Re: PESO That Sorry Caravan

[John]

Usually depends on the subject matter, composition and many other factors. Ithes 
case, I think the color works better.


On 12/31/2019 16:41:34, Larry Colen wrote:

Definitely not a caravansary, I put a bit more effort into processing. Maybe
when I get home I’ll do a pano of the HDRs.
I’m curious about how people feel about color vs black and white
color:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306913492/in/album-72157712449389667/

black and white
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306709046/in/album-72157712449389667/

Full album
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157712449389667




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Re: PESO That Sorry Caravan

[ann sanfedele]

Don't always agree with you about which photo of a subject is the one to 
be "bannered" as it were, but I do this time. I like both the color and BW
and the sorry Rv reminds me of two things.  The one in "Into the Wild"  
and what a ranger told me about the condition Edward Abbey left the trailer
he lived in at Arches back in the sixties (Desert Solitaire) ...though 
neither of those were torn apart inside to the extent yours is..


ann



On 12/31/2019 4:41 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Definitely not a caravansary, I put a bit more effort into processing.  Maybe 
when I get home I’ll do a pano of the HDRs.

I’m curious about how people feel about color vs black and white
color:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306913492/in/album-72157712449389667/

black and white
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306709046/in/album-72157712449389667/

Full album
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157712449389667


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Re: PESO That Sorry Caravan

[lrc]

Thanks, that pretty much echoes my thoughts.

On December 31, 2019 2:03:48 PM PST, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>I prefer the b  The graffiti is clearer and easier to read, and the
>lack
>of color makes to overall image gloomier, which fits the subject.
>
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>On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:42 PM Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>> Definitely not a caravansary, I put a bit more effort into
>processing.
>> Maybe when I get home I’ll do a pano of the HDRs.
>>
>> I’m curious about how people feel about color vs black and white
>> color:
>>
>>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306913492/in/album-72157712449389667/
>>
>> black and white
>>
>>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306709046/in/album-72157712449389667/
>>
>> Full album
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157712449389667
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Re: PESO That Sorry Caravan

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I prefer the b  The graffiti is clearer and easier to read, and the lack
of color makes to overall image gloomier, which fits the subject.

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On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:42 PM Larry Colen  wrote:

> Definitely not a caravansary, I put a bit more effort into processing.
> Maybe when I get home I’ll do a pano of the HDRs.
>
> I’m curious about how people feel about color vs black and white
> color:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306913492/in/album-72157712449389667/
>
> black and white
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306709046/in/album-72157712449389667/
>
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PESO That Sorry Caravan

[Larry Colen]

Definitely not a caravansary, I put a bit more effort into processing.  Maybe 
when I get home I’ll do a pano of the HDRs.

I’m curious about how people feel about color vs black and white
color:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306913492/in/album-72157712449389667/

black and white
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/49306709046/in/album-72157712449389667/

Full album
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Re: PESO: Colorful Bike ooops sorry!

[ann sanfedele]

Dan - didn't mean to send my admonishment to the whole list...
but the woman was clearly upset with you and maybe because she had her 
bike leaning against and blocking a gate..
ironically, its a very nice shot!  The balance of the flowers with 
person walking away work.
 I just feel always that if someone is upset by  my taking a photo I 
show them I've erased it or at least kept in out of public view.


I had trouble trying to view the other shots you took that you posted on 
photonet - finally was able to and the shot you took of Jan smiling at 
me was

a keeper... you can toss the others :-)

ann


On 11/19/2019 8:06 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:
You are leaving out the part where the bike owner specifically asked 
you not to take a photo!


Not a messenger bike... a local having been shopping.  I didn't catch 
the whole exchange but if someone sks me not to

take a photo of something they own I respect it

take it down

ann

On 11/18/2019 10:55 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
While following AnnSan through the streets of the East Village, I 
spotted

this colorful vehicle that belonged to a delivery person who had just
leaned it against a fence while dropping off something inside.

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2019/11/18/messenger 



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Re: Sorry to break the thread

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I see your reply.

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[P. J. Alling]

For some reason the pdml@pdml.net address is being rejected by gmail.  
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G'day all

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Theme: Curves

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Mark, thanks for putting the annuals together these past years. I have always 
enjoyed how creative the volumes are. You have much talent.

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> On 15 January 2019 at 10:52 Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> 
> No problem. I have ten books on my office shelf and will value them greatly
> for the rest of my days.

Same here - a great collection!


> Thanks much for your extraordinary effort  and brilliant work.

Yes indeed.  Your efforts on our behalf is very much appreciated.



Cheers
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> On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:23 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
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> >> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
> >> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
> >> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
> >> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
> >> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
> >> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
> >> greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
> >> through the web site.
> >> 
> >> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
> >> 
> >> Sorry to disappoint.
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Re: Sorry about my absence

[Boris Liberman]

What Mike said.

Mark, this has been an incredible run. It's been a pleasure, an honor, and
indeed a privilege to participate in this endeavor.

My hat's off!

Boris

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Re: Sorry about my absence

[Daniel J. Matyola]

It is of course sad to see the end of the PDML Annuals, but it has been a
marvelous eperience for all of us who participated and benefited from the
project over the year.

You have put in a tremendous amount of work on our behalf each of the past
10 years and, more importantly, an incredible amount of talent and
artistry.  We are all deeply indebted to you and those who worked with you.

I shall treasure the books and the memory of what this group, under your
leadership, has accomplished.

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> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
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> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
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> On 15 January 2019 at 20:02 John  wrote:
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> 
> On 1/14/2019 18:23:47, mike wilson wrote:
> >> On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
> >> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
> >> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
> >> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
> >> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
> >> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
> >> greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
> >> through the web site.
> >>
> >> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
> >>
> >> Sorry to disappoint.
> > 
> > Everybody here owes you nothing but gratitude.
> > 
> 
> I disagree. Mark owes *us* nothing. We, OTOH, owe him more than mere 
> gratitude.
> 
> If someone will point me to an active link, I'll make a donation even in the 
> absence of a book.

You misunderstand my sentiments - but only because they were so badly written.  
I can't find a direct donation page but here's the link for the books.  If 
you're missing one, I think the purchase page includes a link for donations.

https://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/index.htm

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On 1/14/2019 18:23:47, mike wilson wrote:

On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  wrote:


I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
through the web site.

I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.

Sorry to disappoint.


Everybody here owes you nothing but gratitude.



I disagree. Mark owes *us* nothing. We, OTOH, owe him more than mere gratitude.

If someone will point me to an active link, I'll make a donation even in the 
absence of a book.



