Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

Thanks, PJ - that's what I'll have to do.  I'd call the lens condition
"Good" (because of the small nick on the front element).  Wish me luck -
haven't attempted to sell anything on EBay in... probably 10 years at least!

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:15 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> I was thinking you'd do a quick price search and then have a good handle
> on making a private sale.  The lens sells used at KEH for $600 to $700 in
> VG to EX maybe $550 in Bargain condition.  I don't expect a retailer to buy
> it for that much but $100 is a low ball offer.Like I said, put it on
> ebay.  It's not as convenient as it used to be but that's where you'll get
> the best price.
>
>
>
> On 1/8/2017 12:28 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
>> I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
>> off by a couple hundred...
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John  wrote:
>>
>> Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
>>>
>>> going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
>>>
>>> their overhead and still make a profit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
>>>
>>> original box & all the goodies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
 low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
 expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and

>>> $100
>>>
>>> for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
 very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of

>>> $280
>>>
>>> I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
 On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell 

>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>>
> I did look at some a while back.
> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[P. J. Alling]

I was thinking you'd do a quick price search and then have a good handle 
on making a private sale.  The lens sells used at KEH for $600 to $700 
in VG to EX maybe $550 in Bargain condition.  I don't expect a retailer 
to buy it for that much but $100 is a low ball offer.Like I said, 
put it on ebay.  It's not as convenient as it used to be but that's 
where you'll get the best price.



On 1/8/2017 12:28 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
off by a couple hundred...

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John  wrote:


Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.



They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not

going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover

their overhead and still make a profit.



K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the

original box & all the goodies.



On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:


Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and

$100


for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of

$280


I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell 

wrote:


On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
because afterwards everything else seems cheap.

I did look at some a while back.
Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Bruce Walker]

I agree they were really under-valuing that lens.

I just did a quick eBay search and the cheapest da* 16-50 on offer was
$450 US. The rest averaged around $600 and many were much higher than
that.


On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Charles Robinson
 wrote:
> I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
> off by a couple hundred...
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John  wrote:
>
>> Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.
>>
>>
>>
>> They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
>>
>> going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
>>
>> their overhead and still make a profit.
>>
>>
>>
>> K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
>>
>> original box & all the goodies.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>>
>> > Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
>>
>> > low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
>>
>> > expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and
>> $100
>>
>> > for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
>>
>> > very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of
>> $280
>>
>> > I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>>
>> >>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I did look at some a while back.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Something like Boz's site?
>>
>> >>
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[John Francis]

I'm not so sure.

The 16-50 was the first lens that was plagued by the SDM problem,
and so there are an awful lot of posts that complain about it.

I'd think twice about buying another SDM lens from that generation
even though so far (touch wood) my three have shown no problems.


On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 05:28:20PM +, Charles Robinson wrote:
> I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
> off by a couple hundred...
> 
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John  wrote:
> 
> > Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.
> >
> >
> >
> > They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
> >
> > going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
> >
> > their overhead and still make a profit.
> >
> >
> >
> > K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
> >
> > original box & all the goodies.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
> >
> > > Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
> >
> > > low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
> >
> > > expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and
> > $100
> >
> > > for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
> >
> > > very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of
> > $280
> >
> > > I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
> >
> > >>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> I did look at some a while back.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
> >
> > >>
> >
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> >
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
off by a couple hundred...

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John  wrote:

> Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.
>
>
>
> They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
>
> going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
>
> their overhead and still make a profit.
>
>
>
> K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
>
> original box & all the goodies.
>
>
>
> On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
> > Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
>
> > low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
>
> > expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and
> $100
>
> > for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
>
> > very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of
> $280
>
> > I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
>
> >
>
> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell 
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >>
>
> >>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>
> >>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>
> >>
>
> >> I did look at some a while back.
>
> >>
>
> >> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
>
> >>
>
> >> Something like Boz's site?
>
> >>
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[P. J. Alling]

Ebay can be your friend.  That's what they'll do and get quite the nice 
profit with those offers.



On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:


On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
because afterwards everything else seems cheap.

I did look at some a while back.

Is there a good web site listing all available/made?

Something like Boz's site?

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[John]

Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.

They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
their overhead and still make a profit.

K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
original box & all the goodies.

On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:


On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
because afterwards everything else seems cheap.


I did look at some a while back.

Is there a good web site listing all available/made?

Something like Boz's site?

