Re: Computer upgrade two step.

[Zos Xavius]

I once got it combined with some choice words to startup in safe mode
with F8 at boot. The thing is the window is so small it is almost
impossible to really to hit it at the right time. If anything it
should have been left in testing a little longer. A lot of the
problems I got caught up with were certainly driver related and once
they solved some of the legacy driver issues I really haven't had any
problems. The newer builds seems a bit more reliable overall too. I'm
also on the slow testing ring, but I see no real reason to be on the
bleeding edge anymore. A lot of my initial frustrations have all been
rectified.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 10:54 PM, John Francis  wrote:
>
> That's my experience as well.  It ran much better on our 4GB systems than
> W7 - it was even quite usable on the oldest (dual celeron processor) box.
>
> There are things to dislike about it - there's no easy way to force it
> to boot into safe mode if you can't get through the initial boot sequence,
> to name but one - but overall I find it to be an improvement.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 10:27:44PM -0500, Zos Xavius wrote:
>> It actually is really nice. It performs better for me than 7 ever did
>> so I will gladly take the performance improvement. Pretty impressive
>> really considering I am currently using 5 year old hardware.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 10:13 PM, John  wrote:
>> > On 12/11/2016 2:57 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Side note: if you have a legitimate windows 7 key you can still
>> >> upgrade to windows 10. Google windows 10 accesibility upgrade. Just
>> >> pretend you are deaf or blind for a day and do it. Windows 10 is a
>> >> pretty big leap in performance over Windows 7. I don't know how much
>> >> ram you have but 8GB is a pretty good number to start with if you are
>> >> running the newer lightroom. 16-32 is a lot better I must say.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Windoze 10 is not an upgrade. It is an abomination!
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Re: Computer upgrade two step.

[John Francis]

That's my experience as well.  It ran much better on our 4GB systems than
W7 - it was even quite usable on the oldest (dual celeron processor) box.

There are things to dislike about it - there's no easy way to force it
to boot into safe mode if you can't get through the initial boot sequence,
to name but one - but overall I find it to be an improvement.


On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 10:27:44PM -0500, Zos Xavius wrote:
> It actually is really nice. It performs better for me than 7 ever did
> so I will gladly take the performance improvement. Pretty impressive
> really considering I am currently using 5 year old hardware.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 10:13 PM, John  wrote:
> > On 12/11/2016 2:57 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Side note: if you have a legitimate windows 7 key you can still
> >> upgrade to windows 10. Google windows 10 accesibility upgrade. Just
> >> pretend you are deaf or blind for a day and do it. Windows 10 is a
> >> pretty big leap in performance over Windows 7. I don't know how much
> >> ram you have but 8GB is a pretty good number to start with if you are
> >> running the newer lightroom. 16-32 is a lot better I must say.
> >>
> >
> > Windoze 10 is not an upgrade. It is an abomination!
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Re: Computer upgrade two step.

[Zos Xavius]

It actually is really nice. It performs better for me than 7 ever did
so I will gladly take the performance improvement. Pretty impressive
really considering I am currently using 5 year old hardware.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 10:13 PM, John  wrote:
> On 12/11/2016 2:57 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>
>>
>> Side note: if you have a legitimate windows 7 key you can still
>> upgrade to windows 10. Google windows 10 accesibility upgrade. Just
>> pretend you are deaf or blind for a day and do it. Windows 10 is a
>> pretty big leap in performance over Windows 7. I don't know how much
>> ram you have but 8GB is a pretty good number to start with if you are
>> running the newer lightroom. 16-32 is a lot better I must say.
>>
>
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Re: Computer upgrade two step.

[John]

On 12/11/2016 2:57 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:



Side note: if you have a legitimate windows 7 key you can still
upgrade to windows 10. Google windows 10 accesibility upgrade. Just
pretend you are deaf or blind for a day and do it. Windows 10 is a
pretty big leap in performance over Windows 7. I don't know how much
ram you have but 8GB is a pretty good number to start with if you are
running the newer lightroom. 16-32 is a lot better I must say.



Windoze 10 is not an upgrade. It is an abomination!

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Re: Testing Email yet again

[John]

Arrived here in Raleigh, NC if that helps at all.

On 12/11/2016 1:54 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

For some reasons e-mail sent through this account on this machine
disappear into the aether.




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Re: OT: Diesels

[Zos Xavius]

It is probably for the best that diesels never caught on in America
for several reasons. Can you imagine the increased pollution?

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Clouseau would have been wrong. :-)
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Jostein  wrote:
>>
>> Well as Clouseau would have said, not anymeur. :-)
>> Jostein
>>
>> Den 11.12.2016 21.51, skrev Paul Stenquist:
>>> U.S. Diesel standards were much stricter than Europe's for decades. I 
>>> worked with Mercedes and they were troubled by the challenge.but they met 
>>> it. Europe was more or less pulled along.
>>>
>>> Paul via phone
>>>
 On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jostein  wrote:

 Actually, Paul;
 The standars for emissions have been phased in gradually, in "tiers". 
 There's been a strong push from the car mfgs, starting at least a decade 
 ago, to make authorities in both the EU, USA, Japan and others harmonise 
 the timing of the phase-in.
 There's no more "banning" in the US than elsewhere, so sales drops are 
 more likely due to other factors such as customer preference or 
 market-regulating import tariffs.

