Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On 10 April 2013 12:50, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the classic mnemonic I was taught at school - B (rackets) O (vers) D (ivision) M (ultiplication) A (dditions) S (ubtractions) Which often gives the correct answer, but equally can give an incorrect one! It should always give a reliable answer, the problem is that the mnemonic is often taken too literally (which is obvious in the FB thread). It's not a great tool IMO because it's flawed in that the implication is that division comes before multiplication and addition before subtraction which is not the case, the components of any equation are solved left to right in their particular tier of operations. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
[PlainText] MoreScratch.txt
A walk in blustery, cold Peel the other day found me looking at details. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8634405172/lightbox This and five other photos from Peel are available in a small set at http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157633203853634/ Enjoy! Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On 10 Apr 2013, at 05:22, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Given the size of the system and hence its inertia f[...] the general direction at which this juggernaut is moving on its own... I blame the physics teachers... :0) B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO 2013 - in Peel - GDG
Pardon the double post. Made a couple errors on the initial one. A walk in blustery, cold Peel the other day found me looking at details. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8634405172/lightbox This and five other photos from are available in a small set at http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157633203853634/ Enjoy! Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408.431.4601 cell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
Bob, you're wrong. The Englishman with Jewish name Izik is the one to blame... :- On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 05:22, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Given the size of the system and hence its inertia f[...] the general direction at which this juggernaut is moving on its own... I blame the physics teachers... :0) B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
An excellent gallery! I especially enjoy Steve Sharpe's Tracks and Ken's Bud. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery. I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice. As usual, you'll find the gallery here: http://pug.komkon.org/ (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there) Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the gallery, let me know. + Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'. Pick a book title and present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not! Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line. * Nominal closing date for submissions: 30 April. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at home. Children who come from families that put a high priority on education do well in school. If kids see their parents reading in their free time, they will consider reading a viable leisure time activity. If they see their parents watching TV, getting drunk etc. that's what they will consider normal. Very true. But unfortunately many of today's parents won't provide that kind of home environment, and if we merely dismiss their children as uneducable we sustain that model. There are places where the schools have to take over and do a better job. Detroit, for example. I cannot possibly agree more here... The value of education does not depend on the way the teachers are paid or system is organized. Obviously some schools are better some are less so. Some teachers are more interesting and some others are more boring. The point is - what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn - they'll learn. If their parents can afford - it will be private extra-curriculum tuition. If not - it will be something else. Mind you - I have some very concrete examples around me, although obviously in my country, not USA. It all stems from the family position on the matter. We live in a culture where people who excel at stick and ball games are worshipped as heros, where kids who speak properly, and do well in science and math are teased and taunted as socially awkward nerds and geeks. And, then we wonder why are schools are failing us. Very similar here as well... Complaining about school performance in our culture, is like complaining that you can't get decent photos because Pentax doesn't make a full frame body, when you haven't even learned the basics well enough to get the best performance out of the cameras they do make. See, I can drag this topic, kicking and screaming back to the topic of photography. The reason that kids in charter schools do better is simply because they have parents that care enough about their education to put them in what they perceive as better schools. That's partly true, and the charter school provides a better environment for learning. Those kids would still do better than their peers in public schools. The biggest effect of charter schools, vouchers etc. is to separate the kids who have parents that care about their education from the ones who don't. Charter schools also tend to be staffed with teachers who care more about education than their paycheck and benefits. The solution isn't perfect, but it helps ensure that at least part of the population will be educated. Hmmm... If you have such a system it is pure gold because it ensures that at least part of your population will get reasonably good education. Just my cents... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
Including under god in the pledge of allegiance is hardly worship. It is mostly a recognition that Americans are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that can not be taken away by the government. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe in the concept of worship. Methinks your perspective is skewed by your own lens. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 4/9/2013 5:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: Methinks they doth protest too much -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Airbourne
Actually a him:-) Thanks for the comments all. I have been playing with the spot heal brush in PS trying to get rid of that other kid, but with litle success. I have other photos with kids in the back ground but farther away, and they seem to be able to get rid of. May be not enough back ground colours to work with??? Dave On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I agree. An excellent shot. Make her a print! Paul On Apr 9, 2013, at 7:18 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Hey, hey, really nice! You not only caught her at a great point, you caught him at great complimentary point. Well done! That sort of thing is not easy to do. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 4/9/2013 8:24:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pentko...@gmail.com writes: Looking at the shots from last night at the trampoline place: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17136812 K-5 DFA 50 f2.8 , ISO 6400, LR 4 adjustments but not much Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Dan On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2013 - in Peel - GDG
The first image is very cute, and seems very, very British. (or should I say Manx?) The other image, of the wall, is very strong and compelling; great color, geometry and textures. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: Pardon the double post. Made a couple errors on the initial one. A walk in blustery, cold Peel the other day found me looking at details. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8634405172/lightbox This and five other photos from are available in a small set at http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157633203853634/ Enjoy! Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408.431.4601 cell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)
I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder: http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by the government isn't going to happen. That's history. Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with, of course, some caveats): http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental disabilities). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Including under god in the pledge of allegiance is hardly worship. It is mostly a recognition that Americans are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that can not be taken away by the government. Do you support tax breaks for worshippers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: Carrie Furnace
Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so I thought I'd share. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402type=1 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. But those too have created gods in their own image, just as people have done since the beginning of time. Witness the Christmas displays in Santa Monica stage by the atheists. They outdid all the religious groups. They worship at the shrine of secularism. We all have our gods. Category error, you are warping other people's beliefs to suit your own. When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less. Not my beliefs. I'm agnostic. But mankind has always found something to believe in, and a new system of beliefs always involves rejection of the old. Today's secularists are to christians what the christians and jews were to sun worshipers thousands of years ago. You are mixing up beliefs, gods, and worship. You are making as much sense as Humpty Dumpty. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace
On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:15 , Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so I thought I'd share. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402type=1 Fascinating stuff! Thanks for sharing, Zos. I liked Free Candy for its humor. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peel
A collection of charming photos, well seen, captured, presented. I find Reflection and Backdoor particularly nice. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 12 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:00:37 +0100 From: Godfrey DiGiorgigodfreydigio...@me.com To: PAW Picture-A-Week projectp...@micapeak.com,SeePhoto Talk seeph...@micapeak.com, PDMLPDML@pdml.net, BAPhotoShooters baphotoshoot...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [PlainText] MoreScratch.txt Message-ID:4820533a-449c-41e7-b8a4-db4ef1be4...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A walk in blustery, cold Peel the other day found me looking at details. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8634405172/lightbox This and five other photos from Peel are available in a small set at http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157633203853634/ Enjoy! Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [PlainText] MoreScratch.txt
