Re: BREXIT !

[Bob Sullivan]

You just made The Donald into the head orange Ompa Lumpa from 'Charlie
and the Chocolate Factory.'
You guys gotta take him back!  That was a British factory!

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> Happy to oblige.
>
> Someone else said that Hillary is at least effective, for all her flaws, so 
> it makes sense to vote for El Donaldo. I go further than that, in that Trump 
> would be so dangerous to the whole world as president that I'm pretty sure 
> your saner generals will tell him immediately after his inauguration that 
> Mexico has pre-emptively launched taconuclear shells at Washington, lock him 
> in a bunker with a big, red button to press labelled Make America Great 
> Again!, and play him videos on endless loops of the nuclear destruction of 
> Mexico City and elsewhere, and reverse loops of the Berlin Wall coming down 
> to show the Great Mexican Wall being built.
>
> To keep the rednecks who voted for him happy he has to appear on TV from time 
> to time, but for that you just need an orange, some yellow candy-floss and a 
> talented puppeteer. They won't know the difference as long as the orange 
> tells them what great deals he's making.
>
> B
>
>> On 8 Jul 2016, at 23:09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe Bob will have some words for us on Donald and Hillary.
>> I know it will take a man of his intellect to find some flaws in these two.
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>> On 8/7/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 There's nothing quite like dealing in condescending national stereotypes
 is there? Och aye, and all the wee womenfolk sit in their crofts a-
 nicht, knitting tartan bonnets for their little scotty dogs.
>>>
>>> Thank God Bob's back
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Re: BREXIT !

[P.J. Alling]

On 7/8/2016 4:02 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 8 Jul 2016, at 20:49, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 8/7/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


There's nothing quite like dealing in condescending national stereotypes
is there? Och aye, and all the wee womenfolk sit in their crofts a-
nicht, knitting tartan bonnets for their little scotty dogs.

Thank God Bob's back


I'm going to punish you all later with some 'ow you say? stereotypical images 
of ze France.


So you're going to post filthy French cards?

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Re: BREXIT !

[Bob W-PDML]

Happy to oblige.

Someone else said that Hillary is at least effective, for all her flaws, so it 
makes sense to vote for El Donaldo. I go further than that, in that Trump would 
be so dangerous to the whole world as president that I'm pretty sure your saner 
generals will tell him immediately after his inauguration that Mexico has 
pre-emptively launched taconuclear shells at Washington, lock him in a bunker 
with a big, red button to press labelled Make America Great Again!, and play 
him videos on endless loops of the nuclear destruction of Mexico City and 
elsewhere, and reverse loops of the Berlin Wall coming down to show the Great 
Mexican Wall being built.

To keep the rednecks who voted for him happy he has to appear on TV from time 
to time, but for that you just need an orange, some yellow candy-floss and a 
talented puppeteer. They won't know the difference as long as the orange tells 
them what great deals he's making.

B

> On 8 Jul 2016, at 23:09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> Maybe Bob will have some words for us on Donald and Hillary.
> I know it will take a man of his intellect to find some flaws in these two.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> On 8/7/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> There's nothing quite like dealing in condescending national stereotypes
>>> is there? Och aye, and all the wee womenfolk sit in their crofts a-
>>> nicht, knitting tartan bonnets for their little scotty dogs.
>> 
>> Thank God Bob's back
>> 
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>> 
>> Cheers,
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Re: BREXIT !

[Bob Sullivan]

Maybe Bob will have some words for us on Donald and Hillary.
I know it will take a man of his intellect to find some flaws in these two.


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 8/7/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>There's nothing quite like dealing in condescending national stereotypes
>>is there? Och aye, and all the wee womenfolk sit in their crofts a-
>>nicht, knitting tartan bonnets for their little scotty dogs.
>
> Thank God Bob's back
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

Spaaa

Den 8. juli 2016 22.34.14 CEST, skrev "Daniel J. Matyola" 
:
>On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Bob W-PDML 
>wrote:
>
>> This is utter drivel, straight out of the 18th century.
>
>
>See, I told you there are more Berzerkers than Vandals on this list! 
>
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> This is utter drivel, straight out of the 18th century.


See, I told you there are more Berzerkers than Vandals on this list!  

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Re: BREXIT !

[Bob W-PDML]

On 8 Jul 2016, at 20:49, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 8/7/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> There's nothing quite like dealing in condescending national stereotypes
>> is there? Och aye, and all the wee womenfolk sit in their crofts a-
>> nicht, knitting tartan bonnets for their little scotty dogs.
> 
> Thank God Bob's back
> 

I'm going to punish you all later with some 'ow you say? stereotypical images 
of ze France.



