Re: PESO - Katia
Thank you, Frank. And thank you Dan, Ken and Attila, and all who had a look. I have to solve a new Flickr problem now. I now see that Flickr has oversharpened Katia in the process of reducing the uploaded image from 1600px to the displayed screen size. This has made her skin look rougher, with quite exaggerated pores, as compared to what I see in Lightroom. Gah! Not sure how to handle that. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful light and model. Love the pose and the wistful look in her eye Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 10:02:25 AM EST, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Another from 2012; a portrait of Katia. http://flic.kr/p/kjaQoF K20D, DA* 55/1.4 @ f:6.3, 1/160th, ISO 200. Lr + Ps. Bowens strobe in 3x4' softbox, camera right. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Swainsona formosa. from trip round Australia.
Nice flower with bright red tones and smooth bokeh. On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:49 AM, sup8pdct sup8p...@clubtelco.com wrote: Better known as Sturt's Desert Pea. http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u626/sup8pdct/desertpea_zps7f2d2bac.jpg There are different coloured ones around. usually pink center part instead of dark. Heaps of them in the pilbra.. Photo cropped and reduced in size. no other work apart from sharpen in lightroom. James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Katia
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I have to solve a new Flickr problem now. I now see that Flickr has oversharpened Katia in the process of reducing the uploaded image from 1600px to the displayed screen size. I see you have uploaded it as 1600 x 1280 and on my screen it's displayed as 1311 x 1049 (my screen resolution is 1920 x 1200). 500px has the same problem, and FB is even worse. Only workaround I could find is to upload a smaller resolution which would look nice for most viewers. Oh, the wonders of responsive web design! The proper solution from their part would be to implement a way to view the original image as you uploaded it, but in this new trend scrollbars are frowned upon. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Olympic Hockey
Well, The Boston Bruins started playing in the 20's I can't seem to find a good date for when Olympic Hockey started but 1975 seems like a very late date for the entry of hockey as an Olympic event. I will admit that for a a long time, ice hockey was a northeast thing. But then. I live in Boston. John G. On 2/22/2014 7:04 PM, Bill wrote: On 22/02/2014 3:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: It seems as though the first organized ice hockey game may have been played in Montreal in 1975. That was the year we let the Washington Capitals in. It seems Washington getting involved in something always changes everything. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - The good old days (computer-wise)
on 2014-02-22 11:00 Ann Sanfedele wrote and I could. I considered making it without the type (I tried to make it look as much as what I remember the font to be when punching the holes in photoshop). it's a fun concept, but i don't think that font is accurate; looks like American Typewriter, and i remember a more stripped down typeface on punch cards; i tried to find you a more accurate typeface, and came up with this: http://mplus-fonts.sourceforge.jp/webfonts/index-en.html#fonts_set that is a large group of fonts, and you may have trouble unpacking the download - contact me offlist if you'd like me to send the most appropriate fonts i found it by way of this amusing tool which executes google searches by teletype: http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ i didn't use punch cards much - at university i was lucky to plunge directly into interactive CRT terminal use in 1978; on the side i had a research assistantship with Arthur Swersey, a disarmingly non-conformant biz school professor who wouldn't blink when i showed up at his office in bare feet and cutoffs; one of my many tasks with Prof. Swersey was to set up some SIMULA jobs to run on an IBM 360; i think that, about 1981, was my only contact with punch cards, and it felt pretty old-fashioned -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - The good old days (computer-wise)
i found it by way of this amusing tool which executes google searches by teletype: http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ I love that! B On 23 Feb 2014, at 20:38, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2014-02-22 11:00 Ann Sanfedele wrote and I could. I considered making it without the type (I tried to make it look as much as what I remember the font to be when punching the holes in photoshop). it's a fun concept, but i don't think that font is accurate; looks like American Typewriter, and i remember a more stripped down typeface on punch cards; i tried to find you a more accurate typeface, and came up with this: http://mplus-fonts.sourceforge.jp/webfonts/index-en.html#fonts_set that is a large group of fonts, and you may have trouble unpacking the download - contact me offlist if you'd like me to send the most appropriate fonts i found it by way of this amusing tool which executes google searches by teletype: http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ i didn't use punch cards much - at university i was lucky to plunge directly into interactive CRT terminal use in 1978; on the side i had a research assistantship with Arthur Swersey, a disarmingly non-conformant biz school professor who wouldn't blink when i showed up at his office in bare feet and cutoffs; one of my many tasks with Prof. Swersey was to set up some SIMULA jobs to run on an IBM 360; i think that, about 1981, was my only contact with punch cards, and it felt pretty old-fashioned -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - The good old days (computer-wise)
well I selected the font because it is fixed width and old-timey :-) But it does look to me like what I remember - not that THAT proves anything :-) Possible slightly diferent keypunches had different fonts, or they evolved over the years. But what was definite was that the font was not proportional. I also considered eliminating the type on the card altogether and then writing The Good Old Days outside the card, above or below. No use downloading fonts unless they will work within Elements 5.0 I found the chart for the pnches on line - I didn't remember them cold. ann On 2/23/2014 15:37, steve harley wrote: on 2014-02-22 11:00 Ann Sanfedele wrote and I could. I considered making it without the type (I tried to make it look as much as what I remember the font to be when punching the holes in photoshop). it's a fun concept, but i don't think that font is accurate; looks like American Typewriter, and i remember a more stripped down typeface on punch cards; i tried to find you a more accurate typeface, and came up with this: http://mplus-fonts.sourceforge.jp/webfonts/index-en.html#fonts_set that is a large group of fonts, and you may have trouble unpacking the download - contact me offlist if you'd like me to send the most appropriate fonts i found it by way of this amusing tool which executes google searches by teletype: http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ i didn't use punch cards much - at university i was lucky to plunge directly into interactive CRT terminal use in 1978; on the side i had a research assistantship with Arthur Swersey, a disarmingly non-conformant biz school professor who wouldn't blink when i showed up at his office in bare feet and cutoffs; one of my many tasks with Prof. Swersey was to set up some SIMULA jobs to run on an IBM 360; i think that, about 1981, was my only contact with punch cards, and it felt pretty old-fashioned -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Definition of pinup?