 Jostein

 Den 11.12.2016 21.33, skrev Paul Stenquist:
> The U.S. Diesel particulate and NOx standards effectively banned them 
> here.
> Mercedes , BMW and GM have been able to meet the standards with urea
> injection and filters, but the tuning was somewhat crippling.
> Volkswagen and Audi got around it by cheating. Diesels are all but
> deadfor cars in the U.S. still viable for light trucks.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>
>> And in various European cities, there's a move to ban ALL diesel engined 
>> devices from the city .. permanently.
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>>>
>>> The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30%
>>> Cheaper than Petrol.
>>> And Trucks, Busses, Tractors, Trains. Generators etc were always Diesel.
>>>
>>> What a waste in transporting just one chap in one vehicle. Our roads
>>> are chock a block with
>>> traffic moving at snails pace during the Office Commute Hours.
>>>
>>> In Delhi, India's Capital, ODD & Even numbered cars ply on alternate
>>> days, such are the levels
>>> of pollution, smog & fog so as to disrupt Flights, Trains & Highway 
>>> traffic.
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Re: PESO - Balboa Park

[ann sanfedele]

ooh yummy Corinthian capitols... On my monitor the lights are a bit too 
light and the dark areas lack detail.. but that depends on the tilt of 
my monitor so I'm not sure which is the "true" view -


I remember that building from when I was there in 2002... it is alsoon 
one of the San Diego Starbucks City themed cards


ann



On 12/11/2016 1:47 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Another from Balboa Park in San Diego:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18318870

(K-5, DA 50-200)

Comments appreciated.

Rick








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Re: PESO - life sustaining

[Larry Colen]

Bruce Walker wrote:

It has been an interval since I annoyed you all with a shot. So here's
another from my Déshabillé series.

About a 2 on the 0-10 scaled NSFW-o-Meter.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GPswv0g5Z9bQ/IPNL4h00ZZqI


It's a very nice photo, with a very quiet peaceful feel to it.

Interesting,  the right side of the bookshelf gives the photo both a 
"square composition" and a "horizontal composition, and the photo is 
well composed in either case.


The plane of focus seems to be on the handle of the coffee cup and the 
piercing, but not on her eyes, which doesn't make sense, unless you were 
shooting up at her.  I think it might just be the sharp, hard edges make 
those more prominent.  Looking more closely, her knee and shoulder also 
seem to be pretty sharp.  I think it might have been improved a bit if 
the field of focus were further back so that her hair was sharper and 
her knee was less sharp.


Did you, by any chance, get any shots of that pose from about two feet 
to your left of this one?  Or was there too much clutter to the right of 
the bookshelf?




645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/8, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO; handheld; mix of
strobe and ambient.



Very nice, a classic example of the genre.

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Re: OT: Diesels

[Paul Stenquist]

Clouseau would have been wrong. :-)

Paul via phone

> On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Jostein  wrote:
> 
> Well as Clouseau would have said, not anymeur. :-)
> Jostein
> 
> Den 11.12.2016 21.51, skrev Paul Stenquist:
>> U.S. Diesel standards were much stricter than Europe's for decades. I worked 
>> with Mercedes and they were troubled by the challenge.but they met it. 
>> Europe was more or less pulled along.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jostein  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, Paul;
>>> The standars for emissions have been phased in gradually, in "tiers". 
>>> There's been a strong push from the car mfgs, starting at least a decade 
>>> ago, to make authorities in both the EU, USA, Japan and others harmonise 
>>> the timing of the phase-in.
>>> There's no more "banning" in the US than elsewhere, so sales drops are more 
>>> likely due to other factors such as customer preference or 
>>> market-regulating import tariffs.
>>> 
>>> Jostein
>>> 
>>> Den 11.12.2016 21.33, skrev Paul Stenquist:
 The U.S. Diesel particulate and NOx standards effectively banned them here.
 Mercedes , BMW and GM have been able to meet the standards with urea
 injection and filters, but the tuning was somewhat crippling.
 Volkswagen and Audi got around it by cheating. Diesels are all but
 deadfor cars in the U.S. still viable for light trucks.
 
 Paul via phone
 
> On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> And in various European cities, there's a move to ban ALL diesel engined 
> devices from the city .. permanently.
> 
> G
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>> 
>> The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30%
>> Cheaper than Petrol.
>> And Trucks, Busses, Tractors, Trains. Generators etc were always Diesel.
>> 
>> What a waste in transporting just one chap in one vehicle. Our roads
>> are chock a block with
>> traffic moving at snails pace during the Office Commute Hours.
>> 
>> In Delhi, India's Capital, ODD & Even numbered cars ply on alternate
>> days, such are the levels
>> of pollution, smog & fog so as to disrupt Flights, Trains & Highway 
>> traffic.
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Re: PESO - life sustaining

[Bruce Walker]

Certainly. It's a tradition. :)


On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> On 11 Dec 2016, at 20:33, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> She's a discerning reader though. That small collection includes the
>> rare 8-volume "Baroness" pulp series.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baroness_(novels)
>
> Awesome. I expect the Baroness had similar problems sourcing clothes that 
> didn't just keep falling off...
>
>>
>> I grabbed just enough books from a shelf at home to give the
>> impression of bookshelves there. I first had to clear all the studio
>> shelves of grip gear, gaff tape and assorted junk to neaten my set. I
>> already had enough gear to carry in there, so more books would have
>> been nice but hard to get onto my gear roller cart.
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> I must be getting old. My eyes went straight to the bookshelves and I 
>>> thought "well, she's not much of a reader".
>>>
>>> B
>>>
 On 11 Dec 2016, at 19:45, Bruce Walker  wrote:

 It has been an interval since I annoyed you all with a shot. So here's
 another from my Deėshabilleė series.

