Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting
Ken - You misunderstand a bit although I mentioned the neighbors - one factor - I want everything I listen to wherever I am in my apartment to be at a _consistent_ volume - I'm talking about an ideal here... I was amazed actually, that there was some super techno stuff that actually could accomplish this out there already. I have speakers trailing from the TV to the kitchen /bathroom area so I can get up during commercials and still know when the show starts again. I never sit in one spot for more than about 20 minutes watching anything. earphones would be like being on a leash. well - I need to get out of here - still have packages to wrap... the house is a disaster and I have company tomorrow. Have a Merry! ann Kenneth Waller wrote: Ann Have you given earphones a thought? Probably a lot cheaper than some of the devices the list has suggested. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting Automatic volume control? Used to be pretty much standard on AM Radios. Seems to have disappeared from modern audio. Rather simple circuit to build in, rather hard to add on. ann sanfedele wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material rly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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ann sanfedele wrote: earphones would be like being on a leash. Not if you got wireless earphones (they come with an infra-red transmitter)! g -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The local Big Lots has wireless headphones for $15. I can not imagine why anyone would want speakers from their TV into other rooms, the HIFI, yes, but not the TV. Of course I have only owned a TV for a week or so. So far, I have seen nothing on Channels 2 thru 23 that is worth watching. So when I have to get up for something, I hit the stop button on the DVD remote. ann sanfedele wrote: Ken - You misunderstand a bit although I mentioned the neighbors - one factor - I want everything I listen to wherever I am in my apartment to be at a _consistent_ volume - I'm talking about an ideal here... I was amazed actually, that there was some super techno stuff that actually could accomplish this out there already. I have speakers trailing from the TV to the kitchen /bathroom area so I can get up during commercials and still know when the show starts again. I never sit in one spot for more than about 20 minutes watching anything. earphones would be like being on a leash. well - I need to get out of here - still have packages to wrap... the house is a disaster and I have company tomorrow. Have a Merry! ann Kenneth Waller wrote: Ann Have you given earphones a thought? Probably a lot cheaper than some of the devices the list has suggested. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting Automatic volume control? Used to be pretty much standard on AM Radios. Seems to have disappeared from modern audio. Rather simple circuit to build in, rather hard to add on. ann sanfedele wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material rly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sun, Dec 24, 2006 at 10:35:28AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: earphones would be like being on a leash. Not if you got wireless earphones (they come with an infra-red transmitter)! g Those ones are mostly useless - they require line-of-sight. Anytime they work you're close enough to the TV to hear it (their main use is for watching the TV without disturbing others). But you can get various other kinds of wireless headphones - we've got several sets from Accoustic Research (my wife uses a pair at work so she isn't tethered to her desk, but can still get up to get at the filing cabinets). I've also got a pair that use Bluetooth technology, although their primary purpose is to work with my cellphone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Dec 22, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. The thing that really annoys me about advertising is that it's deliberately designed to be as distracting as possible because the advertiser needs to have your attention for the ad to be effective. It gets even more annoying when you start noticing the techniques they use. There's one ad on the radio here where a guy is yelling over about a dozen simultaneous cellphone ringtones... it just about drive me postal! - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Dec 22, 2006, at 6:10 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? I use the mute button for commercials. Firing a few rockets would definitely give me more satisfaction. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 22/12/06, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? It's pretty easy to add to a design but after the fact it would be a pretty messy affair if at all possible to add given the degree of integration of electronics. There are external units that will manage this problem but they are usually in a kit form (not pre-built, more of an electronics enthusiasts thing) which may plug into a line out or a head phone socket but these also require an external audio amplifier and speakers and then the overall listening volume has to be controlled via this add-on box. So basically it's possible but quite impractical. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, mike wilson wrote: On a side issue: anyone seen a SCART/RF adaptor? I assume it would have to be a powered black box. Can't find one anywhere. Like that? http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=33050criteria=scart%20RF%20modulatordoy=22m12 Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Digital Image Studio wrote: It's pretty easy to add to a design My AV Receiver has a Midnight setting; does this compress and is this effectively what we are talking about? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 22/12/06, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? ann My TV's got the very thing you describe, I call it the off switch :-) Cheers, Eric. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Could be what I'm looking for. Thanks. What did you google for? From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/12/22 Fri AM 10:15:49 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, mike wilson wrote: On a side issue: anyone seen a SCART/RF adaptor? I assume it would have to be a powered black box. Can't find one anywhere. Like that? http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=33050criteria=scart%20RF%20modulatordoy=22m12 Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, mike wilson wrote: Could be what I'm looking for. Thanks. What did you google for? I didn't. I went into maplin.co.uk and searched for SCART RF modulator. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/12/22 Fri PM 12:18:20 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, mike wilson wrote: Could be what I'm looking for. Thanks. What did you google for? I didn't. I went into maplin.co.uk and searched for SCART RF modulator. 8-) Never thought of calling it a modulator. Spent a whole evening gurgling variations of adaptor. Silly billy. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ann, Perhaps a simple solution would be one of those timer gadgets to plug the TV into at the wall socket, set to turn off (say) an hour after you settle down to watch something and subsequently doze off? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Digital Image Studio wrote: On 22/12/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right. They're just increasing the average volume of the sound in commercials, thereby increasing the perceived loudness. No You're saying it *doesn't* increase the perceived loudness??? Come on! by raising the average they are actually making it louder, if the sound pressure were measured by any integrating SPL meter it would register louder. That's true. Compression increases both the average signal level and the perceived loudness. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Digital Image Studio wrote: On 22/12/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right. They're just increasing the average volume of the sound in commercials, thereby increasing the perceived loudness. No by raising the average they are actually making it louder, if the sound pressure were measured by any integrating SPL meter it would register louder. I just figured it out: You misinterpreted my use of the word just to mean only, as in they're *only* increasing the *perceived* loudness. I meant it as simply, as in they are simply increasing the perceived loudness by increasing the average volume/level of the signal. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Have a look at some of the modern games and how they embed commercials already, only the law prevents it here for the televison program too. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting On 22/12/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every commercial I've ever produced (around one hundred) had to conform to an audio level set by the networks. What happens when the network techs load it on a cart is hard to say, but there is a defined standard for the original. Similarly there are other standards for colors, contrast levels and other variables that must be adhered to. When we were doing red cars for Dodge advertising, we couldn't make them as red as we wanted to. The network maximum red was somewhat of a weak suck to my eye. I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material fairly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You can buy stereo outboard compressor/limiters. I have one. Mine is made by ( or branded ) DBX. It only cost me about a $100 on ebay. I bought mine so I could watch movies late late night with the sound at very low volume as to not disturb the neighbors in my building. If you try this without a compressor on modern soundtracks, you cant hear the dialog its so low compared to the peaks/effects, etc. Be aware though, that the more you compress the signal the weirder it sounds, especilly if you set the compression attack times fast. For over a century, the HI-FI pursuit has been to INCREASE dynamic range to realistic levels, not compress the dynamic range. High level compression has a price with music however, it sounds terribly funky and should only be used if absolutely necessary. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:02 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting On 22/12/06, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? It's pretty easy to add to a design but after the fact it would be a pretty messy affair if at all possible to add given the degree of integration of electronics. There are external units that will manage this problem but they are usually in a kit form (not pre-built, more of an electronics enthusiasts thing) which may plug into a line out or a head phone socket but these also require an external audio amplifier and speakers and then the overall listening volume has to be controlled via this add-on box. So basically it's possible but quite impractical. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The last game I bought features Niva for men advertising. I LMAO when I first saw it, as it's one of those tough guy sneak-em-up espionage type games. Cheers, Dave On 12/22/06, Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at some of the modern games and how they embed commercials already, only the law prevents it here for the televison program too. greetings Markus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Automatic volume control? Used to be pretty much standard on AM Radios. Seems to have disappeared from modern audio. Rather simple circuit to build in, rather hard to add on. ann sanfedele wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material rly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well it's nice to know it actually exists IF this were1985 I'd buy it in a second well maybe not, as it is kinda overkill - I only want it for the TV and the whole house in my case amounts to an apartment. And the separate power supply scares me. :) Thanks, Paul ! ann Paul Sorenson wrote: Here's one, but it's pretty pricey. http://www.smarthome.com/77964.html -P ann sanfedele wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material rly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't think I could just slap one of those on my TV, though... It would be worth going in to more credit card debt if I could :) ann Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Shell wrote: On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:28 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: something I've been meaning to ask you electronics types - is there a gadget you can attach to your tv to regulate the sound so that no matter how loud or soft the actual broadcast is you can keep it at the same decible level? I like to fall asleep with the TV on but even when I'm not planning on going to sleep and I'm watching something late at night in the bedroom, a sudden surge of comemrcial volume could get my neighbors in a snit, not to mention suddenly jarring me awake. If there is not something like that in existence, someone should make it. I don't know of such a thing, but I agree that it ought to exist. It's called a compressor/limiter. http://www.tweakheadz.com/catalog-compressors1.