Re: [Slightly different problem] Controlling location to which LR imports (v2)
2011/4/27 David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com: You can remove a picture from the catalog without deleting it from the disk. Delete the file (in LR), and when the prompt comes up, select Remove. That will remove it from the catalog and keep it on disk. I knew bout that but if you delete it from the second catalog, you'll end with plenty of files not in catalog anymore which is useless IMO. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Slightly different problem] Controlling location to which LR imports (v2)
2011/4/27 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: I presently work with 2 catalogs. One for my personal work and one for my photo courses Now, my problem: I realized I imported files from my Courses catalog at the place I store my own files (lets call it Personal catalog). ... I'm not entirely sure I understand. Is this the situation? - You have two catalogs intended for different purposes, Personal and Courses. - You do not want the image files to be included in both catalogs. - When you import with each catalog, you want LR to move your image files into different file system locations to keep them separated. Yes, sir. - When you imported files into your Courses catalog, you inadvertently set LR to place the files in the file system location normally used for your Personal files. It may be. Actually, looking at the rest of your post, I see that is most probably the problem. I, indeed, broke myself the thing. I do not want to mix files, deleting a file when it is also present in the second catalog will create a big mess and since LR can't open both catalog at the same time... can't do another way. Did I messed things up? Or did LR? I'm under the impression that LR keeps the last import settings in memory but do NOT it does so in relation to what catalog is opened. Which means, if I'm no cautious enough, things gets mixed (and messed up). Is it so ? The worst thing that can happen if you delete files from one catalog (and delete or move them around in the file system) is that the same image files also present in the other catalog will come up with question marks saying that Lightroom can't find them. All you have to do is tell the catalog with the question marks to synchronize with the file system and remove missing files. Yep, indeed, that what happended (followed by a loud S**T) ;) But I copied back the files where I intended them to be otherwise it becomes a big mess. Similarly, once you put the files into the right locations for the other catalog, either re-import them or synchronize existing folders into which they've been placed. Will do, thanks. Lightroom remembers import settings on a per catalog basis automatically, but the sensible and safe thing to do if you want LR to move files into separate locations in two different catalogs/import scenarios is to define two import presets, one for each catalog, and remember to choose the correct one when doing your imports. That, I was unsure about. Thank you for pointing it out and more thanks because I never thought about the import presets. To me it was more like doing a couple adjustments/conversions at import time which I didn't want to. I have about four different import scenarios articulating in what destinations in the file system I want imports to place the files, so I have a preset set up for each of them. Will certainly do as well now. Thank you much Godfrey :) Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Slightly different problem] Controlling location to which LR imports (v2)
You're welcome, glad to help. On Thursday, April 28, 2011, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/4/27 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: I presently work with 2 catalogs. One for my personal work and one for my photo courses Now, my problem: I realized I imported files from my Courses catalog at the place I store my own files (lets call it Personal catalog). ... I'm not entirely sure I understand. Is this the situation? - You have two catalogs intended for different purposes, Personal and Courses. - You do not want the image files to be included in both catalogs. - When you import with each catalog, you want LR to move your image files into different file system locations to keep them separated. Yes, sir. - When you imported files into your Courses catalog, you inadvertently set LR to place the files in the file system location normally used for your Personal files. It may be. Actually, looking at the rest of your post, I see that is most probably the problem. I, indeed, broke myself the thing. I do not want to mix files, deleting a file when it is also present in the second catalog will create a big mess and since LR can't open both catalog at the same time... can't do another way. Did I messed things up? Or did LR? I'm under the impression that LR keeps the last import settings in memory but do NOT it does so in relation to what catalog is opened. Which means, if I'm no cautious enough, things gets mixed (and messed up). Is it so ? The worst thing that can happen if you delete files from one catalog (and delete or move them around in the file system) is that the same image files also present in the other catalog will come up with question marks saying that Lightroom can't find them. All you have to do is tell the catalog with the question marks to synchronize with the file system and remove missing files. Yep, indeed, that what happended (followed by a loud S**T) ;) But I copied back the files where I intended them to be otherwise it becomes a big mess. Similarly, once you put the files into the right locations for the other catalog, either re-import them or synchronize existing folders into which they've been placed. Will do, thanks. Lightroom remembers import settings on a per catalog basis automatically, but the sensible and safe thing to do if you want LR to move files into separate locations in two different catalogs/import scenarios is to define two import presets, one for each catalog, and remember to choose the correct one when doing your imports. That, I was unsure about. Thank you for pointing it out and more thanks because I never thought about the import presets. To me it was more like doing a couple adjustments/conversions at import time which I didn't want to. I have about four different import scenarios articulating in what destinations in the file system I want imports to place the files, so I have a preset set up for each of them. Will certainly do as well now. Thank you much Godfrey :) Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Slightly different problem] Controlling location to which LR imports (v2)
