Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor
Hi Mike, It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion
Anyone have an opinion on these horns or know the origin? http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-REPRODUCTION-MAHOGANY-WOOD-CYGNET-HORN-EDI SON-OPERA-PHONOGRAPH-/28100366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4170375b9 e Bill On 1/25/13 9:17 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Hi Mike, It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor
Mike, I found a Berliner reproducer repro for $100, not the best quality, I will send photos later. Steve Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:17:28 +1100 From: mtucker1...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] What's Nipper the Trademark Worth? $78 million?
Today I received this weeks Bloomsberg Business Week magazine (Jan 28-February 3rd issue). There is a two page story on the sale of the HMV Group in the UK and the value of the Nipper trademark.). It is not yet ON line - but will in a day or two and I can probably post link. But meanwhile I found a much shorter but similar story (actually a minute-plus video. On the subject. I thought you'd enjoy watching. Here is URL: _http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2013-01-17/one-dog-a-gramophone-and-maybe-a-lot-of-money_ (http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2013-01-17/one-dog-a-gramophone-and-maybe-a-lot-of-money) Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion
These are from Lima, Peru and I believe they are made by the same guy who makes Victor six cabinets, columns, capitals, etc. - so good you can't tell the difference, especially in 10-20 years, when the finish ages. Judging by the quality of the horn in the pic, it will probably have a negative effect on the price of a good quality original Edison... I know that I wouldn't pay big bucks for one, when I can get one that looks just as good for this price. This is part of the same problem that devalued Vogue Picture discs, not just eBay, but when a company like Bear records in Germany reproduces Vogues and they look the same (except for a black edge) it devalues the originals. It's all about supply and demand - if someone provides an adequate supply, demand and price decrease... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:58:58 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Anyone have an opinion on these horns or know the origin? http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-REPRODUCTION-MAHOGANY-WOOD-CYGNET-HORN-EDI SON-OPERA-PHONOGRAPH-/28100366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4170375b9 e Bill On 1/25/13 9:17 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Hi Mike, It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion
Are these similar to the Gfell horns? Any opinion on the quality, authenticity of one vs the other? I am seriously tempted to buy this horn, I think it would look great on my opera. I have a nice opera with an original horn that the previous owner a mediocre restoration job and now it is coming apart again. Bill On 1/25/13 2:18 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: These are from Lima, Peru and I believe they are made by the same guy who makes Victor six cabinets, columns, capitals, etc. - so good you can't tell the difference, especially in 10-20 years, when the finish ages. Judging by the quality of the horn in the pic, it will probably have a negative effect on the price of a good quality original Edison... I know that I wouldn't pay big bucks for one, when I can get one that looks just as good for this price. This is part of the same problem that devalued Vogue Picture discs, not just eBay, but when a company like Bear records in Germany reproduces Vogues and they look the same (except for a black edge) it devalues the originals. It's all about supply and demand - if someone provides an adequate supply, demand and price decrease... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:58:58 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Anyone have an opinion on these horns or know the origin? http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-REPRODUCTION-MAHOGANY-WOOD-CYGNET-HORN-E DI SON-OPERA-PHONOGRAPH-/28100366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4170375 b9 e Bill On 1/25/13 9:17 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Hi Mike, It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion
I would say similar, only because of the photo - I haven't seen one in person - photo looks great and the comment from another buyer seemed to say the same thing. I did see the Vic six case, though, and it was exceptionally well made - if it came from the same guy. It came from somewhere in South America and was at a show several years ago, unfinished top quality mahogany. I think I have seen listings from this same guy in Peru regarding cases and other horns. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:41:17 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Are these similar to the Gfell horns? Any opinion on the quality, authenticity of one vs the other? I am seriously tempted to buy this horn, I think it would look great on my opera. I have a nice opera with an original horn that the previous owner a mediocre restoration job and now it is coming apart again. Bill On 1/25/13 2:18 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: These are from Lima, Peru and I believe they are made by the same guy who makes Victor six cabinets, columns, capitals, etc. - so good you can't tell the difference, especially in 10-20 years, when the finish ages. Judging by the quality of the horn in the pic, it will probably have a negative effect on the price of a good quality original Edison... I know that I wouldn't pay big bucks for one, when I can get one that looks just as good for this price. This is part of the same problem that devalued Vogue Picture discs, not just eBay, but when a company like Bear records in Germany reproduces Vogues and they look the same (except for a black edge) it devalues the originals. It's all about supply and demand - if someone provides an adequate supply, demand and price decrease... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:58:58 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Anyone have an opinion on these horns or know the origin? http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-REPRODUCTION-MAHOGANY-WOOD-CYGNET-HORN-E DI SON-OPERA-PHONOGRAPH-/28100366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4170375 b9 e Bill On 1/25/13 9:17 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Hi Mike, It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion
Eduardo in Peru, his work is excellent. Write him, he answers. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:53:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion I would say similar, only because of the photo - I haven't seen one in person - photo looks great and the comment from another buyer seemed to say the same thing. I did see the Vic six case, though, and it was exceptionally well made - if it came from the same guy. It came from somewhere in South America and was at a show several years ago, unfinished top quality mahogany. I think I have seen listings from this same guy in Peru regarding cases and other horns. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:41:17 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Are these similar to the Gfell horns? Any opinion on the quality, authenticity of one vs the other? I am seriously tempted to buy this horn, I think it would look great on my opera. I have a nice opera with an original horn that the previous owner a mediocre restoration job and now it is coming apart again. Bill On 1/25/13 2:18 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: These are from Lima, Peru and I believe they are made by the same guy who makes Victor six cabinets, columns, capitals, etc. - so good you can't tell the difference, especially in 10-20 years, when the finish ages. Judging by the quality of the horn in the pic, it will probably have a negative effect on the price of a good quality original Edison... I know that I wouldn't pay big bucks for one, when I can get one that looks just as good for this price. This is part of the same problem that devalued Vogue Picture discs, not just eBay, but when a company like Bear records in Germany reproduces Vogues and they look the same (except for a black edge) it devalues the originals. It's all about supply and demand - if someone provides an adequate supply, demand and price decrease... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:58:58 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Anyone have an opinion on these horns or know the origin? http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-REPRODUCTION-MAHOGANY-WOOD-CYGNET-HORN-E DI SON-OPERA-PHONOGRAPH-/28100366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4170375 b9 e Bill On 1/25/13 9:17 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Hi Mike, It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor
Ron, No problems. I will assist if I can. He could contact me offline on mtucker1...@gmail.com. Mike On 26/01/2013 2:17 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: Hi Mike, It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion
Yes, this is the same guy from Peru who makes Victor VI cabinets, horns and Victor VI record cabinets. Just scroll down his listing to the bottom and you will see pics of his other offerings - fabulous... http://www.ebay.com/itm/28100366?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D28100366%26_rdc%3D1 From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:19:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Eduardo in Peru, his work is excellent. Write him, he answers. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:53:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion I would say similar, only because of the photo - I haven't seen one in person - photo looks great and the comment from another buyer seemed to say the same thing. I did see the Vic six case, though, and it was exceptionally well made - if it came from the same guy. It came from somewhere in South America and was at a show several years ago, unfinished top quality mahogany. I think I have seen listings from this same guy in Peru regarding cases and other horns. Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:41:17 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Are these similar to the Gfell horns? Any opinion on the quality, authenticity of one vs the other? I am seriously tempted to buy this horn, I think it would look great on my opera. I have a nice opera with an original horn that the previous owner a mediocre restoration job and now it is coming apart again. Bill On 1/25/13 2:18 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: These are from Lima, Peru and I believe they are made by the same guy who makes Victor six cabinets, columns, capitals, etc. - so good you can't tell the difference, especially in 10-20 years, when the finish ages. Judging by the quality of the horn in the pic, it will probably have a negative effect on the price of a good quality original Edison... I know that I wouldn't pay big bucks for one, when I can get one that looks just as good for this price. This is part of the same problem that devalued Vogue Picture discs, not just eBay, but when a company like Bear records in Germany reproduces Vogues and they look the same (except for a black edge) it devalues the originals. It's all about supply and demand - if someone provides an adequate supply, demand and price decrease... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:58:58 -0600 From: b...@taney.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion Anyone have an opinion on these horns or know the origin? http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-REPRODUCTION-MAHOGANY-WOOD-CYGNET-HORN-E DI SON-OPERA-PHONOGRAPH-/28100366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4170375 b9 e Bill On 1/25/13 9:17 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Hi Mike, It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor Ron, What exactly do you need? The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the governor assembly without shaft? The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc and small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to suit and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. Mike Tucker On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
You might not want to mention the elephant execution either... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:01:46 -0700 From: abefed...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
Thanks for the tip, Abe! I will certainly leave all of that out. Especially the anti-Semitism! --- On Fri, 1/25/13, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 7:01 PM Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison- anti-Semitic???
And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Abe, I have studied Edison for some thirty years. Could you please give me some concrete evidence that Edison was anti-Semitic? Yes...we know that Ford idolized Edison, and we have proof of Ford's antisemitism. But where is the proof for Edison? Edison admired Ford for his inventiveness and business production, but I have yet to find any facts saying that Edison approved or agreed with Ford's anti-Semitic ideas. Please enlighten me and others, if you can. Dennis --- On Fri, 1/25/13, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 7:01 PM Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
Abe, I've read DOZENS of biographies of Edison, and none of them said he was anti-Semitic. Some of them specifically said he was not anti-Semitic. Just because he knew Ford doesn't mean he agreed with him. Also, I don't recall any biographies saying Edison paid low wages or that employees didn't like him. Actually, it was quite the opposite, since my impression was that most loved The Old Man. I believe his closest associates (who helped him the most to develop inventions) tended to be rewarded rather well financially through bonuses. You're correct that his taste in music was very old-fashioned, sometimes odd, and not helped by his poor hearing. Jim Nichol On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
I agree. It's a good idea that I leave that out! Melissa -- On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:28 PM EST Vinyl Visions wrote: You might not want to mention the elephant execution either... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:01:46 -0700 From: abefed...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
I had never heard of it before either until Abe mentioned it tonight. Since I am not an expert, I assumed there was supporting evidence. Glad to hear it may not be completely accurate. Melissa -- On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:47 PM EST Jim Nichol wrote: Abe, I've read DOZENS of biographies of Edison, and none of them said he was anti-Semitic. Some of them specifically said he was not anti-Semitic. Just because he knew Ford doesn't mean he agreed with him. Also, I don't recall any biographies saying Edison paid low wages or that employees didn't like him. Actually, it was quite the opposite, since my impression was that most loved The Old Man. I believe his closest associates (who helped him the most to develop inventions) tended to be rewarded rather well financially through bonuses. You're correct that his taste in music was very old-fashioned, sometimes odd, and not helped by his poor hearing. Jim Nichol On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
Fascinating. I don't recall reading or hearing about his being anti-Semitic, but knowing how common that was I wouldn't be surprised. I know he was no friend to labor and had more than his fair share of strikes. I'm sure those who worked more closely to him felt lucky to be working for such a man or at least felt it would look good on the resume, but I don't think people who were basically factory workers gave more than half a damnthey just needed the job. And let's face it, assembling phonographs all day was probably not the most rewarding career. -Original Message- From: Abe Feder Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
