[Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine

[Mark Albertson]

George:

Sorry, I didn't see your revised post until today.  I get the digest version 
of Phono-L (one e-mail per day with the prior 24 hours worth of posts in one 
shot...around the noon hour). So I don't see posts as they are posted until 
the following day.

But hey, not redgreen, green, green for St. Patrick's Day.  Maybe red 
turning to green as March 16th turning to March 17th re: 24 hours.

Mark

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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine


>
> Boy, am I glad I took a closer look and corrected my earlier response - - 
> would my face have been red!??
>
> George Paul
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> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Albertson 
> To: Antique Phonograph List 
> Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 6:48 pm
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine
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> Bruce, George
>
> This is a "late" Home  model dating to around 1903-05.  It is not a model 
> C.
> Model C's cases look similar to a Home but have an earlier motor type 
> (Model C
> cranks come out of the case on the centerline of the turntable vs. a 1" 
> offset
> on the Home).  This is also easily identified as a "late" model Home 
> because the
> base trim configuration was simplified partway through the model run or
> production. Earlier Homes had case and base trim like the model C.
>
> Most Home models have the script wording on the front "Home" and the 
> Universal
> Talking Machine Mfr. Co. decal on the back.  Later models of the Home are 
> often
> found with the front decal missing (never installed).  Model C's have no 
> decals
> anywhere and have the white celluloid tag on the back under the crank 
> stating
> Zon-o-phone and National Gram-o-phone Corporation + address.  Bottom of 
> the
> celluloid tag has Universal Talking Machine Co.
>
> If anyone on the list is interested, I have a very early Home model with 
> Home
> script writing on front and a white celluloid tag on the back.  100% 
> original
> and 100% correct machine right down to the Concert V reproducer and 24" 
> horn
> set-up. It has a very early Home serial number which explains the white
> celluloid tagvery cool machine.
>
> Mark
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "BruceY" 
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine
>
>
>> Thanks for the info, by the way, I only referred to the Machine that way,
>> because the word Zonophone is not listed in the Auction anywhere by the
>> obviously unastute Auction/Seller, who refers to it only as a Universal
>> Talking Machine. I thought it might be some kind of ultra-rare, 
>> undiscovered
>> ultra-rare animal.
>>
>> Bruce
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine
>>
>>
>>>
>>> This appears to be a Type "C" equipped with larger support/traveling 
>>> arms
>>> to accommodate a larger horn (but not the horn that's currently on it).? 
>>> I
>>> never heard of a "Frank Seamans pre Zonophone Machine" other than the
>>> Gibson Gramophone, the Montross Berliner, or perhaps a United States
>>> Talking Machine, and this is not any of those.
>>>
>>> George Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: BruceY 
>>> To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com
>>> Cc: Antique Phonograph List 
>>> Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 9:06 pm
>>> Subject: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This has got to be an exceptionally early Frank Seamans pre Zonophone
>>> Machine?
>>> does anyone know what model this is? does it look all original?? This
>>> fellow has
>>> a live auction going on here. It even has a buyers premium of 22.5%. 
>>> There
>>> is
>>> not even a full description of the items as to condition etc. This is
>>> totally
>>> Buyer Beware!!
>>>
>>> http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330219604163&rd=1
>>>
>>>
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[Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine

[Mark Albertson]

s.
 
The use of the word 'Zonophone' goes back to 1898. There was an interesting  
article on the subject in (Calif) CAPS.
 
  The unusual (and rare) Gibson machine, ca 1900, was never  offered for 
public sale, as far as I know - at least, I have  never seen an ad for it. But 
it 
was patented, filed for in Mar of that year  (with partners Smith and Morton).
 
Allen
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 Boy, am I glad I took a closer look and corrected my earlier response - - 
would my face have been red!?? 

George Paul


 


 

-Original Message-
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To: Antique Phonograph List 
Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine










Bruce, George

This is a "late" Home  model dating to around 1903-05.  It is not a model C.  
Model C's cases look similar to a Home but have an earlier motor type (Model C 
cranks come out of the case on the centerline of the turntable vs. a 1" offset 
on the Home).  This is also easily identified as a "late" model Home because 
the 
base trim configuration was simplified partway through the model run or 
production. Earlier Homes had case and base trim like the model C.

Most Home models have the script wording on the front "Home" and the Universal 
Talking Machine Mfr. Co. decal on the back.  Later models of the Home are often 
found with the front decal missing (never installed).  Model C's have no decals 
anywhere and have the white celluloid tag on the back under the crank stating 
Zon-o-phone and National Gram-o-phone Corporation + address.  Bottom of the 
celluloid tag has Universal Talking Machine Co.

If anyone on the list is interested, I have a very early Home model with Home 
script writing on front and a white celluloid tag on the back.  100% original 
and 100% correct machine right down to the Concert V reproducer and 24" horn 
set-up. It has a very early Home serial number which explains the white 
celluloid tagvery cool machine.

Mark


- Original Message - 
From: "BruceY" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine


> Thanks for the info, by the way, I only referred to the Machine that way, 
> because the word Zonophone is not listed in the Auction anywhere by the 
> obviously unastute Auction/Seller, who refers to it only as a Universal 
> Talking Machine. I thought it might be some kind of ultra-rare, undiscovered 
> ultra-rare animal.
> 
> Bruce
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine
> 
> 
>>
>> This appears to be a Type "C" equipped with larger support/traveling arms 
>> to accommodate a larger horn (but not the horn that's currently on it).? I 
>> never heard of a "Frank Seamans pre Zonophone Machine" other than the 
>> Gibson Gramophone, the Montross Berliner, or perhaps a United States 
>> Talking Machine, and this is not any of those.
>>
>> George Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: BruceY 
>> To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: Antique Phonograph List 
>> Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 9:06 pm
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> This has got to be an exceptionally early Frank Seamans pre Zonophone 
>> Machine?
>> does anyone know what model this is? does it look all original?? This 
>> fellow has
>> a live auction going on here. It even has a buyers premium of 22.5%. There 
>> is
>> not even a full description of the items as to condition etc. This is 
>> totally
>> Buyer Beware!!
>>
>> http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330219604163&rd=1
>>
>>
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[Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout

[Mark Albertson]

Hey Thatcher:

What in heck does portable phonographs have to do with my question regarding 
Herzog Pegs?

