Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Yes, "on crop."
Thanks, Rob!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Rob Studdert <distudio.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Very nice, I saw that it was about 640mm, on crop I assume? TAv is my
> go-to mode for a lot of my shooting these days too, riding the ISO
> isn't as problematic as it once was.
> 
>> On 7 November 2017 at 06:51, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Thanks much, Ann!
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:00 AM, ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hawk on a stick - yeah the blue sky is perfect.. Hawk looks like he is 
>>> scratching himself with other claw hidden by feather, or is he just resting 
>>> it? He's a sweetheart, nice grab
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
>>>> On 11/6/2017 11:32 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>>> I just took a look at what the camera
>>>> chose for this shot and found. It to
>>>> have been 640.
>>>> Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
>>>> they could be.(?)
>>>> 
>>>> J
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO 
>>>>> should be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally 
>>>>> less than Bright Sun.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find 
>>>>> the ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright 
>>>>> Sun. Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross 
>>>>> check. Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>>>>> manually?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan C
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>>>>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>>>>> To: PDML
>>>>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>>>>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>>>>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>>>>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>>>>> 
>>>>> C? Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>>>>> 
>>>>> J
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Rob Studdert]

Very nice, I saw that it was about 640mm, on crop I assume? TAv is my
go-to mode for a lot of my shooting these days too, riding the ISO
isn't as problematic as it once was.

On 7 November 2017 at 06:51, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Thanks much, Ann!
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:00 AM, ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hawk on a stick - yeah the blue sky is perfect.. Hawk looks like he is 
>> scratching himself with other claw hidden by feather, or is he just resting 
>> it? He's a sweetheart, nice grab
>>
>> ann
>>
>>> On 11/6/2017 11:32 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>> I just took a look at what the camera
>>> chose for this shot and found. It to
>>> have been 640.
>>> Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
>>> they could be.(?)
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>>>>
>>>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO 
>>>> should be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally 
>>>> less than Bright Sun.
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
>>>> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
>>>> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
>>>> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>>>>
>>>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>>>> manually?
>>>>
>>>> Alan C
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>>>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>>>> To: PDML
>>>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>>>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>>>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>>>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>>>>
>>>> C? Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Thanks much, Ann!
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:00 AM, ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hawk on a stick - yeah the blue sky is perfect.. Hawk looks like he is 
> scratching himself with other claw hidden by feather, or is he just resting 
> it? He's a sweetheart, nice grab
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 11/6/2017 11:32 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> I just took a look at what the camera
>> chose for this shot and found. It to
>> have been 640.
>> Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
>> they could be.(?)
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>>> 
>>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
>>> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
>>> Bright Sun.
>>> 
>>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
>>> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
>>> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
>>> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>>> 
>>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>>> manually?
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>>> To: PDML
>>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>>> 
>>> C? Thanks!
>>> 
>>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Well put, Ann. I yelled up at him and
asked about the whereabouts of his
left leg and was promptly shown
the foot with one toe sticking 
straight up. 8-o
Love your always unique comments.
J
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:00 AM, ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hawk on a stick - yeah the blue sky is perfect.. Hawk looks like he is 
> scratching himself with other claw hidden by feather, or is he just resting 
> it? He's a sweetheart, nice grab
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 11/6/2017 11:32 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> I just took a look at what the camera
>> chose for this shot and found. It to
>> have been 640.
>> Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
>> they could be.(?)
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>>> 
>>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
>>> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
>>> Bright Sun.
>>> 
>>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
>>> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
>>> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
>>> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>>> 
>>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>>> manually?
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>>> To: PDML
>>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>>> 
>>> C? Thanks!
>>> 
>>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[ann sanfedele]

Hawk on a stick - yeah the blue sky is perfect.. Hawk looks like he is 
scratching himself with other claw hidden by feather, or is he just 
resting it? He's a sweetheart, nice grab


ann

On 11/6/2017 11:32 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

I just took a look at what the camera
chose for this shot and found. It to
have been 640.
Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
they could be.(?)

J


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should be 
500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than Bright 
Sun.

I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. Next 
time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. Perhaps the 
metering mode makes some difference too?

Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281

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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[ann sanfedele]

Paul - out west in the high desert it can be more like sunny 22 :-)\

ann

On 11/6/2017 10:33 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 11 
is much closer to the truth.



On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should be 
500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than Bright 
Sun.

I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. Next 
time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. Perhaps the 
metering mode makes some difference too?

Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281

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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Alan C]

Paul

I am just south of the tropic. Sunny 16 is right in summertime but probably 
Sunny 11 in "winter". I would expect ISO's of about 1000 but am actually 
getting up to twice that. I hate tripods.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stenquist

Sent: 6 November, 2017 5:33 PM
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Subject: Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 
11 is much closer to the truth.




On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO 
should be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally 
less than Bright Sun.


I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?


Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281

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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

I just took a look at what the camera
chose for this shot and found. It to
have been 640.
Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
they could be.(?)

J


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
> 
> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
> Bright Sun.
> 
> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
> 
> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
> manually?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message----- From: Jack Davis
> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
> 
> J
> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Yes, I do, but you may have noticed,
I don't do it with any regularity.
Appreciated, Alan!
J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
> 
> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
> Bright Sun.
> 
> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
> 
> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
> manually?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message----- From: Jack Davis
> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
> 
> J
> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Much appreciated Paul!

J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Excellent shot of a handsome bird.
> Paul
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>> 
>> C? Thanks!
>> 
>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>> 
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Hand held!
That TAV setting is my standard.
Dependable for wing shots as well.
I was hoping for him to take off and
waited for a bit in case.
Thanks again.

J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> Is this handheld? If shooting a perched bird off a tripod or even a monopod, 
> I find that 1/500th is all that’s necessary. I do go to 1/1000th  or even 
> 1/2000th for handheld shots with big glass.
> 
> 
> Paul
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>> 
>> C? Thanks!
>> 
>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Guess I should thank "spell correct."
A mystery how it got so far off??

Thanks for commenting, John!
J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:01 AM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. I'll bet whatever the camera did that sky is a perfect 18% gray in B
> 
>> On 11/6/2017 10:33, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 
>> 11 is much closer to the truth.
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>>> 
>>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
>>> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
>>> Bright Sun.
>>> 
>>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
>>> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
>>> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
>>> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>>> 
>>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>>> manually?
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>>> To: PDML
>>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>>> 
>>> C? Thanks!
>>> 
>>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
> 
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Hi, Paul. You gotta love "spell
correct." How did it get there
from f8???

Thanks for commenting!
J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:33 AM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 
> 11 is much closer to the truth.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>> 
>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
>> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
>> Bright Sun.
>> 
>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
>> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
>> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
>> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>> 
>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>> manually?
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>> To: PDML
>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>> 
>> C? Thanks!
>> 
>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[John]

Yeah. I'll bet whatever the camera did that sky is a perfect 18% gray in B

On 11/6/2017 10:33, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 11 
is much closer to the truth.



On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should be 
500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than Bright 
Sun.

I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. Next 
time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. Perhaps the 
metering mode makes some difference too?

Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Paul Stenquist]

Is this handheld? If shooting a perched bird off a tripod or even a monopod, I 
find that 1/500th is all that’s necessary. I do go to 1/1000th  or even 
1/2000th for handheld shots with big glass.


Paul
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
> 
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Paul Stenquist]

Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 11 
is much closer to the truth.


> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
> 
> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
> Bright Sun.
> 
> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
> 
> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
> manually?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message----- From: Jack Davis
> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
> 
> J
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent shot of a handsome bird.
Paul
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Alan C]

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
Bright Sun.


I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?


Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Davis

Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281

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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Much appreciated, Dan!

The large size of that image
surprised me when I checked the
post. 
Recorded size and jpg status were
the usual. (?)

J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Handsome indeed!!
> 
> I like the arrangement of the branches and how they fit into the image and
> frame the bird.  It makes for a strong composition.  The sky color is
> lovely as rendered.
> 
> 
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>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>> 
>> C? Thanks!
>> 
>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>> 
>> J
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

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Handsome indeed!!

I like the arrangement of the branches and how they fit into the image and
frame the bird.  It makes for a strong composition.  The sky color is
lovely as rendered.


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>
>
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>
> C? Thanks!
>
> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>
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Peso-Red Shoulder

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Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

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Re: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks

[Bob Sullivan]

Walt,
We saw the first one sitting on a fire plug along the side of the road.
We stopped and watched for a while and #2 joined him.
They seemed to be feeding on bugs in the grass.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
   Very cool, Bob!

 I've seen two large hawks near near my home within the past several months,
 but haven't even come close to getting a decent shot of one.  It's getting a
 little frustrating, I must say.

