Re: PESO - Discreet Delivery

[Rick Womer]

...and crushes the customer before he can file a complaint.
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:32 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> And then the door opens from within and the parcel falls over...
>
> On 12 Aug 2016 05:05, "Rick Womer"  wrote:
>
>> "Mr. Smith? I'm showing that we delivered your 400-1200 zoom lens and
>> tripod yesterday. I can't imagine what happened to them."
>>
>> (K-5, DA 50-200)
>>
>> Rick
>>
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Re: PESO - Discreet Delivery

[Boris Liberman]

And then the door opens from within and the parcel falls over...

On 12 Aug 2016 05:05, "Rick Womer"  wrote:

> "Mr. Smith? I'm showing that we delivered your 400-1200 zoom lens and
> tripod yesterday. I can't imagine what happened to them."
>
> (K-5, DA 50-200)
>
> Rick
>
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Re: PESO - Discreet Delivery

[Rick Womer]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18273241

Sorry about that!

Rick
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 8/11/2016 8:04 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>>
>> "Mr. Smith? I'm showing that we delivered your 400-1200 zoom lens and
>> tripod yesterday. I can't imagine what happened to them."
>>
>> (K-5, DA 50-200)
>>
>> Rick
>>
>
> The link is very discreet as well
>
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Re: PESO - Discreet Delivery

[Bill]

On 8/11/2016 8:04 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

"Mr. Smith? I'm showing that we delivered your 400-1200 zoom lens and
tripod yesterday. I can't imagine what happened to them."

(K-5, DA 50-200)

Rick



The link is very discreet as well

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PESO - Discreet Delivery

[Rick Womer]

"Mr. Smith? I'm showing that we delivered your 400-1200 zoom lens and
tripod yesterday. I can't imagine what happened to them."

(K-5, DA 50-200)

Rick

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Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Bob W-PDML]

Christmas is Noel. Collin is two Ls...

> On 24 Jan 2016, at 20:15, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Colin, off-list messages to you are bouncing:
> 
> The error that the other server returned was:
> 550 5.0.0 <col...@brendemuehl.net>... User unknown
> 
> Rick
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Mail Delivery Subsystem
> <mailer-dae...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>> 
>> col...@brendemuehl.net
>> 
>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for 
>> the recipient domain brendemuehl.net by 
>> inbound.brendemuehl.net.netsolmail.net. [206.188.198.64].
>> 
>> The error that the other server returned was:
>> 550 5.0.0 <col...@brendemuehl.net>... User unknown
>> 
>> 
>> - Original message -
>> 
>> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
>>d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
>>h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
>> :content-type;
>>bh=3EH47POmBHqVy1B/AhkFta0upUUSnBMvxMESa3Wv1Gs=;
>>b=GxfaFZqkHeCKgSFiF19yEqof9yFKDd9kTBhDjnXd3C25Oz2aidjiOFy/U+C544KbGn
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>> 9O+7uTjVeLpumx0RHvqAFBkJm07KJ4oWbrIdZmX7chwqtbe9/KXOILHBjAPBP7yf4+lf
>> WHzA==
>> X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
>>d=1e100.net; s=20130820;
>>h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
>> :message-id:subject:to:content-type;
>>bh=3EH47POmBHqVy1B/AhkFta0upUUSnBMvxMESa3Wv1Gs=;
>>b=A6oc//gE48nlmP8YFSD6uLB2CvmtRXmmqO+OFgOQXNlIba1ZpQkZ83m3PXLxI+wdM9
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>> MpRA==
>> X-Gm-Message-State: 
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>> X-Received: by 10.50.152.41 with SMTP id uv9mr14092934igb.3.1453661619026;
>> Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:53:39 -0800 (PST)
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Received: by 10.79.129.199 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:53:09 -0800 (PST)
>> In-Reply-To: <001801d15614$6c7b2740$457175c0$@brendemuehl.net>
>> References: <001801d15614$6c7b2740$457175c0$@brendemuehl.net>
>> From: Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:53:09 -0500
>> Message-ID: 
>> 

Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Darren Addy]

Bob is correct: the right address is coll...@brendemuehl.net

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
> Christmas is Noel. Collin is two Ls...
>
>> On 24 Jan 2016, at 20:15, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Colin, off-list messages to you are bouncing:
>>
>> The error that the other server returned was:
>> 550 5.0.0 <col...@brendemuehl.net>... User unknown
>>
>> Rick
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Mail Delivery Subsystem
>> <mailer-dae...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>>>
>>> col...@brendemuehl.net
>>>
>>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>>> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for 
>>> the recipient domain brendemuehl.net by 
>>> inbound.brendemuehl.net.netsolmail.net. [206.188.198.64].
>>>
>>> The error that the other server returned was:
>>> 550 5.0.0 <col...@brendemuehl.net>... User unknown
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original message -
>>>
>>> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
>>>d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
>>>h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
>>> :content-type;
>>>bh=3EH47POmBHqVy1B/AhkFta0upUUSnBMvxMESa3Wv1Gs=;
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>>> WHzA==
>>> X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
>>>d=1e100.net; s=20130820;
>>>h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
>>> :message-id:subject:to:content-type;
>>>bh=3EH47POmBHqVy1B/AhkFta0upUUSnBMvxMESa3Wv1Gs=;
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>>> MpRA==
>>> X-Gm-Message-State: 
>>> AG10YOTPhBYPF6KzDDMdMBLHI/xBVU4PxMaWeNwPxwyzJvVGlumLZRSgnPNifiA9VkD8aPELeYjeTHwWCNPgVQ==
>>> X-Received: by 10.50.152.41 with SMTP id uv9mr14092934igb.3.1453661619026;
>>> Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:53:39 -0800 (PST)
>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>> Received: by 10.79.129.199 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:53:09 -0800 (PST)
>>> In-Reply-To: <001801d15614$6c7b2740$457175c0$@brendemuehl.net>
>>> References: <001801d15614$6c7b2740$457175c0$@brendemuehl.net>
>>> From: Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:53:09 -0500
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> 

Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Rick Womer]

Colin, off-list messages to you are bouncing:

The error that the other server returned was:
550 5.0.0 <col...@brendemuehl.net>... User unknown

Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Mail Delivery Subsystem
<mailer-dae...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>
>  col...@brendemuehl.net
>
> Technical details of permanent failure:
> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for 
> the recipient domain brendemuehl.net by 
> inbound.brendemuehl.net.netsolmail.net. [206.188.198.64].
>
> The error that the other server returned was:
> 550 5.0.0 <col...@brendemuehl.net>... User unknown
>
>
> - Original message -
>
> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
> h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
>  :content-type;
> bh=3EH47POmBHqVy1B/AhkFta0upUUSnBMvxMESa3Wv1Gs=;
> b=GxfaFZqkHeCKgSFiF19yEqof9yFKDd9kTBhDjnXd3C25Oz2aidjiOFy/U+C544KbGn
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>  WHzA==
> X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> d=1e100.net; s=20130820;
> h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
>  :message-id:subject:to:content-type;
> bh=3EH47POmBHqVy1B/AhkFta0upUUSnBMvxMESa3Wv1Gs=;
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>  MpRA==
> X-Gm-Message-State: 
> AG10YOTPhBYPF6KzDDMdMBLHI/xBVU4PxMaWeNwPxwyzJvVGlumLZRSgnPNifiA9VkD8aPELeYjeTHwWCNPgVQ==
> X-Received: by 10.50.152.41 with SMTP id uv9mr14092934igb.3.1453661619026;
>  Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:53:39 -0800 (PST)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Received: by 10.79.129.199 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:53:09 -0800 (PST)
> In-Reply-To: <001801d15614$6c7b2740$457175c0$@brendemuehl.net>
> References: <001801d15614$6c7b2740$457175c0$@brendemuehl.net>
> From: Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:53:09 -0500
> Message-ID: 
> 

Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, gents. Contact established.