In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Olympic Hockey
I have a distant family connection with (ice) hockey in Canada. I'm related to the Stanley family who created the Stanley Cup. My 3 times great grandfather was the 13th Earl of Derby and it was his grandson, the 16th Earl who donated the cup during his time as Governor General to Canada. Apparently many of his family members took to the game. Sadly, my lineage is somewhat doubtful as my grandfather didn't marry my grandmother until 5 years after my mother (whose birth certificate gives her surname as Stanley) was born. He had to wait until his first wife died. He had been a naughty boy at some point, being defrocked as a Church of England curate (we're desperately trying to find out the facts of the defrocking!). Still, he did all right - he was 64 when my mother was born and my grandmother was 23... On 22 February 2014 22:31, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Many cities and towns lay claim to holding the first hockey game. Halifax thinks they had it. Montreal does, too. A very plausible theory has the first game in Kingston, Ontario between Montreal's McGill University (an alma mater of mine, which is why it's likely true) and Royal Military College. Truth is it evolved from earlier forms of shinny or grass hockey so it's a matter of conjecture as to when it crystalized into ice hockey. Whatever, we've been playing it for a long time and the game almost certainly began somewhere here (although some New England town claims it, too!). I think it's great that it's become so internationally loved. Favourite hockey joke, care of Rodney Dangerfield: I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out. Cheers, frank On 22 February, 2014 4:31:45 PM EST, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: It seems as though the first organized ice hockey game may have been played in Montreal in 1975. It was probably a variant of field hockey type games played in Ireland and Scotland. Oxford University in the UK started playing ice hockey in 1885. Yale and John Hopkins in the U.S. started playing in 1893. The University of Michigan and Michigan State University played their first varsity hockey game in 1922. On Feb 22, 2014, at 3:59 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The Americans always have strong teams and you always bring your best game to us. For a hundred years or more hockey has been our game. While we weren't watching the rest of the world (the cold world, anyway) started playing and improving and all of a sudden thirty years ago guys with names like Mogilny, Federov, Salming, Hasek and Koivu started playing here and dominating. Oh yeah, guys like Brian Leech, too. It was a shock. When I was a kid every NHL player was Canadian except two Americans and they were journeymen. Now I doubt that Canadians comprise more than 50% of the league, probably less. Hockey is engrained in our national psyche in a way you can't imagine; like baseball might have been in the US up to the 1950s. So when we win internationally it's a big deal around here. And to beat our close friends and natural rivals it's all the sweeter. :-) Cheers, frank On 22 February, 2014 2:31:56 PM EST, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's about as surprising as the Dutch wins in speed skating. G Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On 21/02/2014, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Men's. Women's. Canada vs. USA. 'Nuff said... Analysis kills spontaneity. -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Analysis kills spontaneity. -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Olympic Hockey
On 23 Feb 2014, at 22:11, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: I have a distant family connection with (ice) hockey in Canada. I'm related to the Stanley family who created the Stanley Cup. My 3 times great grandfather was the 13th Earl of Derby and it was his grandson, the 16th Earl who donated the cup during his time as Governor General to Canada. Apparently many of his family members took to the game. Sadly, my lineage is somewhat doubtful as my grandfather didn't marry my grandmother until 5 years after my mother (whose birth certificate gives her surname as Stanley) was born. He had to wait until his first wife died. He had been a naughty boy at some point, being defrocked as a Church of England curate (we're desperately trying to find out the facts of the defrocking!). Still, he did all right - he was 64 when my mother was born and my grandmother was 23... Your curate had this stroke of luck: His granddad invented the puck. To show he was manly The Reverend Stanley Taught nice English girls how to pray. B On 22 February 2014 22:31, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Many cities and towns lay claim to holding the first hockey game. Halifax thinks they had it. Montreal does, too. A very plausible theory has the first game in Kingston, Ontario between Montreal's McGill University (an alma mater of mine, which is why it's likely true) and Royal Military College. Truth is it evolved from earlier forms of shinny or grass hockey so it's a matter of conjecture as to when it crystalized into ice hockey. Whatever, we've been playing it for a long time and the game almost certainly began somewhere here (although some New England town claims it, too!). I think it's great that it's become so internationally loved. Favourite hockey joke, care of Rodney Dangerfield: I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out. Cheers, frank On 22 February, 2014 4:31:45 PM EST, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: It seems as though the first organized ice hockey game may have been played in Montreal in 1975. It was probably a variant of field hockey type games played in Ireland and Scotland. Oxford University in the UK started playing ice hockey in 1885. Yale and John Hopkins in the U.S. started playing in 1893. The University of Michigan and Michigan State University played their first varsity hockey game in 1922. On Feb 22, 2014, at 3:59 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The Americans always have strong teams and you always bring your best game to us. For a hundred years or more hockey has been our game. While we weren't watching the rest of the world (the cold world, anyway) started playing and improving and all of a sudden thirty years ago guys with names like Mogilny, Federov, Salming, Hasek and Koivu started playing here and dominating. Oh yeah, guys like Brian Leech, too. It was a shock. When I was a kid every NHL player was Canadian except two Americans and they were journeymen. Now I doubt that Canadians comprise more than 50% of the league, probably less. Hockey is engrained in our national psyche in a way you can't imagine; like baseball might have been in the US up to the 1950s. So when we win internationally it's a big deal around here. And to beat our close friends and natural rivals it's all the sweeter. :-) Cheers, frank On 22 February, 2014 2:31:56 PM EST, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's about as surprising as the Dutch wins in speed skating. G Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On 21/02/2014, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Men's. Women's. Canada vs. USA. 