You're welcome, glad to help. On Thursday, April 28, 2011, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/4/27 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: I presently work with 2 catalogs. One for my personal work and one for my photo courses Now, my problem: I realized I imported files from my Courses catalog at the place I store my own files (lets call it Personal catalog). ... I'm not entirely sure I understand. Is this the situation? - You have two catalogs intended for different purposes, Personal and Courses. - You do not want the image files to be included in both catalogs. - When you import with each catalog, you want LR to move your image files into different file system locations to keep them separated. Yes, sir. - When you imported files into your Courses catalog, you inadvertently set LR to place the files in the file system location normally used for your Personal files. It may be. Actually, looking at the rest of your post, I see that is most probably the problem. I, indeed, broke myself the thing. I do not want to mix files, deleting a file when it is also present in the second catalog will create a big mess and since LR can't open both catalog at the same time... can't do another way. Did I messed things up? Or did LR? I'm under the impression that LR keeps the last import settings in memory but do NOT it does so in relation to what catalog is opened. Which means, if I'm no cautious enough, things gets mixed (and messed up). Is it so ? The worst thing that can happen if you delete files from one catalog (and delete or move them around in the file system) is that the same image files also present in the other catalog will come up with question marks saying that Lightroom can't find them. All you have to do is tell the catalog with the question marks to synchronize with the file system and remove missing files. Yep, indeed, that what happended (followed by a loud S**T) ;) But I copied back the files where I intended them to be otherwise it becomes a big mess. Similarly, once you put the files into the right locations for the other catalog, either re-import them or synchronize existing folders into which they've been placed. Will do, thanks. Lightroom remembers import settings on a per catalog basis automatically, but the sensible and safe thing to do if you want LR to move files into separate locations in two different catalogs/import scenarios is to define two import presets, one for each catalog, and remember to choose the correct one when doing your imports. That, I was unsure about. Thank you for pointing it out and more thanks because I never thought about the import presets. To me it was more like doing a couple adjustments/conversions at import time which I didn't want to. I have about four different import scenarios articulating in what destinations in the file system I want imports to place the files, so I have a preset set up for each of them. Will certainly do as well now. Thank you much Godfrey :) Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
[Slightly different problem] Controlling location to which LR imports (v2)
I have a little different problem related to the import place. I may have screwed the whole thing so I'm not sure LR is the culprit. I presently work with 2 catalogs. One for my personal work and one for my photo courses. It is easier (well I thought so at least) and I'm at no risk of displaying personal pictures I do not want to display everywhere. Now, my problem: I realized I imported files from my Courses catalog at the place I store my own files (lets call it Personal catalog). I do not want to mix files, deleting a file when it is also present in the second catalog will create a big mess and since LR can't open both catalog at the same time... can't do another way. Did I messed things up? Or did LR? I'm under the impression that LR keeps the last import settings in memory but do NOT it does so in relation to what catalog is opened. Which means, if I'm no cautious enough, things gets mixed (and messed up). Is it so ? Thank you (and thanks Godfrey because I know you're an LR reference and answer will probably come from you). -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Slightly different problem] Controlling location to which LR imports (v2)
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: I presently work with 2 catalogs. One for my personal work and one for my photo courses Now, my problem: I realized I imported files from my Courses catalog at the place I store my own files (lets call it Personal catalog). ... I'm not entirely sure I understand. Is this the situation? - You have two catalogs intended for different purposes, Personal and Courses. - You do not want the image files to be included in both catalogs. - When you import with each catalog, you want LR to move your image files into different file system locations to keep them separated. - When you imported files into your Courses catalog, you inadvertently set LR to place the files in the file system location normally used for your Personal files. I do not want to mix files, deleting a file when it is also present in the second catalog will create a big mess and since LR can't open both catalog at the same time... can't do another way. Did I messed things up? Or did LR? I'm under the impression that LR keeps the last import settings in memory but do NOT it does so in relation to what catalog is opened. Which means, if I'm no cautious enough, things gets mixed (and messed up). Is it so ? The worst thing that can happen if you delete files from one catalog (and delete or move them around in the file system) is that the same image files also present in the other catalog will come up with question marks saying that Lightroom can't find them. All you have to do is tell the catalog with the question marks to synchronize with the file system and remove missing files. Similarly, once you put the files into the right locations for the other catalog, either re-import them or synchronize existing folders into which they've been placed. Lightroom remembers import settings on a per catalog basis automatically, but the sensible and safe thing to do if you want LR to move files into separate locations in two different catalogs/import scenarios is to define two import presets, one for each catalog, and remember to choose the correct one when doing your imports. I have about four different import scenarios articulating in what destinations in the file system I want imports to place the files, so I have a preset set up for each of them. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Slightly different problem] Controlling location to which LR imports (v2)