Why not start your own thread next time.

Mark




- Original Message - 
From: "Thatcher Graham" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout


> It looks nice and  sounds damn fine. Thanks for the info!
>
> --Thatcher
>
> Bob wrote:
>> That's a Columbia 161.  It's also my favorite portable.  I've owned two 
>> of them and several Victor ortho portables and I always preferred the 
>> Columbia.
>> RMV
>> - Original Message - From: "Robert Wright" 
>> 
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout
>>
>>
>>> Only rule I can think of is never trust the original handle!  I've 
>>> always liked the Victor Orthophonic suitcase models, but there's a 
>>> Columbia Viva-Tonal model out there that sounds almost hi-fi, like a 
>>> Credenza. Anyone know which one I'm talking about?  Here's a pic:
>>>
>>> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/jlf/pho/18.jpg
>>>
>>> And here's the page associated with the pic, with a sound clip of it 
>>> playing.
>>>
>>> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/jlf/enphonos.htm
>>>
>>> I don't know how this gent mic'd the phono or anything, but the bottom 
>>> end on this machine appears to be pretty amazing.  Where's Greg Bogantz? 
>>> I bet he knows about this machine.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Thatcher Graham" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout
>>>
>>>
 And while I'm tapping the great knowledge bank that is the phonolist, 
 are there any basic rules of thumb be applied to buying a portable 
 phonograph? What types of problems are common/endemic to certain 
 models?
 What's impossible to repair and should be inspected before purchase?
 What's a generally good make/model? etc




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[Phono-L] Ebay and Craigslist

[Mark Albertson]

Here's the linkpurchase was in 2004

http://www.craigslist.org/about/press/ebay.stake.html

Mark Albertson



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Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion


>I did not know ebay had anything to do with Craig's List.  Anything ebay 
>has
> its hand in usually requires, 'show me the money!"
>
> Brantley   
>
> 

[Phono-L] Phonogram phonograph

[Mark Albertson]

And you may never see one sell again...quite rare indeed.  Wait till next 
week and there will be a Vic 6 however.  But I think most collectors would 
rather have a Vic 6 than a cardboard box.


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Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Phonogram phonograph


> Didi anyone see this on ebay?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280048047486&rd=1&rd=1
>
> Quite a find. I have never seen one sell before. Never realized this could 
> cost as much as a victor 6.
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[Phono-L] ebay item

[Mark Albertson]

LOL Loran...Dan, you can have your Gem and Vernis Martin too... 
Cheap

Mark

- Original Message - 
From: "Loran Hughes" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay item


> That's kid stuff. I just picked up a can of maroon Krylon at the  hardware 
> store. Interested in a Gem, Dan?
>
> LOL,
> Loran
>
> On Nov 28, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bob, I needed that laugh!
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On 11/28/06, Bob Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>> HOLY S**T - A vernis martin on ebay.  330055723273
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[Phono-L] Amberola V

[Mark Albertson]

Hey Jerry:

How about a nice unrestored nickel plated Ambrola IA mechanism?  I know 
where there is one of these "one-of-a-kinds" for sale.  I even think that it 
will soon find it's way onto eBay.

Mark


- Original Message - 
From: "DeeDee Blais" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:04 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola V


> Along the same theme as the upside down decals and the
> maroon over black painted Gem is an interesting
> Amberola V that I bought a couple of years ago.  I was
> on the way to Union and stopped at Walnut, Iowa to
> antique shop.  In one of the shops was a mahogany
> Amberola V.  When I opened the lid, I discovered an
> Amberola 50 mechanism.  I knew that a small number of
> Amberola V cabinets survived the Edison factory fire
> and were fitted with Amberola 50 mechanisms.  I also
> knew that it was quite unusual so I made my purchase.
> When I arrived at Union, I talked to another collector
> that had been through Walnut.  I told of my exciting
> purchase and his response was "Oh, I've seen that
> machine for a couple of years."  What was exciting to
> me was not interesting to him.
> As a side story about this machine...When I
> inspected the Amberola V, I couldn't find a name tag
> or tiny holes where one might have been attached.  It
> wasn't until quite recently, when I was doing a repair
> on an Amberola 30, that I found where the name tag was
> located.  The Amberola 30 tag was behind the grill
> along the inside of case.  I ran to my basement,
> checked the inside area of the Amberola V, and was
> delighted to find the name tag!  Happy collecting,
> Jerry B.
>
>
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[Phono-L] Sending attachments

[Mark Albertson]

I personally would not want attachments.  Some of the topic threads on the 
list go on and on, and if a topic thread has attachments, I would be 
concerned that the attachment will just keep getting reposted.  That would 
be a mess.

We all know what it's like to see these topic thread posts go on and on 
without purging the old content.  And before you know it, the topic changes 
with the old content (and maybe attachment) still attached.  I think 
attachments will just compound some of these issues.

Plus attachments, if not managed properly, will slow e-mail down to a crawl 
for those without high-speed connections.

Loran, I say best left alone.

Mark

[Phono-L] Unusual Zonophone

[Mark Albertson]

Andy:

This is a Zonophone Model A...there are two glass panels, one on each side. 
This machine predates the Grand Opera (one glass panel) by about four years.

Mark

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Baron" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Zonophone


> From one of those generic we-sell-everything eBay auction houses, I
> found the following Zonophone, which seems unusual to me in that it
> does not appear to be a Grand Opera (at least as I've become familiar
> with that model), yet it has the glass side panel.  Does anyone know
> what this is?   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=120037662270&fromMakeTrack=true
>
> Andy
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[Phono-L] Gold Plated Brake Needed

[Mark Albertson]

Hey fellow collectors:

I am in need of a gold plated bullet brake for a Victrola L-Door 16.  If anyone 
can help, please contact me off the list.  Thanks

Mark Albertson
From mgrazia...@o-lite.com  Tue Aug  8 14:54:32 2006
From: mgrazia...@o-lite.com (Mgraziano1)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:48 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] The use of subjective language
whendescribingthecondition of an Antique Phonograph
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$0.99 ->  I didn't catch the opening bid.  I just remembered seeing the
$2000 in the title,  and thought that was opening bid.

