Re: OT: UK OK?

[John Sessoms]

Probably not a good thing. I do think we should be making a clear effort 
not to exterminate ourselves.


On 8/16/2022 2:49 PM, Underpaid N. Overpentaxed wrote:

Some scientists contend we may have altered and polluted her enough to
prevent the evolution of another lifeform similarly „intelligent“ as us in
the time remaining until the expansion of the Sun puts and end to her
habitability. Perhaps that’s a good thing.


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Re: OT: UK OK?

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Well, yes, but some of the tributaries dried up too so they’ll contribute their 
dry bits.

> On 17 Aug 2022, at 07:05, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> The river gets so much wider, it will only be a few millimetres long.
>> On 16/08/2022 15:24 Bob Pdml  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It would be interesting to be by the river in London when that dry bit 
>> passes through.
>> 
 On 16 Aug 2022, at 14:49, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I understand the headlines but this is not strictly true.
>>> 
>>> First of all, define ‘source’ = how large an area? The actual source of the 
>>> Thames is merely an area in a dip where water runs off surrounding hills in 
>>> Gloucestershire (quite near me) and collects, forming a trickle downhill 
>>> that turns into a small stream. Yes that has dried up, but has happened 
>>> before a few times.
>>> 
>>> But the headline sounds suitably cataclysmic :-)
>>> 
>>> Cot
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11 Aug 2022, at 13:00, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
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>>> For the first time in living memory, the source of the river Thames has
>>> dried up
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Some scientists contend we may have altered and polluted her enough to
prevent the evolution of another lifeform similarly „intelligent“ as us in
the time remaining until the expansion of the Sun puts and end to her
habitability. Perhaps that’s a good thing.

> On 11 Aug 2022, at 21:08, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
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> > Earth won't mind. We have developed into some kind of nasty infection
> > and it will be better off without us.
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Re: OT: UK OK?

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Still, I'll be sad to see us go.

On 8/16/2022 9:52 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Gaia!! Agree.

Cot


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Re: OT: UK OK?

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Am 16.08.22 um 16:24 schrieb Bob Pdml:

It would be interesting to be by the river in London when that dry bit passes 
through.


We're almost having this kind of situatin with the banks of the Rhine
being a few times wider than usual and areas which are normally under
several meters of water now high and dry. The authorities here in
Cologne are warning people not to go there as they keep finding pieces
of unexploded ordnance.

As a teenager in the late 1960s, I've dug out the head of a water mine
sitting in the sand, not knowing what that funny thing with those little
tentacles might be. Luckily, I was using a wooden stick and I lost
interest soon enough or I wouldn't be writing this.

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Re: OT: UK OK?

[Steve Cottrell]

Talk about coincidence - a friend of mine who is a journalist at ITV 
Westcountry sent me this link - he did a piece on the river near the source of 
the Thames. He just got a new toy, an Insta360 so he was showing me its uses. 
Some here might find the video interesting, and again shows the actual state of 
affairs of the river near the source.

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2022-08-16/picture-shows-before-and-after-as-source-of-river-thames-dries-up-entirely?fbclid=IwAR0Tgca8P0qMMK5yP9oSps0QK8Yj-VIPJdX0acsQZIMi6GC57ULs_huiwTQ

Link to an ITV website - I don’t know if non-UK viewers will be able to see it 
or not.

Cheers
Cot




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Re: OT: UK OK?

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It would be interesting to be by the river in London when that dry bit passes 
through.

> On 16 Aug 2022, at 14:49, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> I understand the headlines but this is not strictly true.
> 
> First of all, define ‘source’ = how large an area? The actual source of the 
> Thames is merely an area in a dip where water runs off surrounding hills in 
> Gloucestershire (quite near me) and collects, forming a trickle downhill that 
> turns into a small stream. Yes that has dried up, but has happened before a 
> few times.
> 
> But the headline sounds suitably cataclysmic :-)
> 
> Cot
> 
> 
> On 11 Aug 2022, at 13:00, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
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> For the first time in living memory, the source of the river Thames has
> dried up
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Re: OT: UK OK?

[Steve Cottrell]

If you had ever seen Bob’s dibber, believe me you’d want to head for the hills 
;-)

Cot


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[Steve Cottrell]

Gaia!! Agree.

Cot


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I understand the headlines but this is not strictly true.

First of all, define ‘source’ = how large an area? The actual source of the 
Thames is merely an area in a dip where water runs off surrounding hills in 
Gloucestershire (quite near me) and collects, forming a trickle downhill that 
turns into a small stream. Yes that has dried up, but has happened before a few 
times.

But the headline sounds suitably cataclysmic :-)

Cot


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Re: OT: UK OK?

