Re: PESO - Kalenderdamer 2012 Outtake #4963
On 25/10/2011 02:41, Tim Øsleby wrote: ;-) Ok. I can live withthat. My life is about brewaking rules. I'm the man who make the line boats sink. Wonder if that was an art project, I have a lot of time for those who brewak. You are clearly an artist. -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Egg, bacon, Dobo and Spam
On 25/10/2011 15:22, Bob W wrote: I received a junk email earlier with a link to some crap (didn't try it) purportedly from Frank and copied to some other current and former PDMLers, including the famed Dobo. Somebody's address book seems to have been plundered, so beware all. My version was only addressed to six people, all of whose addressses begin with M. -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Language Question
On 26/10/2011 02:04, Walt Gilbert wrote: In Birmingham (not 'Bama) it's pronounced Kuey Foive. In Kentuckese, it's Kaeeyfaahv -- Walt On 10/23/2011 7:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I was wondering how K-5 is pronounced in other languages. In English it's Kay-five. Japanese, I'm guessing is Kay-go because it's Romanji on it. In Hebrew is it Kay-chamesh? -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Language Question
On 26/10/2011 02:04, Walt Gilbert wrote: In Birmingham (not 'Bama) it's pronounced Kuey Foive. In Kentuckese, it's Kaeeyfaahv -- Walt On 10/23/2011 7:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I was wondering how K-5 is pronounced in other languages. In English it's Kay-five. Japanese, I'm guessing is Kay-go because it's Romanji on it. In Hebrew is it Kay-chamesh? -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Challenge: Photos of your bikes
On Oct 25, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Bob W wrote: that's quite interesting. He brings up the Tour de France thing about the riders not using steel any more, but doesn't counter the 'therefore carbon must be better' claim. Whenever I hear that claim I point out that the TdF riders' bike only have to last a day at a time and that they have a support team behind them with a van full of spare bikes. Not a luxury that many of us can afford. The riders probably can't afford them either. They ride what the team sponsor supplies. Inevitably that's going to be the latest high-tech bike that they're trying to push to the rest of us. On a less cynical note, the manufacturers have an incentive to produce a bike that's FAST and meets the UCI requirements. Generally this means light, stiff and reasonably aerodynamic. As far as I know the frames last the duration of the race, but as you mention the bikes are looked after pretty well by the team mechanics. The spare bikes are there to reduce down time. Someone crashes, hand them a new bike and get them going again. A steel frame could probably be repaired but why bother at that level? Anyway the last thing they want is a mechanical problem at the wrong moment... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/8835486.stm FWIW I have both a steel fixie and a carbon road bike. There are too many differences between them to really judge what the frame material is doing. I know which I'd rather take over the Pyrenees, it's the one that wouldn't blow my knees apart :) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Morning Calm Part II (a tale of two photos)
Love the kayak one. The one with ducks is also a nice photo, but I don't particularly like ducks... Cheers, Dave On Oct 26, 2011, at 1:15 AM, frank theriault wrote: Taken about 15 minutes earlier than Morning Calm, from a slightly different vantage point, this was the one I thought would be the keeper at the time I took it. I thought the kayak made for a much more interesting photo than the ducks: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/10/morning-calm-part-ii.html I converted to bw as the colours were already monochrome. This was taken with a 200mm lens, the other with a 90mm. I think this is a good shot, and that's all. The other (shown a few weeks ago) is one of my better shots which has much more going for it: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/morning-calm.html Funny that I didn't realize it until I got home to look at things on the computer. Comments welcome. Hope you enjoy. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Well, nobody's perfect.
I think you may be expecting too much. On 10/25/2011 4:55 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:27 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Guess they are still in Beta, eh? I think that's right. If the gallery was 'official', I would have expected an email notification to have been sent to all subscribers, like the one back in September when they advised the 24 October launch date. I suspect they've not quite achieved that date and are still working out a few 'wrinkles'. Having said that, I think the new Gallery is a vast improvement on the old one. Once you get used to the interface, it's a quick and pleasant experience to browse some of the collections. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ ann On 10/25/2011 12:09, Igor Roshchin wrote: I might be slow, but it took me some time to notice that there is a layer of photos under the front page Welcome to the PENTAX Photo Gallery. The way I noticed that, was that I saw a weird dim (c) Cyril Lidoine right under Featured Collection column, and I was wondering what it pertains to. If somebody (like myself) still hasn't figured it out, - you can click on close (in the upper right corner). Then a gallery image strip gets revealed. Weird!... Igor -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Morning Calm Part II (a tale of two photos)
Damn, Frank, That's just lovely. On 10/25/2011 8:15 AM, frank theriault wrote: Taken about 15 minutes earlier than Morning Calm, from a slightly different vantage point, this was the one I thought would be the keeper at the time I took it. I thought the kayak made for a much more interesting photo than the ducks: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/10/morning-calm-part-ii.html I converted to bw as the colours were already monochrome. This was taken with a 200mm lens, the other with a 90mm. I think this is a good shot, and that's all. The other (shown a few weeks ago) is one of my better shots which has much more going for it: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/morning-calm.html Funny that I didn't realize it until I got home to look at things on the computer. Comments welcome. Hope you enjoy. cheers, frank -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Kalenderdamer 2012 Outtake #4963
It is all about brewaking the right rules. Thats art. You are just making a fool of yourself if your brewaking the wrong one. -- MaritimTim My private photo blog: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ My photo class blog: http://z-fotokurs.blogspot.com/ To err is human to arr is pirate 2011/10/26 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: On 25/10/2011 02:41, Tim Øsleby wrote: ;-) Ok. I can live withthat. My life is about brewaking rules. I'm the man who make the line boats sink. Wonder if that was an art project, I have a lot of time for those who brewak. You are clearly an artist. -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG relaunched...
Nor does it work for me. Will try it on another IE computer. Jack - Original Message - From: Bran Everseeking bran.everseek...@sasktel.net To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:55 PM Subject: Re: PPG relaunched... On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:34:59 -0700 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: artists under A, B, Cetc. They sort of did, Type 'C' and you get the names that start with C, then 'o', and you get Co Hrmm that didnt work when i tried it the other day. either its new or it was broken when i tried it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG relaunched...