You can remove a picture from the catalog without deleting it from the disk. Delete the file (in LR), and when the prompt comes up, select Remove. That will remove it from the catalog and keep it on disk. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: Now, my problem: I realized I imported files from my Courses catalog at the place I store my own files (lets call it Personal catalog). I do not want to mix files, deleting a file when it is also present in the second catalog will create a big mess and since LR can't open both catalog at the same time... can't do another way. Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controlling location to which LR imports
On Mar 13, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It's very important that you look carefully at what Lightroom's import dialog is telling you. Look at http://homepage.mac.com/godders/lr-import.jpg ... - On the left panel, you see the source location. Note the light band highlighting Imported on March 12, 2011 which ends with a pointer to the content window '' ... this is telling you what you've selected for Lightroom to import. - At the top, notice that Copy is highlighted ... LR will import these files and make a copy of them to a destination for you. - On the right, notice the big pointer, another arrow, indicating the 'Desktop' folder as the destination. Notice also that I've elected to move them organized by date using the date format mmdd, and that into subfolder is NOT checked. This means that LR will create a dated subfolder and put the 80 image files into it under Desktop. If I check the Into Subfolder option and gave it a name for a new subfolder, it would create the new subfolder under Desktop and THEN create new data-named subfolders under that. If you change the organize mode, it will change how it creates the destination you want to put them. I'm still having a problem with this, Godfrey. I set up the import the way you describe in the last paragraph above, i.e., into subfolders unchecked, and the subfolders suggested by Lightroom unchecked. Lightroom seems to have a mind of its own, however, at least my installation. It puts the dated folders in a subfolder of the folder I take myself to have set as the folder into which the images will be imported. I've put images of my settings and the result on Picasa. What am I doing wrong? [It's gotta be me! It can't be Lightroom!] https://picasaweb.google.com/103420210337495775480/LRImportSettingsAndResult?authkey=Gv1sRgCL7L2KTmldzwPA# Thanks, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controlling location to which LR imports
On 2011-04-26 12:06 , Eric Weir wrote: I'm still having a problem with this, Godfrey. I set up the import the way you describe in the last paragraph above, i.e., into subfolders unchecked, and the subfolders suggested by Lightroom unchecked. Lightroom seems to have a mind of its own, however, at least my installation. It puts the dated folders in a subfolder of the folder I take myself to have set as the folder into which the images will be imported. note the date format 2011/2011-04-17 -- the slash here is telling you it's going to create both a 2011 folder and a 2011-04-17 folder _within_ the destination folder (which is 2011); this is why you are getting two levels of 2011 folders in the date format pop-up, see if there's an option which reads simply 2011-04-17 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controlling location to which LR imports
On Apr 26, 2011, at 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: note the date format 2011/2011-04-17 -- the slash here is telling you it's going to create both a 2011 folder and a 2011-04-17 folder _within_ the destination folder (which is 2011); this is why you are getting two levels of 2011 folders in the date format pop-up, see if there's an option which reads simply 2011-04-17 Thanks, Steve. I knew it had to be me. And I suspected it would turn out to be something obvious. As it has. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controlling location to which LR imports
On 2011-03-13 23:41 , David Parsons wrote: I don't want to put the files into permanent storage right away because if I don't take care of tagging when right away, I'll lose them in the storage areas and my tagging will be useless. trying to understand this -- how can you lose them? i just import files and use the catalog; i can easily see what i haven't tagged yet, even if i put it off (i have plenty of gaps in tagging, and go back to them when i can) IMO, using dated folders for permanent storage is kind of a bad idea if you ever need to find the files in the future. how do dated folders make it hard to find files? i suspect there's an assumption i'm missing -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controlling location to which LR imports
Hah! That did it; thanks, Mr. G! I have removed one piece of software from my workflow, which has to be a good thing. Now, as to workflows, what David Parsons said; the chance that any group of humans in general, and the PDML rabble in particular, will converge on one is pretty remote. But you know, if we ever had one of those meeting things, if everyone stood up and spent 5 minutes outlining their workflow, I bet it'd be interesting and lots of us would be the better or it. Having said that, I understand how Lr works perfectly well, but have a constraint: a Mac with an ultra-fast but irritatingly small SSD (i.e. hard disk that's not a disk, just more chips). I can't possibly keep any substantial proportion of my collection on it, so I carry around an outboard disk for that (and have several levels of backup, but that's another story). But, I really like having the last 2 or 3 months' photos on the SSD because it makes Lightroom faster. So... I always import from the cameras into a directory Pictures/Current and do all my editing and triage there. Every few months I migrate the survivors off to their final homes on the outboard disk. I use /MM folders just because that what seems to work for me, but I understand that lots of others wouldn't be happy with it. -T On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:41 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone has a different workflow, and there really isn't a right or wrong way to do it. I import files to a temp location by date and do all my tagging there. I'll then move them to their permanent home at a later time. It allows me to keep daily sessions organized (since they tend to be of a single subject or theme). I don't want to put the files into permanent storage right away because if I don't take care of tagging when right away, I'll lose them in the storage areas and my tagging will be useless. IMO, using dated folders for permanent storage is kind of a bad idea if you ever need to find the files in the future. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Regards your work flow ... With LR, it's just as sensible to put them where you want them to live permanently in the first place, do your sort and grade, then tell it to delete the rejected ones, rather than putting them in one place, sorting/grading, deleting, then moving the remainder to a final destination. (Works more smoothly that way, for my workflow.) The notion in Lightroom is to create an original image file repository that never moves, just grows. Since all the image editing information is stored in the catalog and the original image files are there only for reading that repository can be situated anywhere you want. Where to put it is a matter of your backup and performance configuration. Once you have a good design for the repository (organized by a date directory tree, a category directory tree, whatever works for you) there's very little reason to move pieces of it around. You identify images by keyword and IPTC metadata, you group images by using collections and collection sets, you track editing state by using flags/stars/labels. The original image files never have to move, these markings are simply annotations in the database. (This is completely different from a typical Photoshop workflow, which moves or copies files from bucket to bucket to track the state of the image editing.) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controlling location to which LR imports
You won't lose them, the files don't go anywhere. It's finding them that is the problem. Here's a scenario. Today, I go to a local cemetery and load the files into the folder for that date. I get distracted before I can get to tagging them properly. Tomorrow, I go out to shoot a parade. I'm able to get that tagged and it's all good. Some time later, I'm looking through my tags and I can't find some pictures that I know I shot. I don't remember when I shot them, so having them stored by date is useless unless I want to trawl through my entire catalog. Using a temp location to organize things gives me a buffer in case I'm not able to take care of them right away, and my permanent storage is on another computer, so I know that when I file them, I've done just about all that I'll do to them. Dated folders only helps if you remember the dates that you shot everything you've ever shot. I have no idea when I shot that hockey game in 2004, but I know that I filed them in my sports | Hockey | team vs team folder. I can find them via tagging in LR, but if I ever need to find them in the file structure, the tags are of no use. I'm trying to keep some redundancy for when I'm not using LR anymore and I need to move on to the next software package. A detailed file structure does that for me (I do the same thing with iTunes and all the music that I have ripped. I want to know exactly where the files are, and how to get to them). On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:08 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2011-03-13 23:41 , David Parsons wrote: I don't want to put the files into permanent storage right away because if I don't take care of tagging when right away, I'll lose them in the storage areas and my tagging will be useless. trying to understand this -- how can you lose them? i just import files and use the catalog; i can easily see what i haven't tagged yet, even if i put it off (i have plenty of gaps in tagging, and go back to them when i can) IMO, using dated folders for permanent storage is kind of a bad idea if you ever need to find the files in the future. how do dated folders make it hard to find files? i suspect there's an assumption i'm missing -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controlling location to which LR imports
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:21 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: You won't lose them, the files don't go anywhere. It's finding them that is the problem. That's what keyword metadata is for. When I have shoots that I don't have time to keyword, after they're imported I create a file with Photoshop that goes into the imported directory with base information about what the shoot should represent and bring that into LR too. After I get to doing the tagging, I delete it. That way, as I trawl through the unprocessed masses of files, the ones in which the info sheet is contained are the session sets that I haven't worked on yet. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controlling location to which LR imports
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: Hah! That did it; thanks, Mr. G! I have removed one piece of software from my workflow, which has to be a good thing. Glad that helped. Having said that, I understand how Lr works perfectly well, but have a constraint: a Mac with an ultra-fast but irritatingly small SSD (i.e. hard disk that's not a disk, just more chips). I can't possibly keep any substantial proportion of my collection on it, so I carry around an outboard disk for that (and have several levels of backup, but that's another story). But, I really like having the last 2 or 3 months' photos on the SSD because it makes Lightroom faster. So... I always import from the cameras into a directory Pictures/Current and do all my editing and triage there. Every few months I migrate the survivors off to their final homes on the outboard disk. I have a little less than 2 Terabytes of image files now. My active working data drive for my desktop system is a 1T drive which has about 250G free space left, so the total mass of the archive is not represented in my in progress catalog, only the active portion. Similarly, I