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On Apr 14, 2005, at 8:28 AM, Norman Baugher wrote: Only a million? Man, you're getting short changed, I'm up to $18.5M Norm I got one today (first one in a long time) for £6 million. It supposedly came from a US address, via a South African address, and was supposedly written on behalf of a Greek. Nothing Nigerian about this one! Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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Herb Chong wrote: people who track the spam industry. it was a newspaper article a few months back, either on the BBC or NY Times web sites. they were the same people that estimated that out of the average 100M spam messages sent out for a single item, they needed about 2000 respondents to make money. the Nigerian government acknowledges it as one of their major sources of income. Herb Not that it's all THAT important, but is 100M meant to stand for 100 thousand, or 100 million? Different trades/industries don't agree on what the M symbol stands for, so if it is ever important to understanding, it's a good thing to spell it out. To stay on thread, it's still amazing to me that there's any truth to this seemingly absurd claim that an entire government would rely on scamming income. And especially one as stretching of belief as their tale-of-woe letters offer. But then, the claims go on and on, and people DO continue to discuss it as tho' it had merit... keith - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: Re: OT: Warning about Nigeria Buyer it would have to be a very large family. it has been estimated that scams are the #2 source of the country's income, behind oil. Who estimated that?
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The claim that scamming is Nigeria's second biggest source of foreign income doesn't seem so absurd when you wonder what else Nigeria exports, apart from oil. The answer is: not much at all. John On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:32:47 -0700, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Herb Chong wrote: people who track the spam industry. it was a newspaper article a few months back, either on the BBC or NY Times web sites. they were the same people that estimated that out of the average 100M spam messages sent out for a single item, they needed about 2000 respondents to make money. the Nigerian government acknowledges it as one of their major sources of income. Herb Not that it's all THAT important, but is 100M meant to stand for 100 thousand, or 100 million? Different trades/industries don't agree on what the M symbol stands for, so if it is ever important to understanding, it's a good thing to spell it out. To stay on thread, it's still amazing to me that there's any truth to this seemingly absurd claim that an entire government would rely on scamming income. And especially one as stretching of belief as their tale-of-woe letters offer. But then, the claims go on and on, and people DO continue to discuss it as tho' it had merit... keith - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: Re: OT: Warning about Nigeria Buyer it would have to be a very large family. it has been estimated that scams are the #2 source of the country's income, behind oil. Who estimated that? -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005
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Hi, Not that it's all THAT important, but is 100M meant to stand for 100 thousand, or 100 million? 100 miles. or metres. -- Cheers, Bob
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Not that it's all THAT important, but is 100M meant to stand for 100 thousand, or 100 million? M = 1 x 10^6 (1,000,000) m = 1 x 10^-3 (1/1000) k = 1 x 10^3 (1000) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] = K*2 Just thought I would clarify. Norm Mark Roberts wrote: M = 1 x 10^6 (1,000,000) m = 1 x 10^-3 (1/1000) k = 1 x 10^3 (1000)
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Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = K*2 Just thought I would clarify. [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 2 = K2DMD ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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M in the finance industry stands for Million the BBC tends to follow that convention too, when they don't spell it out. the Nigerian government isn't saying that they are counting it as government income. it's part of their GDP. Herb - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:32 AM Subject: Re: OT: Warning about Nigeria Buyer Not that it's all THAT important, but is 100M meant to stand for 100 thousand, or 100 million? Different trades/industries don't agree on what the M symbol stands for, so if it is ever important to understanding, it's a good thing to spell it out. To stay on thread, it's still amazing to me that there's any truth to this seemingly absurd claim that an entire government would rely on scamming income. And especially one as stretching of belief as their tale-of-woe letters offer. But then, the claims go on and on, and people DO continue to discuss it as tho' it had merit...
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it would have to be a very large family. it has been estimated that scams are the #2 source of the country's income, behind oil. Herb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT: Warning about Nigeria Buyer I wonder if it could be as little as one family of very busy Nigerian scam artists?
