Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
It's banned by some homeowners associations, and some municipal
governments in the US at least. I wouldn't live in a town that did that
and I certainly wouldn't join any homeowners association regardless.
On 1/20/2010 2:17 AM, David Mann wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:
Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry.
It strikes me as odd that someone would find that unusual.
Dave
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On 1/20/2010 8:20 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: David Mann
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:
Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry.
It strikes me as odd that someone would find that unusual.
Dave
Tell that to your Home Owners Association ... story from my own
back yard so to speak (figuratively WRAL is the local TV station)
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2119468/
There have been stories of homeowners associations going after people
flying flags they didn't approve of.
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On 1/20/2010 8:31 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:19 AM, William Robb wrote:
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We're not even allowed to do it in my community. I guess some consider it an
eyesore.
If you had the interest to check into it, I bet you'd find that the laundry
machine lobbyists had a behind the scenes hand in it.
No, it's a local rule passed by the homeowners association and applies just to
a few hundred homes here. If I cared enough, I'd hang laundry anyway.
Association rules are non-enforcable. They're more or less voluntary. But by
breaking them, you run the risk of upsetting your neighbors.
Paul
In some places you can be subject to civil suit for breaking association
rules.
William Robb
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Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
You ask to much, life is. Humans are a lot more altruistic than could
possibly be expected from the behavior of all other known life.
On 1/20/2010 3:10 PM, Bob W wrote:
In the US it is against most home owner's association
bylaws to do
so. Kerry was so disappointed to find out we couldn't have a
clothesline out the back when she moved here 10 years ago.
Not even in your own back-yard? Incredible.
Home owner's associations. Making suburbia suck...just a
little bit more.
You should tell them to f_ck off to Switzerland where people like that sort
of thing.
Bob
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On 1/21/2010 8:40 AM, David Savage wrote:
2010/1/21 William Robbwar...@gmail.com:
- Original Message - From: David Mann Subject: Re: OT - how to
guarantee you luggage won't be lost
On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:20 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
Tell that to your Home Owners Association ...
Why do people put up with such shit?
It's all done in the name of freedom and liberty.
At least they have their guns.
DS
Shooting homeowners association members in peacetime is frowned upon.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost It's banned by some homeowners associations, and some municipal governments in the US at least. I wouldn't live in a town that did that and I certainly wouldn't join any homeowners association regardless. Around here, you don't choose to join homeowner's associations - they come with the house (in most sub divisions) - not joining means no house. On 1/20/2010 2:17 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry. It strikes me as odd that someone would find that unusual. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On 1/20/2010 8:31 AM, paul stenquist wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:19 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost We're not even allowed to do it in my community. I guess some consider it an eyesore. If you had the interest to check into it, I bet you'd find that the laundry machine lobbyists had a behind the scenes hand in it. No, it's a local rule passed by the homeowners association and applies just to a few hundred homes here. If I cared enough, I'd hang laundry anyway. Association rules are non-enforcable. They're more or less voluntary. But by breaking them, you run the risk of upsetting your neighbors. Paul In some places you can be subject to civil suit for breaking association rules. The homeowners association will eventually put a lien on you property if they are so inclined. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-01-24 13:01 , Ken Waller wrote: Around here, you don't choose to join homeowner's associations - they come with the house (in most sub divisions) - not joining means no house. i'm so glad i live in an urban neighborhood whose diversity is itself seen as a major attraction, and where displays of individuality are not only tolerated, they are relished in the interior west of the USA there persists a spirit of independence; it has been abandoned in the landscape of the suburban projects as i call them, the mass developments of the last 40 years or so; however the urbs, the older suburbs, and the exurbs and small towns are largely without restrictions on expression; so one _does_ have a choice (the downside of this western freedom is that too few see value in investing in the collective welfare and future) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:14 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-01-24 13:01 , Ken Waller wrote: Around here, you don't choose to join homeowner's associations - they come with the house (in most sub divisions) - not joining means no house. i'm so glad i live in an urban neighborhood whose diversity is itself seen as a major attraction, and where displays of individuality are not only tolerated, they are relished in the interior west of the USA there persists a spirit of independence; it has been abandoned in the landscape of the suburban projects as i call them, the mass developments of the last 40 years or so; however the urbs, the older suburbs, and the exurbs and small towns are largely without restrictions on expression; so one _does_ have a choice Plenty of older suburbs have homeowner's associations, and some of them have odious restrictions. Some poor urban neighborhoods have introduced similar covenants in an effort to combat blight. Most of the high-rise condominiums in New York and San Francisco have owner associations that impose restrictions on what residents can do. Some are much stricter than any suburban homeowner's association. No pets is a common restriction. t's all a matter of what's important to the residents. (the downside of this western freedom is that too few see value in investing in the collective welfare and future) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/24/2010 3:14 PM, steve harley wrote:
On 2010-01-24 13:01 , Ken Waller wrote:
Around here, you don't choose to join homeowner's associations - they
come with the house (in most sub divisions) - not joining means no
house.
i'm so glad i live in an urban neighborhood whose diversity is itself
seen as a major attraction, and where displays of individuality are
not only tolerated, they are relished
in the interior west of the USA there persists a spirit of
independence; it has been abandoned in the landscape of the suburban
projects as i call them, the mass developments of the last 40 years
or so; however the urbs, the older suburbs, and the exurbs and small
towns are largely without restrictions on expression; so one _does_
have a choice
(the downside of this western freedom is that too few see value in
investing in the collective welfare and future)
Freedom must be tempered with responsibility, if you teach one without
the other you get anarchy which seems to be where we're headed.