-Original Message-
From: Ron L'Herault [mailto:lhera...@bu.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:10 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The use of subjective language
whendescribingthecondition of an Antique Phonograph

If they are close, they could end up with some nice parts for little
money.  I think each of the knobs is worth $5-10, then there is the
motor.  It is hard to tell but it could still be the early style and
even if the motor was toast, and it had its original female thread
crank, that would be worth $30-50, I would think.  At least some of
those doors look usable.  The reproducer may be fine or at least
rebuildable.  The list goes on.

Ron L

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On Behalf Of Mgraziano1
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:29 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The use of subjective language when
describingthecondition of an Antique Phonograph

What I can't figure out, is how someone's bidding on it..

-Original Message-
From: Walt Sommers [mailto:bosomm...@adelphia.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:13 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: [Phono-L] The use of subjective language when describing
thecondition of an Antique Phonograph

Describing the condition of an antique phonograph using mere words is
all
but impossible because of the subjective nature of language like "good
condition", "excellent condition" and so on. Nothing beats seeing them
live
in person, no doubt. But having lots of good detailed pictures can often
suffice.

I thought I had seen some strange uses of subjective language, but this
one
rivals them all. Thankfully, they sent pictures. Someone please define
"a
few broken pieces" after looking at this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170016319835 


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On
Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:18 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need your help

Have a great vacation, George!

Ron L

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On Behalf Of George
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:17 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need your help

I would like to take a moment to say thank you for all the wonderful
comments about me recently.
Also to note that starting this Friday 8/11/06 through  Sat. 8/19/06
Great Lakes Antique Phonograph will also be closed. I do try to monitor
and answer emails while away.
Thank you,
Great Lakes Antique Phonographs
George Vollema
www.victroladoctor.com
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  To: Antique Phonograph List 
  Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need your help


  Just for your FYI, APSCO is on vacation til Aug. 8th.

  Bill
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[Phono-L] Zonophone on ebay is a scam

[Mark Albertson]

Hey List:

The following ebay item is a scam (item number 6631314020).  I listed this 
machine on ebay over a year ago.  My auction ended on March 31, 2005 without 
meeting reserve.  Later I sold this machine to a fellow collector in a private 
transaction.  The original buyer and I have spokenhe still has the machine 
in his personal collection.

So...beware if this scam.  Here's the link...copy and paste:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Zonophone-Concert-Grand-Phonograph_W0QQitemZ6631314020QQcategoryZ1442QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Mark Albertson

[Phono-L] Need advice on finishing and matching stain colors

[Mark Albertson]

Ken:

I see that no one is jumping in here.  So I will try to give you some 
pointers.

Each collector has his or her preference as to finishes.  Some use original 
shellac (orange or clear).  Others like oils, and yet others like lacquer 
based products for big jobs such as cabinets or uprights.  When it comes to 
these choices, the size of the job matters as does what one is most 
comfortable with.  The application also matters...ie: spray vs. rubbed on 
vs. ragged on.

So, choosing your refinishing medium is really a personal choice as to what 
your comfortable with and trying to accomplish.

By the sounds of it, you have original finish machines that need a 
replacement board here or there and the question is how to "match" 
finishes...new to the old.  Well, my experience suggests a great deal of 
patience, a practice board, and a variety of lighting conditions.  Patience 
is obvious as is a practice board identical to the wood you will be working 
with.  Different lighting (natural vs. fluorescent, vs. incandescent) will 
cause colors to act differently, so it's important to go slow and check in 
different lights at different times using the medium of your choice.  But 
you need a product to mix with your shellac, minwax oil etcread on.

I have found that the best product for dialing in and matching finishes is 
an alcohol based anyline dye specifically made by the Wood Finish Supply 
Company.  They sell a metalized extract concentrate dye mixed in MEK.  The 
advantage of these dyes is that they dissolve in any base medium you like to 
work in (shellac, oil, lacquer..etc.) and come in a host of colors for very 
precise color control (one drop at a time).  In addition, the company 
provides baseline quantity combinations for most wood colors you will be 
seeking.  I would recommend starting with four colors...black, warm brown, 
yellow, and red.each in 8oz bottles).  From there you can nail down most 
all the colors we see in phonos except green oak.

Used alone, the dye will flash off and evaporate too fast for custom 
applications, so you need to use a baseline medium and then add dye drops to 
that for your precision control of color.

Again, take a spoonful of patience before starting and have fun.

You can check out Wood Finish Supply Co. at www.woodfinishsupply.com I would 
also suggest calling them.  They are very helpful.  Again, the product is 
"Metalized Extract Concentrate Dye in MEK"Get the four colors to start.

Best

Mark Albertson



- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Danckaert" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Need advice on finishing and matching stain colors


>I can do almost anything with metal but I have a devil of a time with
> the cases.  When you have to make a new wood part for a cabinet, it is
> really difficult to color match close to the original.  I would really
> like to see suggestions from you all on how you get wood parts to
> match.  Maybe someone knows a good source for stains or finishes that
> help you get a match.  Is there a magical technique out there?  My brute
> strength approaches usually get me close but they are very time
> consuming and chancy.  Any suggestions?
>
> Ken Danckaert
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[Phono-L] Non-Victor Zonophone with Paneled Horn

[Mark Albertson]

Hi Andrew:

I can probably help you identify your Zonophone.  From the sounds of it, you 
probably have an early rear mount Grand Opera with the glass window delete. 
The glass window that would normally be seen on the front mount Grand Opera 
machine is eliminated so that there is a mounting surface for the rear mount 
bracket.  But aside from that deleted window, the balance of the machine is 
exactly like a front mount Grand Opera with the fancy metal bedplate with 
one additional exception.  That is that the wood case is rotated 180 degrees 
so that the crank is on the right (instead of the left like a front mount) 
and thus the Grand Opera decal is on the opposite side as welltricky 
huh..!!

P.SIf you look closely at your bedplate, you will see a threaded 
hole where the front mount bracket would have screwed into even though yours 
is a rear mount machine.

Regarding the influence on the Zonophone design, this did not come to pass 
until a few years after Johnson acquired the company (September 1903).

During the 1904 Saint Louis Exhibition, the Zonophones were still of the 
original Zono design.  Presumably Johnson was using up remaining stock as 
any smart business man would.

