Re: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-12 Thread akozak
Hi,
It is truth that old K, M lenses are built very well. My SMC K 135/2.5 is built like a 
tank and other my K i M lenses are very good in this respect.
Alek
Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Alek wrote:

 Thank you! so for the price K35/3.5 is great and if one can afford to buy FA 
version it pays.
 I shall try to find old for beginning.


The problem with AF lenses (most of them anyway) is that they are AF lenses; loose, 
rattly, and focuses past infinity. Unfortunately, I've discovered that initially 
tight AF lenses develop looseness over time. It may well be that some newer AF 
designs are potentially beter optically, but getting the best out of them is more of 
a hassle. Older, MF lenses are built to last forever and my experience is that they 
do and never ever get out of alignment or develop rattles. 


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Re: 30mm f2.8 was Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-12 Thread Dan Scott

On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 02:57  PM, Lon Williamson wrote:


I have never had the nerve to shoot over 1X.  How fiddly is doing
this?



You'll definitely want to use a tripod.

Dan Scott




Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-11 Thread Pl Jensen
Alek wrote:

 Thank you! so for the price K35/3.5 is great and if one can afford to buy FA version 
it pays.
 I shall try to find old for beginning.


The problem with AF lenses (most of them anyway) is that they are AF lenses; loose, 
rattly, and focuses past infinity. Unfortunately, I've discovered that initially 
tight AF lenses develop looseness over time. It may well be that some newer AF 
designs are potentially beter optically, but getting the best out of them is more of a 
hassle. Older, MF lenses are built to last forever and my experience is that they do 
and never ever get out of alignment or develop rattles. 


Pål





Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-11 Thread Alexander Krohe
The problem with AF lenses (most of them anyway) is
that they are AF lenses; loose, 
rattly, and focuses past infinity. Unfortunately,
I've discovered that initially 
tight AF lenses develop looseness over time. It may
well be that some newer AF 
designs are potentially beter optically, but getting
the best out of them is more of a 
hassle. 

I have noticed this too but I do not think that the
degree of looseness is a measure for the degree of
durability. I think they are designed to become looser
with use (to keep friction as low a possible). Once
they have become loose it stays like this. 

However,there is a big difference between built
quality among the various AF lenses. You have to pay
much for built quality (I estimate that today a lens
with a built quality comparable to that of the
K-lenses is at least 4-5x more expensive than it was
in the eighteens).  
  

Older, MF lenses are built to last forever and my
experience is that they do 
and never ever get out of alignment or develop
rattles. 

I aggree. But in those days, lenses were not
categorized into consumer and pro lenses. Those
who could afford the fast version bought a slower
version of a lens. Both were made according to the
same (high) standard. 
Today, the consumer is feeded with junk lenses while
the right stuff has become excessively expensive
considering the prices from the eighteens. 

Alexander 


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Re: 30mm f2.8 was Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-11 Thread Alexander Krohe
I agree with all those positive comments about the
30mm/2.8 lens (particularly about it's great range of
tonality). I just want to add that it also delivers
remarkably high quality over-life size macro shots (in
reverse mode on a bellows or extension rings). I have
used this lens for 4x or 5x life size macro shots and
I am quite pleased with the results.
Enjoy,
Alexander



Bob wrote:

Hi Thibault
The 30mm is probably one of Pentax's most
under-rated lenses and one of
their best. I have one and have been singing great
pleasures of joy since I
bought it. I am sure that this lens was a all stops
pulled design and I
would be interested how the 31mm limited compares. I
personally don't think
the 30mm could be significantly bettered by the 31mm
or competing lenses
near that focal length.

Bob Rapp
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


 I had read many good things before buying my 30/2.8
and all I can tell is
that I wasn't disapointed by the qualities of this
lens. Although it is
especially sharp, as the MTF tests can indicate, it
has also a very strong
visual sharpness and a great range of tonality. The
rendering of out of
focus scenes is also quite pleasing, especially close
focus scenes.

 Mechanically the lens is awesome and still very
light, lighter than K
28/3.5.

 The characteristic I like most about this lens is
the very low distortion
you
 get given the relative wide angle of the lens.
Buildings and lines near
the
 edges of the frames are rendered very linear, making
this lens a very good
lens
 for street photography.

 I have yet to see a lens of the same angle and size
with so little
distortions.

 The fact that the lens is quite rare explains its
high price on the used
market
 but it is also due to its qualities.

 Thibault Grouas.


 Well the 30mm is more of a substitute, and a much
superior one at that,
for
 one of the K or M 28mm lenses.  That said I can
only second the
assessment
 that this is a great lens.  It may be overlooked
due to it's relative
rarity.
 
 At 09:36 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:
 
 In a message dated 12/10/02 7:05:32 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  As Bob Rapp said, a Pentax-M 35mm f/3.5 is a
superior lens, and
better
 
 than most other 35 mm lenses from anyone.
 
 That is HIS opinion. It is also my opinion. 
 
 I have 35/3.5 lens and agree that it is a very
good lens. But one lens
that
 seems to get overlooked here on a regular basis is
the 30/2.8. If you
are a
 believer in lens tests, this is the one to get.
 Vic
 





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Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread Dan Scott

On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 01:41  AM, Ken Archer wrote:


Keep looking.  They are available.  I have been watching ebay for a
couple of years for a K3.5/35.  I found one a month ago on ebay for $30
in mint condition.  Only the plastic cap had a little silver lettering
rubbed off on it.

On Tuesday 10 December 2002 01:04 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So good luck in looking for K35/3.5 lens. I also plan to replace my
M35/2.8 with any K 35mm or even FA35/2.0 in future. Alek

--
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San Antonio, Texas
Business Is Going To The Dogs


Hey Ken,

On our next get together let's each shoot a couple frames of the same 
subject with the K35/3.5 and the FA 35/2. That ought to show a little 
of the similarities and differences between the two (@ f/3.5 and down).

What do you think?

Dan Scott



Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread Peter Alling
Well the 30mm is more of a substitute, and a much superior one at that, for
one of the K or M 28mm lenses.  That said I can only second the assessment
that this is a great lens.  It may be overlooked due to it's relative rarity.


At 09:36 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:


In a message dated 12/10/02 7:05:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 As Bob Rapp said, a Pentax-M 35mm f/3.5 is a superior lens, and better

than most other 35 mm lenses from anyone.

That is HIS opinion. It is also my opinion. 

I have 35/3.5 lens and agree that it is a very good lens. But one lens that
seems to get overlooked here on a regular basis is the 30/2.8. If you are a
believer in lens tests, this is the one to get.
Vic





Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread akozak
Is FA 35/2.0 better than highly recommended K35/2.0 and K35/3.5 lenses?Which is the 
best?
Alek
Uytkownik Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FA35/2.0 which is probably very good.
 Alek


No _probably_ about it Alek. Just, FA35/2.o which is very good. vbg


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Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread Bob Rapp
Only if you need auto focus. The 35 f3.5 is in a league of its own - try and
buy one in the K mount!

Bob Rapp
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


Is FA 35/2.0 better than highly recommended K35/2.0 and K35/3.5 lenses?Which
is the best?
Alek
Uytkownik Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FA35/2.0 which is probably very good.
 Alek


No _probably_ about it Alek. Just, FA35/2.o which is very good. vbg


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Re: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread akozak
I do not need AF! I just want to have great 35mm lens. I own M35/2.8 and probably K 
35mm are better... Any opinion?
Alek

Uytkownik Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Only if you need auto focus. The 35 f3.5 is in a league of its own - try and
buy one in the K mount!

