Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[P. J. Alling]

As a developer I understand this.  However there is a certain amount of 
leeway allowed.



On 2/27/2017 10:30 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

Tell it to Marketing.
Developers only do what they're told. :-)





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[Collin Brendemuehl]

Tell it to Marketing.
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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[John]

You should be able to disable that.

Go to the Tools menu & select Options. In the Option window select the
Composition tab & there should be a check box "Check for missing
attachments".

UN-check the box, click "Ok" and it should go away.

On 2/26/2017 9:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly an
annoyance from the past returned.

The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach"
and Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.

Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do it.

Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning it
off was easy this time.

But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my
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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[Bruce Walker]

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>
> As for smartphone annoyances, I basically ignore any updates. If an app
> works the way I want, I leave it alone.

I find that's critical. If you let the phone update, not only do apps
change in annoying ways, but each update takes more and more system
resources until eventually the phone starts hanging. Apps like
Facebook and the brand name browsers are especially bad for that.
Facebook introduced a separate Messenger app that floated little
bubbles on top of whatever you were doing and made it impossible to
use the freaking phone.

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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[Brian Walters]

As annoyances go, the attachment one doesn't bother me.

But, I agree with the sentiment.  There are plenty of other software
'improvements' that have me looking for some heavy object to throw at
the computer monitor (fortunately I don't leave any within easy reach).

As for smartphone annoyances, I basically ignore any updates. If an app
works the way I want, I leave it alone. 


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On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, at 04:34 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> Yes, but it's annoying when something you've used literally for years 
> starts working differently.
> 
> I was just forced by circumstance to get a smart phone.   I've only had 
> it for about a month and already an update removed an "unimportant" 
> feature that I'd found to be amazingly convenient in one of it's core 
> apps.   I actually sent in a complaint and was informed by the 
> development team that no one else complained.
> 
> This kind of crap is something I'd have been embarrassed by when I was 
> writing "shrink wrapped" code.
> 

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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[P. J. Alling]

The problem is unless you have the word attach, attached, attachment or 
some other keyword it recognizes you can still send an email without an 
attachment when you intended to.  The annoying part is it reminds you 
when you use one of those words and you /don't/ want to send an attachment.



On 2/26/2017 1:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
so I saw.. and replied.. of course it asked me if I forgot when I did 
that reply!
and as I said privately, I probably should leave it on since I'm 
actually quite likely to forgot to attach and attachment


ann

On 2/26/2017 1:28 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

AnnSan :-), I've just replied to you off-list, as I had to include the
screen-shot that shows what has to be done in order to turn this
feature off.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 8:23 PM, ann sanfedele  
wrote:

Yes.
how did you turn it off ? I have Thuderbird too

ann


On 2/26/2017 9:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and 
suddenly an

annoyance from the past returned.

The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string 
"attach" and

Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.

Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to 
do it.


Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least 
turning it

off was easy this time.

But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my 
experience

any more.




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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[P. J. Alling]

Boris probably sent you the same information.  But just in case, on the 
Menu, go to Tools->Options which opens a dialog box. Choose the 
Composition tab, un-check "Check for missing attachments.  Click OK.


The first time i did that I had to edit an ".ini" file, but of course 
Thunderbird called it something else with a different extension.



On 2/26/2017 1:23 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Yes.
how did you turn it off ? I have Thuderbird too

ann

On 2/26/2017 9:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly 
an annoyance from the past returned.


The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string 
"attach" and Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach 
something.


Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to 
do it.


Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning 
it off was easy this time.


But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my 
experience any more.









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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[ann sanfedele]

so I saw.. and replied.. of course it asked me if I forgot when I did 
that reply!
and as I said privately, I probably should leave it on since I'm 
actually quite likely to forgot to attach and attachment


ann

On 2/26/2017 1:28 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

AnnSan :-), I've just replied to you off-list, as I had to include the
screen-shot that shows what has to be done in order to turn this
feature off.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 8:23 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Yes.
how did you turn it off ? I have Thuderbird too

ann


On 2/26/2017 9:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly an
annoyance from the past returned.

The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach" and
Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.

Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do it.

Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning it
off was easy this time.

But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my experience
any more.




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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[Boris Liberman]

Peter, I find it worth my while to spend the time and get to know the
marvels of modern engineering that I live with - be it a cell phone or
any other thing for that matter. Having said that, I do admit that if
I have to switch from one appliance to another, say the same cell
phone - I always feel great deal of hesitation, because I get so used
to the way I configure and set it up so each such change makes me feel
reluctant to upgrade.

You mileage is of course different.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 7:34 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> Yes, but it's annoying when something you've used literally for years starts
> working differently.
>
> I was just forced by circumstance to get a smart phone.   I've only had it
> for about a month and already an update removed an "unimportant" feature
> that I'd found to be amazingly convenient in one of it's core apps.   I
> actually sent in a complaint and was informed by the development team that
> no one else complained.
>
> This kind of crap is something I'd have been embarrassed by when I was
> writing "shrink wrapped" code.
>
> On 2/26/2017 11:34 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>> Peter, this attachment things exists like forever... It saved my arse few
>> times. Though if course I manage to forget to attach the attachment
>> anyway.
>>
>> Speaking of UX in general, it's mostly improving with some occasional
>> hiccups...
>>
>> Just my cents...
>>
>> On 26 Feb 2017 16:45, "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
>>
>>> So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly an
>>> annoyance from the past returned.
>>>
>>> The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach"
>>> and
>>> Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.
>>>
>>> Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning it
>>> off was easy this time.
>>>
>>> But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my
>>> experience
>>> any more.
>>>
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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[Boris Liberman]

AnnSan :-), I've just replied to you off-list, as I had to include the
screen-shot that shows what has to be done in order to turn this
feature off.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 8:23 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> Yes.
> how did you turn it off ? I have Thuderbird too
>
> ann
>
>
> On 2/26/2017 9:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>> So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly an
>> annoyance from the past returned.
>>
>> The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach" and
>> Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.
>>
>> Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do it.
>>
>> Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning it
>> off was easy this time.
>>
>> But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my experience
>> any more.
>>
>>
>
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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[ann sanfedele]

Yes.
how did you turn it off ? I have Thuderbird too

ann

On 2/26/2017 9:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly 
an annoyance from the past returned.


The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach" 
and Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.


Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do 
it.


Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning 
it off was easy this time.


But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my 
experience any more.






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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[P. J. Alling]

Yes, but it's annoying when something you've used literally for years 
starts working differently.


I was just forced by circumstance to get a smart phone.   I've only had 
it for about a month and already an update removed an "unimportant" 
feature that I'd found to be amazingly convenient in one of it's core 
apps.   I actually sent in a complaint and was informed by the 
development team that no one else complained.


This kind of crap is something I'd have been embarrassed by when I was 
writing "shrink wrapped" code.


On 2/26/2017 11:34 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Peter, this attachment things exists like forever... It saved my arse few
times. Though if course I manage to forget to attach the attachment anyway.

Speaking of UX in general, it's mostly improving with some occasional
hiccups...

Just my cents...

On 26 Feb 2017 16:45, "P. J. Alling"  wrote:


So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly an
annoyance from the past returned.

The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach" and
Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.

Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do it.

Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning it
off was easy this time.

But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my experience
any more.


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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[P. J. Alling]

Yes that's right Thunderbird.  It's been divorced from Firefox for 
years, but you still remember they were once family.



On 2/26/2017 10:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

It's really too bad that there isn't some part of the Internet made
out of metal and wood, like vintage cameras. Stuff that is well built
and made to last, that you learn how to use and then they become
automatic in your hands.

The older I get, the more I agree with your complaint, PJ.


btw, I assume you are referring to Thunderbird? Firefox is that other
web browser; the one that isn't Chrome.


On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:44 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly an
annoyance from the past returned.

The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach" and
Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.

Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do it.

Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning it off
was easy this time.

But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my experience
any more.


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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[Boris Liberman]

Peter, this attachment things exists like forever... It saved my arse few
times. Though if course I manage to forget to attach the attachment anyway.

Speaking of UX in general, it's mostly improving with some occasional
hiccups...

Just my cents...

On 26 Feb 2017 16:45, "P. J. Alling"  wrote:

> So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly an
> annoyance from the past returned.
>
> The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach" and
> Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.
>
> Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do it.
>
> Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning it
> off was easy this time.
>
> But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my experience
> any more.
>
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Re: I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[Bruce Walker]

It's really too bad that there isn't some part of the Internet made
out of metal and wood, like vintage cameras. Stuff that is well built
and made to last, that you learn how to use and then they become
automatic in your hands.

The older I get, the more I agree with your complaint, PJ.


btw, I assume you are referring to Thunderbird? Firefox is that other
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On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:44 AM, P. J. Alling
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> So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly an
> annoyance from the past returned.
>
> The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach" and
> Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.
>
> Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do it.
>
> Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning it off
> was easy this time.
>
> But, does anyone else just want to say, please don't improve my experience
> any more.
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I wish that internet software developers would stop "improving" my experience.

[P. J. Alling]

So I've been using Firefox for years as my email client, and suddenly an 
annoyance from the past returned.


The attachment reminder.  Use a word that includes the string "attach" 
and Firefox used to annoyingly ask if you forgot to attach something.


Back then it wasn't that easy to turn off, but I figured out how to do it.

Now, it has come back, with the most recent update.  At least turning it 
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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 White balance lens cap...
 
 http://www.adorama.com/searchsite/default.aspx?searchinfo=vivicap

I've got something like that, but I find reflective white balance cards work a 
lot better for me.

 

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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

[Derby Chang]

How about

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/716958-REG/WhiBal_WB7_KC_G7_Key_Chain_White.html



On 8/01/2013 5:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger than a business 
card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in 
weird lighting than in standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently 
realized that it would be really handy if the edges of the grey card were marked in inches and 
fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the other.  That way, when I take a photo of it next 
to a flower, or a bug, to get a white balance reference, I'd also have something to give a good 
size reference.
The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
markings along the edge.

Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% neutral 
grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with me.

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On Jan 8, 2013, at 2:59 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

 
 How about
 
 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/716958-REG/WhiBal_WB7_KC_G7_Key_Chain_White.html

That looks good, though I'd probably want the slightly larger one:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/768395-REG/WhiBal_WB7_PC_G7_White_Balance_Pocket.html

Unfortunately, it only has the distance scale on the short end.

 
 
 
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 I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger 
 than a business card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance 
 reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in weird lighting than in 
 standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently realized that it 
 would be really handy if the edges of the grey card were marked in inches 
 and fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the other.  That way, when I 
 take a photo of it next to a flower, or a bug, to get a white balance 
 reference, I'd also have something to give a good size reference.
 The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
 markings along the edge.
 
 Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% neutral 
 grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with me.
 
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Photo gadgets that I wish they made

[Bipin Gupta]

Hello Larry, just take a fine point permanent marker, a millimeter
scale and mark your own scale on the card. To make it look pro, first
mark 3-horizontal guide lines with a pencil. Use the outer lines for
the centimeter mark and the top + center lines for the millimeter
mark.
And presto you have what you need for your macro work.
Regards. Bipin.
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RE: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen


I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit
larger than a business card.  I frequently use them to get a white
balance reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in weird lighting
than in standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently
realized that it would be really handy if the edges of the grey card
were marked in inches and fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the
other.  That way, when I take a photo of it next to a flower, or a
bug, to get a white balance reference, I'd also have something to
give a good size reference. The ideal would be to have a grid of
inches or cms, with the fractional markings along the edge.

Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18%
neutral grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference
with me.


Ask and you shall receive:

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/content_images_2/colorchecker-passport/3-way-open.jpg

The X-rite Color Checker Passport has a scale along one edge  the 
squares are all the same size which provides the grid.


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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

[kwaller]

Larry - there's nothing new under the sun - back in 1988, when I started 
doing vehicle inspections for product litigation, I used plastic 6 rulers 
with eight of an inch markings along one edge  the other edge marked in 
metric - while the entire ruler was essentially a grey card. With 2 of these 
in an image, at right angles, you not only could attain proper colors but 
also get accurate dimensions in 2 directions.


They are available at -
http://www.crimescene.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=53products_id=391

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com

Subject: Photo gadgets that I wish they made


I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger 
than a business card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance 
reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in weird lighting than in 
standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently realized that it 
would be really handy if the edges of the grey card were marked in inches 
and fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the other.  That way, when I 
take a photo of it next to a flower, or a bug, to get a white balance 
reference, I'd also have something to give a good size reference.
The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
markings along the edge.


Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% 
neutral grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with 
me.


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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 8, 2013, at 1:21 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

 Larry - there's nothing new under the sun - back in 1988, when I started 
 doing vehicle inspections for product litigation, I used plastic 6 rulers 
 with eight of an inch markings along one edge  the other edge marked in 
 metric - while the entire ruler was essentially a grey card. With 2 of these 
 in an image, at right angles, you not only could attain proper colors but 
 also get accurate dimensions in 2 directions.
 
 They are available at -
 http://www.crimescene.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=53products_id=391

Excellent!  Thanks!

 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
 
 - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
 Subject: Photo gadgets that I wish they made
 
 
 I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger 
 than a business card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance 
 reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in weird lighting than in 
 standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently realized that it 
 would be really handy if the edges of the grey card were marked in inches 
 and fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the other.  That way, when I 
 take a photo of it next to a flower, or a bug, to get a white balance 
 reference, I'd also have something to give a good size reference.
 The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
 markings along the edge.
 
 Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% neutral 
 grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with me.
 
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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

 Hello Larry, just take a fine point permanent marker, a millimeter
 scale and mark your own scale on the card. To make it look pro, first
 mark 3-horizontal guide lines with a pencil. Use the outer lines for
 the centimeter mark and the top + center lines for the millimeter
 mark.
 And presto you have what you need for your macro work.

That's pretty much what I did, though not quite as cleanly as that.

 

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Photo gadgets that I wish they made

[Larry Colen]

I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger than a 
business card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance reference, since 
I'm more likely to shoot in weird lighting than in standard light, such as 
sunlight, or flash.  I recently realized that it would be really handy if the 
edges of the grey card were marked in inches and fractions on one side, and cms 
 mms on the other.  That way, when I take a photo of it next to a flower, or a 
bug, to get a white balance reference, I'd also have something to give a good 
size reference.
The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
markings along the edge.

Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% neutral 
grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with me.

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Re: Photo gadgets that I wish they made

[Paul Sorenson]

White balance lens cap...

http://www.adorama.com/searchsite/default.aspx?searchinfo=vivicap

and of course, there's ExpoDisc...but that's not cheap.

-p

On 1/8/2013 12:29 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I've got a set of greycards (white, grey,  black) that are a bit larger than a business 
card.  I frequently use them to get a white balance reference, since I'm more likely to shoot in 
weird lighting than in standard light, such as sunlight, or flash.  I recently 
realized that it would be really handy if the edges of the grey card were marked in inches and 
fractions on one side, and cms  mms on the other.  That way, when I take a photo of it next 
to a flower, or a bug, to get a white balance reference, I'd also have something to give a good 
size reference.
The ideal would be to have a grid of inches or cms, with the fractional 
markings along the edge.

Speaking of grey cards,  I really wish I could get lens caps, in 18% neutral 
grey.  That way, I'd always have my white balance reference with me.

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Re: the body I wish pentax would build

[Darren Addy]

As long as we are WISHING, wouldn't it be cool if Pentax would take
the knowledge they achieve from building the 645D and offer a 645
digital back for the 67?

Obviously, 67 equipment prices would rise but I think there would be a
not-insignificant number of  people who would pay $3k-4k to make a 67
digital with a sensor size larger than FF DSLRs (even if it was with
full manual exposure and focusing). I don't think it would cannibalize
645D sales, since the 645D offers AF and auto-exposure and all that
good stuff.

Never happen but we can wish

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Re: the body I wish pentax would build

[Darren Addy]

I think the discussion of bodies is a good direction.
If Pentax could take everything they have learned and executed up
until now (in the K-5) and add a few features:

USB 3.0 connectivity
A second card slot
A built-in intervalometer
An articulating live view screen

The most radical idea (that NO one has done yet, to my knowledge)...
an IR block that can be flipped-up or slid out of the way for infrared
shooting. If implemented, this should not be off the sensor when
lenses are removed from the body. (Pressing the unlock lens button
should automatically re-engage it). It would be interesting to have
the capability to automatically shift the focus in the AF for infrared
with Pentax DA lenses also. This would make this model especially
attractive to the astrophotography market, which Pentax seems to be
acknowledging with their GPS unit.

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Re: the body I wish pentax would build

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Sony had the night mode on several fixed lens video and still
cameras in the early 2000s which flipped the IR-block filter out of
the way of the sensor. Then the product liability suits rolled in when
users discovered that nylon fabrics are essentially transparent to IR
illumination and thousands of peepers at the beach had the opportunity
to photograph people in see-through bathing suits. Sony responded by
crippling the night-mode at first (it could only be used with the lens
wide open and at exposure times between 1/30-1/60 second, effectively
destroying pictures at the sunny beach) and later dropped it entirely.

I doubt any manufacturer is going to put that into a consumer camera
again as a standard function any time soon. An expensive, special
purpose astronomical camera ... sure. Astronomers rarely spend their
time peeping at nekkid girls on the beach because they're sleeping
during daylight hours ... ];-)


On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think the discussion of bodies is a good direction.
 If Pentax could take everything they have learned and executed up
 until now (in the K-5) and add a few features:

 USB 3.0 connectivity
 A second card slot
 A built-in intervalometer
 An articulating live view screen

 The most radical idea (that NO one has done yet, to my knowledge)...
 an IR block that can be flipped-up or slid out of the way for infrared
 shooting. If implemented, this should not be off the sensor when
 lenses are removed from the body. (Pressing the unlock lens button
 should automatically re-engage it). It would be interesting to have
 the capability to automatically shift the focus in the AF for infrared
 with Pentax DA lenses also. This would make this model especially
 attractive to the astrophotography market, which Pentax seems to be
 acknowledging with their GPS unit.

 Darren Addy
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Re: the body I wish pentax would build

[Paul Sorenson]

Hm.  The K-5 already has the intervalometer. See pg 152 in the manual)
http://www.pentaximaging.com/support/manuals-and-literature/

The second card slot would be nice, the articulating screen even better.

Not so sure about USB 3 - card readers are cheap.

-p

On 9/12/2011 1:15 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

I think the discussion of bodies is a good direction.
If Pentax could take everything they have learned and executed up
until now (in the K-5) and add a few features:

USB 3.0 connectivity
A second card slot
A built-in intervalometer
An articulating live view screen

The most radical idea (that NO one has done yet, to my knowledge)...
an IR block that can be flipped-up or slid out of the way for infrared
shooting. If implemented, this should not be off the sensor when
lenses are removed from the body. (Pressing the unlock lens button
should automatically re-engage it). It would be interesting to have
the capability to automatically shift the focus in the AF for infrared
with Pentax DA lenses also. This would make this model especially
attractive to the astrophotography market, which Pentax seems to be
acknowledging with their GPS unit.

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the body I wish pentax would build

[Collin Brendemuehl]

We talked about lenses but there is something needed in bodires.
I was remimded of this recently when my son got his hands
on a Fiji GA645.  I had forgotten how nice that vertical frame
was for shooting people.
What Pentax could do is (a) rotate the frame to a vertical
orientation or (b) create a square sensor.  (A) would be great for shootimg 
people
and (b) would fill the Blad niche.  (A) would excite me.