[Steve Cottrell]

Meh. Certainly not ‘swathes’ of the country. There have been an unprecedented 
number of fires during the recent hot spell - most started by carelessness: 
BBQs, smoking, other. But nothing on the scale of past/current fires in other 
parts of the world. France and Spain are suffering far more worse than we are.

A balmy 20 c here in southern England today and rain.

Hope all well

Cot


On 11 Aug 2022, at 12:19, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

I am reading that the government in the UK is warning that Wildfires could
sweep across swathes of the country this weekend, with  an “unprecedented”
risk.that devastating blazes may spread into residential areas, because of
bone-dry conditions and powerful wind.

I hope everyone across the pond is and stays safe.  We live in such
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> On 11 Aug 2022, at 23:47, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
>>> […]
>> 
>> *no hosepipes allowed even in normal weather, so if you’ve ever seen the 
>> film Jean de Florette you’ll have an idea of what’s it like to keep it 
>> watered.
> 
> No Emmanuelle Beart to, er, give you a hand, I suppose?
> -

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Re: OT: UK OK?

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> On Aug 11, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Earth won't mind. We have developed into some kind of nasty infection
> and it will be better off without us.

Amen. Mother Earth provides for us, and the rest of life, generously. Beyond 
our pitiful capabilities of imagining. Ungrateful, we decided she needed 
improving. We see who was the wiser. Still we refuse to learn

The main cause of problems? Solutions! Literally!

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Re: OT: UK OK?

[ann sanfedele]

alas , my browser aint fancy enough to look there .. but I did find some 
maps to look at that let me in :-)


ann

On 8/11/2022 4:45 PM, Bob Pdml wrote:

https://geologyviewer.bgs.ac.uk/?_ga=2.78805268.1253513310.1660250677-1942513119.1660250677

On 11 Aug 2022, at 21:43, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Thanks for that very detailed and interesting story of your  neighborhood 
geology/geography.  The chalk substrate I gather is related to the "white cliffs of 
Dover"  ?  And I am off to look at topgraphic maps of England :-)
ann


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[Bob Pdml]

https://geologyviewer.bgs.ac.uk/?_ga=2.78805268.1253513310.1660250677-1942513119.1660250677

On 11 Aug 2022, at 21:43, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Thanks for that very detailed and interesting story of your  neighborhood 
geology/geography.  The chalk substrate I gather is related to the "white 
cliffs of Dover"  ?  And I am off to look at topgraphic maps of England :-)
ann


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Thanks for that very detailed and interesting story of your  
neighborhood geology/geography.  The chalk substrate I gather is related 
to the "white cliffs of Dover"  ?  And I am off to look at topgraphic 
maps of England :-)

ann


On 8/11/2022 4:24 PM, mike wilson wrote:

I live close to a fairly hilly, relatively unpopulated part of England.  In the 
1960s it was mooted that a large reservoir be built there to service the steel 
and chemical industries about 60 miles south on Teesside.  This entailed 
constructing the biggest (at that time) reservoir in Yurp and tunnels from its 
catchment to the river south of that, then another to the river south of 
_that_, the Tees.  The plan being for water from the reservoir to go to the 
first river, then be abstracted and tunneled to the second river before being 
finally abstracted for use in the industrial complexes.

Except the industrial complexes closed/reduced in size/moved elsewhere for 
better tax benefits, etc.  So the water was not needed.  Now the reservoir is a 
major leisure and wildlife resource that just happens to provide drinking water 
to most of the north east of England.

In south eastern England there is a chalk substrate, so groundwater literally 
disappears into the ground when there is a shortage of rain. It is also the 
most highly populated part of the British Isles. When there are complaints of a 
drought, it is mainly this part that is suffering.

Loads of other interesting stuff went on during the local dam's construction 
and first few years of use.  The most fascinating for me was the investigation 
into the collapse of salmon breeding in the host river of the reservoir.  It 
took a long time to work out that salmon fry only start to eat (after relying 
on their yolk sac from birth) when water temperatures reach a certain level.  
At first, the water went past the reservoir dam by being extracted from the 
base - this meant that it was too cold for the fry to start feeding and they 
starved to death.  Once this was realised, extraction was taken from a mix of 
bottom and top valves, allowing the water temperature to be controlled to 
approximate what it should be naturally.  Problem solved.

And I am off to buy a lawn sprinkler.


On 11/08/2022 19:36 ann sanfedele  wrote:

  
The geography of your location interests me - I can't remember what part

of the country you live in .. how is it that it could be so radically
different
in terms of water in alandmass so relatively small?