 About a 2 on the 0-10 scaled NSFW-o-Meter.

 http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GPswv0g5Z9bQ/IPNL4h00ZZqI

 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/8, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO; handheld; mix of
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Re: OT: Diesels

[Jostein]

Well as Clouseau would have said, not anymeur. :-)
Jostein

Den 11.12.2016 21.51, skrev Paul Stenquist:

U.S. Diesel standards were much stricter than Europe's for decades. I worked 
with Mercedes and they were troubled by the challenge.but they met it. Europe 
was more or less pulled along.

Paul via phone


On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jostein  wrote:

Actually, Paul;
The standars for emissions have been phased in gradually, in "tiers". There's 
been a strong push from the car mfgs, starting at least a decade ago, to make authorities 
in both the EU, USA, Japan and others harmonise the timing of the phase-in.
There's no more "banning" in the US than elsewhere, so sales drops are more 
likely due to other factors such as customer preference or market-regulating import 
tariffs.

Jostein

Den 11.12.2016 21.33, skrev Paul Stenquist:

The U.S. Diesel particulate and NOx standards effectively banned them here.
Mercedes , BMW and GM have been able to meet the standards with urea
injection and filters, but the tuning was somewhat crippling.
Volkswagen and Audi got around it by cheating. Diesels are all but
deadfor cars in the U.S. still viable for light trucks.

Paul via phone


On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

And in various European cities, there's a move to ban ALL diesel engined 
devices from the city .. permanently.

G



On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:

The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30%
Cheaper than Petrol.
And Trucks, Busses, Tractors, Trains. Generators etc were always Diesel.

What a waste in transporting just one chap in one vehicle. Our roads
are chock a block with
traffic moving at snails pace during the Office Commute Hours.

In Delhi, India's Capital, ODD & Even numbered cars ply on alternate
days, such are the levels
of pollution, smog & fog so as to disrupt Flights, Trains & Highway traffic.


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Re: OT: Diesels

[Jostein]

Bipin,
You should cheer your local government to fast-track emission 
regulations. According to Wikipedia it seems India is a decade behind 
Europe. Sounds like you really need to, with your levels of pollution. 
The weather during the winter monsoon doesn't seem to help things either.

Jostein

Den 11.12.2016 17.31, skrev Bipin Gupta:

The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30%
Cheaper than Petrol.
And Trucks, Busses, Tractors, Trains. Generators etc were always Diesel.

What a waste in transporting just one chap in one vehicle. Our roads
are chock a block with
traffic moving at snails pace during the Office Commute Hours.

In Delhi, India's Capital, ODD & Even numbered cars ply on alternate
days, such are the levels
of pollution, smog & fog so as to disrupt Flights, Trains & Highway traffic.

God Bless Mother Earth.

Regards.
Bipin.



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Re: OT: Diesels

[Bill]

Some clarification

The vehicle is either being driven, or the block heater is plugged in, 
and yes, I would be using winter weight fuel. I've pretty much 
determined from the Titan forum that I have a faulty truck.


Thanks all

bill

On 12/11/2016 2:28 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

I would guess that Canadian fuel stations change winter diesel and summer 
diesel in their tanks according to public regulation, just like in the Nordic 
countries.
Jostein

Den 11. desember 2016 02.34.05 CET, skrev mike wilson :

On 10 December 2016 at 15:35 Bill 

wrote:



A couple of months ago I spoiled myself in a major way and bought one

of

the new Nissan Titan diesel trucks, equipped with a 5 liter turbo
Cummins engine. This is my first foray into the world of diesel

engines.

I expect there are a few people on the list that have more experience



with the things.
My questions all revolve around cold weather starting.
What is considered cold for a Diesel?


Too many variables for that to have an easy answer. There are winter
and summer
grades of fuel.  If there aren't many diesels around there, you could
have
picked up a tank of summer grade from a slow moving supplier.


Should plugging in the block heater make a difference?


Yes.  There are variations in block heaters, too.  Maybe your vehicle
has one
designed for higher temps than yours, fitted to keep the production
line
running.  Is it plugged in all night?


Can glow plugs be flakey?


Yes but not until you've done a considerable mileage.  I'd be more
inclined to
suspect the power feed, or even the software control of them in such a
new
vehicle.



It's not all that cold here right now. Anything below about -16ºC is

an

issue for this truck. This morning was -27ºC, and it took multiple
attempts to get it running. Starting is completely automatic, the

only

control the driver has in this regard is a PHD button that initiates

the

start cycle. After that, it's up to the truck.
I like the truck, but if I need to go out and start it and warm it up



every 5-6 hours during the cold months, it is not going to be a

pleasant

vehicle to own.  They say don't idle it for extended periods because

of

the particulate filters, and if it is idled to much, it goes into
perpetual regeneration of the filter, which means it's dumping raw

fuel

into the exhaust to burn off the soot. This drops gas mileage to

about

60l/100km. One it is running, it is a joy to drive.