Bob Rapp
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


Is FA 35/2.0 better than highly recommended K35/2.0 and K35/3.5 lenses?Which
is the best?
Alek
Uytkownik Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FA35/2.0 which is probably very good.
 Alek


No _probably_ about it Alek. Just, FA35/2.o which is very good. vbg


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Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread Keith Whaley
As Bob Rapp said, a Pentax-M 35mm f/3.5 is a superior lens, and better
than most other 35 mm lenses from anyone.
That is HIS opinion. It is also my opinion.

How much superior is totally dependend on what the user does with it.
There are several features or qualities about lenses and how they perform.
What is important to YOU is only known by you.
If you want mid-range sharpness, that lens has few equals.
If you want good bokeh, you'll have to listen to those who know ~ I
don't pretend to be a lens expert NOR a bokeh expert.

Do try to understand one thing, and this does not only apply to
lenses: there is no such thing as best over all others.
There is only better than something else. 
What might turn out to actually BE best for YOU, may not be agreed
upon by somebody else. They may have reasons to say it is NOT best,
for them. 
It's that reason that no-one can absolutely say This [whatever] is
the very best. It cannot be true for everyone, for all circumstances.
So, having said that, I'd try to stay with the question Which lens is
better for me, than any others I know about?

Also, don't forget, price enters into it as well.
There are probably special lenses that have incorporated certain
design features in them, that are quite superior to most if not all
other lenses of it's type. But the cost is very very high. For
instance, if you only get more sharpness from that extra money, may
not be worth the high price.

No-ne can answer that question for you. Take all you learn and think
on it. Only you can decide.

Keith Whaley

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I do not need AF! I just want to have great 35mm lens. I own M35/2.8 and probably K 
35mm are better... Any opinion?
 Alek
 
 U¿ytkownik Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa3:
 Only if you need auto focus. The 35 f3.5 is in a league of its own - try and
 buy one in the K mount!
 
 Bob Rapp
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:49 PM
 Subject: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?
 
 
 Is FA 35/2.0 better than highly recommended K35/2.0 and K35/3.5 lenses?Which
 is the best?
 Alek

 U¿ytkownik Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa3:
 On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  FA35/2.0 which is probably very good.
  Alek
 
 
 No _probably_ about it Alek. Just, FA35/2.o which is very good. vbg
 
 
 Dan Scott




Re: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread William Johnson
I have a friend with the M35/2.8 and I have the Super Takumar 35/3.5 which is supposed 
to be the same optically as the K35/3.5 (except no SMC) and the Super Tak is 
definitely a better lens, though the M35 is not bad. If you can find the K35 at a good 
price, I would pick it up.   I'm still looking for one myself, I got the Super Tak 
because 
the K is so scarce, and I haven't regretted it at all.

William in Utah.

12/10/2002 4:06:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I do not need AF! I just want to have great 35mm lens. I own M35/2.8 and probably K 
35mm are better... Any opinion?
Alek

Uytkownik Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Only if you need auto focus. The 35 f3.5 is in a league of its own - try and
buy one in the K mount!

Bob Rapp
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


Is FA 35/2.0 better than highly recommended K35/2.0 and K35/3.5 lenses?Which
is the best?
Alek
Uytkownik Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FA35/2.0 which is probably very good.
 Alek


No _probably_ about it Alek. Just, FA35/2.o which is very good. vbg


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Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread akozak
It was K35/3.5 I think.
I see what you mean it is difficult to say it is the best lens etc.
But taking into consideration only sharpness, resolution and color rendition one can 
show which is better. I know the price of FA 35/2.0 ( do not know average price of 
K35/2.0) but I just wanted to know which you recommend. Of course if old K35/3.5 will 
turn out just a little bit worse than new FA 35/2.0 I would buy old one. I usually use 
this focal length for landcapes and speed is not so important for me.
Alek









com napisa:
As Bob Rapp said, a Pentax-M 35mm f/3.5 is a superior lens, and better
than most other 35 mm lenses from anyone.
That is HIS opinion. It is also my opinion.

How much superior is totally dependend on what the user does with it.
There are several features or qualities about lenses and how they perform.
What is important to YOU is only known by you.
If you want mid-range sharpness, that lens has few equals.
If you want good bokeh, you'll have to listen to those who know ~ I
don't pretend to be a lens expert NOR a bokeh expert.

Do try to understand one thing, and this does not only apply to
lenses: there is no such thing as best over all others.
There is only better than something else. 
What might turn out to actually BE best for YOU, may not be agreed
upon by somebody else. They may have reasons to say it is NOT best,
for them. 
It's that reason that no-one can absolutely say This [whatever] is
the very best. It cannot be true for everyone, for all circumstances.
So, having said that, I'd try to stay with the question Which lens is
better for me, than any others I know about?

Also, don't forget, price enters into it as well.
There are probably special lenses that have incorporated certain
design features in them, that are quite superior to most if not all
other lenses of it's type. But the cost is very very high. For
instance, if you only get more sharpness from that extra money, may
not be worth the high price.

No-ne can answer that question for you. Take all you learn and think
on it. Only you can decide.

Keith Whaley

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I do not need AF! I just want to have great 35mm lens. I own M35/2.8 and probably K 
35mm are better... Any opinion?
 Alek
 
 Uytkownik Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa3:
 Only if you need auto focus. The 35 f3.5 is in a league of its own - try and
 buy one in the K mount!
 
 Bob Rapp
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:49 PM
 Subject: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?
 
 
 Is FA 35/2.0 better than highly recommended K35/2.0 and K35/3.5 lenses?Which
 is the best?
 Alek

 Uytkownik Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa3:
 On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  FA35/2.0 which is probably very good.
  Alek
 
 
 No _probably_ about it Alek. Just, FA35/2.o which is very good. vbg
 
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread akozak
So good luck in looking for K35/3.5 lens. I also plan to replace my M35/2.8 with any K 
35mm or even FA35/2.0 in future.
Alek

Uytkownik William Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
I have a friend with the M35/2.8 and I have the Super Takumar 35/3.5 which is 
supposed to be the same optically as the K35/3.5 (except no SMC) and the Super Tak is 
definitely a better lens, though the M35 is not bad. If you can find the K35 at a 
good price, I would pick it up. I'm still looking for one myself, I got the Super Tak 
because 
the K is so scarce, and I haven't regretted it at all.

William in Utah.

12/10/2002 4:06:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I do not need AF! I just want to have great 35mm lens. I own M35/2.8 and probably K 
35mm are better... Any opinion?
Alek

Uytkownik Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Only if you need auto focus. The 35 f3.5 is in a league of its own - try and
buy one in the K mount!

Bob Rapp
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


Is FA 35/2.0 better than highly recommended K35/2.0 and K35/3.5 lenses?Which
is the best?
Alek
Uytkownik Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FA35/2.0 which is probably very good.
 Alek


No _probably_ about it Alek. Just, FA35/2.o which is very good. vbg


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Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread Keith Whaley


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 It was K35/3.5 I think.
 I see what you mean it is difficult to say it is the best lens etc.
 But taking into consideration only sharpness, resolution and color 
 rendition one can show which is better. I know the price of FA 35/2.0 
( do not know average price of K35/2.0) but I just wanted to know
which 
 you recommend. Of course if old K35/3.5 will turn out just a little bit 
 worse than new FA 35/2.0 I would buy old one. I usually use this focal 
 length for landcapes and speed is not so important for me.
 Alek

Visit this site for data on that series of lenses:

http://www.concentric.net/~Smhalpin/BriefComments.html#35 mm f/3.5

Here's a few quotes folks have said about the k35mm f/3.5, 
as taken directly from the site I list above:


• John Vanderaalst - The K3.5/35 is probably one of the cheapest in
the K-series, and also one of the best. I have the K3.5/35 as well as
the M 2/35 and to tell you the truth, I like the K3.5 better...sharp,
contrasty, insensitive to back-light. The contrast of the K3.5 is that
good that focussing is, despite its limited aperture, quite easy.

