Re: [Phono-L] What's wrong with this motor?
I would agree *Peace Through Service, * PDG Abe Feder 2012-13 Rotary International *District 5495* cell 602 622-7289 abefed...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 3:40 PM Rich via Phono-L wrote: > Spring is broken > > On 7/15/19 10:50 AM, Robert Wright via Phono-L wrote: > > And how easy is it to fix? > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/w4QGVpMLNGHUuksx9 > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Robert > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] For Sale in Oregon - 1928 Edison C-2 Radio-Phono
Hi Bob, Very interested, could you call me at 602-622-7289 or respond with photos to abefed...@gmail.com Thx Abe Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Robert English drak...@pacbell.net wrote: Thought about this for a long time, and I've decided to sell my long-held 1928 Edison C-2 radio/phono combination. This is not the one in Ohio that was on eBay a while ago. This one is in Oregon, and both the radio and phono work. Selling due to health reasons - my wife will beat the health out of me if I don't unload some of my stuff. I'm asking $2,500.00. To keep this post brief, I'll supply photos and details on request from interested parties. Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
By the way-if you cannot find someone in the area that can do the removal of paint-please contact me I can do the testing and let you know what can be done. A number of folks including Andrew know who I am. Abe Feder The Restoration House LLC 602-622-7289 On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote: That would explain the great sound. I'm also a recipient of Steve's expertise and labor, and count myself very fortunate to be able to say that. Regarding the choice of a Victor III for the Vernis-Martin finish, it wouldn't be the first time that a less than top-of-the-line Victor or Victrola was given this treatment. No doubt in my mind about what you have. The images of the artistic graphics lurking beneath the gold paint are at once haunting, inspiring and compelling. Thanks again for sharing your find and taking the time to produce the video and make it available. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: Thank you so much, Andrew! What a nice email. The reason the sound is so good is because Steve Medved rebuilt that reproducer for us! Unfortunately, the machine did not come with its reproducer, so we put one of our extra ones on it for testing. Steve does such a great job on our reproducers! Thanks again, Melissa From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE! A hearty congratulations Melissa, and thanks for the update. A truly inspiring progress report. Great to see the mandolin and roses under the existing gold paint, and the machine sounds wonderful. How satisfying it must be to have it alive again with its new mainsprings. Looks like new reproducer gaskets and flange as well, underscoring a triumphant recording. Machines like this, that are so rare and have survived more than a century through questionable practices and poor conditions, have real stories to tell. Thanks for sharing this one. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: Hello Everyone, Here is an update on our Mystery Victor III. First, we would like to thank everybody who emailed us with advice and help! You are all wonderful! We were emailed off list about what we now know we really have. It turns out that back in the day, Victor made special custom made cabinet styles for the ultra wealthy. When you are that wealthy, you could get pretty much anything you wanted including a gold Victor with hand painted figures on the sides and all gold plated hardware! The style is called Vernis-Martin and was apparently pretty popular with those who could afford it. The different columns, cabinet style and color were all a special order, which now makes perfect sense. The patent plate was originally on the inside so that it wouldn’t cover the flowers. We were wondering why there were no extra pinholes anywhere on the outside of the cabinet. Now we know. We assumed correctly that the machine had been re-painted during its lifetime and unfortunately, the person who “restored” it painted fresh gold paint right over the original finish and the hand painted decorations! Once we cleaned the cabinet up, you could clearly see a mandolin, sheet music and roses with leaves under the topcoat of paint. You can also see the original bright gold leaf under the ugly new paint. We are in the process of finding an expert in restoring these types of finishes and getting a formal appraisal. It is a good thing we were contacted about this when we were. We were all set to strip the cabinet and refinish it last weekend! What a disaster that would have been. Below is a link to see the machine running for the first time. The machine had two broken springs that we just replaced along with a good motor cleaning. I tried to get a good shot of the mandolin on the left side of the cabinet. I hope you can see it through the paint on Youtube. Please note that the original crank is missing from this machine so we borrowed one from our other Victor III. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQobeO-HfLwfeature=youtu.be We are thrilled to own such a rare machine and it is going to stay in our collection for a while before we ever consider selling it. We certainly want to make it look as nice as we possibly can while still keeping it as original as possible. We will send a post when we find an expert to remove that top layer of paint and try to restore the images underneath. What we thought was a frankenphone turned out to be something special. You never know what you’re going to come across at an auction! Happy Hunting. J Melissa and Nick ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Very, very funny! Abe On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.comwrote: Impressive to say the least. From: kb...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:14:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Every once in a while, a little bit of historical trivia comes to light. Did you know The Goldberg Brothers - The Inventors of the Automobile Air Conditioner. Here's a little factoid for automotive buffs or just to dazzle your friends. The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Maxwell, invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them $3 million for the patent. The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,' on the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was more than just a little anti - Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this day, all Ford air conditioners show -- Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max -- on the controls. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
Hi All, Well I didn't think I would not get much interest in the statement but let me say this. I am of Jewish background and am married to a Christan and my closest friend is a Muslim who lives in Pakistan, who calls me brother. I have no axe to grind. But sometimes without knowing it we look at an individual and say that person is something special I should be like them, or I have not achieved what they have done so I am not as great. Today I think that it is important to know what our values are and what we believe in so that only do we know who we are but when we face someone they know in a short time who we are. Addressing a group of 300 college students in June in Pakistan brought that out and they knew, in a very short period of time who I was. I did not do specific research on Edison to prove or disprove that he was anti-Semitic-but he was very careful about which ones he associated with-just like Ford and he was very opposed to the fact that beyond the very Orthodox many were very liberal and he was very conservative. It was a sign of the times but often as time goes on we forget the negative and only think about the postives. I just wanted Melissa to know that while I think that Edison was a great man in his own way and that is the story that I told my children and my grandchildren-that he doesn't walk on water. There is a lot of other data as well but a number of members have already brought some of it out and I don't want to beat this to death...Melissa can tell the kids what she thinks is best. Abe On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: Google: was Thomas Edison anti semitic http://www.nndb.com/people/333/22267/ Like his friend Henry Ford, Edison was virulently anti-Semitic and blamed Jews for all of the world's major problems. This quote is according to the above website, which is a bio of TAE. It certainly isn't surprising, since Jews were not popular at that time (or now for that matter) in the US and the rest of the world - not just Germany. That's why a boat full of Jewish emigrants escaping from Nazi Germany and the holocaust of WWII were turned away by the US and other countries, even though it cost them their lives to return. Just saying Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:33:51 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) If you google edison antisemite you will come across an astonishing and lengthy screed about how the Jews created Hollywood so they could peddle filth and undermine Christian morals. It begins with the struggle of Jews to wrest filmmaking away from the Edison Trust, and strays into communism, socialism, Disney, unions, Unamerican Activities, and Howard Hughes. I didn't follow any of the other google links, having reeled away from the computer after reading that paranoid dump from which it is impossible to sift any kernels of truth. But to get back to some useful information about Edison, he didn't invent the light bulb. He did make it practical in many ways, from developing a thin carbon filament with high electrical resistance to devising all the other elements of a complete electrical system: generators, wiring, conduits, switches and cutouts, means of measuring electricity consumed, etc. He was an astonishing businessman. The most money he made came not from the light bulb, the phonograph, or telegraphy -- it came from his alkaline batteries, which made electric cars practicable. He dabbled in cement and designed houses and furniture molded out of cement. His last project was to synthesize rubber (from goldenrod) -- not a great success. Cheers, Chris ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Arizona collectors?