 -- Walt

 On 2/9/2011 10:01 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Found these guys today, just standing around hunting bugs in the grass.

 https://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Exports2011#5571902437893618818

 K-5 and DA60-250/4 lens, lots of backlight corrected in Lightroom 3.2/

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Re: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks

[Jack Davis]

You did well in dealing with the strong back light. Not that important, but is 
there a little more of the sign available?
Really nice catch, Bob!

Jack

--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 8:01 PM
 Found these guys today, just standing
 around hunting bugs in the grass.
 
 https://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Exports2011#5571902437893618818
 
 K-5 and DA60-250/4 lens, lots of backlight corrected in
 Lightroom 3.2/
 
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Re: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks

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Jack,
Thanks, there really isn't much more of the sign to include.
I cropped out a bunch of sky at the top, but not much sign.
The back lighting wasn't a problem until they got up against the sky.
My chance to catch these guys really made your hawk shot more impressive.
Getting a sharp bird on the wing is really special.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 You did well in dealing with the strong back light. Not that important, but 
 is there a little more of the sign available?
 Really nice catch, Bob!

 Jack

 --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 8:01 PM
 Found these guys today, just standing
 around hunting bugs in the grass.

 https://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Exports2011#5571902437893618818

 K-5 and DA60-250/4 lens, lots of backlight corrected in
 Lightroom 3.2/

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Re: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks

[Jack Davis]

As I said, more of the sign isn't critical, but if the word Festival were 
complete, it would be a slightly cleaner for me.
Appreciate your comments re my latest hawk shot. I called it a Red Tail, but 
turns out it's, also, a Red-Shouldered. Awhile back I Googled bird 
identification and have used the resulting site a couple times. They corrected 
me, in this case.

Jack



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 From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 5:21 AM
 Jack,
 Thanks, there really isn't much more of the sign to
 include.
 I cropped out a bunch of sky at the top, but not much
 sign.
 The back lighting wasn't a problem until they got up
 against the sky.
 My chance to catch these guys really made your hawk shot
 more impressive.
 Getting a sharp bird on the wing is really special.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  You did well in dealing with the strong back light.
 Not that important, but is there a little more of the sign
 available?
  Really nice catch, Bob!
 
  Jack
 
  --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
  Subject: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks
  To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 8:01 PM
  Found these guys today, just standing
  around hunting bugs in the grass.
 
  https://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Exports2011#5571902437893618818
 
  K-5 and DA60-250/4 lens, lots of backlight
 corrected in
  Lightroom 3.2/
 
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Re: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks

[David J Brooks]

Very nice Bob.

Again good detail and colour;.

Dave

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Found these guys today, just standing around hunting bugs in the grass.

 https://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Exports2011#5571902437893618818

 K-5 and DA60-250/4 lens, lots of backlight corrected in Lightroom 3.2/

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PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks

[Don Guthrie]

These bird pictures are killing me! More please. I have none of my own 
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Found these guys today, just standing around hunting bugs in the grass.

https://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Exports2011#5571902437893618818

K-5 and DA60-250/4 lens, lots of backlight corrected in Lightroom 3.2/

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PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks

[Bob Sullivan]

Found these guys today, just standing around hunting bugs in the grass.

https://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Exports2011#5571902437893618818

K-5 and DA60-250/4 lens, lots of backlight corrected in Lightroom 3.2/

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Re: PESO: Red Shoulder Hawks

[Walter Gilbert]

   Very cool, Bob!

I've seen two large hawks near near my home within the past several 
months, but haven't even come close to getting a decent shot of one.  
It's getting a little frustrating, I must say.


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Found these guys today, just standing around hunting bugs in the grass.

https://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Exports2011#5571902437893618818

K-5 and DA60-250/4 lens, lots of backlight corrected in Lightroom 3.2/

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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[David J Brooks]

Thats a good shot Jack. The small limbs don't interfer at all, and the
bird is nice a crisp.

I think I'll start looking for an 80-320

Dave

On Dec 20, 2007 3:55 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant day
 and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
 A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
 Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered hawk
 taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
 anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY be
 available in the spring of '08.
 I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
 accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
 minimum.
 All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
 somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.
 Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.

 Jack

 All comments welcome!

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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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On Dec 20, 2007 5:01 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly to
 get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is already
 a very heavy crop and small file.
 Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a tighter
 crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
 breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
 I think it holds up fairly well.