On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

> Bob is correct: the right address is coll...@brendemuehl.net
> 
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
>> Christmas is Noel. Collin is two Ls...
>> 
>>> On 24 Jan 2016, at 20:15, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Colin, off-list messages to you are bouncing:
>>> 
>>> The error that the other server returned was:
>>> 550 5.0.0 <col...@brendemuehl.net>... User unknown
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Mail Delivery Subsystem
>>> <mailer-dae...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>>>> 
>>>>col...@brendemuehl.net
>>>> 
>>>> Technical details of permanent failure:
>>>> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server 
>>>> for the recipient domain brendemuehl.net by 
>>>> inbound.brendemuehl.net.netsolmail.net. [206.188.198.64].
>>>> 
>>>> The error that the other server returned was:
>>>> 550 5.0.0 <col...@brendemuehl.net>... User unknown
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original message -
>>>> 
>>>> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
>>>>   d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
>>>>   h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
>>>>:content-type;
>>>>   bh=3EH47POmBHqVy1B/AhkFta0upUUSnBMvxMESa3Wv1Gs=;
>>>>   b=GxfaFZqkHeCKgSFiF19yEqof9yFKDd9kTBhDjnXd3C25Oz2aidjiOFy/U+C544KbGn
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>>>>WHzA==
>>>> X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
>>>>   d=1e100.net; s=20130820;
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>>>>:message-id:subject:to:content-type;
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>>>> X-Gm-Message-State: 
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>>>> X-Received: by 10.50.152.41 with SMTP id uv9mr14092934igb.3.1453661619026;
>>>> Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:53:39 -0800 (PST)
>>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>>> Received: by 10.79.129.199 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:53:09 -0800 (PST)
>>>> In-Reply-To: <001801d15614$6c7b2740$457175c0$@brendemuehl.net>
>>>> References: <001801d15614$6c7b2740$457175c0$@brendemuehl.net>
>>>> From: Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:53:09 -0500
>>>> Message-ID: 
>>>> 

Re: Delivery status notification

[Jack Davis]

Anyone else receiving such notices?

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Mail Delivery System mailer-dae...@comcast.net
To: Davis, Jack jdavi...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 7:05:41 AM
Subject: Delivery status notification

  This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.  

Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 1 second(s):

  * pdml@pdml.net



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Re: Delivery status notification

[Stanley Halpin]

I haven’t seen it…

On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Anyone else receiving such notices?
 
 Jack
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mail Delivery System mailer-dae...@comcast.net
 To: Davis, Jack jdavi...@comcast.net
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 7:05:41 AM
 Subject: Delivery status notification
 
  This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.  
 
 Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 1 second(s):
 
  * pdml@pdml.net
 
 
 
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Re: Delivery status notification

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Stan.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Halpin, Stan s...@stans-photography.info
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 7:59:03 AM
Subject: Re: Delivery status notification

I haven’t seen it…

On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Anyone else receiving such notices?
 
 Jack
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mail Delivery System mailer-dae...@comcast.net
 To: Davis, Jack jdavi...@comcast.net
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 7:05:41 AM
 Subject: Delivery status notification
 
  This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.  
 
 Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 1 second(s):
 
  * pdml@pdml.net
 
 
 
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Re: Delivery status notification

[Bob Sullivan]

No Jack, and I just commented on Alan's photo as a test.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Delivery status notification

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Thanks, Stan.

Jack

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I haven’t seen it…

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Re: Delivery status notification

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Thanks, Bob!

Jack

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No Jack, and I just commented on Alan's photo as a test.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Delivery

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Thanks, Bob!

Jack

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No Jack, and I just commented on Alan's photo as a test.
Regards,  Bob S.

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OT Bicycle Delivery

[Larry Colen]

I was pointed to this gallery of folks delivering things on their bikes.  
Interestingly, none of them seem to be riding fixies.

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/09/27/gallery_totems_by_alain_delorme.php
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Re: PESO: The Delivery

[Jack Davis]

Painful reminder of my rotator cuff surgery!

Well timed, Dan.

Jack ;)

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 http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=105
 
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Re: The Delivery

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That was one of the most successful hoaxes in sports history.  The
Mets even played along with it, as I recall.

Thanks for looking.

Dan

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 It always amazes me that pitchers actually have to ice their arm after
 a normal outing to help them heal quicker for their next slot in the
 rotation.  On an oddly connected tangent, have you read The Strange
 Case of Siddharta Finch by George Plimpton?

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 wrote:
 Pitching does put a lot of strain on one's arm.

 Thanks for looking, Ken.

 Dan

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 Ouch! Looks like it hurts.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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Re: PESO: The Delivery

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Jack.  Sorry about your injury.

Dan

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 Painful reminder of my rotator cuff surgery!

 Well timed, Dan.

 Jack ;)

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Re: The Delivery

[John Sessoms]

From: Steven Desjardins


It always amazes me that pitchers actually have to ice their arm after
a normal outing to help them heal quicker for their next slot in the
rotation.  On an oddly connected tangent, have you read The Strange
Case of Siddharta Finch by George Plimpton?



I've read Ball Four by Jim Bouton.


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Re: The Delivery

[Daniel J. Matyola]

How about The Bronx Zoo,  by Sparky Lyle?  Sparky is actually the
manager of the minor league team that plays in this park:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13514684  .  He is as colorful
as ever.

Dan

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 From: Steven Desjardins

 It always amazes me that pitchers actually have to ice their arm after
 a normal outing to help them heal quicker for their next slot in the
 rotation.  On an oddly connected tangent, have you read The Strange
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PESO: The Delivery

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=105

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Re: The Delivery

[Ken Waller]

Ouch! Looks like it hurts.

Kenneth Waller
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Re: The Delivery

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Pitching does put a lot of strain on one's arm.

Thanks for looking, Ken.

Dan

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 Ouch! Looks like it hurts.

 Kenneth Waller
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Re: The Delivery

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It always amazes me that pitchers actually have to ice their arm after
a normal outing to help them heal quicker for their next slot in the
rotation.  On an oddly connected tangent, have you read The Strange
Case of Siddharta Finch by George Plimpton?

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 Pitching does put a lot of strain on one's arm.

 Thanks for looking, Ken.

 Dan

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 Ouch! Looks like it hurts.

 Kenneth Waller
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RE: K-7 set-up on delivery

[Desjardins, Steve]

This has me curious.  Are the JPEGs any better on the K7 than the K10D/20D?  I 
do my snapshots in JPEG and I turn the sharpness up a notch.

-Original Message-
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Hi Bob -

My K7 arrived from BH yesterday. I hadn't noticed, but it is set up like yours 
- Contrast and Sharpness up a notch.I did some macro work with the camera and 
A* 200 macro lens today - fabulous camera!

- MCC


 
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Subject: K-7 set-up on delivery

I have noticed that my K-7 was set-up not 'zeroed out'.
The image quality on Contrast and Sharpness was 'up' one notch.
Is this the case for others of you with a new K-7?
Is this Pentax's reaction to being accused of 'soft' images?

Doing shooting and reading, but nothing like Bill R. or Paul S.
It feels really good to hold.
The grip is molded with a middle finger indent (it does make a difference).
The image display is good, but the menu is a real change.
It doesn't look like an old Apple IIc menu any more.
It's in color and jam packed with info.
As you change modes, parts are 'grayed' out because they cant be changed.
The 'Green' mode is really for tyros, you can change very little.
(You're only qualified to shoot jpegs.)
And the display changes from horizontal to vertical when you shift the camera.

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Re: K-7 set-up on delivery

[William Robb]

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Subject: RE: K-7 set-up on delivery


This has me curious.  Are the JPEGs any better on the K7 than the K10D/20D? 
I do my snapshots in JPEG and I turn the sharpness up a notch.



That picture of my dog you just commented on was taken from an out of camera 
jpeg (shot at default settings). About the only thing I did was tweak the 
levels a bit and a little USM when I downsized the file for the web.
I don't think I've ever shot a raw file on my K20 for comparative purposes, 
but I was quite happy witht this one off my K-7.