'Nuff said... Analysis kills spontaneity. -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Analysis kills spontaneity. -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris PESO 2014 #04 - Sakura
I like that. Nice light, color, and DOF use. Rick On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:40 , Boris Liberman wrote: Well, We're having quite a weather here. Today it climbed up all the way to +30C here. We drove to Jerusalem and had very good time in the Botanical Gardens where the only kind of Japanese Cherry that agrees to grow here is blooming. Here is a shot: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/02/2014-04-sakura.html Technically it was Nokton 40/1.4 somewhere around f/2.0 or f/2.8, or may be in between at f/2.4... Have your say... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Pool Hall Portrait/K-3 low-light work
What Mark said! Nice portrait; her concentration is well captured. Rick On Feb 21, 2014, at 19:00 , Mark C wrote: Great shot, Paul. I assume that you were using the available light, and did a superb job of catching her in excellent lighting. Mark On 2/20/2014 10:02 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Finally had a chance to shoot with the K-3 in the dim light of the pool hall. Very pleased. The camera was able to lock focus in dark corners and noise level looks good at ISO 12,800. Just started processing, but I was immediately drawn to this host of a woman shooter sizing up her shot. She’s a forty-something mother of teenagers and quite attractive. K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8, f4 @ 1/50th, ISO 12,800, 135mm focal length. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17689333size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Icicles
Around here, icicles on eaves are a sign of insuffient insulation in the attic, letting heat escape causing the melting and the eventual ice dams and icicles Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Icicles Thanks, David. We had a LOT of snow this year, and it piled up on the roof. In the cold, sunny aftermath of the snowstorms, some of the snow melted, forming large icicles along the edges and corners. These were the largest on our house. I took this image from the upper deck off our bedroom, which allowed me to get close enough to use the DA 50mm F1.8 rather than a zoom lens. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:41 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Impressive. You must have a strong roof! We just had a big (by our standards) thunderstorm come through. Thankfully the hailstones were a lot smaller than forecast. Cheers, Dave On Feb 23, 2014, at 12:19 pm, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: The melting snow created a few icicles at our home: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17691732 K-r with smc DA 50mm F1.8 Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Definition of pinup?
I say do your own thing - set trends don't follow them. If it looks right in your own eye, then it is right. Tell her to shove a pin up her arse. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Pool Hall Portrait/K-3 low-light work
Thanks Rick. It’s my favorite of the shoot. However, the lady pictured named this pic her favorite: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17690856 I of course made her a print. On Feb 23, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: What Mark said! Nice portrait; her concentration is well captured. Rick On Feb 21, 2014, at 19:00 , Mark C wrote: Great shot, Paul. I assume that you were using the available light, and did a superb job of catching her in excellent lighting. Mark On 2/20/2014 10:02 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Finally had a chance to shoot with the K-3 in the dim light of the pool hall. Very pleased. The camera was able to lock focus in dark corners and noise level looks good at ISO 12,800. Just started processing, but I was immediately drawn to this host of a woman shooter sizing up her shot. She’s a forty-something mother of teenagers and quite attractive. K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8, f4 @ 1/50th, ISO 12,800, 135mm focal length. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17689333size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Pool Hall Portrait/K-3 low-light work
That one is also excellent--has more context and atmosphere, but isn't as much a portrait. Rick On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:13 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks Rick. It’s my favorite of the shoot. However, the lady pictured named this pic her favorite: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17690856 I of course made her a print. On Feb 23, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: What Mark said! Nice portrait; her concentration is well captured. Rick On Feb 21, 2014, at 19:00 , Mark C wrote: Great shot, Paul. I assume that you were using the available light, and did a superb job of catching her in excellent lighting. Mark On 2/20/2014 10:02 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Finally had a chance to shoot with the K-3 in the dim light of the pool hall. Very pleased. The camera was able to lock focus in dark corners and noise level looks good at ISO 12,800. Just started processing, but I was immediately drawn to this host of a woman shooter sizing up her shot. She’s a forty-something mother of teenagers and quite attractive. K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8, f4 @ 1/50th, ISO 12,800, 135mm focal length. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17689333size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Definition of pinup?
