Re: GFM plans
On a serious note, don't you need a 35 mm camera for the contest? Yes, but some of us don't enter the contest. Bill
Re: GFM plans
What if the judges gave you one of the dishonorable mentions? Bill - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: GFM plans - Original Message - We're pros and artists. Contests are beneath us. Unless there's a really big prize. tv prizes are fine, but what I really want is my ego stroked and acceptance of my work by my peers! ;-) Christian
Re: Digital cameras - must have feature set
and tell that smelly old guy on the right that his beer belly is poking through the strained buttons on his shirt and could he please move his tie to cover it up Couldn't be me, I refuse to wear a tie. Bill
Fw: Bus to GFM
Tried to send this off list, but it bounced. Bill - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: Bus to GFM Hey Annsan, Just checked the Greyhound schedule and the arrival in Morganton would be about the same time we'll be coming through there on Wednesday, or I'd be glad to drive to Boone and pick you up on Thursday. http://www.greyhound.com/scripts/ticketcenter/Step3.asp http://www.greyhound.com/scripts/ticketcenter/step2.asp Bill
Re: Digital cameras - must have feature set
Well we'll just see whose meows the loudest at GFM 8-) Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Digital cameras - must have feature set As can the 550. The Optio S can meow. Bill - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Digital cameras - must have feature set Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want a camera that will not only talk but give me idle flattery after each shot. Great shot! Superb composition. I particularly like the balance of . . . Aren't there some digicams that will allow you to upload custom shutter sounds? No reason a click WAV file couldn't be replaced with one that goes Great shot! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Fw: Osprey photo, was Re: bird ID
Sent this a couple of hours ago but haven't seen it come through yet. If it has, sorry for the duplicate mail. Bill - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: Osprey photo, was Re: bird ID Photo of an osprey: http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=61 Bill - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: bird ID Can someone ID this guy for me? http://www.bigdayphoto.com/tom/images/hawk.jpg tv
Re: North Americans
As far as I'm concerned you can have it. Entirely too hot and humid for my tastes. Bill - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: Re: North Americans - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin Subject: Re: North Americans Don't tell me you guys are going to try that again! We want Florida. William Robb
Re: GFM plans
Moon rise Friday evening 4 June will be at 2256... Stan Darn, that means a shot I've been wanting to try for won't be available until 0200-0300, at which time I plan to be comfortably asleep. Bill
Re: GFM Update 3
June 4-6 officially, June 2-6 unofficially. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: Re: GFM Update 3 Whats the time frame on this outing again,please. Dave I'm not sure if this is the correct count...I may have lost the latest copy of this during the Computer Troubles. Anyway, I count 19 - TV (DC) Annsan (NY) Doug (KY) Bill (NC) Cesar (FL) Mark (PA) Rittenhouse (NC) Cotty (ENG) Stan (MO) ERN (TX) A pizza-eating lurker (GA) Jostein (NOR) Frank (CAN) Adelheid (GER) Tom Reese (NJ) Desjardins (VA) Bob S. (IL) Ed (AL) Bruce (CA) Jerome? Doug Franklin? Len? Herb? Cory Or Brenda (GA)? Christian (MD)? -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.thomasvanveen.com 301-758-3085
Re: I got an *ist (film)
I'm an old fart. Bill - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: I got an *ist (film) Speak for yourself Butch, I'm a geek! At 09:38 PM 2/3/04, Butch Black wrote: On 3/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: P.S. I've noticed while reading the list using the word 'enabled' makes you sound like a dork. No offense ;) How to make friends and influence people! Anyway, we're not dorks, we're camera dweebs :) Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian) I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: GFM plans
- Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:26 AM Subject: Re: GFM plans If push comes to shove, I could sleep in the car I'm driving or someone could. No, you're not. You're sleeping in either my or Cory's camper. Bill
Re: D70 and digital kills real cameras
Not necessarily the case. The recent National Geographic article on the history of aviation was shot totally digitally. Bill - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: Re: D70 and digital kills real cameras You have that one right, Bob. If you are still shooting film you are working for a monthly magazine.
Re: GFM plans
Well, okay then, here's our supply *ist D Optio S (now property of the wife MAYBE MZ-S The wife with her ZX-L Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: RE: GFM plans On 4/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I plan to bring my Sp500, MX, Mz-S, 645, and *istD. This way I can sit and complain about the right way to do photography with any group I find myself closest too (or has the most beer). Whew! A bit early to list equipment for GFM, but sounds fun so why not. Film: (for the contest) Pentax MX (black of course) Tokina 17mm 3.5 Tokina 90mm 2.5 macro Digital: (for me) D60 Smegma 14mm 2.8 (Maybe) Smegma 24mm 1.8 macro Tokina 28-70 2.8 PENTAX (yeah!) EOSK-50mm 1.2 Smegma 70-200mm 2.8 + 1.4X matched converter angle finder Manfrotto 190 and ballhead The D60 will be used as both lightmeter and polaroid preview for the MX ! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: D70 and digital kills real cameras
Sorry, but I don't subscribe, but I'm sure someone who will be at GFM does and will hopefully bring a copy. Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:50 PM Subject: Re: D70 and digital kills real cameras On 4/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: You have that one right, Bob. If you are still shooting film you are working for a monthly magazine. Not necessarily the case. The recent National Geographic article on the history of aviation was shot totally digitally. Bill And a beautiful job they did, also. To be honest, it didn't matter to me one jot whether it was film or digital - but it mattered to the Geographic - there was some shots that were grabbed right at the last minute and digital helped enormously. It was a damn good feature. Bill, see if you can remember to bring that copy along to GFM - I can see that being a nice topic of conversation ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: GFM plans
Will anyone have a spare tripod? I think that mine will add much too much weight to my luggage, it DOES fit into my suitcase (I take it away to Brisbane etc with me) and so I may have to dispense with some clothes *eek* if no-one has a spare! lol... Or maybe, I could just be like Stan and not shower for a few days and wear the same clothes! lol... I can bring an extra Bogen 3021 with pan head and one missing rubber foot. Film - I doubt that I will actually shoot much at all - maybe just a couple of rolls of Reala or NPH400, but I think it will be primarily a digital affair. I probably won't be entering the competition, I have never really shot slide film before and could end up with some very embarrassing results! ;-) No one need see them but you. You and you alone get them back on Sunday morning and decide which ones, if any, you wish to enter in the contest. The first 2 years I attended, I entered the contest. Then I found out how much more fun it was to relax and have fun than to run all over the mountain looking for something to photograph. Bill
Re: GFM plans
http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/_whatsnew.msnw Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: RE: GFM plans On 4/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: 645n FA45/2.8, FA75/2.8, FA120/4, A*300/4 K-mount LX (3-5), MX, MZ-S, K-1000?, ME-Super?, Super Program?, any requests? FA*24/2, FA Limited 31/1.8, K50/1.2, FA Limited 77/1.8, M200/4, A*300/4 Screwmount SV, S1a (2), SV, S3, Spotmatic SP SMC 28/3.5, S-T 35/3.5, S-T 50/1.4, S-T 85/1.9, SMC 85/1.8, SMC 105/2.8, S-T 135/2.5, SMC 200/4, Tele-Takumar 300/6.3 Holy cow! The guy's a mobile Ad-o-rama! Is this to shoot with or to show off? I would guess both ;-) any requests? Of course, I gotta see these danged snake-jobbies. I just realised that 'LX (3-5)' means you're bringing between 3 and 5 LXs? thud Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Digital Photography
Overall, mine are much better. Especially the indoor shots with ambient light due the ability to adjust the white balance to the current lighting conditions. Bill - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Digital Photography i seriously doubt any *istD owner here on PDML thinks they are getting fewer good pictures than they were with their film cameras. if anything, the majority report more and better pictures.
