Re: laptop recommendation
On 2010-12-12 21:10 , Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:38 PM, steve harleyp...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-12-12 11:02 , Adam Maas wrote: Right now I'd have to prefer Windows for Photo editing work. Better 64 bit support (allowing you to make use of more than 3GB of RAM) what specifically is better? [...] The biggest issues are twofold, first off PS CS5 is rather buggy on OS X, where it's effectively a 1.0 release (first Cocoa version) while the Windows version is much more stable (PS has been better on Windows for the last two releases due to the Carbon/Cocoa switch and related issues). Secondly you've got the relative lack of 64bit plugins on the Mac side limiting the utility of CS5 in 64bit form, thirdly you've got the lack of 64bit support in most non-PS imaging apps on the Mac side unlike Windows where pretty much everything's been 64-bit capable for a full release cycle or more. [...] Note I expect that these issues will go away with the next release cycle for PS and OS X, but they do exist today. thanks! helpful summary; clearly most of the what you're talking about is with Adobe apps (aided, of course, by Apple's late reality check on Carbon/64) i guess my imaging toolset is pretty much exempt from those issues; i use Aperture 3, VueScan 9, and (infrequently) Photoshop CS2, all on Mac OS 10.5 because certain key things broke in 10.6; 64-bit Photoshop is obviously not an issue for me yet since i'm still running it in PowerPC emulation -- yet i can still work with 100MB TIFFs pretty comfortably, so i'm not sure i should even care about 64 bit ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I no longer have printing problems with Snow Leopard and my Epson 2880. There was a system update from Apple a while back that was described as Epson Upgrade. You don't know how good that makes me feel.:-0 Dave Paul -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote: I've decided to purchase a laptop for RAW image processing. I'm also a budding nature audio recordist, so I'll be doing audio post processing as well. So far I've only played with Bibble and Picassa a bit processing photos. My plan is to give Photoshop and Lightroom a try. I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Those of you who've used image processing software on both platforms, what reasons made you settle on one OS over the other for working images? Thanks, Kent It's a tossup, really. Right now I'd have to prefer Windows for Photo editing work. Better 64 bit support (allowing you to make use of more than 3GB of RAM) and the printing system doesn't have the issues that Snow Leopard currently has (and Apple still hasn't fixed. It ain't just PS with profile issues in Snow Leopard, the problem is in the printing system). It's not a huge difference but Windows has fixed most of the 64 bit issues and OS X still has a few of those. This is mostly a result of Windows (and the Windows version of Photoshop) having gone fully 64-bit a full version cycle ahead of OS X. That said, OS X is definitely ahead for Audio work and you get a pretty good low-end multitrack recording app in Garageband for free. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On Dec 12, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote: I've decided to purchase a laptop for RAW image processing. I'm also a budding nature audio recordist, so I'll be doing audio post processing as well. So far I've only played with Bibble and Picassa a bit processing photos. My plan is to give Photoshop and Lightroom a try. I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Those of you who've used image processing software on both platforms, what reasons made you settle on one OS over the other for working images? Thanks, Kent It's a tossup, really. Right now I'd have to prefer Windows for Photo editing work. Better 64 bit support (allowing you to make use of more than 3GB of RAM) and the printing system doesn't have the issues that Snow Leopard currently has (and Apple still hasn't fixed. It ain't just PS with profile issues in Snow Leopard, the problem is in the printing system). It's not a huge difference but Windows has fixed most of the 64 bit issues and OS X still has a few of those. This is mostly a result of Windows (and the Windows version of Photoshop) having gone fully 64-bit a full version cycle ahead of OS X. That said, OS X is definitely ahead for Audio work and you get a pretty good low-end multitrack recording app in Garageband for free. I no longer have printing problems with Snow Leopard and my Epson 2880. There was a system update from Apple a while back that was described as Epson Upgrade. Don't know what it did, but my printing is now excellent. Just made six 11 x 17x for a customer this morning. All spot on. No redos. (Which was a good thing, because I was down to seven sheets of Exhibition Fibre. Paul -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On 2010-12-12 11:02 , Adam Maas wrote: Right now I'd have to prefer Windows for Photo editing work. Better 64 bit support (allowing you to make use of more than 3GB of RAM) what specifically is better? i'm curious, and wondering if it has to do with the fact that Photoshop switched from Carbon to Cocoa as of CS5, or is it plugins still at 32 bit? for most people, are photographic images large enough that it matters? (as i understand it Lightroom's been Cocoa, and thus 64-bit since version 2, though i can suppose plugins could be a problem there too) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:38 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-12-12 11:02 , Adam Maas wrote: Right now I'd have to prefer Windows for Photo editing work. Better 64 bit support (allowing you to make use of more than 3GB of RAM) what specifically is better? i'm curious, and wondering if it has to do with the fact that Photoshop switched from Carbon to Cocoa as of CS5, or is it plugins still at 32 bit? for most people, are photographic images large enough that it matters? (as i understand it Lightroom's been Cocoa, and thus 64-bit since version 2, though i can suppose plugins could be a problem there too) The biggest issues are twofold, first off PS CS5 is rather buggy on OS X, where it's effectively a 1.0 release (first Cocoa version) while the Windows version is much more stable (PS has been better on Windows for the last two releases due to the Carbon/Cocoa switch and related issues). Secondly you've got the relative lack of 64bit plugins on the Mac side limiting the utility of CS5 in 64bit form, thirdly you've got the lack of 64bit support in most non-PS imaging apps on the Mac side unlike Windows where pretty much everything's been 64-bit capable for a full release cycle or more. The problems with 64bit on OS X are: a combination of the Carbon/Cocoa switch which was forced by Apple killing the announced 64-bit Carbon support late in the dev cycle which caused the CS4 release cycle to stay 32bit on OS X, serious bugs with Photoshop CS5 related to the switch (CS5 on Windows is simply more stable than the Mac version), the fact that many plugins which are 64bit capable in Windows aren't in their Mac versions as their release cycles haven't caught up to CS5, the fact that CS5 has even more issues in 32 bit mode on OS X than it does in 32 bit mode (max memory limitations which CS3 and CS4 lack and you have to use the 32bit version of CS5 to use 32bit plugins) and the simple fact that 64 bit support is much more mature on the Windows side (where it's been functionally mature since Vista was released) than the Mac side (where Snow Leopard is the first fully 64bit version of OS X) which means that there's a solid library of 64bit capable apps and drivers in Windows which OS X lacks. OS X is well ahead of where Vista was in terms of 64 bit support at the same point in the release cycle thanks to the partial 64 bit support in Leopard but it lags where Windows is now. LR does have less issues because it's been on Cocoa for longer than PS. Note I expect that these issues will go away with the next release cycle for PS and OS X, but they do exist today. -- Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On Dec 11, 2010, at 3:42 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: I don't know how many restrictions are possible on networked Macs, but faculty are not allowed to even correct the date or time on the college's computers where I work. In theory they shouldn't have to. Even I can set up NTP... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On 9/12/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: Just out of curiosity Paul, did you have to work hard to become such an ignorant asshole? Or do you rely purely on natural talent? He gets his training from me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
And John must have gotten his training from Wheatfield:-). Clicking no is a viable solution. Is that why it makes you angry? Paul On Dec 10, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Cotty wrote: On 9/12/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: Just out of curiosity Paul, did you have to work hard to become such an ignorant asshole? Or do you rely purely on natural talent? He gets his training from me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
Who's afraid of Virginia Woolfe... 2010/12/10 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: And John must have gotten his training from Wheatfield:-). Clicking no is a viable solution. Is that why it makes you angry? Paul On Dec 10, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Cotty wrote: On 9/12/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: Just out of curiosity Paul, did you have to work hard to become such an ignorant asshole? Or do you rely purely on natural talent? He gets his training from me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know how many restrictions are possible on networked Macs, but faculty are not allowed to even correct the date or time on the college's computers where I work. Our accessibility is limited to basic kiosk functions. Jeffery On Dec 10, 2010, at 5:56 AM, paul stenquist wrote: And John must have gotten his training from Wheatfield:-). Clicking no is a viable solution. Is that why it makes you angry? Paul On Dec 10, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Cotty wrote: On 9/12/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: Just out of curiosity Paul, did you have to work hard to become such an ignorant asshole? Or do you rely purely on natural talent? He gets his training from me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