A great collection of details. Charles St is my choice of the lot. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com Subject: [PlainText] MoreScratch.txt A walk in blustery, cold Peel the other day found me looking at details. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/8634405172/lightbox This and five other photos from Peel are available in a small set at http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157633203853634/ Enjoy! Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re:GESO: Carrie Furnace
Some very strong images there. I think your choices of BW vs Color were appropriate. Nice envy inducing work. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 12 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:15:39 -0400 From: Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: GESO: Carrie Furnace Message-ID: CAKN1KjOYvf=9tj78owy8patxk68rpgxmd5xyzfboei75-8v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so I thought I'd share. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402type=1 -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace
Really like this one: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=434486426639777 and this one also stands out: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=434486706639749 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:15 , Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so I thought I'd share. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402type=1 Fascinating stuff! Thanks for sharing, Zos. I liked Free Candy for its humor. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace
Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. Wonderful work but are you sure the furnace is that old? Looks more like 1930's to me. Anyway, great stuff. Pity it's so far away from here... Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On 10/04/2013 7:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Yo won't run into the situation that is happening in Georgia (IIRC) where an entire school board is under the microscope for marks cheating to enhance their districts scores (and funding). Thirty five educators are in front of a grand jury for this. http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/01/atlanta-cheating-scandal-puts-national-education-policy-on-trial/ The other side of the coin of course, is what do you do with the slackers? They aren't going to be employable, and are, as a rule, going to end up in criminal activity (much the same as they do now), and eventually, being warehoused in jail. As an aside, I know something of what I speak. My father spent the majority of his teaching career at an inner city high school where drop out rates generally exceeded 90%, and the kids were a product of multi generational welfare, and parents whose live had pretty much been ruined by our governments very misguided attempt to beat the Indian out of the Indians with a Residential School program that saw hundreds of thousands of children taken from their parents and dropped into church run schools where their culture, language and, judging from the number of complaints that surfaced regarding physical and sexual abuse, their innocence as well. As a society, we'll be paying for this 150 year travesty for another hundred years. Essentially, we screwed these people up to the point they couldn't function in either the Indian society or the White society, and then kicked them to the curb to fend for themselves, and then got sanctimonious because many (most) ended up as a waste of humanity. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
My comment has nothing to do with tax breaks or anything else, but you know that. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Including under god in the pledge of allegiance is hardly worship. It is mostly a recognition that Americans are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that can not be taken away by the government. Do you support tax breaks for worshippers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model. How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the system work? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by the government isn't going to happen. That's history. Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with, of course, some caveats): http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental disabilities). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system: make the job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring performance. I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who are passionate about teaching; it is more likely to attract those looking for any easy and secure position. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/04/2013 7:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Yo won't run into the situation that is happening in Georgia (IIRC) where an entire school board is under the microscope for marks cheating to enhance their districts scores (and funding). Thirty five educators are in front of a grand jury for this. http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/01/atlanta-cheating-scandal-puts-national-education-policy-on-trial/ The other side of the coin of course, is what do you do with the slackers? They aren't going to be employable, and are, as a rule, going to end up in criminal activity (much the same as they do now), and eventually, being warehoused in jail. As an aside, I know something of what I speak. My father spent the majority of his teaching career at an inner city high school where drop out rates generally exceeded 90%, and the kids were a product of multi generational welfare, and parents whose live had pretty much been ruined by our governments very misguided attempt to beat the Indian out of the Indians with a Residential School program that saw hundreds of thousands of children taken from their parents and dropped into church run schools where their culture, language and, judging from the number of complaints that surfaced regarding physical and sexual abuse, their innocence as well. As a society, we'll be paying for this 150 year travesty for another hundred years. Essentially, we screwed these people up to the point they couldn't function in either the Indian society or the White society, and then kicked them to the curb to fend for themselves, and then got sanctimonious because many (most) ended up as a waste of humanity. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)
Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax. Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder: http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Highland Park - 1969
After resurrecting this old slide I'm thinking about taking a drive to see what that old park looks like today. I haven't driven by it in years. My guess is a lot of those old trees are gone. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: May not be a great shot but some great memories from something you took 44 years ago, George. I like the light and look of it. The dust and grain adds to it. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: So here's a scan of a slide I shot way back when I was in high school. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/4/9/highland-park-1969 GS George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace
A great set. I found it most interesting. Paul On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:15 , Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so I thought I'd share. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402type=1 Fascinating stuff! Thanks for sharing, Zos. I liked Free Candy for its humor. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace
I liked Free Candy for its humor. I liked the Coke Express for unintended humor and the deer statue. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 10:15 , Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so I thought I'd share. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402type=1 Fascinating stuff! Thanks for sharing, Zos. I liked Free Candy for its humor. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On 10/04/2013 11:04 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system: make the job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring performance. I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who are passionate about teaching; it is more likely to attract those looking for any easy and secure position. It makes the job easier in that it is easier to deal with students who want to learn, and easier to deal with classrooms that are not war zones. You are reading things into my post that were not written into my post. Your country has a problem with governmental corruption at every level. Deal with that, and you will find most of the other problems go away. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace
Love #21 and #44 (such dark strength) and the owl shots and the ladle car(#705). Nice work. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. They are trying to preserve it, but honestly its decay is accelerating, so there won't be much to save in another 10-20 years. I have some more stuff to process from this shoot, but this was 90% complete anyways so I thought I'd share. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.434245379997215.1073741826.108166875938402type=1 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)
On Apr 10, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax. Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder: http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi Thanks for the link Darren. Bob, I will be optimistic in my interpretation of Malcom's comments. You could say that he will recommend de-emphasizing FF because some current users are happy with the current APS-C and don't see a reason to switch. Or, you could say that he will take this feedback as an indication that a) current users are pleased with the IQ etc. that they are getting, b) current users may not be the target audience for a Pentax FF, and therefore c) marketing of the soon-to-be-delivered FF should target brand-switchers rather than current users. Which only makes sense anyway because there is a far greater population of people using other brands than there is using Pentax. They can count on some loyalists to buy a FF, but the volume of sales will be to Sony, Nikon, and Canon users. Which by the way implies that the FF will need to come with at least 2-3 top quality lenses from the beginning; they won't be able to rely on people like us who have lenses on the shelf waiting for a body with which to use them. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Yo won't run into the situation that is happening in Georgia (IIRC) where an entire school board is under the microscope for marks cheating to enhance their districts scores (and funding). Thirty five educators are in front of a grand jury for this. Similar situation in Ohio but without the press coverage, so it may just be forgotten about. Unfortunately. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 01:04:49PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system: make the job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring performance. I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who are passionate about teaching; it is more likely to attract those looking for any easy and secure position. You're conflating two arguments. While much of the current (US) based public education system has eliminated any meaningful way of evaluating the perfomance of teachers (although just how to measure this is, in itself, a whole new can of worms), that's not a position put forward by the proponents of charter/voucher schools. I know a little about this; one of my parents (and both of those of my wife) were life-long teachers. I went to the UK equivalent of both a US public school (although this was before Maggie Thatcher's drive to full comprehensive schools, so even then it was a selective 'grammar' school) and a voucher-supported school (a so-called Direct Grant public school), so I've seen at least some of the inside of both sides. My mother was a very close friend of the headmistress of one of the big experimental comprehensive schools (Kidbrooke - Bob probably knows of it), so I also know something about how a public school system can work, and of the problems encountered in trying to make it work. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? From: Daniel J. Matyola Including under god in the pledge of allegiance is hardly worship. It is mostly a recognition that Americans are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that can not be taken away by the government. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe in the concept of worship. Methinks your perspective is skewed by your own lens. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 4/9/2013 5:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: Methinks they doth protest too much -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