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Re: BREXIT !

[Steve Cottrell]

On 8/7/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>There's nothing quite like dealing in condescending national stereotypes
>is there? Och aye, and all the wee womenfolk sit in their crofts a-
>nicht, knitting tartan bonnets for their little scotty dogs.

Thank God Bob's back

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Re: BREXIT !

[Bob W-PDML]

There's nothing quite like dealing in condescending national stereotypes is 
there? Och aye, and all the wee womenfolk sit in their crofts a-nicht, knitting 
tartan bonnets for their little scotty dogs.

> On 24 Jun 2016, at 18:04, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
> Hello Steve, I have lived in Scotland while working for General Motors
> in Motherwell near Ardrie & Peterhead up North near the oilfields.
> 
> The Scotts are "high thinking & simple living" type folks. Very
> un-materialistic and most of them are minimalists.
> Their stark lives are in contrast to that of the rest of the UK.
> 
> So I believe they think & respond with their brains rather than their
> hearts. Their vote to remain with the EU is more to do with the
> greater humanistic European thinking & democratic ideals, their art & culture.
> 
> Then also they get greater support & sympathy from Europe rather than 
> Britannia.
> 
> For centuries the Scotts have only received humiliation & treachery
> from the British. One ridiculous law was that a newly married
> Scott couple had to send the bride for the first night to the British
> Governor. What a shame.
> 
> Their dislike for the British is at once visible. How many of you know
> that the Scottish Pound is a different currency from the British Pound
> before the Euro??
> 
> Regards.
> Bipin.
> 

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Bob W-PDML]

This is utter drivel, straight out of the 18th century.

B

> On 27 Jun 2016, at 20:33, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
> animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).
> 
> They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
> and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.
> 
> Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the Indus
> Valley Civilization & India.
> 
> Regards.
> Bipin
> from the IT Capital of the world - Bangalore.
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Bob W-PDML]

On 29 Jun 2016, at 22:21, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A Viking is a Vandal on a shopping spree.
> 
> 
> That is not only funny, but pretty damn accurate.
> 
> This forum has more Berzerkers than Vandals.
> 

The Vandals invented Andalucia. All of those people, and the people whom the 
Romans conquered, were far more cultured and civilised (in a non-technical 
sense) than the very outmoded and archeologically incorrect picture that Bipin 
claimed.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Jostein Øksne  wrote:

> Absolutely. They learned to trade with time. They became less savage as
> they succumbed to Christianity too.


True, but remember that the Christians of Francia, Saxony and England were
every bit as savage as the Vikings. In part, the sacking of Christian
monasteries was in retaliation for the sacking and burning of pagan Danish
settlements by Charles the Great and his successors.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

Absolutely. They learned to trade with time. They became less savage as they 
succumbed to Christianity too.
Jostein 

Den 29. juni 2016 21.54.25 CEST, skrev Larry Colen :
>
>
>Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J.
>Alling
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.
>>
>>
>> I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
>> dictionaries.
>
>The difference between a Viking and a Vandal?
>
>A Viking is a Vandal on a shopping spree.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

The more interesting definition is what constituted a city in the relevant 
period of history. 
Important nexi of trade would easily achieve city status without thousands of 
citizens.
Jostein 

Den 29. juni 2016 22.39.41 CEST, skrev "P.J. Alling" 
:
>Those places started as villages, then grew into cities.  I don't know 
>what your definition of a city is but it needs at least a couple 
>thousand people.
>
>On 6/29/2016 1:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J. Alling
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.
>>
>> I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
>> dictionaries.
>>
>> In any event, they did build and occupy cities.  Ireland had no
>cities
>> before the Vikings, who established Dublin. Cork, Waterford, Wexford
>and
>> Limmerick.  York was a Viking city for quite some time, as was Rouen.
>> Sliasthorp was there most important city in what is now Germany, and
>of
>> course there was the norse capital of Trondheim
>>
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

>
> A Viking is a Vandal on a shopping spree.


That is not only funny, but pretty damn accurate.

This forum has more Berzerkers than Vandals.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:39 PM, P.J. Alling 
wrote:

> Those places started as villages, then grew into cities.  I don't know
> what your definition of a city is but it needs at least a couple thousand
> people.


