> >>
>> >> --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bob Sullivan 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From: Bob Sullivan 
>> >>> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance
>> >>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> >>> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:18 PM
>> >>> Very nice Jack, time to break out the
>> >>> long lens...
>> >>> Regards,  Bob S.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jack Davis
>> 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > Was still reclining on the patio Chaise
>> with K20 in
>> >>> hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right
>> now and quite
>> >>> active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying
>> their Nyger,
>> >>> Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that
>> activity may
>> >>> have attracted this party. Got him, between
>> yawns, in mid
>> >>> stride as he turned to depart.
>> >>> > Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of
>> the
>> >>> frame.(?)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Comments?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Jack
>> >>> >
>> >>> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503
>> >>> >
>> >>> > K20, da55~...@300mm, f/8, 1/1500, ISO
>> 400
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
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Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

[Ann Sanfedele]

I think he meant "Ophra" ;-)

Nice shot Tom,  steady hands or you used the railing   


ann
(working on her GESO)




paul stenquist wrote:


On May 17, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 


Did you happen to run in to Opera?

Jack

   



He wouldn't have passed the Opera on that route. The Lyric Opera House of 
Chicago is on North Wacker.
Paul
 


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From: Tom C 
Subject: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:47 PM
After the exhibit opening, many of us
went to the roof for a look at downtown.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11021659&size=lg

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Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

[John Sessoms]

I think if it were my image I'd combine "Round 2" with the original as a 
layer and apply a layer mask to confine the lightened area to the water 
behind the dam and the one foreground tree on the lower right, leaving 
the rest of the image as original.


The darkness of the rocks and the shadowed face makes the rainbow pop 
out for me, but the lighter water works in the impoundment area.



From: Jack Davis

I think the original is more dramatic and concentrates the viewer's attention 
on the falls.

Jack

--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bruce Dayton  wrote:


> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 1:21 PM
> After multiple comments I have made a
> version that is lighter.? As I
> look at them, I still prefer the original.
> 
> Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water

> and
> surrounding rocks and trees:
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-2.htm
> 
> Original:

> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-1.htm
> 
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Re: PESO-Clementine Rainbow

[John Sessoms]

From: "Daniel J. Matyola"

That would be a moonbow.

Dan

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Bruce,
> I've never seen a nighttime rainbow...


Possible.

Lower Yosemite Falls produces them. Also Cumberland Falls State Resort 
in Kentucky, Luna Island at Niagara Falls State Park and Waimea on 
Hawaii's Big Island.


Info on-line says the color doesn't show up to the naked eye. The color 
is too faint to activate the color cones so it just appears as a white 
bow, but long exposures will reveal the colors.


No reason why mist from that spillway couldn't produce one if the 
alignment was right.


According to Wikipedia, Durham, North Carolina is another "Famous 
natural moonbow location". I grew up there and can't for the life of me 
figure out where in Durham it would be?


Google doesn't help. Every hit that refers to Durham being a location to 
observe moonbows refers back to the Wikipedia article sooner or later.


I'll have to look around a bit next time I head over there.

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Re: Leica M9

[Jack Davis]

A "good" rangefinder? Perhaps as rangefinders go..

Jack 

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> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 6:39 PM
> Good rangefinders are wonderful.
> Especially for us old guys with bad eyes.
> Paul
> 
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> > 
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> >>> inevitable result?
> >> 
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Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

[Jack Davis]

Oh! I see. How about the Oprah house? Maybe if I watched her show...

Jack 

--- On Mon, 5/17/10, paul stenquist  wrote:

> From: paul stenquist 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 6:38 PM
> 
> On May 17, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> > Did you happen to run in to Opera?
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> 
> He wouldn't have passed the Opera on that route. The Lyric
> Opera House of Chicago is on North Wacker.
> Paul
> > --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Tom C 
> wrote:
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> >> From: Tom C 
> >> Subject: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:47 PM
> >> After the exhibit opening, many of us
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Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

[Bruce Dayton]

Nice skyline shot.  I really like the upper lighting - very unusual.

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TC> After the exhibit opening, many of us went to the roof for a look at 
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Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

[paul stenquist]

Very nice. Makes me homesick.
Paul


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> After the exhibit opening, many of us went to the roof for a look at downtown.
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Re: Leica M9

[paul stenquist]

Good rangefinders are wonderful. Especially for us old guys with bad eyes.
Paul

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> I don't play well with Rangefinders. ugh!
> 
> Jack
> 
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>> Subject: Re: Leica M9
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:31 PM
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>> - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins"
>> Subject: Re: Leica M9
>> 
>> 
>>> I assume that you do have sufficient liquid assets to
>> take care of the
>>> inevitable result?
>> 
>> No, and as nice as it is, and make no mistake, it is a
>> thing of great beauty, it would be totally lost on me.
>> But it sure has a nice viewfinder.
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Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

[paul stenquist]

On May 17, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Did you happen to run in to Opera?
> 
> Jack
> 

He wouldn't have passed the Opera on that route. The Lyric Opera House of 
Chicago is on North Wacker.
Paul
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>> From: Tom C 
>> Subject: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:47 PM
>> After the exhibit opening, many of us
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Re: Chicago

[Fernando]

Every time I hear about intent I remember this piece of "Genius of
Photography" and the NY police crime scene shots. There was no intent
of making art, but this can be considered art nonetheless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I8KljdoZM0

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:17 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> On 5/12/2010 10:09 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> On May 12, 2010, at 9:19 AM, William Robb wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist"
>>> Subject: Re: Chicago
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
 Invoking an emotional response is artistry in its highest form.
>>>
>>> When Tom and I were driving to the hotel on Thursday, a station wagon
>>> being driven in an erratic and dangerous manner invoked a fairly extreme
>>> emotional response from both of us.
>>> I hadn't thought of bad driving as being an art form before this
>>> moment.
>>>
>>
>> Well, it can be.
>
> I think this is as good a place for my comment in this discussion.  For it
> to actually be Art there has to be _describable_ intent on the part of the
> /Artist/.  That usually, but doesn't always, requires a certain level of
> craftsmanship.  So I guess intentional bad driving is Art, while
> unintentional bad driving isn't.  Extrapolate to the rest of the universe at
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Re: Leica M9

[Jack Davis]

I don't play well with Rangefinders. ugh!

Jack

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> Subject: Re: Leica M9
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:31 PM
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> - Original Message - From: "Steven Desjardins"
> Subject: Re: Leica M9
> 
> 
> > I assume that you do have sufficient liquid assets to
> take care of the
> > inevitable result?
> 
> No, and as nice as it is, and make no mistake, it is a
> thing of great beauty, it would be totally lost on me.
> But it sure has a nice viewfinder.
> 
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Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

[Jack Davis]

Did you happen to run in to Opera?

Jack

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> From: Tom C 
> Subject: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:47 PM
> After the exhibit opening, many of us
> went to the roof for a look at downtown.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11021659&size=lg
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Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"

Subject: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick


After the exhibit opening, many of us went to the roof for a look at 
downtown.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11021659&size=lg



You left a light on in the room.

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Re: Leica M9

[drd1135]

I'm sure it has been held by far less capable hands. It is expensive however. 
Still, it makes me feel oddly good that Leica has made the transition to 
digital. 
-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: Leica M9


>I assume that you do have sufficient liquid assets to take care of the
> inevitable result?

No, and as nice as it is, and make no mistake, it is a thing of great 
beauty, it would be totally lost on me.
But it sure has a nice viewfinder.

