Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
I am pretty sure that the best method is going to turn out to be extending the slide farther from the lens, but this will require a custom made rod to mount the slide duplcator to the front of the bellow, and a longer bellows from the slide holder to the lens. It is true, the stem of slide-copier is a little short. A friend will manufacture me longer (20cm, diameter 12.7mm)
Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
Problem is, I don't have the money for a slide scanner. I'm not
satisfied with the pain/time/results from my flatbed scanner. I'm
imagining that this can be done for pennies on the dollar of what a
slide/film scanner is worth.
IL Bill
On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 06:33 AM, Hal & Sandra Davis wrote:
Film/slide scanner. Many out there. Minolta and Nikon have been
pointed out
on this list.
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From: "Bill Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
Possibly,
My own interest in this project is that I have literally hundreds
if
not thousands of slides my dad took (Kodachromes). They are a
treasure
for the family, and I want to find a way to turn them digital to put
them on DVD's along with home movies which I am transfering to digital
also . . .
IL Bill
On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Nick Clark wrote:
I've yet to fathom the need for a slide duplicator for a digital
camera. Isn't a film scanner better?
Nick
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Subject: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
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From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: Slide Dup for *ist D
get a bellows then you have adjustable magnification.
Isn't that easy John.
Trust me on this.
Though I don't hold out much hope for the slide holder 1X K.
William Robb
Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
- Original Message - From: "John Forbes" Subject: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D > Ordinary slide copiers are designed for a camera/sensor with dimensions of > 24x36mm. Anything smaller crops the slide, which is not what you want. > > So far there are no APS slide copiers on the market, and people are having > to use ingenuity. Unfortunately, ingenious inventions of the Heath > Robinson variety may work, but are seldom quick. > I know, I am still trying. I am pretty sure that the best method is going to turn out to be extending the slide farther from the lens, but this will require a custom made rod to mount the slide duplcator to the front of the bellow, and a longer bellows from the slide holder to the lens. Right now, the best method I have found (note this is not the best method) is to mount a close-up filter onto the front of the 77mm. This gives about 50% more crop than the 50mm lens that the system is designed to work with, and the close-up filter allows the thing to focus on the slide within the confines of the equipment dimensions. It's not really great, as the close-up filter adds it's own special quality to the dupe (stopping down helps), but it does allow for rapid slide duping. William Robb
Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
Ordinary slide copiers are designed for a camera/sensor with dimensions of 24x36mm. Anything smaller crops the slide, which is not what you want. So far there are no APS slide copiers on the market, and people are having to use ingenuity. Unfortunately, ingenious inventions of the Heath Robinson variety may work, but are seldom quick. I know, I am still trying. John Incidentally, a laptop screen, turned horizontal and with a white background, makes a passable light box. I haven't tried copying slides from it though, as I doubt if the illumination is even enough. On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:53:01 +0100, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would it be a problem to use an ordenary one? Or would they crop any slide? I have a Kaiser/Soligor f8 with T2 adapter (want to buy it?). It can make crops as well as dubs. I hardly ever use it, since I've got the Pentax Bellows A with the A Slide Copier - and of cource a scanner with film capability (EPSON Perfection 3200 PHOTO). All the best Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Hal & Sandra Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 21. marts 2004 13:33 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D Film/slide scanner. Many out there. Minolta and Nikon have been pointed out on this list. - Original Message - From: "Bill Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D Possibly, My own interest in this project is that I have literally hundreds if not thousands of slides my dad took (Kodachromes). They are a treasure for the family, and I want to find a way to turn them digital to put them on DVD's along with home movies which I am transfering to digital also . . . IL Bill On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Nick Clark wrote: > I've yet to fathom the need for a slide duplicator for a digital > camera. Isn't a film scanner better? > > Nick > > -Original Message- > From: "William Robb"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 19/03/04 03:03:00 > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D > > > - Original Message - > From: "J. C. O'Connell" > Subject: RE: Slide Dup for *ist D > > >> get a bellows then you have adjustable magnification. > > Isn't that easy John. > Trust me on this. > > Though I don't hold out much hope for the slide holder 1X K. > > William Robb > > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