Pin up art is that which would comfortably fit on the nose of a bomber that was about to take off and fly into the war. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Definition of pinup? In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Pool Hall Portrait/K-3 low-light work
I like your capture and rendition - a very good image. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: PESO Pool Hall Portrait/K-3 low-light work Thanks Rick. It’s my favorite of the shoot. However, the lady pictured named this pic her favorite: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17690856 I of course made her a print. On Feb 23, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: What Mark said! Nice portrait; her concentration is well captured. Rick On Feb 21, 2014, at 19:00 , Mark C wrote: Great shot, Paul. I assume that you were using the available light, and did a superb job of catching her in excellent lighting. Mark On 2/20/2014 10:02 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Finally had a chance to shoot with the K-3 in the dim light of the pool hall. Very pleased. The camera was able to lock focus in dark corners and noise level looks good at ISO 12,800. Just started processing, but I was immediately drawn to this host of a woman shooter sizing up her shot. She’s a forty-something mother of teenagers and quite attractive. K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8, f4 @ 1/50th, ISO 12,800, 135mm focal length. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17689333size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Definition of pinup?
Poster sized pictures of pretty girls pinned up on a wall / door / something, hence the term pinup. Chalking it up on the nose of aircraft also qualifies but I doubt you will do that:) Look up some photos of Bettie Page for example. Having cars in it is a subgenre. You might want to use older cars to make it look like something from between 1940-1960 or thereabout IF you go for the authentic look. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Definition of pinup?
I agree in regard to the cars. Fifties and forties American for an authentic pin-up look. Haven't given much thought to the light, but I would think you want to achieve a look that invokes illustration, per Vargas. Paul via phone On Feb 23, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Definition of pinup?
On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Poster sized pictures of pretty girls pinned up on a wall / door / something, hence the term pinup. For guys of my generation, they were posters of rim lighted women, Ferraris, and maybe bottles of wine as a third element. Chalking it up on the nose of aircraft also qualifies but I doubt you will do that:) Look up some Nose art. photos of Bettie Page for example. Having cars in it is a subgenre. You might want to use older cars to make it look like something from between 1940-1960 or thereabout IF you go for the authentic look. I don’t particularly care about authentic. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Definition of pinup?
Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. You can't do any better than to get a copy of The Great American Pin-Up, by Martinette/Meisel and published by Taschen. All the best artists are covered, like Gil Elvgren, Alberto Vargas, Art Frahm, Earl Moran, Zoe Mozert. They were active from WWII to 1970. It also covers Art Deco pin-ups (1920-1940) and a large number of more obscure artists, plus some modern artists like Olivia De Berardinis (Playboy). So to be authentic to the pin-up esthetic you want to use wardrobe, props, hair and makeup and poses -- ie the look -- in keeping with the period. For extra points you try to be in keeping with one or more of the common painted themes. Elvgren's look was happy and airy, his girls always smiled or look surprised when their dresses were blown up by the wind revealing garters and stocking tops. But they never looked coy or come-hither or obviously sexy. Art Frahm's girls often suffered wardrobe malfunctions out in the street: their panties would have fallen to their ankles when they had their arms full of groceries. But their modesty was always preserved. Pin-ups were generally not nude, not even bared breasts. There are a lot of swimsuit pin-ups. Pin-up usually lies somewhere in the spectrum from glamour images to very tame erotica. You will encounter a thing known as the pin-up lifestyle. That is made up of people who worship the 1940's and 1950's. They will decorate their homes with real vintage or fifties looking furniture and decorations and wear polka dot dresses (especially full, with crinolines). They they'll go jitterbugging at the hop. http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/ On that thing about the cars. A related interest to pin-up is Rockabilly and this is where you see a lot of 1950's and early 60's hot-rods as props. If you want to see a lot of contemporary takes on pin-up, check out this Tumblr: http://pinuppost.com/ On the high-key issue. Creative pinups are somehow interesting. While there's nothing wrong with a basic pose on a white or plain background, especially if the girl and the outfit is a stunner, it's more interesting if it tells a story, eg there's some background, props, etc. When I did a pin-up shoot, I took my cues from Gil Elvgren. Eg: here's his The Right Touch: http://www.gilelvgren.com/ge/paintingsEnlarge.php?id=35categoryID=7 And here's mine: http://flic.kr/p/c6B5aE I shot high-key on a white background then composited in new backdrops (with more or less success). Cherry Cheesecake: http://flic.kr/p/bSCWvR Truly authentic pin-up girls would never have tattoos, so I lose some marks there. But just try to find a model without at least one tattoo these days. My interest in pin-ups started with a deck of late 1940's playing cards that my father kept hidden in an upper drawer where his kids couldn't possibly find them. :-) On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail
Re: Definition of pinup?