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Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

[Tom C]

I prefer original over light and crispy.

Tom C.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> After multiple comments I have made a version that is lighter.  As I
> look at them, I still prefer the original.
>
> Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water and
> surrounding rocks and trees:
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-2.htm
>
> Original:
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-1.htm
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PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

[Tom C]

After the exhibit opening, many of us went to the roof for a look at downtown.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11021659&size=lg

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Re: OT - fine art photo blog taking guest submissions

[Tom C]

I like it!

Tom C.

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> I read (or rather look at the [photos) from time to time.
> http://www.fineartphotoblog.com/news/now-accepting-guest-contributions
>
> Here is mine:
> http://www.fineartphotoblog.com/minimalism/dune
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Re: PESO: Chicago - Central Camera

[Tom C]

It's a thumbs up from me Jay.  Saturation lends itself to the subject
and I like the surreal feeling.

Tom C.

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM,   wrote:
> I had an absolute blast last week in Chicago!
> Huge thanks to Mark and Christine for all their hard work and dedication to 
> make
> the exhibit a reality. So good to meet you PDML'ers that were there. You all 
> are an
> awesome group of very talented folks.
> I haven't had much time to process many of the images I had taken, but here 
> is one.
> Hope too many aren't anti-HDR because that is what I'm into these days.
> I'll be posting some more shots and thoughts from the trip this weekend.
>
> JayT
>
> http://www.jaytaylorphotography.com/Architecture/1D-Mark-II-Images/Central-Camera-
> HDR/861292851_BAmYo-XL.jpg
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Re: Leica M9

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Desjardins"

Subject: Re: Leica M9



I assume that you do have sufficient liquid assets to take care of the
inevitable result?


No, and as nice as it is, and make no mistake, it is a thing of great 
beauty, it would be totally lost on me.

But it sure has a nice viewfinder.

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Re: PESO: Fence Dance

[Jack Davis]

The desire simply isn't there to justify the cost. 
I dealt with an "A" 300mm f/2.8 and 1.4L T/C, packed snugly in its own trunk 
case, for several years. I'm still worn out. ;)

Jack

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> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 4:11 PM
> I can certainly see where Jack is
> coming from.  Unless you are going
> to get seriously into wildlife, a 300-400 is about as long
> as you'll
> want to deal with.  About the only other thing I could
> think of for
> Jack might be a fast enough 300 to allow a 1.4
> converter.  That is
> what I have and use - 100-300/4, but then, I got it for
> shooting
> sports mostly.
> 
> I don't think I would want to deal with the real big glass
> just yet.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:46:35 PM, you wrote:
> 
> BS> Jack,
> BS> You're sitting in your back yard.
> BS> How far would you have to 'tote' a long lens???
> BS> Regards, Bob S.
> 
> BS> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> >> This is as "long" a lens as I have any interest in
> tottin'.
> >> This light wight, decent performing, 450mm
> equivalent does it for me.
> >> Thanks for commenting.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >>
> >> --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bob Sullivan 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Bob Sullivan 
> >>> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance
> >>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >>> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:18 PM
> >>> Very nice Jack, time to break out the
> >>> long lens...
> >>> Regards,  Bob S.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jack Davis
> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Was still reclining on the patio Chaise
> with K20 in
> >>> hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right
> now and quite
> >>> active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying
> their Nyger,
> >>> Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that
> activity may
> >>> have attracted this party. Got him, between
> yawns, in mid
> >>> stride as he turned to depart.
> >>> > Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of
> the
> >>> frame.(?)
> >>> >
> >>> > Comments?
> >>> >
> >>> > Jack
> >>> >
> >>> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503
> >>> >
> >>> > K20, da55~...@300mm, f/8, 1/1500, ISO
> 400
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
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Re: PESO: Fence Dance

[Jack Davis]

Several feet! ;)

Jack

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> From: Bob Sullivan 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:46 PM
> Jack,
> You're sitting in your back yard.
> How far would you have to 'tote' a long lens???
> Regards, Bob S.
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> > This is as "long" a lens as I have any interest in
> tottin'.
> > This light wight, decent performing, 450mm equivalent
> does it for me.
> > Thanks for commenting.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bob Sullivan 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Bob Sullivan 
> >> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:18 PM
> >> Very nice Jack, time to break out the
> >> long lens...
> >> Regards,  Bob S.
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jack Davis 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with
> K20 in
> >> hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right now
> and quite
> >> active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying
> their Nyger,
> >> Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that
> activity may
> >> have attracted this party. Got him, between yawns,
> in mid
> >> stride as he turned to depart.
> >> > Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of the
> >> frame.(?)
> >> >
> >> > Comments?
> >> >
> >> > Jack
> >> >
> >> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503
> >> >
> >> > K20, da55~...@300mm, f/8, 1/1500, ISO 400
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: PESO: Fence Dance

[Bruce Dayton]

I can certainly see where Jack is coming from.  Unless you are going
to get seriously into wildlife, a 300-400 is about as long as you'll
want to deal with.  About the only other thing I could think of for
Jack might be a fast enough 300 to allow a 1.4 converter.  That is
what I have and use - 100-300/4, but then, I got it for shooting
sports mostly.

I don't think I would want to deal with the real big glass just yet.

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Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:46:35 PM, you wrote:

BS> Jack,
BS> You're sitting in your back yard.
BS> How far would you have to 'tote' a long lens???
BS> Regards, Bob S.

BS> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> This is as "long" a lens as I have any interest in tottin'.
>> This light wight, decent performing, 450mm equivalent does it for me.
>> Thanks for commenting.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>>
>>> From: Bob Sullivan 
>>> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:18 PM
>>> Very nice Jack, time to break out the
>>> long lens...
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jack Davis 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in
>>> hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right now and quite
>>> active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying their Nyger,
>>> Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that activity may
>>> have attracted this party. Got him, between yawns, in mid
>>> stride as he turned to depart.
>>> > Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of the
>>> frame.(?)
>>> >
>>> > Comments?
>>> >
>>> > Jack
>>> >
>>> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503
>>> >
>>> > K20, da55~...@300mm, f/8, 1/1500, ISO 400
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: Augenblick gallery

[Ann Sanfedele]

Doug Franklin wrote:


On 2010-05-16 22:06, Stan Halpin wrote:


I think that a longer run for the show is a fine idea. But Sue really
should poll each of the contributors and pull any images which a
contributor wants back sooner. For example, how are the sales handled?



I don't know how common it is, because I've only bought from a gallery 
a couple of times, and always as a friend-of-a-friend of the gallery 
owner.  That said, I've been offered discounts to leave the piece with 
the gallery until the end of the run at that gallery, and bigger 
discounts to leave the piece with the show until the 
multi-city/country run ends.  That was my only two gallery 
transactions, both in Darmstadt, Germany, in the mid 90s. 



I'd be surprised if anyone in this show would not be pleased to have the 
exhibit extended, especially since it is only open one day a week

except for views by arrangement.

In shows I have been in in NY  all sales were completed at the end of 
the exhibit and paid for when the photo's were picked up by the buyer or 
paid for ahead of time if they were to be shipped.  


Ann


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Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion

[Tom C]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> God forbid I should pay a serious compliment to PJ,(;-)) but your Surf Club
> is on of your best shots, I think.
>
> Ann
>

William Robb, would you please forbid Ann.  Thanks. Amen.

Tom C.

