[Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale
That is very interesting. Since ebay knows what items have been sold, and they have an absolute restriction that the items must be paid for by using Paypal, I would assume they would eventually follow up on the sale to be sure they are getting there additional Pound of Flesh by? way of the paypal charge. I wonder what they would do, if they contact the buyer and find out he/she paid by personal check or money order ? suspend the seller? I just wonder how they could possibly police this situation for the millions of transactions taking place every week? it would be mind boggling to say the least. In any event the situation is in all aspects, morally intolerable from the standpoint of completing a sale. legal tender is legal tender, and why should they give a sweet you know what, how the sale is completed, as long as they are getting their commission charges ? - Original Message - From: Ron L lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:50:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale Although you can't say it on The bay, I think you can tell buyers after the fact that you will accept other forms of payment. ? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:04 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale ?Okay, it finally happend. Afte defending eBay (mentally if not physically on this board) for a long time, I got my comeupance today.?Two days ago?I put several items on eBa for sale, including a nice Vic III that I have. I am DESPERATELY trying to raise $2800 in a short time to buy a harp to replace?mine (which developed structural problems).? I need to raise this money SOON!? So I listed some phonoe items that were near and dear to my heart, including the III. You may remember what I went through trying to get a back bracket for it. So this morning, I find that eBay has REMOVED my items because I did the unholy deed of saying I accept Paypal and personal checks (held for clearance). Apparently you cannot accept mone order or personal checks on ebay any more. I didn't know this because I don't?read every piece of claptrap that ebay sends me. I use the Turbolister to create my listings, and it caugh that I offered to accept money orders, and it gave me an error code on that. So I changed it. BUT it did NOT give me an error code on the term personal checks.? So I guess some grunt at ebay whose job it is to check such things found it and pulled m auctions. I had $460 in bids on the III when it was pulled. They sent some sort of email to my bidders telling them the items were being pulled. I was FURIOUS. I wrote them an angry letter, and they basicall said too bad. They were nice about it, bt at the end of the letter it said I should not respond because they would not receive it. Nice ?and caring.? Anyhoe I relisted most of the stuff, and the Vic III is item number 110374580209.? I am so desperate to raise the cash that my buy it now on this item is only $1995, which is less money than I have into it. So if you want a deal, there it is.? As for ebay, they disguise their corporate greed behid the veil of 'protecting their sellers from fraud'. They own Paypal, so of course they want you to use it exclusively. Arrgh. Thanks for leting me vent. And thanks for reading this far.? John RObles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lhera...@bu.edu Thu Apr 9 06:51:49 2009 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Thu Apr 9 06:52:24 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale In-Reply-To: 1245664485.49721239284558417.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net References: 001201c9b911$b67fa110$5fd62...@ad.bu.edu 1245664485.49721239284558417.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Message-ID: 001e01c9b91a$54a186d0$5fd62...@ad.bu.edu And what about a local pick up? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:43 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale That is very interesting. Since ebay knows what items have been sold, and they have an absolute restriction that the items must be paid for by using Paypal, I would assume they would eventually follow up on the sale to be sure they are getting there additional Pound of Flesh by? way of the paypal charge. I wonder what they would do, if they contact the buyer and find out he/she paid by personal check or money order ? suspend the seller? I just
[Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale
Exactly. --- On Thu, 4/9/09, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 6:42 AM That is very interesting. Since ebay knows what items have been sold, and they have an absolute restriction that the items must be paid for by using Paypal, I would assume they would eventually follow up on the sale to be sure they are getting there additional Pound of Flesh by? way of the paypal charge. I wonder what they would do, if they contact the buyer and find out he/she paid by personal check or money order ? suspend the seller? I just wonder how they could possibly police this situation for the millions of transactions taking place every week? it would be mind boggling to say the least. In any event the situation is in all aspects, morally intolerable from the standpoint of completing a sale. legal tender is legal tender, and why should they give a sweet you know what, how the sale is completed, as long as they are getting their commission charges ? - Original Message - From: Ron L lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:50:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale Although you can't say it on The bay, I think you can tell buyers after the fact that you will accept other forms of payment. ? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:04 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale ?Okay, it finally happend. Afte defending eBay (mentally if not physically on this board) for a long time, I got my comeupance today.?Two days ago?I put several items on eBa for sale, including a nice Vic III that I have. I am DESPERATELY trying to raise $2800 in a short time to buy a harp to replace?mine (which developed structural problems).? I need to raise this money SOON!? So I listed some phonoe items that were near and dear to my heart, including the III. You may remember what I went through trying to get a back bracket for it. So this morning, I find that eBay has REMOVED my items because I did the unholy deed of saying I accept Paypal and personal checks (held for clearance). Apparently you cannot accept mone order or personal checks on ebay any more. I didn't know this because I don't?read every piece of claptrap that ebay sends me. I use the Turbolister to create my listings, and it caugh that I offered to accept money orders, and it gave me an error code on that. So I changed it. BUT it did NOT give me an error code on the term personal checks.? So I guess some grunt at ebay whose job it is to check such things found it and pulled m auctions. I had $460 in bids on the III when it was pulled. They sent some sort of email to my bidders telling them the items were being pulled. I was FURIOUS. I wrote them an angry letter, and they basicall said too bad. They were nice about it, bt at the end of the letter it said I should not respond because they would not receive it. Nice ?and caring.? Anyhoe I relisted most of the stuff, and the Vic III is item number 110374580209.? I am so desperate to raise the cash that my buy it now on this item is only $1995, which is less money than I have into it. So if you want a deal, there it is.? As for ebay, they disguise their corporate greed behid the veil of 'protecting their sellers from fraud'. They own Paypal, so of course they want you to use it exclusively. Arrgh. Thanks for leting me vent. And thanks for reading this far.? John RObles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9...@pacbell.net Thu Apr 9 07:02:28 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu Apr 9 07:23:06 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Clarification on Mexican 4 minute cylinder Message-ID: 353868.91696...@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com It is 4 minute wax, not Blue Amberol. The Mexican box is the same green box that all 4 minute wax amberols came in but the lid is in Spanish. Not the correct lid, but an original lid. ? ? From jim...@earthlink.net Thu Apr 9 08:43:33 2009 From: jim...@earthlink.net (jim...@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Apr 9 08:44:20 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono items for sale Message-ID: 380-22009449154333...@earthlink.net Dear Mr. Robles, I am interested in the Recorder the two styli if still available. Thanks. All good wishes...
[Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale
John, You can take ck's you just do not put it in your add. If you not a very small number say Pay Pal account required If they do I by pass them. I send them in ask a question if they take cks or cc and they always say yes.Ebay really messed up my account when they hit me with increased fee's that I just did not know about. After three months of trying to get it square-I just do not do pay pal. Abe Feder On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:04 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Okay, it finally happend. Afte defending eBay (mentally if not physically on this board) for a long time, I got my comeupance today. Two days ago I put several items on eBa for sale, including a nice Vic III that I have. I am DESPERATELY trying to raise $2800 in a short time to buy a harp to replace mine (which developed structural problems). I need to raise this money SOON! So I listed some phonoe items that were near and dear to my heart, including the III. You may remember what I went through trying to get a back bracket for it. So this morning, I find that eBay has REMOVED my items because I did the unholy deed of saying I accept Paypal and personal checks (held for clearance). Apparently you cannot accept mone order or personal checks on ebay any more. I didn't know this because I don't read every piece of claptrap that ebay sends me. I use the Turbolister to create my listings, and it caugh that I offered to accept money orders, and it gave me an error code on that. So I changed it. BUT it did NOT give me an error code on the term personal checks. So I guess some grunt at ebay whose job it is to check such things found it and pulled m auctions. I had $460 in bids on the III when it was pulled. They sent some sort of email to my bidders telling them the items were being pulled. I was FURIOUS. I wrote them an angry letter, and they basicall said too bad. They were nice about it, bt at the end of the letter it said I should not respond because they would not receive it. Nice and caring. Anyhoe I relisted most of the stuff, and the Vic III is item number 110374580209. I am so desperate to raise the cash that my buy it now on this item is only $1995, which is less money than I have into it. So if you want a deal, there it is. As for ebay, they disguise their corporate greed behid the veil of 'protecting their sellers from fraud'. They own Paypal, so of course they want you to use it exclusively. Arrgh. Thanks for leting me vent. And thanks for reading this far. John RObles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From smst...@gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:08:25 2009 From: smst...@gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:08:30 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale In-Reply-To: 4e885f140904091032r6455d33dv79bed62ec8852...@mail.gmail.com References: 531326.84228...@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com 4e885f140904091032r6455d33dv79bed62ec8852...@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: 7e8e90ff0904091108n4571de96gf650b90663a50...