I remember hacking the mainframe at the University, to get extra core time for large projects. It took them years, (until they replaced the IBM with some kind of Unix cluster), to get rid of my last system login identity. Most University IT personnel are decidedly third rate. On 12/10/2010 9:42 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: I don't know how many restrictions are possible on networked Macs, but faculty are not allowed to even correct the date or time on the college's computers where I work. Our accessibility is limited to basic kiosk functions. Jeffery On Dec 10, 2010, at 5:56 AM, paul stenquist wrote: And John must have gotten his training from Wheatfield:-). Clicking no is a viable solution. Is that why it makes you angry? Paul On Dec 10, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Cotty wrote: On 9/12/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: Just out of curiosity Paul, did you have to work hard to become such an ignorant asshole? Or do you rely purely on natural talent? He gets his training from me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: paul stenquist And John must have gotten his training from Wheatfield:-). Clicking no is a viable solution. Is that why it makes you angry? No, your gratuitously hateful, dog in the manger attitude is what makes me angry. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And John must have gotten his training from Wheatfield:-). Clicking no is a viable solution. Is that why it makes you angry? it's just so negative. They should rephrase the question so he can click Yes. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I remember hacking the mainframe at the University, to get extra core time for large projects. It took them years, (until they replaced the IBM with some kind of Unix cluster), to get rid of my last system login identity. Most University IT personnel are decidedly third rate. better than average, then. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob W And John must have gotten his training from Wheatfield:-). Clicking no is a viable solution. Is that why it makes you angry? it's just so negative. They should rephrase the question so he can click Yes. Or they could fix the program so I don't have to be badgered by the same stupid question over and over and over and over and over and over and ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:11 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Or they could fix the program so I don't have to be badgered by the same stupid question over and over and over and over and over and over and ... - Go to the System Preferences panel. - Click the Time Machine icon. - Click the slider to switch it OFF If you can't do this because of administrative reasons by the people who own the computers, get frustrated with their system management not with Time Machine. They are the ones causing you an annoyance, not Time Machine. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:11 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Or they could fix the program so I don't have to be badgered by the same stupid question over and over and over and over and over and over and ... - Go to the System Preferences panel. - Click the Time Machine icon. - Click the slider to switch it OFF If you can't do this because of administrative reasons by the people who own the computers, get frustrated with their system management not with Time Machine. They are the ones causing you an annoyance, not Time Machine. FWIW, Time Machine *is* already switched to OFF in the System Preferences panel. I can't change anything, but I am allowed to look at it. Time Machine is the tool they're using to badger me. I'm annoyed with both. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On 2010-12-10 16:13 , John Sessoms wrote: FWIW, Time Machine *is* already switched to OFF in the System Preferences panel. I can't change anything, but I am allowed to look at it. it's quite possible for the preferences pane to say Off when the system still is set up to use the Time Machine service; in fact this is how it looks on my machine (because i use another tool to schedule Time Machine to back up at specific intervals instead of continuously through the day) if the IT department has gone so far as to do something like this, they should know how to disable the question when new volumes are mounted, but if they don't, here is the method (from the perspective of people who manage large installations of Macs): http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20080109213724586 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On 2010-12-10 12:03 , Bob W wrote: And John must have gotten his training from Wheatfield:-). Clicking no is a viable solution. Is that why it makes you angry? it's just so negative. They should rephrase the question so he can click Yes. just switch the system language to Amharic and the button will say Aye ;? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On Dec 8, 2010, at 19:47, John Sessoms wrote: Everyone keeps telling me how much better Mac is than windoze, but they can't figure out something as simple as how to store a not to do anything instruction on a hard drive, and Micro$soft can? If you read Mr. McAllister's post, he makes it clear that the reason Time Machine keeps fussing is that it is configured to run (ie, it is ENABLED) but has never been told what drive to back up to. So... you have a please back me up automatically setting in place but have never given it permission to write to anything! Each time it sees an eligible drive, it's like a little puppy: can I write here? how about now? this drive? Turn Time Machine off, already, and then live in blissful, un-backed-up, no-nag freedom. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2010, at 19:47, John Sessoms wrote: Everyone keeps telling me how much better Mac is than windoze, but they can't figure out something as simple as how to store a not to do anything instruction on a hard drive, and Micro$soft can? If you read Mr. McAllister's post, he makes it clear that the reason Time Machine keeps fussing is that it is configured to run (ie, it is ENABLED) but has never been told what drive to back up to. If you read Mr. Sessom's post, he says The computer belongs to the school, and I'm not allowed to change any of the settings on the computer. So telling him to change settings on the computer is not likely to help. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 9, 2010, at 14:55, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2010, at 19:47, John Sessoms wrote: Everyone keeps telling me how much better Mac is than windoze, but they can't figure out something as simple as how to store a not to do anything instruction on a hard drive, and Micro$soft can? If you read Mr. McAllister's post, he makes it clear that the reason Time Machine keeps fussing is that it is configured to run (ie, it is ENABLED) but has never been told what drive to back up to. If you read Mr. Sessom's post, he says The computer belongs to the school, and I'm not allowed to change any of the settings on the computer. So telling him to change settings on the computer is not likely to help. Sounds like he needs to talk to his IT department then. Or go all techno with writing that do not use me for Time Machine file onto each and every external drive he plans to use... Standard users on a Mac do not have the option to disable Time Machine. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I use both actually. I bought PC's as thats what we had at work and thats what i needed. I decided to get a laptop in 2005 and went through similar struggles as to what. I finally chose the iMac over a Toshiba laptop. I wanted it mainly for on the road downloads and storage. Once i got into it, i started to use the PC less and less. I like the fact i can start up the Mac and be on the net or working on a photo before the PC has closed the Intel splash screen I need to upgrade the main computer, the PC has just about had it, and have decided on the iMac. Dave On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote: I've decided to purchase a laptop for RAW image processing. I'm also a budding nature audio recordist, so I'll be doing audio post processing as well. So far I've only played with Bibble and Picassa a bit processing photos. My plan is to give Photoshop and Lightroom a try. I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Those of you who've used image processing software on both platforms, what reasons made you settle on one OS over the other for working images? Thanks, Kent -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Matthew Montgomery On Dec 8, 2010, at 12:46 AM, John Sessoms wrote: OTOH, Time Machine ... not having any way to turn it off so it won't bug me Do you want to use 'LaCie' to back up your hard drive? every time I plug it into the school's computer. If the school wants the computer backed up let 'em buy their own damn drives. All I want to do is save my school work. If the program was worth a damn, you could tell it NO one time and tell it not to ever ask you about it again. Windoze can do that, why can't Mac? Try this. Create a file called '.com.apple.timemachine.donotpresent' at the root of your portable drive. You might find it easier to do this with the Terminal using the following command. touch /Volumes/The Name of Your Drive/.com.apple.timemachine.donotpresent I am pretty sure I have see the option to never use a drive in the Time Machine UI but perhaps something is amiss for you. Thanks. I'll stop by the computer lab at school tomorrow and give that a try. When I get to Terminal, do I type in: /Volumes/jsessoms_mac_drive/.com.apple.timemachine.donotpresent (jsessoms_mac_drive is the name I gave my drive) or do I need to type in: touch /Volumes/jsessoms_mac_drive/.com.apple.timemachine.do not present The school has the Time Machine UI locked down where I cannot get to it. That's what's amiss. There are a couple of reasons I need the configuration stored on my drive rather on the schools machines. They've got a program named Deep Freeze that dumps any changes made to the system while a student is logged on. Even if I could get into Time Machine and configure it, any changes I made would be wiped out when I log off. Plus, I can't be sure I'll always be on the same computer, so I'd have to load that configuration on 75 different computers in three different labs. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-12-08 18:47 , John Sessoms wrote: The computer belongs to the school, and I'm not allowed to change any of the settings on the computer. if the people who administer the computers at school were any good, they'd be turning this off automatically on every Mac they administer; it doesn't make any sense for Time Machine to even be turned on if, as you suggest, these are machines that are re-imaged every night; Macs are made to work well for individuals out of the box, but there are some changes that large installations that have good IT staff will make to better suit a situation like your school's -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 9, 2010, at 6:16 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Matthew Montgomery On Dec 8, 2010, at 12:46 AM, John Sessoms wrote: OTOH, Time Machine ... not having any way to turn it off so it won't bug me Do you want to use 'LaCie' to back up your hard drive? every time I plug it into the school's computer. If the school wants the computer backed up let 'em buy their own damn drives. All I want to do is save my school work. If the program was worth a damn, you could tell it NO one time and tell it not to ever ask you about it again. Windoze can do that, why can't Mac? Try this. Create a file called '.com.apple.timemachine.donotpresent' at the root of your portable drive. You might find it easier to do this with the Terminal using the following command. touch /Volumes/The Name of Your Drive/.com.apple.timemachine.donotpresent