Hi John, You may not remember me but I bought a machine from you. I am in Mesa and another collector that I have become friends with lives in central Phoenix. I know of one other collrctor who lives in Tucson. I know of a few others that I have never met that belong to CAPS, bit they hsve not attended a show in the past 5 years. My contact info is 480-839-5320H 602-622-7289 Call when you get in town Abe Feder Sent from my Verizon Wireless Device john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Thanks! From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, July 4, 2012 2:04:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Arizona collectors? John, I will be moving to Sedona, Arizona at the end of August. You can give this fellow my email address if you'd like: appywander 'at' hot mail 'dot' com. Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:07:45 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Arizona collectors? Happy Independence Day, all! I received an email message from a collector in Arizona who would like to know if there are any clubs or other collectors who wold like to talk/share their collections in Arizona. Any leads are appreciated Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison A-200 For Sale
Hi Jerry I actually have one of these and think it is a really nice machine-but I am still looking for a 250 A or B in Oak. I know that I will have a better chance of finding one at a big show, but this year and next are probably out. Rotary is sending me off to Bangkok and we are planning side trips to Pakistan and Afghanistan- yeah I know but that is where work in peace and conflict resolution is going on and that's what Barb and work in for Rotary. Rotary pays for part of the trip and Barb and I pay for the rest so travel money is going in another direction. If I pay to go to the show I will not have any money to buy anything-damn!. In any case if you happen to come across a unit maybe you can give me a call from the show and I can talk to seller or perhaps you can have call me or gather the info for me to call them later. you and I can work out how to get it here. Talk to you soon Abe On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:44 PM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I am selling a very nice and early A-200 Edison Diamond Disk serial number 2274. The finish is mahogany and the deck is as nice as I've ever seen. The reproducer is nickel and it needs a new stylus but it includes an adaptor to play regular 78s. I have a variety of photos to send to anyone interested. Please contact me at jerry.bl...@yahoo.com or call 541-990-0781. Thanks! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Anyone in Phoenix repair phonographs?
Matthew, There is one person but he is not taking on much work anymore because as he says I am getting really old. His name is Austin Henry and you can reach him at 602-943-3512. If you explain you situation to him perhaps he will take it on. I live in Mesa and Austin has shown and taught me a number of things though I am by far not an expert. Worst case is we get together and I look at it for you and see if I can help. Abe On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Is this a wind up phonograph? If so, Wyatt's Musical Americana in California or George Vollema, Great Lakes Antique Phonographs would both be closer than the East Coast (Antique Phonograph Supply in NY). And are you any relation to Peter Bullis, manager and Banjoist of the New Black Eagle Jazz Band? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Bullis Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 6:48 AM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Anyone in Phoenix repair phonographs? Hello, it looks like it's been three years since I've been on this list, as I found my old postings in the archives. I've just acquired another phonograph, this one smaller than the German one I already have. This one says His Master's Voice on it, but doesn't appear to have a model number of any kind. It has a cloth-covered horn, and no doors like my other phonograph, so you can't change the volume. The motor is very quiet, and the sound that eminates from the horn is very loud, even with the soft needles I use. The problem is that the speed varies. Even with the speed lever there, it changes from regular to faster than normal. Apart from that, this is a wonderful machine. I've read online, and it appears that the cause of this problem is that the governor is either in need of adjustment, or more likely a complete replacement. I have read that this isn't one of the more expensive jobs, compared to soundbox rebuild or other internal repairs. There are two main reasons why I wouldn't attempt this myself. First, I haven't done this before, and second, since I'm blind, though good with my hands in taking apart autoharps and generally good with tools and such, I wouldn't want to tackle this project on such a machine. I've looked, and it appears that there isn't any shop who deals with this on the west coast at all. Is it all on the east coast? If anyone in Phoenix, either a shop or privately, would tackle such a project, I'd certainly pay for your services. I tried Dynatronics, but they mainly deal with vintage reel to reel and stereos, and the one person they said who did deal with this was in his upper eighties and died, leaving no one at that business who could work on this. I'd really like to get this machine sounding nice, so can anyone help? Wow OK, didn't mean to go on so long for my first post back on this list in a few years, but once my typing fingers start going, they tend not to stop until the thoughts are conveyed. Thanks a lot. Matthew, apparently an old soul who loves old technology, at age 32. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Test
Got it-Abe On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:22 PM, phonofo...@aol.com wrote: I did not get this message. ;) Try again Loran. ;) In a message dated 7/31/2011 2:31:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lo...@oldcrank.com writes: Been working on the server this morning. Just making sure everything is up running! Thanks, Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Clarence Ferguson book edition available
Heck John, Count me in as well on one of these- now I got to find another postage stamp Abe Feder On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote: John, Please count me in. I'd love to buy one of these Ferguson transcriptions. It sounds beyond fascinating. Andy Baron On Jun 13, 2011, at 11:35 PM, john robles wrote: Hello All Due to the importance of sharing this information with the collecting community (and after a search of the United States Copyright Office!), I am happy to announce that I am offering, in a new and very readable format, the Clarence Ferguson interview taped and transcribed y Leo Kimmet in 1968, where he conducts a lengthy conversation Ferguson that is full of vital and fascinating inside information. Ferguson was employed in the Edison phonograph factory since 1907 and eventually became an Edison Phonograph dealer, who had new old stock to sell in both parts and records up until the 1950s/60s. He was known as the 'last Edison dealer', Some of you may remember the booklet, entitled The Edison Phonograph Company and Related Opinions of Clarence Ferguson'. It was published in a limited number in 1972. Chapters include 'Records and Recording', 'Phonograph Repairing', 'The Edison Plant', 'Phonograph Parts', 'Recording Artists' and 'Miscellaneous Information'. You won't believe what happened to a lot of new phonographs and record moulds when the plant was closed...And what happened to all the master cylinder moulds in the early 1930s at Babson Brothers... The new edition is printed in 8-1/2 x 11 format, with glossy cover, with the addition of a photo of Clarence, a photo Leo Kimmet, and the reproduction of Clarence's stamp with picture of an Edison phonograph with Edison's face inside the horn and Clarence's address above. As a special bonus, I have acquired a number of the original cylinder box labels that Clarence had printed up and which he would apply to original Edison Blue Amberol boxes. One of Clarence's original labels will be included with each book sold. There are a limited number of 100 labels available, so if you are interested please order soon. The price is $12.50 including Media Mail shipping in the US. International rates will be higher. Pament can be made by Paypal or by check. Please feel free to ask questions. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Books for sale