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Thank you Mark and Y'all! (Was: Re: Sorry about my absence)

[Igor PDML-StR]

Thank you, Mark, for all the hard work, energy and passion you put in
those books in all 10 years!

Also, thanks to the editorial board members, Bill and Scott, at some early 
point, and to Doug for his warm and cuddly forewords with his kind humor!


And kudos to all who contributed their photos over all these years, you, 
fellow PDMLers! I've enjoyed seeing your photos all these years.


Amen!

Igor,
The procrastinator


On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Postmaster wrote:


I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
through the web site.

I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.

Sorry to disappoint.


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Re: Sorry about my absence

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Ten years is a darn good run for any annual! Remember Stuart Brand and the 
Whole Earth Catalog … He felt a first and then a last were really all that were 
necessary for a successful annual. :-)

Thanks for all your effort and hard work, Mark. The quality of the books shows 
your passion and reflects well on all of the contributors. I'm happy to display 
all ten volumes on my bookshelf, and I show them to folks regularly. 

Onwards, always and only onwards!

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> On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Postmaster  wrote:
> 
> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
> greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
> through the web site.
> 
> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
> 
> Sorry to disappoint.


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What Paul said Mark and thanks for the fish.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: Sorry about my absence


No problem. I have ten books on my office shelf and will value them 
greatly for the rest of my days. Thanks much for your extraordinary effort 
and brilliant work.


Paul

On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:23 PM, mike wilson  wrote:

On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  
wrote:



I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
through the web site.

I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.

Sorry to disappoint.


Everybody here owes you nothing but gratitude.



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[Alan C]

Sorry to hear it but thanks for all your efforts, Mark.

Alan C

On 15-Jan-19 01:05 AM, Postmaster wrote:

I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
through the web site.

I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.

Sorry to disappoint.




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Re: Sorry about my absence

[ann sanfedele]

Good point David - hooray for Doug and Wheatfield too!

ann

On 1/14/2019 7:48 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Your time and effort, along with Doug and the others that assisted are
greatly appreciated by us all .

Thanks Mark

Dave

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:11 PM Postmaster  wrote:

I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
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year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
through the web site.

I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.

Sorry to disappoint.

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[ann sanfedele]

Ooops! sorry!
Once again my math fails... but no - I just counted my books and I only 
have 9  - I'm missing 2014!

Dont' even know if I'm missing it totally or mislaid it.  :-(

It's especially funny because I had just been having a long discussion 
on facebook about kids learning math... fessing up that I was terrible 
at it.


ann

On 1/14/2019 7:45 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Hi Ann,
I have 10 pdml annuals, no duplicates; 08/09, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 
18. And hundreds of other books of course. At one time I probably had more than 
a thousand but Ive given many away in anticipation of moving.

BTW, I sent this message twice because it never appeared in my mail.

Paul


On Jan 14, 2019, at 7:20 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Ten book, eh?  hope you have more books than that on your bookshelf . BUT 
unless you have a duplciate of one of the issues, you only have 9 PDML 
Annuals...
2008-2009 was one volume   :-)

Pointing this out mainly for the benefit of more recent listers (aside from 
teasing you a bit :-) )  I remember last year going to my bookcase and counting 
the volumes
to check that very thing, thinking there should have been ten.

ann



On 1/14/2019 6:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
No problem. I have ten books on my office shelf and will value them greatly for 
the rest of my days. Thanks much for your extraordinary effort  and brilliant 
work.

Paul

On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:23 PM, mike wilson  wrote:


On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  wrote:


I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
through the web site.

I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.

Sorry to disappoint.

Everybody here owes you nothing but gratitude.

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Re: Sorry about my absence

[David J Brooks]

Your time and effort, along with Doug and the others that assisted are
greatly appreciated by us all .

Thanks Mark

Dave

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:11 PM Postmaster  wrote:
>
> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
> greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
> through the web site.
>
> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
>
> Sorry to disappoint.
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Re: Sorry about my absence

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Ann,
I have 10 pdml annuals, no duplicates; 08/09, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 
18. And hundreds of other books of course. At one time I probably had more than 
a thousand but Ive given many away in anticipation of moving.

BTW, I sent this message twice because it never appeared in my mail. 

Paul

> On Jan 14, 2019, at 7:20 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Ten book, eh?  hope you have more books than that on your bookshelf . BUT 
> unless you have a duplciate of one of the issues, you only have 9 PDML 
> Annuals...
> 2008-2009 was one volume   :-)
> 
> Pointing this out mainly for the benefit of more recent listers (aside from 
> teasing you a bit :-) )  I remember last year going to my bookcase and 
> counting the volumes
> to check that very thing, thinking there should have been ten.
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 1/14/2019 6:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> No problem. I have ten books on my office shelf and will value them greatly 
>> for the rest of my days. Thanks much for your extraordinary effort  and 
>> brilliant work.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:23 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
>> 
>>>> On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
>>>> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
>>>> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
>>>> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
>>>> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
>>>> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
>>>> greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
>>>> through the web site.
>>>> 
>>>> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry to disappoint.
>>> Everybody here owes you nothing but gratitude.
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Re: Sorry about my absence

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Mark,

Good to hear from you. I have ten books on my office shelf and will value them 
greatly for the rest of my days. Thanks much for your extraordinary effort and 
brilliant work.

Paul

> On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Postmaster  wrote:
> 
> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
> greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
> through the web site.
> 
> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
> 
> Sorry to disappoint.
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Re: Sorry about my absence

[ann sanfedele]

Ten book, eh?  hope you have more books than that on your bookshelf . 
BUT unless you have a duplciate of one of the issues, you only have 9 
PDML Annuals...

2008-2009 was one volume   :-)

Pointing this out mainly for the benefit of more recent listers (aside 
from teasing you a bit :-) )  I remember last year going to my bookcase 
and counting the volumes

to check that very thing, thinking there should have been ten.

ann


On 1/14/2019 6:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

No problem. I have ten books on my office shelf and will value them greatly for 
the rest of my days. Thanks much for your extraordinary effort  and brilliant 
work.

Paul

On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:23 PM, mike wilson  wrote:


On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  wrote:


I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
through the web site.

I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.

Sorry to disappoint.

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Re: Sorry about my absence

[Paul Stenquist]

No problem. I have ten books on my office shelf and will value them greatly for 
the rest of my days. Thanks much for your extraordinary effort  and brilliant 
work.