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Re: K-7 set-up on delivery

[Paul Stenquist]

I've shot more than 10,000 jpegs with the K20D for virtual tours. (It  
will continue in  that role.) I turned sharpness and contrast up a  
notch from the default before I started doing that work, mainly in  
deference to criticism I had read. Didn't bother with any testing, but  
the results have been excellent.


I thought the rendering on Bill's dog pic was superb, BTW.

Paul
On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:20 AM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: Desjardins, Steve
Subject: RE: K-7 set-up on delivery


This has me curious.  Are the JPEGs any better on the K7 than the  
K10D/20D? I do my snapshots in JPEG and I turn the sharpness up a  
notch.



That picture of my dog you just commented on was taken from an out  
of camera jpeg (shot at default settings). About the only thing I  
did was tweak the levels a bit and a little USM when I downsized the  
file for the web.
I don't think I've ever shot a raw file on my K20 for comparative  
purposes, but I was quite happy witht this one off my K-7.


William Robb

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Re: K-7 set-up on delivery

[paul stenquist]

On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:15 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


I have noticed that my K-7 was set-up not 'zeroed out'.
The image quality on Contrast and Sharpness was 'up' one notch.
Is this the case for others of you with a new K-7?


Yes, that's how mine arrived. Haven't shot any jpegs yet and probably  
won't.



Is this Pentax's reaction to being accused of 'soft' images?

Doing shooting and reading, but nothing like Bill R. or Paul S.
It feels really good to hold.
The grip is molded with a middle finger indent (it does make a  
difference).

The image display is good, but the menu is a real change.
It doesn't look like an old Apple IIc menu any more.
It's in color and jam packed with info.
As you change modes, parts are 'grayed' out because they cant be  
changed.

The 'Green' mode is really for tyros, you can change very little.
(You're only qualified to shoot jpegs.)
And the display changes from horizontal to vertical when you shift  
the camera.


Regards, Bob S.

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Re: K-7 set-up on delivery

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 4:53 AM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:



 Yes, that's how mine arrived. Haven't shot any jpegs yet and probably won't.

But Kenny boy says we should.:-)



 Is this Pentax's reaction to being accused of 'soft' images?

Interested in your take on your jpegs Bob, i usually shot in jpeg mode.
Ken R said to.  :-)

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Re: K-7 set-up on delivery

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,

I shot a handful of jpegs in the kitchen (incandscent light at sunset).
They were quite snappy and colorful, even a bit blue near the window light.
At jpeg quality 3, the jpegs were 6-7meg.  At highest quality (4) they
were 8-9 meg.

In the morning I got better light and shot RAW+ (DGN's +JPG's) at the arboretum.
I'm not sure why you would do that.
The DGN's were 16-19 megs and the jpegs 9-10 megs.
The outdoor jpegs looked fine, but I've not done pixel peeping,
just loaded them in Photoshop Elements 5.0.

Regards,  Bob S.


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 On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 4:53 AM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net 
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 Yes, that's how mine arrived. Haven't shot any jpegs yet and probably won't.

 But Kenny boy says we should.:-)



 Is this Pentax's reaction to being accused of 'soft' images?

 Interested in your take on your jpegs Bob, i usually shot in jpeg mode.
 Ken R said to.      :-)

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Re: K-7 set-up on delivery

[P. J. Alling]

David J Brooks wrote:

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 4:53 AM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
  

  

Yes, that's how mine arrived. Haven't shot any jpegs yet and probably won't.



But Kenny boy says we should.:-)


  

Is this Pentax's reaction to being accused of 'soft' images?
  


Interested in your take on your jpegs Bob, i usually shot in jpeg mode.
Ken R said to.  :-)

Dave

  


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Re: K-7 set-up on delivery

[Mark Cassino]

Hi Bob -

My K7 arrived from BH yesterday. I hadn't noticed, but it is set up like yours 
- Contrast and Sharpness up a notch.I did some macro work with the camera and 
A* 200 macro lens today - fabulous camera!

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- Original Message 
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Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:15:23 AM
Subject: K-7 set-up on delivery

I have noticed that my K-7 was set-up not 'zeroed out'.
The image quality on Contrast and Sharpness was 'up' one notch.
Is this the case for others of you with a new K-7?
Is this Pentax's reaction to being accused of 'soft' images?

Doing shooting and reading, but nothing like Bill R. or Paul S.
It feels really good to hold.
The grip is molded with a middle finger indent (it does make a difference).
The image display is good, but the menu is a real change.
It doesn't look like an old Apple IIc menu any more.
It's in color and jam packed with info.
As you change modes, parts are 'grayed' out because they cant be changed.
The 'Green' mode is really for tyros, you can change very little.
(You're only qualified to shoot jpegs.)
And the display changes from horizontal to vertical when you shift the camera.

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K-7 set-up on delivery

[Bob Sullivan]

I have noticed that my K-7 was set-up not 'zeroed out'.
The image quality on Contrast and Sharpness was 'up' one notch.
Is this the case for others of you with a new K-7?
Is this Pentax's reaction to being accused of 'soft' images?

Doing shooting and reading, but nothing like Bill R. or Paul S.
It feels really good to hold.
The grip is molded with a middle finger indent (it does make a difference).
The image display is good, but the menu is a real change.
It doesn't look like an old Apple IIc menu any more.
It's in color and jam packed with info.
As you change modes, parts are 'grayed' out because they cant be changed.
The 'Green' mode is really for tyros, you can change very little.
(You're only qualified to shoot jpegs.)
And the display changes from horizontal to vertical when you shift the camera.

Regards, Bob S.

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PESO - Fruit Delivery, Kensington Market

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http://tinyurl.com/5gb5y4

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SIchPWI14XI/Cs0/ZV-q32Zjyko/s1600-h/july_23_08+002.jpg

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Re: PESO - Fruit Delivery, Kensington Market

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:12:15 -0400, frank theriault
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 http://tinyurl.com/5gb5y4
 
 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SIchPWI14XI/Cs0/ZV-q32Zjyko/s1600-h/july_23_08+002.jpg
 
 Comments welcome.



Very Theriaultian

Perhaps he's moving quicker than it seems.



Cheers

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Re: PESO - Fruit Delivery, Kensington Market

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 On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:12:15 -0400, frank theriault
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 http://tinyurl.com/5gb5y4

 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SIchPWI14XI/Cs0/ZV-q32Zjyko/s1600-h/july_23_08+002.jpg

 Comments welcome.



 Very Theriaultian

 Perhaps he's moving quicker than it seems.

Nah, just a slow shutter speed.  1/25th IIRC.  I wanted him to be a
tad sharper, but I kind of like it as is...

;-)

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Re: PESO - Fruit Delivery, Kensington Market

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Now that's more like the Knarf I know !

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PESO - Fruit Delivery, Kensington Market


 http://tinyurl.com/5gb5y4

 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SIchPWI14XI/Cs0/ZV-q32Zjyko/s1600-h/july_23_08+002.jpg

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Re: PESO - Fruit Delivery, Kensington Market

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Had to look at this one a couple of times.

It looks like you have managed to make the delivery guy look slow, and
the world around look like they are the ones in motion.

Good job.

Dave

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Is there anything more distracting than Out for Delivery?

[Charles Robinson]

Sometimes I think that the online tracking for UPS is more of a curse  
than a blessing.  I keep refreshing that page waiting for my box to  
arrive... as if hitting F5 over and over will make the thing show up  
sooner.

A watched pot never boils is hopefully not A watched UPS truck  
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Re: Is there anything more distracting than Out for Delivery?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Is there anything more distracting than Out for Delivery?


 Sometimes I think that the online tracking for UPS is more of a curse  
 than a blessing.  I keep refreshing that page waiting for my box to  
 arrive... as if hitting F5 over and over will make the thing show up  
 sooner.

Personally, I think UPS is more of a curse than a blessing..

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Re: Is there anything more distracting than Out for Delivery?