 Jack

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277


Wonderful photo.  Like others, I too prefer the cropped version.

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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Jack Davis]

I might have settled on this crop, but your input guaranteed it.

Thanks, Ken!

Jack
--- Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yep, better.
 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast
 
 
  Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly
 to
  get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is
 already
  a very heavy crop and small file.
  Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a
 tighter
  crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
  breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
  I think it holds up fairly well.
 
  Jack
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277
 
  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect
 you're
  pushing things in that regard. Nice work.
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
  day
   and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
   A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
   Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
  hawk
   taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but
 am
   anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand,
 MAY
  be
   available in the spring of '08.
   I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife
 photographer'
   accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
   minimum.
   All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the
 target
   somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.
   Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.
  
   Jack
  
   All comments welcome!
  
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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No, I didn't Ann. I was actually just entering the area when he came up
out of the road side underbrush and flew along rather slowly
paralleling the roadway. He didn't go very far before stopping to rest
in a low tree limb no more than 40 t0 50 yds from my rig. I already had
the passenger window down, gently came to a stop in line with him  and
took about a half dozen shots.
I've paid some dues, but still felt lucky/rewarded.

Appreciate the comments.

Jack

 
--- ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack Davis wrote:
 
 Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant day
 and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
 A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point. 
 Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered hawk
 taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
 anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY be
 available in the spring of '08.
 I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
 accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
 minimum.
 All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
 somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping. 
 Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.
 
 Jack
 
 All comments welcome!
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=276
 
 
 I like it, but I'd crop it a lot more if it were mine... make it a 
 vertical with a little less to the right of the hawk
 The depth of the tree branches are a tad distracting.
 
 what birdie does he have there?  did you get to see him make the
 capture?
 
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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Probably a good move.

Thanks, Dave
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 Thats a good shot Jack. The small limbs don't interfer at all, and
 the
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 I think I'll start looking for an 80-320
 
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 On Dec 20, 2007 3:55 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
 day
  and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
  A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
  Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
 hawk
  taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
  anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY
 be
  available in the spring of '08.
  I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
  accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
  minimum.
  All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
  somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.
  Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.
 
  Jack
 
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Jack Davis]

I agree, Brian. I haven't cropped the full size file yet, only the down
sized web version. 420x520/339KB.
I'll crop the full size file and burn it to disk today.
Shot in RAW w/K10D, 200 ISO, f/6.7, spot metered  hand held.

Jack

--- Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Yes, I think the vertical crop is better balanced.  How big an image
 were you left with after the crop?
 
 I find the 80-320 a real workhorse lens.  Seems to perform much
 better than would be expected for a fairly low-spec lens.
 
 
 
 Cheers
 
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 Quoting Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly
  to
  get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is
  already
  a very heavy crop and small file.
  Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a
  tighter
  crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
  breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
  I think it holds up fairly well.
  
  Jack
  
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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Appreciate your input Frank.

Jack
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 On Dec 20, 2007 5:01 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly
 to
  get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is
 already
  a very heavy crop and small file.
  Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a
 tighter
  crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
  breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
  I think it holds up fairly well.
 
  Jack
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277
 
 
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PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Jack Davis]

Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant day
and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point. 
Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered hawk
taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY be
available in the spring of '08.
I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
minimum.
All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping. 
Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.

Jack

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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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Thanks, Cotty! 

Jack
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect you're pushing 
things in that regard. Nice work.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant day
 and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
 A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point. 
 Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered hawk
 taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
 anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY be
 available in the spring of '08.
 I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
 accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
 minimum.
 All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
 somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping. 
 Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.
 
 Jack
 
 All comments welcome!
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=276
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly to
get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is already
a very heavy crop and small file.
Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a tighter
crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
I think it holds up fairly well.

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect you're
 pushing things in that regard. Nice work.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
 day
  and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
  A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point. 
  Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
 hawk
  taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
  anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY
 be
  available in the spring of '08.
  I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
  accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
  minimum.
  All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
  somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping. 
  Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.
  
  Jack
  
  All comments welcome!
  
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=276
  
  
  
  
  

 


  
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Rick Womer]

Very nice, Jack, though I think I'll stick with my
Cheerios for breakfast!

Did you use the 80-320 at 320?  People often dump on
its performance past 250 or so, but I've generally
found it okay.