Hi john, Ck went in the mail box today-send it to Abe Feder c/o Framin' Works 7520 S. Rural Rd Suite A 3-4 Tempe AZ 85284. Thx for the book look forward to it Abe On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:24 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hi Abe Go ahead and email me your address and I'll send the book out so you don't have to waqit. Thanks John --- On Wed, 6/8/11, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Books for sale To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 10:54 AM Media mail is fine John-if you send me an email with your address I will send you a ck as well as the send too. Good doing business again with you. Abe On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:22 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Oops, thought this was private, sorry! Well, as you can all tell, the Stereo View book is claimed, I have received several emails, and one person is considering several titles which I told him were available. Once I have that response I will answer other emails in order, privately. Thanks John --- On Tue, 6/7/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Books for sale To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 7:16 PM You are the first responder, so it is yours. Media mail ok? That's the cheapest tho slowest way. John --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Books for sale To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 5:19 PM Hi John, If no one has steped up I will take the book on stereo views,just let me know, Abe Feder On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:13 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all I am cleaning out a bookshelf (to make room for records of course) and I have nine titles below that may be of interest. They are as follows: The Musical Box Handbook Vol 1 - Cylinder Boxes by Graham Webb The Musical Box Handbook Vol 2 - Disc Boxes by Graham Webb These are two volumes that I think are out of print now. Volume 1 is 143 pages and volume 2 is 316 pages. They are excellent repair manuals for both types of box and are loaded with pictures, history, manufacturers and diagrams. I'd like $15 each or $25 for the set. Player Piano Treasury by Harvey Roehl. Harvey ran the Vestal Press, a great publishing house of automatic musical books. This copy is a hardback and is autographed. Loaded with player piano history, photos, prchestrion photos, all kinds of great stuff. I'd like $10 for this. Put Another Nickel In by Q. David Bowers. A great reference on automatic music making machines. Large format hardback with dust jacket, 248 pages, loaded with pics, ads for everything from coin pianos to huge orchestrions and other automatic instruments. $15. The American Reed Organ by Robert F. Gellerman, a hardback treatise on reed organs with a huge amount of pics, ads, specifications, repair procedures, etc. First edition large format hardback with dust jacket (somewhat tattered on spine, 170 pages. $10. Gellerman's International Reed Organ Atlas by Robert Gellerman.170 page trade paperback listing reed organ manufacturers and historical notes on many many companies throughout the world. If you want to know who made your organ, this is the book! $10. Collectible Sheet Music - The Gold in your Piano Bench by Marion Short. Trade paperback, 176 pages. 1988 version with TONS of color pics of sheet music from the beginning to the 40s and 50s. Tons of great stuff. $8 The Sheet Music Reference and Price Guide by Anna Marie Guiheen and Marie-Reine A. Pafik. Trade paperback, 295 pages, listed by title with chapters on performers and authors and miscellaneous categories. 1992 version, but a good reference source. $8 Stereo Views - A history of stereographs in America and their Collection by William Culp Darrah. Hardback, 255 pages. A very rare book on the history of stereo view cards and viewers, manufacturers, Civil War views, Western Views, categories of views arranged alphabetically. Lots of pics and a value guide (this was published i 1964). A great book for those who collect stereopticons and cards. $20. Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Books for sale
Media mail is fine John-if you send me an email with your address I will send you a ck as well as the send too. Good doing business again with you. Abe On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:22 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Oops, thought this was private, sorry! Well, as you can all tell, the Stereo View book is claimed, I have received several emails, and one person is considering several titles which I told him were available. Once I have that response I will answer other emails in order, privately. Thanks John --- On Tue, 6/7/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Books for sale To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 7:16 PM You are the first responder, so it is yours. Media mail ok? That's the cheapest tho slowest way. John --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Books for sale To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 5:19 PM Hi John, If no one has steped up I will take the book on stereo views,just let me know, Abe Feder On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:13 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all I am cleaning out a bookshelf (to make room for records of course) and I have nine titles below that may be of interest. They are as follows: The Musical Box Handbook Vol 1 - Cylinder Boxes by Graham Webb The Musical Box Handbook Vol 2 - Disc Boxes by Graham Webb These are two volumes that I think are out of print now. Volume 1 is 143 pages and volume 2 is 316 pages. They are excellent repair manuals for both types of box and are loaded with pictures, history, manufacturers and diagrams. I'd like $15 each or $25 for the set. Player Piano Treasury by Harvey Roehl. Harvey ran the Vestal Press, a great publishing house of automatic musical books. This copy is a hardback and is autographed. Loaded with player piano history, photos, prchestrion photos, all kinds of great stuff. I'd like $10 for this. Put Another Nickel In by Q. David Bowers. A great reference on automatic music making machines. Large format hardback with dust jacket, 248 pages, loaded with pics, ads for everything from coin pianos to huge orchestrions and other automatic instruments. $15. The American Reed Organ by Robert F. Gellerman, a hardback treatise on reed organs with a huge amount of pics, ads, specifications, repair procedures, etc. First edition large format hardback with dust jacket (somewhat tattered on spine, 170 pages. $10. Gellerman's International Reed Organ Atlas by Robert Gellerman.170 page trade paperback listing reed organ manufacturers and historical notes on many many companies throughout the world. If you want to know who made your organ, this is the book! $10. Collectible Sheet Music - The Gold in your Piano Bench by Marion Short. Trade paperback, 176 pages. 