Paul

On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:23 PM, mike wilson  wrote:

>> On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
>> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
>> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
>> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
>> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
>> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
>> greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
>> through the web site.
>> 
>> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
>> 
>> Sorry to disappoint.
> 
> Everybody here owes you nothing but gratitude.
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Re: Sorry about my absence

[Stan Halpin]

You set a very high standard, it would be hard for anyone else to step in! So 
let’s just flog sales of the 10-Volume PDML Masterworks and see  if we can’t 
fill the funding gap that way for now. 

Since we are now easing our way into the 21st Century and all things digital 
seem to be the rage, I may have a suggestion for an alternative forum. I’ll 
think about the details and get back with something concrete, real soon now.

Meanwhile, Thanks Mark!

stan

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On Jan 14, 2019, at 6:23 PM, mike wilson  wrote:

>> On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
>> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
>> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
>> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
>> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
>> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
>> greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
>> through the web site.
>> 
>> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
>> 
>> Sorry to disappoint.
> 
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Re: Sorry about my absence

[ann sanfedele]

What Mike said  -  and -- Glad your unusual busy-ness is all that has 
kept you from us  -
I can't imagine how you managed to get them out with all the other stuff 
you do over the last ten years!


Hugs with relief,
ann

On 1/14/2019 6:23 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  wrote:


I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
through the web site.

I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.

Sorry to disappoint.

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Re: Sorry about my absence

[mike wilson]

> On 14 January 2019 at 23:05 Postmaster  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
> line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
> year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
> for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
> Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
> book's" annual donation myself for quite a few years now (though I
> greatly appreciate the contributions of those who've extra donations
> through the web site.
> 
> I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.
> 
> Sorry to disappoint.

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Sorry about my absence

[Postmaster]

I've been unusually busy for a while (nothing bad) so I've been off
line more than usual and I've decided I can't do the Photo Annual this
year. Participation and, more critically, sales, has been declining
for some time and I can't really justify the time and money.
Especially the money - I've been making up the major part of "the
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I think the 10-year run was pretty damn good, though.

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Re: PESO - Sorry, Frank

[ann sanfedele]

I see him on facebook

ann

On 1/18/2017 9:16 PM, Gonz wrote:

Where is Knarf these days anyways?


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

In Lisbon, we walked a couple of kilometers along this lovely bike path.

No bicycles were to be seen.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18333412

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Re: PESO - Sorry, Frank

[Rick Womer]

Posting a fair amount on Facebook, but not here on a while. I may send him
a message tomorrow.

Rick

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Re: PESO - Sorry, Frank

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Where is Knarf these days anyways?


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PESO - Sorry, Frank

[Rick Womer]

In Lisbon, we walked a couple of kilometers along this lovely bike path.

No bicycles were to be seen.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18333412

(K-5, DA 16-45)

Rick





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OT _ sorry about that voting thing Kids...

[ann sanfedele]

Especially since I probably could have used those votes LOL

next time I'll send out the alert when it STARTS...

YOur thoughts were much appreciated though!

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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[Attila Boros]

Exactly what I was going to say, but Brian said it already.


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:03 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Quoting Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com:

 I don't think they are pornographic, but I don't think they are
 tasteful or artistic either.



 I saw these a couple of days ago on Peta Pixel.  I don't think they are
 pornographic either but if the father didn't realise that posting them on
 social media wouldn't draw the reaction it did, he is the most naive person
 I've yet come across.

 I reckon he fully expected the reaction and was deliberately trying to
 provoke the sickos out there.  But I don't think his daughter will thank him
 in years to come.



 Cheers

 Brian

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 Brian Walters
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 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:


 Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his
 two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip, photographing
 their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets and cornfields and,
 of
 course, Stella, often donning one of most two-year-old girls' two
 favorite
 ensembles: a princess dress and nothing at all.

 In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a hyper
 puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on Neumann's
 images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images perverse,
 sick
 and pornographic, members of the group attempted to remove all traces
 of
 them from the web. They successfully prompted Facebook and Instagram to
 shut
 down his accounts, and they criticized his artist website as well. While
 Neumann claims he was open to others expressing their opinions about his
 work, the forced censorship went too far.

 And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html

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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[Bill]

On 24/08/2014 11:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:

I always wonder exactly what is going on in the heads of people who
sexualize very young children and then pretend someone else is doing
something wrong.
Neumann is an idiot if he didn't expect some mentally unstable portion
of the population of the USA to react just as they did , the people
who are seeing his daughter as an object of sexuality are sick minded,
fucked up whack jobs.


Kind of like the people that don't expect people to get upset when they
let their children go play at the park unsupervised.

Whatever you think about Neumann, what some people would see as a cute
kid taking a bath photo, other people see as child pornography. As
photographers, we need to be aware of other people pushing their agendas
on other people.  A few months ago, someone got upset at one of my
pictures that she described as pornographic.  It was a fully clothed
woman, holding her boyfriend from behind, with her hands on his bare chest.



Good art has always provoked a rather visceral reaction in the viewer. 
Judging from the reaction of some of the people who hunted him down just 
to bitch about his pictures, his work must be right up there with some 
of the best art ever created.
I don't get his work, but I've always been somewhat of a plebeian, 
uneducated in the finer points of culture.


bill

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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[Ken Waller]

Ditto !

Couldn't have said it better.

-Original Message-
From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I feel sorry for your children

I always wonder exactly what is going on in the heads of people who 
sexualize very young children and then pretend someone else is doing 
something wrong.
Neumann is an idiot if he didn't expect some mentally unstable portion 
of the population of the USA to react just as they did , the people who 
are seeing his daughter as an object of sexuality are sick minded, 
fucked up whack jobs.

bill




On 24/08/2014 4:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his
 two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip, photographing
 their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets and cornfields
 and, of course, Stella, often donning one of most two-year-old girls'
 two favorite ensembles: a princess dress and nothing at all.

 In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a hyper
 puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on
 Neumann's images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images
 perverse, sick and pornographic, members of the group attempted to
 remove all traces of them from the web. They successfully prompted
 Facebook and Instagram to shut down his accounts, and they criticized
 his artist website as well. While Neumann claims he was open to others
 expressing their opinions about his work, the forced censorship went
 too far.

 And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html


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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[P.J. Alling]

There are bluenoses everywhere.  Naked chile photos are a tradition that 
goes back to the Victorian era. The extreme politically correct and the 
the over the top religious of a number of religions will find the naked 
photos objectionable, and in some jurisdictions prosecutable.  The 
photos of the little girl are not pornographic, but they aren't anything 
I'd show. They look more like snapshots designed to embarrass her in 
front of future dates.


