Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

Spaaa

Den 8. juli 2016 22.34.14 CEST, skrev "Daniel J. Matyola" 
:
>On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Bob W-PDML 
>wrote:
>
>> This is utter drivel, straight out of the 18th century.
>
>
>See, I told you there are more Berzerkers than Vandals on this list! 
>
>
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> This is utter drivel, straight out of the 18th century.


See, I told you there are more Berzerkers than Vandals on this list!  

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Bob W-PDML]

This is utter drivel, straight out of the 18th century.

B

> On 27 Jun 2016, at 20:33, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
> animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).
> 
> They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
> and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.
> 
> Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the Indus
> Valley Civilization & India.
> 
> Regards.
> Bipin
> from the IT Capital of the world - Bangalore.
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Bob W-PDML]

On 29 Jun 2016, at 22:21, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A Viking is a Vandal on a shopping spree.
> 
> 
> That is not only funny, but pretty damn accurate.
> 
> This forum has more Berzerkers than Vandals.
> 

The Vandals invented Andalucia. All of those people, and the people whom the 
Romans conquered, were far more cultured and civilised (in a non-technical 
sense) than the very outmoded and archeologically incorrect picture that Bipin 
claimed.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Jostein Øksne  wrote:

> Absolutely. They learned to trade with time. They became less savage as
> they succumbed to Christianity too.


True, but remember that the Christians of Francia, Saxony and England were
every bit as savage as the Vikings. In part, the sacking of Christian
monasteries was in retaliation for the sacking and burning of pagan Danish
settlements by Charles the Great and his successors.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

Absolutely. They learned to trade with time. They became less savage as they 
succumbed to Christianity too.
Jostein 

Den 29. juni 2016 21.54.25 CEST, skrev Larry Colen :
>
>
>Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J.
>Alling
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.
>>
>>
>> I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
>> dictionaries.
>
>The difference between a Viking and a Vandal?
>
>A Viking is a Vandal on a shopping spree.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

The more interesting definition is what constituted a city in the relevant 
period of history. 
Important nexi of trade would easily achieve city status without thousands of 
citizens.
Jostein 

Den 29. juni 2016 22.39.41 CEST, skrev "P.J. Alling" 
:
>Those places started as villages, then grew into cities.  I don't know 
>what your definition of a city is but it needs at least a couple 
>thousand people.
>
>On 6/29/2016 1:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J. Alling
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.
>>
>> I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
>> dictionaries.
>>
>> In any event, they did build and occupy cities.  Ireland had no
>cities
>> before the Vikings, who established Dublin. Cork, Waterford, Wexford
>and
>> Limmerick.  York was a Viking city for quite some time, as was Rouen.
>> Sliasthorp was there most important city in what is now Germany, and
>of
>> course there was the norse capital of Trondheim
>>
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

>
> A Viking is a Vandal on a shopping spree.


That is not only funny, but pretty damn accurate.

This forum has more Berzerkers than Vandals.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:39 PM, P.J. Alling 
wrote:

> Those places started as villages, then grew into cities.  I don't know
> what your definition of a city is but it needs at least a couple thousand
> people.


The places I mentioned are all cities, and all were founded by Vikings.
Many were substantial places, even in Viking times:

A Brief History of Dublin, Ireland

The first documented history of Dublin begins with the Viking raids in the
8th and 9th century. These led to the establishment of a settlement on the
southside of the mouth of the Liffey, named Dubh Linn (Black Pool) after
the lake where the Danes first moored their boats.

Despite stone fortifications, Dublin town was sacked many times over the
next two centuries but always recovered. By the 11th Century, Dublin
prospered, mainly due to close trading links with the English towns of
Chester and Bristol and soon became the most important town in Ireland with
a population of about 4,000.
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[P.J. Alling]

Those places started as villages, then grew into cities.  I don't know 
what your definition of a city is but it needs at least a couple 
thousand people.


On 6/29/2016 1:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J. Alling 
wrote:


Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.


I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
dictionaries.

In any event, they did build and occupy cities.  Ireland had no cities
before the Vikings, who established Dublin. Cork, Waterford, Wexford and
Limmerick.  York was a Viking city for quite some time, as was Rouen.
Sliasthorp was there most important city in what is now Germany, and of
course there was the norse capital of Trondheim

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J. Alling
wrote:


Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.



I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
dictionaries.


The difference between a Viking and a Vandal?

A Viking is a Vandal on a shopping spree.



