Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-19 Thread David Mann
Thanks for the advice, I'll see if I can find some time to look at Vuescan 
again.

It was a long time ago but I think my issue was that it may have been applying 
incorrect gamma curves to each channel, or something like that.  Perhaps it 
related to a film-type setting.  Whatever it was, I could just never get the 
colours right in Photoshop.  If I can figure that out it'll make things a lot 
easier.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:19 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 19.02.21 um 04:36 schrieb David Mann:
> 
>> I should try Vuescan again but last time I did I just couldn't get usable 
>> results from it (the colours were wonky).
> 
> I've just scanned a heap of 20+ year old old b/w and colour negative
> films with Vuescan and an Epson F-3200 (not Perfection 3200!) and the
> colours are mostly acceptable. Getting them right while printing in the
> darkroom used to be a lot more hassle.
> 
> I don't do any colour correction in Vuescan, save the scans as 24 bit
> TIFF files and do all the rest in DxO Photolab 4 in the same way as I
> treat my digital RAW files.
> 
> Maybe you'd like to try the current version of Vuescan. Do stay away
> from the built-in film profiles. I leave the setting under the Color tab
> at "Generic Colour Negative" and usually get results that can easily be
> tweaked into something quite acceptable.
> 
> Here's a few I've scanned over the last days. The first one is from the
> very first colour neg film I've ever developed myself. Click on the
> images to get a larger view.
> 
> https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/mein-allererster-fotoralfbe/44882022
> 
> https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/noch-ein-schneebild-fotoralfbe/44878650
> 
> https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/ich-habe-auch-schneebilder-fotoralfbe/44878597
> 
> https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2021/02/agfa-film.html
> 
> 
> Ralf
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-19 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 19.02.21 um 14:16 schrieb Paul Stenquist:

Have you tried Epson scan? I find it’s far superior to Vuescan on Epson flatbeds


The F-3200 isn't a flatbed and Epson don't support it anymore.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/cameras/reviews/68178-epson-f-3200-film-scanner-multi-format

That being said, I've always found the Epson software to be a right
royal PITA. This doesn't have to mean much, as I'm also a passionate
hater of Silverfast.

I've been used to Vuescan for all my scanners, from the HP Photosmart
for which it was originally created through various Nikon and Epson
scanners to my current Minolta 5400 and said Epson F-3200.

As they say here: One man's owl is another man's nightingale. Boat
floating, bell ringing and all that...

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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Have you tried Epson scan? I find it’s far superior to Vuescan on Epson flatbeds

Paul

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 4:19 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 19.02.21 um 04:36 schrieb David Mann:
> 
>> I should try Vuescan again but last time I did I just couldn't get usable 
>> results from it (the colours were wonky).
> 
> I've just scanned a heap of 20+ year old old b/w and colour negative
> films with Vuescan and an Epson F-3200 (not Perfection 3200!) and the
> colours are mostly acceptable. Getting them right while printing in the
> darkroom used to be a lot more hassle.
> 
> I don't do any colour correction in Vuescan, save the scans as 24 bit
> TIFF files and do all the rest in DxO Photolab 4 in the same way as I
> treat my digital RAW files.
> 
> Maybe you'd like to try the current version of Vuescan. Do stay away
> from the built-in film profiles. I leave the setting under the Color tab
> at "Generic Colour Negative" and usually get results that can easily be
> tweaked into something quite acceptable.
> 
> Here's a few I've scanned over the last days. The first one is from the
> very first colour neg film I've ever developed myself. Click on the
> images to get a larger view.
> 
> https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/mein-allererster-fotoralfbe/44882022
> 
> https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/noch-ein-schneebild-fotoralfbe/44878650
> 
> https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/ich-habe-auch-schneebilder-fotoralfbe/44878597
> 
> https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2021/02/agfa-film.html
> 
> 
> Ralf
> 
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-19 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 19.02.21 um 04:36 schrieb David Mann:


I should try Vuescan again but last time I did I just couldn't get usable 
results from it (the colours were wonky).


I've just scanned a heap of 20+ year old old b/w and colour negative
films with Vuescan and an Epson F-3200 (not Perfection 3200!) and the
colours are mostly acceptable. Getting them right while printing in the
darkroom used to be a lot more hassle.