But the 1905 Zono catalogue demonstrates machines that start to reflect the 
new Victorized look of the Zonophone.

If you would send on to me a photo of your machine, I will then be able to 
tell you for sure what you have.

Regards

Mark Albertson


- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Baron" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:06 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Non-Victor Zonophone with Paneled Horn


>> phonost...@aol.com writes:
>>
>> "Wouldn't it be fun" if each month Phono Friends of the groups picked
>> a
>> topic for discussion...
>
> Great idea!
> What should it be this month?
>
> How about something that there just isn't a wealth of published
> information about --  Zonophones.
>
> I'd love to get some opinions, if possible, on the following:  About
> two years ago, I was the very fortunate recipient of a nicely preserved
> (and with provenance) Zonophone Grand Opera (no, not the one with the
> glass side panels -- I wish, but not complaining, mind you).  This
> machine seems to be (I would guess) early in Victor's ownership of the
> marque.  It has no Victor-like features, the classic deeply embossed
> top plate with stylized symmetrical floral patterns, ZON-O-PHONE,
> Universal Talking Machine Mfg Co (also engraved in the reproducer),
> etc.  It has the Universal decal on the side of the case just under the
> crank, Grand Opera stencil on the front panel, external stop, large
> flat speed knob, and S-shaped crank.  The cabinet is also pure
> Zonophone, with the finely turned corner posts, etc.  The motor is
> clearly Zonophone, and owes nothing to Victor, having the oversized
> single spring vertical barrel, flat-sided pair of governor weights and
> so on.
>
> What makes me think it's after Victor's acquisition of Zonophone is
> that it's a rear mount machine with an 11-panel all-brass horn.  I tend
> to think of the panel horns as being introduced around 1904 or 1905,
> and the published histories of Zonophone seem to put Victor's
> acquisition of the company a year or two prior to that.
>
> I'd love to tap into the Phonolist's knowledge base to learn more about
> this machine and it's relationship to the Victor buyout dates and
> paneled horn introduction dates.  The horn, although panel, retains the
> classic Zonophone all-brass construction (including the elbow), and
> fits perfectly into the back support.  This plus the documented history
> (going back only to about 1930) shows that this horn was with this
> machine at least as far back as that.  It occurred to me that it could
> be an earlier machine, made just prior to the Victor buy-out,
> originally equipped with the more conventional belled brass horn, and
> then changed to a panel horn when it was a couple of years old, but it
> seems unlikely that Victor would have gone to the trouble to make an
> all brass panel horn to update the old Zonophones.
>
> Any thoughts on any of the content of this inquiry would be most
> sincerely appreciated.
>
> Andy Baron
> Santa Fe, NM
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[Phono-L] Non-Victor Zonophone with Paneled Horn

[Mark Albertson]

Andrew:

Again, assuming that you do have an early style rear mount Grand Opera, the 
machine would be correct with an all brass bell horn rather than a paneled 
horn.

The paneled horn you refer to came at a later date after the influence of 
Victor was evident.  I'd say 1906-1908.

It's possible your horn was replaced or upgraded at some point in time.

The early rear mount Grand Opera is shown in The Talking Machine Compendium 
as Plate 3-100 on Page 111.  The later Victorized version of the Grand Opera 
is shown as Plate 4-92 on Page 164.

Mark



- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Baron" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Non-Victor Zonophone with Paneled Horn


> Thank you, Mark for this nicely detailed reply.
> Yes, there is a threaded hole with a groove running to the edge of the
> plate, toward the back mount.  The crank is on the right as you point
> out, and the Grand Opera decal is on the "front", that is, the broad
> side of the cabinet facing the user, same side as the mouth of the
> backmount horn.  I'll email a photo to you tomorrow.
>
> So it sounds like a have a machine that was probably made in 1904.
> Does the eleven panel horn seem unusual to you at this early date?
>
> Thanks again for these insights,
> Andy
>
> On Feb 4, 2006, at 8:54 PM, Mark Albertson wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew:
>>
>> I can probably help you identify your Zonophone.  From the sounds of
>> it, you
>> probably have an early rear mount Grand Opera with the glass window
>> delete.
>> The glass window that would normally be seen on the front mount Grand
>> Opera
>> machine is eliminated so that there is a mounting surface for the rear
>> mount
>> bracket.  But aside from that deleted window, the balance of the
>> machine is
>> exactly like a front mount Grand Opera with the fancy metal bedplate
>> with
>> one additional exception.  That is that the wood case is rotated 180
>> degrees
>> so that the crank is on the right (instead of the left like a front
>> mount)
>> and thus the Grand Opera decal is on the opposite side as
>> welltricky
>> huh..!!
>>
>> P.SIf you look closely at your bedplate, you will see a
>> threaded
>> hole where the front mount bracket would have screwed into even though
>> yours
>> is a rear mount machine.
>>
>> Regarding the influence on the Zonophone design, this did not come to
>> pass
>> until a few years after Johnson acquired the company (September 1903).
>>
>> During the 1904 Saint Louis Exhibition, the Zonophones were still of
>> the
>> original Zono design.  Presumably Johnson was using up remaining stock
>> as
>> any smart business man would.
>>
>> But the 1905 Zono catalogue demonstrates machines that start to
>> reflect the
>> new Victorized look of the Zonophone.
>>
>> If you would send on to me a photo of your machine, I will then be
>> able to
>> tell you for sure what you have.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Mark Albertson
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Andrew Baron" 
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:06 AM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Non-Victor Zonophone with Paneled Horn
>>
>>
>>>> phonost...@aol.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> "Wouldn't it be fun" if each month Phono Friends of the groups picked
>>>> a
>>>> topic for discussion...
>>>
>>> Great idea!
>>> What should it be this month?
>>>
>>> How about something that there just isn't a wealth of published
>>> information about --  Zonophones.
>>>
>>> I'd love to get some opinions, if possible, on the following:  About
>>> two years ago, I was the very fortunate recipient of a nicely
>>> preserved
>>> (and with provenance) Zonophone Grand Opera (no, not the one with the
>>> glass side panels -- I wish, but not complaining, mind you).  This
>>> machine seems to be (I would guess) early in Victor's ownership of the
>>> marque.  It has no Victor-like features, the classic deeply embossed
>>> top plate with stylized symmetrical floral patterns, ZON-O-PHONE,
>>> Universal Talking Machine Mfg Co (also engraved in the reproducer),
>>> etc.  It has the Universal decal on the side of the case just under
>>> the
>>> crank, Grand Opera stencil on the front panel, external stop, large
>>> flat speed knob, and S-shape

[Phono-L] Enough!