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Re: Chicago

[steve harley]

On 2010-05-17 16:47 , P. J. Alling wrote:

On 5/17/2010 6:41 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2010-05-17 10:17 , P. J. Alling wrote:

I think this is as good a place for my comment in this discussion. For
it to actually be Art there has to be _describable_ intent on the part
of the /Artist/.


that's a thoughtful point, but i do believe there is art made with the
"intent" of having no intent, e.g. Zen calligraphy



Isn't that intent none the less?


that's a koan: if you meet your intent in the road, kill it

in many branches of buddhism, "egoless art" is considered a practice 
whose realization, as in meditation, cannot come from striving


but there is still a strong sense of upliftedness which can come from 
beautiful things around us, and there is a value in creating 
upliftedness, especially for others


i would perhaps treat "intent" in your definition of art as a reasonable 
placeholder for a broader concept; at the moment i can't quite put words 
to that concept, however



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Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion

[Ann Sanfedele]

P. J. Alling wrote:


On 5/11/2010 2:27 AM, Cotty wrote:


On 10/5/10, Tim Bray, discombobulated, unleashed:
 


Here are a few that I particularly regret not having seen lovingly
rendered on those walls:

"Help" - AnnSan - intensity and grace
"Surf Club" - P.J. Alling - the exposition of space is pure poetry
"Holy Water" - Pasvorn Boonmark - a totally astounding picture; I keep
going back to look again
"Rowboats, Padstow" - Cotty - an uncluttered hymn to curvature
"Tree in Field" - Steven Sharpe - it's a haiku
"Piano Player" - Dario Bonazza - almost too intense to look at,
illustration by subtraction
"Ratlines and Rigging" - Paul Sorenson - infinite detail at perfect 
rest

"Deputy" - John Andrew Celio - what a face



Thats very kind Tim, but I declined to offer my shot to the show for the
simple reason of cost.
  



Cheers,
   Cotty

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--  http://www.cottysnaps.com
_



Same here.

=
Well my other shot was in the show - no one had two in.  It was left to 
the curator, of course,
to select what she thought would work best at the site...  I kinda 
thought "help" would be
more likely to have been purchased  and was gratified to hear, when I 
met Sue, that she
had a hard time deciding which of the two to use  :-)  I wasn't 
confident enought ot submit only
"help" for the book.   Piano Player and Cotty's boats were especially 
faves of mine when I saw the whole book.
God forbid I should pay a serious compliment to PJ,(;-)) but your Surf 
Club is on of your best shots, I think.


Ann

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Re: PESO: Fence Dance

[Bob Sullivan]

Jack,
You're sitting in your back yard.
How far would you have to 'tote' a long lens???
Regards, Bob S.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> This is as "long" a lens as I have any interest in tottin'.
> This light wight, decent performing, 450mm equivalent does it for me.
> Thanks for commenting.
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
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>> From: Bob Sullivan 
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:18 PM
>> Very nice Jack, time to break out the
>> long lens...
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jack Davis 
>> wrote:
>> > Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in
>> hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right now and quite
>> active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying their Nyger,
>> Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that activity may
>> have attracted this party. Got him, between yawns, in mid
>> stride as he turned to depart.
>> > Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of the
>> frame.(?)
>> >
>> > Comments?
>> >
>> > Jack
>> >
>> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503
>> >
>> > K20, da55~...@300mm, f/8, 1/1500, ISO 400
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Re: Chicago

[P. J. Alling]

On 5/17/2010 6:41 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2010-05-17 10:17 , P. J. Alling wrote:

I think this is as good a place for my comment in this discussion. For
it to actually be Art there has to be _describable_ intent on the part
of the /Artist/.


that's a thoughtful point, but i do believe there is art made with the 
"intent" of having no intent, e.g. Zen calligraphy




Isn't that intent none the less?

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Re: Chicago

[steve harley]

On 2010-05-17 10:17 , P. J. Alling wrote:

I think this is as good a place for my comment in this discussion. For
it to actually be Art there has to be _describable_ intent on the part
of the /Artist/.


that's a thoughtful point, but i do believe there is art made with the 
"intent" of having no intent, e.g. Zen calligraphy



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Re: Geso Photo day at Pickering Horse Centre (big one)

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Bob. I was a bit worried about those darkish spots, but i'm
pretty sure i can do some fill in LR.
Oh, and these were unadjusted as well, that may have some bearing

Dave

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Dave,
> That's quite a lot of pictures!
> Obviously, the girls love their horses.
> And the horses had ears up in almost every shot.
> I thought the horses showed best against the lighter colored foliage,
> Otherwise their ears tended to disappear into the dark.
> (more fill light in lightroom?)
> The kid with his helmit on was a smile among the girls -
> 'Yes this is a guy thing and dangerous, I have to wear a helmit.'
> Some of the horses by themselves were beautiful.
> Your client should really like those shots.
> They'll be great memories in the future.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:17 PM, eckinator  wrote:
>> 2010/5/17 Cotty :
>>> On 16/5/10, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
Any way, for those that want to have a gander:

http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2010-phc1/album/index.html
>>>
>>> Dave mate I'll tell you where you're going wrong, just sod the horses
>>> and shoot the girls mate :-)))
>>
>> Just counting clicks I say he was looking at the girls more anyway...
>> and I'll wager my lunch money Emily was your fave, Dave?
>> Cheers
>> Ecke
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Re: PESO: Fence Dance

[Jack Davis]

This is as "long" a lens as I have any interest in tottin'.
This light wight, decent performing, 450mm equivalent does it for me.
Thanks for commenting.

Jack

--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> From: Bob Sullivan 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:18 PM
> Very nice Jack, time to break out the
> long lens...
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> > Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in
> hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right now and quite
> active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying their Nyger,
> Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that activity may
> have attracted this party. Got him, between yawns, in mid
> stride as he turned to depart.
> > Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of the
> frame.(?)
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503
> >
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RE: Used glass

[Brian Walters]

On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:17 +0100, "Bob W"  wrote:
> > 
> > I picked up that Tamron 300/2.8 from my friend Chuck today.
> > It turns out he bought it from some guy named John Francis.
> > 
> 
> A good lens is like syphilis - you get it from your friends.
> 



...which puts me in mind of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDeRYmB4t6Q



Cheers

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RE: PESO: Fence Dance

[Jack Davis]

In my bird book, I find it pictured and identified as a Mockingbird. 
Mockingbirds are also named under the heading of Wagtail.(?)
Thanks, Bob for generous comments. 

Jack

--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bob W  wrote:

> From: Bob W 
> Subject: RE: PESO: Fence Dance
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:28 PM
> > Was still reclining on the patio
> Chaise with K20 in hand. 
> > Mocking Birds are in full voice right now and quite
> active. 
> > We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying their Nyger,
> Nyjer, 
> > Niger feeder at any one time and that activity may
> have 
> > attracted this party. Got him, between yawns, in mid
> stride 
> > as he turned to depart.
> > Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of the
> frame.(?)
> > 
> > Comments?
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503
> > 
> 
> It's a beautiful and interesting shot, and the crop hasn't
> done it much
> harm. 
> 
> Is that a mockingbird? I've never seen one. It looks quite
> similar to a pied
> wagtail, and reminds me that as I left the office today I
> saw a pair of
> wagtails in a delightful flying kind of dance around each
> other. I assume
> it's some kind of courtship behaviour, or perhaps they were
> chasing the same
> insect, but it was an unusual close formation tumbling,
> circling kind of
> flight - fascinating to watch.
> 
> Bob
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Re: PESO Tilted is the new level

[eckinator]

2010/5/17 eckinator :
>
> I'll post a few gear pics later today and add some explanations

Here you go now. My kit. A combination of eBay steals and I'm so happy
I finally get around to play with it extensively.