I don't do any colour correction in Vuescan, save the scans as 24 bit
TIFF files and do all the rest in DxO Photolab 4 in the same way as I
treat my digital RAW files.

Maybe you'd like to try the current version of Vuescan. Do stay away
from the built-in film profiles. I leave the setting under the Color tab
at "Generic Colour Negative" and usually get results that can easily be
tweaked into something quite acceptable.

Here's a few I've scanned over the last days. The first one is from the
very first colour neg film I've ever developed myself. Click on the
images to get a larger view.

https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/mein-allererster-fotoralfbe/44882022

https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/noch-ein-schneebild-fotoralfbe/44878650

https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/ich-habe-auch-schneebilder-fotoralfbe/44878597

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2021/02/agfa-film.html


Ralf

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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-18 Thread David Mann
On Feb 18, 2021, at 10:45 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:

> Am 18.02.21 um 05:33 schrieb David Mann:
> 
>> Minolta Multi Pro.
> 
> Wish I had one.

I wish they'd kept supporting them but the Minolta software doesn't work on 
Intel Macs.  I've kept an ancient PC to use with it but it's in the garage and 
I don't even know if it'll boot next time!

I should try Vuescan again but last time I did I just couldn't get usable 
results from it (the colours were wonky).  Possibly operator error.  The 
Minolta software was very good.

I actually scanned all of my 6x7 slides during the aforementioned earthquake 
repairs.  One day I might scan my 35mm slides as well but it's tedious work.  I 
looked at the Pentax slide duplicator.  Nice concept but just not financially 
feasible for me.  I might try and rig up something similar that's "good enough" 
at some stage.

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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-18 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 18.02.21 um 05:33 schrieb David Mann:


Minolta Multi Pro.


Wish I had one.

Ralf

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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-17 Thread David Mann
On Feb 18, 2021, at 7:36 AM, John  wrote:

> What model film scanner?

Minolta Multi Pro.

Cheers,
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-17 Thread John

On 2/17/2021 02:05:12, David Mann wrote:

On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:20 PM, mike wilson  wrote:

If you have access to the ink port on the head and can obtain a disposable 
hypodermic, you could try fitting it directly to the port (I found a 5ml one 
worked best; might be different for other models) and filling the barrel with a 
mix of IPA and distilled or deionised water.  Put the plunger back in to reduce 
evaporation and leave it.  If you manage to get some seepage, _gentle_ pressure 
might help.  Time is your friend.


I do have access to the ink ports (one per colour).  I had seen that as an 
option (I think the page I saw suggested squeezing the solution through).

To be honest I don't know what I'll do even if I do get it running. I have yet 
to find a source of ink for this model so I may be wasting my time. Epson.com 
says they're discontinued.

I also have my old flatbed scanner still wrapped up. I'll probably send that 
one straight to recycling.  And I need to work out what I want to do with my 
film scanner.  If the Pentax slide duplicator wasn't so expensive I'd sell the 
scanner and buy one of those.

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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-17 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 01:06:11AM -0600, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> This guy has a couple videos that seem to be pretty helpful for unclogging
> heads.

Was that another reference to "Alice's Restaurant" ?
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-17 Thread ann sanfedele
Dave - I've been  buying "expired date" real Epson ink for my r2400 on 
ebay for the last several years.. possible you could find ink for yours 
that way..
I never had any problem.. (this may be old news, I didn't read all the 
responses to your original post)


ann

On 2/17/2021 2:05 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:20 PM, mike wilson  wrote:

If you have access to the ink port on the head and can obtain a disposable 
hypodermic, you could try fitting it directly to the port (I found a 5ml one 
worked best; might be different for other models) and filling the barrel with a 
mix of IPA and distilled or deionised water.  Put the plunger back in to reduce 
evaporation and leave it.  If you manage to get some seepage, _gentle_ pressure 
might help.  Time is your friend.

I do have access to the ink ports (one per colour).  I had seen that as an 
option (I think the page I saw suggested squeezing the solution through).

To be honest I don't know what I'll do even if I do get it running. I have yet 
to find a source of ink for this model so I may be wasting my time. Epson.com 
says they're discontinued.