[Mark Albertson]

Hey Joan...I agree 100%

I'm tired of all the banging on eBay, eBay phonos, eBay sellers, eBay
buyers...and now it's other phono list, other phone list members...etc. etc.
etcthis crap has been continuing for weeks

Pick a subject about phonos, there's hundreds of subject lines to choose
that we all could learn from.  But please stop the attacks on others.  And
if you have a problem with eBay or it's postings, then stop visiting it or
using it as a phono resource.  Complain to a friend over the phone instead
if you need to vent a little. But just saying hey look at this one on eBay 
is
lousy subject matter for a list that should be dedicated to furthering our
knowledge, understanding and appreciation of collecting old phonographs.

Mark Albertson


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Enough!


> Hello Phonograph Friends,,,
>
> Isn't that why WE are here on this computer, to connect to others of our
> interests and to find good things in our hobby, instead of ripping some
> apart.
> Not everyone is an expert. All of us have something to share and be
> corrected
> in  our learning, but WE were not there back than and history has been
> corrected
>
> Back in 1985 with purchase of our first phonograph and over the years with
> so much more to find and learn, the best way was 'snail mail', which I had
> spent  many hours writing and waiting for reply's to my questions. Back
> than this
> 'was' a venture!
>
> Now as a senior citizen, I find the modern marvel of the computer, with
> too
> much to
> easy to say, including personal remarks.
>
> Lots of friends on this and the other lists corresponded to me  over the
> years, mainly me asking my questions for them to answer or me offering
> them
> something they were looking for their collection, which I also do in the
> MAPS ads
> over the years.
>
> It use to be fun, waiting for the 'snail mail', today computer mail is not
> always that way.
>
> No one's personal opinions will take away the reason I care of my venture,
> but as a small group of preservers, we should try to stick together a
> little
> more, if for nothing else, for our future Carers of tomorrow, who may
> carry our
> venture.
>
> I will continue to appreciate both lists, at my caring.
>
> Just my thoughts,,,
> Joan Lehman
> Dover, Pa.
>
>
>
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[Phono-L] phono l enough, not really

[Mark Albertson]

Thanks Mike for your input. Sounds like an invitation to come up and visit.

Mark


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Stitt" 
To: "Antique phonograph discussion list for pre-1930 phonographs" 

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:22 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] phono l enough, not really


>I don't care! laugh all you want, write articles. Bitch about eBay.
> Complain, complain about complaining. It's just email. We are getting a
> little sensitive out there. Venting seems to serve a purposeboth ways.
> Mike   aka oldcranky
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[Phono-L] Zon-o-phone Newsletter - issues?

[Mark Albertson]

Hey Patrick

To my knowledge, Mandrake only did the four newsletters. So, one way of 
looking at it is that, you have a complete set.

Mark

- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Gunn" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Zon-o-phone Newsletter - issues?


> Hi all,
>
> I've come across four issues of the Zon-o-phone Newsletter from 1980
> (issue 1 to 4, vol 1), published by Charles Mandrake in Ohio, but I
> haven't been able to find out if the publication went beyond issue 4.
>
> Detailed info on Zonophone machines/records is certainly hard to come
> by, so any info on subsequent newsletters would be much appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick Gunn
> Vancouver, BC Canada
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[Phono-L] (was) Moving Harp....and now hear John PLAY harp

[Mark Albertson]

John:

Excellent Music my Friend.  

Will I be seeing you at CAPS Show in a couple of weeks...? 

If so, you need to bring a few CD's with you.

Mark Albertson


- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Back" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] (was) Moving Harpand now hear John PLAY harp


> 
> 
> --- john robles  wrote:
> 
>> You can see me playing one on my music website,
>> www.elsondelpueblo.com
> 
> And if you click the right button, you can HEAR John,
> too. 
> 
> Johnyou started out self taught?  Amazing!!! 
> Beautiful music. As a music teacher, harp is one
> instrument I haven't tried, but always wanted to.  
> 
> I encourage others on the list to click on the above
> site and hear some great Mexican music.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 
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[Phono-L] Pink Lambert inside?

[Mark Albertson]

Allen

Yes, I got a Pink Lambert at Union with a smooth white plaster core.  It is
definately Lambert (and made in Chicago) and is marked as such on the side
with patent date of March 20, 1900.

It has the white top...the writing is faded but I believe the title is Zamba
Ball, Number 673 (a march). I haven't played it yet.

If you or others would like a photo sent of the core, I would be happy to
forward one.  Just e-mail me off the list.

Happy Hunting (or fishing in my case)

Mark Albertson
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- Original Message - 
From: "Gregory Cline" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pink Lambert inside?


> My Friend is on vacation..to be continued whe he gets home.
>
>
> allena...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 6/28/2004 7:27:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >gwpho...@woh.rr.com writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >>A friend of mine bought a Pinkie at Union that had plaster core. He
> >>bought it form Julien Anton, so it came from France. It was confirmed
> >>original by Kurt Nauck, who said it was made in England.  You learn
> >>something new every day!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >**
> >was this a Lambert or an Edison-Bell Indestructible? Number and title?
Also
> >look ar edge area near the rim...
> >
> >Allen
> >
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[Phono-L] Zonophone Page - one more note

[Mark Albertson]

All the machines were front mount as I listed before.  But Seaman and
Zonophone were trying to respond to the Victor rigid arm and tapering tone
arm as well.  So, near the end of Seamans tenure, there were the early
versions of rear mount models as well.  However, there seams to be some
confusion or lack of documentation as to whether it was actually Seaman or
Johnson (Victor) who started to convert Zonophone models over to the rear
mount design.

But, it is safe to say that the early versions of the rear mount Zonophones
are of Zono design thru and thru. These early rear mount machines were
patterned from the front mount Concert, Concert Grand, and Grand Opera.  All
had metal bedplates and typical Zonophone detailing.