- Original Message - From: "Nick Clark" Subject: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D > I've yet to fathom the need for a slide duplicator for a digital camera. Isn't a film scanner better? Technically, yes, I suppose it is. Practically, if you have a few hundred slides to scan, the camera may be much faster, which is an important consideration. William Robb
Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:54:16 +0100, you wrote: >Due to 1.5x Aps factor, you must have 0.67x magnification for entire >slide copy >I use: >M42 daptor + M42 bellows + 4/100 Macro-Bellow + Slide-Copier Just out of curiosity, I set up a home-brew method, pictured here: http://www.photolin.com/misc/s02.jpg http://www.photolin.com/misc/s01.jpg http://www.photolin.com/misc/s03.jpg It's an *istD with an FA 100/2.8 Macro, a tabletop tripod, a small inexpensive Tundra battery powered backlit slide sorter, a piece of glass taped to the Tundra to make a ledge for the slide to sit on, and, of course, an antique Kodak Tourist camera box (with camera inside) that the sorter leans on to get to the correct angle. So far I have not got this setup down pat. I'm getting poor color, burnt highlights, slides not square, and a few other things that perhaps can be worked out. Here's one of the least-bad ones, shot at 1/50 f3.5, ISO 400: http://www.photolin.com/misc/s04.jpg As far as the mechanics of getting the slides into position and photographed, this setup works just fine. The photo quality is not good enough yet, but I think some improvement would come with a little more experimentation. I suppose any similar 100mm macro lens, or combination of lens+tc+extension approximating a 100 macro at about 1/1.5 magnification, plus some sort of backlight arrangement, could be set up like this and work fine as a slide copier. Earlier this year, I set up a similar arrangement to copy a bunch of old prints of various sizes. I set an empty picture frame on a table, propped upright at about a 60 degree angle, then placed the pics on the ledge of the frame one or two at a time, and fired away. The camera was on a tripod a short distance away, square to the frame. I used flash, bounced off a sidewall, to provide even and predictable lighting, plus a 24-135 zoom so I could fill the frame with every shot without moving the tripod around. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
Possibly,
My own interest in this project is that I have literally hundreds if
not thousands of slides my dad took (Kodachromes). They are a treasure
for the family, and I want to find a way to turn them digital to put
them on DVD's along with home movies which I am transfering to digital
also . . .
IL Bill
On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Nick Clark wrote:
I've yet to fathom the need for a slide duplicator for a digital
camera. Isn't a film scanner better?
Nick
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From: "William Robb"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 19/03/04 03:03:00
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
- Original Message -
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: Slide Dup for *ist D
get a bellows then you have adjustable magnification.
Isn't that easy John.
Trust me on this.
Though I don't hold out much hope for the slide holder 1X K.
William Robb
RE: Slide Dup for *ist D
Nick Clark wrote: > I've yet to fathom the need for a slide duplicator for a > digital camera. Isn't a film scanner better? Yes. If you have one that is. Otherwise a slide duplicator. Malcolm
Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: Slide Dup for *ist D > get a bellows then you have adjustable magnification. Isn't that easy John. Trust me on this. Though I don't hold out much hope for the slide holder 1X K. William Robb
Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
