Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On 12/15/2013 6:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:30:15AM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: I have maybe 2 dozen pictures of family from before I was born, and that's going back 2 generations. My family's descendents will have much more to choose from. I take pity on Larry's descendants. ;-) Nothing to worry about, the combination of my personality and my looks seem to have been sufficient to take me out of the gene pool. As I approach my mid-fifties the probability of my having descendants for you to worry about approaches zero. Not to late to adopt. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On 12/16/2013 7:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. Oh, I'm not complaining about the existence of Autotune when it's used lightly and deftly. But, in contemporary pop music, it's not. And I say that with the full authority of being among the vocally challenged. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
Thanks for that, John. I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. Suffice it to say that while it's largely come to popular attention outside the recording industry as a result of its use as an effect, first in pop music back in the the Cher Believe days, and more recently in hip hop (and then everything), for every song that you hear using it as an effect, there's probably a hundred more that use it for its initially intended purpose where its use is entirely inaudible. And I can tell you that it's *not* just for the vocally challenged. It's used by many extremely talented vocalists, some in musical genres far from pop music. (And as a bonus, it gave me the entirely unexpected opportunity to be quoted in New York Times responding to Jay-Z: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/when-jay-z-hates-your-software/?_r=0 ) - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
Hmmm. I had never heard of auto-tune. Not too surprising actually as I am not a big audiophile. So I went to Wikipedia to find out what the %#%@ you all were talking about. Very interesting... [Laugh-In quote.] It seems to me that the next big technological revolution will be auto-synch. Singers can do their auto-tuned songs in their recording studios, and then they can do a perfect lip synch on stage, with auto-synch making real-time corrections to their appearance in order to maintain proper vocal/visual synch. Might be ok with broadcast performances, might be trick kin a Live setting. Even better would be some implants in the jaws and mouth, computer controlled, responsive to the piped in sounds the singers are supposed to be making as they pretend to sing. stan On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: Thanks for that, John. I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. Suffice it to say that while it's largely come to popular attention outside the recording industry as a result of its use as an effect, first in pop music back in the the Cher Believe days, and more recently in hip hop (and then everything), for every song that you hear using it as an effect, there's probably a hundred more that use it for its initially intended purpose where its use is entirely inaudible. And I can tell you that it's *not* just for the vocally challenged. It's used by many extremely talented vocalists, some in musical genres far from pop music. (And as a bonus, it gave me the entirely unexpected opportunity to be quoted in New York Times responding to Jay-Z: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/when-jay-z-hates-your-software/?_r=0 ) - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
Good idea, but as most of the current pop stars are already androids, most of them (at least the latest models) already have the auto-sync function built in. - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: Hmmm. I had never heard of auto-tune. Not too surprising actually as I am not a big audiophile. So I went to Wikipedia to find out what the %#%@ you all were talking about. Very interesting... [Laugh-In quote.] It seems to me that the next big technological revolution will be auto-synch. Singers can do their auto-tuned songs in their recording studios, and then they can do a perfect lip synch on stage, with auto-synch making real-time corrections to their appearance in order to maintain proper vocal/visual synch. Might be ok with broadcast performances, might be trick kin a Live setting. Even better would be some implants in the jaws and mouth, computer controlled, responsive to the piped in sounds the singers are supposed to be making as they pretend to sing. stan On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: Thanks for that, John. I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. Suffice it to say that while it's largely come to popular attention outside the recording industry as a result of its use as an effect, first in pop music back in the the Cher Believe days, and more recently in hip hop (and then everything), for every song that you hear using it as an effect, there's probably a hundred more that use it for its initially intended purpose where its use is entirely inaudible. And I can tell you that it's *not* just for the vocally challenged. It's used by many extremely talented vocalists, some in musical genres far from pop music. (And as a bonus, it gave me the entirely unexpected opportunity to be quoted in New York Times responding to Jay-Z: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/when-jay-z-hates-your-software/?_r=0 ) - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. A long and prosperous career you had:) Like any tool, it can be used and abused. I'd say it's best used like makeup, it can be good when it's not bloody obvious. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. A long and prosperous career you had:) Like any tool, it can be used and abused. I'd say it's best used like makeup, it can be good when it's not bloody obvious. Analogy issue: makeup can also be good when it's _very_ obvious: eg theatre, or body painting. Ie when creating art. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 04:18:18PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. A long and prosperous career you had:) Like any tool, it can be used and abused. I'd say it's best used like makeup, it can be good when it's not bloody obvious. You mean like HDR? Analogy issue: makeup can also be good when it's _very_ obvious: eg theatre, or body painting. Ie when creating art. But if everybody is doing it, is it still art? :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I'd say it's best used like makeup, it can be good when it's not bloody obvious. You mean like HDR? Yes, that's a good example. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Analogy issue: makeup can also be good when it's _very_ obvious: eg theatre That's also a very good example, I wasn't thinking of it. or body painting That's strange because it works in the opposite way. Usually women wear suggestive clothing which makes you think they are wearing less (or almost nothing). At the first glance this http://funnydoom.com/wp-content/gallery/5painting/painting-0015.jpg makes you think she is fully clothed when in fact she isn't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Take a look at Digitech's Vocalist Live series processors or TC-Helicon's VoiceLive series along with the Boss RC-30 Loop Station. On 12/16/2013 2:19 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Hmmm. I had never heard of auto-tune. Not too surprising actually as I am not a big audiophile. So I went to Wikipedia to find out what the %#%@ you all were talking about. Very interesting... [Laugh-In quote.] It seems to me that the next big technological revolution will be auto-synch. Singers can do their auto-tuned songs in their recording studios, and then they can do a perfect lip synch on stage, with auto-synch making real-time corrections to their appearance in order to maintain proper vocal/visual synch. Might be ok with broadcast performances, might be trick kin a Live setting. Even better would be some implants in the jaws and mouth, computer controlled, responsive to the piped in sounds the singers are supposed to be making as they pretend to sing. stan On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: Thanks for that, John. I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. Suffice it to say that while it's largely come to popular attention outside the recording industry as a result of its use as an effect, first in pop music back in the the Cher Believe days, and more recently in hip hop (and then everything), for every song that you hear using it as an effect, there's probably a hundred more that use it for its initially intended purpose where its use is entirely inaudible. And I can tell you that it's *not* just for the vocally challenged. It's used by many extremely talented vocalists, some in musical genres far from pop music. (And as a bonus, it gave me the entirely unexpected opportunity to be quoted in New York Times responding to Jay-Z: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/when-jay-z-hates-your-software/?_r=0 ) - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On 12/15/2013 2:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave I guess I'm just the eternal optimist. Sure, they grew up with all that crap -- but there's a vast catalog of really great stuff that came before it. And I don't think it'll escape their notice forever that they're being artistically short-changed. Maybe that'll be the impetus for some revolutionaries. One can only hope. :) -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: I have maybe 2 dozen pictures of family from before I was born, and that's going back 2 generations. My family's descendents will have much more to choose from. I take pity on Larry's descendants. ;-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 8:06 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: What isn't being said is that the lower end of the market, those who wouldn't pay $1000 for wedding photography, or who don't need a high-end pro to shoot portraiture, have options now. These are people who were never your customer base in the past, are paying people to photograph them. Good point. There are many people who don't want to pay that much. Especially when they have a bright young relative who can take photos just fine. I think this is an incredibly exciting time to be a photographer. I can do things that weren't even possible even 10 years ago. Hell, I made a timelapse video on my vacation with only my K-5, iPhone, and a tripod, synced to music, and anyone in the world can watch it. I remember that video, it's really nice. For me the most useful new features are SR and little noise at high ISOs. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15/12/13, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: That's not strictly the definition here, over 50% of your invoiced income needs to be derived from photography alone to be deemed a pro. Over here, I'm not sure if there is actually a definition. I make my income from drawings and dividends from a company of which I am the managing director. The company's income is based largely on broadcast and corporate video production. From time to time one of my contacts will call and ask for still images (she's an agent) that she thinks will fit her clients' requests. I just sent off 104 small jpegs of the latest round of requests and she is putting them forward to see if any are wanted. Some taken on Canon 1D gear, plenty on the lil Fuji X10. It took me 6 hours to go through my li Probably 4 or 5 out of that 104 will be chosen, and the money is peanuts. I do it as a favour to her really