[Micah B. Kleit]

It beats DHL; their way of describing the status of a package makes no  
sense.  Out for Delivery may be frustrating, but at least it's clear.
On Mar 5, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

 Sometimes I think that the online tracking for UPS is more of a curse
 than a blessing.  I keep refreshing that page waiting for my box to
 arrive... as if hitting F5 over and over will make the thing show up
 sooner.

 A watched pot never boils is hopefully not A watched UPS truck
 never arrives.  :-)

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Re: Is there anything more distracting than Out for Delivery?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: Micah B. Kleit 
Subject: Re: Is there anything more distracting than Out for Delivery?


 It beats DHL; 

A friend of mine works for DHL.
Apparently, it is an acronym for Driver Hopelessly Lost.

William Robb

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Re: Is there anything more distracting than Out for Delivery?

[Bob Sullivan]

What's really frustrating is when it says 'out for delivery' all day,
and then switches to 'failed delivery - nobody home'.
Especially when you have been watching for it all day!

Regards,  Bob S.

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 Sometimes I think that the online tracking for UPS is more of a curse
 than a blessing.  I keep refreshing that page waiting for my box to
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Re: Peso: Sedan Delivery

[Boris Liberman]

I do envy you, Mister Robb ;-). I like old cars. They seem to have
character unlike modern boxes.

Boris

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 uncommon during the warm months to see restored or customized vintage cars
 on the street.
 A couple of days ago, I spotted this gem.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/deliveryvan.html
 Technical:
 K10/ 70mm f/2.4 LTD

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Re: Peso: Sedan Delivery

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- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman 
Subject: Re: Peso: Sedan Delivery


I do envy you, Mister Robb ;-). I like old cars. They seem to have
 character unlike modern boxes.

I'll make a point of hunting them this year.

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Re: Peso: Sedan Delivery

[John Mullan]

For those in the San Francisco Bay area, there is a classic car show on 
Memorial Day in Windsor.  Admission is free to view (and photograph) the 
cars.  In the past this show has gotten a good mix of interesting cars.  
~120 entrants.  The Mustang is the feature car this year.  To keep it Pentax 
related, I shot the event in 2002 with my 645, and in conjunction with the 
sponsors, provided each trophy winner with a photo of their car.  A stupid 
thing called work has kept me away from later events.

jm


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- Original Message -
From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: Peso: Sedan Delivery


 I do envy you, Mister Robb ;-). I like old cars. They seem to have
  character unlike modern boxes.

I'll make a point of hunting them this year.

William Robb

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Peso: Sedan Delivery

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Regina has a very good climate for preserving automobiles, and it is not 
uncommon during the warm months to see restored or customized vintage cars 
on the street.
A couple of days ago, I spotted this gem.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/deliveryvan.html
Technical:
K10/ 70mm f/2.4 LTD

Enjoy

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Amazon K10D Delivery Date

[Paul Stenquist]

Amazon tells me that my K10D is now scheduled to ship between  
December 1 and December 10.
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Re: Amazon K10D Delivery Date

[Juan Buhler]

When did you place your order?

I placed mine two days ago. My status page at Amazon says shipping Nov
9- Nov 16.

But their K10D page says the camera will be released on January 15th...

It's all a bit confusing...

j

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Re: Amazon K10D Delivery Date

[Paul Stenquist]

I placed my order September 15. My original shipping date was October  
15 to 25th. I bet you'll get an update soon.
Paul
On Nov 3, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:

 When did you place your order?

 I placed mine two days ago. My status page at Amazon says shipping Nov
 9- Nov 16.

 But their K10D page says the camera will be released on January  
 15th...

 It's all a bit confusing...

 j

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Re: Amazon K10D Delivery Date

[Perry Pellechia]

I just looked at Amazon.  They now claim the RELEASE Date is January 15.

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Re: Amazon K10D Delivery Date

[Paul Stenquist]

I rechecked my order. Still showing delivery date of 12-5 to 12-19,  
shipping date as indicated below. However, I did order very early.
Paul
On Nov 3, 2006, at 9:40 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote:

 I just looked at Amazon.  They now claim the RELEASE Date is  
 January 15.

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Re: Amazon K10D Delivery Date

[David J Brooks]

The Nikon people went through the same thing with the D200(me  
included) dates pushed back etc, etc,

I'm sure it will be a good camera. Internal or external VR, you guys  
will love it.

Dave

Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I rechecked my order. Still showing delivery date of 12-5 to 12-19,
 shipping date as indicated below. However, I did order very early.
 Paul
 On Nov 3, 2006, at 9:40 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote:

 I just looked at Amazon.  They now claim the RELEASE Date is
 January 15.

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Re: Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[mike wilson]

 
 From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/02/03 Fri AM 05:55:44 GMT
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Delivery Failure Messages
 
 
 It's somebody subscribed to the list from an account
 that incorrectly reports delivery failures to the
 original submitter, not to the 'envelope from' address.
 
 This is a failure commonly found in poorly written mail systems.

Not someone who is infected with a virus that spoofs addresses?


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Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[Bob Shell]

On Feb 3, 2006, at 12:55 AM, John Francis wrote:


It's somebody subscribed to the list from an account
that incorrectly reports delivery failures to the
original submitter, not to the 'envelope from' address.

This is a failure commonly found in poorly written mail systems.



Oh, I see, Italian ethnic jokes are allowed on this list...

Bob

Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Fri, 3 Feb 2006, Bob Shell wrote:



On Feb 3, 2006, at 12:55 AM, John Francis wrote:


It's somebody subscribed to the list from an account
that incorrectly reports delivery failures to the
original submitter, not to the 'envelope from' address.

This is a failure commonly found in poorly written mail systems.


Oh, I see, Italian ethnic jokes are allowed on this list...


Why do you assume that an Egyptian provider cannot use Ethiopian 
software for their mail system?


Kostas

Re: Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[John Francis]

On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 08:16:23AM +, mike wilson wrote:
 
  
  From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2006/02/03 Fri AM 05:55:44 GMT
  To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
  Subject: Re: Delivery Failure Messages
  
  
  It's somebody subscribed to the list from an account
  that incorrectly reports delivery failures to the
  original submitter, not to the 'envelope from' address.
  
  This is a failure commonly found in poorly written mail systems.
 
 Not someone who is infected with a virus that spoofs addresses?

No.  The symptoms aren't right.

In this case what you get is what definitely appears to be a genuine
delivery failure message (including quoting your original post).
All the headers appear correct, and consistent with the address the
message claims to come from.  There's no additional payload.

A virus masquerading as a delivery failure would:

 o  Not quote a genuine message in the body.

 o  Contain additional payload (the virus)

 o  Have spoofed addresses that don't match the headers
(and which would vary from message to message)

 o  Be generated spontaneously, not only in response to
a posting.

Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[frank theriault]

On 2/3/06, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Oh, I see, Italian ethnic jokes are allowed on this list...

 Bob



Did I miss something here?  I looked at all the posts, and didn't see
anything remotely offensive.

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Delivery Failure Messages

[Tom C]

So far both messages I have sent to the PDML today have also resulted in my 
receiving a Delivery Failure e-mail notification for the following (as cut  
pasted) from the e-mail:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The sending address was [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Anyone else receiving something similar?

Tom C.







From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: PESO: Another nude
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:33:38 -0500


On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Pat White wrote:

Hmm, donut...  When I'm working with models, I offer them soft  drinks and 
leave out bowls of almonds, regular and chocolate  covered.  After all, 
they need energy to replace the heat lost  while working nude.  I rarely 
see the model snacking, but the  chocolate-covered almonds seem to 
evaporate.  Now I call them  model food.



I keep bottled water and string cheese sticks.  That's what models  have 
asked for recently.  I used to keep a big jar of malted milk  balls, but a 
couple years ago those fell out of favor.  Maybe I  should try the 
chocolate almonds.