Perhaps a better school system, but at the expense of an overall worsening of society. From: Daniel J. Matyola what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Dan On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On 10 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: I know a little about this; one of my parents (and both of those of my wife) were life-long teachers. I went to the UK equivalent of both a US public school (although this was before Maggie Thatcher's drive to full comprehensive schools, so even then it was a selective 'grammar' school) and a voucher-supported school (a so-called Direct Grant public school), so I've seen at least some of the inside of both sides. My mother was a very close friend of the headmistress of one of the big experimental comprehensive schools (Kidbrooke - Bob probably knows of it), so I also know something about how a public school system can work, and of the problems encountered in trying to make it work. Indeed i do - two of my friends have been teachers there. I went to a gramer schol, which became comprehensive at about the time I was in 6:1. The thing that went really wrong with the transition to comprehensives, which I support, is that some grammars got out of it by turning private, or something similar, and were able to poach the best teachers from the comps, so the comps became a dumping ground for bad teachers. This meant a fall in standards on average. If they had retained the best of the grammar teachers and ethos standards would probably have risen on average. As it is now, though, I think teaching is much better than it was in my day. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)
Stan, I spent my share of time behind the glass in focus groups and as part of Marketing at MickeyD's. It sounded like a 'kiss-off' to me. I am happy with the K-5 and K-5IIs, but still miss my wide angles. And I'd like a long autofocus telephoto for less than $5K. And how about a AF2X and AF1.4X for my older glass. Please hurry with those Santa... Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax. Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder: http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi Thanks for the link Darren. Bob, I will be optimistic in my interpretation of Malcom's comments. You could say that he will recommend de-emphasizing FF because some current users are happy with the current APS-C and don't see a reason to switch. Or, you could say that he will take this feedback as an indication that a) current users are pleased with the IQ etc. that they are getting, b) current users may not be the target audience for a Pentax FF, and therefore c) marketing of the soon-to-be-delivered FF should target brand-switchers rather than current users. Which only makes sense anyway because there is a far greater population of people using other brands than there is using Pentax. They can count on some loyalists to buy a FF, but the volume of sales will be to Sony, Nikon, and Canon users. Which by the way implies that the FF will need to come with at least 2-3 top quality lenses from the beginning; they won't be able to rely on people like us who have lenses on the shelf waiting for a body with which to use them. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K30 thoughts ... and ...
Moving from the K-r to the K30 has been interesting. 1) The in-hand feel is, to me, no big deal. But they are quite different in fit. 2) The white balance is slightly different between the two. Our FL lights are two different makes so the lamps, though they have the same K rating, have a slightly different tone. (The original set has about a year life on it, so it might be age affecting that as well.) Add to that the camera differences and we're resetting the WB on each when moving between the two sites. Understatement alert: This is one area where I greatly appreciate digital over film. 3) The K30's response to the remote control is quite slow. A lot slower than the K-r. Still, it performs well and in a harsh environment the sealing should extend its life. On a personal note ... my K-x has sold and I'm getting the K5 tomorrow. For $800 it's coming with the F50/1.7 and Sigma 70-300 DG lens. The 50/1.7 will be for sale right away. The Stigma -- I'll have to check it out first and see how it performs. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by the government isn't going to happen. That's history. Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with, of course, some caveats): We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't work. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental disabilities). Most charters that accept federal or state vouchers have to take all students, and they still succeed better than the public schools that are shackled by unions and mired in bureaucracy. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm, (4/4)
From: Darren Addy I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder: http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi Not much good news there from my point of view. Pentaxians say they don't want/need full frame. Plus a bunch of excuses why you can't find a retail store that carries Pentax cameras. Which excuses, BTW, don't square with what the guys who own the local camera stores told me. They weren't offended by being put through to distribution. Pentax just wouldn't accept their orders; not through the salesmen, not through distribution. When I wanted to buy a K10D, the local dealer told me Pentax wouldn't accept his order. That was a FIRM order with a cash deposit from the customer. The local dealer finally filled my order by ordering from BH. I don't know if he made any money on the sale or not, because his price was damn close to BH's price. And, at that time, Pentax's web-site was still showing him as a Pentax dealer. Since then he's occasionally taken some Pentax stuff in trade that I've subsequently purchased (that's how I got my K20D) and he's still got a few old accessories he hasn't consigned to eBay. But he no longer sells Pentax, because Pentax won't sell to him. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
Unfortunately, the philosophy of the current system is to test all the kids in all the schools. Take money away from the schools where the kids test scores are below average and give it to the schools were the students already have test scores above average. Test 'em all again next year to see which schools have improved. Again, take money away from the schools where the improvement in test scores is below average and give the money to the schools where the improvement in test scores is been above average. Repeat the cycle until only schools where student test scores are above average are left. From: Daniel J. Matyola You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system: make the job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring performance. I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who are passionate about teaching; it is more likely to attract those looking for any easy and secure position. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)
Bob, Unless you are a purely prime lens guy, there are really good options at the wide end. I really like the Sigma EX 10-20mm f4-5.6 which gives you a 15mm equiv. FOV at the wide end (the widest K prime focal length that Pentax ever made, unless I'm mistaken). They make a f3.5 version also. Pentax themselves makes the DA 12-24mm which people seem to like (for a lot more moola than the Sigma). On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Stan, I spent my share of time behind the glass in focus groups and as part of Marketing at MickeyD's. It sounded like a 'kiss-off' to me. I am happy with the K-5 and K-5IIs, but still miss my wide angles. And I'd like a long autofocus telephoto for less than $5K. And how about a AF2X and AF1.4X for my older glass. Please hurry with those Santa... Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax. Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder: http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi Thanks for the link Darren. Bob, I will be optimistic in my interpretation of Malcom's comments. You could say that he will recommend de-emphasizing FF because some current users are happy with the current APS-C and don't see a reason to switch. Or, you could say that he will take this feedback as an indication that a) current users are pleased with the IQ etc. that they are getting, b) current users may not be the target audience for a Pentax FF, and therefore c) marketing of the soon-to-be-delivered FF should target brand-switchers rather than current users. Which only makes sense anyway because there is a far greater population of people using other brands than there is using Pentax. They can count on some loyalists to buy a FF, but the volume of sales will be to Sony, Nikon, and Canon users. Which by the way implies that the FF will need to come with at least 2-3 top quality lenses from the beginning; they won't be able to rely on people like us who have lenses on the shelf waiting for a body with which to use them. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)
Not Canon. Never Canon (thanks to Anika1980). But, the clock is ticking and Nikon is looking a lot more attractive. From: Bob Sullivan Sad to read the position on full frame for Pentax. Without the hope of it, I might as well switch to Canon. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder: http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)