@mail.gmail.com I thought we had talked about this here. I may be wrong. When eBay forces PayPal they collect a % on shipping fees as well. I thought I had bemoaned the fact that many collectors who are not dealers but very casual sellers will find taking PayPal way to much of a burden for an occasional sell. We collectors tend to fuel eBay with some very nice stuff when we decide to let go. eBay will effectively drive away sellers with good stuff and buyers as well. I don't mean it will doom eBay and super rare stuff will still show up..with the flea market stuff. The middle road people may find it easier to sell in another venue. I will not establish a sellers PayPal account for the few nice pieces I wish sell each year. I've been an eBay member since 1997 and my feedback is a whopping 107. I see many phono items in the last few months for sale on this list. Keep it up. Hey no fees and you are dealing with people you know...sort of Collecting is fun when it is part of a social network, at least to me it is.. Mike On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: John, You can take ck's you just do not put it in your add. If you not a very small number say Pay Pal account required If they do I by pass them. I send them in ask a question if they take cks or cc and they always say yes.Ebay really messed up my account when they hit me with increased fee's that I just did not know about. After three months of trying to get it square-I just do not do pay pal. Abe Feder On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:04 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Okay, it finally happend. Afte defending eBay (mentally if not physically on this board) for a long time, I got my comeupance today. Two days ago I put several items on eBa for sale, including a nice Vic III that I have. I am DESPERATELY trying to raise $2800 in a short time to buy a harp to replace mine (which
[Phono-L] Graphophone K
What is the auction number of this Columbia? In a message dated 4/9/2009 8:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gpaul2...@aol.com writes: I'm amazed - - I expected it would go for twice that much! -Original Message- From: phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Graphophone K Whoever won beat out howard hazelcorn. -Original Message- From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 7:44 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Graphophone K OK, who?s the proud owner? o virus found in this outgoing message. hecked by AVG. ersion: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.49/2050 - Release Date: 4/9/2009 0:27 AM __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0003) From john9...@pacbell.net Thu Apr 9 18:23:00 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu Apr 9 18:23:05 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Items sold and new offer Message-ID: 65933.53214...@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com Hi All Thanks to you generous list members, the only items left from my sale list are: HMV model 104 phono; Marie Dressler cylinder, Rastus Take Me Back; Fireside repro crane. The Model 104 is being considered by three different people, but the remaining items I am going to offer as a discount as a thank you to the list. ? Marie Dressler BA - $95 postpaid Freside repro crane - $20 postpaid ? If interested, let me know off list. Thanks again to all of you who bought. This list is better than ebay! ? From john9...@pacbell.net Thu Apr 9 18:24:36 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu Apr 9 18:24:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Concern Message-ID: 459308.63363...@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com Hi My Vic III sold on ebay. To a guy in China. That sort of scared me, and he only has 11 feedback ratings, but I read every one and they are all for phonograph related items, and they are all very good ratings, a couple by people I know. So I assume he is ok. I just keep thinking of all those crapophones on ebay that come from China..and all those purported antiques..scary. But he seems ok. John From harveykrav...@yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 19:44:55 2009 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:45:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale In-Reply-To: 7e8e90ff0904091437s33d4b46fvb4987650f3f86...@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: 386346.63004...@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com I no longer buy from ebay. I am Phonofreak56 and I have over 1600 pos. feed-backs. I got booted off ebay(no great loss) because I refused to pay by pay pal. Here's what happened: There were 2 newbie sellers that didn't mention pay pal only or required. I win the items and immediately ask the sellers for their address so I can send payment. No response came to me. A few days later, I get an email asking why I haven't paid. I respond that I need an address so I can mail payment, and pay pal only or required was not stated. A few days pass and I get two strikes for non payment. I sent an email saying that pay pal was not mentioned in the auctions. I get a canned answer from someone who doesn't know English. My question was skirted and avoided. The straw that broke the camel's back went like this. I won a really nice VV50 with a 3 digit serial number. I paid for the item and had it in my possession. Then I get a third strike and booted off. Like before, I emailed ebay and the typical response like before. The buyers have no rights and it sucks being at the mercy of an unscrupulous seller. They will take the word of a newbie with 20 pos. feed-backs over some one with over 1600. Go figure. Now I buy from fellow collectors and from shows. F**K ebay. I have no use for it. I notice that ITG classified are getting bigger before the ebay craze. Thanks guys for allowing me to sound off. Harvey Kravitz, Phonofreak56 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 2:37 PM Al, This list is one! Phonographs shows another. My real point was that some of us with really nice stuff (me for one) don't sell often but like John do so from time to time. In the past you just put your item up and tell folks MO or check or ???. Now it's PayPal or nothing. As someone who always felt eBay was a good venue but rarely sell it is not attractive for me and perhaps others if you need a Paypal acct (merchant