Sincerely,

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Re: the body I wish pentax would build

[Paul Stenquist]

On Sep 11, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

 We talked about lenses but there is something needed in bodires.
 I was remimded of this recently when my son got his hands
 on a Fiji GA645.  I had forgotten how nice that vertical frame
 was for shooting people.

You can rotate the camera yourself. Just turn it 90 degrees counterclockwise. 
And if you have the battery grip, you'll have controls and a shutter button 
right up there on top.

Paul
 What Pentax could do is (a) rotate the frame to a vertical
 orientation or (b) create a square sensor.  (A) would be great for shootimg 
 people
 and (b) would fill the Blad niche.  (A) would excite me.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Collin Brendemuehl 
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Re: I wish........

[AlunFoto]

2011/1/20 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
 I'm now in back up heaven.

Must be better than backup hell, at least?
Hope you retrieve the images smoothly.

Jostein

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Re: I wish........

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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:30 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 2011/1/20 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
 I'm now in back up heaven.

 Must be better than backup hell, at least?
 Hope you retrieve the images smoothly.

 Jostein

Retrieving smoothly, but my early archives are not as organized as my
recent ones, if you know what i'm getting at.

Dave

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I wish........

[David J Brooks]

...the horse farm we are associated with had asked for
pictures for their web site ~before~ I got rid of the PC,.

I'm now in back up heaven.

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Re: I Wish

[John Sessoms]

From: Walter Gilbert


  It's my understanding that, in the British system, unlike in the US,
the loser of the case is responsible for the legal fees and court costs
of the winner.  That would tend to make their system more workable, an d
would almost certainly make them more likely to foot the bill for the
highest-paid law firm in Detroit, knowing they wouldn't have to pay for
the other guy's representation if they lost.

Of course, my understanding could be way off-base.  But, it seems like I
read that somewhere.


There are some places in the U.S. system where loser pays applies. 
That's one of the arguments for registering your copyrights, because 
that's one of those places.


You still don't want to go to court if you can find a way to enforce 
your rights without it, but it's there if you can't find any other way.


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Re: I Wish

[John Sessoms]

From: Jack Davis


It's my understanding (in some cases I know to be correct) that in
USA civil cases, court costs and attorney's fees are included in the
award. How common this is, is not known to me.

Jack


I believe that applies to some cases brought in federal courts. May also 
apply in some state courts, but not necessarily in all of them.


The guy I knew never got to court. Case was never heard on the merits, 
which favored him.


Gateway2000 got a judge to issue an injunction barring him from using 
his own domain while the case was under litigation.


He was bankrupted before he ever got a hearing.

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Re: I Wish

[David Mann]

On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:58 AM, paul stenquist wrote:

 I don't think continuous autofocus is predictive. It just continues to adjust 
 focus as the shutter button is held down at least half way. I think that if 
 it were predictive, it would work only for one rate of subject movement.

The Z-1p had predictive AF (I just checked the manual).  So I hope the DSLRs 
have it!  There shouldn't be any reason why you couldn't track an accelerating 
subject, unless the sensors impose a limitation of some kind.

I'm starting to get frustrated with my K10D because it seems to be trying to 
focus beyond infinity with wide-angle lenses, when I try and focus on distant 
subjects.  Might need to have it looked at because I have it set to only 
release the shutter if it's in focus, while in AF-S mode.  So I have to use 
AF-C a lot more.

Cheers,
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Re: I Wish

[eckinator]

ouch... what a long list of unhappened 645Ds. I'll add that I am one
behind because my insurance company gave me bad advice and my sick pay
was € 9900 too low over the past 11 months which pretty much makes
/my/ 645D a non-reality... grrr
Ecke

2010/12/11 David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz:
 On Dec 11, 2010, at 5:58 AM, paul stenquist wrote:

 I don't think continuous autofocus is predictive. It just continues to 
 adjust focus as the shutter button is held down at least half way. I think 
 that if it were predictive, it would work only for one rate of subject 
 movement.

 The Z-1p had predictive AF (I just checked the manual).  So I hope the DSLRs 
 have it!  There shouldn't be any reason why you couldn't track an 
 accelerating subject, unless the sensors impose a limitation of some kind.

 I'm starting to get frustrated with my K10D because it seems to be trying to 
 focus beyond infinity with wide-angle lenses, when I try and focus on distant 
 subjects.  Might need to have it looked at because I have it set to only 
 release the shutter if it's in focus, while in AF-S mode.  So I have to use 
 AF-C a lot more.

 Cheers,
 Dave


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Re: I Wish

[paul stenquist]

Thanks Jack. Yeah, the talk about big expenditures just reminded me of it. But 
it's water under the bridge, and Grace is a joy. It does me no good to dwell on 
it.
Paul

On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Your success in rescuing your grand daughter for your daughter as well as 
 yourself is priceless. I completely get that the cost/funds imbalance was 
 extremely unfair and difficult to understand.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 5:12 PM
 It was certainly the best possible
 outcome. But the British government's mindless funding of
 any citizen who wants to take legal action is indefensible.
 And having to compete with the UK
 s financial resources makes it less than a bargain.
 Paul
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
 I know you agree that you got a real bargain and
 certainly the best possible outcome.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
 From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 3:37 PM
 I could have had six 645Ds for what
 it cost me to save Grace from her drunken
 wife-beating
 father and the British legal aid idiocy.
 Paul
 
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:
 
 
 Well, if we're going to one-up each other:
 
 I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow
 what we
 spent
 on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a
 problem with
 the
 heating which meant it was time to do the
 re-ducting
 that
 we'd been putting off for years, and a small
 number of
 old
 windows to be replaced before the tax credit
 ran out.
 That
 would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips
 
 DA* zooms.
 
 This would have been a bit less of an issue if
 my wife
 hadn't
 been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job
 she's
 had for
 the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought
 her the
 E-PL1).
 No cause for panic, but it does mean
 discretionary
 spending
 doesn't run to four-figure toys at the
 moment.
 
 
 .
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600,
 Paul
 Sorenson wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before
 the end
 of the year we're
 supposed to be getting new windows. 
 That's
 *four* K-5s that could
 have been under the tree. :-(
 
 -p
 
 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker
 wrote:
 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence
 of pure
 studliness do you
 need? The K-5 is near-perfect and
 everyone
 should have one. Put
 the reviews down and get out your
 wallet.
 
 The only reason there won't be one
 under my
 Xmas tree this year is
 that we are getting a new floor for
 the
 house. I could have
 bought a 645D for what that's setting
 us
 back.
 
 -bmw
 
 
 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis
 wrote:
 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to
 be
 reading the K-5 manual in
 not too long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews
 and
 additional feed back from the PDML.
 
 Jack
 
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 Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
 
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 From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: I Wish
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 Date: Friday, December 10,
 2010, 9:08
 AM
 Isn't there a custom setting
 for
 something like that?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: I Wish

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before the end of the year we're supposed to be
 getting new windows.  That's *four* K-5s that could have been under the
 tree. :-(

 -p

I had my heating and air guy in on Thursday to clean the gas furnace.
His assessment was its just about ready to fail, cracks are eminent.
He is going to try and do the work next week, depending on avalability.

That will cost about a D3.

Dave


 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure studliness do you need? The
 K-5 is near-perfect and everyone should have one. Put the reviews down and
 get out your wallet.

 The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree this year is that
 we are getting a new floor for the house. I could have bought a 645D for
 what that's setting us back.

 -bmw


 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5 manual in not too
 long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed back from the PDML.

 Jack

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 Subject: Re: I Wish
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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08 AM
 Isn't there a custom setting for
 something like that?





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Re: I Wish

[John Sessoms]

From: John Francis


It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
out of just about any situation.


My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in response 
to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant should have 
access to adequate legal counsel.


The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British didn't 
make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And they 
actually put some teeth in their law.


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RE: I Wish

[Bob W]

  It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
  than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
  which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
  out of just about any situation.
 
 My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in response
 to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant should have
 access to adequate legal counsel.
 
 The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British
 didn't
 make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And they
 actually put some teeth in their law.

they did make a distinction. There are different rules and entitlements
applying to criminal and civil law and different organisations dealing with
each branch.
http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp

Any human system which tries to be just is subject to freeloaders, to people
whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people we just plain don't like
such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price of trying to be a just
society. One that I personally don't mind paying provided there are
reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few freeloaders.

In addition to that, the rates paid to lawyers working under the scheme are
fixed by parliament, so it doesn't matter how much the law firm may charge
for private work. For legal aid work they get the same rate as everyone
else. Having said that, plenty of lawyers have become millionaires from
legal aid work, so they're not paying peanuts.

B


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RE: I Wish

[John Sessoms]

From: Bob W


It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
  than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
  which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
  out of just about any situation.


 My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in response
 to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant should have
 access to adequate legal counsel.

 The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British
 didn't
 make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And they
 actually put some teeth in their law.


they did make a distinction. There are different rules and entitlements
applying to criminal and civil law and different organisations dealing with
each branch.
http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp


What I meant is the British applied the concept that no one should be 
denied effective legal representation just because they can't afford to 
pay a lawyer to civil law as well as criminal cases.


They did not limit it to criminal defendants the way the U.S. Supreme 
Court decision did. In the U.S. you can still be cheated of justice in 
civil matters simply because you don't have as much money to pay lawyers 
as the other side does.


Civil litigation is expensive, and someone with enough money can screw 
you in court - burying you in lawyers, forcing you to choose between 
bankruptcy or surrender. Sometimes both.


It happened to someone I know.

He was a one man shop working on computer networks starting the early 
80s. When the internet began to open up to commercial operations, he 
registered his domain name as gateway.net.