Well done. Why not clone out the tats? Paul via phone On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. You can't do any better than to get a copy of The Great American Pin-Up, by Martinette/Meisel and published by Taschen. All the best artists are covered, like Gil Elvgren, Alberto Vargas, Art Frahm, Earl Moran, Zoe Mozert. They were active from WWII to 1970. It also covers Art Deco pin-ups (1920-1940) and a large number of more obscure artists, plus some modern artists like Olivia De Berardinis (Playboy). So to be authentic to the pin-up esthetic you want to use wardrobe, props, hair and makeup and poses -- ie the look -- in keeping with the period. For extra points you try to be in keeping with one or more of the common painted themes. Elvgren's look was happy and airy, his girls always smiled or look surprised when their dresses were blown up by the wind revealing garters and stocking tops. But they never looked coy or come-hither or obviously sexy. Art Frahm's girls often suffered wardrobe malfunctions out in the street: their panties would have fallen to their ankles when they had their arms full of groceries. But their modesty was always preserved. Pin-ups were generally not nude, not even bared breasts. There are a lot of swimsuit pin-ups. Pin-up usually lies somewhere in the spectrum from glamour images to very tame erotica. You will encounter a thing known as the pin-up lifestyle. That is made up of people who worship the 1940's and 1950's. They will decorate their homes with real vintage or fifties looking furniture and decorations and wear polka dot dresses (especially full, with crinolines). They they'll go jitterbugging at the hop. http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/ On that thing about the cars. A related interest to pin-up is Rockabilly and this is where you see a lot of 1950's and early 60's hot-rods as props. If you want to see a lot of contemporary takes on pin-up, check out this Tumblr: http://pinuppost.com/ On the high-key issue. Creative pinups are somehow interesting. While there's nothing wrong with a basic pose on a white or plain background, especially if the girl and the outfit is a stunner, it's more interesting if it tells a story, eg there's some background, props, etc. When I did a pin-up shoot, I took my cues from Gil Elvgren. Eg: here's his The Right Touch: http://www.gilelvgren.com/ge/paintingsEnlarge.php?id=35categoryID=7 And here's mine: http://flic.kr/p/c6B5aE I shot high-key on a white background then composited in new backdrops (with more or less success). Cherry Cheesecake: http://flic.kr/p/bSCWvR Truly authentic pin-up girls would never have tattoos, so I lose some marks there. But just try to find a model without at least one tattoo these days. My interest in pin-ups started with a deck of late 1940's playing cards that my father kept hidden in an upper drawer where his kids couldn't possibly find them. :-) On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up
Re: Definition of pinup?
Paul, we were already incorporating some anachronistic elements (like a 1910 Underwood typewriter and 1970's furniture) so I took a suggestion from Bob W and called the series Post Modern Pin-ups. That gave me license to pretty much include what I felt like. :-) On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Well done. Why not clone out the tats? Paul via phone On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. You can't do any better than to get a copy of The Great American Pin-Up, by Martinette/Meisel and published by Taschen. All the best artists are covered, like Gil Elvgren, Alberto Vargas, Art Frahm, Earl Moran, Zoe Mozert. They were active from WWII to 1970. It also covers Art Deco pin-ups (1920-1940) and a large number of more obscure artists, plus some modern artists like Olivia De Berardinis (Playboy). So to be authentic to the pin-up esthetic you want to use wardrobe, props, hair and makeup and poses -- ie the look -- in keeping with the period. For extra points you try to be in keeping with one or more of the common painted themes. Elvgren's look was happy and airy, his girls always smiled or look surprised when their dresses were blown up by the wind revealing garters and stocking tops. But they never looked coy or come-hither or obviously sexy. Art Frahm's girls often suffered wardrobe malfunctions out in the street: their panties would have fallen to their ankles when they had their arms full of groceries. But their modesty was always preserved. Pin-ups were generally not nude, not even bared breasts. There are a lot of swimsuit pin-ups. Pin-up usually lies somewhere in the spectrum from glamour images to very tame erotica. You will encounter a thing known as the pin-up lifestyle. That is made up of people who worship the 1940's and 1950's. They will decorate their homes with real vintage or fifties looking furniture and decorations and wear polka dot dresses (especially full, with crinolines). They they'll go jitterbugging at the hop. http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/ On that thing about the cars. A related interest to pin-up is Rockabilly and this is where you see a lot of 1950's and early 60's hot-rods as props. If you want to see a lot of contemporary takes on pin-up, check out this Tumblr: http://pinuppost.com/ On the high-key issue. Creative pinups are somehow interesting. While there's nothing wrong with a basic pose on a white or plain background, especially if the girl and the outfit is a stunner, it's more interesting if it tells a story, eg there's some background, props, etc. When I did a pin-up shoot, I took my cues from Gil Elvgren. Eg: here's his The Right Touch: http://www.gilelvgren.com/ge/paintingsEnlarge.php?id=35categoryID=7 And here's mine: http://flic.kr/p/c6B5aE I shot high-key on a white background then composited in new backdrops (with more or less success). Cherry Cheesecake: http://flic.kr/p/bSCWvR Truly authentic pin-up girls would never have tattoos, so I lose some marks there. But just try to find a model without at least one tattoo these days. My interest in pin-ups started with a deck of late 1940's playing cards that my father kept hidden in an upper drawer where his kids couldn't possibly find them. :-) On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall
Re: Definition of pinup?