Glad to say that I tried the relaunch on a my windows t IE laptop and it looks and acts as it should. Will reinstall long standing W7 on desktop. Jack. - Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:56 AM Subject: Re: PPG relaunched... Nor does it work for me. Will try it on another IE computer. Jack - Original Message - From: Bran Everseeking bran.everseek...@sasktel.net To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:55 PM Subject: Re: PPG relaunched... On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:34:59 -0700 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: artists under A, B, Cetc. They sort of did, Type 'C' and you get the names that start with C, then 'o', and you get Co Hrmm that didnt work when i tried it the other day. either its new or it was broken when i tried it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Wildwood/Cape May 2011
Thanks, Brian, Bob, and David for your thoughts and comments! Brian, unfortunately 31590010 is not eligible for the PUG as that one was not made with Pentax gear. On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:16 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: I've put up this year's gallery from our annual vacation to Cape May Wildwood, New Jersey. It was not the most photographically productive year for the trip, but I do like these: Palm Warbler: http://stdw.us/pCLiKC I agree with Dan and Bob. Excellent! Steeple and Lighthouse: http://stdw.us/nUGHWf This doesn't quite work for me. The out of focus lighthouse is a bit too dominant in the frame. The full gallery is at: http://stdw.us/CapeMay2011 Some good stuff there Nice catch on 20110920-K10D-11422 and I like the colour and composition on 20110918-K10D-11277 31590010 could be a candidate for the November PUG Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ The BW work at the end is the first and only roll of film that I've shot since buying the K10D four years ago. I pulled my Canonet QL17 GIII rangefinder off the shelf, used the button-cell meter battery that was still in it, and shot a roll of Ilford Pan F 50 that's been in the freezer for about 6 years. The scans are low-resolution JPEGs from AI (who did the processing) with minor work in Lightroom. Comments always welcome. -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast
G'day all First, thanks for the comments on Cauldron - Jack, Mark, Walt, Bob, Paul, Ken. Much appreciated. As I mentioned in that post, I took a number of similar shots, some of which showed a strong magenta colour cast due to the use of a cheap ND filter. Here's a fairly dramatic example (30 second exposure, f22, ISO 100, 3 stacked ND filters): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a-PESO.html First lesson learned - don't use cheap ND filters. Anyway, as an exercise I thought I'd have a go at reducing the effect of the cast. This is what I came up with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a1-PESO.html It's certainly an improvement but I'd be interested in any comments on how it compares with the original 'Cauldron' post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3232a-peso.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast
Actually, the color cast gives the image a strong otherworldly feel. All in all, however, the corrected version is better, and quite an effective image. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all First, thanks for the comments on Cauldron - Jack, Mark, Walt, Bob, Paul, Ken. Much appreciated. As I mentioned in that post, I took a number of similar shots, some of which showed a strong magenta colour cast due to the use of a cheap ND filter. Here's a fairly dramatic example (30 second exposure, f22, ISO 100, 3 stacked ND filters): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a-PESO.html First lesson learned - don't use cheap ND filters. Anyway, as an exercise I thought I'd have a go at reducing the effect of the cast. This is what I came up with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a1-PESO.html It's certainly an improvement but I'd be interested in any comments on how it compares with the original 'Cauldron' post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3232a-peso.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Shameless plug
Hi gang, Dario did an interview with me in April, for an article on cold weather photography. IIRC, I'm the third PDML'er to be interviewed, the others being Tanya Love and Paul Stenquist. The other day I received a few copies of the magazine in the mail, and have posted images of the article here: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/10/published-in-italy.html Dario rocks. :-) Cheers, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shameless plug
Great news. When he is ready to do back yard jays, let me know.:-) Dave On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:33 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang, Dario did an interview with me in April, for an article on cold weather photography. IIRC, I'm the third PDML'er to be interviewed, the others being Tanya Love and Paul Stenquist. The other day I received a few copies of the magazine in the mail, and have posted images of the article here: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/10/published-in-italy.html Dario rocks. :-) Cheers, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast
Yes i agree with Brian, the corrected version has a nice feel to it. Dave On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the color cast gives the image a strong otherworldly feel. All in all, however, the corrected version is better, and quite an effective image. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all First, thanks for the comments on Cauldron - Jack, Mark, Walt, Bob, Paul, Ken. Much appreciated. As I mentioned in that post, I took a number of similar shots, some of which showed a strong magenta colour cast due to the use of a cheap ND filter. Here's a fairly dramatic example (30 second exposure, f22, ISO 100, 3 stacked ND filters): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a-PESO.html First lesson learned - don't use cheap ND filters. Anyway, as an exercise I thought I'd have a go at reducing the effect of the cast. This is what I came up with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a1-PESO.html It's certainly an improvement but I'd be interested in any comments on how it compares with the original 'Cauldron' post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3232a-peso.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Wildwood/Cape May 2011
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: I've put up this year's gallery from our annual vacation to Cape May Wildwood, New Jersey. It was not the most photographically productive year for the trip, but I do like these: Palm Warbler: http://stdw.us/pCLiKC Great shot, nice pose and sharpness. Steeple and Lighthouse: http://stdw.us/nUGHWf Not sure the DOF on this one works, at least for me. Dave The full gallery is at: http://stdw.us/CapeMay2011 The BW work at the end is the first and only roll of film that I've shot since buying the K10D four years ago. I pulled my Canonet QL17 GIII rangefinder off the shelf, used the button-cell meter battery that was still in it, and shot a roll of Ilford Pan F 50 that's been in the freezer for about 6 years. The scans are low-resolution JPEGs from AI (who did the processing) with minor work in Lightroom. Comments always welcome. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
You may get crap from me
I didn't want to put the word spam in the SL, but that's what some of you may have gotten from me in recent days. It seems that my old Hotmail account (which has lay dormant for years) has been hacked into and is being used to send spam to my contacts. I know of at least one person on this list to whom this may have been sent. So if you see something from me with the SL FW - 6 or simply 6 or if you get anything from knarftheria...@hotmail.com it's spam. Don't open it. I'm now going to shut down that account. At least I'll try. Sorry for the inconvenience. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck)
There is absolutely no artistic merit in this photo. There is a great deal of guano. A duck. And two cormorants. What more do you want? http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-cormorants-and-duck.html cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck)
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:58 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There is absolutely no artistic merit in this photo. There is a great deal of guano. A duck. And two cormorants. It's amazing how you can capture so many aspects of the PDML in a single photograph. What more do you want? http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-cormorants-and-duck.html cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck)
Everything rolled into one. Dave On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:58 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There is absolutely no artistic merit in this photo. There is a great deal of guano. A duck. And two cormorants. What more do you want? http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-cormorants-and-duck.html cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck)
The tall cormorant in the middle looks a bit like Cotty. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:58 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There is absolutely no artistic merit in this photo. There is a great deal of guano. A duck. And two cormorants. It's amazing how you can capture so many aspects of the PDML in a single photograph. What more do you want? http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-cormorants-and-duck.html cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Help Fill the Gap: 12-24mm and 77mm
I agree with Steve on the A 50/1.7 being the best buy. I can't tell you how many F and FA 50mm f1.7s I have had and sold because of the price they bring. Meanwhile, I can live without the AF and happily use a mint Pentax-A 50mm f1.7. The only bad part with the A 50mm f1.7 is that they commonly have the little internal plastic tabs on the aperture ring broken meaning that changing aperture is difficult/impossible without disassembly/repair/reassembly. If you can get it in the A position and are happy to leave it there (AV mode on DSLR) you may not need to do anything with the lens. But THAT is the main question to ask when buying this lens long distance. Can't tell you how many I've seen with the problem. I've got an M 50 f1.4 on its way (also another F 50 f1.7) and they both go on the block again (part of my Catch and Release program) but I think I'll play with the M 1.4 for a bit first to see if the extra speed/shallow depth of field does anything for me. Generally, I keep a SMC Takumar 50mm f1.4 around for when I want to scratch that itch. : ) Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:04 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: indeed they do, as does the A 50/1.7 which i think is the best buy of the lot (generally much cheaper than the FA, and my own most-used lens) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Morning Calm Part II (a tale of two photos)