Later a company in South Dakota chose the name Gateway2000. In the late 
90s they realized the 2000 part of their name was getting ready to 
become obsolete, and changed their name to Gateway.


They offered my friend $1000 for the domain name he had been using for 
15 years, and when he declined to sell, they sued him for trademark 
infringement. Buried him in lawyers.


The first thing they did was seek an injunction to prohibit him from 
using his domain name until the case was settled. An injunction the 
court granted despite his showing that he had been doing business as 
Gateway, using the domain name gateway.net a decade before the 
Gateway2000 company was incorporated, and long before they decided to 
change their name to simply Gateway.


Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the court. Their lawyers 
shopped around until they found a judge who would grant the injunction.


Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to buy justice; or 
more properly, to deny justice to my acquaintance.


Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and won't buy anything 
from them. And since Acer now owns Gateway, screw them too!



Any human system which tries to be just is subject to freeloaders, to people
whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people we just plain don't like
such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price of trying to be a just
society. One that I personally don't mind paying provided there are
reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few freeloaders.


I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above, I don't think 
it's a good idea for justice to be for sale to the highest bidder.



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Re: I Wish

[John Francis]

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 09:39:07AM -0500, John Sessoms wrote:
 From: John Francis
 
 It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
 than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
 which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
 out of just about any situation.
 
 My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in
 response to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant
 should have access to adequate legal counsel.
 
 The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British
 didn't make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And
 they actually put some teeth in their law.

That may be one part of it.  Another part is that the British setup
will generally handle something like a custody hearing in a lower
court, so the costs are a lot more reasonable.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that Paul didn't get a raw deal
from the way the system worked in his particular case. But this was
an outlier case, complicated by the fact that a minor child appears
to have been removed from the jurisdiction of the appropriate court
without the proper formalities.  This in itself could be enough to
guarantee legal support for a British citizen claiming parental
rights, not to mention the fact that the cornerstone of many legal
systems, the presumption of innocence, is only worth anything if
it is applied to all without pre-judging how deserving they are.

It's easy to support a principle if you agree with the beneficiary.
The true test is if you can support someone you personally dislike.
As Voltaire probably didn't actually state: I disagree with what
you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.



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Re: I Wish

[Walter Gilbert]

 It's my understanding that, in the British system, unlike in the US, 
the loser of the case is responsible for the legal fees and court costs 
of the winner.  That would tend to make their system more workable, an d 
would almost certainly make them more likely to foot the bill for the 
highest-paid law firm in Detroit, knowing they wouldn't have to pay for 
the other guy's representation if they lost.


Of course, my understanding could be way off-base.  But, it seems like I 
read that somewhere.


-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 12:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Bob W


It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
  than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
  which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
  out of just about any situation.


 My understanding is the British law in this case is sort of in 
response
 to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision that EVERY defendant should 
have

 access to adequate legal counsel.

 The U.S. decision applied only to criminal cases, but the British
 didn't
 make that distinction when Parliament passed their law. And they
 actually put some teeth in their law.


they did make a distinction. There are different rules and entitlements
applying to criminal and civil law and different organisations 
dealing with

each branch.
http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp


What I meant is the British applied the concept that no one should be 
denied effective legal representation just because they can't afford 
to pay a lawyer to civil law as well as criminal cases.


They did not limit it to criminal defendants the way the U.S. Supreme 
Court decision did. In the U.S. you can still be cheated of justice in 
civil matters simply because you don't have as much money to pay 
lawyers as the other side does.


Civil litigation is expensive, and someone with enough money can screw 
you in court - burying you in lawyers, forcing you to choose between 
bankruptcy or surrender. Sometimes both.


It happened to someone I know.

He was a one man shop working on computer networks starting the early 
80s. When the internet began to open up to commercial operations, he 
registered his domain name as gateway.net.


Later a company in South Dakota chose the name Gateway2000. In the 
late 90s they realized the 2000 part of their name was getting ready 
to become obsolete, and changed their name to Gateway.


They offered my friend $1000 for the domain name he had been using for 
15 years, and when he declined to sell, they sued him for trademark 
infringement. Buried him in lawyers.


The first thing they did was seek an injunction to prohibit him from 
using his domain name until the case was settled. An injunction the 
court granted despite his showing that he had been doing business as 
Gateway, using the domain name gateway.net a decade before the 
Gateway2000 company was incorporated, and long before they decided to 
change their name to simply Gateway.


Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the court. Their 
lawyers shopped around until they found a judge who would grant the 
injunction.


Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to buy justice; 
or more properly, to deny justice to my acquaintance.


Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and won't buy anything 
from them. And since Acer now owns Gateway, screw them too!


Any human system which tries to be just is subject to freeloaders, to 
people
whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people we just plain don't 
like
such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price of trying to be a 
just

society. One that I personally don't mind paying provided there are
reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few freeloaders.


I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above, I don't think 
it's a good idea for justice to be for sale to the highest bidder.






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Re: I Wish

[Keith Whaley]

John Sessoms wrote:

[...]

Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the court. Their lawyers 
shopped around until they found a judge who would grant the injunction.


Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to buy justice; or 
more properly, to deny justice to my acquaintance.


Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and won't buy anything 
from them. And since Acer now owns Gateway, screw them too!


Any human system which tries to be just is subject to freeloaders, to 
people

whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people we just plain don't like
such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price of trying to be a just
society. One that I personally don't mind paying provided there are
reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few freeloaders.


I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above, I don't think 
it's a good idea for justice to be for sale to the highest bidder.



I totally agree! Thanks or the true story. Good to know...

keith whaley

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Re: I Wish

[Jack Davis]

It's my understanding (in some cases I know to be correct) that in USA civil 
cases, court costs and attorney's fees are included in the award. How common 
this is, is not known to me.

Jack

--- On Sat, 12/11/10, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 10:16 AM
  It's my understanding that, in the
 British system, unlike in the US, the loser of the case is
 responsible for the legal fees and court costs of the
 winner.  That would tend to make their system more
 workable, an d would almost certainly make them more likely
 to foot the bill for the highest-paid law firm in Detroit,
 knowing they wouldn't have to pay for the other guy's
 representation if they lost.
 
 Of course, my understanding could be way off-base. 
 But, it seems like I read that somewhere.
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 12/11/2010 12:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
  From: Bob W
  
  It's a philosophical difference, and no
 more indefensible
than the US system of one law
 for the rich, one for the poor
which allows those with deep
 enough pockets to buy their way
out of just about any
 situation.
  
   My understanding is the British law in
 this case is sort of in response
   to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision
 that EVERY defendant should have
   access to adequate legal counsel.
  
   The U.S. decision applied only to
 criminal cases, but the British
   didn't
   make that distinction when Parliament
 passed their law. And they
   actually put some teeth in their law.
  
  they did make a distinction. There are different
 rules and entitlements
  applying to criminal and civil law and different
 organisations dealing with
  each branch.
  http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp
  
  What I meant is the British applied the concept that
 no one should be denied effective legal representation just
 because they can't afford to pay a lawyer to civil law as
 well as criminal cases.
  
  They did not limit it to criminal defendants the way
 the U.S. Supreme Court decision did. In the U.S. you can
 still be cheated of justice in civil matters simply because
 you don't have as much money to pay lawyers as the other
 side does.
  
  Civil litigation is expensive, and someone with enough
 money can screw you in court - burying you in lawyers,
 forcing you to choose between bankruptcy or surrender.
 Sometimes both.
  
  It happened to someone I know.
  
  He was a one man shop working on computer networks
 starting the early 80s. When the internet began to open up
 to commercial operations, he registered his domain name as
 gateway.net.
  
  Later a company in South Dakota chose the name
 Gateway2000. In the late 90s they realized the 2000 part of
 their name was getting ready to become obsolete, and changed
 their name to Gateway.
  
  They offered my friend $1000 for the domain name he
 had been using for 15 years, and when he declined to sell,
 they sued him for trademark infringement. Buried him in
 lawyers.
  
  The first thing they did was seek an injunction to
 prohibit him from using his domain name until the case was
 settled. An injunction the court granted despite his showing
 that he had been doing business as Gateway, using the domain
 name gateway.net a decade before the Gateway2000 company was
 incorporated, and long before they decided to change their
 name to simply Gateway.
  
  Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the
 court. Their lawyers shopped around until they found a judge
 who would grant the injunction.
  
  Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to
 buy justice; or more properly, to deny justice to my
 acquaintance.
  
  Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and
 won't buy anything from them. And since Acer now owns
 Gateway, screw them too!
  
  Any human system which tries to be just is subject
 to freeloaders, to people
  whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people
 we just plain don't like
  such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price
 of trying to be a just
  society. One that I personally don't mind paying
 provided there are
  reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few
 freeloaders.
  
  I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above,
 I don't think it's a good idea for justice to be for sale
 to the highest bidder.
  
  
 
 
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Re: I Wish

[Walter Gilbert]

 It varies from one state to the next, and from one jurisdiction 
(district or circuit level) to the next.  In some cases, it's up to the 
judge's discretion, and in others, it's the jury's.  State courts have a 
huge degree of autonomy, even down to the very basis of legal precedent 
-- in most US states, law is based on British common law, whereas, in 
Louisiana, it's French common law.


-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 1:41 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

It's my understanding (in some cases I know to be correct) that in USA civil 
cases, court costs and attorney's fees are included in the award. How common 
this is, is not known to me.

Jack

--- On Sat, 12/11/10, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:


From: Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I Wish
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 10:16 AM
  It's my understanding that, in the
British system, unlike in the US, the loser of the case is
responsible for the legal fees and court costs of the
winner.  That would tend to make their system more
workable, an d would almost certainly make them more likely
to foot the bill for the highest-paid law firm in Detroit,
knowing they wouldn't have to pay for the other guy's
representation if they lost.

Of course, my understanding could be way off-base. 
But, it seems like I read that somewhere.