I am pretty sure I have see the option to never use a drive in the Time Machine UI but perhaps something is amiss for you. Thanks. I'll stop by the computer lab at school tomorrow and give that a try. When I get to Terminal, do I type in: /Volumes/jsessoms_mac_drive/.com.apple.timemachine.donotpresent (jsessoms_mac_drive is the name I gave my drive) or do I need to type in: touch /Volumes/jsessoms_mac_drive/.com.apple.timemachine.do not present The school has the Time Machine UI locked down where I cannot get to it. That's what's amiss. There are a couple of reasons I need the configuration stored on my drive rather on the schools machines. They've got a program named Deep Freeze that dumps any changes made to the system while a student is logged on. Even if I could get into Time Machine and configure it, any changes I made would be wiped out when I log off. Plus, I can't be sure I'll always be on the same computer, so I'd have to load that configuration on 75 different computers in three different labs. On the other hand, you could just click no when time machine asks if you want to use the drive as a backup. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Charles Robinson On Dec 9, 2010, at 14:55, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2010, at 19:47, John Sessoms wrote: Everyone keeps telling me how much better Mac is than windoze, but they can't figure out something as simple as how to store a not to do anything instruction on a hard drive, and Micro$soft can? If you read Mr. McAllister's post, he makes it clear that the reason Time Machine keeps fussing is that it is configured to run (ie, it is ENABLED) but has never been told what drive to back up to. If you read Mr. Sessom's post, he says The computer belongs to the school, and I'm not allowed to change any of the settings on the computer. So telling him to change settings on the computer is not likely to help. Sounds like he needs to talk to his IT department then. Or go all techno with writing that do not use me for Time Machine file onto each and every external drive he plans to use... Standard users on a Mac do not have the option to disable Time Machine. Already talked to the IT department months ago. He happened to be in the lab one day while I was working on an assignment, and he was absolutely no help. So what I'm going to do is see if the suggested do not use me for Time Machine file will work. I only have the one drive right now, but if the file does work, and I ever need another Mac formatted hard drive, I'll do it for that one too. I don't really want to disable Time Machine, I just want it to leave me alone. I'm perfectly happy for the school to use Time Machine for backup if they want to, but they don't need to be using my hard drive to do it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: P N Stenquist On the other hand, you could just click no when time machine asks if you want to use the drive as a backup. Just out of curiosity Paul, did you have to work hard to become such an ignorant asshole? Or do you rely purely on natural talent? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 9, 2010, at 22:03, John Sessoms wrote: From: P N Stenquist On the other hand, you could just click no when time machine asks if you want to use the drive as a backup. Just out of curiosity Paul, did you have to work hard to become such an ignorant asshole? Or do you rely purely on natural talent? Seemed like a pretty straight statement to me... -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Joseph McAllister My dear Mr Sessions, Not my name BTW ... In your menu bar at the top of the screen, Time Machine has an Icon of a clock face surrounded by ... Your statement is all quite vague. I'll try to make it more explicit. I want Time Machine to go to hell and never darken my door again. It is an abomination. The computer belongs to the school, and I'm not allowed to change any of the settings on the computer. But I can do whatever I want with my own drive. On a Windoze box, there's a little bit of code on the drive, probably in Autorun.inf (that's where I'd put it), where I can store my settings. When I plug that drive into my Windoze box it looks into that file and finds out that I told it I wanted it to do whenever I plug this drive in. The first time I plug a the drive into windoze it asks me what I want to do. One of the options is not to do anything. Another of the options is to do not to do anything every time I plug that same drive into a windoze box. And it stores that instruction not to do anything on the drive itself where it will always find the instruction not to do anything when I plug that drive in. Everyone keeps telling me how much better Mac is than windoze, but they can't figure out something as simple as how to store a not to do anything instruction on a hard drive, and Micro$soft can? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 8, 2010, at 12:46 AM, John Sessoms wrote: OTOH, Time Machine ... not having any way to turn it off so it won't bug me Do you want to use 'LaCie' to back up your hard drive? every time I plug it into the school's computer. If the school wants the computer backed up let 'em buy their own damn drives. All I want to do is save my school work. If the program was worth a damn, you could tell it NO one time and tell it not to ever ask you about it again. Windoze can do that, why can't Mac? Try this. Create a file called '.com.apple.timemachine.donotpresent' at the root of your portable drive. You might find it easier to do this with the Terminal using the following command. touch /Volumes/The Name of Your Drive/.com.apple.timemachine.donotpresent I am pretty sure I have see the option to never use a drive in the Time Machine UI but perhaps something is amiss for you. -- Matthew -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've decided to purchase a laptop for RAW image processing. I'm also a budding nature audio recordist, so I'll be doing audio post processing as well. So far I've only played with Bibble and Picassa a bit processing photos. My plan is to give Photoshop and Lightroom a try. I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Those of you who've used image processing software on both platforms, what reasons made you settle on one OS over the other for working images? Thanks, Kent -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I switched from Windows to Mac several years ago because of the instability of the Windows OS. That reason alone is good enough to justify the switch, but I much prefer Mac software over Windows. Mac has much less office/business software, but much more software to cater to your creative side. The software is almost always available in a trial version that isn't disabled during the trial period, it is updated far more often than Windows software, and it is cheaper much of the time. Several of the programs I am using have free upgrades for life. Jeffery On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Kenton Brede wrote: I've decided to purchase a laptop for RAW image processing. I'm also a budding nature audio recordist, so I'll be doing audio post processing as well. So far I've only played with Bibble and Picassa a bit processing photos. My plan is to give Photoshop and Lightroom a try. I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Those of you who've used image processing software on both platforms, what reasons made you settle on one OS over the other for working images? Thanks, Kent -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenton Brede wrote: I've decided to purchase a laptop for RAW image processing. I'm also a budding nature audio recordist, so I'll be doing audio post processing as well. So far I've only played with Bibble and Picassa a bit processing photos. My plan is to give Photoshop and Lightroom a try. I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Those of you who've used image processing software on both platforms, what reasons made you settle on one OS over the other for working images? Thanks, Kent A story about a MAC http://illuminatiguzzisti.forumcircle.com/viewtopic.php?t=14799; -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Time Machine. Easiest way to back up/restore files that I've come across. Not having to run an antivirus/spyware program. If you're familiar with unix-like OSes, the security model and the underlying workings of the OS will be familiar. And you can open up a shell prompt if you want/need to. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[...] Those of you who've used image processing software on both platforms, what reasons made you settle on one OS over the other for working images? when the PC I previously used for my photo processing, with Lightroom, finally pegged out I decided to buy a Mac to replace it, and a netbook to use for all the other stuff I do. However, when I looked into the options with Macs and compared them with what I eventually bought, a Dell Vostro, I decided that the marginal difference was not worth the extra £1,000- for the Mac. That difference was just slightly higher screen resolution. Everything else was the same spec hardware. As a professional IT person for the last ~30 years I've used enough operating systems to know that fundamentally there's bugger all difference between mac, windows and linux/unix these days, at least for domestic photo management purposes, so in the end it boils down to personal preference and budget. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Obviously, a mentally impaired user. Too much time with a PC. On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:02 PM, mike wilson wrote: Kenton Brede wrote: I've decided to purchase a laptop for RAW image processing. I'm also a budding nature audio recordist, so I'll be doing audio post processing as well. So far I've only played with Bibble and Picassa a bit processing photos. My plan is to give Photoshop and Lightroom a try. I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Those of you who've used image processing software on both platforms, what reasons made you settle on one OS over the other for working images? Thanks, Kent A story about a MAC http://illuminatiguzzisti.forumcircle.com/viewtopic.php?t=14799; -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Kenton Brede I've decided to purchase a laptop for RAW image processing. I'm also a budding nature audio recordist, so I'll be doing audio post processing as well. So far I've only played with Bibble and Picassa a bit processing photos. My plan is to give Photoshop and Lightroom a try. I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Those of you who've used image processing software on both platforms, what reasons made you settle on one OS over the other for working images? Thanks, Kent I use Windoze 'cause it's what I grew old with, starting in PC DOS days. Never used a Mac until I encountered them here where I go to school. If you want a Mac, get one. Unix will run on PC hardware, and Macs are now based on Intel processors. You can run OS-X on a PC by installing one of the unix variations and laying OS-X on top of it. Or so I'm told. I'm using a Toshiba because it was cheap and had more hard-disk for the dollar than any other laptop I saw when I was shopping for a new one. I'm also told there's a Windoze emulator for Unix that will allow the Windoze version of PHotoshop to run on Unix. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mat Maessen On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Time Machine. OTOH, Time Machine ... not having any way to turn it off so it won't bug me Do you want to use 'LaCie' to back up your hard drive? every time I plug it into the school's computer. If the school wants the computer backed up let 'em buy their own damn drives. All I want to do is save my school work. If the program was worth a damn, you could tell it NO one time and tell it not to ever ask you about it again. Windoze can do that, why can't Mac? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My dear Mr Sessions, We have been here before with your Macintosh foibles. Allow an explanation for you. In your menu bar at the top of the screen, Time Machine has an Icon of a clock face surrounded by a counter-rotating arrow, that actually rotates when Time Machine is backing up, every hour if you are using the computer. Not when the computer is asleep though. When you click on that Icon, a drop down lists tells you when the Last Backup was done, asks if you want to force a Back-up Now, in case you typed something earth shatteringly brilliant and are afraid the computer gods will smite you before the next auto-back-up occurs, an Enter Time Machine should you want to retrieve a particularly funny piece of porn your spouse deleted that you know was there day before yesterday, and finally, Open Time Machine Preferences which is what you want to do. NOW! Once that is open, there is a sliding electrical like switch that turns Time Machine off, or on. Turn it OFF. If in the next 24 hours you see any kind of dialog box asking if you want to back up anything to anyplace, it is not Time Machine asking you. You have another program running, like BackUp (comes with the Mac) or Retrospect, which probably came with your LaCie Hard Drive, and may have been set up at the LaCie factory.Your back up software may even be named LaCie for all I know. As a matter of interest, what is the it you are plugging into the school's computer. What is the school's computer? Is it the Mac you are referring to? Is the your hard drive it is asking about the one in a Mac, or your area on the school's server? Your statement is all quite vague. On Dec 7, 2010, at 16:46 , John Sessoms wrote: From: Mat Maessen On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. Time Machine. OTOH, Time Machine ... not having any way to turn it off so it won't bug me Do you want to use 'LaCie' to back up your hard drive? every time I plug it into the school's computer. If the school wants the computer backed up let 'em buy their own damn drives. All I want to do is save my school work. If the program was worth a damn, you could tell it NO one time and tell it not to ever ask you about it again. Windoze can do that, why can't Mac? Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and The eyesight to tell the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptop recommendation
On Dec 7, 2010, at 7:46 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Mat Maessen On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to purchase a mac since it's unix based, but I need a more compelling reason than that to justify spending the extra money. If you're not doing back ups, Time Machine will inquire if you want to do so when you install a drive. It's a good reminder and a shortcut for those who are actually installing a second, third, or tenth dive. If you leave the drive connected, Time Maxhine won't continue to ask you. Most users don't disconnect a drive every day. It's a compromise, but a good one for the most part. Time Machine is able to discriminate in regard to what might normally be considered portable storage. For example, it won't ask if you want to back up to a thumb drive or a memory card. Time Machine backs up my startup drive every day. For that I am most grateful. Paul Time Machine. OTOH, Time Machine ... not having any way to turn it off so it won't bug me Do you want to use 'LaCie' to back up your hard drive? every time I plug it into the school's computer. If the school wants the computer backed up let 'em buy their own damn drives. All I want to do is save my school work. If the program was worth a damn, you could tell it NO one time and tell it not to ever ask you about it again. Windoze can do that, why can't Mac? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-12-07 17:28 , John Sessoms wrote: Unix will run on PC hardware, and Macs are now based on Intel processors. You can run OS-X on a PC by installing one of the unix variations and laying OS-X on top of it. Or so I'm told. no, you can't; a few configurations of Windows hardware can be made to run Mac OS X (google hackintosh), but not by installing unix and laying Mac OS X on top of it but the converse situation works very well -- for the last five years or so any Mac has been capable of running Windows handily in one of two ways: the built-in (free) Boot Camp allows booting the system into Windows when desired, or (my preference) using one of the virtualization tools -- VMWare, Parallels, or Virtual Box (the latter is free) Windows can run simultaneously with Mac OS X; i do this frequently with Win2000 and periodically with XP Win7 and various Linux flavors I'm also told there's a Windoze emulator for Unix that will allow the Windoze version of PHotoshop to run on Unix. it's called Wine, most Linux users are already well enough aware of its pros and cons -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
