Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
If Ken or someone replicates them, let me know.I have 2 of the cabinets: one for disc machines and one for cylinders.Thanks Stan Stanford, Portland, OR -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tim Fabrizio Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an "internal" horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles To: phonolist Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen
Mention of Edison's electric pen being the precursor of tattoo artists' instrument brings to mind a new customer, a young man, who came in last week looking for 78s & LPs. He has a Victrola 90 & had an exquisitely tinted & detailed tattoo of a Victrola No. 2 Soundbox on his arm! I'm not at all into tattooing but this was certainly the most beautiful & unusual example I've ever seen. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DanKj Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:29 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen I still want a cement Edison cylinder phonograph ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edison_phonograph_1912.jpg - Original Message - From: "Andrew Baron" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen > Hi John ~ > > A friend sent me this link this morning and I watched the video. This may > sound harsh (for me), but I found it to be typically inaccurate media-mill > fodder, with a catchy segment title to attract a big audience. Seems > they're also catering to the contingent that's hungry to pounce on an > Edison failure, perhaps? > > In reality, wasn't the electric pen Edison's first successful > mass-produced product; i.e., mass produced by Edison's own shops and > marketed in America and Europe, keeping his first factory quite occupied > during its brief heyday? While we know that although the apparatus was > hard to maintain by untrained office staff, conceptually the idea was > successful enough to attract lumber man A. B. Dick, who with the much > simplified "Edison's Mimeograph" put himself on the map as a major office > machine and supplies manufacturer. > > Certainly it is true that the motorized pen was the ideal basis for the > tattoo stylus (or whatever the right word might be). > > A more accurate brief account than the tv.yahoo video: > http://edison.rutgers.edu/pen.htm > > NOW FOR ACCURACY IN REPORTING > Edison's "worst invention" in terms of unsuccessful marketing, must have > been his Electric Vote Recorder, his first issued patent unless I got this > from a flawed history book. None were manufactured beyond the prototype. > > Andrew Baron > Santa Fe > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:48 PM, john robles wrote: > >> Here is a clip on what was called "Thomas Edison's Worst Invention". Of >> course it is not well researched, but it is an interesting wawtch! >> >> http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention- 061926628.html >> >> John Robles >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org >> > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an "internal" horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles To: phonolist Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen
What a stupid, trivial piece of "entertainment" that clip is. After he made the first batch of pens himself, Edison contracted out the manufacturing and sale of the system to Western Electric in Chicago, then sat back and collected at least $10,000 in royalties over the next few years. He also licensed his stencil duplicating patents (and his name) to AB Dick, who turned "Edison's Mimeograph" into the foundation of the modern copying industry. Edison collected about $7,000 in royalties from Dick between 1890 and 1894. Much more info on my site on the electric pen: http://electricpen.org/index.htm http://electricpen.org/ep.htm -- Bill On 8/16/2013 10:48 PM, john robles wrote: Here is a clip on what was called "Thomas Edison's Worst Invention". Of course it is not well researched, but it is an interesting wawtch! http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention-061926628.html John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage
Nice find!!! I have three different styles of these cabinets. Only one is all correct with the paper mache horn and swinging tone arm. I can take some pictures for you if you want. I do have a form to make the horns and have made one already and sold it at the Union Phonograph show. They are a bit complex and very time consuming to make. I hope to make some more horns this winter. Ken Brekke -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:49 PM To: phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage Hi I have a question - A friend of mine found a rare Herzog 742cabinet that fits a cylinder phonograph inside it, and has cylinder drawers below. The model 740, which is similar, is pictured on the cover of Fabrizio and Paul's book Antique Phonograph Gadgets, Gizmos and Gimmicks. It is a rare bird indeed, the only thing is, the proprietary horn is not there. The 740 has a horn attached to the back of the grille which runs by means of a metal tube to the reproducer. Now since both cabinets are different, does anyone know if the 742 had the same proprietary horn? The first incarnation was for outside horn disc machines. Mr's Fabrizio and/or Paul, can you chime in please? John Robles Oh no I am gonna die - I just found out he got it here in my own town! Swoon... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