Dead right about the filters.  DPF equipped vehicles need to be run on
longer
journeys, mostly, with regular vigorous use to keep the filters working
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Re: OT: Diesels

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U.S. Diesel standards were much stricter than Europe's for decades. I worked 
with Mercedes and they were troubled by the challenge.but they met it. Europe 
was more or less pulled along.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jostein  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Paul;
> The standars for emissions have been phased in gradually, in "tiers". There's 
> been a strong push from the car mfgs, starting at least a decade ago, to make 
> authorities in both the EU, USA, Japan and others harmonise the timing of the 
> phase-in.
> There's no more "banning" in the US than elsewhere, so sales drops are more 
> likely due to other factors such as customer preference or market-regulating 
> import tariffs.
> 
> Jostein
> 
> Den 11.12.2016 21.33, skrev Paul Stenquist:
>> The U.S. Diesel particulate and NOx standards effectively banned them here.
> > Mercedes , BMW and GM have been able to meet the standards with urea
> > injection and filters, but the tuning was somewhat crippling.
> > Volkswagen and Audi got around it by cheating. Diesels are all but
>> deadfor cars in the U.S. still viable for light trucks.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And in various European cities, there's a move to ban ALL diesel engined 
>>> devices from the city .. permanently.
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
 
 The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30%
 Cheaper than Petrol.
 And Trucks, Busses, Tractors, Trains. Generators etc were always Diesel.
 
 What a waste in transporting just one chap in one vehicle. Our roads
 are chock a block with
 traffic moving at snails pace during the Office Commute Hours.
 
 In Delhi, India's Capital, ODD & Even numbered cars ply on alternate
 days, such are the levels
 of pollution, smog & fog so as to disrupt Flights, Trains & Highway 
 traffic.
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Re: PESO - life sustaining

[Bob W-PDML]

On 11 Dec 2016, at 20:33, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> She's a discerning reader though. That small collection includes the
> rare 8-volume "Baroness" pulp series.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baroness_(novels)

Awesome. I expect the Baroness had similar problems sourcing clothes that 
didn't just keep falling off...

> 
> I grabbed just enough books from a shelf at home to give the
> impression of bookshelves there. I first had to clear all the studio
> shelves of grip gear, gaff tape and assorted junk to neaten my set. I
> already had enough gear to carry in there, so more books would have
> been nice but hard to get onto my gear roller cart.
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> I must be getting old. My eyes went straight to the bookshelves and I 
>> thought "well, she's not much of a reader".
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On 11 Dec 2016, at 19:45, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It has been an interval since I annoyed you all with a shot. So here's
>>> another from my Deėshabilleė series.
>>> 
>>> About a 2 on the 0-10 scaled NSFW-o-Meter.
>>> 
>>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GPswv0g5Z9bQ/IPNL4h00ZZqI
>>> 
>>> 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/8, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO; handheld; mix of
>>> strobe and ambient.
>>> 
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Re: OT: Diesels

[Jostein]

Actually, Paul;
The standars for emissions have been phased in gradually, in "tiers". 
There's been a strong push from the car mfgs, starting at least a decade 
ago, to make authorities in both the EU, USA, Japan and others harmonise 
the timing of the phase-in.
There's no more "banning" in the US than elsewhere, so sales drops are 
more likely due to other factors such as customer preference or 
market-regulating import tariffs.


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Den 11.12.2016 21.33, skrev Paul Stenquist:

The U.S. Diesel particulate and NOx standards effectively banned them here.

> Mercedes , BMW and GM have been able to meet the standards with urea
> injection and filters, but the tuning was somewhat crippling.
> Volkswagen and Audi got around it by cheating. Diesels are all but

deadfor cars in the U.S. still viable for light trucks.

Paul via phone


On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

And in various European cities, there's a move to ban ALL diesel engined 
devices from the city .. permanently.

G



On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:

The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30%
Cheaper than Petrol.
And Trucks, Busses, Tractors, Trains. Generators etc were always Diesel.

What a waste in transporting just one chap in one vehicle. Our roads
are chock a block with
traffic moving at snails pace during the Office Commute Hours.

In Delhi, India's Capital, ODD & Even numbered cars ply on alternate
days, such are the levels
of pollution, smog & fog so as to disrupt Flights, Trains & Highway traffic.


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Re: OT: Diesels

[Paul Stenquist]

The U.S. Diesel particulate and NOx standards effectively banned them here. 
Mercedes , BMW and GM have been able to meet the standards with urea injection 
and filters, but the tuning was somewhat crippling. Volkswagen and Audi got 
around it by cheating. Diesels are all but dead for cars in the U.S. still 
viable for light trucks.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> And in various European cities, there's a move to ban ALL diesel engined 
> devices from the city .. permanently. 
> 
> G
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>> 
>> The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30%
>> Cheaper than Petrol.
>> And Trucks, Busses, Tractors, Trains. Generators etc were always Diesel.
>> 
>> What a waste in transporting just one chap in one vehicle. Our roads
>> are chock a block with
>> traffic moving at snails pace during the Office Commute Hours.
>> 
>> In Delhi, India's Capital, ODD & Even numbered cars ply on alternate
>> days, such are the levels
>> of pollution, smog & fog so as to disrupt Flights, Trains & Highway traffic.
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Re: PESO - life sustaining

[Bruce Walker]

She's a discerning reader though. That small collection includes the
rare 8-volume "Baroness" pulp series.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baroness_(novels)

I grabbed just enough books from a shelf at home to give the
impression of bookshelves there. I first had to clear all the studio
shelves of grip gear, gaff tape and assorted junk to neaten my set. I
already had enough gear to carry in there, so more books would have
been nice but hard to get onto my gear roller cart.