and maintain the contact - she has provided video work in the past. If I had to make money solely from stills photography, I would be working twice as hard as I do now (and I work bloody hard I can tell you!) and be earning half as much. Certainly in stock images. Unless you're a stills snapper in particular demand or have a staff job, I cannot understand how a decent living can be made from stills! .02 Cot -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15/12/13, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed: Some taken on Canon 1D gear, plenty on the lil Fuji X10. It took me 6 hours to go through my li ...brary -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell On 15/12/13, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed: Some taken on Canon 1D gear, plenty on the lil Fuji X10. It took me 6 hours to go through my li ...brary I'm glad you cleared that up. I thought it was ...ngam collection. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15/12/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm glad you cleared that up. I thought it was ...ngam collection. Could have been my ...cking assortment. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:30:15AM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: I have maybe 2 dozen pictures of family from before I was born, and that's going back 2 generations. My family's descendents will have much more to choose from. I take pity on Larry's descendants. ;-) Nothing to worry about, the combination of my personality and my looks seem to have been sufficient to take me out of the gene pool. As I approach my mid-fifties the probability of my having descendants for you to worry about approaches zero. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
The Death of Photography (again)
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/12/2013 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu I'm sure that this debate happened when the first Kodaks hit the market and they guys using wet plates saw the end of their world. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/12/2013 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu I'm sure that this debate happened when the first Kodaks hit the market and they guys using wet plates saw the end of their world. You're supposed to wet the plates, dam. Dave bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. I sure hope so, at least. -- Walt On 12/14/2013 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Agreed! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu I agree it's dead. After all, why would you take a photograph if you can just spend 200 hours making it on an iPad? Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I wish the entertainment industry was listening to you, Walt. Yonnie On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu I agree it's dead. After all, why would you take a photograph if you can just spend 200 hours making it on an iPad? Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. I sure hope so, at least. What happens if it really has all been done before? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. I sure hope so, at least. What happens if it really has all been done before? bill I think everything HAS been done before! My father was a Latin and Ancient Greek teacher who has a degree in Philosophy; he's always said he couldn't stand watching movies because they were all just retellings of stories the Classics had already told, and much better, 2-3 millenia ago. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 12/14/2013 12:10 PM, Bill wrote: On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. I sure hope so, at least. What happens if it really has all been done before? bill I guess we'll just have to await the next great cataclysm to wipe it all out and start all over. And that's fine by me. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh, maybe the folks creating the scripts could use new titles and slightly change the names/stories so that we are given the illusion of new. I won't hold my breath... Yonnie On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. I sure hope so, at least. What happens if it really has all been done before? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14 Dec 2013, at 18:10, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. I sure hope so, at least. What happens if it really has all been done before? Do it again, and do it right this time. There has never been anything new under the sun, even out of Africa. Everything has always recycled its own past. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 12/14/2013 7:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu ... he not busy being born is busy dying -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 12/14/2013 1:10 PM, Bill wrote: On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. I sure hope so, at least. What happens if it really has all been done before? bill You keep running that play until you get it right (according to my high school coach). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Dec 14, 2013, Bill wrote: On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. I sure hope so, at least. What happens if it really has all been done before? Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book. --Cicero -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Three paragraphs in and I already had a feeling of Vouja Des... Ok, not really but photography as an art form ended when art in general ended. About the time that Artists could buy ready mixed paints, photographers could buy ready made film. That was pretty much the end. Everything else has been anticlimax. On 12/14/2013 7:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What happens if it really has all been done before? Groundhog day - the movie ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com Subject: Re: The Death of Photography (again) On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. I sure hope so, at least. What happens if it really has all been done before? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There's some truth in the title in some areas of photography. Like the death of stock photos and the myriad of workshops and photo tours being run by pro photographers who use to make a living selling their images. I don't see phone cameras as any bigger threat to photography than the original Brownie cameras were. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: The Death of Photography (again) http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Most pro photographers never actually made a living selling their images. Only a very few have for a very long time. IIRC to be considered a pro you have to make what 10% or 30% of your income from photography, I don't remember exactly, but those are the numbers that stick in my mind. Most made at least part of their income from teaching and seminars. On 12/14/2013 7:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: There's some truth in the title in some areas of photography. Like the death of stock photos and the myriad of workshops and photo tours being run by pro photographers who use to make a living selling their images. I don't see phone cameras as any bigger threat to photography than the original Brownie cameras were. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: The Death of Photography (again) http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree, most pro photogs have to value add now, just making photos isn't enough, there is more money in training and seminars for the hungry hoards of amateur photogs with a view to turning pro. All the studios that I know tend to rent their gear and spaces or run workshops more than they actually shoot projects for cash. On 15 December 2013 12:04, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Most pro photographers never actually made a living selling their images. Only a very few have for a very long time. IIRC to be considered a pro you have to make what 10% or 30% of your income from photography, I don't remember exactly, but those are the numbers that stick in my mind. Most made at least part of their income from teaching and seminars. On 12/14/2013 7:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: There's some truth in the title in some areas of photography. Like the death of stock photos and the myriad of workshops and photo tours being run by pro photographers who use to make a living selling their images. I don't see phone cameras as any bigger threat to photography than the original Brownie cameras were. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: The Death of Photography (again) http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Is that not pretty much the definition of a pyramid scheme? On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, most pro photogs have to value add now, just making photos isn't enough, there is more money in training and seminars for the hungry hoards of amateur photogs with a view to turning pro. All the studios that I know tend to rent their gear and spaces or run workshops more than they actually shoot projects for cash. On 15 December 2013 12:04, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Most pro photographers never actually made a living selling their images. Only a very few have for a very long time. IIRC to be considered a pro you have to make what 10% or 30% of your income from photography, I don't remember exactly, but those are the numbers that stick in my mind. Most made at least part of their income from teaching and seminars. On 12/14/2013 7:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: There's some truth in the title in some areas of photography. Like the death of stock photos and the myriad of workshops and photo tours being run by pro photographers who use to make a living selling their images. I don't see phone cameras as any bigger threat to photography than the original Brownie cameras were. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: The Death of Photography (again) http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep, that's why I have a real job where the competition is diminishing :) On 15 December 2013 13:51, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Is that not pretty much the definition of a pyramid scheme? On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, most pro photogs have to value add now, just making photos isn't enough, there is more money in training and seminars for the hungry hoards of amateur photogs with a view to turning pro. All the studios that I know tend to rent their gear and spaces or run workshops more than they actually shoot projects for cash. On 15 December 2013 12:04, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Most pro photographers never actually made a living selling their images. Only a very few have for a very long time. IIRC to be considered a pro you have to make what 10% or 30% of your income from photography, I don't remember exactly, but those are the numbers that stick in my mind. Most made at least part of their income from teaching and seminars. On 12/14/2013 7:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: There's some truth in the title in some areas of photography. Like the death of stock photos and the myriad of workshops and photo tours being run by pro photographers who use to make a living selling their images. I don't see phone cameras as any bigger threat to photography than the original Brownie cameras were. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: The Death of Photography (again) http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If someone will pay you to take photographs you are a professional photographer. On 12/14/2013 9:39 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: I agree, most pro photogs have to value add now, just making photos isn't enough, there is more money in training and seminars for the hungry hoards of amateur photogs with a view to turning pro. All the studios that I know tend to rent their gear and spaces or run workshops more than they actually shoot projects for cash. On 15 December 2013 12:04, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Most pro photographers never actually made a living selling their images. Only a very few have for a very long time. IIRC to be considered a pro you have to make what 10% or 30% of your income from photography, I don't remember exactly, but those are the numbers that stick in my mind. Most made at least part of their income from teaching and seminars. On 12/14/2013 7:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: There's some truth in the title in some areas of photography. Like the death of stock photos and the myriad of workshops and photo tours being run by pro photographers who use to make a living selling their images. I don't see phone cameras as any bigger threat to photography than the original Brownie cameras were. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: The Death of Photography (again) http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's not strictly the definition here, over 50% of your invoiced income needs to be derived from photography alone to be deemed a pro. On 15 December 2013 14:26, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: If someone will pay you to take photographs you are a professional photographer. On 12/14/2013 9:39 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: I agree, most pro photogs have to value add now, just making photos isn't enough, there is more money in training and seminars for the hungry hoards of amateur photogs with a view to turning pro. All the studios that I know tend to rent their gear and spaces or run workshops more than they actually shoot projects for cash. On 15 December 2013 12:04, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Most pro photographers never actually made a living selling their images. Only a very few have for a very long time. IIRC to be considered a pro you have to make what 10% or 30% of your income from photography, I don't remember exactly, but those are the numbers that stick in my mind. Most made at least part of their income from teaching and seminars. On 12/14/2013 7:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: There's some truth in the title in some areas of photography. Like the death of stock photos and the myriad of workshops and photo tours being run by pro photographers who use to make a living selling their images. I don't see phone cameras as any bigger threat to photography than the original Brownie cameras were. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: The Death of Photography (again) http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sounds like someone who either can't, or refuses to adapt to the changing marketplace. The photography business is forever changed than it was 20 years ago. It's not coming back, and complaining won't make it happen. What isn't being said is that the lower end of the market, those who wouldn't pay $1000 for wedding photography, or who don't need a high-end pro to shoot portraiture, have options now. These are people who were never your customer base in the past, are paying people to photograph them. If anything, the photography industry is expanding, just not at the top end. I think this is an incredibly exciting time to be a photographer. I can do things that weren't even possible even 10 years ago. Hell, I made a timelapse video on my vacation with only my K-5, iPhone, and a tripod, synced to music, and anyone in the world can watch it. I was never, ever going to pay anyone to make that, but now it's out there for anyone to appreciate and enjoy. Something else that is important to note is that most photographs are crap, they exist to say I was here, at this time. Some times it's interesting, mostly banal. But they are photographs that exist that wouldn't have before. As a person interested in my family genealogy, I'd love to see how my ancestors really were, not the few formal family portraits and snapshots. I have maybe 2 dozen pictures of family from before I was born, and that's going back 2 generations. My family's descendents will have much more to choose from. On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Maybe our descendents will have more or maybe not. Who is going to be the guardian of the bits and pixels after we're gone; will they even be readable two generations down the road. When was the last time you (that's a collective you) made prints of those mostly banal images? If we want folks to know us through photographs, we need to keep filling those shoeboxes with something that will at least draw some curiosity from our children's children when they come across them in the back of the closet. The legacy of film was (is) the paper print. I cherish those photographs my grandfather made some 90 years ago. I can pick them up, hold them and feel connected knowing his hands held them too. I'd like my grandchildren to be able to do the same. -p snip On 12/15/2013 12:06 AM, David Parsons wrote: Something else that is important to note is that most photographs are crap, they exist to say I was here, at this time. Some times it's interesting, mostly banal. But they are photographs that exist that wouldn't have before. As a person interested in my family genealogy, I'd love to see how my ancestors really were, not the few formal family portraits and snapshots. I have maybe 2 dozen pictures of family from before I was born, and that's going back 2 generations. My family's descendents will have much more to choose from. On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