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On 1/24/2010 3:29 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:14 PM, steve harley wrote:
On 2010-01-24 13:01 , Ken Waller wrote:
Around here, you don't choose to join homeowner's associations - they
come with the house (in most sub divisions) - not joining means no house.
i'm so glad i live in an urban neighborhood whose diversity is itself seen as a
major attraction, and where displays of individuality are not only tolerated,
they are relished
in the interior west of the USA there persists a spirit of independence; it has been
abandoned in the landscape of the suburban projects as i call them, the mass
developments of the last 40 years or so; however the urbs, the older suburbs, and the
exurbs and small towns are largely without restrictions on expression; so one _does_ have
a choice
Plenty of older suburbs have homeowner's associations, and some of them have odious
restrictions. Some poor urban neighborhoods have introduced similar covenants in an
effort to combat blight. Most of the high-rise condominiums in New York and San Francisco
have owner associations that impose restrictions on what residents can do. Some are much
stricter than any suburban homeowner's association. No pets is a common
restriction. t's all a matter of what's important to the residents.
It really depends on how active the homeowners association wants to be.
I know of at least one where the association is defunct. If that
happens I would guess all association covenants are void.
(the downside of this western freedom is that too few see value in investing in
the collective welfare and future)
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: You are letting facts (actual impact on real estate value) confuse you. The issue is one of perception. In the early days of Americans' move from the Cities to the Suburbs, part of the incentive was to appear to be higher class. Ruffians and naer-do-wells let their grass grow too long, paint their houses garish colors, cannot afford modern conveniences like electric dryers and thus hang their clothes out to dry, cannot afford a proper mechanic and thus do car repair in their drive, etc. The way to avoid ruffians and naer-do-wells therefore obviously is to ban signs of such behavior. At least that way you avoid the appearance of being around such people. In one of the early (1920's) developments in the Kansas City area, the developer objected to the look of garages with open doors, and he wrote a prohibition on open doors into the covenants. And on Sundays he and his family would go for a drive, checking for open doors along the way. Here in the Wild West, the attitude is that I can do whatever I want, and everyone else had better do what I want as well. He with the fastest gun or biggest wallet wins. snip I think you hit the nail on the head, Stan. The inner cities of the early 20th Century were lawless, chaotic, dangerous places. The suburbs were places where young families could move to and raise their children in safety, away from the horrors and squalor of The Big City. The way to ensure safety is order, the way to maintain order is control. It's not ~just~ about appearances, it's lifestyle. Think the suburban subdivision in Edward Scissorhands... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:20 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Tell that to your Home Owners Association ... Why do people put up with such shit? We have too many rules as it is, and I don't see how hanging laundry in my back yard is going to de-value anyone's property. Some people need to seriously get a life, and some other people need to grow some balls and tell them where to shove it. FWIW there are similar covenants (written by covens I guess) starting to appear in this city as part of newer property developments. But I don't know exactly how far they extend. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 21, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Here's a breathtaking vista from the North Island of New Zealand, complete with laundry. http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NorthIslandNewZealand#4999302824687304722 That laundry is *so* spoiling the view. And they need to mow the lawn. /sarcasm Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Stan Halpin wrote: Also, no exterior TV antennas or sat dishes, The FCC ruled several years ago that an HOA cannot make rules restricting TV antennas or satellite dishes. Otherwise no one would be able to have DirecTV. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: David Mann Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:20 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Tell that to your Home Owners Association ... Why do people put up with such shit? It's all done in the name of freedom and liberty. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/1/21 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: David Mann Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:20 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Tell that to your Home Owners Association ... Why do people put up with such shit? It's all done in the name of freedom and liberty. At least they have their guns. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Francis On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 03:20:48PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I haven't delved into this much more than a superficial level, but I can tell from experience its due to what some homeowners do in some subdivisions. You wouldn't believe what homeowners would do to their property if left to their own devices. How about a tree house on the front lawn - in a sub division, or outlandish exterior colors, dismantling old cars in the street, storing all sorts of items out in the open for months/years? The last two are illegal here (San Jose, California). As for house colo(u)rs - I got a few comments from my neighbours when I repainted my house in something other than the ubiquitous pastels: http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/MyNewCar1.jpg The house next door reminds me of an old joke ... Q: What's the difference between a prostitute, a mistress and a wife? A: The prostitute says Aren't you done yet? The mistress says Are you done already? ...And the wife says Beige, I think I'll paint the garage beige. ;-D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 07:12:18AM -0500, Christian wrote: Stan Halpin wrote: Also, no exterior TV antennas or sat dishes, The FCC ruled several years ago that an HOA cannot make rules restricting TV antennas or satellite dishes. Otherwise no one would be able to have DirecTV. Not quite. The ruling said a HOA couldn't simply ban DirecTV, say. But they could make rules about where you placed the antenna. If it was entirely within your space (on a patio, for example) then it was OK, but you still couldn't stick the satellite dish on an outside wall, because that was in the shared space. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:20 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Tell that to your Home Owners Association ... Why do people put up with such shit? I didn't have to, I could have gone elsewhere, but the homeowner associations I'm aware of have similar restrictions. Its all due to human nature and the lack of respect most people have for their neighbors (among other things) We have too many rules as it is, and I don't see how hanging laundry in my back yard is going to de-value anyone's property. Some people need to seriously get a life, and some other people need to grow some balls and tell them where to shove it. FWIW there are similar covenants (written by covens I guess) starting to appear in this city as part of newer property developments. But I don't know exactly how far they extend. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22/01/2010, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I didn't have to, I could have gone elsewhere, but the homeowner associations I'm aware of have similar restrictions. Its all due to human nature and the lack of respect most people have for their neighbors (among other things) As I mentioned earlier we have laws and local government to manage these sorts of issue but the inference that keeping clothes off lines or other ridiculous limitations will somehow preserve the value of real estate is pure bunk. We have one of the most robust and least affordable real estate markets here and clothes on lines in the majority of back-yards. Every second back-yard in Sydney features a rotary clothes line such as a Hills hoist (easy to see using Google Earth) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hills_hoist http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: As I mentioned earlier we have laws and local government to manage these sorts of issue but the inference that keeping clothes off lines or other ridiculous limitations will somehow preserve the value of real estate is pure bunk. We have one of the most robust and least affordable real estate markets here and clothes on lines in the majority of back-yards. Every second back-yard in Sydney features a rotary clothes line such as a Hills hoist (easy to see using Google Earth) You are letting facts (actual impact on real estate value) confuse you. The issue is one of perception. In the early days of Americans' move from the Cities to the Suburbs, part of the incentive was to appear to be higher class. Ruffians and naer-do-wells let their grass grow too long, paint their houses garish colors, cannot afford modern conveniences like electric dryers and thus hang their clothes out to dry, cannot afford a proper mechanic and thus do car repair in their drive, etc. The way to avoid ruffians and naer-do-wells therefore obviously is to ban signs of such behavior. At least that way you avoid the appearance of being around such people. In one of the early (1920's) developments in the Kansas City area, the developer objected to the look of garages with open doors, and he wrote a prohibition on open doors into the covenants. And on Sundays he and his family would go for a drive, checking for open doors along the way. Here in the Wild West, the attitude is that I can do whatever I want, and everyone else had better do what I want as well. He with the fastest gun or biggest wallet wins. As I mentioned, I live in an old 1837 farmhouse not at all like my neighbors. I didn't have much choice about its location - if I wanted the house, I accepted the Home's Association covenants. However, the Association mows and otherwise takes care of all lawns. My 80,000 sq. ft. of lawn is mowed as often as my neighbors' 400 sq. ft. areas, and I pay the same per-household dues that they do. And I have the use of the pool, the tennis courts, and other amenities. It balances out. Several have mentioned putting liens on property as a way of enforcing Association rules. We regularly do that in cases of people who don't pay their Association dues. 5-10 years later, when they sell or the property is foreclosed, we may receive what is due if there is any left after the mortgage holder is paid. It is not a very efficient enforcement mechanism. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David Mann wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry. It strikes me as odd that someone would find that unusual. Dave In the US it is against most home owner's association bylaws to do so. Kerry was so disappointed to find out we couldn't have a clothesline out the back when she moved here 10 years ago. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 20, 2010, at 2:17 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry. It strikes me as odd that someone would find that unusual. We're not even allowed to do it in my community. I guess some consider it an eyesore. But nothing smells as good as laundry that dried outdoors on a breezy summer day. And of course it reminds me of my childhood in the fifties, when everyone here dried their laundry outdoors. Paul Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: David Mann On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry. It strikes me as odd that someone would find that unusual. Dave Tell that to your Home Owners Association ... story from my own back yard so to speak (figuratively WRAL is the local TV station) http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2119468/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/01/2010, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: In the US it is against most home owner's association bylaws to do so. Kerry was so disappointed to find out we couldn't have a clothesline out the back when she moved here 10 years ago. Not even in your own back-yard? Incredible. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost We're not even allowed to do it in my community. I guess some consider it an eyesore. If you had the interest to check into it, I bet you'd find that the laundry machine lobbyists had a behind the scenes hand in it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/1/20 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: On 20/01/2010, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: In the US it is against most home owner's association bylaws to do so. Kerry was so disappointed to find out we couldn't have a clothesline out the back when she moved here 10 years ago. Not even in your own back-yard? Incredible. That nucking futs. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:19 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost We're not even allowed to do it in my community. I guess some consider it an eyesore. If you had the interest to check into it, I bet you'd find that the laundry machine lobbyists had a behind the scenes hand in it. No, it's a local rule passed by the homeowners association and applies just to a few hundred homes here. If I cared enough, I'd hang laundry anyway. Association rules are non-enforcable. They're more or less voluntary. But by breaking them, you run the risk of upsetting your neighbors. Paul William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rob Studdert wrote: On 20/01/2010, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: In the US it is against most home owner's association bylaws to do so. Kerry was so disappointed to find out we couldn't have a clothesline out the back when she moved here 10 years ago. Not even in your own back-yard? Incredible. Nope. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On Jan 20, 2010, at 2:17 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry. It strikes me as odd that someone would find that unusual. We're not even allowed to do it in my community. I guess some consider it an eyesore. But nothing smells as good as laundry that dried outdoors on a breezy summer day. And of course it reminds me of my childhood in the fifties, when everyone here dried their laundry outdoors. Ditto.. Paul Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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paul stenquist wrote: But nothing smells as good as laundry that dried outdoors on a breezy summer day. ...except napalm in the morning! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/20/10, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/01/2010, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: In the US it is against most home owner's association bylaws to do so. Kerry was so disappointed to find out we couldn't have a clothesline out the back when she moved here 10 years ago. Not even in your own back-yard? Incredible. Home owner's associations. Making suburbia suck...just a little bit more. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: paul stenquist On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:19 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost We're not even allowed to do it in my community. I guess some consider it an eyesore. If you had the interest to check into it, I bet you'd find that the laundry machine lobbyists had a behind the scenes hand in it. No, it's a local rule passed by the homeowners association and applies just to a few hundred homes here. If I cared enough, I'd hang laundry anyway. Association rules are non-enforcable. They're more or less voluntary. But by breaking them, you run the risk of upsetting your neighbors. Paul They are semi-enforceable. If you signed the covenant when you bought the house and agreed to abide by homeowner's association rules, they can enforce it as a contract. Break the rules = breach of contract. They can get a court order forcing you to conform to the rules. In some places, the homeowner's association rules gain force of law by being enacted as zoning ordinances. That's what they're trying to do around here because my neighborhood doesn't have a homeowner's association. They tried to form one, but I told them I wasn't interested; that if they did form one around me, I refused to be bound by their rules; and suggested that if they continued to bother me with that crap I would ... Uh, demonstrate the depth of my objection in a tangible manner. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In the US it is against most home owner's association bylaws to do so. Kerry was so disappointed to find out we couldn't have a clothesline out the back when she moved here 10 years ago. Not even in your own back-yard? Incredible. Home owner's associations. Making suburbia suck...just a little bit more. You should tell them to f_ck off to Switzerland where people like that sort of thing. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost We're not even allowed to do it in my community. I guess some consider it an eyesore. If you had the interest to check into it, I bet you'd find that the laundry machine lobbyists had a behind the scenes hand in it. I haven't delved into this much more than a superficial level, but I can tell from experience its due to what some homeowners do in some subdivisions. You wouldn't believe what homeowners would do to their property if left to their own devices. How about a tree house on the front lawn - in a sub division, or outlandish exterior colors, dismantling old cars in the street, storing all sorts of items out in the open for months/years? These all have an effect on real estate values, especially in a grouping of houses. In a perfect world, association rules against these things wouldn't be necessary. BTW enforcement of these rules are generally lax, but in my sub it will eventually result in a lein on you house. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/01/2010, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I haven't delved into this much more than a superficial level, but I can tell from experience its due to what some homeowners do in some subdivisions. You wouldn't believe what homeowners would do to their property if left to their own devices. How about a tree house on the front lawn - in a sub division, or outlandish exterior colors, dismantling old cars in the street, storing all sorts of items out in the open for months/years? These all have an effect on real estate values, especially in a grouping of houses. In a perfect world, association rules against these things wouldn't be necessary. That's all dealt with under building codes and local council regulations here, it's more to do with safety and health than anything else though. I think the only regulations regarding outside clothes drying here are in unit (multi-story) complexes. Frankly I can't see any justification for preventing people from drying clothes in their own private back-yard (especially in light of the ridiculous energy waste). -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here's a breathtaking vista from the North Island of New Zealand, complete with laundry. http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/NorthIslandNewZealand#4999302824687304722 Obvously, there were no homeowner associations in this neighborhood. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:17 AM, David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry. It strikes me as odd that someone would find that unusual. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rob Studdert wrote: Frankly I can't see any justification for preventing people from drying clothes in their own private back-yard (especially in light of the ridiculous energy waste). The town i live in now had a bad water shortage a couple of years ago and encourages homeowners to collect rain water from every downspout on their houses and gives a small tax incentive to do so. My home-owners association allows a maximum of 2 rain barrels and only in the back. I live within the town limits and they encourage conservation yet my HOA limits what I can do. Unfortunately the HOA is the final authority so I have to comply with them or get a lein on my house. Of course now that my deck has been approved and built, my neighbors and I are going to challenge all the dumb architectural by-laws. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 03:20:48PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I haven't delved into this much more than a superficial level, but I can tell from experience its due to what some homeowners do in some subdivisions. You wouldn't believe what homeowners would do to their property if left to their own devices. How about a tree house on the front lawn - in a sub division, or outlandish exterior colors, dismantling old cars in the street, storing all sorts of items out in the open for months/years? The last two are illegal here (San Jose, California). As for house colo(u)rs - I got a few comments from my neighbours when I repainted my house in something other than the ubiquitous pastels: http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/MyNewCar1.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost The last two are illegal here (San Jose, California). As for house colo(u)rs - I got a few comments from my neighbours when I repainted my house in something other than the ubiquitous pastels: http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/MyNewCar1.jpg I'd complain too. That blue is hideous beside the red Mini. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:36 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: They are semi-enforceable. If you signed the covenant when you bought the house and agreed to abide by homeowner's association rules, they can enforce it as a contract. Break the rules = breach of contract. They can get a court order forcing you to conform to the rules. In some places, the homeowner's association rules gain force of law by being enacted as zoning ordinances. That's what they're trying to do around here because my neighborhood doesn't have a homeowner's association. They tried to form one, but I told them I wasn't interested; that if they did form one around me, I refused to be bound by their rules; and suggested that if they continued to bother me with that crap I would ... Uh, demonstrate the depth of my objection in a tangible manner. They're called restrictive covenants and they're registered on title by the developer at the time the lots are subdivided. They run with the land, so by purchasing the land and registering the deed you are agreeing to be bound by it. You do not have to sign a contract with anyone, it's just there with the land. The homeowners association enforces them, but really, they have nothing to do with instituting them. They can only be enforced by suing for breach of contract in court. I recall hearing that the restrictive covenants against clothes lines came about because they were seen as an eyesore in a modern suburb, the thought being that clothes lines were seen as a lower class thing, in inner city slums and such. A court will strike down a restrictive covenant in some cases. I seem to recall one that restricted homeowners from putting a flagpoles on their property. A homeowner's association took a family to court for flying a Canadian flag and the court struck down the covenant and allowed him to be patriotic. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost A homeowner's association took a family to court for flying a Canadian flag and the court struck down the covenant and allowed him to be patriotic. It's amazing that the Supreme Court didn't step in and overturn the lower court. Patriotism is strictly forbidden. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Also, no exterior TV antennas or sat dishes, no unusual exterior colors, fencing only of a specified height and construction, only for small areas around the patio area, etc. etc. In our association, I live in the old farmhouse (1837 vintage) whose previous owner plus 2 sold the land that became the development of duplexes and townhouses. We hang our clothes outside to dry from time to time, we drive on the grass, we basically ignore the rules. But most of the neighbors don't know that we are even subject to the rules, so we aren't setting a bad example. I've been on the Association Board of Directors off and on for many years, currently president, and I long ago learned that the rules are for show only. The Association is toothless when it tries to enforce anything. stan On Jan 20, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 20/01/2010, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: In the US it is against most home owner's association bylaws to do so. Kerry was so disappointed to find out we couldn't have a clothesline out the back when she moved here 10 years ago. Not even in your own back-yard? Incredible. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost Also, no exterior TV antennas or sat dishes, no unusual exterior colors, fencing only of a specified height and construction, only for small areas around the patio area, etc. etc. In our association, I live in the old farmhouse (1837 vintage) whose previous owner plus 2 sold the land that became the development of duplexes and townhouses. We hang our clothes outside to dry from time to time, we drive on the grass, we basically ignore the rules. But most of the neighbors don't know that we are even subject to the rules, so we aren't setting a bad example. I've been on the Association Board of Directors off and on for many years, currently president, and I long ago learned that the rules are for show only. The Association is toothless when it tries to enforce anything. My association has placed liens on homeowners not in compliance. They can't sell their property without taking care of the lien. stan On Jan 20, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 20/01/2010, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: In the US it is against most home owner's association bylaws to do so. Kerry was so disappointed to find out we couldn't have a clothesline out the back when she moved here 10 years ago. Not even in your own back-yard? Incredible. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Add maize trim you'd be very welcome in Ann Arbor, Michigan - Go Blue Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: John Francis jo...@panix.com Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 03:20:48PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I haven't delved into this much more than a superficial level, but I can tell from experience its due to what some homeowners do in some subdivisions. You wouldn't believe what homeowners would do to their property if left to their own devices. How about a tree house on the front lawn - in a sub division, or outlandish exterior colors, dismantling old cars in the street, storing all sorts of items out in the open for months/years? The last two are illegal here (San Jose, California). As for house colo(u)rs - I got a few comments from my neighbours when I repainted my house in something other than the ubiquitous pastels: http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/MyNewCar1.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling wrote: On 1/18/2010 2:03 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:08 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Only until the English turned up and used it as a prison. Dave I kind of thought that you threw off the English yoke, freed the prisoners and such... The Queen is still on their money... 'nuff said! :-) -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost I kind of thought that you threw off the English yoke, freed the prisoners and such... The Queen is still on their money... 'nuff said! :-) There's a lot of good things to be said about a Consitutional Monarchy, providing the Queen (or her representative) would do their bloody jobs. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/1/19 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: I kind of thought that you threw off the English yoke, freed the prisoners and such... Don't confuse Aussie Dave Savage, with Kiwi Dave Mann. Kiwi Dave is merely gloating that NZ was never a penal colony, unlike so many other former British possessions. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't confuse Aussie Dave Savage, with Kiwi Dave Mann. Kiwi Dave is merely gloating that NZ was never a penal colony, unlike so many other former British possessions. New Zealand is where British people go when they want to live in the 1950s. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Bob W wrote: Don't confuse Aussie Dave Savage, with Kiwi Dave Mann. Kiwi Dave is merely gloating that NZ was never a penal colony, unlike so many other former British possessions. New Zealand is where British people go when they want to live in the 1950s. Americans too! I love the south island. Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry. There are no superhighways. And everyone I met during my three weeks of work on the island was very nice. Throw in spectacular mountains, beautiful streams and lakes, lots of coast line, and you have a 1950s paradise. Fabulous. Paul Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:38 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: Folks hang their laundry on clothes lines to dry. It strikes me as odd that someone would find that unusual. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-) Americans still haven't figured out that freedom doesn't come from a gun barrel. Security sure does. Apparently Iraq was a secure country until 2003. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 18, 2010, at 8:06 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-) Americans still haven't figured out that freedom doesn't come from a gun barrel. Security sure does. Apparently Iraq was a secure country until 2003. And Germany was a secure country until 1939. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost Security sure does. Apparently Iraq was a secure country until 2003. And Germany was a secure country until 1939. And Canada is still a secure country. Are you trying to make a point? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost And Germany was a secure country until 1939. As an aside Paul, do you think Europe would have been a more secure or less place to live from 1939 to 1945 if Germany had had no guns? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:40 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost And Germany was a secure country until 1939. As an aside Paul, do you think Europe would have been a more secure or less place to live from 1939 to 1945 if Germany had had no guns? I don't have strong feelings one way or another on issues of gun control, but I do know that Europe would have been -- and is -- a much more secure place to live without Hitler. So too, the middle east will ultimately be more secure without Sadaam, whose ambitions, rhetoric and genocidal actions were much akin to those of the German dictator. I only responded to this because you were US-bashing again. But I don't want to talk politics. I have photos to take. Done. Paul William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/18/2010 9:40 AM, William Robb wrote:
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And Germany was a secure country until 1939.