1988 version with TONS of color pics of sheet music from the beginning to the 40s and 50s. Tons of great stuff. $8 The Sheet Music Reference and Price Guide by Anna Marie Guiheen and Marie-Reine A. Pafik. Trade paperback, 295 pages, listed by title with chapters on performers and authors and miscellaneous categories. 1992 version, but a good reference source. $8 Stereo Views - A history of stereographs in America and their Collection by William Culp Darrah. Hardback, 255 pages. A very rare book on the history of stereo view cards and viewers, manufacturers, Civil War views, Western Views, categories of views arranged alphabetically. Lots of pics and a value guide (this was published i 1964). A great book for those who collect stereopticons and cards. $20. Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Books for sale
Hi John, If no one has steped up I will take the book on stereo views,just let me know, Abe Feder On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:13 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all I am cleaning out a bookshelf (to make room for records of course) and I have nine titles below that may be of interest. They are as follows: The Musical Box Handbook Vol 1 - Cylinder Boxes by Graham Webb The Musical Box Handbook Vol 2 - Disc Boxes by Graham Webb These are two volumes that I think are out of print now. Volume 1 is 143 pages and volume 2 is 316 pages. They are excellent repair manuals for both types of box and are loaded with pictures, history, manufacturers and diagrams. I'd like $15 each or $25 for the set. Player Piano Treasury by Harvey Roehl. Harvey ran the Vestal Press, a great publishing house of automatic musical books. This copy is a hardback and is autographed. Loaded with player piano history, photos, prchestrion photos, all kinds of great stuff. I'd like $10 for this. Put Another Nickel In by Q. David Bowers. A great reference on automatic music making machines. Large format hardback with dust jacket, 248 pages, loaded with pics, ads for everything from coin pianos to huge orchestrions and other automatic instruments. $15. The American Reed Organ by Robert F. Gellerman, a hardback treatise on reed organs with a huge amount of pics, ads, specifications, repair procedures, etc. First edition large format hardback with dust jacket (somewhat tattered on spine, 170 pages. $10. Gellerman's International Reed Organ Atlas by Robert Gellerman.170 page trade paperback listing reed organ manufacturers and historical notes on many many companies throughout the world. If you want to know who made your organ, this is the book! $10. Collectible Sheet Music - The Gold in your Piano Bench by Marion Short. Trade paperback, 176 pages. 1988 version with TONS of color pics of sheet music from the beginning to the 40s and 50s. Tons of great stuff. $8 The Sheet Music Reference and Price Guide by Anna Marie Guiheen and Marie-Reine A. Pafik. Trade paperback, 295 pages, listed by title with chapters on performers and authors and miscellaneous categories. 1992 version, but a good reference source. $8 Stereo Views - A history of stereographs in America and their Collection by William Culp Darrah. Hardback, 255 pages. A very rare book on the history of stereo view cards and viewers, manufacturers, Civil War views, Western Views, categories of views arranged alphabetically. Lots of pics and a value guide (this was published i 1964). A great book for those who collect stereopticons and cards. $20. Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] How long do you leave Kotton Kleanser on.
I have used Kotton Kleanser for years and have had great luck with it in the art restoration field. I have used it on phonographs on many occasions. Go slow is the best advice I can give. On normal surfaces I leave it on for 5 minutes or so and than wipe down, but I repeat the process until no more dirt comes up. I than take a white scotch brite pad and do one more pass. On the decal areas I use the same method but I work around the decal with q tips until my last pass before the scotch brite pad. Than I carefully clean that area-DO NOT GO OVER THE DECAL WITH THE SCOTCH BRITE PAD. Abe Feder On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:31 PM, William Taney b...@taney.com wrote: I am about to clean up a cabinet with Kotton Kleanser and want to know how long should it be left on before wiping? Is it safe on the decals? Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Off Topic - Radio Conversion
I agree-I have purchased a couple of lowboy Victors and have a beautiful Brunswick as well as a couple of off brand name machines-but like the look and style of the type of work that is hard to find today. I guess being an art and antique restorer just adds to the fact that I love how these machines look. Abe On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:22 PM, William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com wrote: Abe: I think I happen to live in a good location (New England) for this type of machine. Many of the earliest broadcasting stations were in the Northeast and I believe that once AC-powered radios were practical and on the market, folks put their battery sets in the attic and forgot about them. They were a pain in the butt to power and use. Some of the combo machines stayed in the house for the phonograph but today these are often found without the radio. I bought two without radios out of barns but found sets to go into them elsewhere to make a complete set. The early AC radio-phonograph (Panatrope, Electrola) are fantastic devices built like tanks, heavy as hell, and fantastically laid out with beautiful wood, brass or gold hardware, interesting compartments and configurations, and some even have mechanical devices to change records. They are magnificent machines and if I had the money and the space, I would fill a building with them. No table-top, Art Deco, Bakelite sets for me! Nothing like listening to old music and radio shows through a combo machine with an Orthophonic horn. GrnMountainBill On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: GmMountainBill, You are very lucky, I have been into the antique phonograph hobby about 4 years and have not had a chance to come across any of the radio/phonograph combo's that you list in the wilds of Arizona. While I have gone to the CAPS show the last 3 years I have not seen any of them there either. But one day... Abe On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:44 AM, William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com wrote: I did the same thing since poor AM reception and terrible programming does not lend itself to quality listening time on my old radios. The transmitter works very well and covers my whole house and part of the yard. I am most fond of early radio/phono combination machines like the Brunswick Radiola 160 and III and the Victor 7-11, Victor V V-7-30S, and Electrola RE-57. They are big but they are beautiful. Regards, GrnMountainBill