The places I mentioned are all cities, and all were founded by Vikings.
Many were substantial places, even in Viking times:

A Brief History of Dublin, Ireland

The first documented history of Dublin begins with the Viking raids in the
8th and 9th century. These led to the establishment of a settlement on the
southside of the mouth of the Liffey, named Dubh Linn (Black Pool) after
the lake where the Danes first moored their boats.

Despite stone fortifications, Dublin town was sacked many times over the
next two centuries but always recovered. By the 11th Century, Dublin
prospered, mainly due to close trading links with the English towns of
Chester and Bristol and soon became the most important town in Ireland with
a population of about 4,000.
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[P.J. Alling]

Those places started as villages, then grew into cities.  I don't know 
what your definition of a city is but it needs at least a couple 
thousand people.


On 6/29/2016 1:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J. Alling 
wrote:


Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.


I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
dictionaries.

In any event, they did build and occupy cities.  Ireland had no cities
before the Vikings, who established Dublin. Cork, Waterford, Wexford and
Limmerick.  York was a Viking city for quite some time, as was Rouen.
Sliasthorp was there most important city in what is now Germany, and of
course there was the norse capital of Trondheim

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J. Alling
wrote:


Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.



I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
dictionaries.


The difference between a Viking and a Vandal?

A Viking is a Vandal on a shopping spree.



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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

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On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:57 AM, Jostein Øksne  wrote:

> They may have learned from the Romans. :-)


More likely from the Eastern Roman Empire.  They visited Constantinople
frequently, and besieged it numerous times.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

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On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:04 AM, P.J. Alling 
wrote:

> Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.


I do not accept that definition, and do not find it in any of my
dictionaries.

In any event, they did build and occupy cities.  Ireland had no cities
before the Vikings, who established Dublin. Cork, Waterford, Wexford and
Limmerick.  York was a Viking city for quite some time, as was Rouen.
Sliasthorp was there most important city in what is now Germany, and of
course there was the norse capital of Trondheim

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

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They may have learned from the Romans. :-) 
Jostein 

Den 29. juni 2016 03.43.27 CEST, skrev "Daniel J. Matyola" 
:
>On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Jostein Øksne 
>wrote:
>
>> All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the
>tribe's
>> last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it retracted,
>while
>> the rest of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation.
>
>
>Your Viking forebears were hardly uncivilized.  The became masters of
>shipbuilding and ocean navigation
>
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

They built cities. Quite a lot of them actually. Alas not in the fashion of the 
third little pig. :-) 
Jostein 

Den 29. juni 2016 07.04.14 CEST, skrev "P.J. Alling" 
:
>Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.  
>More properly they weren't uncultured.  The had quite a sophisticated 
>culture, it just didn't revolve around cities.
>
>On 6/28/2016 9:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Jostein Øksne 
>wrote:
>>
>>> All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the
>tribe's
>>> last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it
>retracted, while
>>> the rest of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation.
>>
>> Your Viking forebears were hardly uncivilized.  The became masters of
>> shipbuilding and ocean navigation
>>
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>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[P.J. Alling]

Strictly speaking they weren't civilized, they didn't build cities.  
More properly they weren't uncultured.  The had quite a sophisticated 
culture, it just didn't revolve around cities.


On 6/28/2016 9:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Jostein Øksne  wrote:


All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the tribe's
last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it retracted, while
the rest of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation.


Your Viking forebears were hardly uncivilized.  The became masters of
shipbuilding and ocean navigation

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Jostein Øksne  wrote:

> All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the tribe's
> last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it retracted, while
> the rest of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation.


Your Viking forebears were hardly uncivilized.  The became masters of
shipbuilding and ocean navigation

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Bill]

On 6/28/2016 5:40 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the
tribe's last retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it
retracted, while the rest of you busied yourself with inventing
civilisation. Bummer. Jostein


Ah, but if they hadn't, we wouldn't be able to say "This is Fjord 
country, what do you drive"?


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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Jostein Øksne]

All good for everyone except us Norwegians, descendants of the tribe's last 
retard who actually followed the ice northwards as it retracted, while the rest 
of you busied yourself with inventing civilisation. 
Bummer.
Jostein 

Den 28. juni 2016 21.17.55 CEST, skrev Mark Stringer :
>Those were my Celtic ancestors who were very happy with their animal 
>skins and dancing naked around the fire.  Sounds like Woodstock.
>Stringer
>
>On 6/27/2016 2:32 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
>> Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
>> animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
>> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).
>>
>> They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
>> and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.
>>
>> Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the
>Indus
>> Valley Civilization & India.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Bipin
>> from the IT Capital of the world - Bangalore.
>>

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Re: BREXIT !