Bob

Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: Tom C

Subject: Delivery Failure Messages


So far both messages I have sent to the PDML today have also resulted in 
my receiving a Delivery Failure e-mail notification for the following (as 
cut  pasted) from the e-mail:


I just set a mail filter to delete anything from studiogriffanti.it, and to 
forward the postmaster reply to info at studiogriffanti.it. This should set 
up a nice continuous loop of emails that will clog his workings quite 
nicely.


William Robb 

Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[Tom Reese]

I've gotten them too. I thought maybe I had a virus but McAfee didn't find 
anything.


 -- Original message --
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 So far both messages I have sent to the PDML today have also resulted in my 
 receiving a Delivery Failure e-mail notification for the following (as cut  
 pasted) from the e-mail:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 The sending address was [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Anyone else receiving something similar?
 
 Tom C.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO: Another nude
 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:33:38 -0500
 
 
 On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Pat White wrote:
 
 Hmm, donut...  When I'm working with models, I offer them soft  drinks and 
 leave out bowls of almonds, regular and chocolate  covered.  After all, 
 they need energy to replace the heat lost  while working nude.  I rarely 
 see the model snacking, but the  chocolate-covered almonds seem to 
 evaporate.  Now I call them  model food.
 
 
 I keep bottled water and string cheese sticks.  That's what models  have 
 asked for recently.  I used to keep a big jar of malted milk  balls, but a 
 couple years ago those fell out of favor.  Maybe I  should try the 
 chocolate almonds.
 
 Bob
 
 
 

Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[Shel Belinkoff]

Having received a few I finally just blocked the domain.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 I've gotten them too. I thought maybe I had a virus but McAfee didn't
find anything.


  -- Original message --
 From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  So far both messages I have sent to the PDML today have also resulted
in my 
  receiving a Delivery Failure e-mail notification for the following (as
cut  
  pasted) from the e-mail:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff 
Subject: Re: Delivery Failure Messages




Having received a few I finally just blocked the domain.


My way is being more fun..

William Robb

Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[Scott Loveless]

Thanks for the tip, Bill.  I love the way you evil geniuses think.  g

On 2/2/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Tom C
 Subject: Delivery Failure Messages


  So far both messages I have sent to the PDML today have also resulted in
  my receiving a Delivery Failure e-mail notification for the following (as
  cut  pasted) from the e-mail:

 I just set a mail filter to delete anything from studiogriffanti.it, and to
 forward the postmaster reply to info at studiogriffanti.it. This should set
 up a nice continuous loop of emails that will clog his workings quite
 nicely.

 William Robb





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Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Bob Shell]

Who the hell is studio griffanti, and why is mail to this list going  
to them???


Bob

Begin forwarded message:


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: February 2, 2006 6:50:02 PM EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Reporting-MTA: dns;srvnovara01.studiogriffanti.interno
Received-From-MTA: dns;srvnovara01
Arrival-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:50:01 +0100

Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1

Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: February 2, 2006 6:33:38 PM EST
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Another nude
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net



On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Pat White wrote:

Hmm, donut...  When I'm working with models, I offer them soft  
drinks and leave out bowls of almonds, regular and chocolate  
covered.  After all, they need energy to replace the heat lost  
while working nude.  I rarely see the model snacking, but the  
chocolate-covered almonds seem to evaporate.  Now I call them  
model food.



I keep bottled water and string cheese sticks.  That's what models  
have asked for recently.  I used to keep a big jar of malted milk  
balls, but a couple years ago those fell out of favor.  Maybe I  
should try the chocolate almonds.


Bob

RE: Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Shel Belinkoff]

http://www.job-net.it/pg/offerta.job-net?14767

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Bob Shell 

 Who the hell is studio griffanti, and why is mail to this list going  
 to them???

Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[Jack Davis]

Yes, a couple times.

Jack

--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So far both messages I have sent to the PDML today have also resulted
 in my 
 receiving a Delivery Failure e-mail notification for the following
 (as cut  
 pasted) from the e-mail:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 The sending address was [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Anyone else receiving something similar?
 
 Tom C.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: PESO: Another nude
 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:33:38 -0500
 
 
 On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Pat White wrote:
 
 Hmm, donut...  When I'm working with models, I offer them soft 
 drinks and 
 leave out bowls of almonds, regular and chocolate  covered.  After
 all, 
 they need energy to replace the heat lost  while working nude.  I
 rarely 
 see the model snacking, but the  chocolate-covered almonds seem to 
 evaporate.  Now I call them  model food.
 
 
 I keep bottled water and string cheese sticks.  That's what models 
 have 
 asked for recently.  I used to keep a big jar of malted milk  balls,
 but a 
 couple years ago those fell out of favor.  Maybe I  should try the 
 chocolate almonds.
 
 Bob
 
 
 
 


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Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Loveless 
Subject: Re: Delivery Failure Messages




Thanks for the tip, Bill.  I love the way you evil geniuses think.  g


If this was the first time he caused this

William Robb

Re: Delivery Failure Messages

[John Francis]

It's somebody subscribed to the list from an account
that incorrectly reports delivery failures to the
original submitter, not to the 'envelope from' address.

This is a failure commonly found in poorly written mail systems.

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Bill D. Casselberry]

Bob W wrote:

 [ from Knarf ] 
  Isn't that the stuff that men used to put in their
  hair to, you know, like slick it down?  Back in the
  50's and 60's, there was Brylcreem and Vitriol, IIRC
  (I was only a kid then).
 
 No - you must be thinking of Victrola...

you're both off the mark - it was Vitalis

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[frank theriault]

--- Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
You're damn right Antonio! What does vitriol mean?
 Norm

Norm,

Isn't that the stuff that men used to put in their
hair to, you know, like slick it down?  Back in the
50's and 60's, there was Brylcreem and Vitriol, IIRC
(I was only a kid then).

HTH,
frank

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Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[frank theriault]

--- Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Now
Mr. Owens, are you suggesting that it would be
 Antonio's fault? My 
 good man, I'm sure you don't really mean that.
 Norm

Norm,

You sarcastic bastard.  Do you have to turn everything
into a for or against scenario?  

Why don't you just unsubscribe, and leave us alone.

Further, I think I'm going to have a beer now.  Excuse
me while I go to the fridge.

Most importantly, VBG

cheers,
frank

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OT: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Antonio Aparicio]

Hi Doug,
Well I have been using the internet since Telnet and IRC, some 20 years 
ago and all I can say is that there is something wrong with this list. 
Emails are clearly not getting through. I am not the only one to 
experience this. Instead of berating me for raising the issue, or 
blaming me for not addressing a message properly (something I have not 
done), it would be helpful if you would at leas say you will look into 
the issue, rather than making arrogant comments about Gatesian 
conspiracies - something neither I nor anyone else who is having 
problems has even mentioned.

A.

The software works fine; a message comes in, gets readdressed to the 
list subscribers,
and is sent out. Once it leaves the server, any number of things can 
happen to it that
is not under the software's control, or mine. Sometimes the email 
doesn't make it. If
you've never lost a message, it tells me two things. 1.) You're 
extremely lucky, and
2.) you haven't used email for very long. I have nearly twenty years in 
the wired
world that tells me shit happens and there's very little you can do 
about it.

If a message is properly addressed and formatted (no guarantee, as I 
see bounced and
mis-addressed messages every day) and the software sends it out to the 
list, then it
has done its job. If User X gets the message and User Y doesn't, then 
there is
something in the pipeline between the list software and User Y that is 
fouling things
up, because the software doesn't pick and choose which users to send 
the messages to;
it simply adds the subscriber address to the address field and sends it 
on.

You are, of course, free to believe what you wish, but keep one thing 
in mind while
you do so: I am involved in the list intimately every day. Even on 
vacation, if I have
access to the web, I check to make certain it is running properly. I 
will decide
whether or not something is clearly wrong, and then act accordingly. 
No amount of
hand-wringing over imagined Gatesian conspiracies is going to change 
that.

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Bill Owens]

Seems odd to me that the only one of nearly 600 subscribers complaining
about this issue is you.  Have you given any thought to the idea that maybe
the problem is at your end?