Re: more *ist D pricing news...
The only extended warranties I would consider would be for used vehicles and road hazard for new tires. Bill Extended warrantees are almost entirely profit. Especially in electronics.
Re: * ist Digital Question
Remember when the word gay meant happy? Bill Time can be as great a divide as space, too. The other day I re-read an Agatha Christie story which was set at a country house party (gosh!). One of the guests, being bored, apparently spent the afternoon lazily making love to his hostess in the conservatory.
Re: GFM plans
Probably a small laminated tag that you'll receive when you register. Bill - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: Re: GFM plans Bill, Will we need a permit to camp? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GFM Update 3
Add Norm (TX, I think) Bruce (CA) Bill - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: GFM Update 3 I'm not sure if this is the correct count...I may have lost the latest copy of this during the Computer Troubles. Anyway, I count 19 - TV (DC) Annsan (NY) Doug (KY) Bill (NC) Cesar (FL) Mark (PA) Rittenhouse (NC) Cotty (ENG) Stan (MO) ERN (TX) A pizza-eating lurker (GA) Jostein (NOR) Frank (CAN) Adelheid (GER) Tom Reese (NJ) Desjardins (VA) Bob S. (IL) Ed (AL) Bruce (CA) Jerome? Doug Franklin? Len? Herb? Cory Or Brenda (GA)? Christian (MD)? -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.thomasvanveen.com 301-758-3085
Re: GFM plans
Where are you flying to? I may have room for one on Wednesday from Charlotte if you don't mind ~100 miles with 3 in the front seat of a pickup. If the wife is working, she'll be arriving Friday evening and you could ride with her. Is Erin coming with you? With her talent she might well place in the contest. Bill - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: GFM plans The check is in the mail. Now I need to lay my plans for getting there. I'll be flying out of Sacramento. Anyone going have room for a passenger? Thanks, Bruce
Re: GFM plans
Probably 1/4 to 1/3 camp. The closest motel is the Pixie Inn and the bottom of the mountain, next closest would be the Holiday Inn in Banner Elk about 15 miles, then several in Boone about 25 miles. I've regular attendee has advised that motel prices are unusually high this year. I haven't checked, but this may possibly be due to graduation at Appalachian State University. Fees are explained here: http://www.grandfather.com/events/nphoto.htm Probably the best value for your money on the planet. Bill - Original Message - From: Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: Re: GFM plans Couple of quick questions - do most people camp or is the a motel close? what's the entrance fee? Norm Bill Owens wrote: Where are you flying to? I may have room for one on Wednesday from Charlotte if you don't mind ~100 miles with 3 in the front seat of a pickup. If the wife is working, she'll be arriving Friday evening and you could ride with her. Is Erin coming with you? With her talent she might well place in the contest.
Re: GFM plans
Yeah, but I'm pretty skinny. Don't take up much room. vbg (that ~is~ me you're talking about, right, Bill? Are we coming in on Wed? I think so...). Wednesday is the plan right now. And I can take up any room you don't use :-) Great to here you're coming, Bruce! Really looking forward to meeting you (and everyone else). I'm REALLY looking forward to this. I don't have any definite numbers, but looks like at least 15-20 PDML'ers attending, maybe more!!! Oh yeah, that contest. I'm gonna have to educate those so-called judges. Out Of Focus, blurry nature shots! No one does those (yet). vbg I entered the contest my first 2 years, but then realized it was more fun not having to rush around finding something to photograph. I may even leave the MZ-S at home and just take the *ist D and Optio S. Oh, I'll also have the laptop and Epson 925 printer there. Bill
Re: OT: Bambi Meets Godzilla - was: February Pug
Sounds like Wheatfield's bazooka carrying prairie dogs. Bill - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: Re: OT: Bambi Meets Godzilla - was: February Pug I'm not, picture Bambi meet Godzilla. Arm Bambi to the teeth, crossed bandoleers, pistol belt rifle slung around his neck, bazooka balanced on his back wearing a British WWI/WWII helmet in mortal combat with Godzilla... The result, I'll leave to your imagination. The animation style is the same, so I think they were produced by the same artists. At 03:57 PM 2/1/04, you wrote: On 1/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Don't forget The Revenge of Bambi. You are kidding me. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: My Notebook Problems
Hi, Saturday, January 31, 2004, 12:27:59 AM, you wrote: My notebook, which is less than 6 months old, loaded with Windoze XP, has gotten to the point where it will not restart from standby or hibernate. The resuming Windows screen appears, the bar goes all the way to the right, then the machine locks up and I have to turn it off and back on with the power switch. Any ideas? sacrifice a virgin. The only virgins in North Carolina are visitors! :-) Bill
Re: D - Not Pentax but an interesting digital save...
Absolutely great save. IMO, one of the nicest benefits of shooting digital. Now, if I could only get the *ist D to not underexpose with the AF360FGZ. Bill - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: D - Not Pentax but an interesting digital save... Ok, so you all know that I'm not shooting digital with Pentax, but this is particularly relevant to all digital users. Just wanted to show you something that I have just worked on from the wedding I did on Monday. This was a GROSSLY underexposed image. Definitely one for the reject pile, but something about the expressions on their faces wouldn't let me ditch it. So, thanks to digital, I was able to save it... What do you all think of the results? The full res. file has some grain, as you would expect being underexposed, so I just added a bit more for effect... http://www.tanyamayer.com/experiment.jpg
My Notebook Problems
My notebook, which is less than 6 months old, loaded with Windoze XP, has gotten to the point where it will not restart from standby or hibernate. The resuming Windows screen appears, the bar goes all the way to the right, then the machine locks up and I have to turn it off and back on with the power switch. Any ideas? Bill
Re: Best pix of 2003
Exactly, does every photo have to have meaning or give insight? Some are just pretty pictures, nice to look at, maybe a brief pictorial glimpse of the world the photog saw and wanted to share. Finally, someone who shares my philosophy!!! Thanks Rob
Re: Any PMA rumors?