-- Walt

On 12/11/2010 12:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Bob W


It's a philosophical difference, and no

more indefensible

than the US system of one law

for the rich, one for the poor

which allows those with deep

enough pockets to buy their way

out of just about any

situation.

My understanding is the British law in

this case is sort of in response

to an old U.S. Supreme Court decision

that EVERY defendant should have

access to adequate legal counsel.

The U.S. decision applied only to

criminal cases, but the British

didn't
make that distinction when Parliament

passed their law. And they

actually put some teeth in their law.

they did make a distinction. There are different

rules and entitlements

applying to criminal and civil law and different

organisations dealing with

each branch.
http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/default.asp

What I meant is the British applied the concept that

no one should be denied effective legal representation just
because they can't afford to pay a lawyer to civil law as
well as criminal cases.

They did not limit it to criminal defendants the way

the U.S. Supreme Court decision did. In the U.S. you can
still be cheated of justice in civil matters simply because
you don't have as much money to pay lawyers as the other
side does.

Civil litigation is expensive, and someone with enough

money can screw you in court - burying you in lawyers,
forcing you to choose between bankruptcy or surrender.
Sometimes both.

It happened to someone I know.

He was a one man shop working on computer networks

starting the early 80s. When the internet began to open up
to commercial operations, he registered his domain name as
gateway.net.

Later a company in South Dakota chose the name

Gateway2000. In the late 90s they realized the 2000 part of
their name was getting ready to become obsolete, and changed
their name to Gateway.

They offered my friend $1000 for the domain name he

had been using for 15 years, and when he declined to sell,
they sued him for trademark infringement. Buried him in
lawyers.

The first thing they did was seek an injunction to

prohibit him from using his domain name until the case was
settled. An injunction the court granted despite his showing
that he had been doing business as Gateway, using the domain
name gateway.net a decade before the Gateway2000 company was
incorporated, and long before they decided to change their
name to simply Gateway.

Gateway2000 had the money, and were able to buy the

court. Their lawyers shopped around until they found a judge
who would grant the injunction.

Bankrupted him. Gateway used their financial muscle to

buy justice; or more properly, to deny justice to my
acquaintance.

Which, BTW, is why I never recommend Gateway, and

won't buy anything from them. And since Acer now owns
Gateway, screw them too!

Any human system which tries to be just is subject

to freeloaders, to people

whose entitlement may seem unfair, and to people

we just plain don't like

such as wife-beaters, but that's part of the price

of trying to be a just

society. One that I personally don't mind paying

provided there are

reasonable efforts to identify and deter the few

freeloaders.

I'm not criticizing it. As you might infer from above,

I don't think it's a good idea for justice to be for sale
to the highest bidder.




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I Wish

[Jack Davis]

I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I could 
disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved. Still, for special 
affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
Make sense to anyone else?

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Re: I Wish

[David J Brooks]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I could 
 disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved. Still, for special 
 affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
 Make sense to anyone else?

 Jack

It does to me, so be afraid.

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Re: I Wish

[Jack Davis]

I knew I could count on you, Dave. Actually calmed my fears. :)

Jack

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 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 7:48 AM
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:21 AM,
 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting
 available wherein I could disallow the shutter's releasing
 unless focus is achieved. Still, for special affects,
 re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
  Make sense to anyone else?
 
  Jack
 
 It does to me, so be afraid.
 
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Re: I Wish

[Adam Maas]

There isn't one? It's an option on the higher-end Canon and Nikon bodies.

-Adam

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I could 
 disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved. Still, for special 
 affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
 Make sense to anyone else?

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Re: I Wish

[Dario Bonazza]

Jack Davis wrote:

I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I could 
disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved. Still, for 
special affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority 
option.

Make sense to anyone else?


The K-5 has it. About AF-C, you can select between Focus Priority and FPS 
Priority (meaning shutter priority).


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Re: I Wish

[Mark Roberts]

Jack Davis wrote:

I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I could 
disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved. Still, for special 
affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
Make sense to anyone else?

How would that work? AF-C is for predictive autofocus of moving
subjects so, by definition, it has to fire when the subject isn't in
focus (choosing the proper delay so that - if all goes well - the
subject will be in focus by the time the mirror goes up and the
shutter opens).


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Re: I Wish

[paul stenquist]

The K-5 allows you to prioritize focus or shooting speed in continuous 
autofocus. Choosing focus priority tends to make focus lock more likely in 
continuous shooting, although it's no guarantee that every frame will be in 
focus. 
Paul
On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

 I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I could 
 disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved. Still, for special 
 affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
 Make sense to anyone else?
 
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Re: I Wish

[Jack Davis]

I haven't purchased the K-5..yet(?) I'm using the K1020

Jack

--- On Fri, 12/10/10, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:

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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:32 AM
 There isn't one? It's an option on
 the higher-end Canon and Nikon bodies.
 
 -Adam
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting
 available wherein I could disallow the shutter's releasing
 unless focus is achieved. Still, for special affects,
 re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
  Make sense to anyone else?
 
  Jack
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: I Wish

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On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I could 
 disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved. Still, for 
 special affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
 Make sense to anyone else?
 
 How would that work? AF-C is for predictive autofocus of moving
 subjects so, by definition, it has to fire when the subject isn't in
 focus (choosing the proper delay so that - if all goes well - the
 subject will be in focus by the time the mirror goes up and the
 shutter opens).
 
I don't think continuous autofocus is predictive. It just continues to adjust 
focus as the shutter button is held down at least half way. I think that if it 
were predictive, it would work only for one rate of subject movement. By 
prioritizing focus over speed, it will delay firing in machine-gun mode until 
it thinks it has a lock.
Paul
 
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Re: I Wish

[Jack Davis]

GOOD! Thanks, Dario.

Jack

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 Subject: Re: I Wish
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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:42 AM
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
  I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting
 available wherein I could disallow the shutter's releasing
 unless focus is achieved. Still, for special affects,
 re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
  Make sense to anyone else?
 
 The K-5 has it. About AF-C, you can select between Focus
 Priority and FPS Priority (meaning shutter priority).
 
 Dario 
 
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Re: I Wish

[Jack Davis]

It would need sufficient AF speed to allow refocusing tweaks. 
So, is Dario wrong about the K-5 having said feature?

Jack

--- On Fri, 12/10/10, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:

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 Subject: Re: I Wish
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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:45 AM
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting
 available wherein I could disallow the shutter's releasing
 unless focus is achieved. Still, for special affects,
 re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
 Make sense to anyone else?
 
 How would that work? AF-C is for predictive autofocus of
 moving
 subjects so, by definition, it has to fire when the subject
 isn't in
 focus (choosing the proper delay so that - if all goes well
 - the
 subject will be in focus by the time the mirror goes up and
 the
 shutter opens).
 
 
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Re: I Wish

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Paul. I get that. Increased possibility of focus is the idea.

Jack

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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:55 AM
 The K-5 allows you to prioritize
 focus or shooting speed in continuous autofocus. Choosing
 focus priority tends to make focus lock more likely in
 continuous shooting, although it's no guarantee that every
 frame will be in focus. 
 Paul
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting
 available wherein I could disallow the shutter's releasing
 unless focus is achieved. Still, for special affects,
 re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
  Make sense to anyone else?
  
  Jack 
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: I Wish

[Steven Desjardins]

Isn't there a custom setting for something like that?

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 It would need sufficient AF speed to allow refocusing tweaks.
 So, is Dario wrong about the K-5 having said feature?

 Jack

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 Subject: Re: I Wish
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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:45 AM
 Jack Davis wrote:

 I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting
 available wherein I could disallow the shutter's releasing
 unless focus is achieved. Still, for special affects,
 re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
 Make sense to anyone else?

 How would that work? AF-C is for predictive autofocus of
 moving
 subjects so, by definition, it has to fire when the subject
 isn't in
 focus (choosing the proper delay so that - if all goes well
 - the
 subject will be in focus by the time the mirror goes up and
 the
 shutter opens).


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Re: I Wish

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Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5 manual in not too long.
Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed back from the PDML.

Jack

--- On Fri, 12/10/10, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:

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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08 AM
 Isn't there a custom setting for
 something like that?
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  It would need sufficient AF speed to allow refocusing
 tweaks.
  So, is Dario wrong about the K-5 having said feature?
 
  Jack
 
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  From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
  Subject: Re: I Wish
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:45 AM
  Jack Davis wrote:
 
  I wish there were an AF-C custom function
 setting
  available wherein I could disallow the shutter's
 releasing
  unless focus is achieved. Still, for special
 affects,
  re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter
 priority option.
  Make sense to anyone else?
 
  How would that work? AF-C is for predictive
 autofocus of
  moving
  subjects so, by definition, it has to fire when
 the subject
  isn't in
  focus (choosing the proper delay so that - if all
 goes well
  - the
  subject will be in focus by the time the mirror
 goes up and
  the
  shutter opens).
 
 
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Re: I Wish

[Dario Bonazza]

Jack Davis wrote:


It would need sufficient AF speed to allow refocusing tweaks.
So, is Dario wrong about the K-5 having said feature?




From K-5 manual, page 123:


AF.C Continuous Mode

1 Focus priority - Takes pictures giving priority to keeping the subject in 
focus during Continuous Shooting. (default setting)
2 FPS priority - Takes pictures giving priority to the shooting speed during 
Continuous Shooting.


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Re: I Wish

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No, Dario is correct. The continuous autofocus priority settings are explained 
in the manual, and I've been using continuous autofocus with focus priority.

On Dec 10, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 It would need sufficient AF speed to allow refocusing tweaks. 
 So, is Dario wrong about the K-5 having said feature?
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 
 From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
 Subject: Re: I Wish
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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:45 AM
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting
 available wherein I could disallow the shutter's releasing
 unless focus is achieved. Still, for special affects,
 re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter priority option.
 Make sense to anyone else?
 