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:11 AM
Subject: OT: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft
browsers are most secure choice)


 Hi Doug,

 Well I have been using the internet since Telnet and IRC, some 20 years
 ago and all I can say is that there is something wrong with this list.
 Emails are clearly not getting through. I am not the only one to
 experience this. Instead of berating me for raising the issue, or
 blaming me for not addressing a message properly (something I have not
 done), it would be helpful if you would at leas say you will look into
 the issue, rather than making arrogant comments about Gatesian
 conspiracies - something neither I nor anyone else who is having
 problems has even mentioned.

 A.

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Antonio Aparicio]

Bill, actually quite a few people have been having this problem, but 
even if I was the only one I still think it deserves some attention.

A.
On 8 Jul 2004, at 14:45, Bill Owens wrote:
Seems odd to me that the only one of nearly 600 subscribers complaining
about this issue is you.  Have you given any thought to the idea that 
maybe
the problem is at your end?

Bill
- Original Message -
From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:11 AM
Subject: OT: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: 
Non-Microsoft
browsers are most secure choice)


Hi Doug,
Well I have been using the internet since Telnet and IRC, some 20 
years
ago and all I can say is that there is something wrong with this list.
Emails are clearly not getting through. I am not the only one to
experience this. Instead of berating me for raising the issue, or
blaming me for not addressing a message properly (something I have not
done), it would be helpful if you would at leas say you will look into
the issue, rather than making arrogant comments about Gatesian
conspiracies - something neither I nor anyone else who is having
problems has even mentioned.

A.

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Otis Wright]

In my humble opinion, this list is tops in service compared to others I 
participate in.   I second Dan's comments without reservation.

Otis Wright.
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I, for one, have had no problems with this list, although there have 
been problems from time to time on other lists to which I belong.  We 
owe a huge debt of gratitude to those who sent up and run this list 
and the PUG.

Bill Owens wrote:
Seems odd to me that the only one of nearly 600 subscribers complaining
about this issue is you.  Have you given any thought to the idea that 
maybe
the problem is at your end?
 

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Rob Studdert]

On 8 Jul 2004 at 10:24, Norm Baugher wrote:

 You're damn right Antonio! What does vitriol mean?

It's empathy, tolerance, compromise and integration that he doesn't understand 
:-(


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Antonio Aparicio]

Well Rob, when you are debating a subject you normally have a different 
opinion to some other folks, so I dont really see how integration 
would be relevant.

As to empathy, tolerance and compromise, it is very hard to feel any of 
those when you are the subject of an ongoing torrent of abuse and 
attack. If that is what you are seeking then perhaps you should go 
about it another way.

A.
On 8 Jul 2004, at 17:34, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 8 Jul 2004 at 10:24, Norm Baugher wrote:
You're damn right Antonio! What does vitriol mean?
It's empathy, tolerance, compromise and integration that he doesn't 
understand
:-(

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Amazing!  I said nothing against anyone.  I expressed an opinion, and 
then stated that Doug and the others who manage the list and the PUG 
deserve our gratitude.  Where was the vitriol in my post?  Why do you 
question my honesty?  You may be the most highly sensitive and 
argumentative person I have met, on the net or otherwise.  Please calm down.

Antonio Aparicio wrote:
Daniel,
Is it not possible for you to contribute to a thread without turning 
it into a for or against situation? Nobody has expressed any 
ingratitude to Doug, that is not the issue. The issue is that some 
people are not receiving messages as they should. Why can that not be 
discussed openly and honestly, without the vitriol?

A.
On 8 Jul 2004, at 15:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I, for one, have had no problems with this list, although there have 
been problems from time to time on other lists to which I belong.  We 
owe a huge debt of gratitude to those who sent up and run this list 
and the PUG.

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Amazing!  I said nothing against anyone.  I expressed an opinion, and
then stated that Doug and the others who manage the list and the PUG
deserve our gratitude.  Where was the vitriol in my post?  Why do you
question my honesty?  You may be the most highly sensitive and
argumentative person I have met, on the net or otherwise.  Please calm down.
Antonio Aparicio wrote:
Daniel,
Is it not possible for you to contribute to a thread without turning 
it into a for or against situation? Nobody has expressed any 
ingratitude to Doug, that is not the issue. The issue is that some 
people are not receiving messages as they should. Why can that not be 
discussed openly and honestly, without the vitriol?

A.
On 8 Jul 2004, at 15:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I, for one, have had no problems with this list, although there have 
been problems from time to time on other lists to which I belong.  We 
owe a huge debt of gratitude to those who sent up and run this list 
and the PUG.

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Tom C]

This is amazing. I've suddenly become a member of the OTEMAILBROWSERBYE 
mailing list without even subscribing.  How can they do that?

Tom C.

RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Malcolm Smith]

Graywolf wrote:

 Boy am I glad I am out of the work force. Did I ever mention 
 the time I got a bad work review, so I just quit trying to do 
 my job. Just came in, sat there, and was friendly to 
 everyone. Ignored the job description completely. Did no 
 actual work. They told me how much I had improved.

HAR! You could pick an argument in an empty room :-)

Malcolm

RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Malcolm Smith]

frank theriault wrote:

 Well, Malcolm, you're right.  The culture of I just want 
 this off my desk 
 should change.  Problem, it's not so easy a fix as one might 
 think.  With the advent of computers, receptionists must now 
 be much more than a pretty face to smile at the business men 
 who walk in the door.

Any company that wants culture change, has to have this desire from the very
top of the organisation. It has to accept that many of the things being done
are wrong, without slapping blame everywhere.

I spent three years of my life on a project alongside my everyday job doing
just that - total culture change. Receptionists are the first face that
people see in your company building. Those that are faffing around after
others aren't doing there job; it's someone else's job they have got
involved in. And, it's not their job..
 
 They are now expected to be jack (jills?) of all trades, who 
 are also secretaries, accountants, logistics technicians, 
 coffee brewers and schedulers of board rooms and catering 
 services, dog walkers and day care providers.  I've walked 
 into offices to pick up parcels from poor receptionists who 
 are still frantically putting the finishing touches on a 
 package to go out because the boss needed to make last minute 
 changes after the call for pick up was made, by which time 
 poor receptionist had already embarked on a series of tasks 
 for other bosses, and is trying to do 5 things at once, along 
 with readying my package for me.

Most of these problems occur because no one understands the
impact/importance/relevance on one job to another. Simply taking senior
staff back to the sharp end for a week or so, gives them an understanding of
what they ask and are expecting their staff to do. This often comes as a
heck of a shock. Seeing what you do in the company and how you can help
others just by straight communication. I saw in one week senior management
stop referring to one departments 'excuses' as genuine problems.
 
 At that point, they really don't care if the package gets 
 anywhere near it's destination.  Off their desk is a real good start.
 
 Expecting higher productivity for lower pay is what's causing 
 this culture that you talk about.  We can thank the bean 
 counters (as Tom likes calling
 them) for that one.

'Bean counters' have an important part to play if you let them. Often no one
listens. As soon as you chuck out the 'them  us' in the business
environment, you have a chance for a committed and happy workforce. It does
mean re-evaluating everything you may ever have done. People don't like
change and you have to accept there will be a few people along the way who
will entrench themselves in the old order. If you can't change the people,
change the people

One brief example: there was a vacancy for an accountant. One individual
shone through on ability and personality. However, he was quite disabled.
The line manager saw that as an issue, as much would have to be altered to
give proper access and adapted workspace. So did I, as a problem for us, not
the candidate for the job. Sometimes not only are you fighting against the
old cultures of a company, you are fighting against individuals
discrimination. He got the job by the way! The building should have been
wheelchair accessible anyway, but someone slowed such works down. I wonder
how many excellent people we missed out on employing over the years?

Rant over. 

