Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-)
Using a MF lens solved the AF speed problem. That's the solution I've used on every autofocus Pentax SLR. On 8/29/2010 10:29 PM, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I still have my *ist D (what a pain to type that on a BlackBerry) with the grip and an A50 1.7 in my office. I use it for all Chemistry's web photos. It's slow and, by today's standards, pretty low res. Using a MF lens solved the AF speed problem. I just keep abusing it. I did like that body. It felt solid and worked, probably because I had no real expectations. I'd sell it if I got an offer (wait for Friday) but I'll remember it fondly. I won't miss the K10D. The bodies just change too quickly with DSLRs. You can only get attached to the lenses. -Original Message- From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:30:42 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) On Aug 29, 2010, at 19:50, Adam Maas wrote: I can say the same for the K-x. There was always something with the older bodies that was grating, even the K10D (ISO limit). K10D: slow-if-ever autofocus, variable exposures, flash exposures COMPLETELY unpredictable. Oh, I could go on and on. Have I mentioned recently that it's just sitting on a shelf in my house? What to do, what to do. I guess I'll keep it as a spare in case (gasp) anything should (gasp) happen to the K7 requiring it to be sent in for service. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/8/30 drd1...@gmail.com: Using a MF lens solved the AF speed problem. Mark =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) Christine, I've been enjoying my k7 for several months now, but until you mentioned it, I had never flipped on the electronic level! Duh... Thanks for setting me straight! Shouldn't that read, Thanks for setting me level!? :-) Enjoyed your galleries, too. Chicago must be a great place to shoot. It can be, but sometimes it's hard to see things new--with fresh eyes; I've been here so long. :-) Maybe I'll explore the art filters next... Yep, they're pretty fun. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) Just to mention, I had decided on a Kx until I read this thread and saw your gallery. It's really Christine's fault there is another Kx vs. K7 thread. So there. Someday, Christine, I hope to take still-lifes as well as you and Frank do people. I hate you both ;-) Thanks for the hate, Steven. Much appreciated :-) As to the to cameras, Bruce Dayton called it just right--and that's why I got the K7. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 29, 2010, at 18:28 , Charles Robinson wrote: On Aug 29, 2010, at 20:17, Christine Nielsen wrote: Christine, I've been enjoying my k7 for several months now, but until you mentioned it, I had never flipped on the electronic level! Duh... Thanks for setting me straight! If your level is like mine, it'll throw you about 1.5 degrees to the right. :-( So I've turned mine off. But that isn't a deal-breaker for me. -Charles Set the camera up so it IS absolutely level (Duct tape a meter long level to it's base) then note the cameras level reading, say one pixel one way or another, and always set it there. As an aside (see, there's another) I now know that it is critical to make sure your tripod head is absolutely level if you are going to be panning a wide angle lens (DA*16-50 @ 16) more than 10 degrees. Rolling re-positioning of the camera makes one dizzy when viewing! Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and The eyesight to tell the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-)
Just to mention, I had decided on a Kx until I read this thread and saw your gallery. It's really Christine's fault there is another Kx vs. K7 thread. So there. Someday, Christine, I hope to take still-lifes as well as you and Frank do people. I hate you both ;-) On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-)
Amen. I liked my MZ-S, but I have never warmed to the Pentax digital bodies. For some reason I was always a bit disappointed with the K10D. I came close this time, but I just couldn't part with the FA 50, 20-35, and 135. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: I had forgotten just how glacially slow the AF is. I have a soft spot for Pentax's lenses, but the bodies have never inspired me. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 29, 2010, at 17:47, Steven Desjardins wrote: Amen. I liked my MZ-S, but I have never warmed to the Pentax digital bodies. For some reason I was always a bit disappointed with the K10D. I came close this time, but I just couldn't part with the FA 50, 20-35, and 135. K-7 is the first Pentax digital body that has yet to royally piss me off at some point or another. Hasn't happened yet! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2010, at 17:47, Steven Desjardins wrote: Amen. I liked my MZ-S, but I have never warmed to the Pentax digital bodies. For some reason I was always a bit disappointed with the K10D. I came close this time, but I just couldn't part with the FA 50, 20-35, and 135. K-7 is the first Pentax digital body that has yet to royally piss me off at some point or another. Hasn't happened yet! -Charles I can say the same for the K-x. There was always something with the older bodies that was grating, even the K10D (ISO limit). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/8/30 Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca: There was always something with the older bodies that was grating, even the K10D (ISO limit). Can't wait to welcome its replacement, hopefully late 2011... Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine, I've been enjoying my k7 for several months now, but until you mentioned it, I had never flipped on the electronic level! Duh... Thanks for setting me straight! Enjoyed your galleries, too. Chicago must be a great place to shoot. Maybe I'll explore the art filters next... :) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 29, 2010, at 20:17, Christine Nielsen wrote: Christine, I've been enjoying my k7 for several months now, but until you mentioned it, I had never flipped on the electronic level! Duh... Thanks for setting me straight! If your level is like mine, it'll throw you about 1.5 degrees to the right. :-( So I've turned mine off. But that isn't a deal-breaker for me. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 29, 2010, at 19:50, Adam Maas wrote: I can say the same for the K-x. There was always something with the older bodies that was grating, even the K10D (ISO limit). K10D: slow-if-ever autofocus, variable exposures, flash exposures COMPLETELY unpredictable. Oh, I could go on and on. Have I mentioned recently that it's just sitting on a shelf in my house? What to do, what to do. I guess I'll keep it as a spare in case (gasp) anything should (gasp) happen to the K7 requiring it to be sent in for service. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I still have my *ist D (what a pain to type that on a BlackBerry) with the grip and an A50 1.7 in my office. I use it for all Chemistry's web photos. It's slow and, by today's standards, pretty low res. Using a MF lens solved the AF speed problem. I just keep abusing it. I did like that body. It felt solid and worked, probably because I had no real expectations. I'd sell it if I got an offer (wait for Friday) but I'll remember it fondly. I won't miss the K10D. The bodies just change too quickly with DSLRs. You can only get attached to the lenses. -Original Message- From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:30:42 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) On Aug 29, 2010, at 19:50, Adam Maas wrote: I can say the same for the K-x. There was always something with the older bodies that was grating, even the K10D (ISO limit). K10D: slow-if-ever autofocus, variable exposures, flash exposures COMPLETELY unpredictable. Oh, I could go on and on. Have I mentioned recently that it's just sitting on a shelf in my house? What to do, what to do. I guess I'll keep it as a spare in case (gasp) anything should (gasp) happen to the K7 requiring it to be sent in for service. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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should I be able to see more than 4 shots in the gallery? Alastair On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com GREAT shots! Wonderful gallery. Thanks, Frank, for the kind remarks. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Alastair: Well, there was one little play gallery with 4 photos, and this longer one http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Alastair Robertson kiwibiolog...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:57 AM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) should I be able to see more than 4 shots in the gallery? Alastair On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com GREAT shots! Wonderful gallery. Thanks, Frank, for the kind remarks. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/8/17 Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net: I've already decided that if I ever switch systems or have the money to own gear from two systems, I'll go Nikon for sure. But I'm very happy with my Pentax gear for the kind of work I'm doing right now, and I just love the lenses. Pentax has served me well. And I've met some really great people because of Pentax :-). Cheers, Christine My thinking in a nutshell. Whenever I buy stuff that comes with a Nikon adaptor, I keep that just in case. Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was invited to an event recently (basically a millinery fashion show) to take some snaps. My friend wanted to take some shots too, so I gave her the K20D, DA*16-50 AF-540FGZ. I was shooting with the D700, AF-S 24-70mm SB-900, but had to intervene a few times when settings got bumped. I had forgotten just how glacially slow the AF is. I have a soft spot for Pentax's lenses, but the bodies have never inspired me. DS On 16 August 2010 22:35, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: I have a soft spot for the K10D because some favorite pics were shot with that camera. I have a spot for my K10D to, but its not soft.:-) I am relatively happy with what i can get out of it, but just wish it would focus as my Nikon's do in softish light conditions. The hunt and peck drives me nuts. I loose more shots because, but, its lighter than carrying a D2h and 70-200 VR around. I have thought about getting a K7 but am waiting to see if they come out with a camera K7-Kx combo, then I'll see. Right now i am siding with a D300 or D700 mostly for fill flash capabilities. But even these are on the shelf being with a bus driver salary and all. Dave Dave Also, I think the DA* 50-135mm the K10D was a great combination. Admittedly, this is a sentimental view because it was with this combination that I really started to improve my skills. Though, I have to say, when I hear the shutter of the K10D these days, I cringe :-). Still, despite it's shortcomings, the K10D was/is a good camera. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com GREAT shots! Wonderful gallery. Thanks, Frank, for the kind remarks. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/15/2010 9:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 I share your sentiment for a certain part, Christine. K7 is a fine camera. As a matter of shameless plug I am offering you this entry in my blog: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/power-of-habit.html I should also say that despite having a number of advantages over K10D and up to date being the most advanced DSLR Pentax ever produced, I still think that older cameras, such as K20D or K10D (one that Galia is using as well) are very fine photographic tools. As for stealthiness, well, yes K7 is pretty stealthy, up to the limitations of sound produced by screwdriver AF motor and quiet but not entirely silent mirror slap. (I hope I am using the words 'quiet' and 'silent' in proper order here :-) ) This was to a certain extent demonstrated by Chris in Chicago during that exhibition... Boris P.S. Unless new camera is really a full frame one, which is quite unlikely, I don't think that I personally would be very much interested in upgrading my K7. I cannot afford buying a camera more expensive than USD 1000 every year. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Really nice gallery- My favorite is the couple with the dog- #6. The dog's expression is right out of a '50's ad campaign. Good capture. Cheers Mike On Aug 15, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish- eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/ caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much-- though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post- processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well said, Boris. Jack --- On Mon, 8/16/10, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 12:41 AM On 8/15/2010 9:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 I share your sentiment for a certain part, Christine. K7 is a fine camera. As a matter of shameless plug I am offering you this entry in my blog: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/power-of-habit.html I should also say that despite having a number of advantages over K10D and up to date being the most advanced DSLR Pentax ever produced, I still think that older cameras, such as K20D or K10D (one that Galia is using as well) are very fine photographic tools. As for stealthiness, well, yes K7 is pretty stealthy, up to the limitations of sound produced by screwdriver AF motor and quiet but not entirely silent mirror slap. (I hope I am using the words 'quiet' and 'silent' in proper order here :-) ) This was to a certain extent demonstrated by Chris in Chicago during that exhibition... Boris P.S. Unless new camera is really a full frame one, which is quite unlikely, I don't think that I personally would be very much interested in upgrading my K7. I cannot afford buying a camera more expensive than USD 1000 every year. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'll probably get a K5, since my K7 now has well over 20,000 exposures on the clock. That's been my pattern: sell the backup camera (K20) and retire my main camera to a backup role when the new model is released. Considering the return on selling the used equipment and the tax deduction that comes with the purchase of new equipment, this strategy seems to make financial sense. And the new camera has always proved a plus in terms of on the job strengths. I expect the same again. Paul On Aug 16, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Well said, Boris. Jack --- On Mon, 8/16/10, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 12:41 AM On 8/15/2010 9:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 I share your sentiment for a certain part, Christine. K7 is a fine camera. As a matter of shameless plug I am offering you this entry in my blog: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/power-of-habit.html I should also say that despite having a number of advantages over K10D and up to date being the most advanced DSLR Pentax ever produced, I still think that older cameras, such as K20D or K10D (one that Galia is using as well) are very fine photographic tools. As for stealthiness, well, yes K7 is pretty stealthy, up to the limitations of sound produced by screwdriver AF motor and quiet but not entirely silent mirror slap. (I hope I am using the words 'quiet' and 'silent' in proper order here :-) ) This was to a certain extent demonstrated by Chris in Chicago during that exhibition... Boris P.S. Unless new camera is really a full frame one, which is quite unlikely, I don't think that I personally would be very much interested in upgrading my K7. I cannot afford buying a camera more expensive than USD 1000 every year. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 15, 2010, at 19:49, Christine Aguila wrote: I have a soft spot for the K10D because some favorite pics were shot with that camera. I kind of feel that way, too. However... mine's been sitting on a shelf since I got the K7 and I have absolutely no idea what to do with it. It's big. It's loud. The screen is tiny. Hmm. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: I have a soft spot for the K10D because some favorite pics were shot with that camera. I have a spot for my K10D to, but its not soft.:-) I am relatively happy with what i can get out of it, but just wish it would focus as my Nikon's do in softish light conditions. The hunt and peck drives me nuts. I loose more shots because, but, its lighter than carrying a D2h and 70-200 VR around. I have thought about getting a K7 but am waiting to see if they come out with a camera K7-Kx combo, then I'll see. Right now i am siding with a D300 or D700 mostly for fill flash capabilities. But even these are on the shelf being with a bus driver salary and all. Dave Dave Also, I think the DA* 50-135mm the K10D was a great combination. Admittedly, this is a sentimental view because it was with this combination that I really started to improve my skills. Though, I have to say, when I hear the shutter of the K10D these days, I cringe :-). Still, despite it's shortcomings, the K10D was/is a good camera. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) Was there really any doubt? I don't think I've heard of anyone desiring to stick with the K20 given the opportunity to have a K7. I'm glad that you like it. I have, but it was on forumsneurotica. Apparently the K7 doesn't have quite as good high ISO noise control as the K20 which makes it junk in some people's eyes. I haven't touched either my K10 or K20 since I got my K7, other than to loan them to the person I am mentoring right now. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:41 AM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) On 8/15/2010 9:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 I share your sentiment for a certain part, Christine. K7 is a fine camera. As a matter of shameless plug I am offering you this entry in my blog: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/power-of-habit.html I should also say that despite having a number of advantages over K10D and up to date being the most advanced DSLR Pentax ever produced, I still think that older cameras, such as K20D or K10D (one that Galia is using as well) are very fine photographic tools. As I mentioned in a previous post, I still have strong affection and respect for both the K20D K10D. As for stealthiness, well, yes K7 is pretty stealthy, up to the limitations of sound produced by screwdriver AF motor and quiet but not entirely silent mirror slap. (I hope I am using the words 'quiet' and 'silent' in proper order here :-) ) This was to a certain extent demonstrated by Chris in Chicago during that exhibition... Boris P.S. Unless new camera is really a full frame one, which is quite unlikely, I don't think that I personally would be very much interested in upgrading my K7. I cannot afford buying a camera more expensive than USD 1000 every year. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Mike. Much appreciated. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Michael Beacom mbea...@mac.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:11 AM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) Really nice gallery- My favorite is the couple with the dog- #6. The dog's expression is right out of a '50's ad campaign. Good capture. Cheers Mike On Aug 15, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish- eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/ caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much-- though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post- processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:00 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) I suspect the K-5's going to be pretty much the K-7 with a new sensor and maybe a couple extra fps (the Sony 14.6MP CMOS sensor and the rumoured 16MP CMOS sensor are both capable of 7+fps and are the likely candidates for the K-5's sensor). Might even see a 1/250 flash sync if we also get the extra fps. Aside from that probably incremental improvements to the video function and LV implementation and hopefully a flip/twist LCD (I really miss that from the G1 and E-30) Even with that, I'm expecting it to be a nice upgrade. K-x or better high ISO, resolution at least as good as the K-7 and all the improvements to the non-imaging parts the K-7 already got. Well, Adam, you paint a rosy picture here, which I hope happens :-) Cheers, Christine Heh, I was trying for the minimalist approach. The new sensor is a given, but I'm not sure which of the two we'll see. Probably the 16MP one as that's what Nikon and Sony are reportedly both using in their newer high-end APS-C bodies which should get announced in the next month or so. Pentax has been improving the Video and Live View implementations with each update so I expect we'll see that as a given as well (It'll just be software anyways). The extra fps and better shutter is a guess, but the capability's there and it differentiates the K-5 from the slower K-x (and rumoured K-r) better than the current 0.5fps difference does today. The flash sync is built on that, all of the 7fps-capable shutters are also capable of 1250th sync (the Sony's don't get it as their IS implementation limits the physical sync to 1/200 and they don't give the sync boost with IS off on the current A450/A550 but do on the A850/A900). If Pentax has this limitation as well it could explain the K-7's od lower flash sync (odd given the 1/8000 max shutter speed). The flip/twist LCD is just me hoping. I love the feature but it's not available on the bodies I would be interested in. I've tested the video, and it's fun. I aim to create some practice projects suited to the video features. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: I have a soft spot for the K10D because some favorite pics were shot with that camera. I have a spot for my K10D to, but its not soft.:-) I am relatively happy with what i can get out of it, but just wish it would focus as my Nikon's do in softish light conditions. The hunt and peck drives me nuts. I loose more shots because, but, its lighter than carrying a D2h and 70-200 VR around. I have thought about getting a K7 but am waiting to see if they come out with a camera K7-Kx combo, then I'll see. Right now i am siding with a D300 or D700 mostly for fill flash capabilities. But even these are on the shelf being with a bus driver salary and all. I've already decided that if I ever switch systems or have the money to own gear from two systems, I'll go Nikon for sure. But I'm very happy with my Pentax gear for the kind of work I'm doing right now, and I just love the lenses. Pentax has served me well. And I've met some really great people because of Pentax :-). Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:33 AM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) On Aug 15, 2010, at 19:49, Christine Aguila wrote: I have a soft spot for the K10D because some favorite pics were shot with that camera. I kind of feel that way, too. However... mine's been sitting on a shelf since I got the K7 and I have absolutely no idea what to do with it. It's big. It's loud. The screen is tiny. Hmm. I'm Hmmming the same tune :-). Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) GREAT shots! Wonderful gallery. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I think I'll keep the k7 :-)
Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If I had one knock against my K-x, it's that you WILL be noticed. After cutting my teeth on a used Olympus E20-n, which I often had to look at the disk-write indicator light to make sure I'd even taken the shot, I couldn't believe the shutter noise on my Pentax. One benefit of it, though, is that it does tend to startle birds, which makes for good take-off shots on occasion -- when I remember to hold down the shutter release in drive mode and pan, that is. I usually don't. On 8/15/2010 1:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-)
- Original Message From: Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 11:06:06 AM Subject: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) Your gallery is a good advert for the k-7, Christine. No. 14 with the three girls is a real stand out. -Brendan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I really liked the whole gallery, and I have to agree with your judgment on the purple. Particularly the solo shot of the little boy. I liked that one quite a bit. Agree with Brendan, as well. It's an advertisement for the K-7. On 8/15/2010 1:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Stop that, you stop that right now. I've been resisting even looking at a K-7 and I don't want to hear this. My K20 is just over a year old and I'm not buying another camera for at least a year. La la la la la la la la On 8/15/2010 2:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- Here's something to think about: How come you never see a headline like 'Psychic Wins Lottery'? --Jay Leno -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I feel your euphoria, Christine. I'm awaiting the K5 to evaluate so I can either go for it or...reach back for the K7. I really thought I wanted a larger step up from the K20 than that offered by the K7, but I won't hold out the next effort. Jack --- On Fri, 8/13/10, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:02 AM Stop that, you stop that right now. I've been resisting even looking at a K-7 and I don't want to hear this. My K20 is just over a year old and I'm not buying another camera for at least a year. La la la la la la la la On 8/15/2010 2:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- Here's something to think about: How come you never see a headline like 'Psychic Wins Lottery'? --Jay Leno -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I suspect the K-5's going to be pretty much the K-7 with a new sensor and maybe a couple extra fps (the Sony 14.6MP CMOS sensor and the rumoured 16MP CMOS sensor are both capable of 7+fps and are the likely candidates for the K-5's sensor). Might even see a 1/250 flash sync if we also get the extra fps. Aside from that probably incremental improvements to the video function and LV implementation and hopefully a flip/twist LCD (I really miss that from the G1 and E-30) Even with that, I'm expecting it to be a nice upgrade. K-x or better high ISO, resolution at least as good as the K-7 and all the improvements to the non-imaging parts the K-7 already got. -Adam On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel your euphoria, Christine. I'm awaiting the K5 to evaluate so I can either go for it or...reach back for the K7. I really thought I wanted a larger step up from the K20 than that offered by the K7, but I won't hold out the next effort. Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You're probably all around it, Adam. I'd add AF speed to my list of interests. That, of course, would allow the higher frame rate. Jack --- On Sun, 8/15/10, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 12:00 PM I suspect the K-5's going to be pretty much the K-7 with a new sensor and maybe a couple extra fps (the Sony 14.6MP CMOS sensor and the rumoured 16MP CMOS sensor are both capable of 7+fps and are the likely candidates for the K-5's sensor). Might even see a 1/250 flash sync if we also get the extra fps. Aside from that probably incremental improvements to the video function and LV implementation and hopefully a flip/twist LCD (I really miss that from the G1 and E-30) Even with that, I'm expecting it to be a nice upgrade. K-x or better high ISO, resolution at least as good as the K-7 and all the improvements to the non-imaging parts the K-7 already got. -Adam On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel your euphoria, Christine. I'm awaiting the K5 to evaluate so I can either go for it or...reach back for the K7. I really thought I wanted a larger step up from the K20 than that offered by the K7, but I won't hold out the next effort. Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Was there really any doubt? I don't think I've heard of anyone desiring to stick with the K20 given the opportunity to have a K7. I'm glad that you like it. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's a very nice camera. I shot three straight days in 90+ heat on a job. Just got home. Anyway, at the end of day two, I had one more low- level tripod pic to shoot and picked up the camera out of my box, screwed on the 60-250 and, knees aching, got down on the ground. The I realized I had picked up the K20. I thought should I just finish up with this, now that I'm down on the ground. Hell no. Got up and swapped in the K7. Knees be damned (I actually burned my right knee on the tarmac. Must have been hot enough to cook on.) Paul On Aug 15, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much-- though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post- processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine, I agree with everything you say (except that I haven't tried the various filters; just shooting RAW). I'm at about 1100 exposures on my K7, and it's beginning to feel normal. The only K10D function I wish the K7 had was switching back to the center AF sensor by pressing the AF button. Cheers, Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sun, 8/15/10, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net Subject: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 2:06 PM Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-)
Christine Aguila wrote: Shooting with this camera, for me, is quite different than the K20. My rhythm is off--I'm behind, and the K7 is ahead of me. I've been working on keeping up. :-) One factor involved here is the K7's sounds are different--lens focusing and shutter etc--I can barely hear anything, which is good, but it's thrown me off a bit. Funny how you get used to the sounds of a camera. That horizon level is amazing. I certainly do A LOT less crop adjustments. I didn't use the creative filter options on the K20, but I'm having fun with the K7's filters--pretty fun, in my view. Love the fish-eye, watercolor, and toy camera filters: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/k7play The view finder is great, and it's easier to see through. I'm not shooting with the battery grip because I haven't purchased it. A part of me would like the vertical buttons, but I have to say, it's been so much fun shooting with a really light camera. That K20 is a tank, especially with battery grip. Moving through a crowd with the K7 is fun. It's so quiet. I can get closer, and I'm quieter. Of course, if you get noticed, you get noticed, but if you don't and take a picture folks aren't going to hear much. I worry a lot less about exposure due to the K7's improved exposure accuracy, and find I'm not chimping as much--though I do some--but still this is quite liberating. Post-processing seems quicker--less cropping adjustments et al. If the rumor is true that a K5 is coming, it's going to be really interesting to see what the improvements are. So, I think I'll keep K7. I know I'm singing to the choir here, but I just wanted to get my say in :-). http://www.caguila.com/caguila/korean2010 More testing and play here. Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) I love up-close, wide-angle streety shots. It feels like I'm right there. Nicely converted too. D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 7:02 AM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) Stop that, you stop that right now. I've been resisting even looking at a K-7 and I don't want to hear this. My K20 is just over a year old and I'm not buying another camera for at least a year. La la la la la la la la Peter: Resistance is futile! cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Brendan MacRae brendanmacrae1...@yahoo.com Your gallery is a good advert for the k-7, Christine. No. 14 with the three girls is a real stand out. Thanks, Brendan. Kind of you to say so. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Walt. Kind of you to say so. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) I really liked the whole gallery, and I have to agree with your judgment on the purple. Particularly the solo shot of the little boy. I liked that one quite a bit. Agree with Brendan, as well. It's an advertisement for the K-7. On 8/15/2010 1:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: P.S. I know there are two color pictures in this black and white gallery, but I just couldn't get rid of the playful purple. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) I feel your euphoria, Christine. I'm awaiting the K5 to evaluate so I can either go for it or...reach back for the K7. I really thought I wanted a larger step up from the K20 than that offered by the K7, but I won't hold out the next effort. I'm reeeallly, interested in learning about the K5 eventhough I just bought the K7. I might go for a K5 K7 kit, and pass on the K20/10D to my nephews--maybe. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Was there really any doubt? Probably not. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-)