[Mark Stringer]

That's why we love Pentax. Perpetual compatibility.
Stringer


On 6/27/2016 6:38 PM, Bill wrote:

On 6/27/2016 10:32 AM, Alan C wrote:

& much, much more. The Romans left an astonishing legacy. In fact, the
whole structure of British (& much of European) society.



This isn't a true story, though it is strange enough that it could be:


The US standard railroad gauge (distance between
the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That’s an
exceedingly odd number.

Why was that gauge used?

Because that’s the way they built them in England,
and English expatriates built the US Railroads.

Why did the English build them like that?

Because the first rail lines were built by the
same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and
that’s the gauge they used.

Why did “they” use that gauge then?

Because the people who built the tramways used
the same jigs and tools that they used for building
wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular
odd wheel spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing,
the wagon wheels would break on some of the old,
long distance roads in England, because that’s
the spacing of the wheel ruts.

So who built those old rutted roads?

Imperial Rome built the first long distance
roads in Europe (and England) for their legions. The
roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts in the roads?

Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts,
which everyone else had to match for fear of
destroying their wagon wheels.
Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they
were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

The United States standard railroad gauge of 4
feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original
specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
And bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you
are handed a specification and wonder what horse’s
ass came up with it, you may be exactly right,
because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made
just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two
war horses. Now the twist to the story…

When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its
launch pad, there are two big booster rockets
attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These
are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are
made by Thiokol at their factory at Utah. The
engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred
to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to
be shipped by train from the factory to the launch
site. The railroad line from the factory happens to
run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had
to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly
wider than the railroad track, and the railroad
track, as you now know, is about as wide as two
horses’ behinds.

So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what
is arguably the world’s most advanced transportation
system was determined over two thousand years ago by
the width of a horse’s ass. … and you thought
being a HORSE’S ASS wasn’t important!



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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Mark Stringer]

Those were my Celtic ancestors who were very happy with their animal 
skins and dancing naked around the fire.  Sounds like Woodstock.

Stringer

On 6/27/2016 2:32 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).

They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.

Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the Indus
Valley Civilization & India.

Regards.
Bipin
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[John]

On 6/27/2016 7:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Stanley Halpin wrote:


On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:


the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ


Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.


And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who got
it from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for
repairs to their spacecraft…


And they got it from this strange guy in a police box.




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[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Stanley Halpin  wrote:

> And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who
> got it from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for
> repairs to their spacecraft…


Not really.  In a couple of hundred years, the Greeks invented most of the
basic concepts of science, philosophy, and politics.

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[Bill]

Rottweilers. They gave us Rottweilers.


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[Bill]

On 6/27/2016 10:32 AM, Alan C wrote:

& much, much more. The Romans left an astonishing legacy. In fact, the
whole structure of British (& much of European) society.



This isn't a true story, though it is strange enough that it could be:


The US standard railroad gauge (distance between
the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That’s an
exceedingly odd number.

Why was that gauge used?

Because that’s the way they built them in England,
and English expatriates built the US Railroads.

Why did the English build them like that?

Because the first rail lines were built by the
same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and
that’s the gauge they used.

Why did “they” use that gauge then?

Because the people who built the tramways used
the same jigs and tools that they used for building
wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular
odd wheel spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing,
the wagon wheels would break on some of the old,
long distance roads in England, because that’s
the spacing of the wheel ruts.

So who built those old rutted roads?

Imperial Rome built the first long distance
roads in Europe (and England) for their legions. The
roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts in the roads?

Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts,
which everyone else had to match for fear of
destroying their wagon wheels.
Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they
were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

The United States standard railroad gauge of 4
feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original
specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
And bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you
are handed a specification and wonder what horse’s
ass came up with it, you may be exactly right,
because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made
just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two
war horses. Now the twist to the story…

When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its
launch pad, there are two big booster rockets
attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These
are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are
made by Thiokol at their factory at Utah. The
engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred
to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to
be shipped by train from the factory to the launch
site. The railroad line from the factory happens to
run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had
to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly
wider than the railroad track, and the railroad
track, as you now know, is about as wide as two
horses’ behinds.

So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what
is arguably the world’s most advanced transportation
system was determined over two thousand years ago by
the width of a horse’s ass. … and you thought
being a HORSE’S ASS wasn’t important!

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[Mark Roberts]

Stanley Halpin wrote:

>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>> 
>>> the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
>>> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ
>> 
>> Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
>> Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.
>
>And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who got 
>it from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for 
>repairs to their spacecraft…

And they got it from this strange guy in a police box.
 