• Yoshihiko Takinami - I have/had K35/2, K35/3.5, M35/2, M35/2.8 and
FA35/2AL. Go for K35/2 if you do need the extra speed. Go for K35/3.5
if you do need fine prints. I prefer K35/3.5 to K35/2 in point of
center resolution/sharpness and better correction of aberrations. 

• Yoshihiko Takinami (again) - very little light-fall-off even at wide
open, amazingly sharp, good color rendition, great color saturation,
scarce distortion, natural bokeh, great resolution

• Yoshihiko Takinami (again) - . . . one of the best Pentax lenses. .
. Its color rendition and 3-dimensionality are really great. FA35/2AL
is superior to K35/3.5 in point of correction, color saturation, and
uniformity of image all over the frame. They are the two best 35mm
(focal length) lenses Pentax ever made, IMO.

• David Collett - If you get a chance buy a 35/3.5, IMO it is the best
cheap 35mm second hand lens you can buy. It has good contrast and is
very sharp between f5.6 and f11. This may push the price up then
perhaps I can sell mine for an inflated price and buy a[new] FA35/2 :-)

• Timo Hartikainen - a really great lens! . . . I'm very pleased. The
image quality is really good, even at f3.5. .

• David Mann - . . .Its small, light and really sharp.

* * * * * keith whaley


 
 com napisa3:
 As Bob Rapp said, a Pentax-M 35mm f/3.5 is a superior lens, and better
 than most other 35 mm lenses from anyone.
 That is HIS opinion. It is also my opinion.
 
 How much superior is totally dependend on what the user does with it.
 There are several features or qualities about lenses and how they perform.
 What is important to YOU is only known by you.
 If you want mid-range sharpness, that lens has few equals.
 If you want good bokeh, you'll have to listen to those who know ~ I
 don't pretend to be a lens expert NOR a bokeh expert.
 
 Do try to understand one thing, and this does not only apply to
 lenses: there is no such thing as best over all others.
 There is only better than something else.
 What might turn out to actually BE best for YOU, may not be agreed
 upon by somebody else. They may have reasons to say it is NOT best,
 for them.
 It's that reason that no-one can absolutely say This [whatever] is
 the very best. It cannot be true for everyone, for all circumstances.
 So, having said that, I'd try to stay with the question Which lens is
 better for me, than any others I know about?
 
 Also, don't forget, price enters into it as well.
 There are probably special lenses that have incorporated certain
 design features in them, that are quite superior to most if not all
 other lenses of it's type. But the cost is very very high. For
 instance, if you only get more sharpness from that extra money, may
 not be worth the high price.
 
 No-ne can answer that question for you. Take all you learn and think
 on it. Only you can decide.
 
 Keith Whaley
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I do not need AF! I just want to have great 35mm lens. I own M35/2.8 and probably 
K 35mm are better... Any opinion?
  Alek
 
  U¿ytkownik Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa3:
  Only if you need auto focus. The 35 f3.5 is in a league of its own - try and
  buy one in the K mount!
  
  Bob Rapp
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:49 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?
  
  
  Is FA 35/2.0 better than highly recommended K35/2.0 and K35/3.5 lenses?Which
  is the best?
  Alek
 
  U¿ytkownik Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa3:
  On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   FA35/2.0 which is probably very good.
   Alek
  
  
  No _probably_ about it Alek. Just, FA35/2.o which is very good. vbg
  
  
  Dan Scott
 
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Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread Fred
 As Bob Rapp said, a Pentax-M 35mm f/3.5 is a superior lens, and
 better than most other 35 mm lenses from anyone. That is HIS
 opinion. It is also my opinion.

I would say that Bob's opinion has been stated by a number of us,
too.  I think K 35/3.5 owners are happy owners.

Fred





Re: Re: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread Ken Archer
Keep looking.  They are available.  I have been watching ebay for a 
couple of years for a K3.5/35.  I found one a month ago on ebay for $30 
in mint condition.  Only the plastic cap had a little silver lettering 
rubbed off on it. 

On Tuesday 10 December 2002 01:04 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So good luck in looking for K35/3.5 lens. I also plan to replace my
 M35/2.8 with any K 35mm or even FA35/2.0 in future. Alek
-- 
Ken Archer Canine Photography
San Antonio, Texas
Business Is Going To The Dogs




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-10 Thread Pentxuser

In a message dated 12/10/02 7:05:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 As Bob Rapp said, a Pentax-M 35mm f/3.5 is a superior lens, and better

than most other 35 mm lenses from anyone.

That is HIS opinion. It is also my opinion. 

I have 35/3.5 lens and agree that it is a very good lens. But one lens that 
seems to get overlooked here on a regular basis is the 30/2.8. If you are a 
believer in lens tests, this is the one to get. 
Vic 




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-08 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Just for the record my name is Boris :).

You might say I switched from Zenit ET to PS to Video and then
finally back to Pentax. So in one sentence my story was just written.
For more you can visit my web page at GeoCities.

My main reason for choosing Pentax was backward compatibility with
lenses. I chose __not__ to buy Nikon F-80 because it couldn't measure
light with non-autofocus old lenses. No disrespect to Nikon brand
here.

---
Boris Liberman
www.geocities.com/dunno57
www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-07 Thread Dan Scott

On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 12:23  AM, Lon Williamson wrote:


Simon King makes sense with his twelve points UNTIL:


My name is Simon, and it's been 3 weeks since my last Pentax 
purchase...

The 12 Steps
(1 thru 10, yes, we've all been through that, but goldangit:)

11. Seek through photography to improve your art, not your Pentax
collection.


Now clog whang it all, Simon, this one froze my buttons.  Heck, half
the reason I get on here is to hear the collective wisdom whisper in
my ear:  Buy the K 28 3.5 (all the other 28s are Pentax toads, Nikkon
beaters for sure, but PENTAX toads)  etc... etc.. etc..  And now 
someone
DARES say that maybe shooting what you got is the way to go.

Be careful, be very careful, Simon, or you'll end up like Johnston, 
owning
a Tak 50mm and some old Spottie, and saying he doesn't want any more.

lol.

Lon

Johnston is always saying that (until he sees a new'un g).

Dan Scott




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-06 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I switched to Pentax because the famous Alpa Reflexes don't work in  the
cold. And I happened to have an ME Super knocking around.

Don

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002





Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-06 Thread Dan Scott

On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 08:19  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


FA35/2.0 which is probably very good.
Alek



No _probably_ about it Alek. Just, FA35/2.o which is very good. vbg


Dan Scott




Re: RE: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread scars
Hi!
Well, I wanted a SLR, but hadn't the money to buy a new one. My father
had 2 old lenses (Pentax 135mm and 50mm) which he gave to me, and so I
ended up buying a used ME body...
that's it... but I'm very happy how it turned out ^_^
bye Katrin

 On Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:59 AM, Lon Williamson 
 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
  For me, Pentax was a no-brainer.  My wife shot a K-1000 as a reporter
  for half a decade, so when I got the bug, I studied a little bit,
  and the PDML more than anything put me in K-mount.  My first camera
  was a KM, and I was hooked.
 
  Those of you who have dabbled in the NCMO world, why are you here 
 now?
 
 
  Hi, my name is Farmina Manahesh Robertson, and I shoot Pentax
  because
  __
 
  -Lon
 




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Cotty
Hi John,

Welcome to the list.

Another Brit - we'll soon be challenging the yanks for top spot ;-)

Not a million miles away, either - I'm just the other side of Oxford from 
you.

