php-general Digest 16 Nov 2011 12:13:49 -0000 Issue 7570
php-general Digest 16 Nov 2011 12:13:49 - Issue 7570 Topics (messages 315704 through 315710): Re: Think I found a PHP bug 315704 by: Jim Lucas Re: Safari and PDF 315705 by: HallMarc Websites 315708 by: Tamara Temple 315709 by: Tim Streater 315710 by: HallMarc Websites Re: Sniping on the List 315706 by: Shawn McKenzie 315707 by: Tamara Temple Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-subscr...@lists.php.net To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-unsubscr...@lists.php.net To post to the list, e-mail: php-gene...@lists.php.net -- ---BeginMessage--- On 11/15/2011 2:58 PM, Tim Streater wrote: On 15 Nov 2011 at 22:34, Geoff Shang ge...@quitelikely.com wrote: The bug is that if a server's timezone is set to Europe/London and you don't set an explicit timezone in your script, if it's winter time in the UK, PHP thinks the timezone is UTC instead of Europe/London. I find I need to do this: date_default_timezone_set (@date_default_timezone_get ()); in all my scripts since 5.x.x to avoid rude messages. -- Cheers -- Tim Also, I recalled something from the early 5.1.0 version that was related to the introduction of the date_timezone_set() function. So, from there I searched Google for php changelog and found the changelog for php v5. Then I searched that document for 'date_' and found that under the 5.1.0 they added the above function. How it is stated, it makes me think that PHP now requires you to call this function prior to any use of other date functions. I cannot find anything in the php manual confirming my last statement. YMMV 1 http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.date-timezone-set.php 2 http://php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.1.0 -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ http://www.bendsource.com/ C - (541) 408-5189 O - (541) 323-9113 H - (541) 323-4219 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- And in conclusion; sorry, I get uppity after a long day LOL. It's as I already thought; the answer is NO. So here is what I will do for any of you looking for an answer and stumbling across my slight rant, I will detect if it is Safari 5.1.x and then just remove the view link and leave them with a download link only. Sucks if you ask me. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:04:42 -0500, HallMarc Websites m...@hallmarcwebsites.com sent: On the face of it, if you are writing a PHP application for others to use, *forcing* a particular behaviour on them (on *their* own machine) is probably not a good idea. Why not let the user deal with this as they see fit? One can go way too far trying to ensure a uniform experience among users, who may not even care what other users are experiencing. One size *never* fits all. On the face of it; Apple needs to stop mucking with what already works! The issue is this, Apple in all of its wonderful glory decided to drop support for pdf via the acrobat plugin. Didn't bother to tell anyone about this. You now need to use their Preview feature ONLY if you want to view a pdf in your browser. Otherwise you get nothing but a big white empty screen. No notice, no warning, just a big white screen. Know what I've been getting from my clients? Grief! I'm the one writing the code for their site and since Apple can do no wrong it's me that must be the idiot. [] Sorry, just sick and tired of Apple trying to bring everything under their tightly locked proprietary software mitts. As to why do I want to do this... because it is better than telling my client that they need to give their clients instruction on how to view something they have been comfortably using and viewing without issue until recently. Well, okay, I can understand how Apple changing how something works affects things downstream if developers and subsequently end users have to change the way they are doing something they have been used to. As I never (ever!) downloaded the adobe acrobat reader software on my mac, I never experienced this. As far as I know, when I get a PDF, it's always downloaded and I view it in Preview or Skim. The more cardinal point that the one I gave above about giving end users choice is never force an end user to change how they do something they're used to doing. My point is also largely philosophical. On practicalities, one does what one must. -- Tamara Temple aka tamouse__ May you never see a stranger's face in the mirror ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On 16 Nov 2011 at 00:43, HallMarc Websites m...@hallmarcwebsites.com wrote: And in conclusion; sorry, I get uppity after a long day LOL. It's as I already thought; the answer is NO. So here is what I will do for any of you looking for an answer and stumbling across my slight rant, I will detect if it is
php-general Digest 17 Nov 2011 01:14:42 -0000 Issue 7571
php-general Digest 17 Nov 2011 01:14:42 - Issue 7571
Topics (messages 315711 through 315720):
Re: Safari and PDF
315711 by: Tim Streater
315714 by: Tommy Pham
Re: Sniping on the List
315712 by: Ashley Sheridan
{} forms
315713 by: Tim Streater
315715 by: Richard Quadling
315716 by: Tim Streater
315719 by: Robert Cummings
Re: Think I found a PHP bug
315717 by: Geoff Shang
315718 by: Geoff Shang
no regrets after doing this venture...
315720 by: Nirmalya Lahiri
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On 16 Nov 2011 at 12:13, HallMarc Websites m...@hallmarcwebsites.com wrote:
Seems strange that you are given a choice. My clients have been telling me
that they are told to get the latest Acrobat Reader by Safari. Which they have
done (again why allow a plugin that isn't supported get installed to begin
with) only to be told the same exact thing the next time the click on a pdf.