 How would that work? AF-C is for predictive autofocus of
 moving
 subjects so, by definition, it has to fire when the subject
 isn't in
 focus (choosing the proper delay so that - if all goes well
 - the
 subject will be in focus by the time the mirror goes up and
 the
 shutter opens).
 
 
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Re: I Wish

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Thanks again, Dario! I could look these things up I know, but a final question; 
does the K-5 also retain the AF.S focus lock feature?

Jack

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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:12 AM
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
  It would need sufficient AF speed to allow refocusing
 tweaks.
  So, is Dario wrong about the K-5 having said feature?
 
 
  From K-5 manual, page 123:
 
 AF.C Continuous Mode
 
 1 Focus priority - Takes pictures giving priority to
 keeping the subject in focus during Continuous Shooting.
 (default setting)
 2 FPS priority - Takes pictures giving priority to the
 shooting speed during Continuous Shooting.
 
 Dario 
 
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Re: I Wish

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Thanks once again, Paul! Dario, also, confirmed focus priority.

Jack

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 No, Dario is correct. The continuous
 autofocus priority settings are explained in the manual, and
 I've been using continuous autofocus with focus priority.
 
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  It would need sufficient AF speed to allow refocusing
 tweaks. 
  So, is Dario wrong about the K-5 having said feature?
  
  Jack
  
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  From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
  Subject: Re: I Wish
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  Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 8:45 AM
  Jack Davis wrote:
  
  I wish there were an AF-C custom function
 setting
  available wherein I could disallow the shutter's
 releasing
  unless focus is achieved. Still, for special
 affects,
  re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter
 priority option.
  Make sense to anyone else?
  
  How would that work? AF-C is for predictive
 autofocus of
  moving
  subjects so, by definition, it has to fire when
 the subject
  isn't in
  focus (choosing the proper delay so that - if all
 goes well
  - the
  subject will be in focus by the time the mirror
 goes up and
  the
  shutter opens).
  
  
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Re: I Wish

[Dario Bonazza]

Jack Davis wrote:

Thanks again, Dario! I could look these things up I know, but a final 
question; does the K-5 also retain the AF.S focus lock feature?


Of course! Focus priority is the default setting for AF.S, with the 
alternative choice of Release priority.


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Re: I Wish

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Thank you, Dario. Guess I wasn't the first to want such a feature. ;)

Jack

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 From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it
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 Jack Davis wrote:
 
  Thanks again, Dario! I could look these things up I
 know, but a final question; does the K-5 also retain the
 AF.S focus lock feature?
 
 Of course! Focus priority is the default setting for AF.S,
 with the alternative choice of Release priority.
 
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Re: I Wish

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On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:
 There isn't one? It's an option on the higher-end Canon and Nikon bodies.

 -Adam

I'll look in my manuals, but i'm positive I can do that on my Nikons.

Dave

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Re: I Wish

[Bruce Walker]

Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure studliness do you need? 
The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone should have one. Put the reviews 
down and get out your wallet.


The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree this year is that 
we are getting a new floor for the house. I could have bought a 645D 
for what that's setting us back.


-bmw


On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5 manual in not too long.
Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed back from the PDML.

Jack

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Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08 AM
Isn't there a custom setting for
something like that?




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Re: I Wish

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Sounds like the wife is dutifully reminding you of AAA the other 
important things that need money before you get a new toy.
Wives tend to be so damned practical. hurmpth!!

Jack

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 From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 11:51 AM
 Good gawd, man! How much more
 evidence of pure studliness do you need? The K-5 is
 near-perfect and everyone should have one. Put the reviews
 down and get out your wallet.
 
 The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree this
 year is that we are getting a new floor for the house. I
 could have bought a 645D for what that's setting us back.
 
 -bmw
 
 
 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
  Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5
 manual in not too long.
  Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed
 back from the PDML.
  
  Jack
  
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  Isn't there a custom setting for
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Re: I Wish

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-12-10 11:42, Dario Bonazza wrote:

Jack Davis wrote:


I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I
could disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved.
Still, for special affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter
priority option.
Make sense to anyone else?


The K-5 has it. About AF-C, you can select between Focus Priority and
FPS Priority (meaning shutter priority).


And the ist * D and K-10D, too.

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Re: I Wish

[John Francis]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 03:40:37PM -0500, Doug Franklin wrote:
 On 2010-12-10 11:42, Dario Bonazza wrote:
 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I
 could disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved.
 Still, for special affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter
 priority option.
 Make sense to anyone else?
 
 The K-5 has it. About AF-C, you can select between Focus Priority and
 FPS Priority (meaning shutter priority).
 
 And the ist * D and K-10D, too.

I don't think so.

On those earlier bodies, AF-S is fixed at focus priority, and AF-C
at release priority.  There's no way to select a different mode
while keeping the same AF-S/AF-C setting.


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Re: I Wish

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-12-10 16:23, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 03:40:37PM -0500, Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2010-12-10 11:42, Dario Bonazza wrote:

Jack Davis wrote:


I wish there were an AF-C custom function setting available wherein I
could disallow the shutter's releasing unless focus is achieved.
Still, for special affects, re-focus or.. I'd like to retain a shutter
priority option.
Make sense to anyone else?


The K-5 has it. About AF-C, you can select between Focus Priority and
FPS Priority (meaning shutter priority).


And the ist * D and K-10D, too.


I don't think so.

On those earlier bodies, AF-S is fixed at focus priority, and AF-C
at release priority.  There's no way to select a different mode
while keeping the same AF-S/AF-C setting.


I would have sworn that not only was there a setting to change it, but 
that I had changed it in the past.  But I can't find it in the camera at 
the moment.


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Re: I Wish

[Paul Sorenson]

I feel your pain.  Some time before the end of the year we're supposed 
to be getting new windows.  That's *four* K-5s that could have been 
under the tree. :-(


-p

On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure studliness do you need? 
The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone should have one. Put the reviews 
down and get out your wallet.


The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree this year is 
that we are getting a new floor for the house. I could have bought a 
645D for what that's setting us back.


-bmw


On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5 manual in not 
too long.

Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed back from the PDML.

Jack

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From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I Wish
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08 AM
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Re: I Wish

[John Francis]

Well, if we're going to one-up each other:

I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow what we spent
on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a problem with the
heating which meant it was time to do the re-ducting that
we'd been putting off for years, and a small number of old
windows to be replaced before the tax credit ran out. That
would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips  DA* zooms.

This would have been a bit less of an issue if my wife hadn't
been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job she's had for
the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought her the E-PL1).
No cause for panic, but it does mean discretionary spending
doesn't run to four-figure toys at the moment.


.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600, Paul Sorenson wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before the end of the year we're
 supposed to be getting new windows.  That's *four* K-5s that could
 have been under the tree. :-(
 
 -p
 
 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure studliness do you
 need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone should have one. Put
 the reviews down and get out your wallet.
 
 The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree this year is
 that we are getting a new floor for the house. I could have
 bought a 645D for what that's setting us back.
 
 -bmw
 
 
 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5 manual in
 not too long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed back from the PDML.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com  wrote:
 
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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08 AM
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Re: I Wish

[paul stenquist]

I could have had six 645Ds for what it cost me to save Grace from her drunken 
wife-beating father and the British legal aid idiocy.
Paul

On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:

 
 Well, if we're going to one-up each other:
 
 I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow what we spent
 on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a problem with the
 heating which meant it was time to do the re-ducting that
 we'd been putting off for years, and a small number of old
 windows to be replaced before the tax credit ran out. That
 would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips  DA* zooms.
 
 This would have been a bit less of an issue if my wife hadn't
 been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job she's had for
 the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought her the E-PL1).
 No cause for panic, but it does mean discretionary spending
 doesn't run to four-figure toys at the moment.
 
 
 .
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600, Paul Sorenson wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before the end of the year we're
 supposed to be getting new windows.  That's *four* K-5s that could
 have been under the tree. :-(
 
 -p
 
 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure studliness do you
 need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone should have one. Put
 the reviews down and get out your wallet.
 
 The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree this year is
 that we are getting a new floor for the house. I could have
 bought a 645D for what that's setting us back.
 
 -bmw
 
 
 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5 manual in
 not too long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed back from the PDML.
 
 Jack
 
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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08 AM
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Re: I Wish

[Steven Desjardins]

yep.  almost 645D's on a new attached garage.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:34 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:

 Well, if we're going to one-up each other:

 I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow what we spent
 on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a problem with the
 heating which meant it was time to do the re-ducting that
 we'd been putting off for years, and a small number of old
 windows to be replaced before the tax credit ran out. That
 would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips  DA* zooms.

 This would have been a bit less of an issue if my wife hadn't
 been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job she's had for
 the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought her the E-PL1).
 No cause for panic, but it does mean discretionary spending
 doesn't run to four-figure toys at the moment.


 .

 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600, Paul Sorenson wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before the end of the year we're
 supposed to be getting new windows.  That's *four* K-5s that could
 have been under the tree. :-(

 -p

 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure studliness do you
 need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone should have one. Put
 the reviews down and get out your wallet.
 
 The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree this year is
 that we are getting a new floor for the house. I could have
 bought a 645D for what that's setting us back.
 
 -bmw
 
 
 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5 manual in
 not too long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed back from the PDML.
 
 Jack
 
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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08 AM
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Re: I Wish

[Steven Desjardins]

Really.  That's sad.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:37 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 I could have had six 645Ds for what it cost me to save Grace from her drunken 
 wife-beating father and the British legal aid idiocy.
 Paul

 On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:


 Well, if we're going to one-up each other:

 I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow what we spent
 on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a problem with the
 heating which meant it was time to do the re-ducting that
 we'd been putting off for years, and a small number of old
 windows to be replaced before the tax credit ran out. That
 would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips  DA* zooms.