On 8/24/2014 6:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his 
two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip, 
photographing their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets 
and cornfields and, of course, Stella, often donning one of most 
two-year-old girls' two favorite ensembles: a princess dress and 
nothing at all.


In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a 
hyper puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on 
Neumann's images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images 
perverse, sick and pornographic, members of the group attempted 
to remove all traces of them from the web. They successfully prompted 
Facebook and Instagram to shut down his accounts, and they criticized 
his artist website as well. While Neumann claims he was open to others 
expressing their opinions about his work, the forced censorship went 
too far.


And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html




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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[P.J. Alling]

On 8/25/2014 9:25 AM, Bill wrote:

On 24/08/2014 11:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:

I always wonder exactly what is going on in the heads of people who
sexualize very young children and then pretend someone else is doing
something wrong.
Neumann is an idiot if he didn't expect some mentally unstable portion
of the population of the USA to react just as they did , the people
who are seeing his daughter as an object of sexuality are sick minded,
fucked up whack jobs.


Kind of like the people that don't expect people to get upset when they
let their children go play at the park unsupervised.

Whatever you think about Neumann, what some people would see as a cute
kid taking a bath photo, other people see as child pornography. As
photographers, we need to be aware of other people pushing their agendas
on other people.  A few months ago, someone got upset at one of my
pictures that she described as pornographic.  It was a fully clothed
woman, holding her boyfriend from behind, with her hands on his bare 
chest.




Good art has always provoked a rather visceral reaction in the viewer. 
Judging from the reaction of some of the people who hunted him down 
just to bitch about his pictures, his work must be right up there with 
some of the best art ever created.
I don't get his work, but I've always been somewhat of a plebeian, 
uneducated in the finer points of culture.


bill

Bill don't worry that you don't get his work.  You're looking for 
something that isn't there...


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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[Bill]

On 25/08/2014 10:17 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 8/25/2014 9:25 AM, Bill wrote:

On 24/08/2014 11:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:

I always wonder exactly what is going on in the heads of people who
sexualize very young children and then pretend someone else is doing
something wrong.
Neumann is an idiot if he didn't expect some mentally unstable portion
of the population of the USA to react just as they did , the people
who are seeing his daughter as an object of sexuality are sick minded,
fucked up whack jobs.


Kind of like the people that don't expect people to get upset when they
let their children go play at the park unsupervised.

Whatever you think about Neumann, what some people would see as a cute
kid taking a bath photo, other people see as child pornography. As
photographers, we need to be aware of other people pushing their agendas
on other people.  A few months ago, someone got upset at one of my
pictures that she described as pornographic.  It was a fully clothed
woman, holding her boyfriend from behind, with her hands on his bare
chest.



Good art has always provoked a rather visceral reaction in the viewer.
Judging from the reaction of some of the people who hunted him down
just to bitch about his pictures, his work must be right up there with
some of the best art ever created.
I don't get his work, but I've always been somewhat of a plebeian,
uneducated in the finer points of culture.

bill


Bill don't worry that you don't get his work.  You're looking for
something that isn't there...



To be completely honest, I didn't look very hard. If I'm going to look 
at pictures of nekkid wimmen, I set the bar a little higher (they have 
to be wimmen).


bill

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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[John]

Had to deal with shit like that when I was running the mini-lab.

Had a woman come in with one of those disposable cameras. The film had 
two toddlers in diapers playing in the sprinkler  a wading pool. The 
inevitable result of toddlers in water-logged diapers happened before 
she got to the end of the roll. Nothing pornographic, just two kids 
splashing in a plastic blow up pool where they've lost their diapers in 
the last three or four frames.


But one of my nutcase co-workers got all upset  went to store 
management when I told her not to call the police on the woman.


On 8/25/2014 12:15 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

There are bluenoses everywhere.  Naked chile photos are a tradition that
goes back to the Victorian era. The extreme politically correct and the
the over the top religious of a number of religions will find the naked
photos objectionable, and in some jurisdictions prosecutable.  The
photos of the little girl are not pornographic, but they aren't anything
I'd show. They look more like snapshots designed to embarrass her in
front of future dates.

On 8/24/2014 6:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his
two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip,
photographing their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets
and cornfields and, of course, Stella, often donning one of most
two-year-old girls' two favorite ensembles: a princess dress and
nothing at all.

In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a
hyper puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on
Neumann's images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images
perverse, sick and pornographic, members of the group attempted
to remove all traces of them from the web. They successfully prompted
Facebook and Instagram to shut down his accounts, and they criticized
his artist website as well. While Neumann claims he was open to others
expressing their opinions about his work, the forced censorship went
too far.

And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html






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I feel sorry for your children

[Larry Colen]

Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his 
two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip, photographing 
their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets and cornfields 
and, of course, Stella, often donning one of most two-year-old girls' 
two favorite ensembles: a princess dress and nothing at all.


In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a hyper 
puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on 
Neumann's images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images 
perverse, sick and pornographic, members of the group attempted to 
remove all traces of them from the web. They successfully prompted 
Facebook and Instagram to shut down his accounts, and they criticized 
his artist website as well. While Neumann claims he was open to others 
expressing their opinions about his work, the forced censorship went 
too far.


And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html

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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I don't think they are pornographic, but I don't think they are
tasteful or artistic either.
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http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his
 two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip, photographing
 their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets and cornfields and, of
 course, Stella, often donning one of most two-year-old girls' two favorite
 ensembles: a princess dress and nothing at all.

 In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a hyper
 puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on Neumann's
 images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images perverse, sick
 and pornographic, members of the group attempted to remove all traces of
 them from the web. They successfully prompted Facebook and Instagram to shut
 down his accounts, and they criticized his artist website as well. While
 Neumann claims he was open to others expressing their opinions about his
 work, the forced censorship went too far.

 And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html

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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[John]

Who I feel sorry for is the children of the sick fucks who find prurient 
interest in his photos. They're likely to grow up into narrow minded 
warped assholes just like their parents.


On 8/24/2014 6:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his
two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip, photographing
their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets and cornfields
and, of course, Stella, often donning one of most two-year-old girls'
two favorite ensembles: a princess dress and nothing at all.

In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a hyper
puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on
Neumann's images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images
perverse, sick and pornographic, members of the group attempted to
remove all traces of them from the web. They successfully prompted
Facebook and Instagram to shut down his accounts, and they criticized
his artist website as well. While Neumann claims he was open to others
expressing their opinions about his work, the forced censorship went
too far.

And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html



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Re: I feel sorry for your children

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Quoting Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com:


I don't think they are pornographic, but I don't think they are
tasteful or artistic either.