Perhaps they just need to completely de-install the Acrobat plugin. When a PDF
is in a Safari widow, there is a fade-in/fade-out
type of array of things you can click on at the bottom of the window (not good
UI, IMO, but there it is). You can choose to open in Preview, Save, or
increase/decrease zoom. If you do nothing then the array fades out, but
reappears if you mouse down there. As I say, I've not had, or needed, Acrobat
Reader on a Mac for some 10 years. Trouble is, all these sites telling you to
download this PDF and needs Acrobat Reader which is complete cock.
Anyway, I realize this topic is now slightly off list.
True but I think you needed a rant :-)
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Cheers -- Tim
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:13 AM, HallMarc Websites
m...@hallmarcwebsites.com wrote:
Seems strange that you are given a choice. My clients have been telling me
that they are told to get the latest Acrobat Reader by Safari. Which they
have done (again why allow a plugin that isn't supported get installed to
begin with) only to be told the same exact thing the next time the click on a
pdf. Anyway, I realize this topic is now slightly off list.
Perhaps their system administrator / tech support person doesn't know
any better about what's available in OS X and decided to install
Acrobat Reader?
Regards,
Tommy
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Now, if you have ANY idea who I am
Does anyone know who this guy is, as he seems to have forgotten :p
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Thanks,
Ash
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I'm looking at the source of a web sockets server and I see these various forms:
ws://{$host}{$path}
HTTP/1.1 ${status}\r\n
Are these simply equivalent to:
ws:// . $host . $path
HTTP/1.1 . $status . \r\n;
and if so, is there any particular benefit to using that form? Or if not, what
do they mean?
(I've read up about variable variables).
Thanks,
--
Cheers -- Tim
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On 16 November 2011 13:56, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote:
I'm looking at the source of a web sockets server and I see these various
forms:
ws://{$host}{$path}
HTTP/1.1 ${status}\r\n
Are these simply equivalent to:
ws:// . $host . $path
HTTP/1.1 . $status . \r\n;
and if so, is there any particular benefit to using that form? Or if not,
what do they mean?
(I've read up about variable variables).
Thanks,
--
Cheers -- Tim
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If you want to embed $array[CONSTANT], then the {} is used.
I use {} out of habit for non arrays. Not sure if there is an impact.
http://docs.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#example-71
shows the use.
Oh. I've fixed the layout bug for
http://docs.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#example-70.
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On 16 Nov 2011 at 14:27, Richard Quadling rquadl...@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to embed $array[CONSTANT], then the {} is used.
I use {} out of habit for non arrays. Not sure if there is an impact.
http://docs.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#example-71
shows the use.
Oh. I've fixed the layout bug for
http://docs.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#example-70.
Ah *that's* where it was hiding. Thanks - got it now.
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Cheers -- Tim
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On 11-11-16 09:27 AM, Richard Quadling wrote:
On 16 November 2011
Re: RE: [PHP] Safari and PDF
On 16 Nov 2011 at 00:43, HallMarc Websites m...@hallmarcwebsites.com wrote: And in conclusion; sorry, I get uppity after a long day LOL. It's as I already thought; the answer is NO. So here is what I will do for any of you looking for an answer and stumbling across my slight rant, I will detect if it is Safari 5.1.x and then just remove the view link and leave them with a download link only. Sucks if you ask me. I have to say that I still really have no clue what you are talking about. Why would anyone with OS X want Acrobat Reader, when there is a perfectly good [1] application (note: application, not feature) available that does the task just as well. And when the PDF shows up in Safari you can choose to view it there or open in Preview. I only do the latter if I intend to save the PDF, which is not always the case. [1] Preview also allows me to adjust images when I can't be bothered to fire up Elements. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: RE: [PHP] Safari and PDF
I have to say that I still really have no clue what you are talking about. Why would anyone with OS X want Acrobat Reader, when there is a perfectly good [1] application (note: application, not feature) available that does the task just as well. And when the PDF shows up in Safari you can choose to view it there or open in Preview. I only do the latter if I intend to save the PDF, which is not always the case. [1] Preview also allows me to adjust images when I can't be bothered to fire up Elements. -- Cheers -- Tim [] Seems strange that you are given a choice. My clients have been telling me that they are told to get the latest Acrobat Reader by Safari. Which they have done (again why allow a plugin that isn't supported get installed to begin with) only to be told the same exact thing the next time the click on a pdf. Anyway, I realize this topic is now slightly off list. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: RE: RE: [PHP] Safari and PDF
On 16 Nov 2011 at 12:13, HallMarc Websites m...@hallmarcwebsites.com wrote: Seems strange that you are given a choice. My clients have been telling me that they are told to get the latest Acrobat Reader by Safari. Which they have done (again why allow a plugin that isn't supported get installed to begin with) only to be told the same exact thing the next time the click on a pdf. Perhaps they just need to completely de-install the Acrobat plugin. When a PDF is in a Safari widow, there is a fade-in/fade-out type of array of things you can click on at the bottom of the window (not good UI, IMO, but there it is). You can choose to open in Preview, Save, or increase/decrease zoom. If you do nothing then the array fades out, but reappears if you mouse down there. As I say, I've not had, or needed, Acrobat Reader on a Mac for some 10 years. Trouble is, all these sites telling you to download this PDF and needs Acrobat Reader which is complete cock. Anyway, I realize this topic is now slightly off list. True but I think you needed a rant :-) -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Sniping on the List
Now, if you have ANY idea who I am Does anyone know who this guy is, as he seems to have forgotten :p -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] {} forms
I'm looking at the source of a web sockets server and I see these various forms:
ws://{$host}{$path}
HTTP/1.1 ${status}\r\n
Are these simply equivalent to:
ws:// . $host . $path
HTTP/1.1 . $status . \r\n;
and if so, is there any particular benefit to using that form? Or if not, what
do they mean?