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> I must be getting old. My eyes went straight to the bookshelves and I thought 
> "well, she's not much of a reader".
>
> B
>
>> On 11 Dec 2016, at 19:45, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> It has been an interval since I annoyed you all with a shot. So here's
>> another from my Deėshabilleė series.
>>
>> About a 2 on the 0-10 scaled NSFW-o-Meter.
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GPswv0g5Z9bQ/IPNL4h00ZZqI
>>
>> 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/8, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO; handheld; mix of
>> strobe and ambient.
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Re: OT: Diesels

[Jostein Øksne]

I would guess that Canadian fuel stations change winter diesel and summer 
diesel in their tanks according to public regulation, just like in the Nordic 
countries. 
Jostein 

Den 11. desember 2016 02.34.05 CET, skrev mike wilson :
>> On 10 December 2016 at 15:35 Bill 
>wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A couple of months ago I spoiled myself in a major way and bought one
>of 
>> the new Nissan Titan diesel trucks, equipped with a 5 liter turbo 
>> Cummins engine. This is my first foray into the world of diesel
>engines. 
>> I expect there are a few people on the list that have more experience
>
>> with the things.
>> My questions all revolve around cold weather starting.
>> What is considered cold for a Diesel?
>
>Too many variables for that to have an easy answer. There are winter
>and summer
>grades of fuel.  If there aren't many diesels around there, you could
>have
>picked up a tank of summer grade from a slow moving supplier.
>
>> Should plugging in the block heater make a difference?
>
>Yes.  There are variations in block heaters, too.  Maybe your vehicle
>has one
>designed for higher temps than yours, fitted to keep the production
>line
>running.  Is it plugged in all night?
>
>> Can glow plugs be flakey?
>
>Yes but not until you've done a considerable mileage.  I'd be more
>inclined to
>suspect the power feed, or even the software control of them in such a
>new
>vehicle.
>
>> 
>> It's not all that cold here right now. Anything below about -16ºC is
>an 
>> issue for this truck. This morning was -27ºC, and it took multiple 
>> attempts to get it running. Starting is completely automatic, the
>only 
>> control the driver has in this regard is a PHD button that initiates
>the 
>> start cycle. After that, it's up to the truck.
>> I like the truck, but if I need to go out and start it and warm it up
>
>> every 5-6 hours during the cold months, it is not going to be a
>pleasant 
>> vehicle to own.  They say don't idle it for extended periods because
>of 
>> the particulate filters, and if it is idled to much, it goes into 
>> perpetual regeneration of the filter, which means it's dumping raw
>fuel 
>> into the exhaust to burn off the soot. This drops gas mileage to
>about 
>> 60l/100km. One it is running, it is a joy to drive.
>
>Dead right about the filters.  DPF equipped vehicles need to be run on
>longer
>journeys, mostly, with regular vigorous use to keep the filters working
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Re: PESO - life sustaining

[Bruce Walker]

Thanks, Paul.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> A lovely moment.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> It has been an interval since I annoyed you all with a shot. So here's
>> another from my Déshabillé series.
>>
>> About a 2 on the 0-10 scaled NSFW-o-Meter.
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GPswv0g5Z9bQ/IPNL4h00ZZqI
>>
>> 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/8, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO; handheld; mix of
>> strobe and ambient.
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Re: OT: Diesels

[Jostein]

Bill,
A block heater is a good idea anyhow. A pre-heated engine use less fuel 
than a cold engine, and the interior heater will deliver warm air 
sooner. :-)


Jostein

Den 11.12.2016 16.47, skrev mike wilson:

On 11 December 2016 at 12:32 David J Brooks  wrote:


On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Bill  wrote:


My questions all revolve around cold weather starting.
What is considered cold for a Diesel?


Having used diesel buses for 9 years  answer is, it varies on the
engine. I found Internationals and Cat engines would start in -15 or
so with out trouble, Mercedes engines had to be helped along. Older
Internationals needed to be plugeed in around -5 or so.


Should plugging in the block heater make a difference?

Yes plug it in.


Can glow plugs be flakey?

Yes they can be flaky, our rule of thub was to cycle the glow plugs at
least 3-4 times before attempting to start iyt when it got to -5 or so
with out a plug in. Yes Wabasto heaters in the newer Internationals
and Thomas built buses are a god send but they break down a lot. I ran
mine off a timer set 30 min before i arrived at the bus.


Some Webastos have the electronic controller built into the case, above the
combustion chamber.  Guess what happens?  Yes, "frying tonight".  Long term
answer is to remove said controller to a cooler place.  Actually it has to be a
new controller, as they are "potted" and effectively unrepairable.