I also have my old flatbed scanner still wrapped up. I'll probably send that 
one straight to recycling.  And I need to work out what I want to do with my 
film scanner.  If the Pentax slide duplicator wasn't so expensive I'd sell the 
scanner and buy one of those.

Cheers,
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-16 Thread David Mann
> On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:20 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> If you have access to the ink port on the head and can obtain a disposable 
> hypodermic, you could try fitting it directly to the port (I found a 5ml one 
> worked best; might be different for other models) and filling the barrel with 
> a mix of IPA and distilled or deionised water.  Put the plunger back in to 
> reduce evaporation and leave it.  If you manage to get some seepage, _gentle_ 
> pressure might help.  Time is your friend.

I do have access to the ink ports (one per colour).  I had seen that as an 
option (I think the page I saw suggested squeezing the solution through).

To be honest I don't know what I'll do even if I do get it running. I have yet 
to find a source of ink for this model so I may be wasting my time. Epson.com 
says they're discontinued.

I also have my old flatbed scanner still wrapped up. I'll probably send that 
one straight to recycling.  And I need to work out what I want to do with my 
film scanner.  If the Pentax slide duplicator wasn't so expensive I'd sell the 
scanner and buy one of those.

Cheers,
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
I’ve been using a 2880 without a single clogging incident fir years. Bought it 
when it was first introduced. In recent years I’ve probably made only one print 
a month or so but it keeps chugging along. I use only Epson ink and buy it from 
Atlex or Epson, never off store shelves. I don’t if any of that matters, but I 
suspect fresh ink is a factor.

Paul

> On Feb 16, 2021, at 3:27 AM, Bulent Celasun  wrote:
> 
> I used to have a lightly used  Epson Stylus Photo R2880 Inkjet Printer
> which was neglected for years
> (totally unattended with the ink set mounted).
> Tried everything I might and failed to make the head sing again.
> I had to leave it on top of an electronic garbage pile.
> Now I have a lower spec model (L805) and try to keep it happy by turning it on
> (even when nothing is to be printed)
> every now and then.
> 
> Bulent
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> David Mann , 16 Şub 2021 Sal, 07:11 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I finally got tired of seeing my printer (Epson 2100, aka 2200) still 
>> wrapped up since it went into storage for our earthquake repairs 7 years ago.
>> 
>> I plugged it in, gave the ink cartridges a bit of a shake and ran a few 
>> cleaning cycles and I'm currently at the point where only the magenta is 
>> still clogged, presumably because that cartridge was empty (luckily I had a 
>> replacement on-hand).  I'm actually amazed it's come this far.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any tips to try and unclog it?  I've tried putting a bit of 
>> paper towel soaked with isopropyl alcohol under the head but it hasn't made 
>> much difference.
>> 
>> I'm not even sure I can still get replacement inks for it so I may be 
>> wasting my time, but it would be nice to get it running again.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-16 Thread ann sanfedele
This guy's recipe worked for me... unclogging an r2400 that I bought a 
couple of years ago which was almost brand new but had been in storage 
for about a year.. I still have a supply of the solution to occasionally 
put it on a sheet of paper and run it through


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1hxljJhi9M

ann

On 2/16/2021 9:22 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 16.02.21 um 14:11 schrieb Bulent Celasun:

The inks were originals like the ones I still have sitting somewhere 
unopened.
I remember thinking about selling them as such but I doubt they will 
perform

as good as films past their BB date.


Put them on ebay and you'll see. I've sold my remaining inks and while
it wasn't enough to retire I was pleasantly surprised.

Now, speaking of expired film, I'll have to do something to get rid of a
whole box full that contributes to the mess in our basement, not to
mention a whole lot of lab stuff. Having found out the current prices of
Jobo processors, dryer cabinets, paper safes and other lab equipment I
seem to be sitting on a small fortune.

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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-16 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 16.02.21 um 14:11 schrieb Bulent Celasun:


The inks were originals like the ones I still have sitting somewhere unopened.
I remember thinking about selling them as such but I doubt they will perform
as good as films past their BB date.


Put them on ebay and you'll see. I've sold my remaining inks and while
it wasn't enough to retire I was pleasantly surprised.