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 19:00, Steve Cottrell 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> 
>>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>>> 
>> I did look at some a while back.
>> 
>> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
>> 
>> Something like Boz's site?
>> 
> This is fairly comprehensive. Scroll down for the Leica M lenses. On the far 
> right you can read an article about each lens, or look at a product sheet.
> 
> http://www.overgaard.dk/leica_lens_compendium.html

This one has a bit more data and is possibly a little easier to find stuff on: 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Main_Page

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Bob W-PDML]

On 7 Jan 2017, at 19:00, Steve Cottrell 
> wrote:

On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
because afterwards everything else seems cheap.

I did look at some a while back.

Is there a good web site listing all available/made?

Something like Boz's site?

This is fairly comprehensive. Scroll down for the Leica M lenses. On the far 
right you can read an article about each lens, or look at a product sheet.

http://www.overgaard.dk/leica_lens_compendium.html


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Larry Colen]

Bill wrote:

On 1/7/2017 5:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Holy cow. Just got back from the local photo shoppe. I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up. I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50. They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens. For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move. Sheesh!




Don't feel badly. I decided to sell my Fuji kit. Now that I have the
K-1, I can't see myself using the stuff much.
The X-Pro1, X-T1, 14mm, 23mm, 35mm, 56mm and 60mm sat for a month, and
all I got was insultingly low ball offers, so I had them box the stuff
up and I brought it home. I'd rather have it sit on the shelf unused.


Maybe you should trade your old fuji kit for his old pentax kit.






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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Bill]

On 1/7/2017 5:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!




Don't feel badly. I decided to sell my Fuji kit. Now that I have the 
K-1, I can't see myself using the stuff much.
The X-Pro1, X-T1, 14mm, 23mm, 35mm, 56mm and 60mm sat for a month, and 
all I got was insultingly low ball offers, so I had them box the stuff 
up and I brought it home. I'd rather have it sit on the shelf unused.



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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
> >because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>
> I did look at some a while back.
>
> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
>
> Something like Boz's site?
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>because afterwards everything else seems cheap.

I did look at some a while back.

Is there a good web site listing all available/made?

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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> 
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd love to get some more Voigtlander lenses but my god they are pricey.

You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment because 
afterwards everything else seems cheap.

>> 
>> The 10.5mm f/0.95 looks amazing:
>> 
>> > review-for-micro-43/>
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Christine Aguila]

Wow, that’s a great kit you describe below.  Yes, even the video markets it as 
a great street camera—much less intimidating—or maybe just more discreet—than 
the all black DSLR.

Sure wish I had some extra money, but can’t afford to buy right now, got to 
save—the bloody Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Cheers, Christine


> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 7/1/17, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> That Pen-F is a beautiful camera!  Cotty, just out of interest, have you
>> used any of the Creative Features explained in the videos at the bottom
>> of this page?  I believe it's the last video.
> 
> Hi Christine,
> 
> Yes had a play around one day and some of the filters (software filters
> that is) are a bit garish - great fun when drinking wine at a party ;-)
> 
> But TBH they are not my cuppa tea.
> 
> I only shoot jpegs, so the camera suits my style completely (although it
> is very competent in raw). With a turn of the knob on the front I can go
> from shooting mono to colour in an instant. I like that because when I
> shoot in B and W I like to think in B and W! I hate shooting everything
> in colour and then deciding later if it works in mono instead/as well.
> 
> Accordingly, there are 4 'custom set' settings on the main dial on the
> top plate. I keep these as ISO settings exclusively, so I know that C1
> is ISO 200, C2 is ISO 400, C3 is ISO 800 and C4 is ISO 3200 (don't
> forget, I'm shooting with manual focus, manual aperture lenses all the time).
> 
> There are several more little dials and buttons that I have nothing
> assigned to. I like it simple and sweet, concentrate on the pics!
> 
> I'd love to get some more Voigtlander lenses but my god they are pricey.
> 
> The 10.5mm f/0.95 looks amazing:
> 
>  review-for-micro-43/>
> 
> but for now I stick with:
> 
> Samyang 12/2
> Voigtlander 15/4.5
> Pentax 24/2.8
> Pentax 50/1.4
> Tokina 90/2.5 macro
> 
> For one cam/lens combo out walking I take either the 12/2 or the 15/4.5
> depending on lighting conditions. On a bright day the 15mm is lovely to
> use and so small - very lightweight. The Samyang is quite big, but my
> God, talk about 'f/8 and be there' - set a decent ISO, zone focus, click
> on f/8 and it's a great streetgrabber. Forces you to get in amongst the
> action, which I love. I have zooming legs ;-)
> 
> If I take it all out in the bag, it all fits in a Paul Marius 'Le Petit
> Reporter' along with my Fujifilm X20 which is great to use (despite
> having ugh has a zoom!) with a couple of spare batteries each as well.
> Also a beautiful little flash unit that comes with the Oly - operates of
> the camera battery and rotates and swivels for bounce flash as well.
> Hardly ever use it though.
> 
> Features I love - pull out and swivel/rotate rear LCD that can be close
> facing inwards, so no chimping! Beautiful ergonomics even in my big
> hands. Does good HD video (I use it professionally for steadicam-type
> shots on a 3-axis gimbal device). And looks to die for. If Leica made a
> camera this small with these features, I would probably have one.
> 
> Cheers XX
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Bob W-PDML wrote:

>Whenever you see something labelled 'creative' or 'pro', you can be sure it 
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On 7/1/17, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Features I love - pull out and swivel/rotate rear LCD that can be close
>facing inwards, so no chimping! Beautiful ergonomics even in my big
>hands. Does good HD video (I use it professionally for steadicam-type
>shots on a 3-axis gimbal device). And looks to die for. If Leica made a
>camera this small with these features, I would probably have one.

Oh yes - I love that I can connect up my iPad Mini (which comes with me
in the bag) on wifi and transfer images for assessment/dicking about
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/1/17, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>That Pen-F is a beautiful camera!  Cotty, just out of interest, have you
>used any of the Creative Features explained in the videos at the bottom
>of this page?  I believe it's the last video.

Hi Christine,

Yes had a play around one day and some of the filters (software filters
that is) are a bit garish - great fun when drinking wine at a party ;-)

But TBH they are not my cuppa tea.

I only shoot jpegs, so the camera suits my style completely (although it
is very competent in raw). With a turn of the knob on the front I can go
from shooting mono to colour in an instant. I like that because when I
shoot in B and W I like to think in B and W! I hate shooting everything
in colour and then deciding later if it works in mono instead/as well.

Accordingly, there are 4 'custom set' settings on the main dial on the
top plate. I keep these as ISO settings exclusively, so I know that C1
is ISO 200, C2 is ISO 400, C3 is ISO 800 and C4 is ISO 3200 (don't
forget, I'm shooting with manual focus, manual aperture lenses all the time).

There are several more little dials and buttons that I have nothing
assigned to. I like it simple and sweet, concentrate on the pics!

I'd love to get some more Voigtlander lenses but my god they are pricey.

The 10.5mm f/0.95 looks amazing:



but for now I stick with:

Samyang 12/2
Voigtlander 15/4.5
Pentax 24/2.8
Pentax 50/1.4
Tokina 90/2.5 macro

For one cam/lens combo out walking I take either the 12/2 or the 15/4.5
depending on lighting conditions. On a bright day the 15mm is lovely to
use and so small - very lightweight. The Samyang is quite big, but my
God, talk about 'f/8 and be there' - set a decent ISO, zone focus, click
on f/8 and it's a great streetgrabber. Forces you to get in amongst the
action, which I love. I have zooming legs ;-)

If I take it all out in the bag, it all fits in a Paul Marius 'Le Petit
Reporter' along with my Fujifilm X20 which is great to use (despite
having ugh has a zoom!) with a couple of spare batteries each as well.
Also a beautiful little flash unit that comes with the Oly - operates of
the camera battery and rotates and swivels for bounce flash as well.
Hardly ever use it though.

Features I love - pull out and swivel/rotate rear LCD that can be close
facing inwards, so no chimping! Beautiful ergonomics even in my big
hands. Does good HD video (I use it professionally for steadicam-type
shots on a 3-axis gimbal device). And looks to die for. If Leica made a
camera this small with these features, I would probably have one.

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[Bob W-PDML]

Whenever you see something labelled 'creative' or 'pro', you can be sure it 
isn't.

B

> On 7 Jan 2017, at 16:18, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> That Pen-F is a beautiful camera!  Cotty, just out of interest, have you used 
> any of the Creative Features explained in the videos at the bottom of this 
> page?  I believe it’s the last video.
> 
> http://www.getolympus.com/us/en/digitalcameras/pen/pen-f.html 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>>> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>>> years, actually.
>> 
>> Hi Charles.
>> 
>> Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Christine Aguila]

That Pen-F is a beautiful camera!  Cotty, just out of interest, have you used 
any of the Creative Features explained in the videos at the bottom of this 
page?  I believe it’s the last video.

http://www.getolympus.com/us/en/digitalcameras/pen/pen-f.html 



Cheers, Christine



> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>> years, actually.
> 
> Hi Charles.
> 
> Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Steve Cottrell]

On 6/1/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>By not even having an EVF and just using the large display on the back, 
>they forced people to keep it at arms length, both physically and 
>metaphorically. They were trying to appeal to people that used phones as 
>their cameras, without realizing that those people were not interested 
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On 6/1/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I should do beauty shots of the SL with R lenses, eh?