On 10/04/2013 1:01 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Bob, Unless you are a purely prime lens guy, there are really good options at the wide end. I really like the Sigma EX 10-20mm f4-5.6 which gives you a 15mm equiv. 10mm is getting pretty wide, but a real camera company doesn't depend on a third rate manufacturer to supply it's customers' needs. A 10-20 that was made by Pentax would be something else. FOV at the wide end (the widest K prime focal length that Pentax ever made, unless I'm mistaken). They make a f3.5 version also. Pentax themselves makes the DA 12-24mm which people seem to like (for a lot more moola than the Sigma). The 12-24 is a nice lens, although it is rather a horse. There is also a significant difference between it's field of view at the widest and a 10mm. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Aahz: If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model. How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the system work? Repeat: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:16, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. But those too have created gods in their own image, just as people have done since the beginning of time. Witness the Christmas displays in Santa Monica stage by the atheists. They outdid all the religious groups. They worship at the shrine of secularism. We all have our gods. Category error, you are warping other people's beliefs to suit your own. When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less. Not my beliefs. I'm agnostic. But mankind has always found something to believe in, and a new system of beliefs always involves rejection of the old. Today's secularists are to christians what the christians and jews were to sun worshipers thousands of years ago. You are mixing up beliefs, gods, and worship. You are making as much sense as Humpty Dumpty. and confusing atheism and secularism. Secularism does not imply atheism. Secularism is about the distinction between religion and, essentially, state; so the notion of a 'shrine of secularism' is a contradiction in terms. You could be the most God-fearing Christian this side of Eden and still be a secularist, and still have secular, that is non-church, matters to deal with, and secularist ideas. Or, you could take the view that all of life should be subject to religious law, and be wholly opposed to all forms of secularism. Atheism is an absence of a particular belief, it is not a belief in itself. Atheists, like all people, obviously have beliefs, but there is not a body of interlocking ideas that one could call atheism, or practices that atheists undertake as a function of their atheism, and even if there were it could not be called a religion since the defining property of a religion is that it believes in the existence of at least one god, and the defining property of atheism is that it rejects all belief in gods. Now, some atheists may have big christmas displays, but that does not mean that that is some necessary part of atheism. Christmas is now far more of a cultural festival than a religious one - probably always has been, given that the Puritans banned it. Similarly, many atheists have ceremonies and take part in ritual practices such as weddings and baby-namings that parallel those of Christians and other religious people, but that's not because they want a substitute religion, it's because people everywhere feel a need for rites of passage, and that need has historically been co-opted by religion. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:11 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? From: Daniel J. Matyola Including under god in the pledge of allegiance is hardly worship. It is mostly a recognition that Americans are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that can not be taken away by the government. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I don't believe in the concept of worship. Methinks your perspective is skewed by your own lens. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 4/9/2013 5:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: Methinks they doth protest too much -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
I don't point fingers at other states, let alone other nations. Unfortunately, all humans are subject to corruption, and some will steal as much as they can if there is no fear of prosecution. If you believe that your country is free of corruption, or morally superior to others, you are of course entitled to that opinion. If you think that corruption is the only problem with education, I would respecfully disagree. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/04/2013 11:04 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system: make the job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of measuring performance. I am not convinced that is the was to attract people who are passionate about teaching; it is more likely to attract those looking for any easy and secure position. It makes the job easier in that it is easier to deal with students who want to learn, and easier to deal with classrooms that are not war zones. You are reading things into my post that were not written into my post. Your country has a problem with governmental corruption at every level. Deal with that, and you will find most of the other problems go away. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray. I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to. I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class activities was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers, at the very least statements of belief in Christ as the son of God. At 52, I am perhaps a little more flexible in my beliefs, but back in grade school, it sure felt like I was being coerced into praying to gods that I didn't believe in. Granted, if you're a Christian, Christmas singing carols might not seem like praying to you. But how would you have felt if everyone else in your class was participating in Muslim or Hindu rituals? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:16, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. But those too have created gods in their own image, just as people have done since the beginning of time. Witness the Christmas displays in Santa Monica stage by the atheists. They outdid all the religious groups. They worship at the shrine of secularism. We all have our gods. Category error, you are warping other people's beliefs to suit your own. When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less. Not my beliefs. I'm agnostic. But mankind has always found something to believe in, and a new system of beliefs always involves rejection of the old. Today's secularists are to christians what the christians and jews were to sun worshipers thousands of years ago. You are mixing up beliefs, gods, and worship. You are making as much sense as Humpty Dumpty. and confusing atheism and secularism. Secularism does not imply atheism. Secularism is about the distinction between religion and, essentially, state; so the notion of a 'shrine of secularism' is a contradiction in terms. You could be the most God-fearing Christian this side of Eden and still be a secularist, and still have secular, that is non-church, matters to deal with, and secularist ideas. Or, you could take the view that all of life should be subject to religious law, and be wholly opposed to all forms of secularism. Atheism is an absence of a particular belief, it is not a belief in itself. Atheists, like all people, obviously have beliefs, but there is not a body of interlocking ideas that one could call atheism, or practices that atheists undertake as a function of their atheism, and even if there were it could not be called a religion since the defining property of a religion is that it believes in the existence of at least one god, and the defining property of atheism is that it rejects all belief in gods. Now, some atheists may have big christmas displays, but that does not mean that that is some necessary part of atheism. Christmas is now far more of a cultural festival than a religious one - probably always has been, given that the Puritans banned it. Similarly, many atheists have ceremonies and take part in ritual practices such as weddings and baby-namings that parallel those of Christians and other religious people, but that's not because they want a substitute religion, it's because people everywhere feel a need for rites of passage, and that need has historically been co-opted by religion. A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are generally secularists. Many atheists and the secularists, which are indeed different, have in their fervor developed belief systems and become angry when others express religious beliefs. They have made their belief system a rallying point and effectively a substitute for religion. Paul B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are generally secularists. Many atheists and the secularists, which are indeed different, have in their fervor developed belief systems and become angry when others express religious beliefs. They have made their belief system a rallying point and effectively a substitute for religion. In other words, wanting to avoid getting one's toes stomped on is the same thing as wanting to stomp on other people's toes. Got it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray. I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to. I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class activities was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers, at the very least statements of belief in Christ as the son of God. At 52, I am perhaps a little more flexible in my beliefs, but back in grade school, it sure felt like I was being coerced into praying to gods that I didn't believe in. Granted, if you're a Christian, Christmas singing carols might not seem like praying to you. But how would you have felt if everyone else in your class was participating in Muslim or Hindu rituals? I agree that as a nation we have been insensitive to the beliefs of others, and in some places we still are. At Grace's school they sing Christmas carols and Hannukah songs. And they observe Muslim holidays as well. They have a Christmas tree and a Menorah during the winter season. Or should I say a holiday tree and holiday candle holder:-). Seriously, kids like holidays, and most of them seem to enjoy every bit of it. Discussions of minority beliefs accompany the festivities. Grace's mother hasn't given her any religious instruction or experience. That's fine with me, and she seems quite content. But she did once make a crèche at Christmas. I think she just liked playing with the figures. And she made a menorah at school. Why not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are generally secularists. Many atheists and the secularists, which are indeed different, have in their fervor developed belief systems and become angry when others express religious beliefs. They have made their belief system a rallying point and effectively a substitute for religion. In other words, wanting to avoid getting one's toes stomped on is the same thing as wanting to stomp on other people's toes. Got it. Yes, because that works both ways. Both sides do some stomping, and each dislikes the other. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That was good policy. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:55:13PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to. I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class activities was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers, at the very least statements of belief in Christ as the son of God. I can assure you that this kind of discomfort is by no means limited to religion. Try not singing along with the national anthem at a sporting event, or not joining in the pledge of allegiance (with or without 'under god') at an event where it is commonly recited. You get everything from funny looks to downright abuse. I used to have fun explaining, at Girl Scout camp, just why I was standing there quietly, without my hand on my heart - that's not _my_ national anthem, not _my_ flag. Mind you, I was always amused by the fact that in the UK (where there is an established religion) there was far more separation of church and state than in a country that, in theory, has that separation enshrined in the constitution. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 04:34:32PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That was good policy. Agreed. Question: does discussing full-frame fall under religious discussion? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 04:34:32PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That was good policy. Agreed. Question: does discussing full-frame fall under religious discussion? Of course. It's all about fervor. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm, (4/4)