As an aside Paul, do you think Europe would have been a more secure or
less place to live from 1939 to 1945 if Germany had had no guns?
William Robb
The German Army had guns. For the German subject, guns were strictly
controlled and registered, and German Jews had their private firearms
confiscated in 1938 when Gun ownership for Jews, was made illegal.
An individual even armed with a machine gun can do only limited damage,
and army with machine guns is another matter.
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On 1/18/2010 2:03 AM, David Mann wrote:
On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:08 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Didn't Australia used to be a free country?
Only until the English turned up and used it as a prison.
Dave
I kind of thought that you threw off the English yoke, freed the
prisoners and such...
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Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
2010/1/19 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: On 1/18/2010 2:03 AM, David Mann wrote: On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:08 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Only until the English turned up and used it as a prison. Dave I kind of thought that you threw off the English yoke, freed the prisoners and such... We're still part of The Commonwealth and Queen Elizabeth II is still officially our head of state. But that doesn't concern me. They can have their grey rock, and I'll enjoy our red one surrounded by warm water: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4285110658_566a556c77_o.jpg Not a bad way to spend a 43°C summers day: scuba diving enjoying all the scenery on offer. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hmmm ... Y'all need to remember there's only about 308,509,715 of us (as of 11:30 am EST this morning), ... which means there's at least 617,019,430 different opinions on just about any subject you can think of. There's a few people who like having guns around, and there's a few who don't. And there's a few of us who think the RIGHT to have guns is important, even while we don't actually want to have guns around. About the only thing we do agree on is the government is doing something we don't like with our tax money, even if we can't agree on exactly what that something is. Don't make the mistake that the government of the U.S. is the same thing as the people of the U.S. ... although that's what it's supposed to be. Practice doesn't work as well as theory most of the time. From: Tanya Love Well said, Bill! :) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 9:37 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On 18/01/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-) Americans still haven't figured out that freedom doesn't come from a gun barrel. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But I don't want to talk politics. I have photos to take. Mark ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:40 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost And Germany was a secure country until 1939. As an aside Paul, do you think Europe would have been a more secure or less place to live from 1939 to 1945 if Germany had had no guns? I don't have strong feelings one way or another on issues of gun control, but I do know that Europe would have been -- and is -- a much more secure place to live without Hitler. So too, the middle east will ultimately be more secure without Sadaam, whose ambitions, rhetoric and genocidal actions were much akin to those of the German dictator. I only responded to this because you were US-bashing again. But I don't want to talk politics. I have photos to take. Done. Paul William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
On 1/16/2010 5:37 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 17/01/2010, Christianchrist...@skofteland.net wrote:
I originally posted the video with a very detailed account of how to travel
with guns to protect your other valuables like electronics and camera gear.
The guy in the video never mentioned Australia but did mention that he
traveled outside the US with the same techniques. The TSA is not allowed
to, BY LAW, open luggage that has been locked and has the firearms
stickers/documentation all over it. It is up to the check-in counter to
verify what's in the luggage before the passenger locks it. It seems like a
great idea especially when you consider that a flare gun is classified as a
firearm.
Here you need to apply and purchase a permit and also have a safe for
storage etc, I personally wouldn't try to bring any kind of firearm
into Oz.
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/133228/fact_sheet_starting_pistol_permit.pdf
Didn't Australia used to be a free country?
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On 18/01/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On 18/01/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-) Americans still haven't figured out that freedom doesn't come from a gun barrel. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:36 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On 18/01/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-) Americans still haven't figured out that freedom doesn't come from a gun barrel. Sieg Heil! Without the gun barrel, you'd all be goos-stepping. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/01/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Sieg Heil! Without the gun barrel, you'd all be goos-stepping. Our Army has guns, Austrian of course, my brother (ex red beret) says they jam a lot! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_AUG -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 17, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 18/01/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Sieg Heil! Without the gun barrel, you'd all be goos-stepping. Our Army has guns, Good to hear! Austrian of course, my brother (ex red beret) says they jam a lot! Can't have everything. Never trust an Austrian. Wait, I'm an Austrian! (Half anyway:-) Paul http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_AUG -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost Sieg Heil! Without the gun barrel, you'd all be goos-stepping. Well, that thread's done. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 17, 2010, at 7:20 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost Sieg Heil! Without the gun barrel, you'd all be goos-stepping. Well, that thread's done. Har! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/17/2010 6:36 PM, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert
Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
On 18/01/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Didn't Australia used to be a free country?
Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-)
Americans still haven't figured out that freedom doesn't come from a
gun barrel.
William Robb
Freedom comes from the heart, slavery comes from a gun barrel, after
those with heart are all dead.
However I just commenting on the damned form, no society that can demand
that kind of crap from a citizen can pretend to have citizens.