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>My biggest problem with adapting the old K and A lenses is that my eyes are
>starting to SUCK - I'll dial the focus in, think I've got it, hit the
>shutter... and later I'll see that I was MILES from being in focus.  Even
>using the focus peaking.  Old man... (sigh)

I share your pain.

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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On 6 Jan 2017, at 23:38, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 1/6/2017 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Charles Robinson wrote:
>>> Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under
>>> $700.
>>> The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as
>>> "fair"
>>> or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as
>>> good as
>>> it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
>>> with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
>>> and whatnot.
>>> 
>>> In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
>>>  :-)
>> 
>> It might say Olympus on your camera certificate, but do stick around
>> there are several other people here shooting other brands that still
>> identify as Pentaxians. Unless the North Carolina legislature figures
>> out a way to legislate access to this list, you're most welcome here.
>> 
> 
> Larry is, of course, not speaking for Walkden.
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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On Sat, Jan 7, 2017, at 01:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Brian Walters wrote:
> 
> >I'm hanging on to my Pentax gear waiting for the mythical and
> >competitive Pentax mirrorless to appear (much as I liked the idea of the
> >K-01, it wasn't what I wanted).
> 
> Tha K-01 can be had really cheap on eBay these days. You might want to
> try one out. I thought I'd hate it and I've come to like it a lot.


I have been keeping a look out on Ebay.  I thought it might be fun to
pick up one for casual use but they don't come up often here and the
exchange rate & postage makes buying from the US more than I'm
comfortable with.  Without a viewfinder, I can't see me using one
regularly and I'm not sold on the concept of retaining the K mount
register distance.

For the moment, I'm keeping my foot in the door of Pentax mirrorless
with the Q.


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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Brian Walters wrote:

>I'm hanging on to my Pentax gear waiting for the mythical and
>competitive Pentax mirrorless to appear (much as I liked the idea of the
>K-01, it wasn't what I wanted).

Tha K-01 can be had really cheap on eBay these days. You might want to
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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On 2017-01-06 8:30 , Charles Robinson wrote:

Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
left about a year or two ago...

I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
years, actually.


interesting Charles — i'm in almost exactly the same position — K-5 and a 
nice set of lenses (100 WR macro, 15/4, 35/2.8 macro …) idle for months; 
having a hard time deciding to completely let go…


i've been using an E-M1 with three main lenses - Panasonic 20/1.7, Olympus 
50/2.0 macro and Pentax-M 100/4 macro; that last keeps my foot in the door 
here — a fun lens at 200mm equivalent and with focus-peaking


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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P. J. Alling wrote:

Sadly, the K-01 wasn't really what anyone wanted. Sales outside Japan
were disappointing, and I at least thought that no one would ever
attempt a mirrorless camera that natively supported DSLR lenses again.


By not even having an EVF and just using the large display on the back, 
they forced people to keep it at arms length, both physically and 
metaphorically. They were trying to appeal to people that used phones as 
their cameras, without realizing that those people were not interested 
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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Sadly, the K-01 wasn't really what anyone wanted.  Sales outside Japan 
were disappointing, and I at least thought that no one would ever 
attempt a mirrorless camera that natively supported DSLR lenses again.


Then came the Sigma mirrorless sd Quatro cameras, and the concept though 
wounded still appeared to be limping along.  The reviews of the Sigma 
cameras however make it clear the Sigma didn't so much save the concept 
but deliver the coup de grâce.


There's noting wrong with the concept, the execution however of it has 
failed.  Marketers being marketers won't be able to tell the difference 
between failure of concept and failure of execution.



On 1/6/2017 4:02 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day Charles

Nice to hear from you again.

By all means hang around - you wouldn't be the only one shooting other
brands.  I've gone down the OMD route too (just bought an E-M5ii to add
to my E-M10) but I still like to drag out the K-5 from time to time.
It's still a great camera - these days, just a bit too heavy to lug it
and a few lenses around like I used to...