On 23 Feb 2014, at 23:51, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. That ain't pin-up. _This_ is pin-up: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Madame_de_Montespan_held_by_the_three_graces_attributed_to_Mignard.jpg B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Definition of pinup?
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: On 23 Feb 2014, at 23:51, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. That ain't pin-up. _This_ is pin-up: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Madame_de_Montespan_held_by_the_three_graces_attributed_to_Mignard.jpg Hubba-hubba! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Daytona Superbird
No, the price I remember was for a *1966* Plymouth Belvedere II that I was reminded of by the original posting. The Daytona and/or the Superbird had not yet been introduced when I was in high school. The 1966 Belvedere II with a 426 Hemi preceded the Dodge Charger Daytona model by three-and-a-half years (four years for the Plymouth Superbird) and was simply a very plain, bare bones, 2-door automobile with a big ass engine shoe-horned in under the hood. According to what I read today, the 426 Hemi was introduced to NASCAR in 1964, but Chrysler was not allowed to use it for the 1965 season because it wasn't available in a production vehicle. Chrysler fixed that in the 1966 model year by offering the 426 Hemi as an option on the 1966 Belvedere II and the low price I saw may have reflected something of a loss leader to sell enough of them in a short enough time to meet NASCAR's requirements. By the time the Charger Daytona and Plymouth Superbird came along, Chrysler didn't need to encourage those sales to meet NASCAR's requirements; the muscle-car phenomenon had caught on by then. On 2/22/2014 3:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: That price is wrong. Here’s a marooned sticker from a Dodge Daytona with the less expensive 440 engine. It’s well over 4K. This car was an OE restoration winner at the Mopar Nationals a couple of years back. You can back up to the folder if you want to see it. Not very pretty. The nose is correctly mismatched and the assembly is appropriately shoddy. That’s the way it came from the factory, so that’s the way the OE resto boys finish them. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16382240 On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: For reference, in 1966, my 1966 Shelby GT 350 was only $4200, new out the door. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. In '67 my dad bought a brand new Plymouth Barracuda Fastback for about $3,500. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Daytona Superbird
Thinking about it while I've been reading up on the subject, I think the price may have been something of a loss leader. It was a *great* deal price-wise looking back from TODAY, but back then I don't think the factory Muscle Car phenomenon had got off the ground yet. This was a year, maybe two before it really took off. The demand wasn't there Chrysler needed to sell a bunch of cars with a 426 Hemi before the 1966 NASCAR season. Chrysler ran the 426 Hemi in 1964, but NASCAR banned it in 1965 because the engine wasn't available in a production vehicle. So they offered it as an option in 1966 I'm pretty sure they had to sell a certain number to make it acceptable to NASCAR. On 2/22/2014 3:57 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: that was still a damn good deal, even in '66 considering it had the 426 hemi and 3 on the floor. On 2/22/2014 3:42 PM, John wrote: Not a Superbird, not even a Road Runner - a 1966 Belvedere II 2-dr, but with a 426 Hemi 3-speed on the floor manual transmission. I don't know why, but that's what it was. I think it was the same platform that would in later years be used for the Road Runner Superbird, but this particular model was at least a couple of years before that happened. It was still the days when Dodge was the brand little old spinster school teachers drove (The Little Old Lady from Pasadena not withstanding) because they stopped making DeSotos in 1960. The Chrysler 300 was a preacher's car because Cadillacs were too flashy for a man of the cloth who didn't want to be seen putting on airs. Not much more than a year after the debut of the Ford Mustang the Plymouth Barracuda was still regarded as just a sporty version Plymouth Valiant. Prices went up a whole lot later on, but it was cheap because it wasn't that popular (YET). Keep in mind that at that time Durham, NC was a small town whose major industry was the manufacture of cigarettes as a market town for tobacco farmers. It sat on the showroom floor the whole of my junior year in high school; a good nine months which is a long time for a dealer to have a vehicle sitting on the lot. On 2/22/2014 2:10 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: $2400 for the superbird?? no way! On 2/22/2014 12:43 PM, John wrote: It *was* remarkably low. That's why I remember it for so long. It was about the same price as the plain vanilla Chevy 4-dr sedan my father had bought the year before and I found that amazing. On 2/21/2014 7:35 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird I never thought they were as cool as the Plymouth Belvedere II that preceded them. I remember back in high school the local Plymouth dealer was on the way when I walked from school to my after school job I'd sometimes stop in to drool over a '66 2-door, 426 Hemi, 3-speed on the floor (Hurst shifter I think - that may be just wishful thinking, but it *was* a floor shift). Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. On 2/21/2014 2:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Olympic Hockey