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[Stanley Halpin]

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
>> the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
>> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ
>> 
> 
> Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
> Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.
> 
> 

And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who got it 
from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for repairs to 
their spacecraft…

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[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:

> the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ
>

Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.



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[Alan C]

You're forgetting Krypton!

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Bipin Gupta

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).

They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.

Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the Indus
Valley Civilization & India.

Regards.
Bipin
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[John]

Does that mean "You can always tell a Dane, but you can't tell him 
much!" 8-D


On 6/27/2016 2:26 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Alan C  wrote:


They learnt it from the Roman too.



I see nothing in that article to indicate that the Danes learned much of
anything from the Romans.  Certainly, there was trade, and warfare, but
nothing to indicate that the structure or civilization of the Danes was in
any sense "Romaqn."

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[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Alan C  wrote:

> They learnt it from the Roman too.


I see nothing in that article to indicate that the Danes learned much of
anything from the Romans.  Certainly, there was trade, and warfare, but
nothing to indicate that the structure or civilization of the Danes was in
any sense "Romaqn."

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[Alan C]

They learnt it from the Roman too.

http://romandanes.blogspot.co.za/2006/08/denmark-and-roman-empire.html

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 7:27 PM
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:


The Romans left an astonishing legacy. In fact, the whole structure of
British (& much of European) society.



Well, the Danes left an "astonishing legacy: as well, in terms of
structure, language and culture.

The first great literary work produced in England, takes place entirely in
Denmark, as does arguably the greatest English literary work, Hamlet.

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[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Alan C  wrote:

> The Romans left an astonishing legacy. In fact, the whole structure of
> British (& much of European) society.


Well, the Danes left an "astonishing legacy: as well, in terms of
structure, language and culture.

The first great literary work produced in England, takes place entirely in
Denmark, as does arguably the greatest English literary work, Hamlet.

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& much, much more. The Romans left an astonishing legacy. In fact, the whole 
structure of British (& much of European) society.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
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Romans.  Plumbing and sewers.  Bob S.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:

Bill wrote:


On 6/27/2016 12:48 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

We all tried our best, didn't we?


We tried, not sure if we succeeded. Those damned Romans really tried to
bugger things.


What have the Romans ever done for us?

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[Larry Colen]

John wrote:

On 6/26/2016 10:15 PM, Bill wrote:

On 6/26/2016 8:14 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Cattle isn't spelled "girls".


You are talking about the Welsh.



Yeah, Scotland has sheep!


It depends a bit on what part of Scotland. In many areas my 
understanding is that they tend a lot more towards cattle, a rather 
short and scruffy looking breed of cattle, but cattle nonetheless. A 
bunch of my ancestors by the name of MacGregor got in a wee bit of 
trouble with the English because they didn't see any reason why they 
should give up the time honored sport of cattle raids.


There is also the old question of why the Scots tend to raise cattle, 
and the Irish sheep. Because on average the Scots are just a bit taller.




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On 6/26/2016 10:15 PM, Bill wrote:

On 6/26/2016 8:14 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Cattle isn't spelled "girls".


You are talking about the Welsh.



Yeah, Scotland has sheep!




On June 26, 2016 5:52:27 PM PDT, Bill 
wrote:

On 6/26/2016 4:54 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/6/16, Bipin Gupta, discombobulated, unleashed:


One ridiculous law was that a newly married
Scott couple had to send the bride for the first night to the

British

Governor. What a shame.


I didn't know about that one - hot dog.



It's alright Bipin, the Scots have been taking their revenge for it for

several centuries now. Capturing English girls and making women out of
them has been a Scottish rite of passage for a very long time.







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[Ken Waller]

That's baad.


-Original Message-
>From: Bill <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: BREXIT !
>
>On 6/26/2016 8:14 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> Cattle isn't spelled "girls".
>
>You are talking about the Welsh.
>
>>
>> On June 26, 2016 5:52:27 PM PDT, Bill <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/26/2016 4:54 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>>> On 24/6/16, Bipin Gupta, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>>
>>>>> One ridiculous law was that a newly married
>>>>> Scott couple had to send the bride for the first night to the
>>> British
>>>>> Governor. What a shame.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know about that one - hot dog.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's alright Bipin, the Scots have been taking their revenge for it for
>>>
>>> several centuries now. Capturing English girls and making women out of
>>> them has been a Scottish rite of passage for a very long time.