I saw these a couple of days ago on Peta Pixel.  I don't think they  
are pornographic either but if the father didn't realise that posting  
them on social media wouldn't draw the reaction it did, he is the most  
naive person I've yet come across.


I reckon he fully expected the reaction and was deliberately trying to  
provoke the sickos out there.  But I don't think his daughter will  
thank him in years to come.




Cheers

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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:


Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his
two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip, photographing
their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets and cornfields and, of
course, Stella, often donning one of most two-year-old girls' two favorite
ensembles: a princess dress and nothing at all.

In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a hyper
puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on Neumann's
images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images perverse, sick
and pornographic, members of the group attempted to remove all traces of
them from the web. They successfully prompted Facebook and Instagram to shut
down his accounts, and they criticized his artist website as well. While
Neumann claims he was open to others expressing their opinions about his
work, the forced censorship went too far.

And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html

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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[Jack Davis]

What Dan said. Plus, somewhat sick.

Jack

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I don't think they are pornographic, but I don't think they are
tasteful or artistic either.
Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his
 two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip, photographing
 their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets and cornfields and, of
 course, Stella, often donning one of most two-year-old girls' two favorite
 ensembles: a princess dress and nothing at all.

 In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a hyper
 puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on Neumann's
 images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images perverse, sick
 and pornographic, members of the group attempted to remove all traces of
 them from the web. They successfully prompted Facebook and Instagram to shut
 down his accounts, and they criticized his artist website as well. While
 Neumann claims he was open to others expressing their opinions about his
 work, the forced censorship went too far.

 And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html

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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[Bill]

I always wonder exactly what is going on in the heads of people who 
sexualize very young children and then pretend someone else is doing 
something wrong.
Neumann is an idiot if he didn't expect some mentally unstable portion 
of the population of the USA to react just as they did , the people who 
are seeing his daughter as an object of sexuality are sick minded, 
fucked up whack jobs.


bill




On 24/08/2014 4:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


Wyatt Neumann is a photographer and a father. In 2014 he took his
two-year-old daughter Stella on a cross-country road trip, photographing
their journey along the way. Neumann captured sunsets and cornfields
and, of course, Stella, often donning one of most two-year-old girls'
two favorite ensembles: a princess dress and nothing at all.

In the middle of the trip, what the Safari Gallery describes as a hyper
puritanical, neo-conservative group launched a cyber-attack on
Neumann's images, specifically those of Stella. Calling the images
perverse, sick and pornographic, members of the group attempted to
remove all traces of them from the web. They successfully prompted
Facebook and Instagram to shut down his accounts, and they criticized
his artist website as well. While Neumann claims he was open to others
expressing their opinions about his work, the forced censorship went
too far.

And so on.  Text and some pictures at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/wyatt-neumann_n_5683243.html




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Re: I feel sorry for your children

[Larry Colen]

Bill wrote:
I always wonder exactly what is going on in the heads of people who 
sexualize very young children and then pretend someone else is doing 
something wrong.
Neumann is an idiot if he didn't expect some mentally unstable portion 
of the population of the USA to react just as they did , the people 
who are seeing his daughter as an object of sexuality are sick minded, 
fucked up whack jobs.


Kind of like the people that don't expect people to get upset when they let 
their children go play at the park unsupervised.

Whatever you think about Neumann, what some people would see as a cute kid taking a 
bath photo, other people see as child pornography. As photographers, we need to be 
aware of other people pushing their agendas on other people.  A few months ago, someone 
got upset at one of my pictures that she described as pornographic.  It was a fully 
clothed woman, holding her boyfriend from behind, with her hands on his bare chest.

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Re: PESO - Sorry We're Closed

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Hi Christine,

A *very* belated thanks for your comments and taking the time to look at my 
other stuff. Much appreciated.

   -Marco


On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:47 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 Hi Marco:  I think this one is a bit cluttered, but I did have a look at some 
 of your other work on your page, and you have some nice stuff there.  I 
 really liked the gallery Contract Seating.  Lots of fun there.  Also, the 
 street portrait of the Asian man was very striking.  Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 
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 http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo13/peso4.html
 
 Comments, as always, welcomed.
 


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Re: PESO - Sorry We're Closed

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Hi Marco:  I think this one is a bit cluttered, but I did have a look at some 
of your other work on your page, and you have some nice stuff there.  I really 
liked the gallery Contract Seating.  Lots of fun there.  Also, the street 
portrait of the Asian man was very striking.  Cheers, Christine




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On Thu, Jun 06, 2013, Marco Alpert wrote:

 http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo13/peso4.html
 
 Comments, as always, welcomed.

As with the dog walker picture, this needs tighter cropping to align
with the title you've given it.  OTOH, this is a perfectly fine street
shot if you're not trying to emphasize the sign (a bit busy, but that's
often the case with environmental street shots -- you're trying to
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Re: OT - Sorry Leica, what a waste!!!

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Hey, it's a me-too Sony...

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PESO - Sorry We're Closed

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You too?. ;)

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My d800 seemd to do the trick.

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Re: Sorry, everyone

[Ann Sanfedele]

Who brought the wet noodles to beat him up with btw?

ann

On 2/7/2012 17:42, David J Brooks wrote:

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com  wrote:

Oh.  We all bought new computers to fix the problem.


My d800 seemd to do the trick.

Dave


On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com  wrote:

You too?. ;)

Jack


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Subject: Sorry, everyone

Lost track of the date and forgot to pay the bill. My bad.

We seem to be back and bad as ever.

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Re: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

[Tom C]

Amusing and a nice shot with good eyelights, Jack.

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=615

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Re: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Tom! Yeah, eye catch light adds life.

Jack
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

Amusing and a nice shot with good eyelights, Jack.

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=615

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Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

[Jack Davis]

--- On Sun, 8/21/11, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 Subject: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 6:39 AM
 Adult Scrub Jay greeting the morning
 sun after a rough night.
 Teetering on the back fence.
 
 Jack
 
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Re: Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

[Ann Sanfedele]

OH there it is!
bad feather day indeed... I'd worry that was illness produced. Maybe 
someone will enlighten us on that score.  (Unless he is just getting 
winter plummage gradually - seems a bit early though.)


ann

On 8/21/2011 09:41, Jack Davis wrote:



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From: Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com
Subject: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 6:39 AM
Adult Scrub Jay greeting the morning
sun after a rough night.
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Jack

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Re: Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

[Jack Davis]

Probably hung over from eating  fermented cherries. 