Stephen Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the sake of newer list members, the revised PDML FAQ probably should address the meaning of WW ;-) Willy Wonka? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com Or Wiley Willie? Bill
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
But have you checked out the previous link? Some really nice shots of eagles there. Bill - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Încredible eagle shot!!! http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)
Doesn't everyone have a delete key to delete those they don't want to read. Bill - Original Message - From: alex wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2) On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Dr E D F Williams wrote: Labelling the subject in some simple way would not only help people like me to eliminate unwanted posts -- but an F: for film would help select the desirable ones as well. If the task becomes too laborious, as it often does, I may sacrifice all and lose valuable exchanges as a result. Is that what you want? Don't you care if your messages are read or not? Many members, Boris for instance, get a lot from PDML and he is a lively contributor -- I don't know where he finds the time. There are others like him. Easy identification of the subject might help them as well. I think it would be more effective to split the list into sublists. Off the top of my head I would recommend these 6 lists (perhaps with shorter names): pentax-screwmount - discussion of M42 screwmount lenses and cameras pentax-kmount-film - discussion of K-mount film cameras and lenses pentax-kmount-digital - discussion of K-mount digital cameras and lenses pentax-general-photography - discussion of general photographic topics and critiques of photographs pentax-medium-format - 645 and 67 camera discussion pentax-off-topic - all of the other stuff that has nothing to do with photography that often consumes 50% or more of the list traffic. There is a little overlap on k-mount lenses (they can go under the film or digital section), but I think that is appropriate. People with digital Pentax SLRs often have different requirements for lenses than those with film SLRs due to the crop factor and some of the issues that only come up with digital. Plus there are digital only lenses now like the DA 16-45/4. There might be room for a 7th list to talk about PS cameras, but that isn't a very popular topic on here. You don't want to fragement lists too much because the less used ones tend to die anyway. Given that a different split might make more sense: pentax-35mm - All 35mm film Pentax cameras pentax-digital - All pentax digital cameras pentax-medium-format - All Pentax medium format cameras pentax-off-topic pentax-photography I would love to see such a split. Currently I find it impossible to keep up with this list because there is so much off topic banter. If the lists were split this way I'd join pentax-digital and pentax-photography. alex
Re: As usual: photo advise sought
Just goes to show that different folks have different tastes. You can probably get as many opinions as people that comment. Bill - Original Message - From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Re: As usual: photo advise sought Funny, I cropped it on the right side and on the top, and thought I would have liked a bit more of that sink... :-) Lasse From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Needs cropping on the left side. The sink is distracting. Bill - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: As usual: photo advise sought Now, I feel bad. I did not think I was criticizing Boris's photos. He aked, I though, for help in improving his photography in the future. I thought I addressed that very thoroughly in fact giving what amounted to a free class in advanced photo techniques. Now it seems that all that I should have done was say, Very nice. I guess, I wonder, does anyone apperciate my efforts here? Or should I just figure all folks are doing, in cases like this thread, is sharing their snapshots and shut up? Well, I will share one of my snap shots. It is related to this thread because it is an indoor flash shot. I scanned it to see whether it was worth retouching the scratches. Scanned from a 8x10 work print, and downsized for the web. The print is a bit more contrasty than the jpeg. http://www.graywolfphoto.com/presscameras/temp.html -- Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Bill, And I agree as well. Only thing is, Boris keeps asking what everyone else thinks, and there are a lot of opinions here, including the opinion to not pay attention to other opinions LOL Bill Owens wrote: I agree whole heartedly with Lon. Unless you're shooting for pay, shoot to suit yourself and to hell with anyone else's opinion. If you're happy with your results, it shouldn't matter what someone else thinks. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: OT: Official Invitation to TOPDML Members!
Does this mean that if I fly up there in May, you buy? :-) Bill I'll tell you what, Brendan: You fly here for Friday, I buy your drinks.
Re: AMENDMENT TO: OT: Official Invitation to TOPDML Members!
Frank I will be coming from Gastonia, so we can stock up before we leave. Bill - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: Re: AMENDMENT TO: OT: Official Invitation to TOPDML Members! I have just one, little problem, Frank. You keep offering to buy everybody drinks at Grand Father Mountain. The problem is where do you think you are going to buy them? GFM is in one of those strange southern places called a dry county. That means they do not sell alcoholic beverages there. Now it is not far to a wet county but you have to know which way to go. GFM is definately BYOB. (Written as a friendly jibe at Frank, but really intended as a heads up to everyone planning on coming to GFM in June.) -- frank theriault wrote: You want free booze, come to GFM (where I'm buying everyone drinks)vbg -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: AMENDMENT TO: OT: Official Invitation to TOPDML Members!
- Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: Re: AMENDMENT TO: OT: Official Invitation to TOPDML Members! I have just one, little problem, Frank. You keep offering to buy everybody drinks at Grand Father Mountain. The problem is where do you think you are going to buy them? GFM is in one of those strange southern places called a dry county. That means they do not sell alcoholic beverages there. Now it is not far to a wet county but you have to know which way to go. GFM is definately BYOB. (Written as a friendly jibe at Frank, but really intended as a heads up to everyone planning on coming to GFM in June.) -- frank theriault wrote: You want free booze, come to GFM (where I'm buying everyone drinks)vbg -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Florida in January
64 degrees F here today, and ice storm with high of 32F expected for tomorrow. Here's what the National Weather Service is saying: NCZ048-053-065072-082-SCZ003-006009-012014-250330- BUNCOMBE NC-CABARRUS NC-CHEROKEE SC-CHESTER SC-CLEVELAND NC- GASTON NC-GREATER GREENVILLE SC-GREENVILLE MOUNTAINS SC-HENDERSON NC- LAURENS SC-LINCOLN NC-MADISON NC-MECKLENBURG NC-POLK NC- RUTHERFORD NC-SPARTANBURG SC-UNION SC-UNION NC-YORK SC- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ASHEVILLE...CHARLOTTE...CHESTER... COLUMBUS...CONCORD...GAFFNEY...GASTONIA...GREENVILLE... HENDERSONVILLE...LAURENS...LINCOLNTON...MARSHALL...MONROE... ROCK HILL...RUTHERFORDTON...SHELBY...SPARTANBURG...UNION AND YORK 327 PM EST SAT JAN 24 2004 ...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO MIDNIGHT SUNDAY... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN GREENVILLE-SPARTANBURG HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING. MIXED AREAS OF SNOW...SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN WILL BE DEVELOPING DURING THE LATE NIGHT HOURS AND CONTINUE THROUGH THE DAY ON SUNDAY. AS THE DAY WEARS ON SUNDAY...FROZEN PRECIPITATION WILL EVENTUALLY CHANGE TO AREAS OF RAIN AND FREEZING RAIN. AN ACCUMULATION OF SNOW AND/OR SLEET IS PROBABLE WITH DAMAGING ICE ACCUMULATION LIKELY AS WELL. THE WEIGHT OF THE ICE MAY BE ENOUGH TO FELL TREES AND KNOCK DOWN POWER LINES. PEOPLE IN THE WARNING AREA SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR A LOSS OF POWER.
Re: I did it.