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Well said, Bill! :) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 9:37 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On 18/01/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-) Americans still haven't figured out that freedom doesn't come from a gun barrel. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4780 (20100117) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 17, 2010, at 9:52 PM, Tanya Love wrote: Well said, Bill! :) In truth, it's a cliche. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 9:37 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On 18/01/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-) Americans still haven't figured out that freedom doesn't come from a gun barrel. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4780 (20100117) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost Well said, Bill! :) In truth, it's a cliche. I'm sure that from where you sit, that's all it is, too. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost On 18/01/2010, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Yes, there's a lot of things we're free of ;-) Americans still haven't figured out that freedom doesn't come from a gun barrel. Security sure does. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:08 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Didn't Australia used to be a free country? Only until the English turned up and used it as a prison. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rob Studdert wrote: On 16/01/2010, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Interesting. That website was using the weapon to lock out TSA. I don't think I'd be willing to test the theory outside the USA. I originally posted the video with a very detailed account of how to travel with guns to protect your other valuables like electronics and camera gear. The guy in the video never mentioned Australia but did mention that he traveled outside the US with the same techniques. The TSA is not allowed to, BY LAW, open luggage that has been locked and has the firearms stickers/documentation all over it. It is up to the check-in counter to verify what's in the luggage before the passenger locks it. It seems like a great idea especially when you consider that a flare gun is classified as a firearm. -- Christian http://404mohawknotfound.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17/01/2010, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: I originally posted the video with a very detailed account of how to travel with guns to protect your other valuables like electronics and camera gear. The guy in the video never mentioned Australia but did mention that he traveled outside the US with the same techniques. The TSA is not allowed to, BY LAW, open luggage that has been locked and has the firearms stickers/documentation all over it. It is up to the check-in counter to verify what's in the luggage before the passenger locks it. It seems like a great idea especially when you consider that a flare gun is classified as a firearm. Here you need to apply and purchase a permit and also have a safe for storage etc, I personally wouldn't try to bring any kind of firearm into Oz. http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/133228/fact_sheet_starting_pistol_permit.pdf -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I found this great idea. How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol. You don't even need a real firearm. http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or It can be great for the safety of your photo-gear - if you ever have to check it in. YMMV. Igor Let me know when you're coming through Heathrow with one of those - I want to come and watch. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've always wanted to take 1/2 dozen candles bundled with a ribbon, attach an old fashiond alarm clock on top with more ribbon, box it and take it though security. It's just a gift for my wife. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I found this great idea. How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol. You don't even need a real firearm. http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or It can be great for the safety of your photo-gear - if you ever have to check it in. YMMV. Igor Let me know when you're coming through Heathrow with one of those - I want to come and watch. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost I've always wanted to take 1/2 dozen candles bundled with a ribbon, attach an old fashiond alarm clock on top with more ribbon, box it and take it though security. It's just a gift for my wife. And here I thought you loved her and wanted to spend the rest of your life with her. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:46 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost I've always wanted to take 1/2 dozen candles bundled with a ribbon, attach an old fashiond alarm clock on top with more ribbon, box it and take it though security. It's just a gift for my wife. And here I thought you loved her and wanted to spend the rest of your life with her. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Subject: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost I found this great idea. How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol. You don't even need a real firearm. http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or Sounds good but from experience, I know that any lock can be opened by the TSA - so much for security ! It can be great for the safety of your photo-gear - if you ever have to check it in. YMMV. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken, I don't know if this is the same site, but somebody here posted a site on how to transport guns in your luggage. It was pretty detailed and included your choice of locks that TSA couldn't open. You checked-in at the front counter declaring the gun, showed it as not loaded, and the author used a big metal ammo case with sturdy locks and labels. Apparently anything that shoots a projectile must be declared/transported this way. The author suggested it as a strategy to be able to lock your baggage against TSA search...just throw in a pistol with your cameras and underwear. I'd guess it gets some pretty special handling from the airlines. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Subject: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost I found this great idea. How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol. You don't even need a real firearm. http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or Sounds good but from experience, I know that any lock can be opened by the TSA - so much for security ! It can be great for the safety of your photo-gear - if you ever have to check it in. YMMV. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Ken Waller From: Igor Roshchin I found this great idea. How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol. You don't even need a real firearm. http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or Sounds good but from experience, I know that any lock can be opened by the TSA - so much for security ! I thought the extra security came because the TSA knows there's a weapon in the bag, lock it for you and keep careful track of it. Seems a little tongue in cheekish to me. Just because TSA is going to make sure they know exactly where your bag is doesn't mean the airline will actually manage to get it on the plane with you. But, the TSA will know WHERE your bag got misrouted to. Reminds me of a joke about checked baggage I heard comedian Alan King tell on the Tonight Show years ago. He said something like I flew into LA, but my baggage got a week's vacation in Hawaii. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Sessoms wrote: Reminds me of a joke about checked baggage I heard comedian Alan King tell on the Tonight Show years ago. He said something like I flew into LA, but my baggage got a week's vacation in Hawaii. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGAD1uTR1SY -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob - On my last trip to Alaska in 04, I packed my tripod (in a heavy cardboard tube) in a duffel bag with some clothes. The tripod tube was sealed with body tape (helicopter tape). the duffel was locked with a large padlock. Unpacking in Denali, I noticed the tape was disturbed had been removed reinstalled on the tube, nothing else was out of the ordinary. I called the airline was advised it was most likely opened by the TSA - probably because of the rigid cardboard tube inside. The airline stated the TSA has the ability to open any locked container. The same situation was noted with the duffel upon my return back to Michigan. I again called the airline, to check on the story I had been given previously was again told by the airline that the TSA had the ability to open any locked container. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost Ken, I don't know if this is the same site, but somebody here posted a site on how to transport guns in your luggage. It was pretty detailed and included your choice of locks that TSA couldn't open. You checked-in at the front counter declaring the gun, showed it as not loaded, and the author used a big metal ammo case with sturdy locks and labels. Apparently anything that shoots a projectile must be declared/transported this way. The author suggested it as a strategy to be able to lock your baggage against TSA search...just throw in a pistol with your cameras and underwear. I'd guess it gets some pretty special handling from the airlines. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Subject: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost I found this great idea. How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol. You don't even need a real firearm. http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or Sounds good but from experience, I know that any lock can be opened by the TSA - so much for security ! It can be great for the safety of your photo-gear - if you ever have to check it in. YMMV. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost From: Ken Waller From: Igor Roshchin I found this great idea. How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol. You don't even need a real firearm. http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or Sounds good but from experience, I know that any lock can be opened by the TSA - so much for security ! I thought the extra security came because the TSA knows there's a weapon in the bag, lock it for you and keep careful track of it. Seems a little tongue in cheekish to me. Just because TSA is going to make sure they know exactly where your bag is doesn't mean the airline will actually manage to get it on the plane with you. Also doesn't mean someone @ TSA wouldn't steal from the locked container - a neat way to get a weapon. But, the TSA will know WHERE your bag got misrouted to. Reminds me of a joke about checked baggage I heard comedian Alan King tell on the Tonight Show years ago. He said something like I flew into LA, but my baggage got a week's vacation in Hawaii. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
The TSA has the ability, but when transporting a weapon, if it's been
properly declared, they're not allowed to by law. I don't know about
traveling outside the US.