Rick

--- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this
 AM. Brilliant day
 and a nice break from recent, but much needed,
 rains.
 A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
 
 Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a
 Red-shouldered hawk
 taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well
 so far, but am
 anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I
 understand, MAY be
 available in the spring of '08.
 I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife
 photographer'
 accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be
 thinking 600mm
 minimum.
 All this type of shot takes is being there and
 shaking the target
 somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping. 
 Does give one the feeling of a true capture,
 however.
 
 Jack
 
 All comments welcome!
 

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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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I like that better. Good stuff.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly to
 get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is already
 a very heavy crop and small file.
 Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a tighter
 crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
 breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
 I think it holds up fairly well.

 Jack

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect you're
 pushing things in that regard. Nice work.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
 day
 and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
 A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
 Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
 hawk
 taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
 anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY
 be
 available in the spring of '08.
 I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
 accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
 minimum.
 All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
 somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.
 Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.

 Jack

 All comments welcome!

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=276








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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Jack Davis]

I've been pleased with the 320 setting on this lens, but didn't recall.
I checked the EXIF date and find that it was taken at 320. 
As I indicated, the posted image is, also, a heavy crop,

Maybe even Fruit Loops?

Thanks for comments, Rick

Jack

--- Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Very nice, Jack, though I think I'll stick with my
 Cheerios for breakfast!
 
 Did you use the 80-320 at 320?  People often dump on
 its performance past 250 or so, but I've generally
 found it okay.
 
 Rick
 
 --- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this
  AM. Brilliant day
  and a nice break from recent, but much needed,
  rains.
  A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
  
  Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a
  Red-shouldered hawk
  taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well
  so far, but am
  anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I
  understand, MAY be
  available in the spring of '08.
  I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife
  photographer'
  accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be
  thinking 600mm
  minimum.
  All this type of shot takes is being there and
  shaking the target
  somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping. 
  Does give one the feeling of a true capture,
  however.
  
  Jack
  
  All comments welcome!
  
 
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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In a message dated 12/20/2007 12:57:14 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Went to the local State  Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant day
and a nice break from recent,  but much needed, rains.
A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.  
Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered  hawk
taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but  am
anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY  be
available in the spring of '08.
I have no serious intention of becoming  'a wildlife photographer'
accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be  thinking 600mm
minimum.
All this type of shot takes is being there and  shaking the target
somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.  
Does give one the feeling of a true capture,  however.

Jack

All comments  welcome!

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=276

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Nice  one, Jack! Good framing on bird and his (gory) breakfast.

Marnie aka  Doe  :-) Sometimes I'd rather not  know.

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RE: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Bill Owens]

I agree with Paul.  The vertical crop is very, very nice

Bill

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul
Stenquist
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:54 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

I like that better. Good stuff.
Paul
On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly to
 get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is already
 a very heavy crop and small file.
 Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a tighter
 crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
 breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
 I think it holds up fairly well.

 Jack

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect you're
 pushing things in that regard. Nice work.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
 day
 and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
 A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
 Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
 hawk
 taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
 anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY
 be
 available in the spring of '08.
 I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
 accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
 minimum.
 All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
 somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.
 Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.

 Jack

 All comments welcome!

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RE: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Jack Davis]

I agree completely!

Thanks, Bill.

Jack
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 I agree with Paul.  The vertical crop is very, very nice
 
 Bill
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Paul
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 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:54 PM
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 Subject: Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast
 
 I like that better. Good stuff.
 Paul
 On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly
 to
  get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is
 already
  a very heavy crop and small file.
  Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a
 tighter
  crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
  breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
  I think it holds up fairly well.
 
  Jack
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277
 
  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect
 you're
  pushing things in that regard. Nice work.
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
  day
  and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
  A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
  Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
  hawk
  taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but
 am
  anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY
  be
  available in the spring of '08.
  I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
  accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
  minimum.
  All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
  somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.
  Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.
 
  Jack
 
  All comments welcome!
 
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Jack Davis]

Yeah, it is sorta gaggy.(UGH)  Such things do look better in the
Safeway meat case all wrapped in poly with a Foster Farms sticker, huh?
;)

Thanks, Marnie!

Jack
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 12/20/2007 12:57:14 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Went to the local State  Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant day
 and a nice break from recent,  but much needed, rains.
 A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.  
 Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered  hawk
 taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but  am
 anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY  be
 available in the spring of '08.
 I have no serious intention of becoming  'a wildlife photographer'
 accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be  thinking 600mm
 minimum.
 All this type of shot takes is being there and  shaking the target
 somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.  
 Does give one the feeling of a true capture,  however.
 