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Dave - the one here of late that falls into that category is one that is supposed to stop a headache and the same line is repeated over and over BlahBLAH - apply directly to the forehead serves them right I can't remember the product name It got into Jay Leno's monologue pretty soon It was actually changed to something like a guy saying Your commercials are really annoying but your prodcut is great ugh ann David Mann wrote: On Dec 22, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: There's one ad on the radio here where a guy is yelling over about a dozen simultaneous cellphone ringtones... it just about drive me postal! - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Digital Image Studio wrote: It's pretty easy to add to a design My AV Receiver has a Midnight setting; does this compress and is this effectively what we are talking about? Kostas I think I've encountered TV's in motel rooms that had something like that - but ultimately what I wanted was one that kept every thing exactly level, regardless of the volume... I see now some have posted taht such a thing does exist but not in a simple plug in to my set form. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ah Cotty - I have that on my TV now - For the falling asleep process I just turn the radio next to my bed down really low for white noise -- it has to be people talking -- I have too much fo an emotional response to music. No, what I'm seeking is a way to keep the volume steady - with no peaks and valleys - whether I'm watching something when I'm alert as well as keeping the overall volume consistently low when I have to be sure I don't wake neighbors. ( I have the windows open at elast a little at all times in my apartment and some of them are fairly close to the windows in other buidlings) Others have pointed to places on the web where such things exist but they look too complicated and/or expensive. Not to mention being described in a language totally foreign to me. I'm fascinated by the discussion this has prompted and that things really do exist of this ilk. ann Cotty wrote: Ann, Perhaps a simple solution would be one of those timer gadgets to plug the TV into at the wall socket, set to turn off (say) an hour after you settle down to watch something and subsequently doze off? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If you want something to do what you want to do, then you are going to have to take steps to get it done. Of course its not going to be something so basic simple as plug in to your set form. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Digital Image Studio wrote: It's pretty easy to add to a design My AV Receiver has a Midnight setting; does this compress and is this effectively what we are talking about? Kostas I think I've encountered TV's in motel rooms that had something like that - but ultimately what I wanted was one that kept every thing exactly level, regardless of the volume... I see now some have posted taht such a thing does exist but not in a simple plug in to my set form. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ann Have you given earphones a thought? Probably a lot cheaper than some of the devices the list has suggested. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting Automatic volume control? Used to be pretty much standard on AM Radios. Seems to have disappeared from modern audio. Rather simple circuit to build in, rather hard to add on. ann sanfedele wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material rly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If you want something to do what you want to do, then you are going to have to take steps to get it done. Mark! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 3:18 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting If you want something to do what you want to do, then you are going to have to take steps to get it done. Of course its not going to be something so basic simple as plug in to your set form. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Digital Image Studio wrote: It's pretty easy to add to a design My AV Receiver has a Midnight setting; does this compress and is this effectively what we are talking about? Kostas I think I've encountered TV's in motel rooms that had something like that - but ultimately what I wanted was one that kept every thing exactly level, regardless of the volume... I see now some have posted taht such a thing does exist but not in a simple plug in to my set form. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? On a side issue: anyone seen a SCART/RF adaptor? I assume it would have to be a powered black box. Can't find one anywhere. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
TV volume, was: My holiday greeting
On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:28 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: say what? actually I have a tiny little radio that has headphones for traveling and a single earbud thing for my cell phone that I keep losing. I have a phonograph and actually have a thing that plays CD's /tapes and has a radio too. something I've been meaning to ask you electronics types - is there a gadget you can attach to your tv to regulate the sound so that no matter how loud or soft the actual broadcast is you can keep it at the same decible level? I like to fall asleep with the TV on but even when I'm not planning on going to sleep and I'm watching something late at night in the bedroom, a sudden surge of comemrcial volume could get my neighbors in a snit, not to mention suddenly jarring me awake. If there is not something like that in existence, someone should make it. sudden loudness is very stressful for me, and I think many of us who are getting on in years and have slight hearing problems. I don't know of such a thing, but I agree that it ought to exist. For years TV broadcasters claimed that the volume was not louder during commercials. They