The camera comes with a USB cable, and no the instruction manual does not explain the upgrade process. It's pretty simple though and can be done by downloading the upgrade to a CF card from your computer, and then uploading it to the camera. Drop me an email off list if you need help, but I don't think you will. Bill - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 5:42 AM Subject: Re: I did it. Thanks, will do. Does the instruction manual explains the upgrade process? Does the camera come with a USB or firewire cable? On Jan 22, 2004, at 10:13 PM, Bill Owens wrote: Paul, When it arrives, make sure it has the firmware upgrade. Since the upgrade has only been available for a week or so, it's probably going to have Version 1.0 installed. Bill - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I did it. Thanks Bill. I'm looking forward to getting out to Kensington with my 400/5.6, which will now have the field of view of a 600. Should be fun. Paul On Jan 22, 2004, at 9:47 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote: It's a brave new world, Paul. Congratulations. -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 22, 2004 9:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I did it. Well, I sold about $1200 worth of screwmount lenses in the last few days along with my Spotmatic Motor Drive, so I ordered an *ist D. My local camera store, which I truly appreciate, wanted $1599. BH wanted $1345. It was a no brainer. I also ordered the Lexar 1 gig CF card and a card reader for my computer. I figure I'll need more cards at some point, but at least I can get started. A couple of months ago I was sure that I would wait for a 10 megapixel digital before buying, but I eventually came to realize I had a lot of equipment that I not only didn't use -- I didn't even look at it very often. Now I figure my second digital body will be that 10 megapixel camera. The *ist D will do nicely for now. Yeah, I'm going to miss some of my beautiful screw mount lenses. To my mind there is nothing in the photographic universe that is anywhere near as nice as those fluted metal barrels. But they were probably not happy being stored in air tight bags in the back of a dark closet. (Cesar got the best piece of screw mount glass I owned, -- the SMC 85/1.8 . List member Bernd Scheffler got another of the great ones -- the 120/2.8. So some of my good screw mount glass is still in the PDML family. ) I have saved a half dozen very nice M42 lenses, and I can still fondle now and then, so the separation isn't total. But it's time to move on. I'm looking forward to exploring the world of digital with my very modern manual focus K lenses vbg. Paul Stenquist (No longer a fondler)
Re: does anyone have experience with high speed freezing the action photograp...
Probably an air rifle pellet would still be in the barrel if you used a this method. Bill I'd have thought a fairly simple switch activated mechanically by the movement of the trigger would be a lot easier. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: Researching which media to use for my new *ist D
You're probably right, but I've had no problems with either pre-set white balance or manual white balance. Bill There is a big point to RAW besides extra resolution that you might get from avoiding compression artificacts. RAW saves 12 bits of data per pixel (instead of 8) and the data hasn't been run through the white balance or exposure code yet. As a result you can make sweeping white balance changes and better exposure changes than you can make to a JPEG file. alex
Re: Kodak examining pro-usage of film too?
would you want to use movie film in your 35mm film camera? Herb A lot of people did! Remember Seattle Film Works? Bill
My MBA suggestion, was Re: The decline and fall of (Kodak) film
Graywolf asked and answered: . Have I ever mentioned my opinion of MBA's? Of course I have. Perhaps they would listen if you had a viable suggestion. Lewis Okay, here's a suggestion for you MBA's out there. Put more emphasis on customer service and employee appreciation, instead of the bottom line and you'll still turn a profit. Bill
Re: Researching which media to use for my new *ist D
I have 2 256Mb CF cards, and have never filled one up in an evening of shooting. I also don't use the camera for downloading image, I use a card reader. Bill - Original Message - From: lazarus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Researching which media to use for my new *ist D Hello, I'm about a week or two away from ordering my *ist D and I've got another question for the group. Simply said, which Media is preferred by you guys: A. The MicroDrives, if so which brand as I've seen and IBM and maybe one other. OR B. CF, I've seen that these have some of Accelaration feature which the *ist D has support for. I've seen a few specs on the Microdrive claiming 45mb/sec and 9mb/sec on the CF cards with accelaration. I'd prefer to have the larger capacity item as I'd rather not have to deal with downloads in the middle of a party or while I'm out on the boat/lake. However, I'm wondering how this affects battery life on the camera since initially I'm not getting the grip since I've heard so many things about battery issues. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Rod
Re: Researching which media to use for my new *ist D
Bet you were shooting RAW. I shoot max jpg. Bill - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Researching which media to use for my new *ist D On 22 Jan 2004 at 17:32, Bill Owens wrote: I have 2 256Mb CF cards, and have never filled one up in an evening of shooting. I also don't use the camera for downloading image, I use a card reader. Har, I filled a 2GB card last night in an hour. Changing CF cards in the *ist D in the dark is not fun (tipping and catching the card was not an option). Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: I did it.
Paul, When it arrives, make sure it has the firmware upgrade. Since the upgrade has only been available for a week or so, it's probably going to have Version 1.0 installed. Bill - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: I did it. Thanks Bill. I'm looking forward to getting out to Kensington with my 400/5.6, which will now have the field of view of a 600. Should be fun. Paul On Jan 22, 2004, at 9:47 PM, Bill Sawyer wrote: It's a brave new world, Paul. Congratulations. -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 22, 2004 9:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I did it. Well, I sold about $1200 worth of screwmount lenses in the last few days along with my Spotmatic Motor Drive, so I ordered an *ist D. My local camera store, which I truly appreciate, wanted $1599. BH wanted $1345. It was a no brainer. I also ordered the Lexar 1 gig CF card and a card reader for my computer. I figure I'll need more cards at some point, but at least I can get started. A couple of months ago I was sure that I would wait for a 10 megapixel digital before buying, but I eventually came to realize I had a lot of equipment that I not only didn't use -- I didn't even look at it very often. Now I figure my second digital body will be that 10 megapixel camera. The *ist D will do nicely for now. Yeah, I'm going to miss some of my beautiful screw mount lenses. To my mind there is nothing in the photographic universe that is anywhere near as nice as those fluted metal barrels. But they were probably not happy being stored in air tight bags in the back of a dark closet. (Cesar got the best piece of screw mount glass I owned, -- the SMC 85/1.8 . List member Bernd Scheffler got another of the great ones -- the 120/2.8. So some of my good screw mount glass is still in the PDML family. ) I have saved a half dozen very nice M42 lenses, and I can still fondle now and then, so the separation isn't total. But it's time to move on. I'm looking forward to exploring the world of digital with my very modern manual focus K lenses vbg. Paul Stenquist (No longer a fondler)
Re: rechargeable NiMH batteries, ist-D and last night