 This would have been a bit less of an issue if my wife hadn't
 been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job she's had for
 the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought her the E-PL1).
 No cause for panic, but it does mean discretionary spending
 doesn't run to four-figure toys at the moment.


 .

 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600, Paul Sorenson wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before the end of the year we're
 supposed to be getting new windows.  That's *four* K-5s that could
 have been under the tree. :-(

 -p

 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure studliness do you
 need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone should have one. Put
 the reviews down and get out your wallet.

 The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree this year is
 that we are getting a new floor for the house. I could have
 bought a 645D for what that's setting us back.

 -bmw


 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the K-5 manual in
 not too long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed back from the PDML.

 Jack

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Re: I Wish

[Jack Davis]

A bit of strategy is, also, involved here. In two or three months the financial 
issue should be at least partially neutralized. I'm honestly in no particular 
hurry. Have a spring trip or two in mind which may set the timing for me.

Jack

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 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 2:56 PM
 I feel your pain.  Some time
 before the end of the year we're supposed to be getting new
 windows.  That's *four* K-5s that could have been under
 the tree. :-(
 
 -p
 
 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
  Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure
 studliness do you need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone
 should have one. Put the reviews down and get out your
 wallet.
  
  The only reason there won't be one under my Xmas tree
 this year is that we are getting a new floor for the
 house. I could have bought a 645D for what that's setting us
 back.
  
  -bmw
  
  
  On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
  Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be reading the
 K-5 manual in not too long.
  Awaiting a couple more reviews and additional feed
 back from the PDML.
  
  Jack
  
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Re: I Wish

[Jack Davis]

I know you agree that you got a real bargain and certainly the best possible 
outcome.

Jack

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 From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 3:37 PM
 I could have had six 645Ds for what
 it cost me to save Grace from her drunken wife-beating
 father and the British legal aid idiocy.
 Paul
 
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:
 
  
  Well, if we're going to one-up each other:
  
  I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow what we
 spent
  on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a problem with
 the
  heating which meant it was time to do the re-ducting
 that
  we'd been putting off for years, and a small number of
 old
  windows to be replaced before the tax credit ran out.
 That
  would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips 
 DA* zooms.
  
  This would have been a bit less of an issue if my wife
 hadn't
  been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job she's
 had for
  the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought her the
 E-PL1).
  No cause for panic, but it does mean discretionary
 spending
  doesn't run to four-figure toys at the moment.
  
  
  .
  
  On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600, Paul
 Sorenson wrote:
  I feel your pain.  Some time before the end
 of the year we're
  supposed to be getting new windows.  That's
 *four* K-5s that could
  have been under the tree. :-(
  
  -p
  
  On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
  Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure
 studliness do you
  need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone
 should have one. Put
  the reviews down and get out your wallet.
  
  The only reason there won't be one under my
 Xmas tree this year is
  that we are getting a new floor for the
 house. I could have
  bought a 645D for what that's setting us
 back.
  
  -bmw
  
  
  On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
  Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be
 reading the K-5 manual in
  not too long.
  Awaiting a couple more reviews and
 additional feed back from the PDML.
  
  Jack
  
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  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
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 AM
  Isn't there a custom setting for
  something like that?
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: I Wish

[paul stenquist]

It was certainly the best possible outcome. But the British government's 
mindless funding of any citizen who wants to take legal action is indefensible. 
And having to compete with the UK
s financial resources makes it less than a bargain.
Paul
On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 I know you agree that you got a real bargain and certainly the best possible 
 outcome.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 3:37 PM
 I could have had six 645Ds for what
 it cost me to save Grace from her drunken wife-beating
 father and the British legal aid idiocy.
 Paul
 
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:
 
 
 Well, if we're going to one-up each other:
 
 I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow what we
 spent
 on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a problem with
 the
 heating which meant it was time to do the re-ducting
 that
 we'd been putting off for years, and a small number of
 old
 windows to be replaced before the tax credit ran out.
 That
 would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips 
 DA* zooms.
 
 This would have been a bit less of an issue if my wife
 hadn't
 been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job she's
 had for
 the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought her the
 E-PL1).
 No cause for panic, but it does mean discretionary
 spending
 doesn't run to four-figure toys at the moment.
 
 
 .
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600, Paul
 Sorenson wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before the end
 of the year we're
 supposed to be getting new windows.  That's
 *four* K-5s that could
 have been under the tree. :-(
 
 -p
 
 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure
 studliness do you
 need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone
 should have one. Put
 the reviews down and get out your wallet.
 
 The only reason there won't be one under my
 Xmas tree this year is
 that we are getting a new floor for the
 house. I could have
 bought a 645D for what that's setting us
 back.
 
 -bmw
 
 
 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be
 reading the K-5 manual in
 not too long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews and
 additional feed back from the PDML.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Steven
 Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com 
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Re: I Wish

[John Francis]

It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
out of just about any situation.

Under any system there will be cases that some find offensive.
You were just unfortunate to be on the receiving end of one
such situation.  In an ideal world the rules would cover all
cases, but realistically that will never happen.


On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 08:12:55PM -0500, paul stenquist wrote:
 It was certainly the best possible outcome. But the British government's 
 mindless funding of any citizen who wants to take legal action is 
 indefensible. And having to compete with the UK
 s financial resources makes it less than a bargain.
 Paul
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  I know you agree that you got a real bargain and certainly the best 
  possible outcome.
  
  Jack
  
  --- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
  
  From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
  Subject: Re: I Wish
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 3:37 PM
  I could have had six 645Ds for what
  it cost me to save Grace from her drunken wife-beating
  father and the British legal aid idiocy.
  Paul
  
  On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:
  
  
  Well, if we're going to one-up each other:
  
  I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow what we
  spent
  on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a problem with
  the
  heating which meant it was time to do the re-ducting
  that
  we'd been putting off for years, and a small number of
  old
  windows to be replaced before the tax credit ran out.
  That
  would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips 
  DA* zooms.
  
  This would have been a bit less of an issue if my wife
  hadn't
  been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job she's
  had for
  the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought her the
  E-PL1).
  No cause for panic, but it does mean discretionary
  spending
  doesn't run to four-figure toys at the moment.
  
  
  .
  
  On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600, Paul
  Sorenson wrote:
  I feel your pain.  Some time before the end
  of the year we're
  supposed to be getting new windows.  That's
  *four* K-5s that could
  have been under the tree. :-(
  
  -p
  
  On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
  Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure
  studliness do you
  need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone
  should have one. Put
  the reviews down and get out your wallet.
  
  The only reason there won't be one under my
  Xmas tree this year is
  that we are getting a new floor for the
  house. I could have
  bought a 645D for what that's setting us
  back.
  
  -bmw
  
  
  On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
  Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be
  reading the K-5 manual in
  not too long.
  Awaiting a couple more reviews and
  additional feed back from the PDML.
  
  Jack
  
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  Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  
  From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: I Wish
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
  Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08
  AM
  Isn't there a custom setting for
  something like that?
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: I Wish

[paul stenquist]

On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:03 PM, John Francis wrote:

 
 It's a philosophical difference, and no more indefensible
 than the US system of one law for the rich, one for the poor
 which allows those with deep enough pockets to buy their way
 out of just about any situation.
 
 Under any system there will be cases that some find offensive.
 You were just unfortunate to be on the receiving end of one
 such situation.  In an ideal world the rules would cover all
 cases, but realistically that will never happen.

Perhaps but I  would have thought the British legal aid people  would have 
checked this guy's background and criminal record before they hired him the 
most expensive legal firm in Michigan. I would guess that this fiasco cost the 
UK taxpayer's  $200,000 or more.  In any case, I shouldn't have raised the 
issue, but I'm still having trouble getting over it.
Paul
 
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 08:12:55PM -0500, paul stenquist wrote:
 It was certainly the best possible outcome. But the British government's 
 mindless funding of any citizen who wants to take legal action is 
 indefensible. And having to compete with the UK
 s financial resources makes it less than a bargain.
 Paul
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
 I know you agree that you got a real bargain and certainly the best 
 possible outcome.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 3:37 PM
 I could have had six 645Ds for what
 it cost me to save Grace from her drunken wife-beating
 father and the British legal aid idiocy.
 Paul
 
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:
 
 
 Well, if we're going to one-up each other:
 
 I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow what we
 spent
 on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a problem with
 the
 heating which meant it was time to do the re-ducting
 that
 we'd been putting off for years, and a small number of
 old
 windows to be replaced before the tax credit ran out.
 That
 would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips 
 DA* zooms.
 
 This would have been a bit less of an issue if my wife
 hadn't
 been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job she's
 had for
 the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought her the
 E-PL1).
 No cause for panic, but it does mean discretionary
 spending
 doesn't run to four-figure toys at the moment.
 
 
 .
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600, Paul
 Sorenson wrote:
 I feel your pain.  Some time before the end
 of the year we're
 supposed to be getting new windows.  That's
 *four* K-5s that could
 have been under the tree. :-(
 
 -p
 
 On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure
 studliness do you
 need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone
 should have one. Put
 the reviews down and get out your wallet.
 
 The only reason there won't be one under my
 Xmas tree this year is
 that we are getting a new floor for the
 house. I could have
 bought a 645D for what that's setting us
 back.
 
 -bmw
 
 
 On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be
 reading the K-5 manual in
 not too long.
 Awaiting a couple more reviews and
 additional feed back from the PDML.
 