 Jack
 
 All comments  welcome!
 
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Christine Aguila]

Jack:  I like this one better too.  Cheers, Christine



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 Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly to
 get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is already
 a very heavy crop and small file.
 Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a tighter
 crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
 breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
 I think it holds up fairly well.

 Jack

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect you're
 pushing things in that regard. Nice work.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
 day
  and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
  A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
  Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
 hawk
  taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
  anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY
 be
  available in the spring of '08.
  I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
  accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
  minimum.
  All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
  somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.
  Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.
 
  Jack
 
  All comments welcome!
 
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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Thanks, Christine.

Jack
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 Jack:  I like this one better too.  Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:01 PM
 Subject: Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast
 
 
  Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly
 to
  get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is
 already
  a very heavy crop and small file.
  Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a
 tighter
  crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
  breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
  I think it holds up fairly well.
 
  Jack
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277
 
  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect
 you're
  pushing things in that regard. Nice work.
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
  day
   and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
   A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
   Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
  hawk
   taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but
 am
   anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand,
 MAY
  be
   available in the spring of '08.
   I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife
 photographer'
   accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
   minimum.
   All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the
 target
   somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.
   Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.
  
   Jack
  
   All comments welcome!
  
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

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Yep, better.

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From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast


 Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly to
 get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is already
 a very heavy crop and small file.
 Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a tighter
 crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
 breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
 I think it holds up fairly well.

 Jack

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 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect you're
 pushing things in that regard. Nice work.
 Paul
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 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
 day
  and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
  A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point.
  Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
 hawk
  taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
  anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY
 be
  available in the spring of '08.
  I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
  accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
  minimum.
  All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
  somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping.
  Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.
 
  Jack
 
  All comments welcome!
 
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[Brian Walters]

Yes, I think the vertical crop is better balanced.  How big an image were you 
left with after the crop?

I find the 80-320 a real workhorse lens.  Seems to perform much better than 
would be expected for a fairly low-spec lens.



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Quoting Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly
 to
 get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is
 already
 a very heavy crop and small file.
 Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a
 tighter
 crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
 breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
 I think it holds up fairly well.
 
 Jack
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277


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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[ann sanfedele]

Jack Davis wrote:

Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant day
and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point. 
Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered hawk
taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY be
available in the spring of '08.
I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
minimum.
All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping. 
Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.

Jack

All comments welcome!

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=276


I like it, but I'd crop it a lot more if it were mine... make it a 
vertical with a little less to the right of the hawk
The depth of the tree branches are a tad distracting.

what birdie does he have there?  did you get to see him make the capture?

ann








  
 
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Re: PESO: Red-shoulder Breakfast

[ann sanfedele]

I've wasted some bandwidth by doing what I always thought was a good 
idea -- commenting before reading those of others.
So I opened your post first... then saw the virtual dittos re the 
cropping :)

I do think this crop is better .

ann

Jack Davis wrote:

Thanks, Paul. You're right, I did consider a tighter crop, mainly to
get rid of those fuzzy limbs close in on the left, but this is already
a very heavy crop and small file.
Ken suggested the same thing, so I'm providing the link to a tighter
crop. It's a vertical to include that 'wing' hanging down from
breakfast, the lower tip of which I cut off slightly when shot.
I think it holds up fairly well.

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=277

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Good one. A somewhat tighter crop would be nice, but I suspect you're
pushing things in that regard. Nice work.
Paul
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From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Went to the local State Wildlife Area, again, this AM. Brilliant
  

day


and a nice break from recent, but much needed, rains.
A pro friend has gotten me into hawks at this point. 
Am linking a crop from the middle of a shot of a Red-shouldered
  

hawk


taken with my trusty FA 80~320. It's serving me well so far, but am
anxious to eventually get the DA* 60~250 which, I understand, MAY
  

be


available in the spring of '08.
I have no serious intention of becoming 'a wildlife photographer'
accept on a very casual basis. If I were, I'd be thinking 600mm
minimum.
All this type of shot takes is being there and shaking the target
somewhere within the frame, little PS and cropping. 
Does give one the feeling of a true capture, however.

Jack

All comments welcome!

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=276





  

  


  


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