I've shot 300-400 frames on a set on 2000 Mah NiMH and still had them showing good. There are times though, that they LCD will show dead, but turning the camera off and back on resets it to full. I think it has something to do with the current draw when transferring from the buffer to the CF card. Bill - Original Message - From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: rechargeable NiMH batteries, ist-D and last night Yesterday I attended a friend's wedding. I took along the D and a couple of lenses and flash. I was pretty much in snap-shooter mode taking pictures of my ex-coworkers, friends, the wife, etc. and having a grand old time. At the beginning of the event I decided to replace an old set of Lithium AAs for a set of Sunpak rechargeable NiMHs. I had just charged them so they were very fresh. 20 frames later (I was using AF, the camera was set for 3sec review and every few shots I would hit the play button to show someone a goofy picture) the batteries were dead. Luckily, one of my wacky friends had a huge pack of AA alkalines in his car. I put a set in and shot another 70 frames or so during the night. They are still in the camera going strong. What's the deal with the NiMHs? Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rechargeable NiMH batteries, ist-D and last night
Hey Rob, I ended up with 4 sets. They work great in my AF360FGZ too :-) Bill - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:49 PM Subject: Re: rechargeable NiMH batteries, ist-D and last night On 18 Jan 2004 at 22:39, Bill Owens wrote: I've shot 300-400 frames on a set on 2000 Mah NiMH and still had them showing good. There are times though, that they LCD will show dead, but turning the camera off and back on resets it to full. I think it has something to do with the current draw when transferring from the buffer to the CF card. I'm with Bill, my 2100mAh batteries last ages, I made the mistake of buying three sets, they last so long I could have easily survived on only two. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re:
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:41 PM Set the camera mode to manual, then use the aperture ring to set your aperture. Press the green button behind the shutter release. The lens then stops down to the chosen aperture for about 1/2 second and the shutter speed is set for that particular aperture. Press the shutter release to take the picture. Bill Could someone please explain how the *istD fix for K/M lenses works? I dont see how it is possible to fully support the K/M lense's metering and aperture priority modes if there is no aperture cam sensor in the camera. JCO -- -- J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -- --
Re: K/M on *istD
While I VERY seldom use AE with film, I have several ES/ESII cameras that offer ON THE FLY aperture priority AE WITHOUT having to stop down, even with SCREWMOUNT Pentax lenses that I use. That is 1972 technology and better than the *istD fix IMHO. It takes less than one second for the *istD to set the shutter speed. While I am not using a DSLR at this point, I THINK my preferred exposure method would be AE with autobracketing continous, not 1-shot stopped down AE... JCO I don't think the 1972 technology allows for autobracketing. Bill
Re: Another Show
Congratulations Frank. Another thing he said he does, is often when he has musicians play there, he'll feature one of the artists as well, have the artist there, sort of introduce him/her to the crowd, that sort of thing. He said that a several sales have been a direct result of that sort of thing. Does this mean free beer? :-) Bill
Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie
- Original Message - From: lazarus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Pentax *ist D question from a newbie Thanks folks for getting me straightened out here... My terminology is weak so I appreciate being corrected on not using the word exposure in reference to the smart modes. Also, I'm glad to see that it doesn't sound like I'll have too steep of a learning curve in dealing with the lack of Smart modes. This had me a bit concerned. A few other questions for you guys... 1. Do my remotes (wired and wireless) for my ZX-7 work with the *istD? I love the wireless remote when taking group pictures so that I can include myself! Your wireless remote will work with the *istD, the wired, I'm not sure, but I think not. 2. Has anyone had experience with the battery grip? I have one for my ZX-7 and love it. It gives the camera a bit of extra weight which helps in keeping the camera steady along with making it bigger and easier to hold. With the battery life being as long as it is, and considering the ability to use AA NiMh batteries in the camera, I've decided not to purchase the grip. On the *istD the battery grip is more of a personal preference than with the MZ/ZX cameras. For my use, the vertical release isn't worth the excess cost, whereas for others it may be Bill
Re: ID a photo; Settle an Argument
This would be close for a cochlear implant. My mother had one in the early 70's and they were pretty rare even then. Bill - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:26 PM Subject: OT: ID a photo; Settle an Argument Someone here must know this: In the early 60's (maybe '61?) Life Magazine published a famous photo of a boy hearing for the first time. The look of joy and astonishment on his face is unbelievable. My roomate and I are at loggerheads. She says he's hearing for the first time due to a new hearing aid. I say that yes, he was wearing a hearing aid, but the ability to hear is due to a cochlear implant. Can anyone recall the photographer? The issue of Life? (Most importantly) Whether I'm right? I've tried googling this, to no avail. tanx, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Trip to GFM
I just returned from a trip to GFM and thought I'd share this one with you. It was taken about 50 feet from the entrance to the picnic area where camping is permitted during the Nature Photo Weekend. http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=60 Bill
Re: Trip to GFM
Oh, deer! ;-) Nice one, Bill. BTW what is GFM? It's the PDML acronym for Grandfather Mountain, North Carolina, where some of us attend a Nature Photo seminar the first full weekend after Memorial Day. This year looks to be the largest concentration of PDML'ers ever assembled in one place at one time. http://www.grandfather.com/events/nphoto.htm Bill
Re: Trip to GFM
Thanks, Frank. It was the best of 6, shot with the 28-105 PZ on the ist D at 105. They were only about 50 or 60 feet away from us, and were shot from inside a vehicle. Bill - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: RE: Trip to GFM Nice shot, Bill! -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Trip to GFM Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:51:37 -0500 I just returned from a trip to GFM and thought I'd share this one with you. It was taken about 50 feet from the entrance to the picnic area where camping is permitted during the Nature Photo Weekend. http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID =60 Bill _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: *ist D image noise examples
It does go to 3200. It's custom function page 1, line 4. Bill - Original Message - From: Mr. William M Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: Re: *ist D image noise examples An interesting comparison chart . . . but there is one problem: The ist D doesn't do ISO 3200 and yet they are reporting values for it. Shouldn't they be reporting 3200 as N/A? A quick scan of the text doesn't indicate why. IL Bill P.S. I'm not trying to argue that the ist D has lest noise than the competition, I'm just questioning the last set of data on those graphs. On Sunday, January 11, 2004, at 01:54 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: see: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistd/page13.asp Regards, Jens
Re: OT Stanstead, was: Unusual subjects to photograph.