On 1/15/2010 4:55 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
Bob -
On my last trip to Alaska in 04, I packed my tripod (in a heavy
cardboard tube) in a duffel bag with some clothes. The tripod tube was
sealed with body tape (helicopter tape). the duffel was locked with a
large padlock. Unpacking in Denali, I noticed the tape was disturbed
had been removed reinstalled on the tube, nothing else was out of
the ordinary. I called the airline was advised it was most likely
opened by the TSA - probably because of the rigid cardboard tube
inside. The airline stated the TSA has the ability to open any locked
container.
The same situation was noted with the duffel upon my return back to
Michigan. I again called the airline, to check on the story I had been
given previously was again told by the airline that the TSA had the
ability to open any locked container.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
Ken,
I don't know if this is the same site, but somebody here posted a site
on how to transport guns in your luggage. It was pretty detailed and
included your choice of locks that TSA couldn't open. You checked-in
at the front counter declaring the gun, showed it as not loaded, and
the author used a big metal ammo case with sturdy locks and labels.
Apparently anything that shoots a projectile must be
declared/transported this way. The author suggested it as a strategy
to be able to lock your baggage against TSA search...just throw in a
pistol with your cameras and underwear. I'd guess it gets some pretty
special handling from the airlines.
Regards, Bob S.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com
wrote:
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
- Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org
Subject: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
I found this great idea.
How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol.
You don't even need a real firearm.
http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or
Sounds good but from experience, I know that any lock can be opened
by the
TSA - so much for security !
It can be great for the safety of your photo-gear - if you ever have
to check it in.
YMMV.
Igor
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Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
On 1/15/2010 5:01 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
From: Ken Waller
From: Igor Roshchin
I found this great idea.
How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol.
You don't even need a real firearm.
http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or
Sounds good but from experience, I know that any lock can be opened
by the TSA - so much for security !
I thought the extra security came because the TSA knows there's a
weapon in the bag, lock it for you and keep careful track of it.
Seems a little tongue in cheekish to me. Just because TSA is going to
make sure they know exactly where your bag is doesn't mean the
airline will actually manage to get it on the plane with you.
Also doesn't mean someone @ TSA wouldn't steal from the locked
container - a neat way to get a weapon.
That's the point, they know where it is at all times and who has it.
Stealing it would be a quick route to unemployment and prison since the
number of suspects would be strictly limited.
But, the TSA will know WHERE your bag got misrouted to.
Reminds me of a joke about checked baggage I heard comedian Alan King
tell on the Tonight Show years ago. He said something like I flew
into LA, but my baggage got a week's vacation in Hawaii.
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Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Let me know when you're coming through Heathrow with one of those - I want to come and watch. Don't forget to bring your camera, Bob. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken, Interesting. That website was using the weapon to lock out TSA. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Bob - On my last trip to Alaska in 04, I packed my tripod (in a heavy cardboard tube) in a duffel bag with some clothes. The tripod tube was sealed with body tape (helicopter tape). the duffel was locked with a large padlock. Unpacking in Denali, I noticed the tape was disturbed had been removed reinstalled on the tube, nothing else was out of the ordinary. I called the airline was advised it was most likely opened by the TSA - probably because of the rigid cardboard tube inside. The airline stated the TSA has the ability to open any locked container. The same situation was noted with the duffel upon my return back to Michigan. I again called the airline, to check on the story I had been given previously was again told by the airline that the TSA had the ability to open any locked container. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost Ken, I don't know if this is the same site, but somebody here posted a site on how to transport guns in your luggage. It was pretty detailed and included your choice of locks that TSA couldn't open. You checked-in at the front counter declaring the gun, showed it as not loaded, and the author used a big metal ammo case with sturdy locks and labels. Apparently anything that shoots a projectile must be declared/transported this way. The author suggested it as a strategy to be able to lock your baggage against TSA search...just throw in a pistol with your cameras and underwear. I'd guess it gets some pretty special handling from the airlines. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Subject: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost I found this great idea. How to guarantee your luggage won't be lost? pack a pistol. You don't even need a real firearm. http://bakadesuyo.com/how-to-guarantee-your-luggage-wont-be-lost-or Sounds good but from experience, I know that any lock can be opened by the TSA - so much for security ! It can be great for the safety of your photo-gear - if you ever have to check it in. YMMV. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/01/2010, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Interesting. That website was using the weapon to lock out TSA. I don't think I'd be willing to test the theory outside the USA. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