The "Victorized" versions of rear mount machines started to filter into the
market during the couple of years following Victor's buyout.

Mark


- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Plavzic" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:48 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Page


> Hello
>
> As threatened, a page to present an overview of Zonophone models. I got
the
> pic of the Black Zonophone, which I think is very smart. I hope that the
> Company history is accurate, & would welcome corrections if there are
> inaccuracies.
>
> The unknown (No.1) I have seen many times but don't know which model it is
> (don't laugh), and  the No.2 may be a bit more uncommon.
>
> Any other photo's with descriptions are much appreciated
>
> its at www.zonophone.netfirms.com
>
> thanks
>
> Robert
>
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[Phono-L] Zonophone Page

[Mark Albertson]

Yes I have www.zonopone.com and www.zon-o-phone.com   But...between family,
work, and collecting...there's been no time for a webpage as I have wanted
to do for some time now.
Hey Loran...??..got any free time..haha

And the old dial-up of AOL is long gone.

Contact me off list at mark.albert...@comcast.net

Mark
- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Plavzic" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Zonophone Page


> Dear Mark,
>
> I tried to contact you on your AOL address a few weeks ago as I saw you
had
> the www.zonophone.com address & did not want to get in the way of anything
> you
> were doing, & was asking if you wanted to do something together?
>
> Thanks very much for your info. Would you also have the date for the later
> home?
>
> many thanks
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Mark Albertson" 
> >Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List 
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> >Robert:
> >
> >The first machine you asked ID for is a Home with the later simplified
> >case...the bottom trim is much plainer than the earlier Home (who's base
is
> >similar to the Model C).
> >
> >When looking at the plight of the Zonophone under the direction of Frank
> >Seaman, it is important to remember that his specialty was in marketing.
> >With that, it is quite interesting to compare what he was introducing to
> >the
> >marketplace to those of his competitors (Berliner, Columbia, and Edison).
> >By being aggressive and introducing many different models (with different
> >production needs) at once, he always seamed to be financially strapped.
> >Hence the first bankruptcy in 1900...and the near or verge of bankruptcy
in
> >the fall of 1903 when Eldridge Johnson bought the assets of Seaman for
> >$135K
> >(October 1903).
> >
> >The correct order of machines is:
> >
> >Model A
> >Model B
> >Model C
> >
> >Then came:
> >
> >Model D
> >Concert Grand (early version)...and european version London Grand
> >plus a couple of known but unaccounted for versions or models
> >
> >Then came bankruptcy.
> >
> >

[Phono-L] Zonophone List - OPPS

[Mark Albertson]

Ah yes...two rules:

1. Don't type anything until you have had one full cup of coffee.
2. Proofread.

LOL..zonophone has an "h" in it and the list order should be:

> Home (two case versions)(some with russian bedplate writing, some without)
> Parlor (some with russian bedplate writing, some without)
> Concert (early bedplate is smooth and later bedplate is waffle)
> Grand
> Concert Grand (early bedplate is smooth and later bedplate is waffle)
> Grand Opera (early bedplate is smooth and later bedplate is very ornate)


The Zonophone Grand is a machine that does not show up often and is not well
documented.  A tough bird to find.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Albertson" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Zonophone Page


> Robert:
>
> The first machine you asked ID for is a Home with the later simplified
> case...the bottom trim is much plainer than the earlier Home (who's base
is
> similar to the Model C).
>
> When looking at the plight of the Zonophone under the direction of Frank
> Seaman, it is important to remember that his specialty was in marketing.
> With that, it is quite interesting to compare what he was introducing to
the
> marketplace to those of his competitors (Berliner, Columbia, and Edison).
> By being aggressive and introducing many different models (with different
> production needs) at once, he always seamed to be financially strapped.
> Hence the first bankruptcy in 1900...and the near or verge of bankruptcy
in
> the fall of 1903 when Eldridge Johnson bought the assets of Seaman for
$135K
> (October 1903).
>
> The correct order of machines is:
>
> Model A
> Model B
> Model C
>
> Then came:
>
> Model D
> Concert Grand (early version)...and european version London Grand
> plus a couple of known but unaccounted for versions or models
>
> Then came bankruptcy.
>
> Then..nine months laterand after reorganization, came:
>
> Home (two case versions)(some with russian bedplate writing, some without)
> Parlor (some with russian bedplate writing, some without)
> Grand
> Concert (early bedplate is smooth and later bedplate is waffle)
> Concert Grand (early bedplate is smooth and later bedplate is waffle)
> Grand Opera (early bedplate is smooth and later bedplate is very ornate)
>
> There have been a number of variations (within US machines) found...but
most
> of the variations are around decals and decal locations.  Those type of
> minor variations may relate to "what they had on the shelf" via supplier
> issues rather than any other deliberate change.  For what it's worth,
there
> seams to be some patterns as to serial numbers as least as to series or
> groupings of numbers for different models as well.
>
> If you want additional info, you can contact me off list.
>
> Mark Albertson
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Robert Plavzic" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 5:48 AM
> Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Page
>
>
> > Hello
> >
> > As threatened, a page to present an overview of Zonophone models. I got
> the
> > pic of the Black Zonophone, which I think is very smart. I hope that the
> > Company history is accurate, & would welcome corrections if there are
> > inaccuracies.
> >
> > The unknown (No.1) I have seen many times but don't know which model it
is
> > (don't laugh), and  the No.2 may be a bit more uncommon.
> >
> > Any other photo's with descriptions are much appreciated
> >
> > its at www.zonophone.netfirms.com
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Robert
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[Phono-L] Frank Seaman

[Mark Albertson]

Your right 1901...not 1900

Yes...the company went from The Universal Talking Machine Co. to the
Universal Talking Machine Manufacturing Co. but I was always under the
impression that Frank Seaman and Louis Valiquet (design) were involved in
both operations.  Who then was at the helm when it reappeared in December
1901?

The only reason I referenced October 1903 is that all the machines from this
period forward have a paper label affixed to the bottom side of the machine
that is dated Oct.1st 1903the first day of the month that is.



- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Zonophone Page


> In a message dated 2/21/2004 9:59:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> mark.albert...@comcast.net writes:
>
> > Hence the first (Zono) bankruptcy in 1900...and the near or verge of
> > bankruptcy in
> > the fall of 1903 when Eldridge Johnson bought the assets of Seaman for
$135K
> > (October 1903).
> >
> 
> There may be some confusion here.
>
>   According tio PHP, the first Zonophone bankruptcy occurred in 1901 - the
> sale of goods took place on Oct 28, 1901, in NYC.
>
>  Johnson's new Victor Co did acquire the (re-organized) Universal Talking
> Machine Mfg Co (Zono) in Sept 1903, but not from Seaman himself. The 135k
was
> paid out in 12 installments to G&T.
>
>   Seaman would later re-appear to handle some of Edison's phono
advertising
> in the 1920s.
>
> Allen
>   www.phonobooks.com
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[Phono-L] Green Oak Columbia Q Wanted

[Mark Albertson]

Hi Everyone:

I'm looking for a very nice original "Green Oak" Columbia Q.

Anyone have one available?

Thanks

Mark Albertson
From appywander  Thu Nov  6 17:32:39 2003
From: appywander (John Maeder)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:25 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Replacing veneer
Message-ID: 

Veneer may be patched, repaired or replaced by brushing (smooth/clean) surfaces 
of carcass and veneer with YELLOW carpenter's glue and allowing to dry 
completely; then using a dry cotton towel and a hot clothes iron, iron the 
veneer in place.  Yellow glue is thermosetting and will melt and adhere when 
heat is applied -- this will NOT work with white carpenter's glue -- only 
yellow glue.  Unlike hide glue, yellow glue is NOT a reversible method.  John M 
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From Phonophan  Thu Nov  6 22:37:24 2003
From: Phonophan (phonop...@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:25 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Green Oak Columbia Q Wanted
Message-ID: <102.383332f5.2cdc7...@aol.com>

Hi, Mark--- check my phono sales page at

www.phonophan.com/sales.html

Also, while on a note of shameless exploitation --- I would like to remind 
all that our next book is coming out early next year --- "PHONOGRAPHICA: the 
early history of recorded sound observed." You can get a special 
pre-publication 
deal on it from my co-author George Paul at gpaul2...@aol.com or me at

www.phonophan.com

Cheers to all,

Tim Fabrizio
Terra Firma Antiques, "phonophan"
PO Box 10307
Rochester, NY 14610
585 244 5546
FAX 585 244 7601
Visit the phonophan Web site at: www.phonophan.com
From pgvancouver  Fri Nov  7 00:46:36 2003
From: pgvancouver (Patrick Gunn)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:25 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Ambrola 30 Veneer Job?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20031107064640.8063.qm...@web11801.mail.yahoo.com>

As for the veneer, I re-veneered an Amberola 30 last year. Instead of
using the more common "red oak" veneer that seems to be available
everywhere, I special ordered "white oak" veneer which apparently is
what was originally used. It's actually not really white, but much more
golden - it's definitely not red though.

Cheers,
Patrick
Vancouver, BC

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[Phono-L] Zonophone Available

[Mark Albertson]

Hey Everyone:

Last week I listed a real nice Zonophone Front Mount Concert Grand with a 30" 
all brass horn on eBay.  The auction number is 6521321306.  The machine came 
close to reserve but didn't sell.  So I wanted to let the list know that it's 
available for $2000 including shipping anywhere in the Continental US.

Check out the auction for pics and description...it's nice.

E-mail me off the list if you are interested.

Mark
From tom...@msn.com  Tue Apr  5 20:04:59 2005
From: tom...@msn.com (Thomas Jordan)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:18 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 help! -- Still not working
References: 
Message-ID: 

The carriage that moves the reproducer along the Mandrel when the stylus in in 
the down position, should be moving if everything is working properly.

If the carriage doesn't move when the machine is running, that is probably the 
source of your problem and more experienced technicians will have to jump in at 
this point.  

If it does move, I would send the reproducer to George Vollema or another 
experienced tech on our list to examine the stylus under a microscope.  

I have walked you through the trouble shooting process that I would follow.  (I 
learned it from other on this list).

Please let me know how it comes out.
Tom
  - Original Message - 
  From: coturn...@aol.com 
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 help! -- Still not working


  Yes, the threaded rod is there and moves and the block does come in contact 
  with it.  

  Is there a pivot toward the front of the horn... or is it just supported by 
  that spring?  Could it be the diamond, and if so how much does a replacement 
  one cost for an Amberola?

  Thanks


  In a message dated 04/05/2005 9:35:15 PM Central Daylight Time, 
  tom...@msn.com writes:
  I would first check the threaded rod that lays directly underneath the 
  mandrel.  Does that rod turn when the machine is running?  If so, there is an 
arm 
  with a threaded block that attaches to the reproducer assembly.  When you 
lower 
  the reproducer, does that block and arm lower down and make contact with the 
  threaded rod?
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[Phono-L] paypal and ebay, was Re: eBay Scam Listing

[Mark Albertson]

Hey Ron:

All you have to do is sell one complete phonograph on eBaythen you go
way over the personal limit of a "free" Paypal account.

Paypal is great for a buyer and sucks big time for a seller.  Passing the
Paypal fees onto the buyer because the buyer wants the "Convenience factor"
is against eBay policies.

Once you exceed the limit of a free account...then you MUST have a Business
Account...then they charge you 3% for any deposit into your account for "any
reason" or from "any source".  So anotherwords, if one of my family members
wanted to send me money via Paypal, it would cost 3%...no sales
involved...just a pure transaction fee.  It's almost as bad as Western Union
fees in which noone in their right mind would use.

Paypal sucksit got alot worse in terms of corporate greed once eBay
bought them...before then it was far more affordable and made reasonable
sense.

And...for the other posts...Peter et.alputting the 3% into the price of
the phono item doesn't really fly...that sounds like an eBay employee
explaination to meit's time to meet reality.