Nearly all of the increase in air miles is by internal flights. Well, the road and rail network has gone to hell on a handcart and will cost billions to sort. Airport expansion is the quick cheap fix - a *bit* of land around the airports and journey times are kept low. The numbers travelling means that even if we had a good rail network, they would struggle on price alone now. Sad to note that a lot of the land for airports is still used as car parking, as despite direct rail links to Stanstead, everyone wants the car. Here in the USA, airport parking lots are an airport's largest source of income. Bill
Re: firmware update
I walked right into that one, didn't I :-) Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: Re: firmware update Hey Bill, I'm eating. Right after I go take a few shots with USM and IS ;-) Yeah, C and N users, eat your hearts out! 8-) Ain't that a kick! LOL Bill Owens wrote: Seems to me that the ist D is now basically compatible with all past lenses. Bill Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Firmware 1.10 and M lens
My guess is that this is a warning that if you change either the aperture or shutter speed, the green button needs to be pressed again. Think I'll go out and shoot some with the Vivitar S1 70-210. Bill My only confusion is that the associated paperwork on how to use HyM still warns about a possible exposure error. p. 129 in the book essentially repeats this warning. I guess I just don't see the problem. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firmware 1.1 good but not perfect :-( [wishlist for 1.2]
The things I would like to have fixed : When lens ring not at A, to have the aperture value displayed, instead of -- Can you not remember what f-stop you set manually? Bill
Re: Solution to Pentax eyecup loss
I used a blue rubber band to match the blue icons on the ist D 8-) Bill For optimal aesthetics with black cameras, go to an eletronic components shop and ask for a black rubber drive belt as close as possible to the desired size. -- ,_ /_) /| / / i e t e r/ |/ a g e l
Re: version 1.1
That is probably normal. What should change is shutter speed. Bill - Original Message - From: Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: Re: version 1.1 I assume the update is only for MSMC-M and SMC lenses, not for A If you want to use the lens off the A position, you need to set that in the menu. AT least in V1.00, I assume that didn't change. On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 22:59, Tom Lesser wrote: Now, with the lens off A, putting the camera into manual and pressing the green button will give the correct shutter speed. I've just installed v1.1 and have tried several A lenses in off A apertures and when I press the green button in Manual, all I get is a flashing Av-- in the LCD panel. In fact, I get the flashing Av-- whether the mode is set to P, Tv, Av, M or B. Any help out there? Yes, the upgrade installation appears to have been successful ... when I hold down the Menu button and switch the camera ON, its says Version 1.1. Thanks. Tom Lesser -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Just got my ist D
Just got my ist D , now all I have to do is work out how to use it. Quick question my power zoom doesn't seem to work on it, is this correct. Yes, the ist D does not have the power zoom contacts First impressions are good, though a better camera strap would have been good. No trouble getting the CF card in or out. Just have to work out if I have any other incompatible lens. Might be selling some on e bay soon. Regards Charles
Re: There is some pentax news in http://www.dpreview.com/
Mine is updated :-) Bill - Original Message - From: Ramesh Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: There is some pentax news in http://www.dpreview.com/ As expected there is some pentax news at http://www.dpreview.com/news/0401/04010901pentaxistdfw11.asp __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
Re: version 1.1
Sounds like K to me. Anyway, is there anything different between the way the K and the M lenses work that might cause the istD to reject one and not the other? Not that I know of, but I'm not an expert, quite the opposite This is pretty good news indeed ;-)) Yes indeed, makes my M macro, Vivitar Series 1 70-210 3.5 (hey, only 1/2 stop slower that an 80-200 2.8 and a lot less expensive!), and Zenit 16mm fisheye all compatible Bill
Re: Firmware 1.10 and M lens
OK, now for the $64,000 question: Once the ap and shutter speed have been set, will the camera remember them for subsequent exposures until it's reset, or does the green button routine have to be implemented for each exposure? It remembers them until reset. If you change the aperture value, you have to press the green button again. Bill
16mm Zenit, was Re: version 1.1
Shel, to make you even sadder, since the ist D only uses the center of the image circle, the distortion is considerably reduced. It's still obvious, but not quite as severe. Bill - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: Re: version 1.1 Now I'm disappointed that I sold my 16mm Zenit ;- Yes indeed, makes my M macro, Vivitar Series 1 70-210 3.5 (hey, only 1/2 stop slower that an 80-200 2.8 and a lot less expensive!), and Zenit 16mm fisheye all compatible
firmware update
Seems to me that the ist D is now basically compatible with all past lenses. Bill
Re: version 1.1
It only works in manual mode with basically aperture priority. Set the aperture, press the green button and you've got the correct shutter speed for center weighted metering (matrix is not available except on A lenses. As long as the light is constant, the setting is fine, but does not automatically change if the light does. In that case, press the green button again. It takes less than 1 second for the camera to compute the correct shutter speed. Bill - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:14 AM Subject: Re: version 1.1 The release mentions HyperManual mode, but doesn't specify aperture priority. If I stop an M or K lens down and press the green button, will this give a correct shutter speed in both manual and aperture priority modes? If it works for aperture priority, will the shutter speed vary with the light, or do I need to press the green button each time I want to meter the scene? chris On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Bill Owens wrote: It says M lenses, doesn't mention K. It's basically aperture priority with the added step of pressing the green button. When it's pressed, the lens stops down to the selected aperture, the shutter speed is selected, and the lens opens back up. Pressing the shutter release then takes the photo at the selected settings. I now no longer have to use an external meter with my M lens, and get center weighted metering from the camera. Bill - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: version 1.1 Just for clarification: does this upgrade mean that K and M lenses are useable in aperture priority mode, or stopped down? William Robb wrote: Friends, we have improved K-mount compatability. Now, with the lens off A, putting the camera into manual and pressing the green button will give the correct shutter speed. EV comp im manual is a nice touch. The ist D camera just got a whole lot better. William Robb
Re: firmware update
Yeah, C and N users, eat your hearts out! 8-) Ain't that a kick! LOL Bill Owens wrote: Seems to me that the ist D is now basically compatible with all past lenses. Bill
Re: A couple of istD questions
When using RAW or TIFF, can the camera record a JPEG as well? No, it can only do one format at a time Is this automatic or can it be controlled, and can the size of the JPEG be controlled in either case? Yes, via the control dial on the top left. How long does it take the camera to be ready to shoot after first being turned on? About 1 second Tks! You're certainly welcome
Re: version 1.1
Seems to work fine. Bill - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:30 AM Subject: Re: version 1.1 I now no longer have to use an external meter with my M lens, and get center weighted metering from the camera. Or even matrix metering with Mark Roberts' low-cost mount modification or Michel Carrere-Gee do-it-yourself Kapton taping. That would be great. Has anyone actually tried this now (with v.1.1)? Fred
Re: My Meager wedding experience (Was: Cheap bastards? -was: Down off my high-horse... with a thump.)
I don't, and won't, be the official photographer at a wedding. Since the only weddings we attend are those of friends and relatives, my wedding gift is a set of candids. I always clear what I'm doing with the pro, get his/her okay, and do my best to stay out of their way. I usually know most of the people attending and, for candids, often have a better idea of who/what to look for, and am therefore able to get shots the pro may have missed. Bill
Re: cable release
AFAIK, there are currently different cable releases for Pentax cameras. The latest only fits the *ist, *ist D, and ZX-L Bill - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:56 AM Subject: Re: cable release mapson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the current cable release for *istD [CS-205] is different from the old cables for the 35mm cameras. Apart from the jack connection and the looks, is the rest the same or different? IMHO cable switch is just that. Why change then? I do not think there is an awful amount of electronics in the new one. I think it wasn't a smart move for a company that has a reasonably record of being backward-compatible with their equipment. Plus for me the old one seems to be handier to use ;-D Since getting an infrared remote for my MZ-S I've never had the slightest desire for a cable release. I hear it works with the *ist-D, too. How's that for backwards compatibility? ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Ergonomics of *istD
- Original Message - From: mapson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Ergonomics of *istD * central hotshoe - unables use of rtf and external flash This is not a problem using the AF360 in wireless mode anything else? Return to the strap with the pockets for the flash shoe cover, eyepiece cover and IR remote. Bill
Re: cable release
I'd better start proof reading closer. That should state there are currently 3 different Bill - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:01 AM Subject: Re: cable release AFAIK, there are currently different cable releases for Pentax cameras. The latest only fits the *ist, *ist D, and ZX-L Bill - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:56 AM Subject: Re: cable release mapson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the current cable release for *istD [CS-205] is different from the old cables for the 35mm cameras. Apart from the jack connection and the looks, is the rest the same or different? IMHO cable switch is just that. Why change then? I do not think there is an awful amount of electronics in the new one. I think it wasn't a smart move for a company that has a reasonably record of being backward-compatible with their equipment. Plus for me the old one seems to be handier to use ;-D Since getting an infrared remote for my MZ-S I've never had the slightest desire for a cable release. I hear it works with the *ist-D, too. How's that for backwards compatibility? ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: ist-D multi-exposure (was:Re: My first *ist D gallery)
Although not necessarily related to increasing dynamic range, here are a couple of links to an interesting program. I've not tried this particular one, but their PT Assembler is good. http://www.tawbaware.com/maxlyons/cgi-bin/image.pl?gallery=8 http://www.tawbaware.com/imgstack.htm Bill - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: Re: ist-D multi-exposure (was:Re: My first *ist D gallery) On 6 Jan 2004 at 8:52, Christian wrote: My sister gave me the National Geographic Digital Photography Field Guide. In it the author, Rob Sheppard, describes how to use two exposures of the same scene to expose for the highlights and shadows more effectively. Obviously, a tripod and static subject are necessary. I have not tried it, but intend to at some point.