- Original Message - From: P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) It's a very nice camera. I shot three straight days in 90+ heat on a job. Just got home. Anyway, at the end of day two, I had one more low- level tripod pic to shoot and picked up the camera out of my box, screwed on the 60-250 and, knees aching, got down on the ground. The I realized I had picked up the K20. I thought should I just finish up with this, now that I'm down on the ground. Hell no. Got up and swapped in the K7. Knees be damned (I actually burned my right knee on the tarmac. Must have been hot enough to cook on.) Sorry about your knees the heat, Paul. Shooting conditions you describe clearly hellish. Yea, it's going to be hard to shoot with the K20, but for the time being I'll have to when I'm using two cameras on the construction site. I'll go wide with the K7 use the DA* 50-135 on the K20. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 4:28 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) Christine, I agree with everything you say (except that I haven't tried the various filters; just shooting RAW). I'm at about 1100 exposures on my K7, and it's beginning to feel normal. The 1st couple of days, the K7 felt so NOT normal, I was actually thinking of sending it back. goofy, I know. The only K10D function I wish the K7 had was switching back to the center AF sensor by pressing the AF button. I'm more used to the *pressing the OK button* for selective focusing, but in the beginning, yikes, drove me nuts, now I'm much better. I have a soft spot for the K10D because some favorite pics were shot with that camera. Also, I think the DA* 50-135mm the K10D was a great combination. Admittedly, this is a sentimental view because it was with this combination that I really started to improve my skills. Though, I have to say, when I hear the shutter of the K10D these days, I cringe :-). Still, despite it's shortcomings, the K10D was/is a good camera. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au I love up-close, wide-angle streety shots. It feels like I'm right there. Nicely converted too. Thanks, Derby. I'm hoping this camera will make me less shy, so I can improve my street work. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:00 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) I suspect the K-5's going to be pretty much the K-7 with a new sensor and maybe a couple extra fps (the Sony 14.6MP CMOS sensor and the rumoured 16MP CMOS sensor are both capable of 7+fps and are the likely candidates for the K-5's sensor). Might even see a 1/250 flash sync if we also get the extra fps. Aside from that probably incremental improvements to the video function and LV implementation and hopefully a flip/twist LCD (I really miss that from the G1 and E-30) Even with that, I'm expecting it to be a nice upgrade. K-x or better high ISO, resolution at least as good as the K-7 and all the improvements to the non-imaging parts the K-7 already got. Well, Adam, you paint a rosy picture here, which I hope happens :-) Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-)
- Original Message - From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com I'm at about 1100 exposures on my K7 . . . It's the kind of camera that makes you just want to keep taking pictures. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-)
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:00 PM Subject: Re: I think I'll keep the k7 :-) I suspect the K-5's going to be pretty much the K-7 with a new sensor and maybe a couple extra fps (the Sony 14.6MP CMOS sensor and the rumoured 16MP CMOS sensor are both capable of 7+fps and are the likely candidates for the K-5's sensor). Might even see a 1/250 flash sync if we also get the extra fps. Aside from that probably incremental improvements to the video function and LV implementation and hopefully a flip/twist LCD (I really miss that from the G1 and E-30) Even with that, I'm expecting it to be a nice upgrade. K-x or better high ISO, resolution at least as good as the K-7 and all the improvements to the non-imaging parts the K-7 already got. Well, Adam, you paint a rosy picture here, which I hope happens :-) Cheers, Christine Heh, I was trying for the minimalist approach. The new sensor is a given, but I'm not sure which of the two we'll see. Probably the 16MP one as that's what Nikon and Sony are reportedly both using in their newer high-end APS-C bodies which should get announced in the next month or so. Pentax has been improving the Video and Live View implementations with each update so I expect we'll see that as a given as well (It'll just be software anyways). The extra fps and better shutter is a guess, but the capability's there and it differentiates the K-5 from the slower K-x (and rumoured K-r) better than the current 0.5fps difference does today. The flash sync is built on that, all of the 7fps-capable shutters are also capable of 1250th sync (the Sony's don't get it as their IS implementation limits the physical sync to 1/200 and they don't give the sync boost with IS off on the current A450/A550 but do on the A850/A900). If Pentax has this limitation as well it could explain the K-7's od lower flash sync (odd given the 1/8000 max shutter speed). The flip/twist LCD is just me hoping. I love the feature but it's not available on the bodies I would be interested in. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