On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: Well-I just went the old radio route myself and found a low wattage AM transmitter that puts out a signal that you tune to a dead spot on the AM dial. I hooked it up to my CD player and you should see the look on friends faces when I turn it on and you hear The Shadow knows It works really well and having a couple of hundred old radio programs on CD I really enjoy listening to it-and while it might be these old ears it sounds better on this big ol' Zenith than on my up-to-date system. Abe On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: A guy was recently throwing this old radio in the trash... it was under a house for years, muddy, rusted guts, black plastic painted with white house paint... trash!!! So, I did what any normal scavenging collector would do, I recycled it. I made it into a retro iPod dock which charges my iTouch and plays wonderful old radio music on Radio Dismuke or whatever source. I never got into radios like phonos, because I didn't want to listen to current music on an old radio... part of the nostalgia of phonographs is the actual music played just like it once was. Now it's the best of both worlds. Curt -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: Snap_2011.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 81598 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20110424/9be94174/attachment.jpg -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: Snap_2011_2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 81518 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20110424/9be94174/attachment-0001.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono
Re: [Phono-L] Off Topic - Radio Conversion
Well-I just went the old radio route myself and found a low wattage AM transmitter that puts out a signal that you tune to a dead spot on the AM dial. I hooked it up to my CD player and you should see the look on friends faces when I turn it on and you hear The Shadow knows It works really well and having a couple of hundred old radio programs on CD I really enjoy listening to it-and while it might be these old ears it sounds better on this big ol' Zenith than on my up-to-date system. Abe On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: A guy was recently throwing this old radio in the trash... it was under a house for years, muddy, rusted guts, black plastic painted with white house paint... trash!!! So, I did what any normal scavenging collector would do, I recycled it. I made it into a retro iPod dock which charges my iTouch and plays wonderful old radio music on Radio Dismuke or whatever source. I never got into radios like phonos, because I didn't want to listen to current music on an old radio... part of the nostalgia of phonographs is the actual music played just like it once was. Now it's the best of both worlds. Curt -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: Snap_2011.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 81598 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20110424/9be94174/attachment.jpg -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: Snap_2011_2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 81518 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20110424/9be94174/attachment-0001.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] AM Transmitter
Thats the one I got!-via antique radio Supply here in sunny AZ. Abe On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com wrote: The very best AM transmitter kit, IMH), is the SStran. web: www.sstran.com i...@sstran.com This is a very easy to build kit and can be bought in a couple of different variations of completion. It works very well on all floors and most of the yard. Bruce Mercer ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Amberola Graphic
Barry I would think that would make a great resource-I have a few issues but have not been able to gather many. Abe Feder On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.comwrote: Hi, I subscribed to this a long time ago and have most of the issues Martin printed. I am not sure if he will ever make anymore but I assume not. I can scan them and make them available online if there is any interest. It will take a while to locate them and I may need a few fills. -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Christmas Phonograph Bonanaza!!!
Greg, Can you send me a couple of additional pictures on the Columbia BI and the Edison home. Are there any dents on the BI's horn and is the finish just worn through on the Edison case or is it flaking and does it have the back bracket and top? If you will send me your phone number I will call you to discuss these 2 machines further. Thx in advance Abe Feder PS by the way we have a good safe home for these machines-as an art restorer I promise-NO beatings!!! On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Gregory Cline gwpho...@woh.rr.com wrote: It is time for the Christmas Phonograph Bonanza!!! It is time to downsize my Collection a bit. So, the following items are looking for a good home. I have listed a brief description and the price. A few photos can be seen at the link below. http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=displayboard=for salethread=1100 board=forsalethread=1100 If you have any questions, need additional photos please contact me off list. Thanks for looking!!! Prices area before shipping. I can provide free delivery to the shows in North Carolina, Wayne or Union if you want to wait that long. Gregg Cline zonoph...@woh.rr.com 1. Columbia BI Sterling. Nice nickel horn, turntable ring original finish. $1450 2. Columbia BNW with original Wooden Panel Horn. Original finish on horn, body looks to be top coated and new decal. Plays great. $1800 3. Edison Gem Model D. K reproducer, Cabinet has original finish. Casting has been professionally restored. Crane is repo and horn has been repainted. This machine presents great! $950 4. Talk-o-phone Herbert in Mahoganized finish. Original finish, repro crank and new decal. $950 5. Columbia model N c. 1895. Stunning original machine with original finish, decal, nickel plating. Great tag in the lid with Bell Tainter patent info from 1894. No Horn. $1750 6. Edison Bell Cylinder machine Type A. This is the only example of this type of machine I have ever seen. It is very small cute.. The only marking is an embossed tag on the front that says Edison Bell Type A No 140. It has a very unique look and presents well. All original with the possible exception of the crank which may be a clock crank. $950 7. Edison Home model E. Nice machine with Diamond B Reproducer. Original finish on cabinet. Bedplate has been professionally restored. Original Crank. $650 8. Edison Spring Motor. This machine has a Class M upper works with All brass recessed mandrel, Class M Carriage, Automatic reproducer, SN 23750, U.S. Phonograph tagged crank, Original; cabinet with original finish, Early motor with open gears and round ball governor. The bedplate has been restored and the end-gate has been replaced. Original 14 inch black and brass horn. $3500 9. Busy Bee Grand. Original finish, decal and horn paint. Five 10 inch Busy Bee records. Original Turntable with half of the lug. Blow out price.$300!! 10. Black and Brass cylinder horn with original flowers on the cone. Rare. Horn needs cleaned up . There is some paint loss on the black pain. Most of the flowers are there. $300 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Reproduction Victor album sets?
