Re: Daytona Superbird
No, the price I remember was for a *1966* Plymouth Belvedere II that I was reminded of by the original posting. The Daytona and/or the Superbird had not yet been introduced when I was in high school. The 1966 Belvedere II with a 426 Hemi preceded the Dodge Charger Daytona model by three-and-a-half years (four years for the Plymouth Superbird) and was simply a very plain, bare bones, 2-door automobile with a big ass engine shoe-horned in under the hood. According to what I read today, the 426 Hemi was introduced to NASCAR in 1964, but Chrysler was not allowed to use it for the 1965 season because it wasn't available in a production vehicle. Chrysler fixed that in the 1966 model year by offering the 426 Hemi as an option on the 1966 Belvedere II and the low price I saw may have reflected something of a loss leader to sell enough of them in a short enough time to meet NASCAR's requirements. By the time the Charger Daytona and Plymouth Superbird came along, Chrysler didn't need to encourage those sales to meet NASCAR's requirements; the muscle-car phenomenon had caught on by then. On 2/22/2014 3:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: That price is wrong. Here’s a marooned sticker from a Dodge Daytona with the less expensive 440 engine. It’s well over 4K. This car was an OE restoration winner at the Mopar Nationals a couple of years back. You can back up to the folder if you want to see it. Not very pretty. The nose is correctly mismatched and the assembly is appropriately shoddy. That’s the way it came from the factory, so that’s the way the OE resto boys finish them. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16382240 On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: For reference, in 1966, my 1966 Shelby GT 350 was only $4200, new out the door. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. In '67 my dad bought a brand new Plymouth Barracuda Fastback for about $3,500. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thinking about it while I've been reading up on the subject, I think the price may have been something of a loss leader. It was a *great* deal price-wise looking back from TODAY, but back then I don't think the factory Muscle Car phenomenon had got off the ground yet. This was a year, maybe two before it really took off. The demand wasn't there Chrysler needed to sell a bunch of cars with a 426 Hemi before the 1966 NASCAR season. Chrysler ran the 426 Hemi in 1964, but NASCAR banned it in 1965 because the engine wasn't available in a production vehicle. So they offered it as an option in 1966 I'm pretty sure they had to sell a certain number to make it acceptable to NASCAR. On 2/22/2014 3:57 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: that was still a damn good deal, even in '66 considering it had the 426 hemi and 3 on the floor. On 2/22/2014 3:42 PM, John wrote: Not a Superbird, not even a Road Runner - a 1966 Belvedere II 2-dr, but with a 426 Hemi 3-speed on the floor manual transmission. I don't know why, but that's what it was. I think it was the same platform that would in later years be used for the Road Runner Superbird, but this particular model was at least a couple of years before that happened. It was still the days when Dodge was the brand little old spinster school teachers drove (The Little Old Lady from Pasadena not withstanding) because they stopped making DeSotos in 1960. The Chrysler 300 was a preacher's car because Cadillacs were too flashy for a man of the cloth who didn't want to be seen putting on airs. Not much more than a year after the debut of the Ford Mustang the Plymouth Barracuda was still regarded as just a sporty version Plymouth Valiant. Prices went up a whole lot later on, but it was cheap because it wasn't that popular (YET). Keep in mind that at that time Durham, NC was a small town whose major industry was the manufacture of cigarettes as a market town for tobacco farmers. It sat on the showroom floor the whole of my junior year in high school; a good nine months which is a long time for a dealer to have a vehicle sitting on the lot. On 2/22/2014 2:10 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: $2400 for the superbird?? no way! On 2/22/2014 12:43 PM, John wrote: It *was* remarkably low. That's why I remember it for so long. It was about the same price as the plain vanilla Chevy 4-dr sedan my father had bought the year before and I found that amazing. On 2/21/2014 7:35 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird I never thought they were as cool as the Plymouth Belvedere II that preceded them. I remember back in high school the local Plymouth dealer was on the way when I walked from school to my after school job I'd sometimes stop in to drool over a '66 2-door, 426 Hemi, 3-speed on the floor (Hurst shifter I think - that may be just wishful thinking, but it *was* a floor shift). Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. On 2/21/2014 2:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. In '67 my dad bought a brand new Plymouth Barracuda Fastback for about $3,500. My brand new 73 Datsun 1200 was $2250 out the door. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It *was* remarkably low. That's why I remember it for so long. It was about the same price as the plain vanilla Chevy 4-dr sedan my father had bought the year before and I found that amazing. On 2/21/2014 7:35 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird I never thought they were as cool as the Plymouth Belvedere II that preceded them. I remember back in high school the local Plymouth dealer was on the way when I walked from school to my after school job I'd sometimes stop in to drool over a '66 2-door, 426 Hemi, 3-speed on the floor (Hurst shifter I think - that may be just wishful thinking, but it *was* a floor shift). Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. On 2/21/2014 2:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/22/2014 2:16 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 21/2/14, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona- used-5111490.html Nice! Unfortunately I have to ask 'how much' and we all know what *that* means Yeah, you gotta' know how much to make the check (or cheque) out for. 8-D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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$2400 for the superbird?? no way! On 2/22/2014 12:43 PM, John wrote: It *was* remarkably low. That's why I remember it for so long. It was about the same price as the plain vanilla Chevy 4-dr sedan my father had bought the year before and I found that amazing. On 2/21/2014 7:35 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird I never thought they were as cool as the Plymouth Belvedere II that preceded them. I remember back in high school the local Plymouth dealer was on the way when I walked from school to my after school job I'd sometimes stop in to drool over a '66 2-door, 426 Hemi, 3-speed on the floor (Hurst shifter I think - that may be just wishful thinking, but it *was* a floor shift). Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. On 2/21/2014 2:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Daytona Superbird