I like the kayak, too, because of the human element, but looking at the patterns in the water, as Bob S mentioned, I'd vote for the ducks over the kayak. I *do* keep wondering how it would look if you PSed the kayak in place of the ducks - best of both worlds or another PS disaster? -p On 10/25/2011 10:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: I agree with Paul, but I like the color rendering. Either way, both are very pretty, Frank. Cheers, Christine On Oct 25, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I much prefer the kayak version. The human element makes it more interesting, and a little bit more definition in the skyline is a plus to my eye. Well done. Paul On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Nice capture knarF ! It really pays to get up early --- sometimes. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: frank theriaultknarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - Morning Calm Part II (a tale of two photos) Taken about 15 minutes earlier than Morning Calm, from a slightly different vantage point, this was the one I thought would be the keeper at the time I took it. I thought the kayak made for a much more interesting photo than the ducks: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/10/morning-calm-part-ii.html I converted to bw as the colours were already monochrome. This was taken with a 200mm lens, the other with a 90mm. I think this is a good shot, and that's all. The other (shown a few weeks ago) is one of my better shots which has much more going for it: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/morning-calm.html Funny that I didn't realize it until I got home to look at things on the computer. Comments welcome. Hope you enjoy. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast
I do not, at all, like the redo's green cast. Much prefer the orig. Sky glow allows the very slight magenta. Jack - Original Message - From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:13 AM Subject: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast G'day all First, thanks for the comments on Cauldron - Jack, Mark, Walt, Bob, Paul, Ken. Much appreciated. As I mentioned in that post, I took a number of similar shots, some of which showed a strong magenta colour cast due to the use of a cheap ND filter. Here's a fairly dramatic example (30 second exposure, f22, ISO 100, 3 stacked ND filters): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a-PESO.html First lesson learned - don't use cheap ND filters. Anyway, as an exercise I thought I'd have a go at reducing the effect of the cast. This is what I came up with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a1-PESO.html It's certainly an improvement but I'd be interested in any comments on how it compares with the original 'Cauldron' post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3232a-peso.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast
To be clear, I didn't see the wildly magenta version included in this post. UGH! I prefer the version depicted on the last URL on this post. Jack - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast Yes i agree with Brian, the corrected version has a nice feel to it. Dave On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the color cast gives the image a strong otherworldly feel. All in all, however, the corrected version is better, and quite an effective image. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all First, thanks for the comments on Cauldron - Jack, Mark, Walt, Bob, Paul, Ken. Much appreciated. As I mentioned in that post, I took a number of similar shots, some of which showed a strong magenta colour cast due to the use of a cheap ND filter. Here's a fairly dramatic example (30 second exposure, f22, ISO 100, 3 stacked ND filters): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a-PESO.html First lesson learned - don't use cheap ND filters. Anyway, as an exercise I thought I'd have a go at reducing the effect of the cast. This is what I came up with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a1-PESO.html It's certainly an improvement but I'd be interested in any comments on how it compares with the original 'Cauldron' post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3232a-peso.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Lytro...STUNNING technology
...at a surprisingly affordable price. Mark my words: This company is going to be purchased for a LOT of money by one of the Big Boys just to own the patents on this technology. http://www.petapixel.com/2011/10/24/a-closer-hands-on-look-at-the-lytro-light-field-camera/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+PetaPixel+%28PetaPixel%29 Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The New PPG - A Couple More Oddities and a Couple of Observations
On 10/26/2011 00:49, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all While I generally like the new PPG, there are one or two confusing things: If you update your profile, you will see under the heading Your Gear three boxes labelled Camera, Lens and Other. You can use the first two boxes to select your gear but any selections you make won't actually appear on your publicly visible profile. Only the text in the Other box appears there. So, if you want to list your camera(s) and Lens(es), you need to include them in the Other box. Very odd - must be a bug. well a useful bug, in a way. There are some (we won't say who) who actually do have too many lenses - and it is something in flux anyway - I think it might be to discourage too much gear pride... but they might have called that other section... also or more stuff Also on the Update Profile page there is a box where you can enter the URL of your website. If you do that, leave off the http://; part. If you include it, the link will generate an error when someone clicks on it in the publicly visible profile because the gallery software adds http://; to the link. thanks for that.. I got the error message earlier not I fixed it. Also, I can't comment on the comments - but I can like what someone said about my photo(s) - so I tried that one of mine. If I try to comment I get this message: Warning: A browser setting is preventing you from logging in. Fix this setting to log in. Now that isn't to log into PPG - it is something called discus.com . In Firefox I have to allow third party sites... but it hoovers... ann Observations I notice that the photographer's name no longer appears on images presented for voting, so they've fixed that bug quickly. The voting system seems to have changed. Previously, images that made it through the voting phase were given the final yes/no by Pentax. Now it seems that the PPG Community is the sole judge. See here: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/manage/gallery/process Item 3: If your photo is generally liked and accepted by the community, it will be publicly displayed in the PENTAX Photo Gallery Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG relaunched...
On 10/26/2011 01:55, Bran Everseeking wrote: On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:34:59 -0700 Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: artists under A, B, Cetc. They sort of did, Type 'C' and you get the names that start with C, then 'o', and you get Co Hrmm that didnt work when i tried it the other day. either its new or it was broken when i tried it. Its a bit slow.. but make sure you actually click with the mouse in the little window before you start typing.. at least, that was what I had to do to get it to work.. just start typing a name you want to see. still a bit buggy when I tried it just now. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast
Both are more than 'acceptable' to me, but I do prefer 'unmanipulated' outdoor scenes. So I would prefer the latest version, without the magenta cast. But having said that, without knowing the issue with the filters, I could easily assume the magenta cast, was what you saw as you tripped the shutter. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm Subject: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast G'day all First, thanks for the comments on Cauldron - Jack, Mark, Walt, Bob, Paul, Ken. Much appreciated. As I mentioned in that post, I took a number of similar shots, some of which showed a strong magenta colour cast due to the use of a cheap ND filter. Here's a fairly dramatic example (30 second exposure, f22, ISO 100, 3 stacked ND filters): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a-PESO.html First lesson learned - don't use cheap ND filters. Anyway, as an exercise I thought I'd have a go at reducing the effect of the cast. This is what I came up with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a1-PESO.html It's certainly an improvement but I'd be interested in any comments on how it compares with the original 'Cauldron' post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3232a-peso.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shameless plug
On 10/26/2011 09:33, AlunFoto wrote: Hi gang, Dario did an interview with me in April, for an article on cold weather photography. IIRC, I'm the third PDML'er to be interviewed, the others being Tanya Love and Paul Stenquist. The other day I received a few copies of the magazine in the mail, and have posted images of the article here: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/10/published-in-italy.html Dario rocks. :-) Cheers, Jostein So do you ! :-) glad your penguin shot is in it - one of my all time faves of yours. and that I encouraged you to share these - bit of a bear trying to leave a comment on your page but I did it. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lytro...STUNNING technology
On Oct 26, 2011, at 10:03, Darren Addy wrote: ...at a surprisingly affordable price. Mark my words: This company is going to be purchased for a LOT of money by one of the Big Boys just to own the patents on this technology. http://www.petapixel.com/2011/10/24/a-closer-hands-on-look-at-the-lytro-light-field-camera/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+PetaPixel+%28PetaPixel%29 Could they have made these devices any uglier and difficult to hold/use though? My goodness. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shameless plug
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Shameless plug Great news. When he is ready to do back yard jays, let me know.:-) ...or sheds. Dave On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:33 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang, Dario did an interview with me in April, for an article on cold weather photography. IIRC, I'm the third PDML'er to be interviewed, the others being Tanya Love and Paul Stenquist. The other day I received a few copies of the magazine in the mail, and have posted images of the article here: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/10/published-in-italy.html Dario rocks. :-) Cheers, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lytro...STUNNING technology
It's very impressive and clearly not crazy expensive. It will be interesting to see how it evolves. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ...at a surprisingly affordable price. Mark my words: This company is going to be purchased for a LOT of money by one of the Big Boys just to own the patents on this technology. http://www.petapixel.com/2011/10/24/a-closer-hands-on-look-at-the-lytro-light-field-camera/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+PetaPixel+%28PetaPixel%29 Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Here's an Asahi for ya ...