Malcolm

Re: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Otis Wright]

Malcolm Smith wrote:

frank theriault wrote:

 

Well, Malcolm, you're right.  The culture of I just want 
this off my desk 
should change.  Problem, it's not so easy a fix as one might 
think.  With the advent of computers, receptionists must now 
be much more than a pretty face to smile at the business men 
who walk in the door.
   

Any company that wants culture change, has to have this desire from the very
top of the organisation. It has to accept that many of the things being done
are wrong, without slapping blame everywhere.
Not WRONG.  Please.   Just things that can be done better--- sometimes 
much much better -- if someone will stop telling people they are doing 
WRONG. :-P

Otis Wright

Re: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Keith Whaley]

When something is done incorrectly, and there's only two ways to do it, 
right and wrong, there IS a wrong way.
Now, it's up to the boss or supervisor or parent, or whomever, to soft 
pedal the word and insist that it be done correctly.

I think you're trying to avoid instilling in students of any age, but 
especially young inexperienced people, that they did something wrong, 
as though it was a bad thing.
Right?
Wrong is not automatically bad, unless you're assembling an atomic bomb.

Anyone can make a mistake, and most people will, on occasion, until they 
get the right training and experience. That mistake is part of the 
learning experience, and as such it might well be wrong but the 
teacher should not allow the connotation of bad to be attached to wrong.

Bad is only when you do it on purpose...

IMMHO,

keith whaley

Otis Wright wrote:



Malcolm Smith wrote:

frank theriault wrote:

 

Well, Malcolm, you're right.  The culture of I just want this off my 
desk should change.  Problem, it's not so easy a fix as one might 
think.  With the advent of computers, receptionists must now be much 
more than a pretty face to smile at the business men who walk in the 
door.
  


Any company that wants culture change, has to have this desire from 
the very
top of the organisation. It has to accept that many of the things 
being done
are wrong, without slapping blame everywhere.

Not WRONG.  Please.   Just things that can be done better--- sometimes 
much much better -- if someone will stop telling people they are doing 
WRONG. :-P

Otis Wright

RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Malcolm Smith]

Keith Whaley wrote:

 When something is done incorrectly, and there's only two ways 
 to do it, right and wrong, there IS a wrong way.
 Now, it's up to the boss or supervisor or parent, or 
 whomever, to soft pedal the word and insist that it be done correctly.
 
 I think you're trying to avoid instilling in students of any 
 age, but especially young inexperienced people, that they did 
 something wrong, 
 as though it was a bad thing.
 Right?
 Wrong is not automatically bad, unless you're assembling an 
 atomic bomb.
 
 Anyone can make a mistake, and most people will, on occasion, 
 until they get the right training and experience. That 
 mistake is part of the learning experience, and as such it 
 might well be wrong but the teacher should not allow the 
 connotation of bad to be attached to wrong.
 
 Bad is only when you do it on purpose...

Indeed, when it is done on purpose.

People make mistakes, the culture element is where you can tell your
workmates/supervisor that there is a problem without recrimination. People
who work in such environments don't tend to make many mistakes anyway, as
they don't have that fear of explaining problems...

Malcolm

Re: OT:Parcel delivery.

[John Forbes]

Insurance isn't free.  Their insurance only covers the replacement cost 
because they are paying a premium.  The premium is based on claims 
experience, and it will cover not just the full cost of all expected 
claims, but also the admin cost and profits.

It's a complete fallacy to think that insurance pays.

John

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:12:31 +0100, Malcolm Smith 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

William Robb wrote:

They have decided that it is more profitable to screw up and lose the
delivery. Their insurance coughs up the replacement cost, and in all
likelyhood they will deliver the replacement.
It's called profiting from ones mistakes, and they have elevated it
to a business model.
There is a Douglas Adams quality to this statement!

Malcolm





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Re: OT:Parcel delivery.

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: John Forbes
Subject: Re: OT:Parcel delivery.


 Insurance isn't free.  Their insurance only covers the replacement
cost
 because they are paying a premium.  The premium is based on claims
 experience, and it will cover not just the full cost of all
expected
 claims, but also the admin cost and profits.

 It's a complete fallacy to think that insurance pays.

And in who's world does a company not carry liability insurance as
standard procedure?
They are paying for it, whether or not they make claims.
It's a complete fallacy to think that companies don't take use of
liability insurance into account when they are setting up their
business plan.
Otherwise, why have it in the first place.

William Robb

RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Malcolm Smith]

William Robb wrote:

 And in who's world does a company not carry liability insurance as
 standard procedure?
 They are paying for it, whether or not they make claims.
 It's a complete fallacy to think that companies don't take use of
 liability insurance into account when they are setting up their
 business plan.
 Otherwise, why have it in the first place.

No business in their right mind doesn't carry liability insurance, even
where it isn't compulsory to do so. The issue here is cost and in today's
world where potential claims can be large, premiums are very high. To reduce
this, most companies have a large excess or element of self insurance. One
company I worked for had an enormous excess of way into 6 figures GBP. To
reduce the costs further most excesses are layered with additional polices
for higher sums to get better insurance premiums through lesser risk of
claiming, i.e. the 2nd excess policy only picking up claims from say GBP1
million to GBP3 million and so on.

How this package works to a parcel delivery company for continual lower
level claims (although you would require the cover in the event of the loss
of say, a distribution hub), would be interesting to note, but no
Underwriter is going to spend more on paying claims and associated
administration costs than he gets in premiums!

Malcolm

RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Malcolm Smith]

frank theriault wrote:

 UPS won't dump the residential deliveries, because they want 
 to be Your One Stop Courier Company.  They want 
 secretaries, rececptions and mail room guys to have one 
 courier company on their speed dial, for all their needs.

Whichever company delivers 'whatever to wherever', should be in the business
of aiming for 100% success, not by nature of being at the top of the list of
agents to call.
 
 If such businesses have to think, Hmmm...  Is this an in 
 town or out of town delivery?  Do I call UPS or the local 
 guys?  Is this overnight, or one hour service?, then that 
 confuses them.  Much easier to have one number to call.  You 
 start calling other companies and you get sales people 
 dropping by, telling you that they can provide services 
 similar to UPS for much much less.  UPS loses a customer, or 
 their business is much diminished.

I have no doubt you're right, but I would expect mailroom staff to know the
best and most efficient way (cost  time) of getting something delivered. No
doubt many companies simply negotiate a contract for all deliveries - but
surely someone monitors performance of this for negotiating the next
contract period? 
 
 I'm always amazed when I go into an office and see the UPS 
 pile for out of town overnights.  I'll say, you know, we do 
 overnights out of town, too, and way cheaper than UPS (or 
 Fedex, or whoever).  They had no idea.

They should. No excuse there.
 
 And, to be honest with you (as someone who works in the 
 business), I can tell you that the average receptionist or 
 mailroom staffer really doesn't care if the package gets 
 delivered.  They care if the package gets off their desk.  
 Right now.  So that when the boss comes, they can say, Yup, 
 it's gone.  Went out an hour ago.  Then it's not their 
 problem any more.  Not delivered?  UPS screwed up, not me.  
 Call tracking, they'll fix it.

This is a culture that needs to be changed. It's not good enough to say it's
gone - it needs to be delivered and the customer will think of both the
supplier and the deliverer. Of course it depends on the value of the items
being sent - think of the threads here about choices of delivery from camera
stores on high value items - but if you are sending something to someone, it
has a value.

Why should any delivery company change it's performance figures if the
senders don't much care. The real irony here, is they aren't even paying for
it. It's the recipient who picks up the bill for the item  the delivery!!

Malcolm

Re: OT:Parcel delivery.

[graywolf]

You hit that nail on the head, Frank.

frank theriault wrote:

And, to be honest with you (as someone who works in the business), I can 
tell you that the average receptionist or mailroom staffer really 
doesn't care if the package gets delivered.  They care if the package 
gets off their desk.  Right now.  So that when the boss comes, they can 
say, Yup, it's gone.  Went out an hour ago.  Then it's not their 
problem any more.  Not delivered?  UPS screwed up, not me.  Call 
tracking, they'll fix it.
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: OT:Parcel delivery.