have a 500G fast drive in the laptop and have only the past couple weeks/months data in it. Data flow, when I'm in the field with the laptop, is that the data goes in there and I start editing. When I'm back to my desk, I roll what files are in there across to the desktop system, into the main repository, and import the laptop's catalog after re-synching the file locations. When I'm going to be away and want to continue working on a couple of things, I rolll that portion of the in-progress stuff out to a catalog, move it and the image files to the laptop, and away I go ... re-syncing it back to the desktop when I return. There are all sorts of ways to organize workflow. Remember that I teach this stuff. Sadly, or fortunately depending on what perspective you want to take, the people who prefer to do it their way most are the most likely ones to call me up three months later for a 1:1 session to sort out the mess they've made ... ! Workflow isn't worth arguing about. All you have to do is work out a schema that does the job for you, and keep it going. Mine works great for me and I manage many many thousands of files. I've never lost one. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Everyone has a different workflow, and there really isn't a right or wrong way to do it. Indeed. But when I read about the way some people do it, they sometimes seem to have made things much more complicated than they need to be, and I wonder if it's a hangover in their thinking from earlier less integrated ways of managing their pictures. I import files to a temp location by date and do all my tagging there. I'll then move them to their permanent home at a later time. It allows me to keep daily sessions organized (since they tend to be of a single subject or theme). I don't want to put the files into permanent storage right away because if I don't take care of tagging when right away, I'll lose them in the storage areas and my tagging will be useless. I don't really understand your thinking here. You can avoid that temporary first step by importing them and letting Lightroom date them automatically. If you don't have time to tag them with other keywords and metadata before the import, you're no worse off than if you'd set up a date folder as you state; in fact you're better off because you've eliminated that step but you still have the same organisation available. Furthermore, adding a tag that helps you remember where you've put them takes no longer than typing the tag into a field on the Import dialog. This method would save you time. You can easily come back later and do some more extensive tagging. IMO, using dated folders for permanent storage is kind of a bad idea if you ever need to find the files in the future. Yes, if that's the only way you use to identify them, but I don't believe anyone's said that they do that. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:41 AM, David Parsons wrote: IMO, using dated folders for permanent storage is kind of a bad idea if you ever need to find the files in the future. Can't speak on the authority of much experience filing images, but from long, successful experience maintaining paper files, I've found dates and names -- of people or organizations -- far more effective than topics. That can be remedied by gradually moving in the direction of a fairly standard set of topics. Flexibility and frequent revision at the beginning, and as your thinking about your overall work evolves, will get you there. I once worked for an organization -- a consortium of universities -- that had a one-page alphabetically- and numberically-organized index of its files that allowed for addition of new topics without any other revisions to the index. And they created a completely new set of files at the beginning of every year. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-03-14 00:21 , David Parsons wrote: Using a temp location to organize things gives me a buffer in case I'm not able to take care of them right away, okay, i think the comparable state to in a temp folder for me is untagged -- i can easily browse or search for untagged items, and since i tag more often than not, untagged items bunch up into easily visible group so i guess the catalog serves that purpose for me; Godfrey's method of making a note image in Photoshop works too, but if i got that far i'd just batch-add a caption directly to the images i had just imported and my permanent storage is on another computer, so I know that when I file them, I've done just about all that I'll do to them. well that would explain some of why you're using folders for some of the organization for which i use the catalog Dated folders only helps if you remember the dates that you shot everything you've ever shot. i don't claim that dated folders help me find files, i just didn't understand why you'd say they'd make it hard; since i use the catalog to find files (even those that are untagged), the folder scheme makes little difference; dated folders do make it simple to move batches of images to different disks (or to confirm that Aperture has done it properly) I'm trying to keep some redundancy for when I'm not using LR anymore and I need to move on to the next software package. for me that basically means pushing the tags into the master files A detailed file structure does that for me (I do the same thing with iTunes and all the music that I have ripped. I want to know exactly where the files are, and how to get to them). i have a very large iTunes library, and i used to manage folders by hand too, but i realized a few years ago (just as i did for the photos i was then organizing with iView Media Pro) that the metadata exposed in iTunes encapsulated every aspect of what i wanted to organize; so i've let go of the filing, i concentrate on making sure the metadata is correct and let iTunes use the metadata to create album/artist folders; the metadata is all saved with the files so i can rebuild my library from scratch if needed (well, iTunes has stopped writing rating info to the files, which i find annoying) it does take a leap of faith to let go of the file system and to use metadata to organize ad hoc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-03-14 00:08 , Tim Bray wrote: But, I really like having the last 2 or 3 months' photos on the SSD because it makes Lightroom faster. So... I always import from the cameras into a directory Pictures/Current and do all my editing and triage there. Every