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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:57 AM, Jostein Øksne  wrote:

> They may have learned from the Romans. :-)


More likely from the Eastern Roman Empire.  They visited Constantinople
frequently, and besieged it numerous times.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J. Alling 
wrote:

> Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.


I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
dictionaries.

In any event, they did build and occupy cities.  Ireland had no cities
before the Vikings, who established Dublin. Cork, Waterford, Wexford and
Limmerick.  York was a Viking city for quite some time, as was Rouen.
Sliasthorp was there most important city in what is now Germany, and of
course there was the norse capital of Trondheim

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

They may have learned from the Romans. :-) 
Jostein 

Den 29. juni 2016 03.43.27 CEST, skrev "Daniel J. Matyola" 
:
>On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Jostein Øksne 
>wrote:
>
>> All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the
>tribe's
>> last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it retracted,
>while
>> the rest of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation.
>
>
>Your Viking forebears were hardly uncivilized.  The became masters of
>shipbuilding and ocean navigation
>
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

They built cities. Quite a lot of them actually. Alas not in the fashion of the 
third little pig. :-) 
Jostein 

Den 29. juni 2016 07.04.14 CEST, skrev "P.J. Alling" 
:
>Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.  
>More properly they weren't uncultured.  The had quite a sophisticated 
>culture, it just didn't revolve around cities.
>
>On 6/28/2016 9:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Jostein Øksne 
>wrote:
>>
>>> All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the
>tribe's
>>> last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it
>retracted, while
>>> the rest of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation.
>>
>> Your Viking forebears were hardly uncivilized.  The became masters of
>> shipbuilding and ocean navigation
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[P.J. Alling]

Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.  
More properly they weren't uncultured.  The had quite a sophisticated 
culture, it just didn't revolve around cities.


On 6/28/2016 9:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Jostein Øksne  wrote:


All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the tribe's
last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it retracted, while
the rest of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation.


Your Viking forebears were hardly uncivilized.  The became masters of
shipbuilding and ocean navigation

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Jostein Øksne  wrote:

> All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the tribe's
> last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it retracted, while
> the rest of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation.


Your Viking forebears were hardly uncivilized.  The became masters of
shipbuilding and ocean navigation

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Bill]

On 6/28/2016 5:40 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the
tribe's last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it
retracted, while the rest of you busied yourself with inventing
civilisation. Bummer. Jostein


Ah, but if they hadn't, we wouldn't be able to say "This is Fjord 
country, what do you drive"?


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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the tribe's last 
retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it retracted, while the rest 
of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation. 
Bummer.
Jostein 

Den 28. juni 2016 21.17.55 CEST, skrev Mark Stringer :
>Those were my Celtic ancestors who were very happy with their animal 
>skins and dancing naked around the fire.  Sounds like Woodstock.
>Stringer
>
>On 6/27/2016 2:32 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
>> Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
>> animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
>> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).
>>
>> They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
>> and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.
>>
>> Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the
>Indus
>> Valley Civilization & India.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Bipin
>> from the IT Capital of the world - Bangalore.
>>

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Those were my Celtic ancestors who were very happy with their animal 
skins and dancing naked around the fire.  Sounds like Woodstock.

Stringer

On 6/27/2016 2:32 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).

They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.

Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the Indus
Valley Civilization & India.

Regards.
Bipin
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

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On 6/27/2016 7:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Stanley Halpin wrote:


On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:


the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ


Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.


And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who got
it from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for
repairs to their spacecraft…


And they got it from this strange guy in a police box.




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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Stanley Halpin  wrote:

> And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who
> got it from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for
> repairs to their spacecraft…


Not really.  In a couple of hundred years, the Greeks invented most of the
basic concepts of science, philosophy, and politics.

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Rottweilers. They gave us Rottweilers.


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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

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Stanley Halpin wrote:

>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>> 
>>> the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
>>> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ
>> 
>> Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
>> Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.
>
>And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who got 
>it from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for 
>repairs to their spacecraft…

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
>> the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
>> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ
>> 
> 
> Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
> Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.
> 
> 

And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who got it 
from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for repairs to 
their spacecraft…

stan
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[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:

> the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ
>

Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.



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You're forgetting Krypton!

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Subject: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).

They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.

Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the Indus
Valley Civilization & India.

Regards.
Bipin
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[Bipin Gupta]

Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).

They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.

Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the Indus
Valley Civilization & India.

Regards.
Bipin
from the IT Capital of the world - Bangalore.

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