On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:47 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Darren Addy I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder: http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi Not much good news there from my point of view. Pentaxians say they don't want/need full frame. Plus a bunch of excuses why you can't find a retail store that carries Pentax cameras. Which excuses, BTW, don't square with what the guys who own the local camera stores told me. They weren't offended by being put through to distribution. Pentax just wouldn't accept their orders; not through the salesmen, not through distribution. When I wanted to buy a K10D, the local dealer told me Pentax wouldn't accept his order. That was a FIRM order with a cash deposit from the customer. The local dealer finally filled my order by ordering from BH. I don't know if he made any money on the sale or not, because his price was damn close to BH's price. And, at that time, Pentax's web-site was still showing him as a Pentax dealer. Since then he's occasionally taken some Pentax stuff in trade that I've subsequently purchased (that's how I got my K20D) and he's still got a few old accessories he hasn't consigned to eBay. But he no longer sells Pentax, because Pentax won't sell to him. Same story I got from my dealer in Kansas City. He was allowed to sell Pentax only if he had one or two each of everything Pentax made. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Carrie Furnace
First of all thanks for the nice comments. I do tend to mix bw with color a lot. No rhyme or reason as to what I pick for what. Its usually whatever I feel looks better, though I do get on all black and white kicks sometimes. Yeah the furnace was built in 1906 and operated starting in 1907 and ran until the 80s. The secondary structures may be newer, but I rather doubt it. There were 7 furnaces here at once point, but only 2 remain, #6 and #7. This was also just an auxilliary to the larger homestead works across the river. That was the site of the homestead strike. These pictures dont do justice to how massive these mills once were. Pittsburgh was once described as hell with the lid open and older pictures from previous to WWII (before pollution controls) certainly attest to that. Carrie furnace has a wikipedia page for those that are interested. Also my friend robert ruschak was one of the premier mill photographers from when they were operating. His work is amazing! Google him, his website is worth several visits. fotor...@gmx.de wrote: Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Here is what remains of Carrie Furnace. Units 6 and 7 are all that they left standing. This portion of the mill was built in 1906 and gives a good example of of what early steel mills looked like. Wonderful work but are you sure the furnace is that old? Looks more like 1930's to me. Anyway, great stuff. Pity it's so far away from here... Ralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Used Car Salesman
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143036 I felt a bit intimidated. Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
I think I can top that, Larry. I went to elementary school when they stiill said the Lord's Prayer every day. The town was mostly Catholic, an I was one of the few who said the protestant ending. Based on the teachings of my conservative Lutheran Church, I should have refused to say it at all. I had a choice: sit down and shut up, and have everyone glare at me, conform to the majority, or finish the ending by myself (the only other Protestant was an African American Baptist, who was afraid to say anything), and have them look at me like a heretic. The next year, I was in the class where all the Catholics and all the Eastern Orthodox got out early every Tuesday for religious instruction. The one Jewish boy in the class and I did our homework on Tuesday afternoons. In my Rotary Club, we have a prayer before breakfast every week. We have a Buddhist, two Muslims, a Hindu, several Christians and Jews. at least two atheists, and a Reformed minister. The prayer is a plea for peace and aid in our effort for service. We manage to keep it to something that does not cause anyone discomfort. Last Saturday, I attended an diversity coalition dinner during which prayers were say -- and explained -- by 7 different faiths. It was quite enlightening. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray. I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to. I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class activities was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers, at the very least statements of belief in Christ as the son of God. At 52, I am perhaps a little more flexible in my beliefs, but back in grade school, it sure felt like I was being coerced into praying to gods that I didn't believe in. Granted, if you're a Christian, Christmas singing carols might not seem like praying to you. But how would you have felt if everyone else in your class was participating in Muslim or Hindu rituals? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
No one is trying to convert anyone else, Paul. Discussing our various feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe helpful to understanding each others perspective. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That was good policy. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
Bong! The below implies that atheists (they) are a group that meets and gets together and makes joint decisions. I suppose there is an atheist society somewhere, but very few atheists belong to it. It also implies that secularists (they) are such a group as well. You night relook up the definition for secular. It's like that ubiquitous they used in bad reporting. HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 4/10/2013 1:35:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are generally secularists. Many atheists and the secularists, which are indeed different, have in their fervor developed belief systems and become angry when others express religious beliefs. They have made their belief system a rallying point and effectively a substitute for religion. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Used Car Salesman
If I'm not mistaken, I ran into this guy a few times. Jack G - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:26 PM Subject: PESO: Used Car Salesman http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143036 I felt a bit intimidated. Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm, (4/4)
Since then he's occasionally taken some Pentax stuff in trade that I've subsequently purchased (that's how I got my K20D) and he's still got a few old accessories he hasn't consigned to eBay. But he no longer sells Pentax, because Pentax won't sell to him. Same story I got from my dealer in Kansas City. He was allowed to sell Pentax only if he had one or two each of everything Pentax made. stan Luckily they really only make 2 DSLRs. :) It sounds like Pentax Canada has been more open with retailers in the Great White North. With 8 stores we're not a small chain, but even when we had a lot fewer stores, Pentax has always been good to us. And we're just a family-owned independent in Western Canada, not a national or international chain. Chris B. Chris Brogden, Manager Don's Photo St. Vital 31 - 845 Dakota St. (Right across the street from St. Vital Centre) Winnipeg, MB R2M 5M3 Ph: (204) 254-9075 Fax: (204) 253-7173 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 05:46:21PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Bong! Bong didn't write the post that you're replying to, Paul did. By the way, someone made a mistaken conflation between atheist (meaning no-gods) and agnostic (meaning no-knowledge). The below implies that atheists (they) are a group that meets and gets together and makes joint decisions. I suppose there is an atheist society somewhere, but very few atheists belong to it. It also implies that secularists (they) are such a group as well. You night relook up the definition for secular. It's like that ubiquitous they used in bad reporting. HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 4/10/2013 1:35:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are generally secularists. Many atheists and the secularists, which are indeed different, have in their fervor developed belief systems and become angry when others express religious beliefs. They have made their belief system a rallying point and effectively a substitute for religion. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
Bong as in the bong show, duh. I am perfectly willing to drop it like Paul did, but you brought it up again. Paul said something, I said some people believe in no gods, Paul essentially said that even atheists and secularists have their gods (substitute gods). I challenged that statement. Conversely I didn't say a thing against believers, Christians, Muslims, or what not. I really don't care what others believe, but I do get a bit ticked when someone tries to tell me what I believe. HTH, Have a Nice Day! Marnie In a message dated 4/10/2013 3:05:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: Bong didn't write the post that you're replying to, Paul did. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Bong as in the bong show, duh. Do you mean the Gong show? They say that as you age, the memory is the second thing to go. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Used Car Salesman
What do you mean you don't want rustproofing?? ;-) Fun shot, Dan. cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Used Car Salesman http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143036 I felt a bit intimidated. Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - can someone photoshop the sun between my fingers?