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Olympic Scroll down to the 1937 ad on the right side. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Egg, bacon, Dobo and Spam
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 07:50:28AM +0200, mike wilson wrote: On 25/10/2011 15:22, Bob W wrote: I received a junk email earlier with a link to some crap (didn't try it) purportedly from Frank and copied to some other current and former PDMLers, including the famed Dobo. Somebody's address book seems to have been plundered, so beware all. My version was only addressed to six people, all of whose addressses begin with M. That's similar to my experience (although not M, in my case). I've long deleted the actual message, but according to my procmail log the hesders were either genuiine or spoofed well enough to make it appear that the originating address (envelope-from, for the geeks) was knarftheria...@gmail.com Assuming this to be a typical mail compromise, that's the first place I'd look. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Query for the cyclists
On Oct 22, 2011, at 3:03, Bob W wrote: think about getting a saddle bag rather than a rack panniers. Saddle bags are well out of fashion but they are far more practical than a rack panniers, and much better than using a backpack. I am mystified as to the difference saddle bags and rack panniers. I even googled around a little bit but everything seemed to be lumped in together with no clear differences. Anyone care to school me? --- Sam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shameless plug
On 26/10/11, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/10/published-in-italy.html What a huge bear on the last page!!! I always thought they were white up there in the frozen wastes ;-) Great work to both Jostein and Dario? Bella! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck)
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: The tall cormorant in the middle looks a bit like Cotty. I agree. https://picasaweb.google.com/106773593359324596776/GFM07#5072645156893622786 Dave On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:58 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: There is absolutely no artistic merit in this photo. There is a great deal of guano. A duck. And two cormorants. It's amazing how you can capture so many aspects of the PDML in a single photograph. What more do you want? http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-cormorants-and-duck.html cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck)
On 26/10/11, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: The tall cormorant in the middle looks a bit like Cotty. I agree. https://picasaweb.google.com/106773593359324596776/GFM07#5072645156893622786 Savage is obviously thinking about all those models he snaps! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shameless plug
Excellent. And well deserved. Paul On Oct 26, 2011, at 9:33 AM, AlunFoto wrote: Hi gang, Dario did an interview with me in April, for an article on cold weather photography. IIRC, I'm the third PDML'er to be interviewed, the others being Tanya Love and Paul Stenquist. The other day I received a few copies of the magazine in the mail, and have posted images of the article here: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/10/published-in-italy.html Dario rocks. :-) Cheers, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Query for the cyclists
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Sam L samthegr...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 22, 2011, at 3:03, Bob W wrote: think about getting a saddle bag rather than a rack panniers. Saddle bags are well out of fashion but they are far more practical than a rack panniers, and much better than using a backpack. I am mystified as to the difference saddle bags and rack panniers. I even googled around a little bit but everything seemed to be lumped in together with no clear differences. Anyone care to school me? This is a saddle bag. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/bags-panniers-and-baskets/ostrich-saddle-bag.html It attaches to the rear of the saddle. They come in a variety of sizes, from large ones like the one shown at the link, to very small and intended to hold only a few tools or a spare tube. This is a pannier. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/bags-panniers-and-baskets/ostrich-panniers.html They attach to the side of a rack and also come in a variety of sizes. I'm not affiliated with Velo-Orange in any way, but they do have a lot of my money. -- Scott Loveless Camp Hill, PA USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Query for the cyclists
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 01:39:14PM -0400, Sam L wrote: On Oct 22, 2011, at 3:03, Bob W wrote: think about getting a saddle bag rather than a rack panniers. Saddle bags are well out of fashion but they are far more practical than a rack panniers, and much better than using a backpack. I am mystified as to the difference saddle bags and rack panniers. I even googled around a little bit but everything seemed to be lumped in together with no clear differences. Anyone care to school me? A saddlebag attaches to the (rear of the) saddle. Panniers attach to a framework, usually on either side of the rear wheel. The attachment frame often (but not always) incorporates a flat rack area above the rear wheel. I've got a rack on my bike that's large enough to transport a medium- sized camera bag (which I have to attach with bungee cords), and I also have a pair of removable panniers that can be attached to the rack. Panniers carry the weight lower, and generally have slightly higher capacity than a saddlebag. I bought mine for the occasional trip down to the shops or library, and for somewhere to stick a camera with a medium/long lens attached if I'm pootling around the neighbourhood. If I wanted something for bike-based touring I'd probably want something a bit better than a simple sack-with-a-zip; for one thing, I'd take factors like easy access to contents and wind resistance into account. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
A Question About a New Business
I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. My question is: What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck)
There is absolutely no artistic merit in this photo. There is a great deal of guano. A duck. And two cormorants. What more do you want? http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-cormorants-and-duck.html cheers, frank They're trying to pretend the duck isn't there, like people at the bus stop when a weirdo turns up B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Query for the cyclists
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Sam L samthegr...@gmail.com wrote: I am mystified as to the difference saddle bags and rack panniers. I even googled around a little bit but everything seemed to be lumped in together with no clear differences. Anyone care to school me? This is a saddle bag. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/bags-panniers-and-baskets/ostrich-saddle-bag.html It attaches to the rear of the saddle. They come in a variety of sizes, from large ones like the one shown at the link, to very small and intended to hold only a few tools or a spare tube. This is a pannier. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/bags-panniers-and-baskets/ostrich-panniers.html They attach to the side of a rack and also come in a variety of sizes. Aa. I get it now, and it even makes sense. It's just that I come from a motorcycling background where saddle bags = panniers. Thanks! --- Sam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
On 10/26/2011 12:46 PM, frank theriault wrote: I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). If you don't process the photos, or you don't value your time. I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. You'll sell more if you give them fewer photos to choose from. The problem is, narrowing it down takes time. My question is: What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. That depends on whether you are treating this as a business, or as a hobby that generates enough money to buy a few beers now and then. I figured out that if I wanted to make my living at photography, I had to bill my time shooting at $100/hour, which would work out to about $20 per hour if you include setup, teardown, transportation, sorting, processing etc. That's not looking at the time spent marketing. I'd guess that $200 to shoot a game would be a bit closer to beer money than making a living. You could do something like $200 for the first kid, $100 for the second, $75 for each up to 5 and $1000 for the team. My nominal price for 8x10s is $20 for the first one, with discounts for multiple prints of each one. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
i sometimes do jobs like that, or at least I used to -- not much time these days. I charged $100 up front but applied all of that toward the purchase of pictures. In other words, if the customer bought $100 worth of prints, then there was no session fee. I charged $25 for 12 x 18 prints, $15 for 8 x 12s and $10 for 5 x 7s. Most of my customers seemed to like that arrangement. Paul On Oct 26, 2011, at 3:46 PM, frank theriault wrote: I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. My question is: What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. My question is: What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank I'm a n00b so I can't comment on the pricing question. But I do have this to ask: why should a person choose your individualized type of service instead of the Dave Brooks model? It sounds like it would: - cost more - requires client to seek you out and commit to your services - be riskier for the client (how do they know if they'll be satisfied?) I can see someone might choose your type of service if they really wanted top/premium results because you are guaranteeing to focus solely on the 1 person. But I think you may have a hard time getting clients because you are really just starting out in this business. It might be easier to start out on the Dave Brooks model and then as you build up clients and portfolio migrate to the, Premium Knarf Model. Hopefully I sound like only the 2nd largest donkey instead of the 1st largest one. :-) --- Sam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Query for the cyclists
On 10/26/2011 12:51 PM, Sam L wrote: Aa. I get it now, and it even makes sense. It's just that I come from a motorcycling background where saddle bags = panniers. Oddly enough that seems to be the same in the equestrian world. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lytro...STUNNING technology
Could they have made these devices any uglier and difficult to hold/use though? No problem. Apple will take this technology, make it stylish, and then patent the results. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: It's very impressive and clearly not crazy expensive. It will be interesting to see how it evolves. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ...at a surprisingly affordable price. Mark my words: This company is going to be purchased for a LOT of money by one of the Big Boys just to own the patents on this technology. http://www.petapixel.com/2011/10/24/a-closer-hands-on-look-at-the-lytro-light-field-camera/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+PetaPixel+%28PetaPixel%29 Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