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On 12/4/05, Richard Chu, discombobulated, unleashed: I just want to share a recent experience with everyone so that you folks are aware of this type of fraud. Hey they're not all bad apples - several Nigerians keep wanting to send me a million dollars. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Hi, Wednesday, April 13, 2005, 11:14:44 AM, Herb wrote: it would have to be a very large family. it has been estimated that scams are the #2 source of the country's income, behind oil. Who estimated that? -- Cheers, Bob
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Only a million? Man, you're getting short changed, I'm up to $18.5M Norm Cotty wrote: Hey they're not all bad apples - several Nigerians keep wanting to send me a million dollars.
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people who track the spam industry. it was a newspaper article a few months back, either on the BBC or NY Times web sites. they were the same people that estimated that out of the average 100M spam messages sent out for a single item, they needed about 2000 respondents to make money. the Nigerian government acknowledges it as one of their major sources of income. Herb - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: Re: OT: Warning about Nigeria Buyer it would have to be a very large family. it has been estimated that scams are the #2 source of the country's income, behind oil. Who estimated that?
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This one time, at band camp, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: people who track the spam industry. it was a newspaper article a few months back, either on the BBC or NY Times web sites. they were the same people that estimated that out of the average 100M spam messages sent out for a single item, they needed about 2000 respondents to make money. the Nigerian government acknowledges it as one of their major sources of income. A few months back I caught a radio news show quoting $26 million had been sent to Nigeria in the previous year. I cant say it was all SPAM related, but my guess a lot of it would be. Thats just from Australia. Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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On 14 Apr 2005 at 9:19, Kevin Waterson wrote: A few months back I caught a radio news show quoting $26 million had been sent to Nigeria in the previous year. I cant say it was all SPAM related, but my guess a lot of it would be. Thats just from Australia. I don't think people realize just how wide spread it is, it's certainly not just spam based. I baited one on eBay yesterday, they were a new seller registered that day had a pair of speakers up for sale at a well below bargain price and the location was suspect, they didn't know their geography at all. So I made a query via the eBay system asking where they were located. Of course the auction vanished from my watch list, eBay had made it disappear some time during the day but later I received a reply from my scammer thus: Hello, The SPEAKERS are located in Sydney.The buy it now price is 2000 AUD including all shipping taxes.If you are agree i want to close this deal safe because i`m now on eBay.We will use square trade.With this service we are both safe.You will receive the item before i will receive the info about the payment.If you are agree we have a deal.Please email me with your ebay id so i can contact square trade and let them know that we have a deal.I will wait your reply asap to close the deal. So if you were as thick as this scammer you could possibly fall for it.? I was going to have some fun at their expense but decided to leave it alone. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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[coming out of semi-lurkedom] I'm sure some of you have seen this already, but it's only proper to add this link to the conversation: http://www.419eater.com/ and of course, the all time classic: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/ :) -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
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Hi, Thursday, April 14, 2005, 12:19:02 AM, Kevin wrote: This one time, at band camp, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: people who track the spam industry. it was a newspaper article a few months back, either on the BBC or NY Times web sites. they were the same people that estimated that out of the average 100M spam messages sent out for a single item, they needed about 2000 respondents to make money. the Nigerian government acknowledges it as one of their major sources of income. A few months back I caught a radio news show quoting $26 million had been sent to Nigeria in the previous year. I cant say it was all SPAM related, but my guess a lot of it would be. Thats just from Australia. If we're into guessing games, then I guess that the overwhelming majority of that money is being sent back by migrant workers, and only a relatively tiny amount as a result of scams. That's not very much compared to GNP. 85-90% of Nigeria's GNP is from oil, at about $40 billion. Their foreign debt is over 80% of GNP. But foreign debt's not a scam. Is it...? -- Cheers, Bob
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Hi, So if you were as thick as this scammer you could possibly fall for it.? It's not thick people. It's the gullible and the greedy who fall for 419 scams. The greedy get what they deserve. -- Cheers, Bob
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well, at least one person contributed $242m to the total. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3909233.stm Herb... - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: OT: Warning about Nigeria Buyer If we're into guessing games, then I guess that the overwhelming majority of that money is being sent back by migrant workers, and only a relatively tiny amount as a result of scams. That's not very much compared to GNP. 85-90% of Nigeria's GNP is from oil, at about $40 billion. Their foreign debt is over 80% of GNP. But foreign debt's not a scam. Is it...?