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[Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage
Hi I have a question - A friend of mine found a rare Herzog 742cabinet that fits a cylinder phonograph inside it, and has cylinder drawers below. The model 740, which is similar, is pictured on the cover of Fabrizio and Paul's book Antique Phonograph Gadgets, Gizmos and Gimmicks. It is a rare bird indeed, the only thing is, the proprietary horn is not there. The 740 has a horn attached to the back of the grille which runs by means of a metal tube to the reproducer. Now since both cabinets are different, does anyone know if the 742 had the same proprietary horn? The first incarnation was for outside horn disc machines. Mr's Fabrizio and/or Paul, can you chime in please? John Robles Oh no I am gonna die - I just found out he got it here in my own town! Swoon... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen
The vote recorder was an early attempt to restrict/prevent ballot box stuffing. It is intuitively obvious that here would be loud and scurrilous resistance to such a device. On 08/17/2013 11:10 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Andrew Yes, it alarms me how badly modern "journalism" is researched, especially items like this that are aimed at the younger public who doesn't have a long attention span. This article gives the impression that the electric pen was a writing instrument, not a tool for creating a stencil. The vote recorder was a failure, I think, because it was sabotaged so much by those who didn't want votes in Congress cast against their purposes. At least I have read of tampering with it in that way. John From: Andrew Baron To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen Hi John ~ A friend sent me this link this morning and I watched the video. This may sound harsh (for me), but I found it to be typically inaccurate media-mill fodder, with a catchy segment title to attract a big audience. Seems they're also catering to the contingent that's hungry to pounce on an Edison failure, perhaps? In reality, wasn't the electric pen Edison's first successful mass-produced product; i.e., mass produced by Edison's own shops and marketed in America and Europe, keeping his first factory quite occupied during its brief heyday? While we know that although the apparatus was hard to maintain by untrained office staff, conceptually the idea was successful enough to attract lumber man A. B. Dick, who with the much simplified "Edison's Mimeograph" put himself on the map as a major office machine and supplies manufacturer. Certainly it is true that the motorized pen was the ideal basis for the tattoo stylus (or whatever the right word might be). A more accurate brief account than the tv.yahoo video: http://edison.rutgers.edu/pen.htm NOW FOR ACCURACY IN REPORTING Edison's "worst invention" in terms of unsuccessful marketing, must have been his Electric Vote Recorder, his first issued patent unless I got this from a flawed history book. None were manufactured beyond the prototype. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:48 PM, john robles wrote: Here is a clip on what was called "Thomas Edison's Worst Invention". Of course it is not well researched, but it is an interesting wawtch! http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention-061926628.html John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Schwegler Bros card?
Hi, A little while back, on UK ebay, there was offered for sale (in PA) an old deck of playing cards, made by Schwegler Bros, (Buffalo, NY) showing the Nipper logo. " _Victor His Master's Voice Logo Trade Advertising Playing Cards ..._ (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victor-His-Masters-Voice- Logo-Trade-Advertising-Playing-Cards-Victrolas-Nipper-/200911876446?pt=LH_De faultDomain_0&hash=item2ec747f15e&sa=U&ei=wa8PUo68E6qBygH944Aw&ved=0CCIQFjAE &usg=AFQjCNH9R_OfMiB51EgnQTVg2xBg-w5byw) www.ebay.co.uk/itm/...Playing-Cards...-/200911876446?... - _Cached_ (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&q=ca che:UNyJMIEsd58J:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victor-His-Masters-Voice-Logo-Tra de-Advertising-Playing-Cards-Victrolas-Nipper-/200911876446%3Fpt%3DLH_Defaul tDomain_0%26hash%3Ditem2ec747f15e%2B%22schwegler+bros%22+playing+cards&gbv=2 &ct=clnk&sa=U&ei=wa8PUo68E6qBygH944Aw&ved=0CCMQIDAE&usg=AFQjCNH0wyCtSWG9ZRyn nZv8VA2DBvraoA) Trade Advertising for Schwegler Bros Popular Music Store selling Victrolas, Sonoras, Player Pianos. This complete deck of 52 cards is in very nice condition with ..." I can no longer "see" that full listing or get the image, so just wondered if anyone saw it, (or saved a picture) of it? Or maybe has such an item, with a scan? Schwegler also had a set with a Victrola XVI on all the backs. Much thanks! Allen K. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen
Hi Andrew Yes, it alarms me how badly modern "journalism" is researched, especially items like this that are aimed at the younger public who doesn't have a long attention span. This article gives the impression that the electric pen was a writing instrument, not a tool for creating a stencil. The vote recorder was a failure, I think, because it was sabotaged so much by those who didn't want votes in Congress cast against their purposes. At least I have read of tampering with it in that way. John From: Andrew Baron To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen Hi John ~ A friend sent me this link this morning and I watched the video. This may sound harsh (for me), but I found it to be typically inaccurate media-mill fodder, with a catchy segment title to attract a big audience. Seems they're also catering to the contingent that's hungry to pounce on an Edison failure, perhaps? In reality, wasn't the electric pen Edison's first successful mass-produced product; i.e., mass produced by Edison's own shops and marketed in America and Europe, keeping his first factory quite occupied during its brief heyday? While we know that although the apparatus was hard to maintain by untrained office staff, conceptually the idea was successful enough to attract lumber man A. B. Dick, who with the much simplified "Edison's Mimeograph" put himself on the map as a major office machine and supplies manufacturer. Certainly it is true that the motorized pen was the ideal basis for the tattoo stylus (or whatever the right word might be). A more accurate brief account than the tv.yahoo video: http://edison.rutgers.edu/pen.htm NOW FOR ACCURACY IN REPORTING Edison's "worst invention" in terms of unsuccessful marketing, must have been his Electric Vote Recorder, his first issued patent unless I got this from a flawed history book. None were manufactured beyond the prototype. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:48 PM, john robles wrote: > Here is a clip on what was called "Thomas Edison's Worst Invention". Of course it is not well researched, but it is an interesting wawtch! > > http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention-061926628.html > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Cement Phonograph (was Electric pen)
From: DanKj I still want a cement Edison cylinder phonograph ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edison_phonograph_1912.jpg Edison was way ahead of the music field with this, as the cement phonograph would have been spectacular playing HARD ROCK! ;-) Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Not rushing old technology in todays fast paced instant I Want It NOw society.
Does the place in the Netherlands, actually make Shellac records. It seems too many people think this old technology is like going to the store and purchasing it and it is ready right away, it would be nice but that is not how it is. It is my understanding it takes a minimum of a day to make the metal parts alone to make a78. Wax cylinders for example take 3-4 hours to make the initial batch of wax, which I make 16lb batches, it must cool for a full day, and then is broken into chunks. (for example I made a batch yesterday, and finished at 5:00 P.M. At 9:30 am it is still warm to the touch. Better wax is made when you heat the wax up twice and cool. (so this takes 3 days) When it is time to mold blanks, a certain percentage of scrap wax is melted first, then the fresh new wax batch is added and it is cooked Prior to moulding it is cooked for about 45 minutes.( Scrap wax is cracked, and broken blanks, trimmed ends and shavings from the shaving machine) I forgot to mention a little scrap wax is used to make the fresh wax. For a test, the wax is poured in the mold and a blank, formed to the standard procedure and is then smashed into pieces to check to make sure the wax is ready , the interior is checked to make sure the wax is the same throughout the thickness, and no bubbles, and no layers or precipitates. If the batch passes this test The blanks are moulded when it is of a normal 75 degrees to 85 the blanks cool in still air which takes 20minuts to an hour, when it is hotter, the blanks are water cooled with warm water. If the test blank does not pass. The wax is adjusted, by adding either stearic acid, or sodium carbonate depending on if it is too hard, too soft, or precipitated. The wax is heated from 20- 45 minutes to adjust the batch. The blanks sit for about 3 hours, although sitting one day is better and are checked to make sure they are cool, and then a standard phonograph mandrel is placed inside, and the bl ank trimmed so that both ends are past each end of the mandrel. The cylinders sit another day, and are then edged and then rough shaven down to half the final thickness in other words about 2.25" thick. Then they are checked on the mandrel again. The blanks are not touched for at least 2 weeks but 30 days is better. You can record on the blanks when they are cool , and get a decent recording, but you get still better recordings when you let them season. If you record too soon on them there is a chance your grooves will shrink slightly or the blank warp a little. The blanks I make usually do not need to be reamed, it happens sometimes. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen
I still want a cement Edison cylinder phonograph ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edison_phonograph_1912.jpg - Original Message - From: "Andrew Baron" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen Hi John ~ A friend sent me this link this morning and I watched the video. This may sound harsh (for me), but I found it to be typically inaccurate media-mill fodder, with a catchy segment title to attract a big audience. Seems they're also catering to the contingent that's hungry to pounce on an Edison failure, perhaps? In reality, wasn't the electric pen Edison's first successful mass-produced product; i.e., mass produced by Edison's own shops and marketed in America and Europe, keeping his first factory quite occupied during its brief heyday? While we know that although the apparatus was hard to maintain by untrained office staff, conceptually the idea was successful enough to attract lumber man A. B. Dick, who with the much simplified "Edison's Mimeograph" put himself on the map as a major office machine and supplies manufacturer. Certainly it is true that the motorized pen was the ideal basis for the tattoo stylus (or whatever the right word might be). A more accurate brief account than the tv.yahoo video: http://edison.rutgers.edu/pen.htm NOW FOR ACCURACY IN REPORTING Edison's "worst invention" in terms of unsuccessful marketing, must have been his Electric Vote Recorder, his first issued patent unless I got this from a flawed history book. None were manufactured beyond the prototype. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:48 PM, john robles wrote: Here is a clip on what was called "Thomas Edison's Worst Invention". Of course it is not well researched, but it is an interesting wawtch! http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention-061926628.html John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen
WHOOPS SORRY it was this segment i made a comment before seeing the link for mysteries still interesting zono In a message dated 8/17/2013 5:16:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zonophone2...@aol.com writes: hi all i was watching a show on the history channel and it was claiming the electric pen went on to be redesigned by a tattoo artist in 1898 to become todays tattoo pen, i wonder what edison thought of this zono In a message dated 8/16/2013 11:37:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, a...@popyrus.com writes: Hi John ~ A friend sent me this link this morning and I watched the video. This may sound harsh (for me), but I found it to be typically inaccurate media-mill fodder, with a catchy segment title to attract a big audience. Seems they're also catering to the contingent that's hungry to pounce on an Edison failure, perhaps? In reality, wasn't the electric pen Edison's first successful mass-produced product; i.e., mass produced by Edison's own shops and marketed in America and Europe, keeping his first factory quite occupied during its brief heyday? While we know that although the apparatus was hard to maintain by untrained office staff, conceptually the idea was successful enough to attract lumber man A. B. Dick, who with the much simplified "Edison's Mimeograph" put himself on the map as a major office machine and supplies manufacturer. Certainly it is true that the motorized pen was the ideal basis for the tattoo stylus (or whatever the right word might be). A more accurate brief account than the tv.yahoo video: http://edison.rutgers.edu/pen.htm NOW FOR ACCURACY IN REPORTING Edison's "worst invention" in terms of unsuccessful marketing, must have been his Electric Vote Recorder, his first issued patent unless I got this from a flawed history book. None were manufactured beyond the prototype. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:48 PM, john robles wrote: > Here is a clip on what was called "Thomas Edison's Worst Invention". Of course it is not well researched, but it is an interesting wawtch! > > http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention- 061926628.html > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen
hi all i was watching a show on the history channel and it was claiming the electric pen went on to be redesigned by a tattoo artist in 1898 to become todays tattoo pen, i wonder what edison thought of this zono In a message dated 8/16/2013 11:37:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, a...@popyrus.com writes: Hi John ~ A friend sent me this link this morning and I watched the video. This may sound harsh (for me), but I found it to be typically inaccurate media-mill fodder, with a catchy segment title to attract a big audience. Seems they're also catering to the contingent that's hungry to pounce on an Edison failure, perhaps? In reality, wasn't the electric pen Edison's first successful mass-produced product; i.e., mass produced by Edison's own shops and marketed in America and Europe, keeping his first factory quite occupied during its brief heyday? While we know that although the apparatus was hard to maintain by untrained office staff, conceptually the idea was successful enough to attract lumber man A. B. Dick, who with the much simplified "Edison's Mimeograph" put himself on the map as a major office machine and supplies manufacturer. Certainly it is true that the motorized pen was the ideal basis for the tattoo stylus (or whatever the right word might be). A more accurate brief account than the tv.yahoo video: http://edison.rutgers.edu/pen.htm NOW FOR ACCURACY IN REPORTING Edison's "worst invention" in terms of unsuccessful marketing, must have been his Electric Vote Recorder, his first issued patent unless I got this from a flawed history book. None were manufactured beyond the prototype. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:48 PM, john robles wrote: > Here is a clip on what was called "Thomas Edison's Worst Invention". Of course it is not well researched, but it is an interesting wawtch! > > http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention-061926628.html > > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