I think some very noble attempts ... http://loljam.com/post/4157/ -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - can someone photoshop the sun between my fingers?
A hoot. Makes one want to have a go at it. Paul On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I think some very noble attempts ... http://loljam.com/post/4157/ -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
Thanks for everyone's favourable comments! I used to live in Waterloo when I was a student...or the 'Loo, as we called it... ;-) (For the uninitiated, Kitchener-Waterloo - or KY as some of my friends used to refer to the place - are two cities kind of stuck together.) At 10:35 PM + 4/10/13, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list. How times have changed... Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like. ;-) Great shot, Steve! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line G'day all Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery. I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice. -- Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many talented contributors. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list. How times have changed... Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like. ;-) Great shot, Steve! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line G'day all Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery. I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice. As usual, you'll find the gallery here: http://pug.komkon.org/ (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there) Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the gallery, let me know. + Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'. Pick a book title and present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not! Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line. * Nominal closing date for submissions: 30 April. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
I don't dislike theists at all. I disagree with them on an issue that is of far more importance to them than it is to me. What I do take issue with is people trying (quite wrongly) to tell me what I ~do~ believe: Atheism is a religion just like any other. No, actually it's not. You really do believe in god, you are simply in denial. Sorry, I do not, as much as you may want me to. You are an atheist because you're angry with god. No, I can't be angry at something I do no believe in. Lack of belief is the same as belief, it is a type of faith. As Bob W. quite capably explained lack of belief is the opposite of belief. And so on. But as for theists themselves, I don't dislike them at all... Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Yes, because that works both ways. Both sides do some stomping, and each dislikes the other. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Brought a film body after all
Sorry about the hit-and-run question a while back -- thngs got really hectic and stayed that way. I'm in Cyprus now (minus my phone and wallet, alas). I decided to bing the K2 after all. Why? Well, because I found some unused Kodak HIE in my freezer! Of all the places I'm likely to actually get to in the nex few years, can I come up with a better place to use it than the Mediterranean? I also brought the Holga. It weighs nothing. And I have some Velvia for it. (The smallest part of the hectic-ness -- hecticity? -- was a major performance three days before leaving. Funny timing: the band's next gig is three days after I go home.) -- Glenn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was boing! Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 4/10/2013 3:19:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Bong as in the bong show, duh. Do you mean the Gong show? They say that as you age, the memory is the second thing to go. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - 36 years ago
Thirty-six years ago I shot an article for a magazine called CARS. The article was about aftermarket supercharger kits. The fellow who was selling them was Gary Dyer. Those familiar with drag racing but recognize him as the driver of Mr. Norm's Super Charger, a groundbreaking car of the mid sixties to late seventies. I shot a few cars in a forest preserve parking lot, then with my Mamiya C2, an 80 mm lens, and a Honeywell 987 potato masher strobe mounted in a Sof'Shoulder umbrella, I shot some blower kits in Dyer's shop. I also grabbed a pic of his daughter, Kim, when she answered the phone. Scanned it today for her, and I kind of like it. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143732size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 08:03:19PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was boing! Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? I dunno. I forgot years ago. Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 4/10/2013 3:19:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Bong as in the bong show, duh. Do you mean the Gong show? They say that as you age, the memory is the second thing to go. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
With so many other pictures being presented here, the PUG has gotten lost. This is a sad situation because the quality of the monthly offerings is a cut above the everyday PESO's and GESO's. I would hate to lose it. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many talented contributors. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list. How times have changed... Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like. ;-) Great shot, Steve! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line G'day all Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery. I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice. As usual, you'll find the gallery here: http://pug.komkon.org/ (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there) Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the gallery, let me know. + Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'. Pick a book title and present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not! Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line. * Nominal closing date for submissions: 30 April. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
Excellent gallery. Really like Ken Waller's buds and Darren Addy's and Matthew Hunt's storms. Many other nice shots as well. Paul On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many talented contributors. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list. How times have changed... Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like. ;-) Great shot, Steve! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line G'day all Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery. I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice. As usual, you'll find the gallery here: http://pug.komkon.org/ (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there) Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the gallery, let me know. + Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'. Pick a book title and present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not! Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line. * Nominal closing date for submissions: 30 April. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 36 years ago
Paul, Kind of nice, very sharp, and Farrah Fawcett hair too! I'll bet she loves it... Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Thirty-six years ago I shot an article for a magazine called CARS. The article was about aftermarket supercharger kits. The fellow who was selling them was Gary Dyer. Those familiar with drag racing but recognize him as the driver of Mr. Norm's Super Charger, a groundbreaking car of the mid sixties to late seventies. I shot a few cars in a forest preserve parking lot, then with my Mamiya C2, an 80 mm lens, and a Honeywell 987 potato masher strobe mounted in a Sof'Shoulder umbrella, I shot some blower kits in Dyer's shop. I also grabbed a pic of his daughter, Kim, when she answered the phone. Scanned it today for her, and I kind of like it. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143732size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:57:46AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at home. Children who come from families that put a high priority on education do well in school. If kids see their parents reading in their free time, they will consider reading a viable leisure time activity. If they see their parents watching TV, getting drunk etc. that's what they will consider normal. Very true. But unfortunately many of today's parents won't provide that kind of home environment, and if we merely dismiss their children as uneducable we sustain that model. There are places where the schools have to take over and do a better job. Detroit, for example. Be careful what you say. Aparantly some newscaster on MSNBC said something very similar and is being roundly denounced by a wide swath of the population for expressing that view. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:57:46AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at home. Children who come from families that put a high priority on education do well in school. If kids see their parents reading in their free time, they will consider reading a viable leisure time activity. If they see their parents watching TV, getting drunk etc. that's what they will consider normal. Very true. But unfortunately many of today's parents won't provide that kind of home environment, and if we merely dismiss their children as uneducable we sustain that model. There are places where the schools have to take over and do a better job. Detroit, for example. Be careful what you say. Aparantly some newscaster on MSNBC said something very similar and is being roundly denounced by a wide swath of the population for expressing that view. I can say what I want about schools. I only have to be careful when talking about car companies:-). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Serious Warning