Best,

Cotty


My name is John Whicker.  I live in Aylesbury, UK, not far from London.  I
have lurked here for quite a few weeks now and this is my first posting.

I have used Nikon 35mm equipment for more than 15 years, and Olympus OM for
more than ten years before that, but I had always wanted to own and use a
Spotmatic and Super-Takumars since my teens.  I bought one a year ago and
was hooked!

Now I have changed completely from Nikon to Pentax bayonet and use an LX and
a Super A plus a few fine SMC Pentax lenses.

I changed to Pentax because of the lenses.  Most Nikon lenses don't have
good out of focus effects.  Many Pentax lenses do.  Choose carefully and
they are among the best this side of Leica and Contax, for very little
money!



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Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Arnold Stark
Hi, my name is Arnold Stark, and I shoot Pentax because Pentax gives me 
excellent, beautiful lenses and good, small bodies at prices that I can 
afford. My first SLR was a Ricoh KR10-X with a Tokina zoom in 1988, but 
within 7 months I had picked up a Pentax-A 1:1.4 50mm, a Pentax-A 1:2.8 
28mm, and a Super A.

Arnold



Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Camdir
I switched to Pentax because 126 just didn't cut the mustard.

Peter




RE: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Rob Brigham
And they didn't do a 1000mm lens for it either, right?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 05 December 2002 10:42
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?
 
 
 I switched to Pentax because 126 just didn't cut the mustard.
 
 Peter
 
 




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Peter

Subject: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


 I switched to Pentax because 126 just didn't cut the mustard.

Wouldn't it have been easier to change mustards?

William Robb




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Camdir


 And they didn't do a 1000mm lens for it either, right? 

lmao




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Kristian-H. Schuessler

- Original Message -
From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:58 AM
Subject: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


 For me, Pentax was a no-brainer.  My wife shot a K-1000 as a reporter
 for half a decade, so when I got the bug, I studied a little bit,
 and the PDML more than anything put me in K-mount.  My first camera
 was a KM, and I was hooked.


Hi, my name is Kristian-Heinrich Schuessler, and I switched from EDIXA to
Pentax because I got better lenses and TTL-Lightmetering
maybe in the year 1960? Later I changed from M 42 to K-bajonett and now own
(no collection) all in use some K2- and K2 DMD-Bodies, one LX, one PZ-1 p,
one MZ-3 with databack, and a great list of different lenses, all original
from PENTAX.

Kristian-Heinrich
with best greetings from Black Forest/Germany




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread wendy beard
At 12:19 AM 05/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Bravo! Someone who can actually read the title of a thread, and one of the
few who responded that did switch to Pentax.
I did notice that no one has yet mentioned switching brands for Pentax AF
gear.

BR


Me, I did.
I switched from Minolta AF when the MZ-S came out.
I have since sold my Minolta 600si and lenses and bought another MZ-S body 
(thanks, Andre!)

Really and truly I didn't so much as switch to Pentax, but switch ~back~ as 
my manual stuff was a pair of MXes and an LX with various lenses.

Wendy

Wendy Beard,
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Fred
 Hi, my name is Farmina Manahesh Robertson, and I shoot Pentax
 because __

[Ooh, it's my turn?]

Er, hello.  My name is Fred.  And I've been shooting mostly Pentax
for quite a while now.  [I don't have to be here, since I can easily
give up photography anytime I want to.]  [Really.]

I did use some OM gear at one time, but eventually I replaced even
that last OM-1 (my last non-Pentax holdout, used to the end for
astrophotography) with my first LX (also a great camera body for
astrophotography).

I originally started on the fabled 12 Lenses plan, but I have long
since graduated to gee, I'm not sure exactly just how many lenses
are kicking around here

I may need help, though, brothers and sisters, since I've been
spending a little bit (OK - a ~lot~) of time lately with some old
VS1 and AT-X lenses.  K-mount, to be sure, but... [further
rationalization deleted]

;-)

Fred





Re: Build quality of lenses (was: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?)

2002-12-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

why this obsession with feel? 

Good question. Focus feel has never been visible in any photograph I've ever
taken.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Re: Build quality of lenses (was: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?)

2002-12-05 Thread Thomas Heide Clausen
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:04:58 -0500
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 why this obsession with feel? 
 
 Good question. Focus feel has never been visible in any photograph
 I've ever taken.

It's probably two things: something that feels good inspires more
confidentiality in the gears abilities to last and, secondly, it
makes it a more pleasureable experience using it.

Obsession...hmm...a strong word to use, I think




Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread akozak
Hi,
What was the price of A50/1.4?
Alek
Uytkownik Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Hi, my name is Arnold Stark, and I shoot Pentax because Pentax gives me 
excellent, beautiful lenses and good, small bodies at prices that I can 
afford. My first SLR was a Ricoh KR10-X with a Tokina zoom in 1988, but 
within 7 months I had picked up a Pentax-A 1:1.4 50mm, a Pentax-A 1:2.8 
28mm, and a Super A.

Arnold

--r-e-k-l-a-m-a-

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Re: Build quality of lenses (was: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?)

2002-12-05 Thread Lon Williamson
Good point.  My Sigma 70-300 APO (the older MF version)
has _terrible_ feel, flares badly, wobbles, and is butt-ugly.
But I find it a useful lens and am unlikely to ever
purchase another 70-to-Something zoom.  In fact, the major
reason I purchased the Pentax A 35-70 f4 last week was to
use both in a 2-lens kit for those times when primes are
just too much hassle.

-Lon

Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 why this obsession with feel?

 Good question. Focus feel has never been visible in any photograph I've ever
 taken.




Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread akozak
And Pentax gear is better than Minolta's? Some people believe that MZS is worse than 
Dynax/Maxxum 7, not mentioning 9
Alek
What about lenses?Minolta has now some great lenses
Alek


Uytkownik Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Sorry Wendy, I was thinking of serious camera brands, like EDIXA. 

BR

From: wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Me, I did.
I switched from Minolta AF when the MZ-S came out.
I have since sold my Minolta 600si and lenses and bought another MZ-S body 
(thanks, Andre!)

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Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Arnold Stark
In 1988 the A50/f1.4 cost me 330 DM new.

Arnold


Hi, What was the price of A50/1.4? Alek
 






Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread akozak
Hi,
I see. Thank you!
Alek
PS Which Limited lenses do you have? Is 43/1.9 much better than  A/FA 50/1.4 or 1.7?
Uytkownik Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
In 1988 the A50/f1.4 cost me 330 DM new.

Arnold

Hi, What was the price of A50/1.4? Alek
 


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Re: Build quality of lenses (was: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?)

2002-12-05 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good question indeed, and certainly a valid personal philosophy. I suppose
for me it's because the pictures I take are 60% of my enjoyment of my
photography hobby, while the experience of operating the camera and
appreciating it as a mechanism accounts for the other 40%.

for me, the discussions on focus feel are like discussing the paint job on
a race car.

Herb...




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Keith Whaley
Oh, Mrs. Reed ~ if you've never handled an MX before, believe me,
you'll LOVE it!
I've had many mechanical cameras in the past 50 years, but when I
handled my first MX, I was pretty certain I'd found the mechanical SLR
I'd been looking for! Something about it.