FWIW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNr3nK_bvKQ On 2/22/2014 4:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: And now the US loses to Finland!!! Finland, Finland, Finland The country where I want to be Pony trekking or camping Or just watching TV Finland, Finland, Finland It's the country for me You're so near to Russia So far from Japan Quite a long way from Cairo Lots of miles from Vietnam Finland, Finland, Finland The country where I want to be Eating breakfast or dinner Or snack lunch in the hall Finland, Finland, Finland Finland has it all You're so sadly neglected And often ignored A poor second to Belgium When going abroad Finland, Finland, Finland The country where I quite want to be Your mountains so lofty Your treetops so tall Finland, Finland, Finland Finland has it all Oh focus on Finland friends Finland, Finland, Finland The country where I quite want to be Your mountains so lofty Your treetops so tall Finland, Finland, Finland Finland has it all, Finland has it all Michael Palin Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 4:01 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, it is nationalism. Hockey is part of the soul of the country so winning is a big deal. And no, not much to gloat about. Except maybe universal health care. ;-) Cheers, frank On 22 February, 2014 2:47:44 PM EST, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:05 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 21/02/2014, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Men's. Women's. Canada vs. USA. 'Nuff said... This doesn't count as politics? Strictly speaking, it is Nationalism (not politics). The Olympics has been used as a grand stage for political purposes (think the 1936 Berlin Summer Olympics) and also used for political purposes (think Jimmy Carter boycotting the Moscow Olympics in 1980) but the games themselves are not political. However, the entire format of the games is to promote competition based upon Nationalism. I think everyone should cut Frank some slack. Canadians have so little they can gloat over. :) :) :) “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Olympic Hockey
Didn't even notice. You did say first *organized* ice hockey game. On 2/22/2014 4:40 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Doh. Make that 1875 in Montreal. But you knew that. On Feb 22, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: It seems as though the first organized ice hockey game may have been played in Montreal in 1975. It was probably a variant of field hockey type games played in Ireland and Scotland. Oxford University in the UK started playing ice hockey in 1885. Yale and John Hopkins in the U.S. started playing in 1893. The University of Michigan and Michigan State University played their first varsity hockey game in 1922. On Feb 22, 2014, at 3:59 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The Americans always have strong teams and you always bring your best game to us. For a hundred years or more hockey has been our game. While we weren't watching the rest of the world (the cold world, anyway) started playing and improving and all of a sudden thirty years ago guys with names like Mogilny, Federov, Salming, Hasek and Koivu started playing here and dominating. Oh yeah, guys like Brian Leech, too. It was a shock. When I was a kid every NHL player was Canadian except two Americans and they were journeymen. Now I doubt that Canadians comprise more than 50% of the league, probably less. Hockey is engrained in our national psyche in a way you can't imagine; like baseball might have been in the US up to the 1950s. So when we win internationally it's a big deal around here. And to beat our close friends and natural rivals it's all the sweeter. :-) Cheers, frank On 22 February, 2014 2:31:56 PM EST, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's about as surprising as the Dutch wins in speed skating. G Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On 21/02/2014, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Men's. Women's. Canada vs. USA. 'Nuff said... “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Olympic Hockey
On 2/23/2014 5:26 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Your curate had this stroke of luck: His granddad invented the puck. To show he was manly The Reverend Stanley Taught nice English girls how to pray. B Need I say it, *MARK*! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Definition of pinup?
Your correspondent is full of it! The pin-up implies sex sexy without being overtly, graphically pornographic. The background is immaterial. If you're going for TRADITIONAL, all you need is a hot babe in a one piece bathing costume: http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/betty-garble-pin-up/ http://www.mostlyposters.com/images/posters/fullsize/50229.jpg ... and for balance (per knarF): http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/05/article-0-006019260258-707_468x474.jpg You can use any year automobile you want for your pin-ups. No one's going to be looking at the damn car anyway. See also: Alberto Vargas, Esquire Magazine Nose art. On 2/23/2014 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Roof
I really like that, Attila. The low-key rendering makes it really quite haunting. Rick On Feb 21, 2014, at 16:42 , Attila Boros wrote: Another photo on my way from home after working late. Taken with the little Sony. http://1x.com/photo/493847 or http://500px.com/photo/61755439 It's the roof of a big store backlit by a neon sign. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Fancy Hibiscus
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17692632 Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: Michigan winter scenes
I kept thinking about the winter weather, that it was going to end eventually, that there might not be another like this for years. So I went to Munising along Lake Superior in the Michigan Upper Peninsula Monday with a stop at Taquamanon Falls on the way. Tuesday I went by a few familiar places (Wagner Falls, Au Train Falls, Scott Falls) which I had previously shot in the summer and/or fall. Plus I went to the Rock River Canyon Ice Caves aka the Eden Ice Caves. A bit west of Chatham to Eden, then a couple of miles north and a mile hike in. Wednesday I went back by Wagner, back to Eden Ice Caves, then home with a side trip to Grand Marais. Here is a link to a selection of shots from the trip: http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p906193763/e1b89b999 Some of the ice photos are focus-stacked, and there is one obvious HDR just for fun. But most of these are straight shots without much post-processing besides color balance. Shot with K-3 and either the HD DA 20-40/2.8-4.0 ED Limited DC WR (aka 20-40mm) or the DA* 50-135/2.8 ED [IF] SDM (aka 50–135/2.8) Comments and critique welcome but I may or may not have a chance to respond - headed to Israel this Wednesday for a couple of weeks to collect on some glasses of beer Boris owes me. It is possible that there may be some photography involved as well. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Michigan winter scenes