Jack
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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

OH there it is!
bad feather day indeed... I'd worry that was illness produced. Maybe 
someone will enlighten us on that score.  (Unless he is just getting 
winter plummage gradually - seems a bit early though.)

ann

On 8/21/2011 09:41, Jack Davis wrote:


 --- On Sun, 8/21/11, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 From: Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com
 Subject: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 6:39 AM
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Re: Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

[David J Brooks]

Very nice and beautiful plumage:-)

Dave

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 --- On Sun, 8/21/11, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
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 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
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Re: Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

[Jack Davis]

It reminds me of a favorite line by western singer and '70's TV personality, 
Ernie Ford; I feel like I've been pulled backwards through a knot hole.
 
Jack
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Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

Very nice and beautiful plumage:-)

Dave

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 --- On Sun, 8/21/11, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

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 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 6:39 AM
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Re: Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

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That's a very disreputable looking bird.

On 8/21/2011 9:41 AM, Jack Davis wrote:


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From: Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com
Subject: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 6:39 AM
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Re: Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

[Jack Davis]

Yeah, I didn't like his hanging around our house. The neighbors 'ya know.

Jack ;)
 
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Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day (ID 615 - Sorry)

That's a very disreputable looking bird.

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 --- On Sun, 8/21/11, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 From: Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com
 Subject: PESO: Having a Bad Feather Day
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, August 21, 2011, 6:39 AM
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Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered (with, workinglink; sorry about that)

[John Sessoms]

Some of the things I've read about her indicates she was a grumpy, 
reclusive old lady.


I like her more already.


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Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered (with, workinglink; sorry about that)

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This was taking care of a friend's mom who was eventually hospitalized.
The mom was grumpy and Vivian was too - a perfect fit.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 Some of the things I've read about her indicates she was a grumpy, reclusive
 old lady.

 I like her more already.


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Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered (with working link; sorry about that)

[Steven Desjardins]

I may wonder about the hype surrounding Vivian Maier, but whenever I
actually see her work that goes away.  Back story aside, she was
simply a very fine photographer and left us an amazing and vast
photographic essay of Chicago as a legacy.

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Christine et al,
 I found out tonight that Vivian Maier spent 3 years in Downers Grove,
 Illinois about .2 miles due south of my home.
 (In the condos that back up to the Jewel Food store on Ogden Avenue.)
 She was the care giver for a friend's elderly mother, and a reportedly
 grumpy customer.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Christine  Aguila
 cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:
 http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?p=42,8,80pid=A1hO97qcWo7ViDL_rWniVH2LakYxNa7J


 - Original Message - From: Christine Aguila
 cagu...@earthlink.net
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:02 PM
 Subject: Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered


 Thanks for posting, Paul.  I had heard a little bit about this a while
 back.

 Here's the link to a 9 minute piece on  Maier on Chicago Tonight, which
 ran on WTTW, channel 11 here in Chicago.  I just watched it; it's
 fascinating. The 1st American exhibition of her work will open in early
 January here in Chicago at the Cultural Center.  I'll attend and provide a
 report back for PDML.  Given the size of Maier's archive  its subject
 matter, the Department of Cultural Affairs in Chicago really should help
 with this project in a major way, and it seems to be doing what it can, but
 every art department in the city is strapped for money.  It will be
 interesting to see what the city continues to do for this lovely and
 important work.

 http://www.wttw.com/main.tafp=42,8,80pid=A1hO97qcWo7ViDL_rWniVH2LakYxNa7J

 Thanks again, Paul. Cheers, Christine


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Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered (with workinglink; sorry about that)

[Christine Aguila]

Cool!  John Maloof is doing a documentary on Maier, so we'll probably learn 
a lot more of her. There was a video crew at her opening reception and I 
know they were taping for the documentary.  Cheers, Christine




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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered (with 
workinglink; sorry about that)



Christine et al,
I found out tonight that Vivian Maier spent 3 years in Downers Grove,
Illinois about .2 miles due south of my home.
(In the condos that back up to the Jewel Food store on Ogden Avenue.)
She was the care giver for a friend's elderly mother, and a reportedly
grumpy customer.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Christine  Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:

http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?p=42,8,80pid=A1hO97qcWo7ViDL_rWniVH2LakYxNa7J


- Original Message - From: Christine Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered



Thanks for posting, Paul. I had heard a little bit about this a while
back.

Here's the link to a 9 minute piece on Maier on Chicago Tonight, which
ran on WTTW, channel 11 here in Chicago. I just watched it; it's
fascinating. The 1st American exhibition of her work will open in early
January here in Chicago at the Cultural Center. I'll attend and provide a
report back for PDML. Given the size of Maier's archive  its subject
matter, the Department of Cultural Affairs in Chicago really should help
with this project in a major way, and it seems to be doing what it can, 
but

every art department in the city is strapped for money. It will be
interesting to see what the city continues to do for this lovely and
important work.

http://www.wttw.com/main.tafp=42,8,80pid=A1hO97qcWo7ViDL_rWniVH2LakYxNa7J

Thanks again, Paul. Cheers, Christine



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Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered (with working link; sorry about that)

[Bob Sullivan]

Christine et al,
I found out tonight that Vivian Maier spent 3 years in Downers Grove,
Illinois about .2 miles due south of my home.
(In the condos that back up to the Jewel Food store on Ogden Avenue.)
She was the care giver for a friend's elderly mother, and a reportedly
grumpy customer.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Christine  Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:
 http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?p=42,8,80pid=A1hO97qcWo7ViDL_rWniVH2LakYxNa7J


 - Original Message - From: Christine Aguila
 cagu...@earthlink.net
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:02 PM
 Subject: Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered


 Thanks for posting, Paul.  I had heard a little bit about this a while
 back.

 Here's the link to a 9 minute piece on  Maier on Chicago Tonight, which
 ran on WTTW, channel 11 here in Chicago.  I just watched it; it's
 fascinating. The 1st American exhibition of her work will open in early
 January here in Chicago at the Cultural Center.  I'll attend and provide a
 report back for PDML.  Given the size of Maier's archive  its subject
 matter, the Department of Cultural Affairs in Chicago really should help
 with this project in a major way, and it seems to be doing what it can, but
 every art department in the city is strapped for money.  It will be
 interesting to see what the city continues to do for this lovely and
 important work.

 http://www.wttw.com/main.tafp=42,8,80pid=A1hO97qcWo7ViDL_rWniVH2LakYxNa7J

 Thanks again, Paul. Cheers, Christine


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Re: Sorry about that

[P. J. Alling]

I was busy and didn't notice a thing.

On 3/10/2011 6:08 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
My bad. I got things fouled up on my end, but we're back up and 
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Carry on.