Now, speaking of expired film, I'll have to do something to get rid of a
whole box full that contributes to the mess in our basement, not to
mention a whole lot of lab stuff. Having found out the current prices of
Jobo processors, dryer cabinets, paper safes and other lab equipment I
seem to be sitting on a small fortune.

Ralf

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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-16 Thread mike wilson
If you have access to the ink port on the head and can obtain a disposable 
hypodermic, you could try fitting it directly to the port (I found a 5ml one 
worked best; might be different for other models) and filling the barrel with a 
mix of IPA and distilled or deionised water.  Put the plunger back in to reduce 
evaporation and leave it.  If you manage to get some seepage, _gentle_ pressure 
might help.  Time is your friend.

> On 16 February 2021 at 04:11 David Mann  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I finally got tired of seeing my printer (Epson 2100, aka 2200) still wrapped 
> up since it went into storage for our earthquake repairs 7 years ago.
> 
> I plugged it in, gave the ink cartridges a bit of a shake and ran a few 
> cleaning cycles and I'm currently at the point where only the magenta is 
> still clogged, presumably because that cartridge was empty (luckily I had a 
> replacement on-hand).  I'm actually amazed it's come this far.
> 
> Does anyone have any tips to try and unclog it?  I've tried putting a bit of 
> paper towel soaked with isopropyl alcohol under the head but it hasn't made 
> much difference.
> 
> I'm not even sure I can still get replacement inks for it so I may be wasting 
> my time, but it would be nice to get it running again.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-16 Thread Bulent Celasun
Mine had remained unused for about 4 years, maybe 5.
At least a year or 2 of it was in a box.
I was rather too busy with other matters and wasn't surprised when I
found it dead.

The inks were originals like the ones I still have sitting somewhere unopened.
I remember thinking about selling them as such but I doubt they will perform
as good as films past their BB date.

Bulent
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Paul Stenquist , 16 Şub 2021 Sal, 15:32 tarihinde
şunu yazdı:
>
> I’ve been using a 2880 without a single clogging incident fir years. Bought 
> it when it was first introduced. In recent years I’ve probably made only one 
> print a month or so but it keeps chugging along. I use only Epson ink and buy 
> it from Atlex or Epson, never off store shelves. I don’t if any of that 
> matters, but I suspect fresh ink is a factor.
>
> Paul
>
> > On Feb 16, 2021, at 3:27 AM, Bulent Celasun  
> > wrote:
> >
> > I used to have a lightly used  Epson Stylus Photo R2880 Inkjet Printer
> > which was neglected for years
> > (totally unattended with the ink set mounted).
> > Tried everything I might and failed to make the head sing again.
> > I had to leave it on top of an electronic garbage pile.
> > Now I have a lower spec model (L805) and try to keep it happy by turning it 
> > on
> > (even when nothing is to be printed)
> > every now and then.
> >
> > Bulent
> > -
> > http://patoloji.gen.tr
> > http://celasun.wordpress.com/
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
> > http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun
> >
> > David Mann , 16 Şub 2021 Sal, 07:11 tarihinde şunu 
> > yazdı:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I finally got tired of seeing my printer (Epson 2100, aka 2200) still 
> >> wrapped up since it went into storage for our earthquake repairs 7 years 
> >> ago.
> >>
> >> I plugged it in, gave the ink cartridges a bit of a shake and ran a few 
> >> cleaning cycles and I'm currently at the point where only the magenta is 
> >> still clogged, presumably because that cartridge was empty (luckily I had 
> >> a replacement on-hand).  I'm actually amazed it's come this far.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any tips to try and unclog it?  I've tried putting a bit 
> >> of paper towel soaked with isopropyl alcohol under the head but it hasn't 
> >> made much difference.
> >>
> >> I'm not even sure I can still get replacement inks for it so I may be 
> >> wasting my time, but it would be nice to get it running again.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-16 Thread Bulent Celasun
>> I had to leave it on top of an electronic garbage pile.

>Next time put it on ebay with an honest description of the problem. Then
>watch what happens and be surprised...
>
>I've sold my totally clogged-up R2400 a few years ago and it still
>fetched over 100 euros.

Oh! It never occured to me. If only I knew it then!
Thank you.
I will surely remember this next time.