OT: Warning about Nigeria Buyer
I just want to share a recent experience with everyone so that you folks are aware of this type of fraud. I advertised a digital camera for sale in the Recycler.com, which I believe is a southern California circulation for mostly private individuals selling used items (some businesses also sell new items in this paper). The Recycler ads are also posted at their website. I have sold several items (bicycle, cameras, computer printers, etc.) to local buyers through this method. Usually the buyer and I would meet at an agreed location to complete the transaction. I got several emails from people who are interested in buying the camera. I followed up with the first interested party and was told that this lady was from Michigan. She agreed to send me a Western Union money order and got my mailing address. I subsequently received an email that appeared to be a confirmation email from Western Union that a money order should arrive in 4-7 days. The lady told me that she would take care of the shipping cost and would send me a FEDEX label. She also told me to go ahead and drop off the package once I receive the confirmation email from Western Union. I told her to go ahead and send me that label but I would only send the package after I receive the money order. She emailed me the label for a Nigerian address and also arranged FEDEX to pick up the package from my house. I wasn't at home when FEDEX came and told her again that I would not release the package until I receive the payment. Later I got another email from her stating that she had put the payment on hold since I had not released the package. An email supposedly from Western Union arrived stating that the payment had been witheld until I release the package. I have sent a copy of the Western Union email to Western Union for verification. I did some research in the internet and found a lot of stories about frauds with ties to Nigeria. I also got two other emails about buying my camera and both also said that they want to send the camera to either a brother or a husband in Africa. So please be aware. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
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Richard Chu wrote: I just want to share a recent experience with everyone so that you folks are aware of this type of fraud. This type of fraud is very common. Be very cautious with any kind of shipment to Africa, especially Nigeria. Also, don't trust emails if you can't verify it's origin. The From: part is extremely easily manipulated. You don't need any skills to do it, all you have to do is change the your email part in your email client. /Henri
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Putting a brick in a box and slapping the FEDEX Label otta do it. rg Richard Chu wrote: I just want to share a recent experience with everyone so that you folks are aware of this type of fraud. I advertised a digital camera for sale in the Recycler.com, which I believe is a southern California circulation for mostly private individuals selling used items (some businesses also sell new items in this paper). The Recycler ads are also posted at their website. I have sold several items (bicycle, cameras, computer printers, etc.) to local buyers through this method. Usually the buyer and I would meet at an agreed location to complete the transaction. I got several emails from people who are interested in buying the camera. I followed up with the first interested party and was told that this lady was from Michigan. She agreed to send me a Western Union money order and got my mailing address. I subsequently received an email that appeared to be a confirmation email from Western Union that a money order should arrive in 4-7 days. The lady told me that she would take care of the shipping cost and would send me a FEDEX label. She also told me to go ahead and drop off the package once I receive the confirmation email from Western Union. I told her to go ahead and send me that label but I would only send the package after I receive the money order. She emailed me the label for a Nigerian address and also arranged FEDEX to pick up the package from my house. I wasn't at home when FEDEX came and told her again that I would not release the package until I receive the payment. Later I got another email from her stating that she had put the payment on hold since I had not released the package. An email supposedly from Western Union arrived stating that the payment had been witheld until I release the package. I have sent a copy of the Western Union email to Western Union for verification. I did some research in the internet and found a lot of stories about frauds with ties to Nigeria. I also got two other emails about buying my camera and both also said that they want to send the camera to either a brother or a husband in Africa. So please be aware. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