So awful what you are going through over there... it is unbearable here
too in many  places and river sources are drying up but climate widely
different in our large continent  and air conditioning is pretty widely
available.

ann

On 8/11/2022 1:53 PM, mike wilson wrote:

Blisteringly hot here for the second time this summer.  The ground (clay soil) 
is almost impossible to dig.  I am nursing a spectacular case of sunburn, 
despite being slathered in factor 50 - which can be quite fun in other ways.

Luckily, the extra-high temps only last a week or so but the average 
temperature has also been high for a long time so far.

We are lucky in this region regarding water, due to a huge investment in a 
gigantic reservoir that turned out not to be necessary.  During the 1976/7 
drought the then head of the water company was asked about the possibility of 
rationing and said
"If it stopped raining today and we simultaneously lost all the water in all of our 
other reservoirs, I might have to think about introducing rationing in about 18 months or 
so."

So the plants are still getting watered.

On 11/08/2022 12:19 Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

   
I am reading that the government in the UK is warning that Wildfires could

sweep across swathes of the country this weekend, with  an “unprecedented”
risk.that devastating blazes may spread into residential areas, because of
bone-dry conditions and powerful wind.

I hope everyone across the pond is and stays safe.  We live in such
difficult times.

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> On 11 Aug 2022, at 21:24, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> I […]
> In south eastern England there is a chalk substrate, so groundwater literally 
> disappears into the ground when there is a shortage of rain. It is also the 
> most highly populated part of the British Isles. When there are complaints of 
> a drought, it is mainly this part that is suffering.

We have lots of flint though, so when climate change has dragged everyone back 
to the Stone Age we’ll be laughing.

I have a (very dry*) allotment now and when I took it over about a month ago 
the Lord of the allotment explained how it has a good loamy topsoil, then some 
clay, then chalk all the way to Australia. They received a colossal water bill 
last year because there was a huge mains leak that would have flooded anywhere 
else, but just drained into the chalk without anyone noticing a problem.

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Am 11.08.22 um 20:23 schrieb Eric Weir:


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/27/james-lovelock-obituary

“The planet we live on has merely to shrug to take some fraction of a million 
people to their deaths,” Lovelock wrote in 2006. “But this is nothing compared 
with what may soon happen; we are now so abusing the Earth that it may rise and 
move back into the hot state it was in 55m years ago, and if it does, most of 
us, and our descendants, will die.”


Earth won't mind. We have developed into some kind of nasty infection
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[Underpaid N. Overpentaxed]

Sadly decades too late and even more decades late. But any mitigation that
delays collapse is good at this point.
Cheers
Eck

Daniel J. Matyola  schrieb am Do. 11. Aug. 2022 um
14:52:

> Ghe American Conress may have just taken a first cautious step toward
> addressing climate change.
>
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>
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:00 AM Ralf R Radermacher 
> wrote:
>
> > Am 11.08.22 um 13:19 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:
> > > I am reading that the government in the UK is warning that Wildfires
> > could
> > > sweep across swathes of the country this weekend, with  an
> > “unprecedented”
> > > risk.that devastating blazes may spread into residential areas, because
> > of
> > > bone-dry conditions and powerful wind.
> >
> > It's much the same all over Western Europe. There are even bigger fires
> > in France again. We had one near Berlin in a forest where the local
> > authorities stock and destroy unexplosed ordnance and illegal fireworks,
> > making the work of the fire brigade even more difficult and dangerous.
> >
> > For the first time in living memory, the source of the river Thames has
> > dried up, shipping on the Rhine is severely hampered and the river Po in
> > Northern Italy has been reduced to a rivulet, leaving the vast rice
> > fields in the area high and dry.
> >
> > But, of course, all this has nothing to do with climate change...
> >
> > Ralf
> >
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The geography of your location interests me - I can't remember what part 
of the country you live in .. how is it that it could be so radically 
different

in terms of water in alandmass so relatively small?

So awful what you are going through over there... it is unbearable here 
too in many  places and river sources are drying up but climate widely 
different in our large continent  and air conditioning is pretty widely 
available.


ann

On 8/11/2022 1:53 PM, mike wilson wrote:

Blisteringly hot here for the second time this summer.  The ground (clay soil) 
is almost impossible to dig.  I am nursing a spectacular case of sunburn, 
despite being slathered in factor 50 - which can be quite fun in other ways.

Luckily, the extra-high temps only last a week or so but the average 
temperature has also been high for a long time so far.

We are lucky in this region regarding water, due to a huge investment in a 
gigantic reservoir that turned out not to be necessary.  During the 1976/7 
drought the then head of the water company was asked about the possibility of 
rationing and said
"If it stopped raining today and we simultaneously lost all the water in all of our 
other reservoirs, I might have to think about introducing rationing in about 18 months or 
so."