 Jack
 
 --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Steven
 Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08
 AM
 Isn't there a custom setting for
 something like that?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: I Wish

[P. J. Alling]

Apparently it's discriminatory to keep sex-abusers from adopting in 
children in Great Britain.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/nov/30/sex-offenders-adoption-children



On 12/10/2010 8:12 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

It was certainly the best possible outcome. But the British government's 
mindless funding of any citizen who wants to take legal action is indefensible. 
And having to compete with the UK
s financial resources makes it less than a bargain.
Paul
On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


I know you agree that you got a real bargain and certainly the best possible 
outcome.

Jack

--- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net  wrote:


From: paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: I Wish
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 3:37 PM
I could have had six 645Ds for what
it cost me to save Grace from her drunken wife-beating
father and the British legal aid idiocy.
Paul

On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:


Well, if we're going to one-up each other:

I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow what we

spent

on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a problem with

the

heating which meant it was time to do the re-ducting

that

we'd been putting off for years, and a small number of

old

windows to be replaced before the tax credit ran out.

That

would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips

DA* zooms.

This would have been a bit less of an issue if my wife

hadn't

been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job she's

had for

the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought her the

E-PL1).

No cause for panic, but it does mean discretionary

spending

doesn't run to four-figure toys at the moment.


.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600, Paul

Sorenson wrote:

I feel your pain.  Some time before the end

of the year we're

supposed to be getting new windows.  That's

*four* K-5s that could

have been under the tree. :-(

-p

On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Good gawd, man! How much more evidence of pure

studliness do you

need? The K-5 is near-perfect and everyone

should have one. Put

the reviews down and get out your wallet.

The only reason there won't be one under my

Xmas tree this year is

that we are getting a new floor for the

house. I could have

bought a 645D for what that's setting us

back.

-bmw


On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to be

reading the K-5 manual in

not too long.
Awaiting a couple more reviews and

additional feed back from the PDML.

Jack

--- On Fri, 12/10/10, Steven

Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
wrote:

From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I Wish
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:08

AM

Isn't there a custom setting for
something like that?





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Re: I Wish

[Jack Davis]

Your success in rescuing your grand daughter for your daughter as well as 
yourself is priceless. I completely get that the cost/funds imbalance was 
extremely unfair and difficult to understand.

Jack

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 From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: I Wish
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 5:12 PM
 It was certainly the best possible
 outcome. But the British government's mindless funding of
 any citizen who wants to take legal action is indefensible.
 And having to compete with the UK
 s financial resources makes it less than a bargain.
 Paul
 On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  I know you agree that you got a real bargain and
 certainly the best possible outcome.
  
  Jack
  
  --- On Fri, 12/10/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 wrote:
  
  From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
  Subject: Re: I Wish
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 3:37 PM
  I could have had six 645Ds for what
  it cost me to save Grace from her drunken
 wife-beating
  father and the British legal aid idiocy.
  Paul
  
  On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:34 PM, John Francis wrote:
  
  
  Well, if we're going to one-up each other:
  
  I could have got four 645Ds (with lenses) fow
 what we
  spent
  on the kitchen remodel. Then there was a
 problem with
  the
  heating which meant it was time to do the
 re-ducting
  that
  we'd been putting off for years, and a small
 number of
  old
  windows to be replaced before the tax credit
 ran out.
  That
  would have covered a couple of K-5s with grips
 
  DA* zooms.
  
  This would have been a bit less of an issue if
 my wife
  hadn't
  been rather unexpectedly laid off from the job
 she's
  had for
  the last 12 years (the day after we'd bought
 her the
  E-PL1).
  No cause for panic, but it does mean
 discretionary
  spending
  doesn't run to four-figure toys at the
 moment.
  
  
  .
  
  On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 04:56:02PM -0600,
 Paul
  Sorenson wrote:
  I feel your pain.  Some time before
 the end
  of the year we're
  supposed to be getting new windows. 
 That's
  *four* K-5s that could
  have been under the tree. :-(
  
  -p
  
  On 12/10/2010 1:51 PM, Bruce Walker
 wrote:
  Good gawd, man! How much more evidence
 of pure
  studliness do you
  need? The K-5 is near-perfect and
 everyone
  should have one. Put
  the reviews down and get out your
 wallet.
  
  The only reason there won't be one
 under my
  Xmas tree this year is
  that we are getting a new floor for
 the
  house. I could have
  bought a 645D for what that's setting
 us
  back.
  
  -bmw
  
  
  On 10-12-10 12:11 PM, Jack Davis
 wrote:
  Not in the K20 manual.;) I hope to
 be
  reading the K-5 manual in
  not too long.
  Awaiting a couple more reviews
 and
  additional feed back from the PDML.
  
  Jack
  
  --- On Fri, 12/10/10, Steven
  Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
  
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  Subject: Re: I Wish
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail
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 2010, 9:08
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 for
  something like that?
  
  
  
  
  
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I wish I had the K7 this afternoon

[Larry Colen]

The cal fire plane flew directly over me about a second before it
dropped the retardant on the fire about 200m away. My K20D took what
seemed like forever to lock focus.

It's probably a good thing for my productivity that I don't have
anything that'll convert K20 raw files at the office.

I did appreciate, and exhaust the bigger buffer of the K20 over the
K100.

It also may have helped if I had ever used rapid fire mode before
using it in the heat of battle, as it were.

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Re: I wish I had the K7 this afternoon

[Keith Whaley]

Larry Colen wrote:

The cal fire plane flew directly over me about a second before it
dropped the retardant on the fire about 200m away. My K20D took what
seemed like forever to lock focus.

It's probably a good thing for my productivity that I don't have
anything that'll convert K20 raw files at the office.

I did appreciate, and exhaust the bigger buffer of the K20 over the
K100.

It also may have helped if I had ever used rapid fire mode before
using it in the heat of battle, as it were.




Where is your office?

Where was the fire?

keith whaley

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Re: I wish I had the K7 this afternoon

[Larry Colen]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 04:08:42PM -0700, Keith Whaley wrote:
 Larry Colen wrote:
 
 
 Where is your office?

South San Jose, 
855 embedded way, San Jose CA, 95138


 
 Where was the fire?

Along coyote creek trail between blossom hill/silver creek to about
the park (Hellyer park?)

http://tinyurl.com/lkkwkl

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Re: I wish I had the K7 this afternoon

[John Francis]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 03:58:46PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
 The cal fire plane flew directly over me about a second before it
 dropped the retardant on the fire about 200m away. My K20D took what
 seemed like forever to lock focus.

I never even heard the plane, and Larry's office is only a couple
of miles from my house!  Until Larry posted I had no idea I was
that close to an active fire.  Must watch the news tonight ...



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a camera I wish Pentax made...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Here's a fairly extensive preview of the GR Digital:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/ricoh/gr/ 
digital_camera_EN1.html


Godfrey

Re: a camera I wish Pentax made...

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Here's a fairly extensive preview of the GR Digital:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/ricoh/gr/digital_camera_EN1.html


I thought you had no brand affection :-)

On the advice of fellow-PDMLer John Whittingham I bought an old Ricoh 
5300 and it is a fine, no-nonsense rangefinder with an excellent macro 
facility.


Of course I only use it for crap like ebay :-)

Kostas

Re: a camera I wish Pentax made...

[P. J. Alling]

Based on the Pixel density, I think it will have a hard time living up 
to the quality images produce by the GR2.  It'll probably be very noisy 
at high ISO.


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Here's a fairly extensive preview of the GR Digital:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/ricoh/gr/ 
digital_camera_EN1.html


Godfrey





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Re: a camera I wish Pentax made...

[Cotty]

On 24/9/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

Here's a fairly extensive preview of the GR Digital:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/ricoh/gr/ 
digital_camera_EN1.html

Godfrey

unbroken link:

http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/ricoh/gr/digital_camera_EN1.html

Here's a camera I wish Pentax made:

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/epson-rd1.shtml






Cheers,
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Re: a camera I wish Pentax made...

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here's a camera I wish Pentax made:

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/epson-rd1.shtml

Oddly enough, film rangefinders cameras have never excited me, yet I
find the prospect of a decent digital rangefinder most interesting. Pity
about the price...
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: a camera I wish Pentax made...

[keith_w]

Cotty wrote:


On 24/9/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:



Here's a fairly extensive preview of the GR Digital:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/ricoh/gr/ 
digital_camera_EN1.html


Godfrey




unbroken link:

http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/ricoh/gr/digital_camera_EN1.html

Here's a camera I wish Pentax made:

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/epson-rd1.shtml


At US$3000 ?
No thanks...
Love the camera, hate the bucks...

keith


Cheers,
  Cotty

Re: a camera I wish Pentax made...

[keith_w]

Mark Roberts wrote:


Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Here's a camera I wish Pentax made:

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/epson-rd1.shtml




Oddly enough, film rangefinders cameras have never excited me, yet I
find the prospect of a decent digital rangefinder most interesting. Pity
about the price...


Oh, I understand the reticence, but...in a less expensive mode:
I recently purchased a cherry Oly 35S, highly regarded and an 
outstanding performer ~ and just a week or so ago, re-enabled myself 
with an almost new Contax IIIa. I'm in whatever passes for hog heaven! 
Sighhh.


keith whaley

Re: a camera I wish Pentax made...

[graywolf]

Aways having prefer RF's for general photography, I am glad someone 
makes such a digital. I only wish I could afford one. However if I had 
one I would propably wish it was full-frame grin.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---



Cotty wrote:


Here's a camera I wish Pentax made:

http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/epson-rd1.shtml

 

Re: a camera I wish Pentax made...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 24, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Cotty wrote:

http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/ricoh/gr/ 
digital_camera_EN1.html


Thanks for fixing the link.


Here's a camera I wish Pentax made:
http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/epson-rd1.shtml


I played with one of those a few months ago. Sorry, I found it pretty  
crappy. Awkward controls (but a cool readout gizmo for battery/ 
exposures/etc), a decent viewfinder/rangefinder, and hideously too  
expensive for what you're getting. I'd much rather have a Pentax *ist  
DS. ;-)


Godfrey