(I've read up about variable variables).
Thanks,
--
Cheers -- Tim
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Re: RE: [PHP] Safari and PDF
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:13 AM, HallMarc Websites m...@hallmarcwebsites.com wrote: Seems strange that you are given a choice. My clients have been telling me that they are told to get the latest Acrobat Reader by Safari. Which they have done (again why allow a plugin that isn't supported get installed to begin with) only to be told the same exact thing the next time the click on a pdf. Anyway, I realize this topic is now slightly off list. Perhaps their system administrator / tech support person doesn't know any better about what's available in OS X and decided to install Acrobat Reader? Regards, Tommy -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] {} forms
On 16 November 2011 13:56, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote:
I'm looking at the source of a web sockets server and I see these various
forms:
ws://{$host}{$path}
HTTP/1.1 ${status}\r\n
Are these simply equivalent to:
ws:// . $host . $path
HTTP/1.1 . $status . \r\n;
and if so, is there any particular benefit to using that form? Or if not,
what do they mean?
(I've read up about variable variables).
Thanks,
--
Cheers -- Tim
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If you want to embed $array[CONSTANT], then the {} is used.
I use {} out of habit for non arrays. Not sure if there is an impact.
http://docs.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#example-71
shows the use.
Oh. I've fixed the layout bug for
http://docs.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#example-70.
--
Richard Quadling
Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc : Fantasy Shopper
@RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea :
fan.sh/6/370
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Re: Re: [PHP] {} forms
On 16 Nov 2011 at 14:27, Richard Quadling rquadl...@gmail.com wrote:
If you want to embed $array[CONSTANT], then the {} is used.
I use {} out of habit for non arrays. Not sure if there is an impact.
http://docs.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#example-71
shows the use.
Oh. I've fixed the layout bug for
http://docs.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#example-70.
Ah *that's* where it was hiding. Thanks - got it now.
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Re: [PHP] Think I found a PHP bug
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011, Jim Lucas wrote: Also, I recalled something from the early 5.1.0 version that was related to the introduction of the date_timezone_set() function. So, from there I searched Google for php changelog and found the changelog for php v5. Then I searched that document for 'date_' and found that under the 5.1.0 they added the above function. How it is stated, it makes me think that PHP now requires you to call this function prior to any use of other date functions. I cannot find anything in the php manual confirming my last statement. YMMV If you don't use date_default_timezone_set(), it's supposed to use the server timezone. I recalled reading that a notice/warning would be logged if you did this, but like you, I can't find any reference to this now. I've searched my apache error logs and can't find anything there either, which seems to suggest that this in fact is not the case. In case it wasn't obvious in my original post, this worked just fine during UK summer time. It's only since the clocks changed two weeks ago that PHP has been thinking that the server timezone is UTC rather than Europe/London. Geoff. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Think I found a PHP bug
On Wed, 15 Nov 2011, Tim Streater wrote: I find I need to do this: date_default_timezone_set (@date_default_timezone_get ()); in all my scripts since 5.x.x to avoid rude messages. Apart from the fact that I've not seen the rude messages of which you speak, even though I expected to, this won't help in this case. date_default_timezone_get() is returning the wrong timezone. Geoff. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] {} forms
On 11-11-16 09:27 AM, Richard Quadling wrote:
On 16 November 2011 13:56, Tim Streatert...@clothears.org.uk wrote:
I'm looking at the source of a web sockets server and I see these various forms:
ws://{$host}{$path}
HTTP/1.1 ${status}\r\n
Are these simply equivalent to:
ws:// . $host . $path
HTTP/1.1 . $status . \r\n;
and if so, is there any particular benefit to using that form? Or if not, what
do they mean?
(I've read up about variable variables).
If you want to embed $array[CONSTANT], then the {} is used.
I use {} out of habit for non arrays. Not sure if there is an impact.
The braces are also used when the characters following the variable are
also valid variable name characters :)
Cheers,
Rob.
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