So the plants are still getting watered.

On 11/08/2022 12:19 Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

  
I am reading that the government in the UK is warning that Wildfires could

sweep across swathes of the country this weekend, with  an “unprecedented”
risk.that devastating blazes may spread into residential areas, because of
bone-dry conditions and powerful wind.

I hope everyone across the pond is and stays safe.  We live in such
difficult times.

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> On Aug 11, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> Very strange times...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/27/james-lovelock-obituary

“The planet we live on has merely to shrug to take some fraction of a million 
people to their deaths,” Lovelock wrote in 2006. “But this is nothing compared 
with what may soon happen; we are now so abusing the Earth that it may rise and 
move back into the hot state it was in 55m years ago, and if it does, most of 
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Re: OT: UK OK?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 11.08.22 um 16:16 schrieb Toine:

It's dry, so dry the power plants don't have enough cooling water due to
low water in the rivers.


And the barges supplying their fuel, if it's oil or coal, can only be
loaded at 1/3 or 1/2 of their normal capacity. In some places, the big
Rhine barges have a mere 40 cm (15") of water below their keel. And the
level is still falling at a time when they had hoped to use more coal in
order to save gas for the next winter.

Strange ties indeed.

Ralf

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Re: OT: UK OK?

[Toine]

It's dry, so dry the power plants don't have enough cooling water due to
low water in the rivers. Next winter another horror scenario is planned due
to gas shortage. I'm lucky to have PV panels and inverter AC's installed
last year. Only problem: if the 230V fails the PV panels shut down. Maybe I
need a very very big tesla home battery but it's currently unobtainable and
Lithium is soon in short supply...
What's next? Very strange times...

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022, 14:52 Daniel J. Matyola,  wrote:

> Ghe American Conress may have just taken a first cautious step toward
> addressing climate change.
>
> Dan Matyola
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> *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:00 AM Ralf R Radermacher 
> wrote:
>
> > Am 11.08.22 um 13:19 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:
> > > I am reading that the government in the UK is warning that Wildfires
> > could
> > > sweep across swathes of the country this weekend, with  an
> > “unprecedented”
> > > risk.that devastating blazes may spread into residential areas, because
> > of
> > > bone-dry conditions and powerful wind.
> >
> > It's much the same all over Western Europe. There are even bigger fires
> > in France again. We had one near Berlin in a forest where the local
> > authorities stock and destroy unexplosed ordnance and illegal fireworks,
> > making the work of the fire brigade even more difficult and dangerous.
> >
> > For the first time in living memory, the source of the river Thames has
> > dried up, shipping on the Rhine is severely hampered and the river Po in
> > Northern Italy has been reduced to a rivulet, leaving the vast rice
> > fields in the area high and dry.
> >
> > But, of course, all this has nothing to do with climate change...
> >
> > Ralf
> >
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[Daniel J. Matyola]

Ghe American Conress may have just taken a first cautious step toward
addressing climate change.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 8:00 AM Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:

> Am 11.08.22 um 13:19 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:
> > I am reading that the government in the UK is warning that Wildfires
> could
> > sweep across swathes of the country this weekend, with  an
> “unprecedented”
> > risk.that devastating blazes may spread into residential areas, because
> of
> > bone-dry conditions and powerful wind.
>
> It's much the same all over Western Europe. There are even bigger fires
> in France again. We had one near Berlin in a forest where the local
> authorities stock and destroy unexplosed ordnance and illegal fireworks,
> making the work of the fire brigade even more difficult and dangerous.
>
> For the first time in living memory, the source of the river Thames has
> dried up, shipping on the Rhine is severely hampered and the river Po in
> Northern Italy has been reduced to a rivulet, leaving the vast rice
> fields in the area high and dry.
>
> But, of course, all this has nothing to do with climate change...
>
> Ralf
>
> --
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Re: OT: UK OK?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 11.08.22 um 13:19 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:

I am reading that the government in the UK is warning that Wildfires could
sweep across swathes of the country this weekend, with  an “unprecedented”
risk.that devastating blazes may spread into residential areas, because of
bone-dry conditions and powerful wind.


It's much the same all over Western Europe. There are even bigger fires
in France again. We had one near Berlin in a forest where the local
authorities stock and destroy unexplosed ordnance and illegal fireworks,
making the work of the fire brigade even more difficult and dangerous.

For the first time in living memory, the source of the river Thames has
dried up, shipping on the Rhine is severely hampered and the river Po in
Northern Italy has been reduced to a rivulet, leaving the vast rice
fields in the area high and dry.

But, of course, all this has nothing to do with climate change...

Ralf

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