>I might as well have had my few prints oil-painted.
That is exactly how I felt.
:)

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Ralf R Radermacher , 16 Şub 2021 Sal, 13:15 tarihinde
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>
> Am 16.02.21 um 09:26 schrieb Bulent Celasun:
>
> > I had to leave it on top of an electronic garbage pile.
>
> Next time put it on ebay with an honest description of the problem. Then
> watch what happens and be surprised...
>
> I've sold my totally clogged-up R2400 a few years ago and it still
> fetched over 100 euros.
>
> I also had tried everything but with my small amount of prints it kept
> clogging and had turned into a bottomless pit. With all the money wasted
> on ink for useless head cleanings I might as well have had my few prints
> oil-painted.
>
> Ralf
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-16 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 16.02.21 um 09:26 schrieb Bulent Celasun:


I had to leave it on top of an electronic garbage pile.


Next time put it on ebay with an honest description of the problem. Then
watch what happens and be surprised...

I've sold my totally clogged-up R2400 a few years ago and it still
fetched over 100 euros.

I also had tried everything but with my small amount of prints it kept
clogging and had turned into a bottomless pit. With all the money wasted
on ink for useless head cleanings I might as well have had my few prints
oil-painted.

Ralf

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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-16 Thread Bulent Celasun
I used to have a lightly used  Epson Stylus Photo R2880 Inkjet Printer
which was neglected for years
(totally unattended with the ink set mounted).
Tried everything I might and failed to make the head sing again.
I had to leave it on top of an electronic garbage pile.
Now I have a lower spec model (L805) and try to keep it happy by turning it on
(even when nothing is to be printed)
every now and then.

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David Mann , 16 Şub 2021 Sal, 07:11 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I finally got tired of seeing my printer (Epson 2100, aka 2200) still wrapped 
> up since it went into storage for our earthquake repairs 7 years ago.
>
> I plugged it in, gave the ink cartridges a bit of a shake and ran a few 
> cleaning cycles and I'm currently at the point where only the magenta is 
> still clogged, presumably because that cartridge was empty (luckily I had a 
> replacement on-hand).  I'm actually amazed it's come this far.
>
> Does anyone have any tips to try and unclog it?  I've tried putting a bit of 
> paper towel soaked with isopropyl alcohol under the head but it hasn't made 
> much difference.
>
> I'm not even sure I can still get replacement inks for it so I may be wasting 
> my time, but it would be nice to get it running again.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Re: Unclogging printer head

2021-02-15 Thread Paul Sorenson
This guy has a couple videos that seem to be pretty helpful for 
unclogging heads.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRZU1_XD7xE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoREA1GMpD4

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On 2/15/2021 10:11 PM, David Mann wrote:

Hi all,

I finally got tired of seeing my printer (Epson 2100, aka 2200) still wrapped 
up since it went into storage for our earthquake repairs 7 years ago.

I plugged it in, gave the ink cartridges a bit of a shake and ran a few 
cleaning cycles and I'm currently at the point where only the magenta is still 
clogged, presumably because that cartridge was empty (luckily I had a 
replacement on-hand).  I'm actually amazed it's come this far.

Does anyone have any tips to try and unclog it?  I've tried putting a bit of 
paper towel soaked with isopropyl alcohol under the head but it hasn't made 
much difference.

I'm not even sure I can still get replacement inks for it so I may be wasting 
my time, but it would be nice to get it running again.

Cheers,
Dave
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Unclogging printer head

2021-02-15 Thread David Mann
Hi all,

I finally got tired of seeing my printer (Epson 2100, aka 2200) still wrapped 
up since it went into storage for our earthquake repairs 7 years ago.

I plugged it in, gave the ink cartridges a bit of a shake and ran a few 
cleaning cycles and I'm currently at the point where only the magenta is still 
clogged, presumably because that cartridge was empty (luckily I had a 
replacement on-hand).  I'm actually amazed it's come this far.

Does anyone have any tips to try and unclog it?  I've tried putting a bit of 
paper towel soaked with isopropyl alcohol under the head but it hasn't made 
much difference.

I'm not even sure I can still get replacement inks for it so I may be wasting 
my time, but it would be nice to get it running again.

Cheers,
Dave
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