I agree, I have not yet handled an LX, like you have. I'm scared to!
There goes my camera $$ for some time to come! g

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi, my name is Eleanor.
 First 35mm camera was a Voigtlander rangefinder (old metal Made In Germany
 fixed-lens variety.)
 When I decided to move up to an SLR, I bought a K1000 because I could use my
 dad's screw-mount lenses with an adapter.
 Over time I've been through a variety of K-mount bodies -- I had one Sears-by-
 Ricoh body as backup to the K1000 and another Sears-by-Ricoh to replace the
 K1000 after it was stolen; then traded in the first Sears on an ME Super and
 all my 35mm SLRs since then have been Pentax: another ME Super, P30t, Super
 Program, PZ-1, Program Plus, ZX-5n, KX, LX. (And I expect an MX at my door
 sometime today.) Everything I've ever been looking for in a camera has been
 available in the Pentax system (except for a mechanical rangefinder) so I've
 never had reason to switch.

If they ever do come up with a rangefinder, expect this fella to be
first in line at the inaugeration, money in hand! 

 My father, in the meantime, has moved from a screw-mount body to a K1000 and
 now owns the M42-to-K adapter I bought back in '82 with my K1000. He may yet
 show up on the PUG.
 
 ERNReed
 http://members.aol.com/ernreed

keith whaley




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Lon Williamson
LOL.  The dorks here now are gonna insist that you buy
a Pentax 6x7, enter the Brotherhood, and wear purple robes
at ALL TIMES.  grin.

tom wrote:
 
 My name is Tom. 5 or 6 years ago you dorks made me buy a Program Plus.




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Andre Langevin
I switched from Minolta AF when the MZ-S came out.
I have since sold my Minolta 600si and lenses and bought another 
MZ-S body (thanks, Andre!)

Well, as a follow-on Wendy, I received yesterday night a MZ-5n (from 
Michael S. who probably left the list after going digital and selling 
his Pentax stuff) and wow!  I was looking for this MXish feeling...

Now, hunting for a 24-90mm.  I think I will have to sell some lenses 
and buy it new as you don't see any on eBay, probably because people 
keep them.

Andre
--



RE: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]


 LOL.  The dorks here now are gonna insist that you buy
 a Pentax 6x7, enter the Brotherhood, and wear purple robes
 at ALL TIMES.  grin.

I've already got 2 645n's, and a robe I borrowed from The Willard,
so I think I'm all set.

tv






Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
This is the Pentax mailing list and one is obliged to disparage all other
camera brands.

BR

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

And Pentax gear is better than Minolta's? Some people believe that MZS is
worse than Dynax/Maxxum 7, not mentioning 9
Alek
What about lenses?Minolta has now some great lenses
Alek




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread gfen
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Lon Williamson wrote:

 LOL.  The dorks here now are gonna insist that you buy a Pentax 6x7,
 enter the Brotherhood, and wear purple robes at ALL TIMES.  grin.

Tom's already a member of the Little Brotherhood...

Our negs may not be as big, but..uhm...well, err.. Our depth of field is
much larger?

Or something like that.. :)

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Re: Build quality of lenses (was: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?)

2002-12-05 Thread Fred
 for me, the discussions on focus feel are like discussing the
 paint job on a race car.

I don't buy that analogy.  Paint on a car is cosmetic.  Focus feel
in a lens is ~functional~.  I think, if you want to stick to a race
car analogy, focus feel is more like steering feel, or the feel of
the gear shift lever in action, etc.

Fred





Re: Build quality of lenses (was: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?)

2002-12-05 Thread Lon Williamson
I think this is true only when posting to PDML.
When I have something important (to me) happening in front of a lens,
I:  a) do NOT think what camera I have   b) Do NOT worry about the lens
c) Do NOT remember that I wasn't as kind to my second grade teacher as
I should have been. d) Do MOT worry that that stupid plastic zoom
som'bitch currently mounted may not be the appropriate lens.

Shooting is different from posting, and more fun to boot.
None-the-less, PDML is a hoot.  And I'm thinking of only shooting
with the M 28 f2.8 for a while because it's bad and because when
I'm shooting wide angle my shots all look like they were taken by
a 4-year-old.

-Lon


Fred wrote:
 
  for me, the discussions on focus feel are like discussing the
  paint job on a race car.
 
 I don't buy that analogy.  Paint on a car is cosmetic.  Focus feel
 in a lens is ~functional~.  I think, if you want to stick to a race
 car analogy, focus feel is more like steering feel, or the feel of
 the gear shift lever in action, etc.




RE: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: gfen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Lon Williamson wrote:
 
  LOL.  The dorks here now are gonna insist that you buy a 
 Pentax 6x7,
  enter the Brotherhood, and wear purple robes at ALL TIMES.  grin.
 
 Tom's already a member of the Little Brotherhood...
 
 Our negs may not be as big, but..uhm...well, err.. Our 
 depth of field is
 much larger?
 
 Or something like that.. :)

No, we get all the chicks cuz we're not wearing those stupid robes!

tv






Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Lon Williamson
William Robb looks DEVASTATING in his robes, and Cassleberry looks
like Cassleberry in a purple robe (grin - Cassleberry's one of my
favorite folks here - always upbeat and takes good shots.  No offense.)
I tried a Brotherhood robe on once and _liked_ it, but my God the very
thought of buying all that stuff all over again...

I'd go for the chicks except I love my wife and she stores a baseball
bat on HER side of the bed.

 
 No, we get all the chicks cuz we're not wearing those stupid robes!
 
 tv




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Arnold Stark
I have almost no experience with the M35/f2.8,  except that a lot of 
such lenses on the market do have a sticky aperture. The K35/f3.5 is 
indeed very very sharp, but f3.5 is a little bit slow sometimes. The 
only comment that I can give on the K35/f2 so far is, that it is an 
extremely beautiful lens.

Arnold

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:

I also have SMC K28/3.5, M35/2.8, SMC K105/2.8 AND SMC K135/2.5, not bad gear I think. I have read that SMC K35/3.5 or 2.0 is much better than M35/2.8 lens. have any opinion? Alek
 





Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Purple?
What has The Brotherhood come to? 
Will the KoolAid now match the robes? :-)

Collin



From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

LOL. The dorks here now are gonna insist that you buy 
a Pentax 6x7, enter the Brotherhood, and wear purple robes 
at ALL TIMES. grin.





Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Purple?
What has The Brotherhood come to? 
Will the KoolAid now match the robes? :-)

Collin



From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

LOL. The dorks here now are gonna insist that you buy 
a Pentax 6x7, enter the Brotherhood, and wear purple robes 
at ALL TIMES. grin.






Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Michael Cross
I switched from Nikon AF to Pentax AF and I did it for the same reason 
as John--most Nikon lenses don't have good out of focus effects.

I am new to photography and even newer to Pentax, but from what I have 
seen so far:  Pentax has nice, small bodies with useful features and 
nice, small prime lenses with good bokeh.  Plastic autofocus lenses 
don't bother me.  

The only thing I miss about Nikon is the Nikon automatic flash system 
which was perfect in nearly every situation.

Michael Cross

Bruce Rubenstein wrote:

Bravo! Someone who can actually read the title of a thread, and one of the
few who responded that did switch to Pentax.
I did notice that no one has yet mentioned switching brands for Pentax AF
gear.

BR

From: John Whicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My name is John Whicker.  I live in Aylesbury, UK, not far from London.  I
have lurked here for quite a few weeks now and this is my first posting.

I have used Nikon 35mm equipment for more than 15 years, and Olympus OM for
more than ten years before that, but I had always wanted to own and use a
Spotmatic and Super-Takumars since my teens.  I bought one a year ago and
was hooked!

Now I have changed completely from Nikon to Pentax bayonet and use an LX and
a Super A plus a few fine SMC Pentax lenses.

I changed to Pentax because of the lenses.  Most Nikon lenses don't have
good out of focus effects.  Many Pentax lenses do.  Choose carefully and
they are among the best this side of Leica and Contax, for very little
money!


 






Re: Build quality of lenses (was: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?)