My biggest problem at this time is that framing and focus change every
time I adjust tilt, i.e. focal plane or shift, i.e. perspective
correction. Presently I have sitting on my ballhead/qr base one macro
rail which holds an L bracket with a panorama plate attached to it
which then holds the bellows. All parts are Novoflex Q quick release
so I can change the setup around as I proceed to learn. I came up with
the pano plate idea because as you can see my tripod has no center
column nor do the legs lock in every position so there is no easy on
the fly height adjustment. The combination of a rail running at an
angle with the pano plate, all parts moving also forwards and
backwards in their respective clamps, gives limited height adjustment
and at the same time lets me rotate the camera/bellows/lens assembly
to reframe after tilting.

One or actually the only weakness of the BalPro T/S is that the rear
standart doesn't move well on the carrier rail because it isn't gear
driven. Fine adjustment is simply not possibly so you have to move the
entire assembly instead and then refocus using the lens standart. My
main learning curve at this time is to observe and understand the
impact of adjustments on framing and focus. Focal plane adjustment is
pretty simple once you get the hang of it. Once back on a regular
paycheque I hope to get another rail for sideways adjustments which
would let me frame laterally without moving the tripod. Luckily that
stuff is all relatively light.

For this shot, the relatively extreme tilt angles meant I was grabbing
light close to the outer edge of the image circle of the Copal 0
diameter large format lens I was using; it has a 59° angle of view and
I was decentering by 27°. Also this means lighting falloff as the
bellows extends plus a little more for tilt. I find IQ amazing for
that and was very pleased with the viewfinder image. Focus
confirmation was only moderately helpful. I focused using my eyes and
the screen.

I have another Copal 0 lens board so I am hoping to pick up another
lens eventually. Reason: this lens lets me focus to infinity but at
that setting there is no room for tilt, only very limited shift. A
slightly longer lens would let me do that. When I picked up the
bellows, I also grabbed a Pentax 67 camera adaptor for it but got
outbid on the 67 lens board. Have yet to meet the free camera fairy
though before I can think of shooting medium format film...

Next step I'll try to find an adaptor plate that lets me put the rail
between tripod and balhead to see if that is any better for framing.
Also, the tripod has mount holes for flexible arms to which I can
attach items such as reflectors, flashes, plane indicators to get the
Scheimpflug adjustment done faster. The goal of it all is to be able
to do it faster. Once I can set it up quickly to where and what I
want, I can more easily try different angles etc. and learn how to use
the extra DOF in framing.

There is also an interesting option to be gained from inverting tilt
as well as axial roation of assembly planes vs. subject plane - you
can create a sharp wedge running across the subject at almost any
angle, I've yet to learn that but I have some pretty good instructions
=)

Cheers
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Re: Leica M9

[Steven Desjardins]

I assume that you do have sufficient liquid assets to take care of the
inevitable result?

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, William Robb  wrote:
> I had the opportunity to play with one this morning.
> It and a little 35mm lens that reminded me somewhat of a Pentax Limited
> lens, except a lot nicer.
> My pusher, bless his heart, is going to try to get the company demo model
> for me so that I can have it to play with for a few days.
> Nothing exciting, I just wanted to share that.
>
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Re: Cleaning Sensors

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On May 17, 2010, at 16:27, Toine wrote:

> Inside a can of "air" you can hear and feel a liquid It can't be
> compressed liguid air see:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol_spray
> 
> You would need something like this:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_cylinder
> 
> The stuff you force inside your camera is an aerosol. At best it's a
> very pure aerosol, most likely it's not. Spray a little "air" on a
> clean UV filter and most likely it's dirty after cleaning.
> 

To elaborate, from Falconsafety.com (makers, I think, of the popular "Dust Off" 
brand):

"The Dust-Off brand offers two types of products: General Use and Special 
Application, while they function the same, the contents are different.

In the General Use Dusters, difluoroethane or 152a is the liquefied gas used as 
the propellant for generating the pressurized cleaning blast. The product is 
not flammable in accordance with flame extension tests outlined by the Consumer 
Product Safety Commission, however, under certain extreme circumstances it can 
be ignited.

In the Special Application Dusters, tetrafluoroethane or 134a is the liquefied 
gas used as the propellant for generating the pressurized cleaning blast. This 
product is 100% non-flammable and is used in sensitive environments like 
laboratories where the blast may be dispensed near a Bunson burner."

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RE: PAW19 - May 17

[Bob W]

Ah, thankyou! That explains why I saw a Norwegian woman and children in
their national costume this morning at London Bridge station. 

Bob


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> balloons and kids, as some invisible who prefer something 
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Re: Cleaning Sensors

[Toine]

Inside a can of "air" you can hear and feel a liquid It can't be
compressed liguid air see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol_spray

You would need something like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_cylinder

The stuff you force inside your camera is an aerosol. At best it's a
very pure aerosol, most likely it's not. Spray a little "air" on a
clean UV filter and most likely it's dirty after cleaning.

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RE: PESO: Fence Dance

[Bob W]

> Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in hand. 
> Mocking Birds are in full voice right now and quite active. 
> We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying their Nyger, Nyjer, 
> Niger feeder at any one time and that activity may have 
> attracted this party. Got him, between yawns, in mid stride 
> as he turned to depart.
> Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of the frame.(?)
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Jack
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503
> 

It's a beautiful and interesting shot, and the crop hasn't done it much
harm. 

Is that a mockingbird? I've never seen one. It looks quite similar to a pied
wagtail, and reminds me that as I left the office today I saw a pair of
wagtails in a delightful flying kind of dance around each other. I assume
it's some kind of courtship behaviour, or perhaps they were chasing the same
insect, but it was an unusual close formation tumbling, circling kind of
flight - fascinating to watch.

Bob


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Re: Used glass

[Larry Colen]

On 5/16/2010 6:01 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I picked up that Tamron 300/2.8 from my friend Chuck today.
It turns out he bought it from some guy named John Francis.


The lens has a knob on it to keep the lens from rotating in the tripod 
mount collar. One of the screws holding that knob on is broken, so the 
lens can't be locked down from rotating.  If I could get the collar off, 
it would be trivial to replace that screw.


Is there anyplace in the bay area that people would recommend for doing 
that job?  I know one camera repair place on Bascom in San Jose.  While 
I'm at it, would it be worth investing in a CLA of the lens?





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Re: PESO: Fence Dance

[Bob Sullivan]

Very nice Jack, time to break out the long lens...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in hand. Mocking Birds are 
> in full voice right now and quite active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches 
> emptying their Nyger, Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that activity 
> may have attracted this party. Got him, between yawns, in mid stride as he 
> turned to depart.
> Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of the frame.(?)
>
> Comments?
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503
>
> K20, da55~...@300mm, f/8, 1/1500, ISO 400
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Re: Augenblick gallery

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-05-16 22:06, Stan Halpin wrote:

I think that a longer run for the show is a fine idea. But Sue really
should poll each of the contributors and pull any images which a
contributor wants back sooner. For example, how are the sales handled?


