Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
Only Darkroom here. Load shedding has returned with a vengeance. Alan C -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't think it's odd at all. For whatever solution I've come up with to do almost anything since I've known you, you've come up with a solution which is almost always the exact opposite. LOL! I use LR to work the organization of file on my hard drive for me automatically, and use IPTC information to establish categories, much of it automatically embedded into the metadata on import. If I then need files grouped by category (ie: by customer, or by job, or by project), I can find all the categories I want and move the files into such named directories inside LR efficiently and quickly, retaining the date organization .. or not .. according to my needs. Absolutely all of my original image file manipulations are on external volumes too, without exception. I use ONE working drive as fundamental repository, and two archive drives to secure and back that up ... period. This way I always know where everything in the working set, and the archive sets, is, primarily by date but also by subgroups in the file system as well as by metadata descriptors like keywords, camera type, etc. Constantly renaming and changing parts of the original file storage system externally is most likely why LR does what it does in your case. How you want to manage your workflow is your business, I know many different ways to do it. I do what I do because I find it most useful, outside of LR, to locate things by the dates I remember, not by whatever "category du jour" I dreamed up at the time I imported them. I also arranged this setup so that if I dumped LR tomorrow and moved to another image processing toolset, I could do so without any losses other than my image processing/rendering efforts on unfinished work … the IPTC metadata is readable by almost any good image management software, and I save that into the files every time I do an import. My goal in responding was to explore what MIGHT be the issue that you are running into, not to tell you how to run your workflow. I don't really care about that. G > On Jan 2, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >> Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR >> Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders >> panel. They never change place on the Folders panel. > > Oddly, you and I seem to have different workflows. I import files into my > "photos_fresh" directory on my SSD. I then organize them into topical > subdirectories when processing. You aren't interested in the full directory > tree methodology, but this way if Lightroom ever goes away, I have a nice > logical way of finding things in whatever I use next. > > Once I have finished processing, or at least sorting, the files they get > copied onto long term storage, an external case with my entire catalog on a > couple of drives. And every so often, I do a "catchup", where I "export to > catalog" all of the files I have edited since my last catchup, and then > import those changes to my "everything" catalog. > > Since I mostly only use the external drives when I'm archiving files, or > occasionally reworking old files, I don't usually even have it plugged in or > connected to the trashcan, protecting it from anything that might go wrong > with the computer. > >> >> The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down >> through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo >> storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all >> folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I >> don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire >> directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other >> directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR >> Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders >> listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the >> import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, >> which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it >> up this way. > > Hmm, interesting, it is convenient for me to know where certain directory > trees are. Some years are on one of the external drives, other years on the > other. There are other branches as well. I suppose that I could add some > meaningless directories "above" the ones I'm interested in, but even so I > don't believe I show all of the way to the root of each external drive > >> >> That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D >> >> G >> >>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard
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> On Jan 2, 2024, at 11:21 AM, Stanley Halpin > wrote: > > My basic file system: Folders = -Master for values of from 2002 to > 2024. Subfolders are - 01Jan, - 02Feb, etc. I use a similar > approach for image naming, renaming on import to mmdd-NNx.dng, > building onto the in-camera naming sequence preceded by a camera designator > such as K1a, K1b, 645Z... > > Space permitting, current year and previous year reside on my internal drive. > Whenever I do a major import or editing session, I copy the -Master to a > -Copy x, Copy x+1, etc. folder on 1 or two hard drives. If I go on a > trip, current and prior year’s -Copy x+1 is copied to a 2 TB SSD to take > along, both for en route backups from the laptop, but also in case I want to > go back into something from a few months ago. Back home, I copy from the SSD > to my internal drive in the appropriate - month folder(s) and then in LR > I point at those and have LR Synch. This is very close to my directory tree. Long term is basically Year/month/shoot with shoot named yymmdd_mnemonic Under the shoot directory I may split things out as convenient, by person being photographed, set of photos in a panorama, type of airplane, then individual airplane. There may be multiple "shoot" directories that all start off with the same date: 240102 Or there may be several days in the same shoot directory with a date arbitrarily chosen for the naming. So, I basically import into ~/photos_fresh/shoot Organize the shoot directory/directories (if I import from different cameras into different directories) Do all of my processing, then I'd move the shoot directory tree: ~/photos_fresh/240102_example into its final resting place: /mnt/photo_bb/2024a/2401/240102_example > > When I take pictures around home, I import via LR directly to my internal > drive in the appropriate month’s directory. > > For me, I found that using named folders (e.g., Birds, Water Falls, baseball, > …) led me down too many rabbit holes, and I keep my folders by date. All > other cataloging is done first via key wording on import, I started out doing something like that, but ran into the same rabbit holes that you did I'm sure. I now do a mixture of the two, the date is the primary organization, but the same "date" might have several mnemonic trees: 230712_march_afb/bombers/b25 > modified/extended key wording during review/editing, and then Catalogs for > gathering images of some category or another. Annual favorites, Selections > from November trip, Macro Flowers, … When I am working on a photo book, I > drop selected images into catalogs/sub-catalogs in my preliminary preparation > phase. I also make use of catalogs and key wording. > > One exception to my rule about sticking to folders: I do have a folder > on my internal drive labeled Current Exports. Basically temporary storage for > images to post as a PESO, GESO, on FB, or send in an email to friends. Such > images typically have been given a reasonably high star rating in LR. I can > easily delete or lose the Current Export images and re-locate them within LR > by doing a screen by ratings. I also have an extensive methodology of rating which is beyond the scope of this discussion. I do wish that I could more easily set things up so that a photo could have multiple ratings, either by myself and someone doing another pass, or for different goals, but that is a whole nuther kettle of worms. > > In your work flow, you mention “moving directories” from one place to > another. Are you using the OS to do this? Or are you doing this within LR? I have learned from painful experience to move the directories using lightroom. It is in this process that lightroom expands, contracts, and moves around the hard drives in its folders panel -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My basic file system: Folders = -Master for values of from 2002 to 2024. Subfolders are - 01Jan, - 02Feb, etc. I use a similar approach for image naming, renaming on import to mmdd-NNx.dng, building onto the in-camera naming sequence preceded by a camera designator such as K1a, K1b, 645Z... Space permitting, current year and previous year reside on my internal drive. Whenever I do a major import or editing session, I copy the -Master to a -Copy x, Copy x+1, etc. folder on 1 or two hard drives. If I go on a trip, current and prior year’s -Copy x+1 is copied to a 2 TB SSD to take along, both for en route backups from the laptop, but also in case I want to go back into something from a few months ago. Back home, I copy from the SSD to my internal drive in the appropriate - month folder(s) and then in LR I point at those and have LR Synch. When I take pictures around home, I import via LR directly to my internal drive in the appropriate month’s directory. For me, I found that using named folders (e.g., Birds, Water Falls, baseball, …) led me down too many rabbit holes, and I keep my folders by date. All other cataloging is done first via key wording on import, modified/extended key wording during review/editing, and then Catalogs for gathering images of some category or another. Annual favorites, Selections from November trip, Macro Flowers, … When I am working on a photo book, I drop selected images into catalogs/sub-catalogs in my preliminary preparation phase. One exception to my rule about sticking to folders: I do have a folder on my internal drive labeled Current Exports. Basically temporary storage for images to post as a PESO, GESO, on FB, or send in an email to friends. Such images typically have been given a reasonably high star rating in LR. I can easily delete or lose the Current Export images and re-locate them within LR by doing a screen by ratings. In your work flow, you mention “moving directories” from one place to another. Are you using the OS to do this? Or are you doing this within LR? Stan > On Jan 2, 2024, at 1:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Jan 2, 2024, at 8:17 AM, Stanley Halpin >> wrote: >> >> Like Godfrey, I have not seen this behavior in LR. > > Do your files go directly to their final resting place? Or do you have an > intermediate location on a fast drive for them? It is when I move > directories from one drive to another that this happens. > >> I just looked, I right-clicked on some of my Folder and Drive names in the >> list, played a bit with the options such as Hide this Parent or Show Parent >> Folder… >> Those are possibly the settings that Godfrey suggested you might be looking >> for. >> Stan >> >>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 11:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >>> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >>> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >>> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the >>> panel moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my >>> catalog, moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, >>> the order of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu >>> is just not strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen >>> l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood >>> >>> >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est > > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Jan 2, 2024, at 8:17 AM, Stanley Halpin > wrote: > > Like Godfrey, I have not seen this behavior in LR. Do your files go directly to their final resting place? Or do you have an intermediate location on a fast drive for them? It is when I move directories from one drive to another that this happens. > I just looked, I right-clicked on some of my Folder and Drive names in the > list, played a bit with the options such as Hide this Parent or Show Parent > Folder… > Those are possibly the settings that Godfrey suggested you might be looking > for. > Stan > >> On Jan 1, 2024, at 11:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel >> moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, >> moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order >> of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not >> strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. >> >> >> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR > Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders > panel. They never change place on the Folders panel. Oddly, you and I seem to have different workflows. I import files into my "photos_fresh" directory on my SSD. I then organize them into topical subdirectories when processing. You aren't interested in the full directory tree methodology, but this way if Lightroom ever goes away, I have a nice logical way of finding things in whatever I use next. Once I have finished processing, or at least sorting, the files they get copied onto long term storage, an external case with my entire catalog on a couple of drives. And every so often, I do a "catchup", where I "export to catalog" all of the files I have edited since my last catchup, and then import those changes to my "everything" catalog. Since I mostly only use the external drives when I'm archiving files, or occasionally reworking old files, I don't usually even have it plugged in or connected to the trashcan, protecting it from anything that might go wrong with the computer. > > The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down > through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo > storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all > folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I > don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire > directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other > directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR > Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders > listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the > import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, > which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it up > this way. Hmm, interesting, it is convenient for me to know where certain directory trees are. Some years are on one of the external drives, other years on the other. There are other branches as well. I suppose that I could add some meaningless directories "above" the ones I'm interested in, but even so I don't believe I show all of the way to the root of each external drive > > That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D > > G > >> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >>> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >>> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >>> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the >>> panel moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my >>> catalog, moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, >>> the order of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu >>> is just not strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. >> >> Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a >> drive when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and >> moving around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them. >> >> Arrrgg! Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't >> ask it to? > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Like Godfrey, I have not seen this behavior in LR. I just looked, I right-clicked on some of my Folder and Drive names in the list, played a bit with the options such as Hide this Parent or Show Parent Folder… Those are possibly the settings that Godfrey suggested you might be looking for. Stan > On Jan 1, 2024, at 11:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a "Folders" > panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. I've got > three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that whenever I > change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel moves to > the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, moving folders > from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order of the drives in > the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not strong enough to > figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. > > > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh yes: I also have LR set to display only the directory name, not the entire directory path, in the Folders panel. That might be affecting dynamic ordering as well. I doubt this problem has anything to do with an engineering decision trying to "help you". It's probably just a consequence of the way LR parses the directory names and orders the tree dynamically. When you make changes that affect the whole tree, it changes the parsing and display calculations; the ordering likely bubbles up the most recent changes to the top of the list as a side effect. G > On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR > Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders > panel. They never change place on the Folders panel. > > The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down > through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo > storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all > folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I > don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire > directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other > directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR > Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders > listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the > import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, > which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it up > this way. > > That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D > > G > >> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >>> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >>> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >>> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the >>> panel moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my >>> catalog, moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, >>> the order of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu >>> is just not strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. >> >> Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a >> drive when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and >> moving around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them. >> >> Arrrgg! Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't >> ask it to? -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hmm. I have, at present, three physical volumes comprising the media that LR Classic 13.1 has imported original files from in that list in the Folders panel. They never change place on the Folders panel. The reason for this is probably because, when I set them up, I drilled down through the directory hierarchy on the volumes to the root of the photo storage directory trees and then told LR to "Hide Parent Directory" on all folder hierarchies above (or below, per your perspective) that point. So I don't see, in LR, all the other directories on the volumes; only the entire directory of original image files starting at its local root. Any other directory/file manipulations on these volumes is therefore invisible to LR Classic, and cannot reorder the placement of the volumes in the Folders listing. There's no need to see the entire directory tree structure of the import volumes, only the directory trees from which you have imported files, which should always have a single root.. that's my logic behind setting it up this way. That's my conjecture anyway. Try it. :D G > On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a >> "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. >> I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that >> whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel >> moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, >> moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order >> of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not >> strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. > > Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a drive > when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and moving > around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them. > > Arrrgg! Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't > ask it to? -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Larry Colen wrote: >Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't ask it to? Man, that's the perennial question of software, isn't it? -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Jan 1, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a "Folders" > panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. I've got > three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that whenever I > change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel moves to > the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, moving folders > from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order of the drives in > the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not strong enough to > figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. Edit, it's even worse than that, it will also collapse the display of a drive when it makes a change. So things keep changing out from under me, and moving around, often when I'm trying to move a folder to them. Arrrgg! Why do they insist on having software "help" me, when I don't ask it to? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Stupid Lightroom Question
I'm running Lightroom Classic 13. Over on the left side there is a "Folders" panel, with the highest level of hierarchy being the hard drives. I've got three drives Mac SSD, photo_ba, and photo_bb. The problem is that whenever I change something on one of the drives, it's position in the panel moves to the top. So, while I'm going through, cleaning up my catalog, moving folders from the primary drive to the longer term storage, the order of the drives in the panel keeps shifting around. My google fu is just not strong enough to figure out how to get it to JUST STOP THAT. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com. sent from Mirkwood -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Mar 18, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Bob Pdml wrote: > >> On 18 Mar 2020, at 18:08, Bill wrote: >> >> On 3/18/2020 12:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Bill wrote: I am using Lightroom 6.14, which is no longer supported by updates. When I am opening DNG files I get a pop up telling me that I need to update Camera Raw to maintain full compatibility or some such. There is no "yes I know" tick box on the pop up to make it go away. > > Can you update Camera Raw independently of LR? Camera Raw is a plug-in in the context of Adobe Photoshop, but it is an integrated, embedded component of Lightroom. Although they refer to it as Camera Raw (because the plug-in and the embedded contexts use the same code), you cannot update Camera Raw independently in the case of Lightroom. I run only macOS, iOS, and iPadOS machines. I can't tell you what works or doesn't on Linux, Windows, or Android OS platforms: I have no experience using them for photography or image processing purposes. LR 6.14 had broken bits getting increasingly severe through macOS 10.14.x revisions. When I updated to macOS 10.15 "Catalina", LR broke and would not run. After doing an extensive amount of trails with various alternatives, On1 being the most promising of them, I gave up for the present and installed Lightroom Classic … Because I needed to get some work done again. All the problems disappeared and I'm back to my usual productive photo workflow since, and the cost is a $10 per month charge to keep using it. I don't use the Adobe Cloud at all: with LR Classic, the application operates the same way it did with LR 6.x, but they do try to push you to use the Cloud services and the Lightroom Cloud-based version. I don't need to, I don't, and I won't. And I keep looking for a usable alternative that nets the same productivity and consistency. I haven't found one yet, but Photos (supplied with macOS, iOS, and iPadOS) continues to look good when supplemented with "RAW Power" (by Gentlemen Coders - https://gentlemencoders.com) for more useful control of the rendering specifics. I also have Affinity Photo that works well as a Photoshop replacement. And a few other hopefuls that I'll test out when I get a chance. My new camera (Hasselblad 907x with the CFVII 50c digital back) produces native raw files that LR Classic understands and works very well with. Hasselblad also provides their own image processing and control software for macOS and iOS/iPadOS (Phocus 2 and Phocus 2 Mobile). I've tested this briefly so far: it works pretty well from what I have seen and offers some advantages for that camera over LR Classic, as well as extensive tethered operation in the case of Phocus 2 Mobile and the iPad Pro 11". I'll spend more time learning it and working with it as well. G — No matter where you go, there you are. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 18 Mar 2020, at 18:08, Bill wrote: > > On 3/18/2020 12:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Bill wrote: >>> >>> I am using Lightroom 6.14, which is no longer supported by updates. When I >>> am opening DNG files I get a pop up telling me that I need to update >>> Camera Raw to maintain full compatibility or some such. >>> There is no "yes I know" tick box on the pop up to make it go away. >>> Can you update Camera Raw independently of LR? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Mar 18, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Bill wrote: > > On 3/18/2020 12:09 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >> Ditto Larry. Did you change cameras or OSes? > > This has been going on since I bought my K1, I don't recall if it happened > with my K3 files. I don't believe it is an OS thing. I'm pretty sure it was > happening on Win 7 as well. I am now using Win 10. I upgraded to the K-1 several years ago, never had a problem, but I switched to DNG a few years before that. I’m also on a Mac which might make a difference. If you aren’t going directly to DNG in camera, try converting a file and see if that makes a difference. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
Bill wrote: >I am using Lightroom 6.14, which is no longer supported by updates. When >I am opening DNG files I get a pop up telling me that I need to update >Camera Raw to maintain full compatibility or some such. >There is no "yes I know" tick box on the pop up to make it go away. > >Short of buying into the subscription version or changing software, >neither of which I am prepared to do, is there any way to make this go >away permanently? Are you using out-of-camera Pentax DNG's? I always run mine through DNG converter to update them to the latest spec and to save a little storage space (it does compress them a little). -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
> On Mar 18, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Bill wrote: > > On 3/18/2020 12:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Bill wrote: >>> >>> I am using Lightroom 6.14, which is no longer supported by updates. When I >>> am opening DNG files I get a pop up telling me that I need to update >>> Camera Raw to maintain full compatibility or some such. >>> There is no "yes I know" tick box on the pop up to make it go away. >>> >>> Short of buying into the subscription version or changing software, neither >>> of which I am prepared to do, is there any way to make this go away >>> permanently? >> Interesting. I am using 6.14, and am not getting that notice. Or at least >> I wasn’t as of yesterday. > > Are you using a K1? Yes, between Olga and I, K1, K3, K3-II, K5, all set to DNG. Also my Pixel 3 phone that is set to produce DNG raw files. In a related note, does anyone have an old license for LR 6 that they aren’t using any more and would like to sell? > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/18/2020 12:09 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Ditto Larry. Did you change cameras or OSes? This has been going on since I bought my K1, I don't recall if it happened with my K3 files. I don't believe it is an OS thing. I'm pretty sure it was happening on Win 7 as well. I am now using Win 10. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ditto Larry. Did you change cameras or OSes? > On Mar 18, 2020, at 2:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > >> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Bill wrote: >> >> I am using Lightroom 6.14, which is no longer supported by updates. When I >> am opening DNG files I get a pop up telling me that I need to update Camera >> Raw to maintain full compatibility or some such. >> There is no "yes I know" tick box on the pop up to make it go away. >> >> Short of buying into the subscription version or changing software, neither >> of which I am prepared to do, is there any way to make this go away >> permanently? > > Interesting. I am using 6.14, and am not getting that notice. Or at least I > wasn’t as of yesterday. > > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
On 3/18/2020 12:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Bill wrote: I am using Lightroom 6.14, which is no longer supported by updates. When I am opening DNG files I get a pop up telling me that I need to update Camera Raw to maintain full compatibility or some such. There is no "yes I know" tick box on the pop up to make it go away. Short of buying into the subscription version or changing software, neither of which I am prepared to do, is there any way to make this go away permanently? Interesting. I am using 6.14, and am not getting that notice. Or at least I wasn’t as of yesterday. Are you using a K1? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Stupid Lightroom Question
> On Mar 18, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Bill wrote: > > I am using Lightroom 6.14, which is no longer supported by updates. When I am > opening DNG files I get a pop up telling me that I need to update Camera Raw > to maintain full compatibility or some such. > There is no "yes I know" tick box on the pop up to make it go away. > > Short of buying into the subscription version or changing software, neither > of which I am prepared to do, is there any way to make this go away > permanently? Interesting. I am using 6.14, and am not getting that notice. Or at least I wasn’t as of yesterday. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Stupid Lightroom Question
I am using Lightroom 6.14, which is no longer supported by updates. When I am opening DNG files I get a pop up telling me that I need to update Camera Raw to maintain full compatibility or some such. There is no "yes I know" tick box on the pop up to make it go away. Short of buying into the subscription version or changing software, neither of which I am prepared to do, is there any way to make this go away permanently? thanks bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