2002-12-05 Thread Lon Williamson
I have the one with the silver ring, older, supposedly
better.  I'm gonna do it ANYHOWS.  grin.

Mark Roberts wrote:
 There are two different versions of the M28/2.8 (with different
 optical designs) and the consensus is that one of them is good.
 
 Sorry if that spoils your plan...
 ;-)




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Keith Whaley
I'm in the process of selling an Olympus 35-S rangefinder, and I'm
almost regretting it!
I have a soft spot in my heart for quiet rangefinders, I do.
I'd love a Leica if I didn't already dislike the design...I might have
purchased one.
If Pentax ever came up with a rangefinder, I'd buy one in a heartbeat!
Perhaps an early Contax, like a IIc or something? Rangefinder, leaf
shutter, excellent lenses, decent reliable meter...

It also occurred to me, the LX must be almost exactly the same size
and 'feeling' as the MX, in which case you _already_ know what I mean...

keith

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Keith Whaley posted:
 
  Oh, Mrs. Reed ~ if you've never handled an MX before, believe me,
  you'll LOVE it!
 
 It's here. We're getting acquainted.
 
  I've had many mechanical cameras in the past 50 years, but when I
  handled my first MX, I was pretty certain I'd found the mechanical SLR
  I'd been looking for! Something about it.
 
  I agree, I have not yet handled an LX, like you have. I'm scared to!
  There goes my camera $$ for some time to come! g
 
 I really, really like my LX.
 
   Everything I've ever been looking for in a camera has been
   available in the Pentax system (except for a mechanical rangefinder) so I've
   never had reason to switch.
 
  If they ever do come up with a rangefinder, expect this fella to be
  first in line at the inaugeration, money in hand!
 
 My (former) photography professor spotted me one day with my Canonet and
 said, Can't believe you have something that doesn't have Pentax written on it!
 It seems I have a reputation.
 
 ERNR




Re: Build quality of lenses (was: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?)

2002-12-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 Dec 2002 at 11:14, Herb Chong wrote:

 for me, the discussions on focus feel are like discussing the paint job on
 a race car.

I disagree, using the race care analogy I'd liken it more to the feel of the 
feedback through the steering wheel and pedals :-)

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




Re: Build quality of lenses (was: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?)

2002-12-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 Dec 2002 at 10:04, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 why this obsession with feel? 
 
 Good question. Focus feel has never been visible in any photograph I've ever
 taken.

I think you'd be wrong if you looked at it from a technical perspective. I 
would guess that loose focus translates to slop in the mechanical integrity and 
hence the potential for de-centering of the optical elements and ultimately a 
reduction in image quality.

Cheers,

RobRob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




RE: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Simon King
My name is Simon, and it's been 3 weeks since my last Pentax purchase...

The 12 Steps
1. Admit that you are powerless over your compulsive behaviour with Pentax -
that your lives had become unmanageable.  
2. Come to believe that a Power greater than ourselves (SO or Bank Manager)
could restore you to sanity.  
3. Make a decision to turn your will and our lives over to the care of
SO/Bank Manager
4. Make a searching and fearless moral inventory of Pentax collection
5. Admit to your SO/Bank Manager, to ourselves and to the PDML the exact
nature of our wrongs. (eg Why do you need 3 x 135 2.8's?)
6. Become entirely ready to have SO/Bank Manager remove all these excesses.
7. Humbly ask SO/Bank Manager to remove your shortcomings. 
8. Make a list of all persons you have harmed on Ebay and become willing to
make amends to them all. 
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so
would injure them or others. 
10. Continued to take a Pentax inventory.
11. Seek through photography to improve your art, not your Pentax
collection.
12. Having had an awakening as the result of these steps, carry this message
to others and to practice these principles in all our affairs. 



-Original Message-
From: Ken Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2002 3:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


My name is Ken and I am a Pentaxaholic. 

I started at the top with Pentax 40 years ago and I liked it there.  I 
have owned a Pentax ever since.

-- 
Ken Archer Canine Photography
San Antonio, Texas
Business Is Going To The Dogs




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread Dan Scott

On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 08:16  PM, Simon King wrote:


My name is Simon, and it's been 3 weeks since my last Pentax 
purchase...

The 12 Steps
1. Admit that you are powerless over your compulsive behaviour with 
Pentax -
that your lives had become unmanageable.
2. Come to believe that a Power greater than ourselves (SO or Bank 
Manager)
could restore you to sanity.
3. Make a decision to turn your will and our lives over to the care of
SO/Bank Manager
4. Make a searching and fearless moral inventory of Pentax collection
5. Admit to your SO/Bank Manager, to ourselves and to the PDML the 
exact
nature of our wrongs. (eg Why do you need 3 x 135 2.8's?)
6. Become entirely ready to have SO/Bank Manager remove all these 
excesses.
7. Humbly ask SO/Bank Manager to remove your shortcomings.
8. Make a list of all persons you have harmed on Ebay and become 
willing to
make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to 
do so
would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take a Pentax inventory.
11. Seek through photography to improve your art, not your Pentax
collection.
12. Having had an awakening as the result of these steps, carry this 
message
to others and to practice these principles in all our affairs.


One day at a time.

Dan Scott




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-05 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: tom
Subject: RE: Who has switched to Pentax and why?



 No, we get all the chicks cuz we're not wearing those stupid
robes!

Chicks, schmicks.
Give me a pretty sheep anyday.
WW




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Thomas Heide Clausen
On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:58:45 -0500
Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For me, Pentax was a no-brainer.  My wife shot a K-1000 as a
 reporter for half a decade, so when I got the bug, I studied a
 little bit, and the PDML more than anything put me in K-mount.  My
 first camera was a KM, and I was hooked.
 
 Those of you who have dabbled in the NCMO world, why are you here
 now?
 
 Hi, my name is Farmina Manahesh Robertson, and I shoot Pentax
 because__
 
 -Lon
 

Hi, my name is Thomas, and I shoot Pentax because Olympus gave up on
film-SLRs a long time ago

...did that make any sense to you? :)




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread William Robb
Hi, my name is Bill. I switched from Nikon to Pentax for the
lenses.

William Robb




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread James Fellows
Same story here.  My wife had a k-1000 and a couple lenses.  It was just
natural to build from there.  Her biggest complaint now is I have taken over
her hobby:)

Jim Fellows
- Original Message -
From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:58 PM
Subject: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


 For me, Pentax was a no-brainer.  My wife shot a K-1000 as a reporter
 for half a decade, so when I got the bug, I studied a little bit,
 and the PDML more than anything put me in K-mount.  My first camera
 was a KM, and I was hooked.

 Those of you who have dabbled in the NCMO world, why are you here now?

 Hi, my name is Farmina Manahesh Robertson, and I shoot Pentax because
 __

 -Lon







Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Lon Williamson
I could have typed your message for ya, Robb!
BTW, thanks for being here.

Lon

William Robb wrote:
 
 Hi, my name is Bill. I switched from Nikon to Pentax for the
 lenses.
 
 William Robb




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Bob Rapp
Hi, my name is Bob. I started with Pentax in 1967. In 1972 all my equipment
was stolen. At that point, I could have switched to Nikon. I didn't because
they had UGLY cameras and horible lenses (in comparison).

Bob Rapp




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread John Whicker
My name is John Whicker.  I live in Aylesbury, UK, not far from London.  I
have lurked here for quite a few weeks now and this is my first posting.

I have used Nikon 35mm equipment for more than 15 years, and Olympus OM for
more than ten years before that, but I had always wanted to own and use a
Spotmatic and Super-Takumars since my teens.  I bought one a year ago and
was hooked!