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[Bill]

On 6/26/2016 8:14 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Cattle isn't spelled "girls".


You are talking about the Welsh.



On June 26, 2016 5:52:27 PM PDT, Bill  wrote:

On 6/26/2016 4:54 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/6/16, Bipin Gupta, discombobulated, unleashed:


One ridiculous law was that a newly married
Scott couple had to send the bride for the first night to the

British

Governor. What a shame.


I didn't know about that one - hot dog.



It's alright Bipin, the Scots have been taking their revenge for it for

several centuries now. Capturing English girls and making women out of
them has been a Scottish rite of passage for a very long time.





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[Larry Colen]

Cattle isn't spelled "girls".

On June 26, 2016 5:52:27 PM PDT, Bill  wrote:
>On 6/26/2016 4:54 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> On 24/6/16, Bipin Gupta, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> One ridiculous law was that a newly married
>>> Scott couple had to send the bride for the first night to the
>British
>>> Governor. What a shame.
>>
>> I didn't know about that one - hot dog.
>>
>
>It's alright Bipin, the Scots have been taking their revenge for it for
>
>several centuries now. Capturing English girls and making women out of 
>them has been a Scottish rite of passage for a very long time.

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Re: BREXIT !

[Bill]

On 6/26/2016 4:54 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/6/16, Bipin Gupta, discombobulated, unleashed:


One ridiculous law was that a newly married
Scott couple had to send the bride for the first night to the British
Governor. What a shame.


I didn't know about that one - hot dog.



It's alright Bipin, the Scots have been taking their revenge for it for 
several centuries now. Capturing English girls and making women out of 
them has been a Scottish rite of passage for a very long time.


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Re: BREXIT !

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/6/16, Bipin Gupta, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> One ridiculous law was that a newly married
>> Scott couple had to send the bride for the first night to the British
>> Governor. What a shame.
> 
> I didn't know about that one - hot dog.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Cotty

http://www.britannica.com/topic/droit-du-seigneur  
> Droit du seigneur, (French: “right of the lord”), a feudal right said to have 
> existed in medieval Europe giving the lord to whom it belonged the right to 
> sleep the first night with the bride of any one of his vassals. The custom is 
> paralleled in various [other] primitive societies,…


Note: not English, but rather feudal Europe, and of course particularly France.

stan


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Re: BREXIT !

[Steve Cottrell]

On 24/6/16, Bipin Gupta, discombobulated, unleashed:

> One ridiculous law was that a newly married
>Scott couple had to send the bride for the first night to the British
>Governor. What a shame.

I didn't know about that one - hot dog.

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Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: BREXIT !

[John Coyle]

 Bipin - you should know that the "Droit de Seigneur" which gave the right of 
the local landowner to
have the first night with a bride, came from Norman French law and was repealed 
a very long time
ago, having already fallen into disuse decades earlier.
While the Scots may still harbour resentment after the '15 and the '45, they 
have also been the
beneficiaries of North Sea oil for the last 40 years at least, with better 
employment figures than
many other parts of the UK.  Worth noting too is that Scotland has not been a 
viable entity
economically, and has relied on both UK and EU financial support.
As someone born and grown up in the UK, I am aware that there are independence 
movements in Wales,
Northern Ireland and Scotland with a seemingly impossible-to-placate hatred for 
Great Britain -
there isn't much more we can do for them, having offered the Scots a referendum 
to leave, which they
rejected, and given the Irish their own republic.  Wales could never stand on 
its own anyway.
The separation of the Scottish pound from sterling, was, I believe, a 
requirement of membership of
the EU, but I am open to correction on that.


John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta
Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2016 03:03
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: BREXIT !

Hello Steve, I have lived in Scotland while working for General Motors in 
Motherwell near Ardrie &
Peterhead up North near the oilfields.

The Scotts are "high thinking & simple living" type folks. Very 
un-materialistic and most of them
are minimalists.
Their stark lives are in contrast to that of the rest of the UK.

So I believe they think & respond with their brains rather than their hearts. 
Their vote to remain
with the EU is more to do with the greater humanistic European thinking & 
democratic ideals, their
art & culture.

Then also they get greater support & sympathy from Europe rather than Britannia.

For centuries the Scotts have only received humiliation & treachery from the 
British. One ridiculous
law was that a newly married Scott couple had to send the bride for the first 
night to the British
Governor. What a shame.

Their dislike for the British is at once visible. How many of you know that the 
Scottish Pound is a
different currency from the British Pound before the Euro??

Regards.
Bipin.

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