I have no idea what you should charge for something like that. However if prints are included in the fee you have to make sure that you cover that cost. The biggest problem I see is marketing. You have to let people know that you're available for that kind of work. The second biggest problem is that you are really selling is a luxury good that is unfortunately something that a parent with a decent camera and slightly more talent than the average perceives that they could do for themselves. So that's you competition. On 10/26/2011 3:46 PM, frank theriault wrote: I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. My question is: What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lytro...STUNNING technology
Of course they could. But I get the feeling that these guys are technologists, not photographers per se. On 10/26/2011 11:24 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Oct 26, 2011, at 10:03, Darren Addy wrote: ...at a surprisingly affordable price. Mark my words: This company is going to be purchased for a LOT of money by one of the Big Boys just to own the patents on this technology. http://www.petapixel.com/2011/10/24/a-closer-hands-on-look-at-the-lytro-light-field-camera/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+PetaPixel+%28PetaPixel%29 Could they have made these devices any uglier and difficult to hold/use though? My goodness. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Sam L samthegr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a n00b so I can't comment on the pricing question. I'm a noob (at this) as well, that's why I'm asking the list to share their expertise with me. ;-) But I do have this to ask: why should a person choose your individualized type of service instead of the Dave Brooks model? It sounds like it would: - cost more - requires client to seek you out and commit to your services - be riskier for the client (how do they know if they'll be satisfied?) Well for one thing, the Brooks model is being done. I'm thinking I want to do something that no one else is doing, otherwise why choose me over all the others out there with lots of experience? Besides, I've seen the online galleries that these guys provide. If you're lucky, maybe one or two shots of your kid, and they all look the same - some banal non-action shot of your kid skating by the photographer with a hockey stick in his/her hands. My way mom and dad will choose from lots of action shots - that's my selling point. I'll be shooting hundreds, culling them down to maybe dozens of (what I hope will be) very high-quality shots, giving them some real choice of very interesting game action shots. I am thinking that I could give some sort of guarantee that if they're not happy with the shots, I'll do another shoot for free, but I also don't want that to be abused, so I'm still considering it. I can see someone might choose your type of service if they really wanted top/premium results because you are guaranteeing to focus solely on the 1 person. But I think you may have a hard time getting clients because you are really just starting out in this business. I agree, so marketing will be key. It might be easier to start out on the Dave Brooks model and then as you build up clients and portfolio migrate to the, Premium Knarf Model. I have found with things like this it can be hard to make that transition. IIRC, Dave left that gig because (among other reasons) the market was becoming saturated with others doing the same thing as him. Prices were falling and he wasn't making money. Since there are already several (that I know of) doing this in general sports photography, why enter that fray? Hopefully I sound like only the 2nd largest donkey instead of the 1st largest one. :-) ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Can anyone help me identify these animals?
I would like anyone familiar with cattle breeds to look at this PESO, and let me know what breed they think the particular animals pictured might be. http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=154 I would also appreciate any comments on the image itself. Thanks, Dan Matyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: snip I'd guess that $200 to shoot a game would be a bit closer to beer money than making a living. You could do something like $200 for the first kid, $100 for the second, $75 for each up to 5 and $1000 for the team. Given my experience level that's not far off what I was thinking, at least for the initial fee. Interesting fee structure of extras. Something to think about. Thanks, Larry!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: i sometimes do jobs like that, or at least I used to -- not much time these days. I charged $100 up front but applied all of that toward the purchase of pictures. In other words, if the customer bought $100 worth of prints, then there was no session fee. I charged $25 for 12 x 18 prints, $15 for 8 x 12s and $10 for 5 x 7s. Most of my customers seemed to like that arrangement. Thanks, Paul!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO AstroTracer first try
Today my O-GPS1 arrived and the sky cleared during sunset. http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/199-astrotracer-first-try It claims it can track star for 3 minutes at 200mm. The tracking at 200 mm isn't spot on maybe it needs more time to find more sats and or I need to redo the advanced calibration. Like Larry mentioned before it's amazing what a modern dslr can do. Toine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Boise Aurora
Well seen and very nicely rendered. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14474813 Probably needed to have stepped outside 10 minutes earlier. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shameless plug
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:33 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang, Dario did an interview with me in April, for an article on cold weather photography. IIRC, I'm the third PDML'er to be interviewed, the others being Tanya Love and Paul Stenquist. The other day I received a few copies of the magazine in the mail, and have posted images of the article here: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/10/published-in-italy.html Dario rocks. :-) Wonderful article - congrats all around! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Boise Aurora
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=14474813 Gorgeous! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Q Review
Odd review at http://wouter28mm.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/week-41-2011/ -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
BTW, a combination of a low fee and modest print prices seemed to be the only method that really produced results when it came to shooting kids. There's a lot of competition out there. And I found that the idea that the first $100 worth of prints were already paid for resulted in a larger total order. Beer money plus some left over for lenses is about all one can expect to earn from kid photography, but beer and lenses are good things! Paul On Oct 26, 2011, at 4:45 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: i sometimes do jobs like that, or at least I used to -- not much time these days. I charged $100 up front but applied all of that toward the purchase of pictures. In other words, if the customer bought $100 worth of prints, then there was no session fee. I charged $25 for 12 x 18 prints, $15 for 8 x 12s and $10 for 5 x 7s. Most of my customers seemed to like that arrangement. Thanks, Paul!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Can anyone help me identify these animals?
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I would like anyone familiar with cattle breeds to look at this PESO, and let me know what breed they think the particular animals pictured might be. http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=154 I would also appreciate any comments on the image itself. Cool looking animals whatever they may be. Nice photo of them, too. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Egg, bacon, Dobo and Spam
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I received a junk email earlier with a link to some crap (didn't try it) purportedly from Frank and copied to some other current and former PDMLers, including the famed Dobo. Somebody's address book seems to have been plundered, so beware all. Trust nobody. Least of all, me. ;-) It seems that someone got a hold of my hotmail account (which I haven't used in years) and has been using it for spamming purposes. Once I figured out what happened I went to hotmail to try to remedy or at least stop it and was told that my access would be denied until I re-registered because someone had been using it for spam. Duh!! So I re-registered then closed the account. Hopefully that will solve the problem. Sorry about all this! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO AstroTracer first try
On 10/26/2011 1:49 PM, Toine wrote: Today my O-GPS1 arrived and the sky cleared during sunset. http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/199-astrotracer-first-try Excellent! It claims it can track star for 3 minutes at 200mm. The tracking at 200 mm isn't spot on maybe it needs more time to find more sats and or I need to redo the advanced calibration. I've been running into some of the same issues. I've been throwing all of my sets into: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157627826423347/ The last set has some rough comparisons of with and without astrotracing (a couple showing stuff on the earth to get some idea how much it actually moves). It would be nice if there were a bit more precise adjustment of the focal length. For general shake reduction, any sort of an improvement is helpful, but for astrotracing you need it to be pretty close to spot on. My SCWAG is that it compensates for about 90% of the movement. I haven't tested to see if that 10% is not being accurate enough, or if it's because the sensor only moves linearly. One way to test would be to take shots with and without it aiming at various latitudes: Polar, equatorial, and some in between. It's possible that the best results would be obtained with the camera pointing straight up, or due directly west or east. I also suspect that to get the best results will require photo stacking. Like Larry mentioned before it's amazing what a modern dslr can do. I suspect that for a bunch of people, this is going to be the killer app that brings them to Pentax. I sincerely hope that they take this and improve the software. I wish they'd just add a tuning mode that works kind of like dust alert. You take a shot, it analyzes the resultant star trails, and then corrects the following photos based on the results. Toine -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Breaking into Victorville
These photos are several flavors of cool: http://www.silentuk.com/?p=3374 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO AstroTracer first try
Thanks for sharing these. It is indeed an amazing and ground-breaking technology. I was taken back, a bit, by the diffraction spikes on the close-up of Jupiter. One doesn't expect diffraction spikes on what is essentially a refractor system. A bit of googling on the subject came up with this explanation, however (which I was not aware of): ...some are the result of the microlenses on many modern CCD's. These typically give smaller spikes than the normal ones from obstructions, but are plainly visible on brighter stars. As such, you then have the decision of whether to process and remove these, or leave them. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Query for the cyclists
On Oct 26, 2011, at 14:40, John Francis wrote: A saddlebag attaches to the (rear of the) saddle. Panniers attach to a framework, usually on either side of the rear wheel. The attachment frame often (but not always) incorporates a flat rack area above the rear wheel. Or front. You can get racks on the front wheel and attach bags there as well. Hard-core cross-country travelers will have panniers in front AND on the rear. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Can anyone help me identify these animals?