[graywolf]

Maybe what is needed is for everyone to place their order, then when they say 
they can not ship the way you want, tell them to cancel it. I think only a lot 
of canceled orders are likely to reach management's ears. Just not ordering will 
not get to them.

BH now will do USPS for a slight extra fee. That probably came about because 
their customer service manager was active on the rec.photo groups, so heard a 
lot of complaints that would never have gotten to him otherwise.

--

Malcolm Smith wrote:
Why should any delivery company change it's performance figures if the
senders don't much care. The real irony here, is they aren't even paying for
it. It's the recipient who picks up the bill for the item  the delivery!!
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Malcolm Smith]

Graywolf wrote:

 Maybe what is needed is for everyone to place their order, 
 then when they say they can not ship the way you want, tell 
 them to cancel it. I think only a lot of canceled orders are 
 likely to reach management's ears. Just not ordering will not 
 get to them.
 
 BH now will do USPS for a slight extra fee. That probably 
 came about because their customer service manager was active 
 on the rec.photo groups, so heard a lot of complaints that 
 would never have gotten to him otherwise.

Why not? 

We have choice over the dealer of a camera for example, choice in how we pay
and as the customer, why shouldn't the person paying have the choice of
delivery?

Malcolm

Re: OT:Parcel delivery.

[John Francis]

Nobody said it was free.  But it is often cheaper than taking the
steps necessary to avoid the replacement (such as allowing drivers
enough time to walk up to the door and ring the doorbell, rather
than just dumping the package in the nearest convenient spot).

The same is true in *all* businesses. Cars could be made safer,
electronics could be tested before shipping, etc.  But there is
a cost to doing so, and there is a point at which these costs
far exceed the possible liabilty incurred by not spending that
extra money up front.

 
 Insurance isn't free.  Their insurance only covers the replacement cost 
 because they are paying a premium.  The premium is based on claims 
 experience, and it will cover not just the full cost of all expected 
 claims, but also the admin cost and profits.
 
 It's a complete fallacy to think that insurance pays.
 
 John
 
 On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:12:31 +0100, Malcolm Smith 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  William Robb wrote:
 
  They have decided that it is more profitable to screw up and lose the
  delivery. Their insurance coughs up the replacement cost, and in all
  likelyhood they will deliver the replacement.
  It's called profiting from ones mistakes, and they have elevated it
  to a business model.
 
  There is a Douglas Adams quality to this statement!
 
  Malcolm
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Butch Black]

Frank wrote:

UPS won't dump the residential deliveries, because they want to be Your One
Stop Courier Company.  They want secretaries, receptionists and mail room
guys to have one courier company on their speed dial, for all their needs.


Then there is the ever increasing internet mail order shopping business,
which I believe will generate a big chunk of change for the delivery
services. The problem, for the consumer, is that the courier companies are
probably going to offer good deals to large mail order companies to be their
exclusive shipper. Since the almighty dollar talks, once that happens the
courier company is going to have to screw up badly and often to get the mail
order company to change.

My 2

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)

RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[frank theriault]

You're right in several places, Butch.

The internet order thing is huge, and lucrative, so these companies are 
falling all over themselves to become exclusive deliverer for these guys 
who now have a huge chunk of their sales from the internet.  Obviously they 
feel it's worth it, because the rates they charge must be really low.  
Otherwise, why would so many places say ship UPS only?  If they're cheaper 
than the post office, they must be cheap!  I know damn well, that if a 
schmuck like me walks in off the street to a UPS agent and asks for rates to 
send a small package, UPS, Fedex and the rest are WY more expensive 
than the post.

The other salient point that you make is that there does seem something of a 
groundswell, if this list is any indicator.  How many here are now prepared 
to say to a shipper, if you send UPS, I'll go somewhere else?  Sounds like 
a few!  Maybe UPS doesn't care if they don't deliver the odd package, and 
has insurance pay for the item, but retailers are going to start using other 
shipping companies if they get enough customers taking their business 
somewhere else.  ~That's~ when the almighty dollar means something.

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT:Parcel delivery.
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:46:00 -0500
Frank wrote:

UPS won't dump the residential deliveries, because they want to be Your 
One
Stop Courier Company.  They want secretaries, receptionists and mail room
guys to have one courier company on their speed dial, for all their needs.

Then there is the ever increasing internet mail order shopping business,
which I believe will generate a big chunk of change for the delivery
services. The problem, for the consumer, is that the courier companies are
probably going to offer good deals to large mail order companies to be 
their
exclusive shipper. Since the almighty dollar talks, once that happens the
courier company is going to have to screw up badly and often to get the 
mail
order company to change.

My 2¢

Butch

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hesse (Demian)


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RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[frank theriault]

Well, Malcolm, you're right.  The culture of I just want this off my desk 
should change.  Problem, it's not so easy a fix as one might think.  With 
the advent of computers, receptionists must now be much more than a pretty 
face to smile at the business men who walk in the door.

They are now expected to be jack (jills?) of all trades, who are also 
secretaries, accountants, logistics technicians, coffee brewers and 
schedulers of board rooms and catering services, dog walkers and day care 
providers.  I've walked into offices to pick up parcels from poor 
receptionists who are still frantically putting the finishing touches on a 
package to go out because the boss needed to make last minute changes after 
the call for pick up was made, by which time poor receptionist had already 
embarked on a series of tasks for other bosses, and is trying to do 5 things 
at once, along with readying my package for me.

At that point, they really don't care if the package gets anywhere near it's 
destination.  Off their desk is a real good start.

Expecting higher productivity for lower pay is what's causing this culture 
that you talk about.  We can thank the bean counters (as Tom likes calling 
them) for that one.

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



At some point in the recent past, your humble servant opined:

 And, to be honest with you (as someone who works in the
 business), I can tell you that the average receptionist or
 mailroom staffer really doesn't care if the package gets
 delivered.  They care if the package gets off their desk.
 Right now.  So that when the boss comes, they can say, Yup,
 it's gone.  Went out an hour ago.  Then it's not their
 problem any more.  Not delivered?  UPS screwed up, not me.
 Call tracking, they'll fix it.
Malcolm, with much erudition, retorted:
This is a culture that needs to be changed. It's not good enough to say 
it's
gone - it needs to be delivered and the customer will think of both the
supplier and the deliverer. Of course it depends on the value of the items
being sent - think of the threads here about choices of delivery from 
camera
stores on high value items - but if you are sending something to someone, 
it
has a value.

Why should any delivery company change it's performance figures if the
senders don't much care. The real irony here, is they aren't even paying 
for
it. It's the recipient who picks up the bill for the item  the delivery!!

Malcolm


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RE: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Malcolm Smith]

Graywolf wrote:

 Ah the old toss it in the trash trick.
 
 When I was in the Air Force a long long while back my parents 
 decided to toss out those boxes of old books I had, including 
 a first edition of The Swiss Family Robinson. On the one 
 hand, I had only paid 99 cents for it. On the other, it 
 really was worth about a thousand dollars back then, and who 
 knows what today.
 
 Your friend has my heart felt sympathy.

Ouch! What a way for a first edition to go.

This parcel delivery business really baffles me. It wasn't that long ago
when the adverts of the various companies reflected what happened in real
life - you pay the company to deliver it for an agreed fee upfront
(excluding customs or duties where applicable), they take care of it and
deliver it to the door and hand it to the recipient on receipt of a
signature.

Somewhere in delivery world, a new order has taken over. Perhaps I need to
read the get out clauses for such companies in depth, but with the number of
complaints I hear, it is impossible for management not to be aware of this
as an issue. So I expect it comes down to percentage and number of claims
that are acceptable per van delivery trip. My guess is they are now on the
limit of how much they can expect a delivery driver to do, before his/her
corner cutting really shows.

So many big companies, when they start out, talk about making money as a by
product of their quality. Most go from quality to quantity pretty quickly.
And it shows...

Malcolm