were shown proof in the form of dB readings. They still denied it. Only recently have they admitted to this foul practice. I heard one executive defend it recently by saying that people often leave the room during commercials, so they needed to be louder so they could be heard in other rooms. Amazing! It doesn't seem to occur to them that if they actually made the commercials interesting people might stay and watch them. And, instead of just making one commercial and running it endlessly until people want to upchuck when it comes on, make a bunch of different ones. In my opinion just about the only good commercials on US TV are GEICO. They are funny, creative, and they don't just make one and run it endlessly. But nobody else in the ad business seems to be paying attention. This issue of cranking the volume up for commercials is something the FCC could actually be useful in dealing with. Instead of making Bravo edit all the cursing out of Six Feet Under, they could better occupy their time in dealing with issues like this. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob Shell wrote: On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:28 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: something I've been meaning to ask you electronics types - is there a gadget you can attach to your tv to regulate the sound so that no matter how loud or soft the actual broadcast is you can keep it at the same decible level? I like to fall asleep with the TV on but even when I'm not planning on going to sleep and I'm watching something late at night in the bedroom, a sudden surge of comemrcial volume could get my neighbors in a snit, not to mention suddenly jarring me awake. If there is not something like that in existence, someone should make it. I don't know of such a thing, but I agree that it ought to exist. It's called a compressor/limiter. http://www.tweakheadz.com/catalog-compressors1.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob Shell wrote: On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:28 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: something I've been meaning to ask you electronics types - is there a gadget you can attach to your tv to regulate the sound so that no matter how loud or soft the actual broadcast is you can keep it at the same decible level? If there is not something like that in existence, someone should make it. sudden loudness is very stressful for me, and I think many of us who are getting on in years and have slight hearing problems. Bob wrote: I don't know of such a thing, but I agree that it ought to exist. For years TV broadcasters claimed that the volume was not louder during commercials. They were shown proof in the form of dB readings. They still denied it. Only recently have they admitted to this foul practice. I heard one executive defend it recently by saying that people often leave the room during commercials, so they needed to be louder so they could be heard in other rooms. Amazing! LOL! that one I had not heard... It doesn't seem to occur to them that if they actually made the commercials interesting people might stay and watch them. .. instead of just making one commercial and running it endlessly until people want to upchuck when it comes on, make a bunch of different ones. In my opinion just about the only good commercials on US TV are GEICO. They are funny, creative, and they don't just make one and run it endlessly. But nobody else in the ad business seems to be paying attention. Yes those are great - but they were guilty, at least in NY, of running the same one frequently for a while. This issue of cranking the volume up for commercials is something the FCC could actually be useful in dealing with. Instead of making Bravo edit all the cursing out of Six Feet Under, they could better occupy their time in dealing with issues like this. No shit :) ann Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob Shell wrote: On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:28 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: I like to fall asleep with the TV on but even when I'm not planning on going to sleep and I'm watching something late at night in the bedroom, a sudden surge of comemrcial volume could get my neighbors in a snit, not to mention suddenly jarring me awake. If there is not something like that in existence, someone should make it. sudden loudness is very stressful for me, and I think many of us who are getting on in years and have slight hearing problems. I don't know of such a thing, but I agree that it ought to exist. For years TV broadcasters claimed that the volume was not louder during commercials. They were shown proof in the form of dB readings. They still denied it. Only recently have they admitted to this foul practice. I heard one executive defend it recently by saying that people often leave the room during commercials, so they needed to be louder so they could be heard in other rooms. Amazing! Bob There's a limit to how loud a signal they can broadcast. 100% modulation is the max, anything over just distorts. The commercials aren't actually any louder than the programming, but there's a trick that can be done with compression to make them *seem* louder. Most TV audio has a dynamic range that includes both loud and quiet sound. But with compression the quiet sounds are boosted so that dynamic range is eliminated. The quiet sounds are boosted up to near 100% modulation and it's that sustained high modulation that makes them sound louder. You could do the same to all of the programming sound, compress it to make all of the modulation near 100% and then just turn the volume down on the whole thing, but it'd take a lot of work. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 10:13:47AM -0500, Bob Shell wrote: In my opinion just about the only good commercials on US TV are GEICO. They are funny, creative, and they don't just make one and run it endlessly. But nobody else in the ad business seems to be paying attention. The GEICO ones aren't bad - at least they're not exactly run-of-the-mill. Mind you, I still miss Louie, and the Budweiser frogs. And there have been one or two good commercials recently using Star Trek characters (although they fail as commercials - I can't remember the product). There are a couple of other commercial series that I'll go back and watch if I spot a new one during fast-forward; I don't recall what they are at present, but I'm sure TiVo knows. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Now that is technical bullshit raised to the N'th power. If you raise the average volume level you raise the perceived volume, period! I will give you the benefit of believing you read that technobable somewhere and did not have the knowledge to understand it. John Sessoms wrote: There's a limit to how loud a signal they can broadcast. 100% modulation is the max, anything over just distorts. The commercials aren't actually any louder than the programming, but there's a trick that can be done with compression to make them *seem* louder. Most TV audio has a dynamic range that includes both loud and quiet sound. But with compression the quiet sounds are boosted so that dynamic range is eliminated. The quiet sounds are boosted up to near 100% modulation and it's that sustained high modulation that makes them sound louder. You could do the same to all of the programming sound, compress it to make all of the modulation near 100% and then just turn the volume down on the whole thing, but it'd take a lot of work. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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John Sessoms wrote: There's a limit to how loud a signal they can broadcast. 100% modulation is the max, anything over just distorts. Actually, percent modulation isn't technically correct with frequency modulation (which is that TV audio is). You can theoretically increase the frequency deviation as much as you want, but the legal limit imposed by the FCC is plus/minus 75 kHz (at least for commercial FM radio, but I'm pretty sure it's the same tor television audio). The commercials aren't actually any louder than the programming, but there's a trick that can be done with compression to make them *seem* louder. Most TV audio has a dynamic range that includes both loud and quiet sound. But with compression the quiet sounds are boosted so that dynamic range is eliminated. Right. They're just increasing the average volume of the sound in commercials, thereby increasing the perceived loudness. You could do the same to all of the programming sound, compress it to make all of the modulation near 100% and then just turn the volume down on the whole thing, but it'd take a lot of work. Nah. Just stick one of the compressor/limiters from the URL in my earlier post into your signal path and you're done :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 22/12/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right. They're just increasing the average volume of the sound in commercials, thereby increasing the perceived loudness. No by raising the average they are actually making it louder, if the sound pressure were measured by any integrating SPL meter it would register louder. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 22/12/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every commercial I've ever produced (around one hundred) had to conform to an audio level set by the networks. What happens when the network techs load it on a cart is hard to say, but there is a defined standard for the original. Similarly there are other standards for colors, contrast levels and other variables that must be adhered to. When we were doing red cars for Dodge advertising, we couldn't make them as red as we wanted to. The network maximum red was somewhat of a weak suck to my eye. I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material fairly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting
Every commercial I've ever produced (around one hundred) had to conform to an audio level set by the networks. What happens when the network techs load it on a cart is hard to say, but there is a defined standard for the original. Similarly there are other standards for colors, contrast levels and other variables that must be adhered to. When we were doing red cars for Dodge advertising, we couldn't make them as red as we wanted to. The network maximum red was somewhat of a weak suck to my eye. Paul On Dec 21, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 22/12/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right. They're just increasing the average volume of the sound in commercials, thereby increasing the perceived loudness. No by raising the average they are actually making it louder, if the sound pressure were measured by any integrating SPL meter it would register louder. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I agree the commercials are almost always louder than program content when broadcast. I just wanted to make it clear that it wasn't my fault:-). Seriously, I've also produced some commercials that weren't broadcast loud enough. Some were down quite a bit from the program content. The most problematic was a Dodge Viper spot set to a remix of Steppenwolf's Magic Carpet Ride. I'm sure the mix facility made a mistake when striping the audio. It was always too down over the air. I don't know why. Paul On Dec 21, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 22/12/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every commercial I've ever produced (around one hundred) had to conform to an audio level set by the networks. What happens when the network techs load it on a cart is hard to say, but there is a defined standard for the original. Similarly there are other standards for colors, contrast levels and other variables that must be adhered to. When we were doing red cars for Dodge advertising, we couldn't make them as red as we wanted to. The network maximum red was somewhat of a weak suck to my eye. I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material fairly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Digital Image Studio wrote: I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material rly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Here's one, but it's pretty pricey. http://www.smarthome.com/77964.html -P ann sanfedele wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression and some even compress regular program material rly extensively. But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a far higher compression than the program material so that the actual volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply to your TV that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have adjusted it to the level you can hear. If they can build rockets to go to the moon why not? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