On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I would like anyone familiar with cattle breeds to look at this PESO, and let me know what breed they think the particular animals pictured might be. http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=154 I'm not familiar with cattle breeds but Googling cattle large straight horns suggests Ankole-Watusi: http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/ankolewatusi/index.htm I would also appreciate any comments on the image itself. Good job. Nicely balanced composition although it would have been improved if you could have moved slightly to avoid the grass in front of the face of the nearest beast. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q Review
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Odd review at http://wouter28mm.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/week-41-2011/ Can't find it anywhere. I see a photoblog. He talks about cameras in impressions but I don't see the Q. Help with navigation please? cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast
On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:42 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Yes i agree with Brian, the corrected version has a nice feel to it. I think you mean Dan but thanks to you both. :-) When I saw the preview image on the camera's LCD, I thought it could be interesting but the colour cast was much more pronounced when seen on the PC. Very 'otherworldly'! Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Dave On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the color cast gives the image a strong otherworldly feel. All in all, however, the corrected version is better, and quite an effective image. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all First, thanks for the comments on Cauldron - Jack, Mark, Walt, Bob, Paul, Ken. Much appreciated. As I mentioned in that post, I took a number of similar shots, some of which showed a strong magenta colour cast due to the use of a cheap ND filter. Here's a fairly dramatic example (30 second exposure, f22, ISO 100, 3 stacked ND filters): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a-PESO.html First lesson learned - don't use cheap ND filters. Anyway, as an exercise I thought I'd have a go at reducing the effect of the cast. This is what I came up with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a1-PESO.html It's certainly an improvement but I'd be interested in any comments on how it compares with the original 'Cauldron' post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3232a-peso.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q Review
You found it Frank. This is why I said Odd. ;-) On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:51 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Odd review at http://wouter28mm.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/week-41-2011/ Can't find it anywhere. I see a photoblog. He talks about cameras in impressions but I don't see the Q. Help with navigation please? cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast
On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:46 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: To be clear, I didn't see the wildly magenta version included in this post. UGH! On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:39 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I do not, at all, like the redo's green cast. Much prefer the orig. Sky glow allows the very slight magenta. I prefer the version depicted on the last URL on this post. Thanks, Jack. 'Ugh' was my first reaction as well. I could probably reduce the green colour cast if I spent more time with the image but it hardly seems worthwhile given that I have a similar image that's acceptable. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Jack - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast Yes i agree with Brian, the corrected version has a nice feel to it. Dave On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the color cast gives the image a strong otherworldly feel. All in all, however, the corrected version is better, and quite an effective image. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all First, thanks for the comments on Cauldron - Jack, Mark, Walt, Bob, Paul, Ken. Much appreciated. As I mentioned in that post, I took a number of similar shots, some of which showed a strong magenta colour cast due to the use of a cheap ND filter. Here's a fairly dramatic example (30 second exposure, f22, ISO 100, 3 stacked ND filters): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a-PESO.html First lesson learned - don't use cheap ND filters. Anyway, as an exercise I thought I'd have a go at reducing the effect of the cast. This is what I came up with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a1-PESO.html It's certainly an improvement but I'd be interested in any comments on how it compares with the original 'Cauldron' post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3232a-peso.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast
On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:24 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Both are more than 'acceptable' to me, but I do prefer 'unmanipulated' outdoor scenes. So I would prefer the latest version, without the magenta cast. But having said that, without knowing the issue with the filters, I could easily assume the magenta cast, was what you saw as you tripped the shutter. Thanks for the feedback, Ken. The consensus seems to be that the unmanipulated image is preferable - and that's my preference as well. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm Subject: PESOs - Cauldron - Getting Rid of a Magenta Colour Cast G'day all First, thanks for the comments on Cauldron - Jack, Mark, Walt, Bob, Paul, Ken. Much appreciated. As I mentioned in that post, I took a number of similar shots, some of which showed a strong magenta colour cast due to the use of a cheap ND filter. Here's a fairly dramatic example (30 second exposure, f22, ISO 100, 3 stacked ND filters): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a-PESO.html First lesson learned - don't use cheap ND filters. Anyway, as an exercise I thought I'd have a go at reducing the effect of the cast. This is what I came up with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3230a1-PESO.html It's certainly an improvement but I'd be interested in any comments on how it compares with the original 'Cauldron' post: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP3232a-peso.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q Review
On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:51 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Odd review at http://wouter28mm.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/week-41-2011/ Can't find it anywhere. I see a photoblog. He talks about cameras in impressions but I don't see the Q. Help with navigation please? He mentions the 'Q' under the first photo and apparently the photos on the page were taken with it. Presumably he's testing the Q and will post his overall 'impressions' in a future post under .Impressions. But, as Steve says - it's a bit odd. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
Hi Frank - I can't give you any advice on price, but there is one thing you might check out. Some leagues have a contract with a photographer that will grant exclusive rights to any photography sales. You'll never see the guy until he hears that you're selling pictures, then he'll pop up from the woodwork to complain that you're encroaching on his territory. You can check it out with a phone call to the league's organizer. gs George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net plus.georgesinos.com On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:46 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. My question is: What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck)
On 10/26/2011 15:50, Bob W wrote: There is absolutely no artistic merit in this photo. There is a great deal of guano. A duck. And two cormorants. What more do you want? http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-cormorants-and-duck.html cheers, frank nothing more -- well - I'd like it just a tad darker or more saturated OR in BW... but this comment of Bob's... They're trying to pretend the duck isn't there, like people at the bus stop when a weirdo turns up B ... says it all - and I love the shot. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q Review
I like the pictures but they are on the exotic side. What a funny little camera. There's just a curiosity about it. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:51 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Odd review at http://wouter28mm.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/week-41-2011/ Can't find it anywhere. I see a photoblog. He talks about cameras in impressions but I don't see the Q. Help with navigation please? He mentions the 'Q' under the first photo and apparently the photos on the page were taken with it. Presumably he's testing the Q and will post his overall 'impressions' in a future post under .Impressions. But, as Steve says - it's a bit odd. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Q Review
I played with one in Henry's yesterday. It is a funny little camera. When I went to look through the viewfinder I realized that something was missing. At 7:06 PM -0400 10/26/11, Steven Desjardins wrote: I like the pictures but they are on the exotic side. What a funny little camera. There's just a curiosity about it. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:51 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Odd review at http://wouter28mm.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/week-41-2011/ Can't find it anywhere. I see a photoblog. He talks about cameras in impressions but I don't see the Q. Help with navigation please? He mentions the 'Q' under the first photo and apparently the photos on the page were taken with it. Presumably he's testing the Q and will post his overall 'impressions' in a future post under .Impressions. But, as Steve says - it's a bit odd. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck)
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: PESO - Two Cormorants (and a Duck) There is absolutely no artistic merit in this photo. There is a great deal of guano. A duck. And two cormorants. What more do you want? http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-cormorants-and-duck.html cheers, frank They're trying to pretend the duck isn't there, like people at the bus stop when a weirdo turns up Or like Nikon Canon users when a Pentax user shows up. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