Not a Superbird, not even a Road Runner - a 1966 Belvedere II 2-dr, but with a 426 Hemi 3-speed on the floor manual transmission. I don't know why, but that's what it was. I think it was the same platform that would in later years be used for the Road Runner Superbird, but this particular model was at least a couple of years before that happened. It was still the days when Dodge was the brand little old spinster school teachers drove (The Little Old Lady from Pasadena not withstanding) because they stopped making DeSotos in 1960. The Chrysler 300 was a preacher's car because Cadillacs were too flashy for a man of the cloth who didn't want to be seen putting on airs. Not much more than a year after the debut of the Ford Mustang the Plymouth Barracuda was still regarded as just a sporty version Plymouth Valiant. Prices went up a whole lot later on, but it was cheap because it wasn't that popular (YET). Keep in mind that at that time Durham, NC was a small town whose major industry was the manufacture of cigarettes as a market town for tobacco farmers. It sat on the showroom floor the whole of my junior year in high school; a good nine months which is a long time for a dealer to have a vehicle sitting on the lot. On 2/22/2014 2:10 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: $2400 for the superbird?? no way! On 2/22/2014 12:43 PM, John wrote: It *was* remarkably low. That's why I remember it for so long. It was about the same price as the plain vanilla Chevy 4-dr sedan my father had bought the year before and I found that amazing. On 2/21/2014 7:35 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird I never thought they were as cool as the Plymouth Belvedere II that preceded them. I remember back in high school the local Plymouth dealer was on the way when I walked from school to my after school job I'd sometimes stop in to drool over a '66 2-door, 426 Hemi, 3-speed on the floor (Hurst shifter I think - that may be just wishful thinking, but it *was* a floor shift). Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. On 2/21/2014 2:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Daytona Superbird
That price is wrong. Here’s a marooned sticker from a Dodge Daytona with the less expensive 440 engine. It’s well over 4K. This car was an OE restoration winner at the Mopar Nationals a couple of years back. You can back up to the folder if you want to see it. Not very pretty. The nose is correctly mismatched and the assembly is appropriately shoddy. That’s the way it came from the factory, so that’s the way the OE resto boys finish them. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16382240 On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: For reference, in 1966, my 1966 Shelby GT 350 was only $4200, new out the door. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. In '67 my dad bought a brand new Plymouth Barracuda Fastback for about $3,500. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Daytona Superbird
that was still a damn good deal, even in '66 considering it had the 426 hemi and 3 on the floor. On 2/22/2014 3:42 PM, John wrote: Not a Superbird, not even a Road Runner - a 1966 Belvedere II 2-dr, but with a 426 Hemi 3-speed on the floor manual transmission. I don't know why, but that's what it was. I think it was the same platform that would in later years be used for the Road Runner Superbird, but this particular model was at least a couple of years before that happened. It was still the days when Dodge was the brand little old spinster school teachers drove (The Little Old Lady from Pasadena not withstanding) because they stopped making DeSotos in 1960. The Chrysler 300 was a preacher's car because Cadillacs were too flashy for a man of the cloth who didn't want to be seen putting on airs. Not much more than a year after the debut of the Ford Mustang the Plymouth Barracuda was still regarded as just a sporty version Plymouth Valiant. Prices went up a whole lot later on, but it was cheap because it wasn't that popular (YET). Keep in mind that at that time Durham, NC was a small town whose major industry was the manufacture of cigarettes as a market town for tobacco farmers. It sat on the showroom floor the whole of my junior year in high school; a good nine months which is a long time for a dealer to have a vehicle sitting on the lot. On 2/22/2014 2:10 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: $2400 for the superbird?? no way! On 2/22/2014 12:43 PM, John wrote: It *was* remarkably low. That's why I remember it for so long. It was about the same price as the plain vanilla Chevy 4-dr sedan my father had bought the year before and I found that amazing. On 2/21/2014 7:35 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird I never thought they were as cool as the Plymouth Belvedere II that preceded them. I remember back in high school the local Plymouth dealer was on the way when I walked from school to my after school job I'd sometimes stop in to drool over a '66 2-door, 426 Hemi, 3-speed on the floor (Hurst shifter I think - that may be just wishful thinking, but it *was* a floor shift). Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. On 2/21/2014 2:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah? Couldn't remember how to spell it and too lazy to check:-) Paul via phone On Feb 22, 2014, at 5:22 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: You obviously meant Monroney sticker. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird That price is wrong. Here’s a marooned sticker from a Dodge Daytona with the less expensive 440 engine. It’s well over 4K. This car was an OE restoration winner at the Mopar Nationals a couple of years back. You can back up to the folder if you want to see it. Not very pretty. The nose is correctly mismatched and the assembly is appropriately shoddy. That’s the way it came from the factory, so that’s the way the OE resto boys finish them. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16382240 On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: For reference, in 1966, my 1966 Shelby GT 350 was only $4200, new out the door. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. In '67 my dad bought a brand new Plymouth Barracuda Fastback for about $3,500. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You obviously meant Monroney sticker. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird That price is wrong. Here’s a marooned sticker from a Dodge Daytona with the less expensive 440 engine. It’s well over 4K. This car was an OE restoration winner at the Mopar Nationals a couple of years back. You can back up to the folder if you want to see it. Not very pretty. The nose is correctly mismatched and the assembly is appropriately shoddy. That’s the way it came from the factory, so that’s the way the OE resto boys finish them. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16382240 On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: For reference, in 1966, my 1966 Shelby GT 350 was only $4200, new out the door. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. In '67 my dad bought a brand new Plymouth Barracuda Fastback for about $3,500. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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To ruin the airflow for those trying to draft, of course. Godfrey On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:51 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nothing that sophisticated... Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 2:11:40 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: To ruin the airflow for those trying to draft, of course. Godfrey On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:51 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 01:28:37PM -0500, Doug Franklin wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html I've seen it (in fact I've probably got a picture of it somewhere). Larry I took a stroll around Bruce Canepa's museum/workshop a while ago; it's just a few miles down the road from Larry's place. It's a nice car, but by no means the nicest car we saw that day. I'd guess it won't be cheap, either - I doubt if anything out on the show floor would sell for under six figures, and many of them would have been well into the seven figure range. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bingo! :-) Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 2:29:20 PM EST, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html It looks kind of like this one: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157641327668233/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/21/2014 1:28 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html Technically, the Superbird was the Plymouth version. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I never thought they were as cool as the Plymouth Belvedere II that preceded them. I remember back in high school the local Plymouth dealer was on the way when I walked from school to my after school job I'd sometimes stop in to drool over a '66 2-door, 426 Hemi, 3-speed on the floor (Hurst shifter I think - that may be just wishful thinking, but it *was* a floor shift). Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. On 2/21/2014 2:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And its right in Larry's backyard ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Subject: Daytona Superbird OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird I never thought they were as cool as the Plymouth Belvedere II that preceded them. I remember back in high school the local Plymouth dealer was on the way when I walked from school to my after school job I'd sometimes stop in to drool over a '66 2-door, 426 Hemi, 3-speed on the floor (Hurst shifter I think - that may be just wishful thinking, but it *was* a floor shift). Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. On 2/21/2014 2:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: There was a production version of the Daytona — had to be to make it legal for NASCAR — and the wing had to be high enough for the trunk lid to open. That’s the story of legend anyway. But the car was designed in a wind tunnel and it may well have been that the wing caught more air when positioned high. The production versions of the Daytonas and the Plymouth Superbird version were crudely assembled. The gaps on the nose cone didn’t align and the pain on the rear spoiler didn’t match the body color. Now when the obsessive original equipment collectors restore them they try to make them less than perfect. Shot several of them that were judged at shows over the past few years. The winning cars all were a bit off kilter. On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:51 PM, knarf knarftheria u...@gmail.com wrote: Quick! Why was the rear wing so high? No googling, that's cheating. Drool-worthy car. Remember seeing one on the street for the first time. Oh baby! Cheers, frank On 21 February, 2014 1:28:37 PM EST, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: And its right in Larry's backyard ! Not quite my backyard, but if you look closely, I posted photographic proof that I could see myself in it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Walnut veneer on a race car!?! I had a 1966 Charger in Oz for a while - crude but great to drive. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Saturday, 22 February 2014 9:45 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html It looks kind of like this one: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157641327668233/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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in 69 there was the charger daytona and in 70 there was the plymouth superbird, but I dont think there was ever a Daytona superbird. The motor was a 426 hemi, not a 429 unless it was bored and or stroked a little. On 2/21/2014 1:28 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-used-5111490.html -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. In '67 my dad bought a brand new Plymouth Barracuda Fastback for about $3,500. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For reference, in 1966, my 1966 Shelby GT 350 was only $4200, new out the door. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Subject: Re: Daytona Superbird On 2014-02-21 19:35, Ken Waller wrote: Sticker price as equipped $2400 including optional heater AM radio. Seems remarkably low. In '67 my dad bought a brand new Plymouth Barracuda Fastback for about $3,500. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/2/14, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed: OK, Cotty, here's your chance! A real, honest-to-God Daytona Superbird with an actual racing history, and a 429, is for sale. No price listed. :) http://www.motorsportretro.com/2014/02/1969-dodge-charger-daytona/ http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1969-dodge-charger-daytona- used-5111490.html Nice! Unfortunately I have to ask 'how much' and we all know what *that* means -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