Does knowing that make me a wonk?



Dave



If there are any diesel wonks on the forum, your thoughts would be
appreciated.




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Re: PESO - Balboa Park

[Jack Davis]

Beautifully exposed!

J

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> On Dec 11, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Modern faux classical. A bit of gold paint and some sparkle and it'd be 
> full-on Trump.
> 
>> On 11 Dec 2016, at 19:56, mike wilson  wrote:
>> 
>> Good pun on pastiche plasterwork but, for me, it's neither Ionic nor 
>> Corinthian
>> but somewhere inbetween.  Maybe a very early example of Beaux-Art?
>> 
>>> On 11 December 2016 at 19:30 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very nice. Unironic iconic Ionic - a tonic.
>>> 
 On 11 Dec 2016, at 18:48, Rick Womer  wrote:
 
 Another from Balboa Park in San Diego:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18318870
 
 (K-5, DA 50-200)
 
 Comments appreciated.
 
 Rick
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Re: OT: Diesels

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

And in various European cities, there's a move to ban ALL diesel engined 
devices from the city .. permanently. 

G


> On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
> The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30%
> Cheaper than Petrol.
> And Trucks, Busses, Tractors, Trains. Generators etc were always Diesel.
> 
> What a waste in transporting just one chap in one vehicle. Our roads
> are chock a block with
> traffic moving at snails pace during the Office Commute Hours.
> 
> In Delhi, India's Capital, ODD & Even numbered cars ply on alternate
> days, such are the levels
> of pollution, smog & fog so as to disrupt Flights, Trains & Highway traffic.

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Re: PESO - Balboa Park

[Bob W-PDML]

Modern faux classical. A bit of gold paint and some sparkle and it'd be full-on 
Trump.

> On 11 Dec 2016, at 19:56, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> Good pun on pastiche plasterwork but, for me, it's neither Ionic nor 
> Corinthian
> but somewhere inbetween.  Maybe a very early example of Beaux-Art?
> 
>> On 11 December 2016 at 19:30 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Very nice. Unironic iconic Ionic - a tonic.
>> 
>>> On 11 Dec 2016, at 18:48, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another from Balboa Park in San Diego:
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18318870
>>> 
>>> (K-5, DA 50-200)
>>> 
>>> Comments appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>>  

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Re: Computer upgrade two step.

[Zos Xavius]

If you have a spyder 2 you will be well served by a newer colorimeter.
I would highly suggest a Colormunki Display as its the most accurate
out of all of them right now and half what the i1 that uses the same
sensor costs. Paired with displaycal it will give you a very accurate
profile.

Side note: if you have a legitimate windows 7 key you can still
upgrade to windows 10. Google windows 10 accesibility upgrade. Just
pretend you are deaf or blind for a day and do it. Windows 10 is a
pretty big leap in performance over Windows 7. I don't know how much
ram you have but 8GB is a pretty good number to start with if you are
running the newer lightroom. 16-32 is a lot better I must say.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 1:18 PM, P. J. Alling
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> By which I mean one step forward one step back.
>
> I just finished an OS replacement on my Desktop, to Windows 7 "Ultimate"
> which you would think is the Pinnacle of Windows 7 but isn't, it's one level
> down from that, (I don't think that word means what they think it means).
>
> Well anyway, I've got a working image of Win7 on my desktop, but now comes
> the fun task of discovering what hardware and software that I've come to
> rely on over the past few years no longer works.  I already know that my
> trusty Spyder2 isn't supported, (crap).
>
> Almost 24 full hours of bug fixes and "improvements" automatically
> downloaded with the occasional glitch to make you pull your hair out, (and I
> really don't have enough to spare these days), at least that's almost over.
>
> I decided to do a clean install as my previous version of Windows was 32bit,
> but hardware will support 64...
>
> Why did I finally succumb to this, one because I wanted to feel real empathy
> for Dave and John in their struggles but mainly the parade of no longer
> supported on... messages has been starting in earnest.
>
> The only good thing is a few programs I've wanted to try that weren't
> supported by the old OS will work on the new.
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Re: PESO - life sustaining

[Bob W-PDML]

I must be getting old. My eyes went straight to the bookshelves and I thought 
"well, she's not much of a reader".

B

> On 11 Dec 2016, at 19:45, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> It has been an interval since I annoyed you all with a shot. So here's
> another from my Déshabillé series.
> 
> About a 2 on the 0-10 scaled NSFW-o-Meter.
> 
> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GPswv0g5Z9bQ/IPNL4h00ZZqI
> 
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Re: PESO - Balboa Park

[mike wilson]

Good pun on pastiche plasterwork but, for me, it's neither Ionic nor Corinthian
but somewhere inbetween.  Maybe a very early example of Beaux-Art?

> On 11 December 2016 at 19:30 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> Very nice. Unironic iconic Ionic - a tonic.
> 
> > On 11 Dec 2016, at 18:48, Rick Womer  wrote:
> > 
> > Another from Balboa Park in San Diego:
> > 
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18318870
> > 
> > (K-5, DA 50-200)
> > 
> > Comments appreciated.
> > 
> > Rick
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: PESO - life sustaining

[Paul Stenquist]

A lovely moment.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 11, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> It has been an interval since I annoyed you all with a shot. So here's
> another from my Déshabillé series.
> 
> About a 2 on the 0-10 scaled NSFW-o-Meter.
> 
> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GPswv0g5Z9bQ/IPNL4h00ZZqI
> 
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PESO - life sustaining

[Bruce Walker]

It has been an interval since I annoyed you all with a shot. So here's
another from my Déshabillé series.