I don't know how common it is, because I've only bought from a gallery a 
couple of times, and always as a friend-of-a-friend of the gallery 
owner.  That said, I've been offered discounts to leave the piece with 
the gallery until the end of the run at that gallery, and bigger 
discounts to leave the piece with the show until the multi-city/country 
run ends.  That was my only two gallery transactions, both in Darmstadt, 
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PAW19 - May 17

[DagT]

A Norwegian National holiday full of large crowds, flags, balloons and kids, as 
some invisible who prefer something else
http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA*50-135mm, @50mm, 1/125, f/11, ISO200

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http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/page7.html

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Re: Tamron 18-250

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-05-16 15:07, Toine wrote:


The current version must also function as a piston, I'm
wondering how much dust it sucks in and out...


That's one of the reasons I stick almost completely to prime lenses when 
I'm shooting at the races.  Between the dust and stuff the cars kick up, 
the aerosols they emit, the tire smoke, ..., I figure there's just way 
too much stuff out there for a zoom lens to pump in and out.


Oddly enough, I've never had problems with dust on the sensor, even 
though I change lenses a couple of dozen times a day at the races.


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PESO: Fence Dance

[Jack Davis]

Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in hand. Mocking Birds are in 
full voice right now and quite active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying 
their Nyger, Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that activity may have 
attracted this party. Got him, between yawns, in mid stride as he turned to 
depart.
Really heavy crop. Possibly a quarter of the frame.(?)

Comments?

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=503

K20, da55~...@300mm, f/8, 1/1500, ISO 400




  

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Re: Book, Exhibit and Chicago Galleries

[Joseph McAllister]

Well put. Well felt. And if I may, I'll steal the prose in an effort  
to allow my poor fingertips to heal.



On May 11, 2010, at 20:10 , Rob Studdert wrote:


Hi Team,

It's been a big couple of weeks on this little mail list, there has
been a lot of posts that I'd have liked to reply to but unfortunately
I don't have that much spare time at the moment so I hope the
following serves to indicate my appreciation.

Yesterday I received my copy of the PDML Annual 2009, it's a hardcover
ImageWrap version, ordered 23 April, curiously shipped from Sweden
(Priority shipping option). I've just had a chance to cruise though it
in a more leisurely fashion and I really enjoyed the book and its
contents.

A big congratulations to all the image contributors, there are so many
great images to study and enjoy, huge thanks to Mark and the editorial
team for putting in the time and care. The book design and execution
is excellent and leaves little to be desired, the Blurb production
quality is also very good. Very satisfying in all.

The layout in the DANK-Haus gallery looked functional and attractive,
what a huge effort, thanks Christine and team. The live video feed
from the gallery was a terrific idea and provided the on-line
participants a little of the feel of the evening. Of course it would
have been great to have been there but the live chat became a fun
little alternate forum for sporadic camaraderie and jest. I enjoyed
Cotty's video production too, thanks again everyone involved.

Finally the almost overwhelming stream of post Chicago GESO's and
PESO's generated by the attendees during the evening at the gallery
and later were all great to see. Very sad to have personally missed
out on such a momentous PDML get together but very glad to have
available so many fine and entertaining images documenting the event.

I was there in spirit but would love to be there in person some day to
share time and space with some of the talented crew that makes the
PDML such an amazing little mail list, thanks Doug et al.! ;-)

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Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

[P. J. Alling]

On 5/17/2010 4:21 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

After multiple comments I have made a version that is lighter.  As I
look at them, I still prefer the original.

Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water and
surrounding rocks and trees:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-2.htm

Original:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-1.htm

   
The original is more dramatic, the revisit is probably closer to 
perception.  I like the original, but then I like drama, at least in 
photographs.


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photographing bright red, dayglo pink and orange

[Luiz Felipe]

Larry, in my field display there is not an orange issue. Things aren't looking 
so saturated, but not dull either. Contrast looks just a little low. That said, 
I'm taking a copy home to check at the other display.

lf

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Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

[Larry Colen]

On 5/17/2010 1:26 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

I missed this one earlier. Excellent shot.


Likewise. It's easy to fall behind on this list.


I prefer the original version. Sometimes a little mystery is a good thing.


I think that the original works a little better too.

Either way, it'sa  great shot.



Paul


On May 17, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


After multiple comments I have made a version that is lighter.  As I
look at them, I still prefer the original.

Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water and
surrounding rocks and trees:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-2.htm

Original:
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photographing bright red, dayglo pink and orange

[Larry Colen]

I was asked to do some photo sessions at a party this weekend.
I tried to take care not to blow out the red channel when I was setting 
the exposure, but when I looked at the photos in LR on my mac the reds 
seemed somewhat orangey, and the dayglow pink and the dayglow orange had 
lost a lot of their "pop" and their saturation.


Was this a case of my misreading the histogram, or the histogram being 
based on JPEG and not RAW so it wasn't really showing the red channel 
blowing out?  In future situations, should I leave more headroom in the 
exposure?


Interestingly, on my work PC, the red doesn't seem quite as orangey as 
it did at home, but that may be because it's a 600 pixel wide version 
rather than a 24" iMac display, different curves or something:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4613138036/sizes/o/in/set-72157623949690373/

In a related issue, I'd like to get a 23" or so vertical second display 
for my iMac for working on images in "portrait" composition.  Has anyone 
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Re: Geso Photo day at Pickering Horse Centre (big one)

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
That's quite a lot of pictures!
Obviously, the girls love their horses.
And the horses had ears up in almost every shot.
I thought the horses showed best against the lighter colored foliage,
Otherwise their ears tended to disappear into the dark.
(more fill light in lightroom?)
The kid with his helmit on was a smile among the girls -
'Yes this is a guy thing and dangerous, I have to wear a helmit.'
Some of the horses by themselves were beautiful.
Your client should really like those shots.
They'll be great memories in the future.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:17 PM, eckinator  wrote:
> 2010/5/17 Cotty :
>> On 16/5/10, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>Any way, for those that want to have a gander:
>>>
>>>http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2010-phc1/album/index.html
>>
>> Dave mate I'll tell you where you're going wrong, just sod the horses
>> and shoot the girls mate :-)))
>
> Just counting clicks I say he was looking at the girls more anyway...
> and I'll wager my lunch money Emily was your fave, Dave?
> Cheers
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Re: PESO: Blurry or Clear?

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 11, 2010, at 07:34 , Charles Robinson wrote:

So, I'm sorta curious: which do you prefer?  The first blurry shot,  
or the moderately-clear shot taken 5 seconds later?


Blurry (1/15 sec):
http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1150_large.html

Clear (1/25 sec):
http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/honeydogs_firstave/content/IMGP1152_large.html




I like the second one better, more for the composition than the  
sharper rendition.

The guitarist on the left in the first throws me off.


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Re: GESO - PDML Refusés

[Luiz Felipe]

earlier said by Jostein...
.Here's mine, a photo that marked a certain celebration for me:
.http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2009/02/turning-100.html
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... here are mine, in a smaller format:
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/voandoperto720clf.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/iridiumaoluar3nn720clf.jpg

or, with a really small comment...
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/voandopertoe.html
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/iridioaoluare.html

As far as I'm told, the chosen was:
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/flutuando3bclf.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/flutuandoe.html

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Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

[Jack Davis]

I think the original is more dramatic and concentrates the viewer's attention 
on the falls.