On 26/10/11, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: Thanks in advance for your input!! I think that the hardest work you will do - and that will demand the most talent - is selling yourself and your abilities to provide what most people think they can do themselves. My advice would be to make sure you have a good portfolio of shots to show, and target your clientele - you want some rich bitches! You may laugh - what I do is not a far cry from this, except with video. When I started out, I pitched myself where I thought companies could afford - which didn't seem too cheap, nor too expensive. I was wrong. The companies I do videos for *need* to feel they are getting the best they can afford - when I put my prices up, the work increased. If your fee is too low, you'll have the penny-pinchers interested. Put your fee up to what you might think is a bit too much, and you'll have clients with fat wallets interested. YMMV ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:46:36 -0400 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Front $75-100 an hour for shooting and doing the basic processing for no more than the best 20 shots of each shoot. (any more and dithering will kill ya) Not sure how to set up the Prints marketing maybe up to 5 8X10 in the initial depending on your printer or if you are doing it your self. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
Frank, I just had one of my crazy ideas. I was thinking about the fact that you are competing against the parents that are there anyways, have DSLRs and take the photos for free. A lot of these parents have never owned a serious camera before, and I bet most of them have never even been taught the basics of how to hold the camera, never mind pre-focusing, when to use auto exposure, or even the difference between aperture and shutter speed. Rather than competing against them, make them your customers. Talk to each team. Plan to have one evening on lecture (the parent who provides the house for doing the lecture gets a big discount) on the basics of using a DSLR. The lecture would be two hours long and would cost $75 each. Then, for $200, you will show up at a game, with your camera, to help and advise your students. Each of your students gets a CD of 1200pixel jpegs of the pictures you took that day, with the option of buying prints. I'm willing to bet that this isn't something that a lot of people are selling. Also, I wouldn't target it the marketing at the dads, I'd target it at the moms, who don't have quite so much ego invested in thinking that they are already great photographers. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Can anyone help me identify these animals?
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I would like anyone familiar with cattle breeds to look at this PESO, and let me know what breed they think the particular animals pictured might be. http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=154 I would also appreciate any comments on the image itself. Pretty sure its not Cotty Dave Thanks, Dan Matyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Frank, I just had one of my crazy ideas. I was thinking about the fact that you are competing against the parents that are there anyways, have DSLRs and take the photos for free. A lot of these parents have never owned a serious camera before, and I bet most of them have never even been taught the basics of how to hold the camera, never mind pre-focusing, when to use auto exposure, or even the difference between aperture and shutter speed. Rather than competing against them, make them your customers. Talk to each team. Plan to have one evening on lecture (the parent who provides the house for doing the lecture gets a big discount) on the basics of using a DSLR. The lecture would be two hours long and would cost $75 each. Then, for $200, you will show up at a game, with your camera, to help and advise your students. Each of your students gets a CD of 1200pixel jpegs of the pictures you took that day, with the option of buying prints. I'm willing to bet that this isn't something that a lot of people are selling. Also, I wouldn't target it the marketing at the dads, I'd target it at the moms, who don't have quite so much ego invested in thinking that they are already great photographers. I don't think that's all that crazy... I just today taught my 2nd Photography for Moms workshop. I see parents all the time with DSLRs they don't know how to use, and who comment on how my camera takes such good pictures. (gah!) I also have a studio space that works great as a classroom during those weekday mornings when moms are available... I've gotten good response so far. I enjoy the teaching aspect of it, and there's no post-processing when the session ends! I also have a friend who (I think) is doing the same kind of thing you are talking about, Frank. Here is his website, if you want to take a look: http://www.sidelineportraits.com/index2.php I think he has found it challenging to transition from the dad with the nice camera who shares his photos with us to the guy who wants us to buy his photos... This may not be your situation, but it's a cautionary tale about pricing yourself too low... Best of luck -- keep us posted! :) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
Frank. The big many is or at least was hockey tournaments. There the big boys show up and shoot all weekend long and sell on site and make a small fortune. Now, that's just the tournament, during regular games, my hockey Dad associates tell me there usually is no one shooting. Try that venue may prove helpful, just be sure to only shoot the kid(s) that the parents ask you to. I did this a few times and had some real nasty run ins with the other parents cause i was taking pictures of their kids for some evil purpose. Thankfully my hockey Dad's calmed them down and eventually wanted to see the shots, led to one sale any way./:-) Dave On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. My question is: What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Can anyone help me identify these animals?
The horns look like an African breed, the coloring is similar to a Texas Longhorn. Could be a cross between the two. -p On 10/26/2011 7:22 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I would like anyone familiar with cattle breeds to look at this PESO, and let me know what breed they think the particular animals pictured might be. http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=154 I would also appreciate any comments on the image itself. Pretty sure its not Cotty Dave Thanks, Dan Matyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
Sounds like a plan, Frank. I was going to suggest what you've already decided to do and that is to put together a portfolio (hard copy) to represent your work. I might suggest you offer to take a full gear portrait or posed action shot as part of the package.(?) When you've gotten to that point, I'll be anxious to hear what you are considering as a fee Best, Jack. - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: A Question About a New Business I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. My question is: What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PPG - No Comment
I took the Allow off. It was sweet to get nice props from Brian, Bong, and Dan, but I think I'd rather the reviews didn't show up if someone wanted to look at the i for tech info or location of shot, etc. My email address is there, my smugmug webpage is there - I don't see the need. Rather new viewers just look at the photos and point friends to them if they like. Overwhelming to comment on others, too... a PESO a time is fine.. I've gotten really severely hit by this cold - sleep sleep sleep and crappy tv shows and all the chicken soup is gone. annoying. sorry for the oh poor me but I'm so normally up and energetic it's difficult. If I had not had a flu shot I guess this would be worse ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: A Question About a New Business
From: frank theriault I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). Figure out what you need to charge as an hourly rate figure the average little league game is going to run at least 2 hrs. Set your rates accordingly 2 hrs, 3 hrs, 4 hrs ... I'd also charge more for the prints. You have to cover your overhead in addition to the costs of the prints themselves, which includes the time you spent on post process and proofing. Figure if you're going to spend two hours shooting some kid, you're going to spend at least another two hours with the mom going through those photos while she picks out the ones she wants. And it seems like they're more likely to squawk about the prices if you try to set them too low than if you set them too high. It seems to be that if they think you don't value your time very highly, neither will they. I'm still working out my own pricing, but I'm figuring on $150 an hour. If I shoot for 1 hour, I know I'm probably going to spend another hour in post processing and at least an hour presenting the finished images to the client. I'm going to charge for the shooting time the post process time. My prices for prints will pay for the time I spend setting up, breaking down and presentation as well as the cost of the print itself. PLUS a profit. If you can find a copy there's a very good video/webinar by Ann Monteith called Pricing for Profit. I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. One other thing I'd look into is custom Baseball Cards (or football cards, soccer cards, ... sports cards - trading cards) for the kid to give out to their friends. My question is: What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
From: Sam L On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. ?For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. ?There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. ?Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. My question is: ?What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? ?I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. ?If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. ?I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank I'm a n00b so I can't comment on the pricing question. But I do have this to ask: why should a person choose your individualized type of service instead of the Dave Brooks model? It sounds like it would: - cost more - requires client to seek you out and commit to your services - be riskier for the client (how do they know if they'll be satisfied?) I can see someone might choose your type of service if they really wanted top/premium results because you are guaranteeing to focus solely on the 1 person. But I think you may have a hard time getting clients because you are really just starting out in this business. It might be easier to start out on the Dave Brooks model and then as you build up clients and portfolio migrate to the, Premium Knarf Model. Hopefully I sound like only the 2nd largest donkey instead of the 1st largest one. Think of it as breaking into the wedding photography business without having to shoot weddings. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lytro...STUNNING technology
Without making it any less difficult to use. From: Steven Desjardins Could they have made these devices any uglier and difficult to hold/use though? No problem. Apple will take this technology, make it stylish, and then patent the results. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: It's very impressive and clearly not crazy expensive. ?It will be interesting to see how it evolves. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: ...at a surprisingly affordable price. Mark my words: This company is going to be purchased for a LOT of money by one of the Big Boys just to own the patents on this technology. http://www.petapixel.com/2011/10/24/a-closer-hands-on-look-at-the-lytro-light-field-camera/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+PetaPixel+%28PetaPixel%29 Darren Addy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PPG voting stuff... ooooops! some bugs still creeping around there.