Now I have changed completely from Nikon to Pentax bayonet and use an LX and
a Super A plus a few fine SMC Pentax lenses.

I changed to Pentax because of the lenses.  Most Nikon lenses don't have
good out of focus effects.  Many Pentax lenses do.  Choose carefully and
they are among the best this side of Leica and Contax, for very little
money!

John


- Original Message -
From: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:58 PM
Subject: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


 For me, Pentax was a no-brainer.  My wife shot a K-1000 as a reporter
 for half a decade, so when I got the bug, I studied a little bit,
 and the PDML more than anything put me in K-mount.  My first camera
 was a KM, and I was hooked.

 Those of you who have dabbled in the NCMO world, why are you here now?

 Hi, my name is Farmina Manahesh Robertson, and I shoot Pentax because
 __

 -Lon





Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Jeff
Funny you should mention it.
My first camera was a Miranda G.
In 1974, on my Honeymoon in NY City, I traded the Miranda G for an OM-1 with
the Zuiko 50/1.4.
To compare the Miranda with the Olympus is like comparing Rod Stewart with
Pavarotti.
The 50/1.4 Zuiko gave me the best KR64 shots ever. It was one sweet lens.

A couple of years later I got the hots for the MX, which was as small or
smaller than the OM-1.
Instead of buying the MX, I ended up getting the Ricoh XR-1. I figured if I
build up a collection of K mount lenses, eventually I'll get a Pentax
camera.

Not before I traded the XR-1 for an XR-1s and then upgraded to an XR-X, that
I eventually got my first Pentax camera.
It was a Program Plus mated to a 40/2.8 Pancake lens. Coudn't pass up the
deal, at $90 CDN.

The rest is history..

Jeff.

- Original Message -
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?



 - Original Message -
 From: Lon Williamson
 Subject: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


  Yup.  Oly is my second choice.

 Cool!! My first bought with my own money camera was an OM-1,
 with a 50mm f/1.4 lens. Never could get used to the shutter
 speed dial.
 Switched to Nikon a couple of years later.
 My dad bought the Olympus
 A huge time later, like 15 years, I borrowed the OM-1 and the
 50mm lens for a day and went shooting.
 Took some of my best pictures ever that day.
 I had forgotten how incredible the Zuiko 50mm lens was.

 William Robb





Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Brad Dobo
Hi, my name is Brad Dobo, and I shoot Pentax because I wanted to join this
group and be abused. :-)




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Mike Johnston
Hi,
My name is Mike, and I switched to Pentax because JCO sent me an old user he
used to carry around his truck so I could try the old screwmount lenses. I
did a flurry of great work with that camera and really enjoyed it.

I think I'm about to buy a Konica Hexar RF, as I saw one in Chicago over the
Thanksgiving break and was smitten with it. I used to shoot Leicas (M6 and
M4), CLE, and the original Hexar, and the Hexar RF seems to combine a lot of
the best features of each. Also, my first camera was a Konica T3, purchased
as a gift from my father when I was 16, so I have a soft spot (in my heart,
not in my head g) for Konica.

Still love the old screwmount stuff, though. Pride of place is now held by
a nearly collectible chrome ESII that I will not be parting with.

--Mike




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Paul Jones
Hi My name is Paul.

I used to shoot a spotmatic and 50/1.4 Tak at school, then years later i was
heading off on a trip and bought a new Pentax SLR to take on the holiday,
then joined this list a while later.

Now i should mostly Pentax 645 and Leica M.  Not really much pentax 35mm
anymore.

Regards,
Paul


- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


 Hi,
 My name is Mike, and I switched to Pentax because JCO sent me an old user
he
 used to carry around his truck so I could try the old screwmount lenses. I
 did a flurry of great work with that camera and really enjoyed it.

 I think I'm about to buy a Konica Hexar RF, as I saw one in Chicago over
the
 Thanksgiving break and was smitten with it. I used to shoot Leicas (M6 and
 M4), CLE, and the original Hexar, and the Hexar RF seems to combine a lot
of
 the best features of each. Also, my first camera was a Konica T3,
purchased
 as a gift from my father when I was 16, so I have a soft spot (in my
heart,
 not in my head g) for Konica.

 Still love the old screwmount stuff, though. Pride of place is now held by
 a nearly collectible chrome ESII that I will not be parting with.

 --Mike





Hold on - Mike- Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Bob Rapp
Hi, my name is Bob and you should know that the Konica RF is not compatible
with Leica lenses. The flange to focal plane distance is different.

Bob

- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston

 I think I'm about to buy a Konica Hexar RF, as I saw one in Chicago over
the
 Thanksgiving break and was smitten with it. I used to shoot Leicas (M6 and
 M4), CLE, and the original Hexar, and the Hexar RF seems to combine a lot
of
 the best features of each. Also, my first camera was a Konica T3,
purchased
 as a gift from my father when I was 16, so I have a soft spot (in my
heart,
 not in my head g) for Konica.






Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread David S.
I used my fathers Konica equipment before I bought my own camera, it had
manual metering and shutter priority modes.  I do not like shutter
priority, didn't like what Canon had  Nikon was too expensive so I
bought a Pentax camera.

-- 
David S.
Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com




Re: Hold on - Mike- Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Why not a Bessa R-2?

Bob Rapp wrote:

Hi, my name is Bob and you should know that the Konica RF is not compatible
with Leica lenses. The flange to focal plane distance is different.

Bob

- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston



I think I'm about to buy a Konica Hexar RF, as I saw one in Chicago over


the


Thanksgiving break and was smitten with it. I used to shoot Leicas (M6 and
M4), CLE, and the original Hexar, and the Hexar RF seems to combine a lot


of


the best features of each. Also, my first camera was a Konica T3,


purchased


as a gift from my father when I was 16, so I have a soft spot (in my


heart,


not in my head g) for Konica.












Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Shaun Canning
Hi my name is Shaun, and I am an Pentax-addict.

I blame my parents. They bought me my first fix when I was only a kid. A 
 K1000 that served me well for many years. After that it was a 
down-hill struggle with dependence until I reached the pit of despair 
that I am in  now.

After the K1000, there was an MV, then an Me, a couple of Me-Super's. I 
managed to kick the habit for a while, but it eventually won. I then 
moved onto the designer gear, which if anything is more addictive. I 
bought a z-10 in 1991 to travel with. Then came a Z-1 in 1992.

Then another small hiatus while my career got in the way. But that's all 
behind us now...in the last 12 months I have become a full-blown addict 
again. First came an LX, then a Z-1p, 7 or 8 lenses, 2 flashes, bits, 
pieces,.

I am afraid I am lost to the dark side forever Young Skywalker.

Cheers

Shaun

Paul Jones wrote:
Hi My name is Paul.

I used to shoot a spotmatic and 50/1.4 Tak at school, then years later i was
heading off on a trip and bought a new Pentax SLR to take on the holiday,
then joined this list a while later.

Now i should mostly Pentax 645 and Leica M.  Not really much pentax 35mm
anymore.

Regards,
Paul


- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?




Hi,
My name is Mike, and I switched to Pentax because JCO sent me an old user


he


used to carry around his truck so I could try the old screwmount lenses. I
did a flurry of great work with that camera and really enjoyed it.

I think I'm about to buy a Konica Hexar RF, as I saw one in Chicago over


the


Thanksgiving break and was smitten with it. I used to shoot Leicas (M6 and
M4), CLE, and the original Hexar, and the Hexar RF seems to combine a lot


of


the best features of each. Also, my first camera was a Konica T3,


purchased


as a gift from my father when I was 16, so I have a soft spot (in my


heart,


not in my head g) for Konica.