Hi All, Almost all machines that I look at are either missing the albums, or they are coming apart. It would seem to me that the market is there but I am pretty new to the hobby. While viewing that issue I can tell you that in being involved in the vintage car hobby that almost all parts suppliers meet with great success when they repro a part. I guess it all comes down to 3 things. What will the investment be, what is the min order and will people pay the price for the items. Viewing eBay I find that even a crummy set of albums for a XVI have sold in many cases for $125-150 more when you add shipping. There seems to be a great number of different models that can use the same album style. I would think that you would do the style that would have the widest use factor. Just my thoughts Abe Feder On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Which brings me to the point: Does anyone here know the current ownership status of the famous trademark? I'm reposting the Rolfs' email on the Nipper Trademark: Jim Nichol From: Robin Rolfs nip...@dataex.com Subject:[Phono-L] Rights to HMV Date: September 25, 2008 3:28:38 PM EDT To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Greetings, We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. In short, Nipper and the His Master's Voice along with RCA, once the most powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized findings: RCA is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the His Master's Voice trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace Defense combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication Corp. England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for their HMV stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as The Victor Company of Japan, now owned by Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold internationally. Since no single entity owns the trademark, its use for other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes unchallenged. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Which brings me to the point: Does anyone here know the current ownership status of the famous trademark? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cylinders For Sale
As well for me Abe On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Jim S. goaldigge...@att.net wrote: Ditto for me as well. Thanks! Jim Sattler Smyrna, TN - Original Message - From: lkatzin...@chartermi.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cylinders For Sale Hi Darrell, I'd like the list. And, how do I subscribe? Best wishes, Leon Katzinger ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Lots of Stuff for sale!
Don- I know you are trying to sell the lot-but if you come across any good gold plated parts for an early 4door credenza let me know. Thx in advance Abe On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Don Henry phonowo...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a whole bunch of parts including turntables, tonearms, complete motors, parts motors, cabinets, that I would like to sell in bulk. There are about 20 milk crates full of goodies. Most of this I acquired from Neil Maken's inventory about 7 years ago. I recently dug it out of storage and would like to find it a good home. I figure a fair price on the lot is $2500. You have to come pick it up in West Los Angeles. If interested...conatact me at phonowo...@hotmail.com. Thanks all! Don Henry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] CAPS
Hi All, While my view of the show was a short one-I drove in from Mesa Az. with my wife to pick up a machine that I had bought from CL in Portland that Jerry was kind enough to go look at and haul to the show-and turned around in an hour or so and drove back-I think it is just a reflection of what is taking place in the economy. While I do art restoration I do own a retail picture frame and art shop and I can tell you business stinks!. It has for 3 years and I think it will for at least 3 more. The retail side of this show is just Sunday and while some machines may change hands before and there may have been a lot of good ones at the show that is not a true indication of what has taken place. Sunday is. That is when someone who may have a casual interest in just getting a machine, or who has just gotten into the hobby is going to show up and shop. I know that the dealers and hobbyists that I talked to at around 1:30 or so said that they had sold some small stuff and that makes sense it fits what is taking place on the street. Here in Az. CL has exploded with common machines that people have listed because they need to sell stuff to get some money or they are leaving to get work and they don't want to haul stuff that they do not use or need. I had some money to spend- that I had saved during the year but I was already tired and when we got the credenza loaded into my wife's Jeep Liberty there was no room anyway. There was a really nice-God Forbid Me-Zenith radio that I would have bought but I had no room. But what took place at the show is what is taking place at my shop. There are no causal buyers coming in anymore-but there are still purpose buyers out there and you just have to hope that one comes your way. Next year I will come again-maybe get a table but the show was a good one and we just have to keep at it. I really liked the fact that there were some good machines there and a fair number of them as well. But as I said before collectors and dealers selling to each other does not tell the story-the show is spot on to our economy. Abe Feder On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:01 AM, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.comwrote: I have been going to CAPS since 2002, and always had a blast there. I didn't attend CAPS this year. My friend had too many obligations. Yes, the economy is bad for sellers because people are unsure about their finances. I did poorly at the Salem show, and the recent show in Seattle. I did buy some great things there. As I see it, I'm not in this hobby for the money. I just enjoy working on phonographs and listening to records. I sell at fair prices, and I am not going to give them away. I'll wait until the economy gets better and try again. Like so many others mentioned before, I go to these shows for the fellowship, gaining knowledge, and passing knowledge. If I sell something, fine. If not, oh well. At least I had a good time being among old friends and making new ones. Harvey Kravitz From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 9:15:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] CAPS I did not attend CAPS (even thought I did originaly plan to), but after reading the comments it appears to me that the expierience very much follows what was seen at the Union show in June. Tons of great stuff, some of it for terrific prices, but very little actually sold. It was a very slow show as far as selling went for many dealers. I really believe we are seeing the effects of the economy and fear of spending. I don't think it really had much at all to do with CAPS itself. I think it's just the way things are going right now and that it will turn around. So, it's been a slow year. That's all it is. It isn't an issue of the hobby or the shows that is keeping folks from buying. It's just fear of the unknown. My 2 cents... Dan On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:52 AM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm glad to have an open discussion about the sale and I think it's healthy. The club did a great job. There were plenty of sellers providing a variety of items at very good prices. It was simply a buyers market and buyers did not open their billfolds very often. I thought attendance was OK and I'm glad to read that it was a bit higher than last year. I noticed new faces late into the sale. I did close a couple of sales but it was difficult and probably not worth the effort. The sale of my Edison Standard B (2 min only) was a good example. I paid $175 for the machine, refinished the case (decal materials about $20 plus several hours effort), repaired the belt tensioner (another hour), disassembled the top works to clean oil (another hour), and provided a reproduction 14 horn ($20). My out of pocket cost was $215 with at least five hours of labor. I sold it for $280 very late in the sale. I attempted to sell a Vic I
Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
Greg, I have noted that you and several members like the Capehart units . I have seen a few of them here in Arizona from time to time.-I know nothing about them. There is one for sale now on Craigslist a model # B-1002-F. Owner says that it has been in his family for 60 years. He has original instruction manual as well as bill of sale and is asking $750.00. Any comments about it or price? Thx Abe Feder On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net wrote: I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer: eBay Item #150426006960 This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not playing records as it has t he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room for it. Greg Bogantz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