Re: GFM Panoramic
Thanks, Charles I was hoping to duplicate Mr. Morton's shot of Charlotte, but not quite clear enough Saturday. I've been wanting to try a panoramic landscape using PT Assembler, so I took advantage of the clear air to give it a try. Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Braswell Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: Re: GFM Panoramic Nice shot Bill. I know the weather was great for January! Charles
Re: GFM Panoramic
That is making me long to be there sooner than June You should see the 8x34 print! Though it is probably a bit rough up there in the winter! It can be, but it's North Carolina's skiing area, so the roads usually get cleared pretty quick. Bill
Re: Cropping Heads
Also add another o to to. Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Cropping Heads On 5/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Sorry, but I gotta do it, I gotta quote one of my hero's again here, Jenloup Sieff: I make picture for myself, if someone else likes them, to bad!! One day I am going to learn to proofread. Strike the apostrophe and add an 'e' in heroes, and add an 'a' in Jeanloup. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: PUG January is open
But he did take a lesson from Dan Quayle. No e on potato. Bill - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:47 AM Subject: Re: PUG January is open If you are eating stakes graywolf, you'd wanna watch out for those blasted splinters - at least you won't be short on toothpicks though... ;-) Sorry, couldn't help myself, nasty aren't I to play on a typo?!?! tan. graywolf wrote: Ah yes, the 4 basic food groups: pizza, beer, stake, potatos.
Re: PUG January is open
That would be a homonym. Bill - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:17 AM Subject: RE: PUG January is open Steak and stake ain't a typo or a mispelling now is it? Theres a term for words that sound the same but are spelled and mean different things but it escapes me at the moment... I am guilty of all three types of mistakes from time to time. JCO -- -- J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -- -- -Original Message- From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PUG January is open If you are eating stakes graywolf, you'd wanna watch out for those blasted splinters - at least you won't be short on toothpicks though... ;-) Sorry, couldn't help myself, nasty aren't I to play on a typo?!?! tan. graywolf wrote: Ah yes, the 4 basic food groups: pizza, beer, stake, potatos.
GFM Panoramic
The wife and I went to GFM yesterday for lunch. I went on up to the top and took these shots with the *ist D. There are 8 images stitched together using PT Assembler in the final. It looks pretty good printed on Epson 8 inch wide roll paper and 34 inches long: http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=59 Bill
Re: New Year's Resolution
It's 366 dpy for 2004 :-) Bill - Original Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mine is 3600 dpi Thankyouverymuch :-P Your welcome. I think I'll settle for 365 dpy... Jostein :-)
Re: PUG January is open
Are you running Zone Alarm Pro? I had the same problem and the fix was somewhere in the ZA settings. Bill - Original Message - From: Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:38 AM Subject: RE: PUG January is open I haven't been able to view the PUG for the last few months. I get no pictures. Only the names of the folks that submitted pictures. I assume that means I have too much security running on my system and it's treating the pictures like popup ads, or somesuch. IE 6 and NS 7 both have same results. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Adelheid v. K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PUG January is open Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:12:29 +0100 Hi *, the January PUG is ready to go. The first PUG with a Themed and Open Section. Scroll down for the Open Gallery. Cheers Adelheid URL: http://pug.komkon.org/ -- About resizing your pics: To make the procedure easier I am going to resize them without further notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the result, please send me one you like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on the server. I hope this is a fair deal. _ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
Re: OT: Not a Christmas Picture
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts on the photo. Just a fun thing, really. I'm not really happy with the focus on Claire's eye, but I don't know if that's my focusing, or the fact that her eye is coming through a $3 plastic lens (because as a wise sage once said, If the lens screws up the light... g). What I did find amusing is that by focusing on the magnified eye, everything at the plane of her face is out of focus, but the background about 3 or 4 feet behind her is more or less in focus. Is that plastic lens K and M compatible, or is it a crippled lens? Bill
Re: Happy new Year from a new list member (Charles Braswell)
Well, well, good to see you finally out of the closet! Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Braswell Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 3:08 PM Subject: Happy new Year from a new list member (Charles Braswell) Hi everyone. My name is Charles Braswell Jr and I've decided to join the list today after lurking for quite a while. I've been checking the posts daily for around a year and a half and have enjoyed the posts and links to so many interesting topics. I'm a regular attendant at the Grandfather Mountain Nature weekends and a lot of you have already met me and knew that I was lurking on the list. I look forward to meeting many more list members in the future. I'm a professional outdoor, travel and nature photographer. I've also done weddings, sports and special occassion photography. I use Pentax equipment and shoot 35mm and 6 X 7. I've also got some sentimental Canon equipment from the days when I was using the FD system. Thanks for letting me come aboard (Please don't rock the boat :-) ). Charles
Re: Hello
Welcome back, Nick. Bill - Original Message - From: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: Hello I've made a couple of posts in the past few weeks but realised I haven't introduced (or reintroduced!) myself. My name is Nick Clark and I'm based in North London in the UK. I actually used to belong to this list a number of years ago, around the time the first gallery was being set-up. I dropped out due to work commitments when the volume of emails increased greatly partly due to one or two individuals who used the list to wind others up. Thankfully they seem to be gone I have kept an eye on the list through the archives and decided to rejoin partly due toa change in technology which lets me manage the emails on a PDA on the train journey to work. My main camera in currently an MZ-S with 43mm f1.8 limited, 90mm f2.8 Tamron, and 19mm f3.8 Vivitar. This is my favourite kIt, although I have various other lenses such as the 24-90 and 50mm f2.8 A Macro. I also occasionally use a KX or MX. Fortunately my Wife is also into photography and currently uses a *ist with 28-80 and 80-300 FAJ lenses. We are both members of a local camera club. So, just a brief intro, nice to be back. Nick
Re: AP liked the *ist 35mm best
I still say real photographers use the Speed Graphic. Juat ask Weegee. GRIN And wet glass plates as their medium? :-) Bill
Re: Happy new Year from a new list member (Charles Braswell)
I've known Charles for several years now, and at the risk of swelling his head, he's really one of the good guys. Bill - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Happy new Year from a new list member (Charles Braswell) Welcome aboard Charles, hope you have a good sense of humour to be able to put up with this lot... tan.
Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet
I've seen one about that size from one of the photos on the Pentax web site. Absolutely stunning! I did an 11x14 from the Optio S using genuine fractals and was impressed with it considering it only started out at 3.2 Mb Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:30 AM Subject: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet Hi all. Happy New Year to all. Just wondering if anyone has tried a large enlargement from the *istD yet. I was at Nikon yesterday,getting a very dusty/dirty CCD cleaned,when i asked if the D2H had been released in Canada yet.Yes it has i was told,and she went and grabbed a poster sized print.I forgot to ask,but it was either 20x30 or 24x36 or there abouts. Close up pic of an elephants eye and ear. WOW.Just stunning.Great colour and detail(and its only 4.2mp) I heard a slaesman tell a camera buyer it was from a 1.8mg jpf file and was worked in their raw software. Is it to much to ask if the *istD can do a good 20x30 etc at 6.1 pixels.?? Just curious is all Dave
Re: White Balance
I try and remember to turn mine to auto when I'm done shooting for the current session just in case an op shows up unexpectedly. When shooting, I try and match the white balance to the current conditions. When shooting indoors without flash, I'll do a test shot or two with the default balances for the current lighting, and if the review isn't to my satisfaction, I'll set the white balance manually using a sheet of Epson Premium Glossy paper that I use for printing. Bill - Original Message - From: Jeff Geilenkirchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: White Balance Good Point! I haven't seen much on the list in the way of managing the white balance for the *istDers. Since my purchase of a few weeks ago, I've kept it on automatic white balance. Does anyone here actively change their white balance specific to their subjects or lighting? Any thoughts are welcome here. Have a great day, Jeff -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Just one tip Kevin Waterson wrote: If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? With the *ist D, check your ISO and white balance before you start shooting. Bill
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
The comm port will be used for firmware upgrades, and I've heard that computer control is coming via a firmware update. Bill The argument about USB 1.1, 2.0 or Firewire doesn't interest me. If the only thing I can do with the comm port is download info from the card, you may as well leave it off. I find a card reader much more convenient and would rather have one less hole in the camera body. On the other hand, if I could use that port to control the camera with my computer, that would be great. See you later, gs www.georgesphotos.net --
Re: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D
Cesar, What I like about the Gossen Digisix is the ability to clip it on the flash shoe. Kind of like the old clip ons in the days before in camera metering, except this one has the ability to do both incident and reflected metering. There's a newer model that also does flash metering. Bill - Original Message - From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: RE: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D Bill, I always carry an external meter. I do use it quite a bit. It is nice to know that you can use the internal meter though when using an external meter just is not practical. César Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:13 AM -- -- I prefer my method of setting the camera on manual, and -- using an external -- meter. -- -- Bill -- -- -- - Original Message - -- From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:01 AM -- -- -- -- -Original Message- -- -- From: Heiko Hamann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:32 AM -- -- -- -- Hi Cesar, -- -- -- -- on 30 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list: -- -- -- -- What type of tape are you using? I just tried it with my K -- -- 50/1.2 and -- -- cellophane tape. It did not work. -- -- -- -- -- -- Simple scotch (or Tesa) tape. I set the *istD to Av and if I -- -- stop down -- -- the lens, the pictures get darker. If I take a lens withour -- -- tape, then -- -- all pictures are identical regardless of the chosen aperture. -- -- -- -- Cheers, Heiko -- -- -- -- I understand now. You were talking about the camera baing -- able to close -- down the aperture. Yes the pictures get darker with the -- tape in place. -- -- You cannot use the camera meter for settings unless you -- interpolate. But -- then you would have to use the M mode to get proper exposure. -- -- I still prefer my method of unlocking the lens. No need -- for tape and you -- can use the Av mode with the camera meter directly. -- -- Thanks for the info, -- -- César -- Panama City, Florida -- --
Re: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D
Cesar, In the meantime, you can check out: http://www.bogenphoto.com/ The new one with flash metering is the DigiFlash. Bill - Original Message - From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: RE: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D Bill, Thanks for the info. I may have to look at it at GFMtn. I used to carry around the Sekonic Studio Deluxe L-398M (from memory). Now I cart about the Sekonic L-358 Flash Meter (because it is a flash meter). So nice to be up to speed,
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's Bill - Original Message - From: Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Pentax's dSLR future? I am one who eagerly wanted to get the *istD only to be disappointed that it would not offer full compatibility with older K and M lenses as my PZ1-p does. I no longer think of myself as owning any new Pentax equipment. As long as film is around, I will continue to use my current film based Pentaxes fully. Frankly, I think the way to go is Canon. Jim A. From: Francis Alviar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:34:30 -0800 (PST) To: Pentax Discuss List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax's dSLR future? Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:34:31 -0500 I can't wait to get an *ist D. However I would like to ask everyone's opinion whether it's a good time to jump in now or wait for the next Pentax dSLR. Where do you see this going in the near future? Will Pentax release a higher resolution camera (8 or 9 MP) or just continue to update the *istD with more features. Or will they release another 6.*MP dSLR based on the MZ-S or PZ-1p platform? __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
Yes. - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Pentax's dSLR future? And didn't someone write that the Super Tak screw mount lenses were entirely workable when used stopped down to the working aperture? Bill Owens wrote: At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's
Re: COMPLETELY OT, but relevant to New Year's Eve...
I once had a manager that refused to go partying on New Year's Eve. She called it amateur night. We'll be bringing in the new year at a friends home. New Year's day dinner will be ham hocks and black eyed peas, boiled cabbage and cornbread. Bill
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
I have no doubt you are correct. I'm only saying that Pentax didn't totally change their mount and that they are more compatible with their older lenses than Canon. According to my Pentax rep, FWIW, there was a technical reason for dropping the aperture coupler. Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Pentax's dSLR future? On 30/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's With the greatest of respect Uncle Bill, a while back when Canon dumped on their obviously very loyal customer base, some saw it as a brave move. Canon took the bull by the horns and said right chaps, there's no way around this, we simply need to move on and get on with a new design - it paves the way for the future. It's simply no good to try and bodge with what we have already, it simply isn't going to work. At that time, it could have been the most disastrous thing that Canon could do - many thought that it was a big mistake and consumers would drift away to Nikon and Pentax and Minolta. Some did. Years on, the pain of those days has now paid dividends and Canon is where it is today.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
It's those wanting to use new lenses on old bodies. Actually, when using a zoom without a constant aperture value, using the aperture ring is a real pain since the aperture changes as you zoom. Bill - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Pentax's dSLR future? I have to ask, maybe naively, BUT, what is the big deal about the aperture ring? Exactly what does it add to in regards to camera function, or more to the point, what does it take away when it isn't availalble? Is it only really a problem for those trying to use newer lenses with older bodies? Or is there something else in the way that they function that I don't yet know about? tan.