Extension needed is very little. Any more than 12 mm and it racks out of focus . . . On Thursday, March 18, 2004, at 06:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: get a bellows then you have adjustable magnification. jco --- - J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com --- - -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D - Original Message - From: "William M Kane" Subject: Slide Dup for *ist D Hey all, Just received my Slide Holder 1x . K from eBay . . . the seller has more (or at least I saw another listed by him) . . . very nice purchase . . . brand new in the box, it even had the plastic bag around it still! Anyhow, as I am looking through this I'm imagining there is a good chance that this item could be used on the *ist D as a slide copier . . . Basically here's the setup: Camera + 12 mm extension + Reverse Adapter K 52mm + Slide Holder 1x K This gives you a mag of 1.00 on a 35 mm system. Unfortunately we need a lower magnification, and my mind isn't working too well right now . . . I figure we either need a lower mag lens or higher mag lens, but can't get my brain around the reversed lens . . . do we want a 35 mm or an 85 mm lens reversed? I don't have either in the 52 mm filter range . . . So for all you math/lens majors, what lens do we need? I am pretty sure you are going to need a combination of a longer focal length lens, and more lens extension from both the camera and the slide. I still haven't managed a good slide duping system for the ist D, so if you could report on your experimrnts that would be grand. You could probably use a step down ring on the reverse adaptor and take the lens down to 49mm. If there is a bit of vignetting, it isn't going to matter much, as the format will still be inside the projected circle. William Robb William Robb
RE: Slide Dup for *ist D
get a bellows then you have adjustable magnification. jco J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slide Dup for *ist D - Original Message - From: "William M Kane" Subject: Slide Dup for *ist D > Hey all, > > Just received my Slide Holder 1x . K from eBay . . . the seller has > more (or at least I saw another listed by him) . . . very nice purchase > . . . brand new in the box, it even had the plastic bag around it > still! > > Anyhow, as I am looking through this I'm imagining there is a good > chance that this item could be used on the *ist D as a slide copier . . > . Basically here's the setup: > > Camera + 12 mm extension + Reverse Adapter K 52mm + Slide Holder 1x K > > This gives you a mag of 1.00 on a 35 mm system. > > Unfortunately we need a lower magnification, and my mind isn't working > too well right now . . . I figure we either need a lower mag lens or > higher mag lens, but can't get my brain around the reversed lens . . . > do we want a 35 mm or an 85 mm lens reversed? I don't have either in > the 52 mm filter range . . . > > So for all you math/lens majors, what lens do we need? I am pretty sure you are going to need a combination of a longer focal length lens, and more lens extension from both the camera and the slide. I still haven't managed a good slide duping system for the ist D, so if you could report on your experimrnts that would be grand. You could probably use a step down ring on the reverse adaptor and take the lens down to 49mm. If there is a bit of vignetting, it isn't going to matter much, as the format will still be inside the projected circle. William Robb William Robb
Re: Slide Dup for *ist D
- Original Message - From: "William M Kane" Subject: Slide Dup for *ist D > Hey all, > > Just received my Slide Holder 1x . K from eBay . . . the seller has > more (or at least I saw another listed by him) . . . very nice purchase > . . . brand new in the box, it even had the plastic bag around it > still! > > Anyhow, as I am looking through this I'm imagining there is a good > chance that this item could be used on the *ist D as a slide copier . . > . Basically here's the setup: > > Camera + 12 mm extension + Reverse Adapter K 52mm + Slide Holder 1x K > > This gives you a mag of 1.00 on a 35 mm system. > > Unfortunately we need a lower magnification, and my mind isn't working > too well right now . . . I figure we either need a lower mag lens or > higher mag lens, but can't get my brain around the reversed lens . . . > do we want a 35 mm or an 85 mm lens reversed? I don't have either in > the 52 mm filter range . . . > > So for all you math/lens majors, what lens do we need? I am pretty sure you are going to need a combination of a longer focal length lens, and more lens extension from both the camera and the slide. I still haven't managed a good slide duping system for the ist D, so if you could report on your experimrnts that would be grand. You could probably use a step down ring on the reverse adaptor and take the lens down to 49mm. If there is a bit of vignetting, it isn't going to matter much, as the format will still be inside the projected circle. William Robb William Robb
Slide Dup for *ist D
Hey all, Just received my Slide Holder 1x . K from eBay . . . the seller has more (or at least I saw another listed by him) . . . very nice purchase . . . brand new in the box, it even had the plastic bag around it still! Anyhow, as I am looking through this I'm imagining there is a good chance that this item could be used on the *ist D as a slide copier . . . Basically here's the setup: Camera + 12 mm extension + Reverse Adapter K 52mm + Slide Holder 1x K This gives you a mag of 1.00 on a 35 mm system. Unfortunately we need a lower magnification, and my mind isn't working too well right now . . . I figure we either need a lower mag lens or higher mag lens, but can't get my brain around the reversed lens . . . do we want a 35 mm or an 85 mm lens reversed? I don't have either in the 52 mm filter range . . . So for all you math/lens majors, what lens do we need? IL Bill