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Re: Sorry about that

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:10 -0500, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
  My bad. I got things fouled up on my end, but we're back up and running
  again.
 
  Carry on.
 
  Doug

 Could this explain why several of my peso replies bounced back??



 No - as a group we've decided to reject your posts. Weren't you told?

Told what.

Dave
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Sorry about that

[Doug Brewer]

My bad. I got things fouled up on my end, but we're back up and running 
again.


Carry on.

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Re: Sorry about that

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 My bad. I got things fouled up on my end, but we're back up and running
 again.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but I accept your apology anyway.


 Carry on.

I will.

cheers,
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Re: Sorry about that

[Toralf Lund]

On 11/03/2011 00:22, frank theriault wrote:

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Doug Brewerd...@alphoto.com  wrote:

My bad. I got things fouled up on my end, but we're back up and running
again.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but I accept your apology anyway.

It wasn't possible to post to the list for a bit, I believe...

- T

Carry on.

I will.

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Re: Sorry about that

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:

 It wasn't possible to post to the list for a bit, I believe...

I figured as much.

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Re: Sorry about that

[Toralf Lund]

On 11/03/2011 00:39, frank theriault wrote:

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net  wrote:


It wasn't possible to post to the list for a bit, I believe...

I figured as much.

Yeah, I suppose it was pretty obvious...

- Toralf

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Re: Sorry about that

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 My bad. I got things fouled up on my end, but we're back up and running
 again.

 Carry on.

 Doug

Could this explain why several of my peso replies bounced back??

??

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Re: Sorry about that

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On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:10 -0500, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
wrote:
 On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
  My bad. I got things fouled up on my end, but we're back up and running
  again.
 
  Carry on.
 
  Doug
 
 Could this explain why several of my peso replies bounced back??
 


No - as a group we've decided to reject your posts. Weren't you told?
...



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Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered (with working link; sorry about that)

[Christine Aguila]

http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?p=42,8,80pid=A1hO97qcWo7ViDL_rWniVH2LakYxNa7J


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Subject: Re: Vivian Maier, a street photographer discovered


Thanks for posting, Paul.  I had heard a little bit about this a while 
back.


Here's the link to a 9 minute piece on  Maier on Chicago Tonight, which 
ran on WTTW, channel 11 here in Chicago.  I just watched it; it's 
fascinating. The 1st American exhibition of her work will open in early 
January here in Chicago at the Cultural Center.  I'll attend and provide a 
report back for PDML.  Given the size of Maier's archive  its subject 
matter, the Department of Cultural Affairs in Chicago really should help 
with this project in a major way, and it seems to be doing what it can, 
but every art department in the city is strapped for money.  It will be 
interesting to see what the city continues to do for this lovely and 
important work.

http://www.wttw.com/main.tafp=42,8,80pid=A1hO97qcWo7ViDL_rWniVH2LakYxNa7J

Thanks again, Paul. Cheers, Christine



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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[P. J. Alling]

It's like Tulsa OK and New Haven CT arguing over who invented the 
Hamburger, except that similar sandwiches were being made all over the 
US at about the same time.


On 12/2/2010 11:48 PM, David Mann wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482

Sorry just had to mention :)

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RE: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[Bob W]

I think the clue's in the name...


 It's like Tulsa OK and New Haven CT arguing over who invented 
 the Hamburger, except that similar sandwiches were being made 
 all over the US at about the same time.
 
 On 12/2/2010 11:48 PM, David Mann wrote:
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482
 
  Sorry just had to mention :)


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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

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Mixed bag there.  The Confectionery violated that neutrality in 1861, 
(as if a State could remain a part of the Union and be neutral, I can't 
think of any theory of law under the Constitution as it was even then 
understood where that was legal).  Kentucky organized a number of 
military units which fought with both sides, and the official elected 
Government was decidedly pro-Union.  The Confederates also set up 
competing State government after their invasion loyal to the South which 
was admitted to the Confederacy on Dec 10 1861.


On 12/3/2010 3:02 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Good catch, Igor.

Kentucky declared neutrality, and didn't join in with Union forces 
during the war.


-- Walt

On 12/3/2010 1:54 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

Walter,

I may have misunderstood you, but what happened with KY on June 1, 1792?
Probably you are talking about _re_joining...
Since KY never seceded, it didn't have to (re-!)join.

Am I missing something?

Igor


Fri Dec 3 10:47:53 CST 2010
Walter Gilbert wrote:


   This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US
between Kentucky and Illinois.  Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky,
but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois.  Illinois
claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log
cabin birthplace here in Kentucky.

Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the
Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never 
officially

seceded from, nor joined, the Union.  Thus concludes today's Moment of
Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert.

-- Walt









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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[Paul Sorenson]

While it was actually invented in Seymour, WI.

-p

On 12/5/2010 2:19 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
It's like Tulsa OK and New Haven CT arguing over who invented the 
Hamburger, except that similar sandwiches were being made all over the 
US at about the same time.


On 12/2/2010 11:48 PM, David Mann wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482

Sorry just had to mention :)

Cheers,
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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[Igor Roshchin]

Walter, 

I may have misunderstood you, but what happened with KY on June 1, 1792?
Probably you are talking about _re_joining...
Since KY never seceded, it didn't have to (re-!)join.

Am I missing something?

Igor


Fri Dec 3 10:47:53 CST 2010
Walter Gilbert wrote:

   This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US 
 between Kentucky and Illinois.  Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, 
 but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois.  Illinois 
 claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log 
 cabin birthplace here in Kentucky.
 
 Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the 
 Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially 
 seceded from, nor joined, the Union.  Thus concludes today's Moment of 
 Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert.
 
 -- Walt



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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[Walter Gilbert]

  Good catch, Igor.

Kentucky declared neutrality, and didn't join in with Union forces 
during the war.


-- Walt

On 12/3/2010 1:54 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

Walter,

I may have misunderstood you, but what happened with KY on June 1, 1792?
Probably you are talking about _re_joining...
Since KY never seceded, it didn't have to (re-!)join.

Am I missing something?

Igor


Fri Dec 3 10:47:53 CST 2010
Walter Gilbert wrote:


   This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US
between Kentucky and Illinois.  Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky,
but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois.  Illinois
claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log
cabin birthplace here in Kentucky.

Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the
Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially
seceded from, nor joined, the Union.  Thus concludes today's Moment of
Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert.

-- Walt






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RE: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[Bob W]

 When we were in Sydney, - we were unable to find pavlova to taste.
 (despite Rob's rigorous attempts to find a place that sells/serves it)
 
 I should mention that we couldn't taste kangaroo meet either...
 