I'm hanging on to my Pentax gear waiting for the mythical and
competitive Pentax mirrorless to appear (much as I liked the idea of the
K-01, it wasn't what I wanted).



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On Sat, Jan 7, 2017, at 02:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
left about a year or two ago...

I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
years, actually.

It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the
current
state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[John]

On 1/6/2017 3:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Charles Robinson wrote:

Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under
$700.
The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as
"fair"
or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as
good as
it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
and whatnot.

In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
  :-)


It might say Olympus on your camera certificate, but do stick around
there are several other people here shooting other brands that still
identify as Pentaxians. Unless the North Carolina legislature figures
out a way to legislate access to this list, you're most welcome here.



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[Bill]

On 1/6/2017 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Charles Robinson wrote:

Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under
$700.
The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as
"fair"
or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as
good as
it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
and whatnot.

In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
  :-)


It might say Olympus on your camera certificate, but do stick around
there are several other people here shooting other brands that still
identify as Pentaxians. Unless the North Carolina legislature figures
out a way to legislate access to this list, you're most welcome here.



Larry is, of course, not speaking for Walkden.

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[Bill]

On 1/6/2017 1:59 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

I do have a couple of adapters - still working out which lenses work well
with the OM-D and which do not.  I'm jealous of that 85mm f1.4!




You don't want to click this link.

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G'day Charles

Nice to hear from you again.

By all means hang around - you wouldn't be the only one shooting other
brands.  I've gone down the OMD route too (just bought an E-M5ii to add
to my E-M10) but I still like to drag out the K-5 from time to time. 
It's still a great camera - these days, just a bit too heavy to lug it
and a few lenses around like I used to...

I'm hanging on to my Pentax gear waiting for the mythical and
competitive Pentax mirrorless to appear (much as I liked the idea of the
K-01, it wasn't what I wanted).



Cheers

Brian

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On Sat, Jan 7, 2017, at 02:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
> Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
> left about a year or two ago...
> 
> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
> years, actually.
> 
> It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
> resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the
> current
> state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
> I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let
> 'em
> sit there...)
> 
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Larry Colen]

Charles Robinson wrote:

Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under $700.
The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as "fair"
or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as good as
it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
and whatnot.

In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
  :-)


It might say Olympus on your camera certificate, but do stick around 
there are several other people here shooting other brands that still 
identify as Pentaxians. Unless the North Carolina legislature figures 
out a way to legislate access to this list, you're most welcome here.


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>> years, actually.
> 
> Hi Charles.
> Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)
> 
> 

Ah, lens porn... ! :-)
I should do beauty shots of the SL with R lenses, eh?

G

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

I do have a couple of adapters - still working out which lenses work well
with the OM-D and which do not.  I'm jealous of that 85mm f1.4!

My biggest problem with adapting the old K and A lenses is that my eyes are
starting to SUCK - I'll dial the focus in, think I've got it, hit the
shutter... and later I'll see that I was MILES from being in focus.  Even
using the focus peaking.  Old man... (sigh)

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
> >OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
> >years, actually.
>
> Hi Charles.
>
> Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)
>
>
> 
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Steve Cottrell]

On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>years, actually.

Hi Charles.

Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)




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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under $700.
The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as "fair"
or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as good as
it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
and whatnot.

In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
 :-)

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:40 AM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> I just checked KEH.com and they have a plain old K-5 in stock for a bit
> over $300.  The 16-50 isn't listed but they're still manufactured and KEH
> generally sells them for about 10-20% less than retail new for EX
> condition.   So if you bought it before the recent price increase you can
> probably get almost what you paid for it.I've been told by the local
> camera shop that they price their used gear based on KEH's prices.
>
>
> On 1/6/2017 10:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
>> Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
>> left about a year or two ago...
>>
>> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>> years, actually.
>>
>> It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
>> resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the
>> current
>> state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
>> I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let 'em
>> sit there...)
>>
>>
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[P. J. Alling]

I just checked KEH.com and they have a plain old K-5 in stock for a bit 
over $300.  The 16-50 isn't listed but they're still manufactured and 
KEH generally sells them for about 10-20% less than retail new for EX 
condition.   So if you bought it before the recent price increase you 
can probably get almost what you paid for it.I've been told by the 
local camera shop that they price their used gear based on KEH's prices.



On 1/6/2017 10:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
left about a year or two ago...

I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
years, actually.

It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the current
state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let 'em
sit there...)




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Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
left about a year or two ago...

I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
years, actually.

It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the current
state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let 'em
sit there...)

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