Jack

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> Subject: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 1:21 PM
> After multiple comments I have made a
> version that is lighter.  As I
> look at them, I still prefer the original.
> 
> Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water
> and
> surrounding rocks and trees:
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-2.htm
> 
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> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-1.htm
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Re: PESO-Clementine Rainbow

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That would be a moonbow.

Dan

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Bruce,
> I've never seen a nighttime rainbow...

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Re: Cleaning Sensors

[Charles Robinson]

On May 17, 2010, at 15:28, eckinator wrote:

> 2010/5/17 Bob Sullivan :
>> Canned air, purchased at the local Frys electronics outlet, is not suitable.
>> I briefly tested a bit before any camera use and found a residue.
>> Having the useless can around, I looked for other opportunities to use it..
>> After cleaning the grill with a wire brush, I had bits of charcoled
>> food around the top.
>> I thought 'Canned Air' and used some while the grill was already afire.
>> It looked like 'The Great and Powerful OZ' with a giant flame and
>> cloud of smoke.
>> And it said right on the can, Non-Flamible!
>> Give the canned air to someone you don't like.
>> It's not for cameras.
> 
> LOL... oxygen force feed any fire and you'll see bursts of
> affection... but chemically they are correct, oxygen doesn't burn, it
> takes two to tango...
> 

Yabbut, that stuff in the cans is rarely oxygen.  I mean, there may be some IN 
there, but that's only part of it.

All the same, the whoosh of whatever gas in there probably fans the flames 
nicely.

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Re: Cleaning Sensors

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2010/5/17 Bob Sullivan :
> Canned air, purchased at the local Frys electronics outlet, is not suitable.
> I briefly tested a bit before any camera use and found a residue.
> Having the useless can around, I looked for other opportunities to use it..
> After cleaning the grill with a wire brush, I had bits of charcoled
> food around the top.
> I thought 'Canned Air' and used some while the grill was already afire.
> It looked like 'The Great and Powerful OZ' with a giant flame and
> cloud of smoke.
> And it said right on the can, Non-Flamible!
> Give the canned air to someone you don't like.
> It's not for cameras.

LOL... oxygen force feed any fire and you'll see bursts of
affection... but chemically they are correct, oxygen doesn't burn, it
takes two to tango...

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Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

[paul stenquist]

I missed this one earlier. Excellent shot. 
I prefer the original version. Sometimes a little mystery is a good thing.

Paul


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> After multiple comments I have made a version that is lighter.  As I
> look at them, I still prefer the original.
> 
> Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water and
> surrounding rocks and trees:
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-2.htm
> 
> Original:
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-1.htm
> 
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PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

[Bruce Dayton]

After multiple comments I have made a version that is lighter.  As I
look at them, I still prefer the original.

Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water and
surrounding rocks and trees:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-2.htm

Original:
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Re: GESO - PDML Refusés

[AlunFoto]

2010/5/9 Tim Bray :

> Let's see yours.  -Tim

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Re: Cleaning Sensors

[Bob Sullivan]

Canned air, purchased at the local Frys electronics outlet, is not suitable.
I briefly tested a bit before any camera use and found a residue.
Having the useless can around, I looked for other opportunities to use it..
After cleaning the grill with a wire brush, I had bits of charcoled
food around the top.
I thought 'Canned Air' and used some while the grill was already afire.
It looked like 'The Great and Powerful OZ' with a giant flame and
cloud of smoke.
And it said right on the can, Non-Flamible!
Give the canned air to someone you don't like.
It's not for cameras.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:37 AM, William Robb  wrote:
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> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen"
> Subject: Re: Cleaning Sensors
>
>
>
>> I was trying to blow some stubborn dust of the mirror.  It frosted up,
>>  and when the frost cleared the edge of the mirror was discolored.
>>
>
> Short puffs.
> And don't ever clean your mirror.
>
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Re: PESO -- Raggs

[eckinator]

2010/5/17 P. J. Alling :
>
> Coke bottles as we used to call them, and yes, he did.

TY =)

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Re: PESO-Clementine Rainbow

[eckinator]

2010/5/16 Madame RD :
>
> I never thought someone could add poetry to a dam   powerful picture !
>
> dominique

Ce que disait Dominique =)
Thanks for sharing
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Re: PESO -- Raggs

[P. J. Alling]

On 5/17/2010 1:24 PM, eckinator wrote:

2010/5/16 P. J. Alling:
   

I planned to convert this to B&W but decided to leave it as is.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20raggs.html

Equipment: Thoroughly out dated, (Pentax *ist-Ds/w smc Pentax M 40mm f2.8).
 

Looks pretty cool to me, perhaps a tiny crop off the left, and a question:
did he have bottle bottom glasses or is that an effect of the image?
cheers
ecke

   

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Re: Give me your retired, your poor, your mangled glass ...

[eckinator]

2010/5/17 Larry Colen :
>
> Please keep the aluminum mount bits, especially if you get dead Vivitar
> series one lenses in Pentax mount. It would be nice to convert my Minolta
> mount glass to pentax.  Since the minolta flange is smaller than Pentax, I
> can't just file it down to the right size and shape. But, I might be able to
> swap baseplates and turn a minolta mount into a pentax mount.

Sure, NP =)
I'll only use aperture rings, focus rings and engraved portions of the
barrel anyway, going by what I've mastered so far.

BTW do you think there would be a market for aperture simulator jewelry?

Cheers
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Re: PESO-Clementine Rainbow

[Bob Sullivan]

Bruce,
I've never seen a nighttime rainbow...
It's a lovely catch, but the lake could use more light.
Just nit picking.  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

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> I guess it begs the question...Does it really matter whether it was a
> daytime or nighttime shot?  If a take a shot at night and expose it
> to look more like daylight or take a shot in the daytime and expose
> it so it looks like night...
>
> Was the shot pleasing?  I will certainly play around with it to see
> what it looks like more 'daylight', but I suspect you will get to see
> nice greenish water instead of the strong contrast.
>
>
>
> --
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> Bruce
>
>
> Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:30:10 AM, you wrote:
>
>
>
> AS> Rob Studdert wrote:
>
>>>I just recalibrated my monitor and it was out, but even so it still
>>>apears pretty dark, almost like a night scene, the white water
>>>component of the exposure is spot on though.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>
> AS> Bruce, I thought it was a night scene...
>
> AS> ann
>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Time torture tests four cameras

[paul stenquist]

Including the Pentax W-90. Not much of a test, but somewhat amusing.

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,85466556001_1989271,00.html?xid=aol-direct

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Re: Leica M9

[Fernando]

"Nothing exciting, I just wanted to share that."

Sounds pretty exciting to me...

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, William Robb  wrote:
> I had the opportunity to play with one this morning.
> It and a little 35mm lens that reminded me somewhat of a Pentax Limited
> lens, except a lot nicer.
> My pusher, bless his heart, is going to try to get the company demo model
> for me so that I can have it to play with for a few days.
> Nothing exciting, I just wanted to share that.
>
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RE: Leica M9

[Bob W]

> 
> I had the opportunity to play with one this morning.
> It and a little 35mm lens that reminded me somewhat of a 
> Pentax Limited lens, except a lot nicer.
> My pusher, bless his heart, is going to try to get the 
> company demo model for me so that I can have it to play with 
> for a few days.
> Nothing exciting, I just wanted to share that.
> 
> William Robb

That sounds quite exciting to me. I look forward to your class report.