A sign on a hiking trail through the Ohe'o Gulch portion of Haleakala National Park: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143042 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line
Thanks to those that mentioned mine. I'm partial to storms so I like Matthew's also. Nice looking updraft base! The one that really took me by surprise though was Paul Sorenson's Cold Spring Rain. The through the wet windshield gives it a real painterly feel. A good gallery all. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Excellent gallery. Really like Ken Waller's buds and Darren Addy's and Matthew Hunt's storms. Many other nice shots as well. Paul On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, the response has been pretty muted lately. But that in no way diminishes my respect for the maintainer (thanks, Brian!) and the many talented contributors. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I remember when the monthly release of PUG was a major event on this list. How times have changed... Terrific gallery as always. Not a dud in the bunch. So hard to pick a favourite but if pressed I think Steve's railroad tracks in the snow would be the one. Used to live in Kitchener. That's about what it looks like. ;-) Great shot, Steve! cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org Sent: April 10, 2013 4/10/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: April PUG - 'Precipitation' now on line G'day all Varied interpretations of the theme make this a very enjoyable gallery. I really like Matthew's 'Thunderstorm, Badlands National Park' and in a similar vein Darren's 'Sunset Through Rain Shaft'. Steve's 'Tracks In The Snow' has an appealing vintage feel to it - very nice. As usual, you'll find the gallery here: http://pug.komkon.org/ (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there) Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the gallery, let me know. + Next up is something different - 'Bookmarks'. Pick a book title and present an appropriate image - classic or pulp fiction, it matters not! Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/ Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html The main requirements are: * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels * Max file size: 300k * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or lens used is Pentax. * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line. * Nominal closing date for submissions: 30 April. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was boing! Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? You mean, Who's on first? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: An Interview with Pentax Executive Vice President Jim Malcolm (4/4)
Thanks for posting, that Darren. My mis-interpretations of his comments - 1. On a Full Frame DSLR - Ok, I'm I'm gonna do this interview don't pester me with a bunch of questions about a FF DSLR that I am not allowed to answer. I'll give you a gratuitous remark on that subject that is intended to placate current Pentax owners, deflect the fact that a FF would be really popular, and hint at the good stuff that we will be doing in the near term with APS-C. Then you can go ahead with serious questions about my phone calls. Except those calls I make to Miss Cleo. We don't want to get too detailed about the future, here... 2.On Ricoh's Ownership of Pentax: Ricoh is a big mean and disciplined corporation and we make great stuff and we want to leverage the Pentax brand to be a major competitor. Yeah - nothing is apparent yet but we intend to be a player and when we are done your Pentax might not be like your father's Pentax... 3.On Dealer relaitonships: Our research shows that Hoya screwed up relations with retail dealers. Unfortunately, all corporate records prior to December, 2006, have been misplace. I think everything was OK before Hoya. Well, at least that what we tell reporters. But we do want to hook users on Pentax early on and so we will be trying to sell more through retail brick and mortar stores, even Target. 4. On US Sales: Our brand has never really prospered here and that pisses us off and we want to solve that problem. I like a challenge. 5. On the Q: This is really our coolest and most innovative camera. It is meant to appeal to people who have never used anything but a cell phone to take photos. There is a huge market for it. I wish I could find someone who uses one to talk to, but so far, no luck. You know, this camera has in camera filters and cheap lenses so it is great for instagram, and that is sure to lure people away form their cell phones. I won't mention the really great 06 telephoto zoom that we just released because talking about a good lens might dull the low end chick of the Q. Is it lomography, a step up from cell phones, or just really colorful? 6. On Pentax users: We don't know what you want and I look at the stuff my staff is doing and vaguely hope that they know what tthey are doing. As their leader, I want to say that in a public interview, justt to build up morale. Oh yeah - Pentaxians are a really loyal - we don't fully understand why. Our preliminary research indicates that they are just a highly irrational lot who like to fiddle with old lenses and spout off on old style listservs. That's a hard market segment to harness but that's why I am doing all these phone calls - we have a team of psychologists and anthropologists analyzing the tapes right now... Having deciphered the interview my interpretation is that Ricoh is bottom line orientated and won't introduce a FF DSLR till the premium pricing of FF DSLR is gone. They rightly recognize that as long as FF bodies are premium items they cannot compete, at least until they rehabilitate the Pentax brand. They will kick out some more high quality APS DSLR's and build in that segment, hopefully back filling their lens lineup with more FF compatible offerings and generally rehabilitating their accessories so when FF bodies are released they will be adequately supported. . When FF DSLRs are more of a commodity item they will release one. They rightly realize that FF DSLR's are still a premium item, commanding a premium price, and as long as that is the case consumers will wnat to spend their money on a brand that is perceived to be a premium brand - and right now that is not Pentax. It might be a year or so before DSLR's are fully comodified. The interview also made me realize that a good bit of time has passed since Ricoh bought Pentax and we really haven't seen any changes yet - or much movement at all. The silence is deafening. The darkness is blinding. Let's hope they are doing something. Mark On 4/10/2013 10:48 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I don't think this has been discussed here yet but perhaps, given that this is the Pentax Discuss Mailing List, it is worthy list fodder: http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/features/an-interview-with-pentax-evp-jim-malcolm -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 36 years ago
Nice scan of a well exposed shot. I'm, also, impressed with your memory for 36 year old details. Jack - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:11 PM Subject: PESO - 36 years ago Thirty-six years ago I shot an article for a magazine called CARS. The article was about aftermarket supercharger kits. The fellow who was selling them was Gary Dyer. Those familiar with drag racing but recognize him as the driver of Mr. Norm's Super Charger, a groundbreaking car of the mid sixties to late seventies. I shot a few cars in a forest preserve parking lot, then with my Mamiya C2, an 80 mm lens, and a Honeywell 987 potato masher strobe mounted in a Sof'Shoulder umbrella, I shot some blower kits in Dyer's shop. I also grabbed a pic of his daughter, Kim, when she answered the phone. Scanned it today for her, and I kind of like it. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17143732size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
Daniel, you and I may have a communication breakdown here. For even a split second did I _not_ talk about the education being compulsory or not. If your system does not seriously challenge the slackers then you'll be having lots of trouble when they finish school. On 4/10/2013 4:57 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Dan On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