About a 2 on the 0-10 scaled NSFW-o-Meter.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GPswv0g5Z9bQ/IPNL4h00ZZqI

645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/8, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO; handheld; mix of
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Re: PESO - Balboa Park

[David J Brooks]

good lines and balance between light and shadows


On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Another from Balboa Park in San Diego:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18318870
>
> (K-5, DA 50-200)
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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Re: Testing Email yet again

[Daniel J. Matyola]

It made the list

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: PESO - Balboa Park

[P. J. Alling]

Not what I expected but still nice.


On 12/11/2016 1:47 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Another from Balboa Park in San Diego:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18318870

(K-5, DA 50-200)

Comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - Balboa Park

[Bruce Walker]

Mark! this phonic.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> Very nice. Unironic iconic Ionic - a tonic.
>
>> On 11 Dec 2016, at 18:48, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>
>> Another from Balboa Park in San Diego:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18318870
>>
>> (K-5, DA 50-200)
>>
>> Comments appreciated.
>>
>> Rick

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Re: PESO - Balboa Park

[Bob W-PDML]

Very nice. Unironic iconic Ionic - a tonic.

> On 11 Dec 2016, at 18:48, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Another from Balboa Park in San Diego:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18318870
> 
> (K-5, DA 50-200)
> 
> Comments appreciated.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Testing Email yet again

[P. J. Alling]

Hurrah success.  I'm really starting to hate Google's security.


On 12/11/2016 1:54 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
For some reasons e-mail sent through this account on this machine 
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Testing Email yet again

[P. J. Alling]

For some reasons e-mail sent through this account on this machine 
disappear into the aether.



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PESO - Balboa Park

[Rick Womer]

Another from Balboa Park in San Diego:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18318870

(K-5, DA 50-200)

Comments appreciated.

Rick





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Computer upgrade two step.

[P. J. Alling]

By which I mean one step forward one step back.

I just finished an OS replacement on my Desktop, to Windows 7 "Ultimate" 
which you would think is the Pinnacle of Windows 7 but isn't, it's one 
level down from that, (I don't think that word means what they think it 
means).


Well anyway, I've got a working image of Win7 on my desktop, but now 
comes the fun task of discovering what hardware and software that I've 
come to rely on over the past few years no longer works.  I already know 
that my trusty Spyder2 isn't supported, (crap).


Almost 24 full hours of bug fixes and "improvements" automatically 
downloaded with the occasional glitch to make you pull your hair out, 
(and I really don't have enough to spare these days), at least that's 
almost over.


I decided to do a clean install as my previous version of Windows was 
32bit, but hardware will support 64...


Why did I finally succumb to this, one because I wanted to feel real 
empathy for Dave and John in their struggles but mainly the parade of no 
longer supported on... messages has been starting in earnest.


The only good thing is a few programs I've wanted to try that weren't 
supported by the old OS will work on the new.


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OT: Diesels

[Bipin Gupta]

The trend here in India is for Diesel Cars as Diesel Fuel is 30%
Cheaper than Petrol.
And Trucks, Busses, Tractors, Trains. Generators etc were always Diesel.

What a waste in transporting just one chap in one vehicle. Our roads
are chock a block with
traffic moving at snails pace during the Office Commute Hours.

In Delhi, India's Capital, ODD & Even numbered cars ply on alternate
days, such are the levels
of pollution, smog & fog so as to disrupt Flights, Trains & Highway traffic.

God Bless Mother Earth.

Regards.
Bipin.

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Re: OT: Diesels

[mike wilson]

> On 11 December 2016 at 12:32 David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> > My questions all revolve around cold weather starting.
> > What is considered cold for a Diesel?
> 
> Having used diesel buses for 9 years  answer is, it varies on the
> engine. I found Internationals and Cat engines would start in -15 or
> so with out trouble, Mercedes engines had to be helped along. Older
> Internationals needed to be plugeed in around -5 or so.
> 
> > Should plugging in the block heater make a difference?
> Yes plug it in.
> 
> > Can glow plugs be flakey?
> Yes they can be flaky, our rule of thub was to cycle the glow plugs at
> least 3-4 times before attempting to start iyt when it got to -5 or so
> with out a plug in. Yes Wabasto heaters in the newer Internationals
> and Thomas built buses are a god send but they break down a lot. I ran
> mine off a timer set 30 min before i arrived at the bus.

Some Webastos have the electronic controller built into the case, above the
combustion chamber.  Guess what happens?  Yes, "frying tonight".  Long term
answer is to remove said controller to a cooler place.  Actually it has to be a
new controller, as they are "potted" and effectively unrepairable.

Does knowing that make me a wonk?

> 
> Dave
> 
> >
> > If there are any diesel wonks on the forum, your thoughts would be
> > appreciated.

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Re: PESO: Family Portrait

[Bob W-PDML]

Interesting observation!