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Re: PESO Tilted is the new level

[eckinator]

2010/5/17 Bob Sullivan :
>
> You'll have to explain more about your equipment...

eBay listing 120569383280 is a Zörk ST-Dehner set like I have except
my manual says f/45, 67 and 90 as opposed to 40/60/80 as stated there.
It is basically a screw-in hood for a 40.5 mm filter thread precision
machined to hold one of three pinhole disks. Diffraction effects
aren't quite the same as those of a fully stopped down lens (or past
f/16 anyway)
cheers
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Re: Chicago

[John Francis]

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:21:15AM -0400, P N Stenquist wrote:
>
> On May 14, 2010, at 11:06 AM, John Francis wrote:
>
>> images:
>>
>>http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW0651
>>
>> and
>>
>>http://www.jfwaf.com/Recent%20Work/pages/CityStreets.html
>>
>> where my satisfaction with the shot is to some extent based on the
>> fact that these are both images I deliberately set out to capture;
>> I knew (or at least hoped) what I would end up with before starting.
>>
>> That's not quite the same as the amount of effort involved, but it
>> is something that only I, the photographer, know about the images.
>>
>
> John's "City Streets" is among  my all-time favorite PDML pics. I was  
> trying to think of the name of it the other day when race photography  
> was being discussed. A true classic.
> Paul

Thanks for the kind words, Paul.

(I must have missed this post originally; I just found it buried in my inbox)

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Re: PESO Tilted is the new level

[eckinator]

2010/5/17 P. J. Alling :
>
> You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny, (or something like that, I
> would assume, since we've never met).

LOL... she used to when I was a 5th grade outsider... but ugly? nh =P

> Oh, you meant about the photograph.  It's green and lovely.  Satisfied?

Yessiree... even though I am thinking I should have perhaps taken it
from a slightly lower position
TY =)
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Re: PESO - Tricycle, New Toronto, 2010

[eckinator]

2010/5/17 Bob W :
>
>> gosh I feel stupid now =(
>>
>
> Welcome to the pdml

hehe... so that's how you hit the ground in these parts...

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Re: PESO Ferruginous Hawk

[P N Stenquist]

Thanks Ecke. And thanks to all who had a look.

The bird has returned a couple of times. I tried to get out there with  
the 400/5.6 and flash with Xtender, but he disappeared again before I  
made it. I will keep trying.


Paul
On May 17, 2010, at 1:40 PM, eckinator wrote:


2010/5/16 P N Stenquist :
That's what he look's like to me. The beak and breast coloring  
match up to
pics of that beasty. I've been hearing him for a couple of days.  
Finally,
Grace and I spotted him in a tree right behind the garage when we  
came home
from the park. Unfortunately, I didn't have proper long glass  
mounted, just

the DA* 60-250, so this is cropped to about 1/3 of frame. It was also
getting a bit dim, so I had to shoot at ISO 1600 to get any unaided  
flash up

into the tree. F4.5 @ 1.320th.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11014855


Screw the tech nits, both the bird and the shot are beauties.  
Enjoyed it.

Thanks for sharing
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Re: Leica M9

[Jack Davis]

FGS, don't drop it! 8=C

Jack

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> Subject: Leica M9
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 11:31 AM
> I had the opportunity to play with
> one this morning.
> It and a little 35mm lens that reminded me somewhat of a
> Pentax Limited lens, except a lot nicer.
> My pusher, bless his heart, is going to try to get the
> company demo model for me so that I can have it to play with
> for a few days.
> Nothing exciting, I just wanted to share that.
> 
> William Robb
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Leica M9

[William Robb]

I had the opportunity to play with one this morning.
It and a little 35mm lens that reminded me somewhat of a Pentax Limited 
lens, except a lot nicer.
My pusher, bless his heart, is going to try to get the company demo model 
for me so that I can have it to play with for a few days.

Nothing exciting, I just wanted to share that.

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Re: Give me your retired, your poor, your mangled glass ...

[Larry Colen]

On 5/17/2010 11:11 AM, eckinator wrote:

...send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I'll lift my Dremel
when they hit my door.

In other words:

I'm teaching myself to make lens bracelets as linked here some time
ago. Right now I am practicing on eBay junk but if anyone wants one
made later in the year, I'll happily do so.


Ecke,

Please keep the aluminum mount bits, especially if you get dead Vivitar 
series one lenses in Pentax mount. It would be nice to convert my 
Minolta mount glass to pentax.  Since the minolta flange is smaller than 
Pentax, I can't just file it down to the right size and shape. But, I 
might be able to swap baseplates and turn a minolta mount into a pentax 
mount.




Cheers
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Re: Standalone Noise Reduction Tool

[eckinator]

Thank you, everyone, I am working my way through these now. Used
NeatImage on my latest PESO and it seems to work but have yet to
compare
Cheers
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RE: PESO - Tricycle, New Toronto, 2010

[Bob W]

> gosh I feel stupid now =(
> 

Welcome to the pdml



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Re: PESO - Tricycle, New Toronto, 2010

[eckinator]

2010/5/17 eckinator :
> 2010/5/17 Bob W :
>>
>> This is how Eggers did it:
>> > grapherid=ph020&row=4>
>>
>> It's one of his iconic photos.
>
> Oh, William... stupid me... I was thinking David from the good photo
> thread... I know him... the cocktail glass on the plane etc... one of
> my faves... geez, I must be sitting on my brain tonight. Sorry William
> and thanks Bob... gosh I feel stupid now =(

That one: http://idontlikefun.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/los_alamos_m.jpg

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Re: PESO - Tricycle, New Toronto, 2010

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2010/5/17 Bob W :
>
> This is how Eggers did it:
>  grapherid=ph020&row=4>
>
> It's one of his iconic photos.

Oh, William... stupid me... I was thinking David from the good photo
thread... I know him... the cocktail glass on the plane etc... one of
my faves... geez, I must be sitting on my brain tonight. Sorry William
and thanks Bob... gosh I feel stupid now =(

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Give me your retired, your poor, your mangled glass ...

[eckinator]

...send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I'll lift my Dremel
when they hit my door.

In other words:

I'm teaching myself to make lens bracelets as linked here some time
ago. Right now I am practicing on eBay junk but if anyone wants one
made later in the year, I'll happily do so.

Cheers
Ecke

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Re: Cheap eyecup for K20?

[Larry Colen]

On 5/17/2010 10:21 AM, eckinator wrote:

sorry, no and those things annoy me all the time by being so hard to
remove every time I put on a refconverter. have an asymmetric eyecup
still kicking around but it isn't eyeglass friendly. if you want it
though, I'll throw it in an envelope and it'll be yours for postage
cheers


The curved one won't work with my glasses.

I just ordered a "real" $25 one from adorama, rather than taking a risk 
on the $10.  It wasn't worth messing around to try to save $15.




ecke

2010/5/17 Larry Colen:

Has anyone tried one of these?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220593342049&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=WXF%3F&GUID=07ca28fd1280a0265380b090ff59a184&itemid=220593342049&ff4=263602_263622

It's less than half the cost of the Pentax one, but it says it fits both
K100 and K20.


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RE: Chicago

[Bob W]

> 
> I think this is as good a place for my comment in this 
> discussion.  For it to actually be Art there has to be 
> _describable_ intent on the part of the /Artist/.  That 
> usually, but doesn't always, requires a certain level of 
> craftsmanship.  So I guess intentional bad driving is Art, 
> while unintentional bad driving isn't.  Extrapolate to the 
> rest of the universe at your peril.