2 things - while the first photo you see is pretty large, the quality doesn't seem as good as when you click on enlarge - I think I may have nayed a couple of things I might have liked enough had I clicked enlrge first. but MOST important - I think can safely say that pending photos seem not to have been erased. How do I know? (drum roll) Because I just got offered one of MINE to vote on! a black and white, digital, somewhat appropriate to a coming holiday.. (note I carefully avoid saying WHICH holiday) and at least some of you would recognize it as mine , but I will say it , at least, isn't on my open galleries on smugmug. I did not tempt Providence by giving it a thumbs up nor could I bring myself to vote no Just voted for a while -- lots of mediocre stuff, sad to say... but not all. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A Question About a New Business
On Oct 26, 2011, at 10:00 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Sam L On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the process of starting a part time photography business. Here's the idea: You've got a kid in Little League baseball, minor league hockey, high school football, soccer, whatever. ?For a fee, I show up with cameras in hand and take hundreds of game photos, concentrating on your kid. It doesn't have to be your kid, it can be anyone you want to pay me to photograph. Then I take the best of them, we look through the proofs and you choose which ones you want have prints made of. I guess it would be a bit like what Dave Brooks used to do at horsie shows except rather than take the photos and try to sell them, I'd be paid in advance to take the pix (my fee would include one free 8x10, after that you'd pay per print - I'd say my retail plus 50% is realistic, but I wouldn't tell the clients that). I've done a bit of research and no one else in town provides this exact service, near as I can tell. ?There are guys and gals doing sports photography, but they'll do a whole team and charge like $2000. ?Or, they'll do something similar to Dave where they shoot an event, post the pix and parents are invited to look online and order the prints which are then mailed to them by some printing service in the USA. So, this would be a more individualized and customized arrangement, where I'd concentrate on a single player over the course of an event so the person(s) who hired me could choose from hundreds of photos. My question is: ?What does anyone think I should charge for that one time (up front!) fee? ?I'm just starting out, so I can't go too high, but I also don't want to look like some amateur hack by underpricing. I will be able to show the baseball pix I took this summer along with a few other events in my on-line ad, but I don't have a web site so I'm not going to look terribly professional as it is. ?If this thing goes well, a more professional presentation will be invested in. I won't tell anyone what I'm thinking my fee range is just yet, so as not to skew answers. ?I'll be most interested to hear what you have to say. Thanks in advance for your input!! cheers, frank I'm a n00b so I can't comment on the pricing question. But I do have this to ask: why should a person choose your individualized type of service instead of the Dave Brooks model? It sounds like it would: - cost more - requires client to seek you out and commit to your services - be riskier for the client (how do they know if they'll be satisfied?) I can see someone might choose your type of service if they really wanted top/premium results because you are guaranteeing to focus solely on the 1 person. But I think you may have a hard time getting clients because you are really just starting out in this business. It might be easier to start out on the Dave Brooks model and then as you build up clients and portfolio migrate to the, Premium Knarf Model. Hopefully I sound like only the 2nd largest donkey instead of the 1st largest one. Think of it as breaking into the wedding photography business without having to shoot weddings. Unfortunately, parents of little league ballplayers don't think of it in the same financial terms as a wedding. You can't price this kind of photography based on what you might think your time is worth. You have to base it on what the parents will think the pictures are worth. And that's not very much. Low prices and high volume are the only possible path to a decent profit here. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Morning Calm Part II (a tale of two photos)
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Frank, Both are nice, but #2 with the ducks is better. It's not the ducks, but the water and skyline. The water has 2 or 3 parts to it and the skyline is more mysterious, shrouded more in fog. Regards, Bob S. Funny, but it's so obvious to me that the colour shot with the ducks is the better shot, I'm surprised that there's any discussion in that regard (and there is!). ;-) For the reasons that you mention, plus a really cool comment you made when when I first posted the duck one, Bob, about the Toronto skyline emerging from the mist like the Emerald City, I really prefer that one. The calm water zig-zagging between the lightly rippled water reminds me of the yellow brick road. Anyway, thanks to all for the comments and discussion. I guess art (not that this is art, but you know what I mean) is in the eye of the beholder, eh? ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Morning Calm Part II (a tale of two photos)
On 10/26/2011 7:27 PM, frank theriault wrote: Anyway, thanks to all for the comments and discussion. I guess art (not that this is art, but you know what I mean) is in the eye of the beholder, eh? Actually, it's just that the artist the the worst judge of their own work. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Can anyone help me identify these animals?
From: frank theriault On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I would like anyone familiar with cattle breeds to look at this PESO, and let me know what breed they think the particular animals pictured might be. http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=154 I would also appreciate any comments on the image itself. Cool looking animals whatever they may be. Nice photo of them, too. cheers, frank Possibly Ankole aka watusi cattle? http://www.google.com/search?hl=engbv=2biw=1442bih=864tbm=ischsa=1q=Ankole+cattlebtnG=Searchoq=Ankole+cattleaq=faqi=g1g-S3aql=1gs_sm=sgs_upl=3794l3794l0l5524l1l1l0l0l0l0l186l186l0.1l1l0 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: You may get crap from me
I'm surprised that you can spam from a Hotmail account. Mine was shut down because /I/ was a spammer when I attempted to send all of my contacts an e-mail telling them that it was now my primary account. On 10/26/2011 9:56 AM, frank theriault wrote: I didn't want to put the word spam in the SL, but that's what some of you may have gotten from me in recent days. It seems that my old Hotmail account (which has lay dormant for years) has been hacked into and is being used to send spam to my contacts. I know of at least one person on this list to whom this may have been sent. So if you see something from me with the SL FW - 6 or simply 6 or if you get anything from knarftheria...@hotmail.com it's spam. Don't open it. I'm now going to shut down that account. At least I'll try. Sorry for the inconvenience. cheers, frank -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