few months I migrate the survivors off to their final homes on the outboard disk. i use Aperture -- but i'm pretty sure Lightroom is comparable -- and you can to tell it to move the masters of any subset of images anywhere, whenever you want; i have done it with a years' worth at a time, and also for housekeeping when i've been sloppy; you can also get an overview of where masters are stored for a selection of images; storing different images in different places doesn't change how the catalog works I use /MM folders just because that what seems to work for me, but I understand that lots of others wouldn't be happy with it. -T yeah, i use /MM/DD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think I've asked this question before, but can't find the responses. The top level of my image files is by year. Below that are folders by date with a descriptive phrase appended. When I import LR creates *another* directory for the year and then imports images by dates into this folder. When the import is finished I then have to move the folders created in the import out of this folder into *my* folder for the year. Why is LR doing this? How can I get it to stop, i.e., to just import by date into the folder I indicate without creating another folder? Thanks -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Lightroom 2 or 3? On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I think I've asked this question before, but can't find the responses. The top level of my image files is by year. Below that are folders by date with a descriptive phrase appended. When I import LR creates *another* directory for the year and then imports images by dates into this folder. When the import is finished I then have to move the folders created in the import out of this folder into *my* folder for the year. Why is LR doing this? How can I get it to stop, i.e., to just import by date into the folder I indicate without creating another folder? Thanks -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's very important that you look carefully at what Lightroom's import dialog is telling you. Look at http://homepage.mac.com/godders/lr-import.jpg ... - On the left panel, you see the source location. Note the light band highlighting Imported on March 12, 2011 which ends with a pointer to the content window '' ... this is telling you what you've selected for Lightroom to import. - At the top, notice that Copy is highlighted ... LR will import these files and make a copy of them to a destination for you. - On the right, notice the big pointer, another arrow, indicating the 'Desktop' folder as the destination. Notice also that I've elected to move them organized by date using the date format mmdd, and that into subfolder is NOT checked. This means that LR will create a dated subfolder and put the 80 image files into it under Desktop. If I check the Into Subfolder option and gave it a name for a new subfolder, it would create the new subfolder under Desktop and THEN create new data-named subfolders under that. If you change the organize mode, it will change how it creates the destination you want to put them. For my normal import, I have the organize by date with this date format selected. Into subfolder is un-checked. I select the year as the top level folder, Lightroom creates the day by day subfolders under that year as desired with every import. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I think I've asked this question before, but can't find the responses. The top level of my image files is by year. Below that are folders by date with a descriptive phrase appended. When I import LR creates *another* directory for the year and then imports images by dates into this folder. When the import is finished I then have to move the folders created in the import out of this folder into *my* folder for the year. Why is LR doing this? How can I get it to stop, i.e., to just import by date into the folder I indicate without creating another folder? Thanks -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't like where Lightroom puts the imports, so on the Mac I use Image Capture to copy the raw pix of the camera into the place I want them. I assume there must be something equivalent on Windows. Then I get Lightroom to import them in-place. As to how you organize your pictures into folders, that's something that's shockingly personal and shouldn't be brought up at all, or it'll develop into a 300-message PDML thread. -T On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I think I've asked this question before, but can't find the responses. The top level of my image files is by year. Below that are folders by date with a descriptive phrase appended. When I import LR creates *another* directory for the year and then imports images by dates into this folder. When the import is finished I then have to move the folders created in the import out of this folder into *my* folder for the year. Why is LR doing this? How can I get it to stop, i.e., to just import by date into the folder I indicate without creating another folder? Thanks -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 13, 2011, at 12:56 PM, David Parsons wrote: Lightroom 2 or 3? Sorry. Three. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I don't like where Lightroom puts the imports, so on the Mac I use Image Capture to copy the raw pix of the camera into the place I want them. I assume there must be something equivalent on Windows. Then I get Lightroom to import them in-place. Lightroom will put the photographs precisely where you tell it to. What you're saying is that you don't like to use its mechanism to do so, or don't understand how to tell it to do what you want. No matter really, but let's be precise. I don't know why you'd use Image Capture to move the files from your card to the computer file system. Just drag and drop them to the location you want if you want to do it yourself ... It's faster and easier IMO. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Godfrey. I'm on the run, but this is what I was looking for. I'll digest it later and report back. On Mar 13, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It's very important that you look carefully at what Lightroom's import dialog is telling you. Look at http://homepage.mac.com/godders/lr-import.jpg ... - On the left panel, you see the source location. Note the light band highlighting Imported on March 12, 2011 which ends with a pointer to the content window '' ... this is telling you what you've selected for Lightroom to import. - At the top, notice that Copy is highlighted ... LR will import these files and make a copy of them to a destination for you. - On the right, notice the big pointer, another arrow, indicating the 'Desktop' folder as the destination. Notice also that I've elected to move them organized by date using the date format mmdd, and that into subfolder is NOT checked. This means that LR will create a dated subfolder and put the 80 image files into it under Desktop. If I check the Into Subfolder option and gave it a name for a new subfolder, it would create the new subfolder under Desktop and THEN create new data-named subfolders under that. If you change the organize mode, it will change how it creates the destination you want to put them. For my normal import, I have the organize by date with this date format selected. Into subfolder is un-checked. I select the year as the top level folder, Lightroom creates the day by day subfolders under that year as desired with every import. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I think I've asked this question before, but can't find the responses. The top level of my image files is by year. Below that are folders by date with a descriptive phrase appended. When I import LR creates *another* directory for the year and then imports images by dates into this folder. When the import is finished I then have to move the folders created in the import out of this folder into *my* folder for the year. Why is LR doing this? How can I get it to stop, i.e., to just import by date into the folder I indicate without creating another folder? Thanks -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Lightroom will put the photographs precisely where you tell it to. ... I don't know why you'd use Image Capture to move the files from your card to the computer file system. Just drag and drop them to the location you want if you want to do it yourself ... It's faster and easier IMO. It turns out that some cameras distribute the pix on-camera into folders, per-day or per-week or whatever. Image Capture is handy because it goes and pokes around and comes back with a list of all the photos on the device, and remembers which ones it downloaded. Hm, thanks for the news about Lightroom. Last time I tried to use it for import was back in the Lightroom 1 days, and I was having a hard time keeping it from sorting the pictures into folders based on its own opinions. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Lightroom does that as well. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: It turns out that some cameras distribute the pix on-camera into folders, per-day or per-week or whatever. Image Capture is handy because it goes and pokes around and comes back with a list of all the photos on the device, and remembers which ones it downloaded. Hm, thanks for the news about Lightroom. Last time I tried to use it for import was back in the Lightroom 1 days, and I was having a hard time keeping it from sorting the pictures into folders based on its own opinions. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It turns out that some cameras distribute the pix on-camera into folders, per-day or per-week or whatever. Image Capture is handy because it goes and pokes around and comes back with a list of all the photos on the device, and remembers which ones it downloaded. Hm, thanks for the news about Lightroom. Last time I tried to use it for import was back in the Lightroom 1 days, and I was having a hard time keeping it from sorting the pictures into folders based on its own opinions. -Tim I've been using LR since the betas, and never had that problem. It's always done exactly what I want, in the way I want it, which is why I like it so much. I've never noticed that it has opinions - it does what I tell it to do and keeps its mouth shut, like a good butler. Perhaps it spends its free time reading Spinoza, but I don't get to hear about it. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: I don't know why you'd use Image Capture to move the files from your card to the computer file system. Just drag and drop them to the location you want if you want to do it yourself ... It's faster and easier IMO. It turns out that some cameras distribute the pix on-camera into folders, per-day or per-week or whatever. Image Capture is handy because it goes and pokes around and comes back with a list of all the photos on the device, and remembers which ones it downloaded. That's a perfect reason to let Lightroom do this job for you ... That's exactly what it does, you just have to tell it where you want to put the data correctly. ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 13, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: - On the right, notice the big pointer, another arrow, indicating the 'Desktop' folder as the destination. Notice also that I've elected to move them organized by date using the date format mmdd, and that into subfolder is NOT checked. This means that LR will create a dated subfolder and put the 80 image files into it under Desktop. If I check the Into Subfolder option and gave it a name for a new subfolder, it would create the new subfolder under Desktop and THEN create new data-named subfolders under that. If you change the organize mode, it will change how it creates the destination you want to put them. For my normal import, I have the organize by date with this date format selected. Into subfolder is un-checked. I select the year as the top level folder, Lightroom creates the day by day subfolders under that year as desired with every import. Thanks, again. Godfrey. I think I've got it, though I won't be able to be sure till my next import. Didn't know about checking/unchecking into subfolder. It seems to be the source of the problem. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hmf, I must be doing it wrong. I always import my raw files into Pictures/Current and do triage and basic editing there before I move them to their final home. [Yes - *gasp* - he discards Raw files.] I just imported a bunch and thought I'd unchecked all those things you pointed out, but it went and put them in Current/2011/2011-03-13 anyhow. OK, I accept your assertion that I can tell Lightroom what to do and it will obey, so now I'm on a mission to find out how. I'm hoping I just missed unchecking something, and also that Lr will remember my settings in future imports.