 ... so I might conclude neither exists in Australia. :-)
 

never mind, at least they have black swans.

B


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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[John Sessoms]

From: Walter Gilbert


  This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US
between Kentucky and Illinois.  Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky,
but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois.  Illinois
claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log
cabin birthplace here in Kentucky.

Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the
Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially
seceded from, nor joined, the Union.  Thus concludes today's Moment of
Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert.


Andrew Jackson is claimed by North Carolina, South Carolina and 
Tennessee. Jackson was born in the Waxhaws area disputed between North 
Carolina  South Carolina. His exact birth place is unknown, and both 
states claim it is within their state as the boundary was eventually 
settled.


In 1787, Jackson was admitted to the bar in Jonesborough in the Western 
District of North Carolina.


The Western District became the Southwest Territory in 1790, and in 1796 
became the state of Tennessee.


Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution states that no new States 
shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State 
... without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned.


The North Carolina legislature DID give its consent for the creation of 
Tennessee from the former Western District of North Carolina and 
Tennessee is the only state thus admitted.


(West Virginia was admitted without the consent of the Virginia 
legislature due to some finessing of Constitutional requirements because 
of Virginia being in a state of secession at the time).


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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

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On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:52 -0500, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:
 From: Walter Gilbert
 
This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US
  between Kentucky and Illinois.  Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky,
  but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois.  Illinois
  claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log
  cabin birthplace here in Kentucky.
 
  Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the
  Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially
  seceded from, nor joined, the Union.  Thus concludes today's Moment of
  Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert.
 
 Andrew Jackson is claimed by North Carolina, South Carolina and 
 Tennessee. Jackson was born in the Waxhaws area disputed between North 
 Carolina  South Carolina. His exact birth place is unknown, and both 
 states claim it is within their state as the boundary was eventually 
 settled.
 
 In 1787, Jackson was admitted to the bar in Jonesborough in the Western 
 District of North Carolina.
 
 The Western District became the Southwest Territory in 1790, and in 1796 
 became the state of Tennessee.
 
 Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution states that no new States 
 shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State 
 ... without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned.
 
 The North Carolina legislature DID give its consent for the creation of 
 Tennessee from the former Western District of North Carolina and 
 Tennessee is the only state thus admitted.
 
 (West Virginia was admitted without the consent of the Virginia 
 legislature due to some finessing of Constitutional requirements because 
 of Virginia being in a state of secession at the time).
 



This why I love this list.  Where else would a post about an
Australian(!!!) dessert morph into a discussion of the American Civil
War?


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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[Walter Gilbert]

 I was born in Virginia -- out of which Kentucky was carved -- yet, 
neither place seems all that anxious to claim me.


-- Walt

On 12/3/2010 4:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Walter Gilbert


  This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US
between Kentucky and Illinois.  Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky,
but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois.  Illinois
claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log
cabin birthplace here in Kentucky.

Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the
Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially
seceded from, nor joined, the Union.  Thus concludes today's Moment of
Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert.


Andrew Jackson is claimed by North Carolina, South Carolina and 
Tennessee. Jackson was born in the Waxhaws area disputed between North 
Carolina  South Carolina. His exact birth place is unknown, and both 
states claim it is within their state as the boundary was eventually 
settled.


In 1787, Jackson was admitted to the bar in Jonesborough in the 
Western District of North Carolina.


The Western District became the Southwest Territory in 1790, and in 
1796 became the state of Tennessee.


Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution states that no new States 
shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State 
... without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned.


The North Carolina legislature DID give its consent for the creation 
of Tennessee from the former Western District of North Carolina and 
Tennessee is the only state thus admitted.


(West Virginia was admitted without the consent of the Virginia 
legislature due to some finessing of Constitutional requirements 
because of Virginia being in a state of secession at the time).





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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[David Mann]

On Dec 4, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 This why I love this list.  Where else would a post about an
 Australian(!!!) dessert morph into a discussion of the American Civil
 War?

I didn't know you had kangaroo for dessert...

;)

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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[Igor Roshchin]

When we were in Sydney, - we were unable to find pavlova to taste.
(despite Rob's rigorous attempts to find a place that sells/serves it)

I should mention that we couldn't taste kangaroo meet either...

... so I might conclude neither exists in Australia. :-)

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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 04:09 -0500, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:
 
 When we were in Sydney, - we were unable to find pavlova to taste.
 (despite Rob's rigorous attempts to find a place that sells/serves it)
 
 I should mention that we couldn't taste kangaroo meet either...
 
 ... so I might conclude neither exists in Australia. :-)




Pavlova:
http://gourmettraveller.com.au/rockpool-bar-grills-passionfruit-pavlova.htm

Kangaroo
http://aih.clients.squiz.net/menu2/the_menu

:-)


Cheers

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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

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On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 04:09:21AM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 When we were in Sydney, - we were unable to find pavlova to taste.
 (despite Rob's rigorous attempts to find a place that sells/serves it)
 
 I should mention that we couldn't taste kangaroo meet either...
 
 ... so I might conclude neither exists in Australia. :-)
 
 Igor

Where in sydney did YOU go?  I couldn't get away from pavlova no matter where I 
went! As for kangaroo, I only had it in one place, along with emu and 
crocodile, and it was all prepared horribly and tasted bland.  If it was 
prepared better I'm sure it would have been delicious.

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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[Walter Gilbert]

 This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US 
between Kentucky and Illinois.  Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, 
but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois.  Illinois 
claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log 
cabin birthplace here in Kentucky.


Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the 
Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never officially 
seceded from, nor joined, the Union.  Thus concludes today's Moment of 
Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert.


-- Walt

On 12/3/2010 1:46 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Phil Northeast wrote:


My Macquarie describes the dish and who it was named after, but there is no 
attribution of origin.

Must have been playing it safe if they didn't know for sure.  Or maybe they 
have some expat kiwis on their staff and couldn't settle the argument :)

I don't really care who invented it, it's just delicious.  But it's a real pain 
to make so I only have it a couple of times a year.  And now that I know how to 
make zabaglione, I have a good use for the leftover egg yolks (and the bottle 
of Marsala of course).

BTW it's not a pavlova without sliced kiwifruit on top...

Cheers,
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Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

[David Mann]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482

Sorry just had to mention :)

Cheers,
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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

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On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:48 +1300, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz
wrote:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482
 
 Sorry just had to mention :)


Oxford English Dictionary

Pshaw

I bet the Macquarie Dictionary gets it right.

:-)



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