Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet horn
I would recommend this, Bob, as Kurt is a very reputable seller and the price is very good! John Robles From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet horn I have a painted repro cygnet for $275 if you are interested Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, Texas 77389 www.78rpm.com www.TexasReady.net www.MDADA.org www.NewPledge.org E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
Hi John I looked up the # and got nothing is the # correct ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:54:07 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
The listing was removed by the seller and is being relisted. John From: Earl Reynolds uv_2...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Hi John I looked up the # and got nothing is the # correct ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:54:07 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
John, I'm glad to see you created that eBay link describing crap-o-phones. Years ago, I would routinely send a message to eBay bidders suggesting they refer to one of several links that described crap-o-phones. I received many thank you messages from bidders, helping them avoid the pain of buying such junk. Ultimately, eBay banned me under my original eBay name for interfering with a bidding transaction which was its policy at that time. Today, it's not easy to get the bidder or buyer's email address so I'm surprised you were able to help. Good work. Jack Whelan Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:24:39 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
On 3/20/2012 8:35 AM, Earl Reynolds wrote: Hi John I looked up the # and got nothing is the # correct ? Working OK here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/260977570310 -- Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
Thanks, John. I voted for your crapophone review as helpful. I was not even aware that eBay had a Reviews section. Good work! Come to think of it, I don't think you used the word crapophone in your review. Haha! Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
Sorry about the possible blank email. I take a different approach and perhaps thought to be mean spirited by some. If someone wishes to spend $900.00 on a crap o phone I don't involve myself. It is a learning device. If educating yourself is less important than a $900.00 bid why would I purpose the money means as much to them as it does to me? An hour or so on the internet would sort it all out or waste $900 bucks. Oldcranky Mike On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: Thanks, John. I voted for your crapophone review as helpful. I was not even aware that eBay had a Reviews section. Good work! Come to think of it, I don't think you used the word crapophone in your review. Haha! Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: Thanks, John. I voted for your crapophone review as helpful. I was not even aware that eBay had a Reviews section. Good work! Come to think of it, I don't think you used the word crapophone in your review. Haha! Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet horn
Kurt: Has it been striped and decaled? Maybe a pic if possible. Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Nauck Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:31 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet horn I have a painted repro cygnet for $275 if you are interested Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, Texas 77389 www.78rpm.com www.TexasReady.net www.MDADA.org www.NewPledge.org E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet horn
John: thanks for the comments. I agree, I have dealt with Kurt for years, generally on 78s and had great results. I E-mailed him and subsequently called him for a discussion regarding the horn. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:48 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet horn I would recommend this, Bob, as Kurt is a very reputable seller and the price is very good! John Robles From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet horn I have a painted repro cygnet for $275 if you are interested Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, Texas 77389 www.78rpm.com www.TexasReady.net www.MDADA.org www.NewPledge.org E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet suggestion
Thanks Jerry! I can wood grain cygnet horns in Oak or Mahogany. I have also grained Amberola 1 horns and elbows, morning glory horns, Amberola 30 Grills, Paper Mache' MG horns, Victor Brass bell horns cone in mahogany for a Victor VI. The cost for graining a cygnet in either oak or mahogany is $175 plus postage. This cost is for a bare metal horn and includes the decals. If I have to strip paint or repair the horn there is additional cost based on what is needed. I often pick horns up at shows (Union or Wayne) and return them to the next show to save postage. You can contact me off list at this email or at zonoph...@woh.rr.com. Or visit my decal website, http://phonodecal.com and there is a contact link there as well. Thanks! Gregg Cline http://phonodecal.com -Original Message- From: DeeDee Blais [mailto:deedeebl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:46 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet suggestion If you're going to buy a reproduction Cygnet and have it painted, why not have Gregg Cline paint it in an oak woodgrain? In my opinion, it would be must more interesting than a freshly paint black horn. I'd suggest ordering the horn and have it sent to Gregg. He does a wonderful job and applies his excellent decals to the finished horn. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay???
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270936395641ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_500wt_969 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