Still love the old screwmount stuff, though. Pride of place is now held by
a nearly collectible chrome ESII that I will not be parting with.

--Mike




.




--

Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services 		
High Street, Broadford,
Victoria, 3658.

www.heritageservices.com.au/

Phone: 0414-967644
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


My images can be seen at www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=238096







Re: Hold on - Mike- Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Paul Jones
Hi Bob,

 Hi, my name is Bob and you should know that the Konica RF is not
compatible
 with Leica lenses. The flange to focal plane distance is different.

Thats debateable, my Hexar RF seemed okay when the RF was aligned correctly.
Only problem was with any slight bump (or for no reason) and the RF went out
of alignment.

http://www.dantestella.com/technical/flange.html

Regards,
Paul


 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Johnston

  I think I'm about to buy a Konica Hexar RF, as I saw one in Chicago over
 the
  Thanksgiving break and was smitten with it. I used to shoot Leicas (M6
and
  M4), CLE, and the original Hexar, and the Hexar RF seems to combine a
lot
 of
  the best features of each. Also, my first camera was a Konica T3,
 purchased
  as a gift from my father when I was 16, so I have a soft spot (in my
 heart,
  not in my head g) for Konica.
 






Re: Hold on - Mike- Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Paul Jones

 Why not a Bessa R-2?

May aswell shoot an M6 then.


 Bob Rapp wrote:
  Hi, my name is Bob and you should know that the Konica RF is not
compatible
  with Leica lenses. The flange to focal plane distance is different.
 
  Bob
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Mike Johnston
 
 
 I think I'm about to buy a Konica Hexar RF, as I saw one in Chicago over
 
  the
 
 Thanksgiving break and was smitten with it. I used to shoot Leicas (M6
and
 M4), CLE, and the original Hexar, and the Hexar RF seems to combine a
lot
 
  of
 
 the best features of each. Also, my first camera was a Konica T3,
 
  purchased
 
 as a gift from my father when I was 16, so I have a soft spot (in my
 
  heart,
 
 not in my head g) for Konica.
 
 
 
 







Re: Hold on - Mike- Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
'cept it's $480.

R


Paul Jones wrote:

Why not a Bessa R-2?



May aswell shoot an M6 then.




Bob Rapp wrote:


Hi, my name is Bob and you should know that the Konica RF is not


compatible


with Leica lenses. The flange to focal plane distance is different.

Bob

- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston




I think I'm about to buy a Konica Hexar RF, as I saw one in Chicago over


the



Thanksgiving break and was smitten with it. I used to shoot Leicas (M6


and


M4), CLE, and the original Hexar, and the Hexar RF seems to combine a


lot


of



the best features of each. Also, my first camera was a Konica T3,


purchased



as a gift from my father when I was 16, so I have a soft spot (in my


heart,



not in my head g) for Konica.

















Re: Hold on - Mike- Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Or, if you like Konica, get an Auto S3.Wonderful camera, wonderful 
lens- awesome size.

R


Paul Jones wrote:
Why not a Bessa R-2?



May aswell shoot an M6 then.




Bob Rapp wrote:


Hi, my name is Bob and you should know that the Konica RF is not


compatible


with Leica lenses. The flange to focal plane distance is different.

Bob

- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston




I think I'm about to buy a Konica Hexar RF, as I saw one in Chicago over


the



Thanksgiving break and was smitten with it. I used to shoot Leicas (M6


and


M4), CLE, and the original Hexar, and the Hexar RF seems to combine a


lot


of



the best features of each. Also, my first camera was a Konica T3,


purchased



as a gift from my father when I was 16, so I have a soft spot (in my


heart,



not in my head g) for Konica.

















Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Mike Johnston
 I changed to Pentax because of the lenses.  Most Nikon lenses don't have
 good out of focus effects.  Many Pentax lenses do.  Choose carefully and
 they are among the best this side of Leica and Contax, for very little
 money!


John,
Welcome to the verbal side of the PDML. Good post, and I couldn't agree more
with the above!

--Mike




Photography is simple. The only complicated thing is keeping it simple.
(Ken Archer)

* * *
Find out about Mike Johnston's unique photography newsletter, The 37th
Frame, at http://www.37thframe.com.




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Pentxuser
I used my father's Konica auto S2 throughout University while I worked at the 
newspaper. When I graduated I bought a Ricoh KR10 with power winder. I later 
added a Ricoh KR5 Super. When I got a little settled in I sold the KR5 and 
bought an MX with winder. I eventually sold the KR10 and bought an LX package 
of goodies, (Camera, winder, FBI with action eyepiece, magni-viewer ... I now 
us LXs and PZ1s with a whole host of lenses...
PS-I just pulled out the old Konica auto S2 with Hexanon 45. f1.8 any 
comments on this... 
Vic 

http://hometown.aol.ca/Pentxuser/myhomepage/artgallery.html




RE: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Bravo! Someone who can actually read the title of a thread, and one of the
few who responded that did switch to Pentax.
I did notice that no one has yet mentioned switching brands for Pentax AF
gear.

BR

From: John Whicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My name is John Whicker.  I live in Aylesbury, UK, not far from London.  I
have lurked here for quite a few weeks now and this is my first posting.

I have used Nikon 35mm equipment for more than 15 years, and Olympus OM for
more than ten years before that, but I had always wanted to own and use a
Spotmatic and Super-Takumars since my teens.  I bought one a year ago and
was hooked!

Now I have changed completely from Nikon to Pentax bayonet and use an LX and
a Super A plus a few fine SMC Pentax lenses.

I changed to Pentax because of the lenses.  Most Nikon lenses don't have
good out of focus effects.  Many Pentax lenses do.  Choose carefully and
they are among the best this side of Leica and Contax, for very little
money!




Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Pat White
My name is Pat, and in 1979, I was shooting with a horrible Praktica.  I
bought it new and the shutter started showing wear and leaking light within
a year.  I gave it away, then considered the OM-1 and the MX, and went with
the MX (preferred the shutter dial location).

I used the MX happily for 17 years, then went AF and AE with the MZ-5, but
traded it for the MZ-5n in three months.  They seem so much like the MX,
they're really friendly and familiar, unlike the PZ series, which never
tempted me.

Last year I got an MZ-S and 6x7, and really enjoy both of them.  I never
thought I'd buy a camera as expensive as the MZ-S, but I sure don't regret
it.  The MZ-S and 6x7 both say quality and reliability to me, and they seem
friendly.  I like that.

Pat White





Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-04 Thread Brad Dobo
Before I used (switched?) to Pentax, I was not serious but still took
photographs the odd time (and that does count IMHO).  Used a Minolta PnS, a
Petri SLR, disposables, etc.

Brad
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:48 PM
Subject: RE: Who has switched to Pentax and why?


 Bravo! Someone who can actually read the title of a thread, and one of the
 few who responded that did switch to Pentax.
 I did notice that no one has yet mentioned switching brands for Pentax AF
 gear.

 BR

 From: John Whicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 My name is John Whicker.  I live in Aylesbury, UK, not far from London.  I
 have lurked here for quite a few weeks now and this is my first posting.

 I have used Nikon 35mm equipment for more than 15 years, and Olympus OM
for
 more than ten years before that, but I had always wanted to own and use a
 Spotmatic and Super-Takumars since my teens.  I bought one a year ago and
 was hooked!

 Now I have changed completely from Nikon to Pentax bayonet and use an LX
and
 a Super A plus a few fine SMC Pentax lenses.

 I changed to Pentax because of the lenses.  Most Nikon lenses don't have
 good out of focus effects.  Many Pentax lenses do.  Choose carefully and
 they are among the best this side of Leica and Contax, for very little
 money!