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RE: PESO - Tricycle, New Toronto, 2010

[Bob W]

> >
> > I think you're too close to the bike.
> 
> Hey, don't forget it's Frank =)
> I like the pic and being a total Eggleston ignoramus 
> nincompoop and too lazy to google image search the dead 
> geezer, I'll just agree with Bob anyway.
> Frank, this needs more Eggleston.
> And that is as tongue in cheek as I get tonight.
> Oh, and I like the picture and it looks to me also like a 
> hommage to the After the Fall set seen on this list.
> Cheers
> Ecke

This is how Eggers did it:


It's one of his iconic photos.

B


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RE: Used Glass

[Bob W]

> > ... interesting words from Bob...
> > .> 
> > .> I picked up that Tamron 300/2.8 from my friend Chuck today.
> > .> It turns out he bought it from some guy named John Francis.
> > .> 
> > .
> > .A good lens is like syphilis - you get it from your friends.
> 
> If you get that from friends, what do you get from your enemies ?

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Re: Camera bag for bike trip?

[Christine Nielsen]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scott Loveless  wrote:
> On 5/16/10, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>> BTW, here's a little bike porn -- call it a three-way?  -- a few snaps
>>  of one of the rigs we'll be taking to Colorado:
>>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028...@n04/sets/72157623811081733/
>
> Ooh.  Aah.  Snazzy.  Are the S&S couplers placed so that you can
> configure it as a tandem, too?
>

:)
They are, although we haven't tried that yet... The whole thing comes
apart & packs into two big cases.  I'm hoping when the time comes,
we'll be able to re-assemble the bike without too many leftover parts.

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Re: Now these are good photographs?

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2010/5/15 P N Stenquist :
>
> Thanks for the link, but I"m not sure I understand the question mark.

I think Rob was being rhetorically affirmative. Really nice, well
executed gallery, some stunners, some borderline rockwellians, all in
all definitely lookworthy!
Thanks for sharing the link Rob
Ecke

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Re: OTThe Bones of Wat:

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Thank you for sharing, Dan
Ecke

2010/5/15 Daniel J. Matyola :
> http://weburbanist.com/2010/05/14/the-bones-of-war-haunting-skeleton-photography/
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Re: Optimizing system resolution

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On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> Today, it's not so simple.  Pixel densities on the sensors probably aren't
> quite down to the wavelength of light, but I've read arguments that a lot of
> them actually exceed the theoretical maximum possible for a lens to resolve.

There can be benefits to spatial oversampling (such as resistance to
aliasing, without needing a strong antialiasing filter).  See for
example:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/ovrsamp.mspx

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Re: PESO Ferruginous Hawk

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2010/5/16 P N Stenquist :
> That's what he look's like to me. The beak and breast coloring match up to
> pics of that beasty. I've been hearing him for a couple of days. Finally,
> Grace and I spotted him in a tree right behind the garage when we came home
> from the park. Unfortunately, I didn't have proper long glass mounted, just
> the DA* 60-250, so this is cropped to about 1/3 of frame. It was also
> getting a bit dim, so I had to shoot at ISO 1600 to get any unaided flash up
> into the tree. F4.5 @ 1.320th.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11014855

Screw the tech nits, both the bird and the shot are beauties. Enjoyed it.
Thanks for sharing
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Re: Geso Photo day at Pickering Horse Centre (big one)

[David J Brooks]

Ideally yes, but i;'m not sure how a lot of these horse would react to
the reflector. Many have been on stall rest for injuries and it was
windy, both make for skittish horses just with the fill flash. I may
investigate that idea for any future jobs though.

Dave

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> I haven't looked at all of them, but I think the shadows are a bit harsh.
>  You really need an assistant holding a large white reflector.
>
> On 5/16/2010 11:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Saturday was my group photo day at the above horse farm. I took photos
>> of about 21 riders and horse combo's. Heavy overcast day and windy.
>> Weather network forecast sunny and warm. Now i cannot even trust my
>> weather man. I'm bummed.
>>
>> Any way, for those that want to have a gander:
>>
>> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2010-phc1/album/index.html
>>
>> WARNING; There are over 600 photos, i but everything up, that was the
>> deal. The D200 and SB800 for fill worked quite well in about 95% of
>> the photos. I used P mode for this and that combo seems good for fill.
>> Only problems were if i got to close and forgot to dial down more or
>> the sun came out momentarily. Both caused slightly bright, but not
>> burnt out photos that should be scaled back in LR. I shot RAW +low res
>> jpegs so i could do the jalbum.
>>
>> No PP on these just dragged and dropped into jalbum. SB 800 had the
>> supplied softbox and i had it set at 45.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>
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Re: Optimizing system resolution

[Larry Colen]

On 5/17/2010 10:02 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


Larry, as far as the glass is concerned, -
there are more parameters/constrains than just lpi:


I'm aware of that, I even know how to spell MTF.


the maximum aperture, the minimum aperture (which becomes important
for the small sensor sizes, - as you end up getting diffraction),
performance at different apertures, etc.


exactly.


More over, the parameter space that determines lpi is multi-dimentional.
Those other parameters (e.g. the minimum aperture), - also can affect
lpi.
Things become even more complicated for zoom lenses, where the
parameter space blows up by probably an order of magnitude.


But I'm talking in general about a system, nominally one with 
interchangable lenses.




On the side of the camera, - it is also not just the resolution of the
sensor. (E.g. high ISO performance can be separate from the resolution
optimization.)


True.



So, optimization is not (and should not be) done by just using lpi
vs. cost alone.


Exactly.  Back in the silver age, if you wanted more resolution in your 
photos, you pretty much had to use bigger film, though you could get a 
little bit more with slower film.  That's why folks used MF and view 
cameras.


Today, it's not so simple.  Pixel densities on the sensors probably 
aren't quite down to the wavelength of light, but I've read arguments 
that a lot of them actually exceed the theoretical maximum possible for 
a lens to resolve.


The high level design specification would be something like:
Design an interchangeable lens digital camera system that provides the 
highest possible resolution for the money in five years, taking into 
account the costs of lens design, assuming that sensor costs will 
continue dropping at the current rate.  What is the optimal sensor size 
to design for?





Igor




Mon May 17 11:37:04 CDT 2010
Larry Colen wrote:



I have the bad habit of thinking about the design of camera equipment
when I'm driving. For a mass market system, one would expect that the
engineers would figure out how much resolution is needed, and design the
system around that. Another option is to place the constraint on the
size of the sensor, and try to optimize there.

If we can assume that Moore's law is going to hold on sensors, for at
least a few more iterations, then for long term planning, sensor cost is
not going to be an issue, and it might be best to optimize system design
on the glass.  Lens quality has improved over the years, but I'm
guessing that the improvement over time is more linear, or logarithmic
rather than the exponential improvement (2dB/year) of Moore's law.

The sharper a lens (lines per inch) the more expensive it is to produce.
Likewise the larger the sharp area of a lens, (24x36 sensor vs APS) the
more expensive it is to produce.  There are also physical limitations to
the resolution, it can't get any better than the wavelength of light.

So, for ultimate system resolution, is there a sweet spot for lens
design where you get the best lines per inch times sensor area for the
least cost?  Or is it simply a case that as far as glass is concerned,
it's always cheaper to get the same total resolution with a bigger
target area?







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Re: peso - ladybug

[eckinator]

2010/5/17 Jack Davis :
>
> The owner is a little scary. :+(

I have this visual of them lingerie shopping... go away... ouch ouch!!

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