-T On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: It's very important that you look carefully at what Lightroom's import dialog is telling you. Look at http://homepage.mac.com/godders/lr-import.jpg ... - On the left panel, you see the source location. Note the light band highlighting Imported on March 12, 2011 which ends with a pointer to the content window '' ... this is telling you what you've selected for Lightroom to import. - At the top, notice that Copy is highlighted ... LR will import these files and make a copy of them to a destination for you. - On the right, notice the big pointer, another arrow, indicating the 'Desktop' folder as the destination. Notice also that I've elected to move them organized by date using the date format mmdd, and that into subfolder is NOT checked. This means that LR will create a dated subfolder and put the 80 image files into it under Desktop. If I check the Into Subfolder option and gave it a name for a new subfolder, it would create the new subfolder under Desktop and THEN create new data-named subfolders under that. If you change the organize mode, it will change how it creates the destination you want to put them. For my normal import, I have the organize by date with this date format selected. Into subfolder is un-checked. I select the year as the top level folder, Lightroom creates the day by day subfolders under that year as desired with every import. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I think I've asked this question before, but can't find the responses. The top level of my image files is by year. Below that are folders by date with a descriptive phrase appended. When I import LR creates *another* directory for the year and then imports images by dates into this folder. When the import is finished I then have to move the folders created in the import out of this folder into *my* folder for the year. Why is LR doing this? How can I get it to stop, i.e., to just import by date into the folder I indicate without creating another folder? Thanks -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: Hmf, I must be doing it wrong. I always import my raw files into Pictures/Current and do triage and basic editing there before I move them to their final home. [Yes - *gasp* - he discards Raw files.] I just imported a bunch and thought I'd unchecked all those things you pointed out, but it went and put them in Current/2011/2011-03-13 anyhow. OK, I accept your assertion that I can tell Lightroom what to do and it will obey, so now I'm on a mission to find out how. I'm hoping I just missed unchecking something, and also that Lr will remember my settings in future imports. -T I didn't go through all the destination options. You've chosen the organize: by date and date format: /-MM-DD options. If you click on ~/Pictures/Current and want your files deposited there, without an enclosing folder, choose organize: Into one folder. The date format option will disappear, all the files will be deposited into that folder. Regards your work flow ... With LR, it's just as sensible to put them where you want them to live permanently in the first place, do your sort and grade, then tell it to delete the rejected ones, rather than putting them in one place, sorting/grading, deleting, then moving the remainder to a final destination. (Works more smoothly that way, for my workflow.) The notion in Lightroom is to create an original image file repository that never moves, just grows. Since all the image editing information is stored in the catalog and the original image files are there only for reading that repository can be situated anywhere you want. Where to put it is a matter of your backup and performance configuration. Once you have a good design for the repository (organized by a date directory tree, a category directory tree, whatever works for you) there's very little reason to move pieces of it around. You identify images by keyword and IPTC metadata, you group images by using collections and collection sets, you track editing state by using flags/stars/labels. The original image files never have to move, these markings are simply annotations in the database. (This is completely different from a typical Photoshop workflow, which moves or copies files from bucket to bucket to track the state of the image editing.) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controlling location to which LR imports
Everyone has a different workflow, and there really isn't a right or wrong way to do it. I import files to a temp location by date and do all my tagging there. I'll then move them to their permanent home at a later time. It allows me to keep daily sessions organized (since they tend to be of a single subject or theme). I don't want to put the files into permanent storage right away because if I don't take care of tagging when right away, I'll lose them in the storage areas and my tagging will be useless. IMO, using dated folders for permanent storage is kind of a bad idea if you ever need to find the files in the future. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Regards your work flow ... With LR, it's just as sensible to put them where you want them to live permanently in the first place, do your sort and grade, then tell it to delete the rejected ones, rather than putting them in one place, sorting/grading, deleting, then moving the remainder to a final destination. (Works more smoothly that way, for my workflow.) The notion in Lightroom is to create an original image file repository that never moves, just grows. Since all the image editing information is stored in the catalog and the original image files are there only for reading that repository can be situated anywhere you want. Where to put it is a matter of your backup and performance configuration. Once you have a good design for the repository (organized by a date directory tree, a category directory tree, whatever works for you) there's very little reason to move pieces of it around. You identify images by keyword and IPTC metadata, you group images by using collections and collection sets, you track editing state by using flags/stars/labels. The original image files never have to move, these markings are simply annotations in the database. (This is completely different from a typical Photoshop workflow, which moves or copies files from bucket to bucket to track the state of the image editing.) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