This is the Pentax list, so to me the outlier was the M2 because it is not a 
Pentax (lovely camera though). I replied to Bill's comment that it is the daddy 
of them all because (depending on how you define 'family') Leica is the 
ancestor of all 35mm cameras, and the Pentaxes are all in the line of descent, 
even the digital one. Perhaps I should have said 'great-uncle'.

> On 11 Dec 2016, at 15:12, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2016, at 1:59 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> Stanley Halpin wrote:
>> 
>> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e70e0fc7
>> +
>> 
>> Very nice.
>> 
>> Malcolm
>> 
> 
> Thanks Malcolm.
> 
> I must say I am intrigued by the responses from Bill, Bob W, and Alan. 
> Reminded me of a sub-section of a multivariate-analysis statistics course I 
> took many decades ago. The issue was how to systematically identify 
> underlying common themes in various responses to a set of stimuli and then to 
> apply the results in a classification process. (For the biologists in the 
> room, there is some overlap here with numerical taxonomy.) In a class 
> exercise we got together in teams of 2-3 persons and tried to sort a handful 
> of assorted nuts and bolts and nails and screws and washers etc. Some brass, 
> some stainless steel, some small, some larger, etc. From all of this emerged 
> an understanding of how to use one form of question to discern perceived 
> dimensionality and the relative importance of different dimensions. Simply 
> ask persons to look at a set of four objects and say which is the different 
> one. 
> 
> I did NOT have that in mind when I posted the Family Portrait! But there are 
> 4 cameras shown. Three from the film era, one digital. Three are relatively 
> small, one is larger. Three are Pentax, one Leica. Three are SLR or DSLR, one 
> is rangefinder. Three were sporting a 50mm lens, one with a 35mm. Bill, Bob 
> W., and Alan all picked up on one or more of these differences but it is not 
> clear which was the real defining difference they had in mind when making 
> their comments. And I wonder if all three were reacting to the same aspect (I 
> am guessing brand name) or if they were seeing different things. 
> 
> Just something to mull over while I am putting off the chore of getting the 
> snow blower out from underneath the pile of tarps etc. in the back of the 
> garage and clearing the driveway…
> 
> stan
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Re: PESO: Family Portrait

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Dec 11, 2016, at 1:59 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> Stanley Halpin wrote:
> 
> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e70e0fc7
> +
> 
> Very nice.
> 
> Malcolm
> 

Thanks Malcolm.

I must say I am intrigued by the responses from Bill, Bob W, and Alan. Reminded 
me of a sub-section of a multivariate-analysis statistics course I took many 
decades ago. The issue was how to systematically identify underlying common 
themes in various responses to a set of stimuli and then to apply the results 
in a classification process. (For the biologists in the room, there is some 
overlap here with numerical taxonomy.) In a class exercise we got together in 
teams of 2-3 persons and tried to sort a handful of assorted nuts and bolts and 
nails and screws and washers etc. Some brass, some stainless steel, some small, 
some larger, etc. From all of this emerged an understanding of how to use one 
form of question to discern perceived dimensionality and the relative 
importance of different dimensions. Simply ask persons to look at a set of four 
objects and say which is the different one. 

I did NOT have that in mind when I posted the Family Portrait! But there are 4 
cameras shown. Three from the film era, one digital. Three are relatively 
small, one is larger. Three are Pentax, one Leica. Three are SLR or DSLR, one 
is rangefinder. Three were sporting a 50mm lens, one with a 35mm. Bill, Bob W., 
and Alan all picked up on one or more of these differences but it is not clear 
which was the real defining difference they had in mind when making their 
comments. And I wonder if all three were reacting to the same aspect (I am 
guessing brand name) or if they were seeing different things. 

Just something to mull over while I am putting off the chore of getting the 
snow blower out from underneath the pile of tarps etc. in the back of the 
garage and clearing the driveway…

stan
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Re: ok guys , NOW you can wish me Happy birthday :-)

[Alex Sarbu]

Congratulations and happy birthday!

Alex

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 4:06 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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>
> Hoping for twenty more
>
> ann
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Re: OT: Diesels

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Bill  wrote:

> My questions all revolve around cold weather starting.
> What is considered cold for a Diesel?

Having used diesel buses for 9 years  answer is, it varies on the
engine. I found Internationals and Cat engines would start in -15 or
so with out trouble, Mercedes engines had to be helped along. Older
Internationals needed to be plugeed in around -5 or so.

> Should plugging in the block heater make a difference?
Yes plug it in.

> Can glow plugs be flakey?
Yes they can be flaky, our rule of thub was to cycle the glow plugs at
least 3-4 times before attempting to start iyt when it got to -5 or so
with out a plug in. Yes Wabasto heaters in the newer Internationals
and Thomas built buses are a god send but they break down a lot. I ran
mine off a timer set 30 min before i arrived at the bus.

Dave

>
> If there are any diesel wonks on the forum, your thoughts would be
> appreciated.
>
> thanks
>
> bill
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OT Prints

[David J Brooks]

I seem to be having trouble with printing from LR to my Epson 2400
again after the OS upgrade. It seems to only want to print 8x10 for
some reason. I have tried picking the 5x7 mode but it wants to print
larger for some reason. Print diolouge box had 8x10 as preset for some
reason, i rest to default, no luck.I believe i downloaded the Epson
updates so i may have to look into that. Minor frustrations
obviously.:-)

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