An excellent set. Numbers 8 and 19 are among my favorites. Paul On Feb 23, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: I kept thinking about the winter weather, that it was going to end eventually, that there might not be another like this for years. So I went to Munising along Lake Superior in the Michigan Upper Peninsula Monday with a stop at Taquamanon Falls on the way. Tuesday I went by a few familiar places (Wagner Falls, Au Train Falls, Scott Falls) which I had previously shot in the summer and/or fall. Plus I went to the Rock River Canyon Ice Caves aka the Eden Ice Caves. A bit west of Chatham to Eden, then a couple of miles north and a mile hike in. Wednesday I went back by Wagner, back to Eden Ice Caves, then home with a side trip to Grand Marais. Here is a link to a selection of shots from the trip: http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p906193763/e1b89b999 Some of the ice photos are focus-stacked, and there is one obvious HDR just for fun. But most of these are straight shots without much post-processing besides color balance. Shot with K-3 and either the HD DA 20-40/2.8-4.0 ED Limited DC WR (aka 20-40mm) or the DA* 50-135/2.8 ED [IF] SDM (aka 50–135/2.8) Comments and critique welcome but I may or may not have a chance to respond - headed to Israel this Wednesday for a couple of weeks to collect on some glasses of beer Boris owes me. It is possible that there may be some photography involved as well. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Michigan winter scenes
Some dramatic icicles and frozen falls. #13 thru 17 are particularly interesting. Jack - Original Message - From: Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:07 PM Subject: GESO: Michigan winter scenes I kept thinking about the winter weather, that it was going to end eventually, that there might not be another like this for years. So I went to Munising along Lake Superior in the Michigan Upper Peninsula Monday with a stop at Taquamanon Falls on the way. Tuesday I went by a few familiar places (Wagner Falls, Au Train Falls, Scott Falls) which I had previously shot in the summer and/or fall. Plus I went to the Rock River Canyon Ice Caves aka the Eden Ice Caves. A bit west of Chatham to Eden, then a couple of miles north and a mile hike in. Wednesday I went back by Wagner, back to Eden Ice Caves, then home with a side trip to Grand Marais. Here is a link to a selection of shots from the trip: http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p906193763/e1b89b999 Some of the ice photos are focus-stacked, and there is one obvious HDR just for fun. But most of these are straight shots without much post-processing besides color balance. Shot with K-3 and either the HD DA 20-40/2.8-4.0 ED Limited DC WR (aka 20-40mm) or the DA* 50-135/2.8 ED [IF] SDM (aka 50–135/2.8) Comments and critique welcome but I may or may not have a chance to respond - headed to Israel this Wednesday for a couple of weeks to collect on some glasses of beer Boris owes me. It is possible that there may be some photography involved as well. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Icicles
Thanks, Ken. The reason the big icicles were at this location is because this roof in not atop an attic. this portion of the roof is over and overhang, and further back over the garage. In any event, the icicles came and left quickly, during a short period of warmer weather an sunny skies. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Around here, icicles on eaves are a sign of insuffient insulation in the attic, letting heat escape causing the melting and the eventual ice dams and icicles Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Icicles Thanks, David. We had a LOT of snow this year, and it piled up on the roof. In the cold, sunny aftermath of the snowstorms, some of the snow melted, forming large icicles along the edges and corners. These were the largest on our house. I took this image from the upper deck off our bedroom, which allowed me to get close enough to use the DA 50mm F1.8 rather than a zoom lens. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:41 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Impressive. You must have a strong roof! We just had a big (by our standards) thunderstorm come through. Thankfully the hailstones were a lot smaller than forecast. Cheers, Dave On Feb 23, 2014, at 12:19 pm, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: The melting snow created a few icicles at our home: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17691732 K-r with smc DA 50mm F1.8 Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - The good old days (computer-wise)
I just got there! I love it too, but it makes my little design look awful - it's so clean. another time wastere ehre - oh dear dear ann On 2/23/2014 16:55, Bob W-PDML wrote: i found it by way of this amusing tool which executes google searches by teletype: http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ I love that! B On 23 Feb 2014, at 20:38, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2014-02-22 11:00 Ann Sanfedele wrote and I could. I considered making it without the type (I tried to make it look as much as what I remember the font to be when punching the holes in photoshop). it's a fun concept, but i don't think that font is accurate; looks like American Typewriter, and i remember a more stripped down typeface on punch cards; i tried to find you a more accurate typeface, and came up with this: http://mplus-fonts.sourceforge.jp/webfonts/index-en.html#fonts_set that is a large group of fonts, and you may have trouble unpacking the download - contact me offlist if you'd like me to send the most appropriate fonts i found it by way of this amusing tool which executes google searches by teletype: http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ i didn't use punch cards much - at university i was lucky to plunge directly into interactive CRT terminal use in 1978; on the side i had a research assistantship with Arthur Swersey, a disarmingly non-conformant biz school professor who wouldn't blink when i showed up at his office in bare feet and cutoffs; one of my many tasks with Prof. Swersey was to set up some SIMULA jobs to run on an IBM 360; i think that, about 1981, was my only contact with punch cards, and it felt pretty old-fashioned -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