Gabriel, Labtone is a powder that you mix with distilled water you can order it from V W R International. I just googled them and they have shipping points all over the world. Item # is R3501-44/8vwr-that is the number for 8lbs and if you order that amount you will have enough for most of your life. I have given some away cleaned over a 1000 cylinders and 2000 records and still have a couple of pounds left Abe Feder On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Gabriel Marro gabrielma...@telefonica.netwrote: Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read about cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a question if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and want to know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send overseas? Thanks in advance, Gabriel. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
Hi All, The Library of Congress did test a number of other products including Alconox Detergent powder and settled on Labtone it has a lower possible residue factor-complete chemical analysis is available through V W R Abe On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: I have used the plain Alconox Detergent powder. The commercial beer glass soap/cleaner for hand washing is as potent as the Alconox or labtone and you miss the pleasure of buying a case of the stuff. Actually, the beer glass cleaner will take lipstick off of glassware by just dipping and the other 2 will not really cut into it as fast. I have used all 3 of them and they all work. Just remember this, if washing 4 min wax any temperature differential between record and water will result in record disassembly. The records to be washed and the water for wash and rinse have to all be at the same temperature, exactly. And you will still have a few fall apart. Gabriel Marro wrote: Thank you very much. I have seen different products from Alcanox for laboratory cleaning: LIQUI-NOX: phosphate-free to eliminate phosphate interference ALCOTABS: free rinsing for difficult pipette cleaning CITRANOX: enhanced acid for safer cleaning of trace metal residues SOLUJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free, liquid, alkaline detergent for laboratory washers TERGAJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free, powdered, alkaline detergent for laboratory washers CITRAJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free. liquid, acid rinse and trace metal cleaner for lab washers do you know wich one is good for wax cylinders? I didn't know the hand brush washing beer glasses they use in my local bar is different from the soap I use at home for my own beer glasses. Gabriel. El 14/03/2010, a las 22:21, Rich escribió: It is not exportable and is hard to get in this country unless you can look like a commercial user. Try Alconox which is at least available from some sources. If that fails the soap used for hand brush washing beer glasses will do just fine, and its much cheaper. You can get it from your local bar or from the supply store where they buy it. Gabriel Marro wrote: Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read about cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a question if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and want to know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send overseas? Thanks in advance, Gabriel. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
Hi All, I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been in the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of bad treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 years and UPS-6 years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight company that deals in special shipment of special goods. The stories he told of both companies made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I build a box that will make it almost anywhere and my last item still did not get there. They drive a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4 plywood for sides. 3 months later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But they did EVERYTHING they could to keep from paying the claim. Photos showing how the crate was put together shamed them and a bit of advice from my nephew to stay on them at least twice a week really worked. For our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should get there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or pay the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive machines it is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it really to expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working through that on a machine now. But bottom line on a common carrier youse pays your money and takes your chances Happy New Year Abe On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff boru...@flash.net wrote: Steve- FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with each carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the case, one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly damaged when the tines of a fork lift went completely through the center of its box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and the bolts holding the motor frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a machine via FedEx! Bill On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic alligator mouth sorting system. Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if there is an accident. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Reducer Rings C, H, and K in large carriage...
Hi All, This item is something that I have been looking for as well and it seems that whenever one is found either orginial or repo it is snapped up. If a good drawing or deminsonal photos could be done i would think we could get a machine shop to make them up. If we had a order for a group of them I am sure that the cost would be less per item. Any thoughts? Abe Feder On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hello Al, I have the iron and bare pot metal ones, I could send the dimensions if you like. Steve From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:17:18 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Reducer Rings C, H, and K in large carriage... Thanks Steve: I had totally forgotten about the late conversion kits. It would be interesting for a collector with all of those adapter rings to take a micrometer to them. Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Advice please - holes in cylinder surface
Chris,glad things worked out for you -Abe On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net wrote: Maybe bugs, they're so neat and round, like carpenter bee holes. But not much deeper than wide. The seller was very nice and refunded the purchase instantly. Abe Feder wrote: Those holes or divits look like needle drops-or bugs did it Abe On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: I believe I used candle wax to fill in holes on one of my cylinders, but I would have used a broken record. I think it was a wax amberol and I was able to play the record. Are they chipped or melted? I have no idea how the holes got there, but the seller should give you a full refund and pay return postage. E+ does not have holes. Steve Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:35:55 -0400 From: chris...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Advice please - holes in cylinder surface I just got a cylinder I won on eBay (Edison 9100, Bob Roberts' Everybody Works But Father) to replace mine that cracked. It was advertised as in excellent + condition, and as I pulled it out of its sleeve it looked like it was. But as I turned it to examine it closely, I found a strange, almost patterned number of deep circular pits among the grooves. I'm afraid to play it in case the stylus catches in these holes and gets ripped out. I'm attaching a picture. I would appreciate advice (as well as any information on how these holes could have formed -- I'm not an experienced collector, but I've never seen anything like them before). Many thanks, Chris -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: 9100 holes.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 52776 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20090812/f397cb3b/attachment.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale
John, You can take ck's you just do not put it in your add. If you not a very small number say Pay Pal account required If they do I by pass them. I send them in ask a question if they take cks or cc and they always say yes.Ebay really messed up my account when they hit me with increased fee's that I just did not know about. After three months of trying to get it square-I just do not do pay pal. Abe Feder On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:04 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Okay, it finally happend. Afte defending eBay (mentally if not physically on this board) for a long time, I got my comeupance today. Two days ago I put several items on eBa for sale, including a nice Vic III that I have. I am DESPERATELY trying to raise $2800 in a short time to buy a harp to replace mine (which developed structural problems). I need to raise this money SOON! So I listed some phonoe items that were near and dear to my heart, including the III. You may remember what I went through trying to get a back bracket for it. So this morning, I find that eBay has REMOVED my items because I did the unholy deed of saying I accept Paypal and personal checks (held for clearance). Apparently you cannot accept mone order or personal checks on ebay any more. I didn't know this because I don't read every piece of claptrap that ebay sends me. I use the Turbolister to create my listings, and it caugh that I offered to accept money orders, and it gave me an error code on that. So I changed it. BUT it did NOT give me an error code on the term personal checks. So I guess some grunt at ebay whose job it is to check such things found it and pulled m auctions. I had $460 in bids on the III when it was pulled. They sent some sort of email to my bidders telling them the items were being pulled. I was FURIOUS. I wrote them an angry letter, and they basicall said too bad. They were nice about it, bt at the end of the letter it said I should not respond because they would not receive it. Nice and caring. Anyhoe I relisted most of the stuff, and the Vic III is item number 110374580209. I am so desperate to raise the cash that my buy it now on this item is only $1995, which is less money than I have into it. So if you want a deal, there it is. As for ebay, they disguise their corporate greed behid the veil of 'protecting their sellers from fraud'. They own Paypal, so of course they want you to use it exclusively. Arrgh. Thanks for leting me vent. And thanks for reading this far. John RObles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From smst...@gmail.com Thu Apr 9 11:08:25 2009 From: smst...@gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:08:30 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay Vic III for sale In-Reply-To: 4e885f140904091032r6455d33dv79bed62ec8852...@mail.gmail.com References: 531326.84228...@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com 4e885f140904091032r6455d33dv79bed62ec8852...@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: 7e8e90ff0904091108n4571de96gf650b90663a50...@mail.gmail.com I thought we had talked about this here. I may be wrong. When eBay forces PayPal they collect a % on shipping fees as well. I thought I had bemoaned the fact that many collectors who are not dealers but very casual sellers will find taking PayPal way to much of a burden for an occasional sell. We collectors tend to fuel eBay with some very nice stuff when we decide to let go. eBay will effectively drive away sellers with good stuff and buyers as well. I don't mean it will doom eBay and super rare stuff will still show up..with the flea market stuff. The middle road people may find it easier to sell in another venue. I will not establish a sellers PayPal account for the few nice pieces I wish sell each year. I've been an eBay member since 1997 and my feedback is a whopping 107. I see many phono items in the last few months for sale on this list. Keep it up. Hey no fees and you are dealing with people you know...sort of Collecting is fun when it is part of a social network, at least to me it is.. Mike On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: John, You can take ck's you just do not put it in your add. If you not a very small number say Pay Pal account required If they do I by pass them. I send them in ask a question if they take cks or cc and they always say yes.Ebay really messed up my account when they hit me with increased fee's that I just did not know about. After three months of trying to get it square-I just do not do pay pal. Abe Feder On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:04 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Okay, it finally happend. Afte defending eBay (mentally if not physically on this board) for a long time, I got my comeupance today. Two days ago I put several items on eBa for sale, including a nice Vic III that I have. I am DESPERATELY trying to raise $2800 in a short time to buy a harp to replace mine (which
[Phono-L] Amberolas 1A and 1B horns
It's interesting to note that when I sold stereo equipment Wharfdale speakers that I sold and still have were made from wood pannels filled with sand-of all the speakers we sold they had the sweetest sound-and are still being made today and shipped to th US from England. Abe Feder On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Greg Bogantz gbogantz1 at charter.net wrote: Steve, it's not readily possible to compare the 1A and 1B horns with any others because of the unique fittings that they employ on the machines. Even so, there was no other horn shaped like the 1A 1B horns which probably has the MOST to do with their sound. In other words, you would have to make a wood horn with the same unique shape as the 1A horn to properly compare the effects attributable to the construction materials. But I would imagine that the two materials would sound rather similar since wood is a more intrinsically damped material than metal and is similar in damping to the jute construction of the 1A horn. Also, a solid wood horn would have different damping from that of a plywood construction. But overall, I would agree that I like the metal horns the least of all the constructions because of their poor damping. This could be improved by overlaying the outside of the horn with some plaster or other material which would add mass and damp the metallic ringing. I have heard of people actually doing this with a Credenza. Even though these are wood horns which are already pretty well damped, some people believe that filling the volume between the horn and the cabinet sides with CONCRETE !!! makes them sound better. Good grief, the beast weighs enough as it is. Who needs to add another several hundred pounds of stone just to damp the wood horn a little better? Oh well, ya pays yer money and ya takes yer cherce. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_noreen at msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberolas 1A and 1B horns Hi Greg, Do they sound better than wood? I am very impressed by how much better wood sounds than tin, what a huge difference. I always sound test reproducers with my tin horn as all the defects are pronounced. Wood makes them sound better even when they are not. Steve Steve, the 1A and 1B horns are very odd. They're made of a fibrous material, molded or layed up against a form. Different from anything else that Edison ever did. Someone on one of these phono boards had the answer in a previous posting, but I can't remember the details. Hopefully they will respond with a clear description. Anyway, the horns are well damped due to this construction technique and don't exhibit the ringing and resonances that are common with metal horns, which is one of the reasons they sound so good. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_noreen at msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1BThanks so much, what was the 1A horn made of? Steve From: gbogantz1 at charter.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:40:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Resea rch: Amberolas 1A and 1B I have all three machines, the Amberola 1A, 1B, and III. The III isvery close to the 1B in sound, but I think it's a little more midrangey due to the metal horn. But it does sound very good, and it's my second favorite 4-minute cylinder player on the basis of sound quality, the 1B being the best commercially produced 4-minute cylinder machine ever made in my opinion. George Paul and I are having this discussion currently over on the OTV board, and we both agree also that the 1A is the best sounding commercially available 2 minute machine. The horns used in all these machines were the best that anybody ever made for cylinder machines, the metal one in the III being a close derivative of the shape of the ones in the 1A and 1B. This metal horn has a fairly complex shape and was never used in any other Ediso n product. Greg Bogantz- Original Message -- --- From: Steven Medved steve_noreen at msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B How does it compare with the 1B sound wise since the horn is different? Steve Hey Jim, My Amberola III is absolutely one of my very favorite machines. Sounds superblooks superb..plays wax Amberols like no other vintage machine I have ever heard... It makes me happy. Bestest, Michael Khanchalian (cyldoc) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono
[Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks
Hi all, I have never had anything but trouble with ebay palpal and will not use it anymore. i know that others really like it-the luck of the draw-i Guess. Need4art On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:20 PM, J.F. Bennett citypointsb at gmail.comwrote: I just finally joined PayPal after over four years on the 'Bay with very very few problems.I'm into my second Paypal transaction and I having trouble already. GR! I had to open a special bank account for the damnable thing. The E-Bay rep. I spoke with last week informed me the change is supposed to make E-Bay safer and troubel free. He claimed nearly all the payment/damaged-not as described disputed arose from money order, check or cash transactions. I was calling to complain about a seller who will not refund my money for a broken record so he tried to use my complaint to convince me of the benefits of the change rather than help me with my issue. (Which is still unresolved!, I'd love to give you all the name of the seller in question...) I think everyone who uses E-Bay should call or e-mail them to tell them they need to retain the non-electronic option, even if you don't use it, options are a good thing. ;-) Regards, John B. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