Mark


- Original Message - 
From: "Ron L'Herault" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: [Phono-L] paypal and ebay, was Re: eBay Scam Listing


> Sounds like you are a big seller.  For the casual, personal account ( I
> think it is a $500/mo limit) it is free of fees.
>
> Ron L
>
> -Original Message-
> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
> [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]on Behalf Of funk
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:13 AM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] paypal and ebay, was Re: eBay Scam Listing
>
>
> All of this has been discussed in the past ad nauseum.  Bottom line is,
and
> always has been, this:  It's great for buyers; horrible for sellers.  The
3%
> bleed hurts.  For the seller, it's fees, fees, fees, and then another 3%
to
> close the deal.  UGHHH.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter Fraser" 
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:02 AM
> Subject: [Phono-L] paypal and ebay, was Re: eBay Scam Listing
>
>
> > I'm interested to hear why anyone would say this.  A free service that
> > saves me the effort of finding an envelope and a stamp, accurately
> > addressing the envelope, writing out a check, and going to a post
> > box...plus the week for it to get to the seller, and the week some
> > sellers "need" for the check to clear (or worse, those that require a
> > postal money order, which requires a 20 minute wait in line at my post
> > office) - what's not to like?
> >
> > Perhaps those who criticize it ought to try it before doing so.  It's
> > **extremely** convenient, which is why it's such a success.
> >
> > Users are only charged when they add credit card capability to their
> > account - just like any other credit card fee - but for everyone else,
> > it's free.  So where exactly is the "corporate greed" in that?
> >
> > On Feb 25, 2005, at 5:25 AM, someone wrote:
> >
> > > Paypal has always been nothing other than an insidious example of
> > > egregious
> > > corporate greed.  I have never used it and never will.  A convenience?
> > >  HA
> >
> > -- Peter
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[Phono-L] RE: Zonophone

[Mark Albertson]

Randy:

Everyone think's it is special, and for good reason.

Zonophone (Universal Talking Machine Co.) was started by Frank Seaman.
Seaman had worked for Berliner as the national sales agent prior to
competing directly with Berliner.  So, Zonophone became the main competitor
to Berliner for the disk market at that time.

The company started with three models...the Model A, Model B, and Model C
around 1898-99.  A short time later, they introduced the Model D and the
first version of the Concert Grand.

This auction is for the Model A.  It has the hard to find closed-face
reproducer and an unusual fiber horn that I don't believe is documented.
The condition is average good, is hard to find (the word "rare" can safely
be used in this case), and is the most desireable of the three models
because of the glass side windows.

That's a quick overview...hope it helps.

Mark

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:33 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] RE: Zonophone


> Hello, All:
>
> What is so special about this machine? Obviously someone thinks it's
pretty
> special. Educate me.
>
> Randy
>
> ebay # 6504817243
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[Phono-L] RE: Zonophone

[Mark Albertson]

Stan:

When it first was listed...I thought a minimum of $6,500...but I won't be
surprised to see considerably more.

Mark


- Original Message - 
From: "Stan Stanford" 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RE: Zonophone


> It looks like a Zonophone A, one of the earliest Zonophones.   It's an
> attractive machine with 2 glass sides.   It looks all original including
the
> reproducer.   It was the highest priced Zonophone at the time.   It does
> look a little rusty, so I'm surprised it's going for that much.   I would
> have thought about $5,000.Obviously I'm wrong.   The horn looks
unusual.
> Is it paper mache? I have an all original Zonophone A, but is has an
all
> brass horn.
>
> stan
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:33 PM
> Subject: [Phono-L] RE: Zonophone
>
>
> > Hello, All:
> >
> > What is so special about this machine? Obviously someone thinks it's
> > pretty
> > special. Educate me.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > ebay # 6504817243
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[Phono-L] Zonophone Phonos For Sale

[Mark Albertson]

Hi Fellow Collectors:

>From my personal collection, I am offering two Zonophones for sale.  For the 
>time being, they are being offered as a set because they are like twins.

One is the front mount version of the metal bedplate Concert model and the 
other is the same Concert model but in the rear mount style.  Both machines 
have original parts (no reproductions), are in excellent condition, and present 
very well side-by-side. Both have all brass horns that are quite attractive.

If you are interested in acquiring Zonophones for your collection, this is a 
great opportunity.

If your seriously interested, please contact me off the list for a detailed 
description of condition, etc. I have plenty of photos that I can send as well.

Happy Holidays

Mark Albertson  
From steve_nor...@msn.com  Tue Dec  7 11:29:23 2004
From: steve_nor...@msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:56 2006
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison signed Record box
References: <20041207035640.78792.qm...@web52003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

Philip,

Outstanding, I really enjoyed this one, so far it is the best response, let 
me know if the seller replies.

Steve

> I just wrote the seller and told him he should have
> included the Sharpie pen as one of Edisons inventions,
> it would have added more credibility to this piece of
> crap item..
>
>
> --- Phillip Sands  wrote:
> 

[Phono-L] Forsythe Auctions

[Mark Albertson]

I wasn't there either. I just had some detailed photos on a few of the
machines (including the handwind) sent from the auction house.  Then I
watched on eBay.  Your right, the school house was an okay deal as well.

Mark

- Original Message - 
From: "Vince C." 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Forsythe Auctions


> I saw a VV-XXV go for $3,000 that look like a good deal and a Pathe
Actuelle
> upright for only $190, that was an even better deal.
>
> Of course I was just looking on EBAY at the auction.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Albertson" 
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Forsythe Auctions
>
>
> > The Berliner handwind for $4K was a complete reproduction...not just
some
> > of
> > it...but all of it.  That's alot of money for a reproduction.
> >
> > The Victor B had tons of reproduction parts too...all the upper works.
> >
> > There were a couple of good deals such as the Victor VI and the Mahogany
> > Triumphbut other than that, prices seamed high.  In some cases,
prices
> > were out-of-sight.  The glass sided Zonophone had the wrong motor...thus
> > the
> > case had one too many holes in it.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Robert Plavzic" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:39 AM
> > Subject: [Phono-L] Forsythe Auctions
> >
> >
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> A friend just sent me a link to a phonograph auction that took place
this
> >> weekend. Pity I did not see it earlier, as it looks like a lot of
quality
> >> items.
> >>
> >> For example a hand driven berliner was $4000, probably because of
> >> possibly
> >> remade / reproduction wood parts. There were some other very smart and
> >> desirable victors and other machines as well.
> >>
> >> Was anyone from the list there?
> >>
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
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