Discussing our various feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe helpful to understanding each others perspective And belongs on another mailing list. Not one for photography! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested No one is trying to convert anyone else, Paul. Discussing our various feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe helpful to understanding each others perspective. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That was good policy. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On 4/10/2013 6:10 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with, of course, some caveats): http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental disabilities). I opine that Finland schools are not that successful as this article aims to present. Consider this page: http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx You will see that Finland scores between 57 and 72 in the last 3 years is International Math Olympiad (IMO). Who scores first - China and Russia. By the way Israel improved from 53rd place in 2010 through 23 to 31 in 2011 and 2012 respectively. I happen to know personally two very fine gentlemen who helped make this happen (similarly in IPhO (physics) ). Well, naturally, IMO is not the measure as the IMO itself is a very special kind of sport. However, if with all that might Finnish system cannot come up with the group of 6 really bright kids to solve these math problems - then the system either doesn't want to do so or cannot do so. If they can't but want to - they might have some bugs in the system. If they don't want (which is legit) it means that if next Newton or Leibniz is born in Finland - we'll never know. That's a mighty shame. Further, two very interesting quotes for you: Quote #1: For Sahlberg what matters is that in Finland all teachers and administrators are given prestige, decent pay, and a lot of responsibility. A master's degree is required to enter the profession, and teacher training programs are among the most selective professional schools in the country. If a teacher is bad, it is the principal's responsibility to notice and deal with it. Quote #2 (just next paragraph really): And while Americans love to talk about competition, Sahlberg points out that nothing makes Finns more uncomfortable. In his book Sahlberg quotes a line from Finnish writer named Samuli Paronen: Real winners do not compete. Without being overly politically correct - tell me, Aahz - which one of these two statements is total bullshit? Because they contradict one another. It takes lots of effort to complete two university degrees, then I suppose pass certain very serious tests, have a goal in front of you being given prestige, decent pay, and a lot of responsibility and then being totally not about competition... It has nothing to do with being American or non-American. It is about being human. Social life is mostly competition or may be I am missing something very basic here. Another interesting quote: In fact, since academic excellence wasn't a particular priority on the Finnish to-do list, when Finland's students scored so high on the first PISA survey in 2001, many Finns thought the results must be a mistake. But subsequent PISA tests confirmed that Finland -- unlike, say, very similar countries such as Norway -- was producing academic excellence through its particular policy focus on equity. This in fact may explain why Finland scores so low in IMO. They simply don't hold things such IMO or IPhO (physics) to be of any importance. But then don't tell me about academic excellence, thank you very much. Now, you might notice something entirely different. Finland does show an excellent example of very good (if not very excellent) educational system that is totally under aegis of the state. State of Finland sees it as its own goal, responsibility and area of vested interest to have the educational system as per the state's own notions. This by the way was the same education system I grew up with. It had its flaws, but it wasn't half as bad as what I am seeing right now. And believe me my teacher of Algebra, Geometry, Physics, Astronomy and Informatics (all 5 being separate subjects during last two years in school) was amazingly good. Notice - it wasn't public school without any in-depth classes, etc. It was your regular average school. Further, thanks to my Russian and Literature teacher I can still quote Pushkin from memory. Thanks to my English teacher I am writing this message, though of course I had to invest a lot of my time after I finished school... I can probably continue this list as well... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion) dollars in educational system this year, they will see the outcome in, may be like 20 years - 12 years of school, 3-4 years - first degree, 4-6 years - second and/or third degree... So this kind of investment is extremely risky by modern measure. Further, a politician (or a group of them) responsible for this act are very unlikely to be mentioned in the Great Books of History... So, instead they do cheap populism and no child left behind stuff... The slippery slope will get progressively more slippery... On 4/10/2013 8:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model. How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the system work? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by the government isn't going to happen. That's history. Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with, of course, some caveats): http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental disabilities). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't work. It worked very well between approx 1950 and 1980 in Soviet Union. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
I don' understand your comment or how it relates to anything I said. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion) dollars in educational system this year, they will see the outcome in, may be like 20 years - 12 years of school, 3-4 years - first degree, 4-6 years - second and/or third degree... So this kind of investment is extremely risky by modern measure. Further, a politician (or a group of them) responsible for this act are very unlikely to be mentioned in the Great Books of History... So, instead they do cheap populism and no child left behind stuff... The slippery slope will get progressively more slippery... On 4/10/2013 8:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model. How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the system work? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by the government isn't going to happen. That's history. Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with, of course, some caveats): http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental disabilities). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On 4/11/2013 12:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: The next year, I was in the class where all the Catholics and all the Eastern Orthodox got out early every Tuesday for religious instruction. The one Jewish boy in the class and I did our homework on Tuesday afternoons. Well, I know that socialist/communist doctrine is not considered a religious one, but IMO it is. So while at school I had to attend a number of so called meetings... Especially towards the end of the school when I had to get to komsomol, because otherwise I couldn't be accepted in pretty much any university... But to cut the long story short - during these meetings me and some of my class mates played blind chess with great enjoyment of the process. You play without a board - totally in your mind's eye. Then either you loose by rules of the game or you make sufficiently many wrong moves to suggest that you don't hold the position in your head. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested
On 4/10/2013 1:18 AM, Bob W wrote: That's not god, that's Raoul B Whoa! You talk to the Great Capablanca... Next time you do - ask him what does he think about the quick chess invented by Mr. Kasparov... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT but veering back towards photography (or not)
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Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested
Daniel, all-public schooling is not reducing to LCD. It is if you don't invest and your state (as in country, not as one of 50 United State) does not fully backs the educational system by funds, equipment, etc. This is huge investment with very slow return - you'll see returns like I said - in order 20 years after you invested... Hence I don't see anyone who may be in position to initiate such a change/investment do so. Not in current political climate of modern western countries... On 4/11/2013 7:16 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I don' understand your comment or how it relates to anything I said. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion) dollars in educational system this year, they will see the outcome in, may be like 20 years - 12 years of school, 3-4 years - first degree, 4-6 years - second and/or third degree... So this kind of investment is extremely risky by modern measure. Further, a politician (or a group of them) responsible for this act are very unlikely to be mentioned in the Great Books of History... So, instead they do cheap populism and no child left behind stuff... The slippery slope will get progressively more slippery... On 4/10/2013 8:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model. How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the system work? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how they should be regulated and on what basis they should be allowed to compete, but going back to a schools system that is operated only by the government isn't going to happen. That's history. Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with, of course, some caveats): http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ You have valid points about the entrenched interests, but vouchers and charter schools are not the answer, if only because they just won't take the real problem children (behavior disorders and physical/mental disabilities). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