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Gonz mused: Putting a brick in a box and slapping the FEDEX Label otta do it. rg Richard Chu wrote: I just want to share a recent experience with everyone so that you folks are aware of this type of fraud. I advertised a digital camera for sale in the Recycler.com, which I believe is a southern California circulation for mostly private individuals selling used items (some businesses also sell new items in this paper). The Recycler ads are also posted at their website. I have sold several items (bicycle, cameras, computer printers, etc.) to local buyers through this method. Usually the buyer and I would meet at an agreed location to complete the transaction. I got several emails from people who are interested in buying the camera. I followed up with the first interested party and was told that this lady was from Michigan. She agreed to send me a Western Union money order and got my mailing address. I subsequently received an email that appeared to be a confirmation email from Western Union that a money order should arrive in 4-7 days. The lady told me that she would take care of the shipping cost and would send me a FEDEX label. She also told me to go ahead and drop off the package once I receive the confirmation email from Western Union. I told her to go ahead and send me that label but I would only send the package after I receive the money order. She emailed me the label for a Nigerian address and also arranged FEDEX to pick up the package from my house. I wasn't at home when FEDEX came and told her again that I would not release the package until I receive the payment. Later I got another email from her stating that she had put the payment on hold since I had not released the package. An email supposedly from Western Union arrived stating that the payment had been witheld until I release the package. I have sent a copy of the Western Union email to Western Union for verification. I did some research in the internet and found a lot of stories about frauds with ties to Nigeria. I also got two other emails about buying my camera and both also said that they want to send the camera to either a brother or a husband in Africa. So please be aware. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
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Thanks for the warning, Richard. Interesting how Nigerians have become international scam specialists. Joe
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Actually the truly amazing thing is that anyone would actually fall for any of them... Joseph Tainter wrote: Thanks for the warning, Richard. Interesting how Nigerians have become international scam specialists. Joe -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Quoting Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for the warning, Richard. Interesting how Nigerians have become international scam specialists. I wonder if it could be as little as one family of very busy Nigerian scam artists? ERNR
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I think I'd spray paint the brick a nice gold color Gonz wrote: Putting a brick in a box and slapping the FEDEX Label otta do it. rg Richard Chu wrote: I just want to share a recent experience with everyone so that you folks are aware of this type of fraud. I advertised a digital camera for sale in the Recycler.com, which I believe is a southern California circulation for mostly private individuals selling used items (some businesses also sell new items in this paper). The Recycler ads are also posted at their website. I have sold several items (bicycle, cameras, computer printers, etc.) to local buyers through this method. Usually the buyer and I would meet at an agreed location to complete the transaction. I got several emails from people who are interested in buying the camera. I followed up with the first interested party and was told that this lady was from Michigan. She agreed to send me a Western Union money order and got my mailing address. I subsequently received an email that appeared to be a confirmation email from Western Union that a money order should arrive in 4-7 days. The lady told me that she would take care of the shipping cost and would send me a FEDEX label. She also told me to go ahead and drop off the package once I receive the confirmation email from Western Union. I told her to go ahead and send me that label but I would only send the package after I receive the money order. She emailed me the label for a Nigerian address and also arranged FEDEX to pick up the package from my house. I wasn't at home when FEDEX came and told her again that I would not release the package until I receive the payment. Later I got another email from her stating that she had put the payment on hold since I had not released the package. An email supposedly from Western Union arrived stating that the payment had been witheld until I release the package. I have sent a copy of the Western Union email to Western Union for verification. I did some research in the internet and found a lot of stories about frauds with ties to Nigeria. I also got two other emails about buying my camera and both also said that they want to send the camera to either a brother or a husband in Africa. So please be aware. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
