Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January,2008:php-general@lists.php.net
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:14:34 +, David Powers wrote: A Google check on my email address shows that, with one exception, it has been released into the public domain solely through archives and mirrors of this list. The exception is a private group, whose administrator I have alerted to avoid the leaking of other people's addresses. Google also found (for me) an XLS file, containing your email address and what appears to be your home address and phone number. The file itself is gone but Google has an HTML version of it, if you know where to find it. One more google comes up with a nice picture of your house in the first result. Interesting what you can find these days. /Nisse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Sat, January 19, 2008 12:51 pm, Per Jessen wrote: David Powers wrote: When I subscribed to the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission for this. This is an international list, and what you're doing breaks EU privacy laws, and possibly those in other countries too. Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. By participating on a public mailing list, you accept that your postings and your email-address may be essentially be sent to all and sundry. You'll also have a VERY tough time trying to ram EU privacy laws through a non-EU court, if Dan is not in the EU... You *know* it's an international list, so you *know* you cannot expect your local laws to apply. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Richard Lynch wrote: You'll also have a VERY tough time trying to ram EU privacy laws through a non-EU court, if Dan is not in the EU... Forcing American law on other people of the world has not been a problem for America, why should it be a problem for the EU? :-( You *know* it's an international list, so you *know* you cannot expect your local laws to apply. If anything the applicable law is most probably that of the country in which the mailserver is located (USA), but local law may perfectly well apply to individual posters. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
2008. 01. 19, szombat keltezéssel 11.12-kor Daniel Brown ezt írta:
Aside from that, Zoltan, if you happen to be able to find the
function to post without much problem, feel free, and I'll look into
incorporating it into the script. Otherwise, I can fix it myself. My
fault for not thinking about non-English characters and such.
here you are. it is from my Imap class so it might need some refactoring
to fit your code, but aside from that it works for me well.
/**
* decodes email headers to utf-8 (and optionally kills line breaks
+
cuts to width adding ...)
*
* @param string $ret text to be decoded
* @param boolean $killReturnChars whether to kill return characters
* @param boolean $replaceTags whether to replace with gt; and
with lt;
* @param int $maxLength nr of characters returned
* @return string utf-8 encoded string
**/
public function decode_mail_header($ret, $killReturnChars = true,
$replaceTags = false, $maxLength = 0)
{
mb_internal_encoding('utf-8');
$dec = imap_mime_header_decode($ret);
$ret = '';
foreach ($dec as $as)
{
$text= $as-text;
$charset = $as-charset;
if ($charset == 'default' || empty($charset))
{
$charset = 'iso-8859-1';
}
else if ($charset == 'x-unknown')
{ // if somehow (faulty header) cannot be decoded give it another
try
$text = @mb_decode_mimeheader($text);
}
$ret .= @mb_convert_encoding($text, 'utf-8', $charset);
}
if ($maxLength 0)
{
$len = mb_strwidth($ret, 'utf-8');
if ($len $maxLength)
{
$ret = mb_substr($ret, 0, $maxLength, 'utf-8') . '...';
}
}
// kill return chars
if ($killReturnChars)
{
$ret = mb_ereg_replace(\r, ' ', $ret);
$ret = mb_ereg_replace(\n, ' ', $ret);
}
if ($replaceTags)
{
$ret = mb_ereg_replace('', 'lt;', $ret);
$ret = mb_ereg_replace('', 'gt;', $ret);
}
return $ret;
}
greets
Zoltán Németh
--
/Dan
Daniel P. Brown
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Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Nathan Nobbe wrote: i didnt see the option in gmail; but if you know where it is or how to set it up in gmail, i will happily take the 2 seconds to enable it. Sorry, I don't use gmail. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 9:39 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2008 9:25 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at least we know which subject will make it to the top next week nice; say, dan, here comes another feature request; can we see the top thread (or 3 :)) as well ? That would actually be pretty interesting. Since we've all been known to beat a thread to death, it certainly wouldn't be difficult to collect the data. -- /Dan Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 20, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Jan 19, 2008 9:39 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2008 9:25 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at least we know which subject will make it to the top next week nice; say, dan, here comes another feature request; can we see the top thread (or 3 :)) as well ? That would actually be pretty interesting. Since we've all been known to beat a thread to death, it certainly wouldn't be difficult to collect the data. Dan, Are you implying that people on this list have ego's and they can't let them selves be proven wrong? And will keep sending messages about stuff until everyone else just gives up and starts forwarding their e- mail to /dev/null? Because... That so wouldn't fit with the image of the people I have seen on here :P -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Andrés Robinet wrote: 3 - I don't like the attitude of both Dan and David. IMHO, David thinks the issue is more severe than it is, and Dan just won't recognize that mangling email addresses is kind of a (arguably also) standard practice. No public apologize is needed, but maybe Yeah, I just didn't consider that would be enough. Well said, Andrés. This has been blown out of all proportion by the sarcastic response I got from Dan, followed up by a group of his friends trying to make out the the problem was all of my own making. If the response had been, Shucks, sorry, I'll mangle the addresses (or leave them out) in future, that would have been an end of it. Instead, Dan and his friends decided that attack was the best form of defence, calling me names and questioning my integrity. But what if everyone's addresses had been gathered by someone with a less innocent intent than Dan's statistics? I consider this conversation closed. -- David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 10:04 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: That would actually be pretty interesting. Since we've all been known to beat a thread to death, it certainly wouldn't be difficult to collect the data. FWIW, I would like to continue to see these postings, as mailing list metrics are quite interesting. I have been watching this thread with quite a bit of interest, as I would like to do something similar with the mailing lists for my project(s). Those projects answer to funders, and one of the metrics that our funders would like to see, is mailing list stats. If you do a quick google for mailman stat packages, you will see that they are sorely lacking, so, even though this particular list is not run on mailman, Dan's script could be the start of a *really* useful project for me and others. Only thing is that Dan has not posted a link to the source, nor has he signified that he will. I have also seen a bunch of requests for graphs and such, which I would be willing to add on in some time. Bottom line is, I find this really interesting and useful, and would like to use it elsewhere too. THANKS DAN! You are at least in the top ten coolest guys in the world --Paul All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/public/portal_services/disclaimer.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On 20 Jan 2008, at 17:49, David Powers wrote: Andrés Robinet wrote: 3 - I don't like the attitude of both Dan and David. IMHO, David thinks the issue is more severe than it is, and Dan just won't recognize that mangling email addresses is kind of a (arguably also) standard practice. No public apologize is needed, but maybe Yeah, I just didn't consider that would be enough. Well said, Andrés. This has been blown out of all proportion by the sarcastic response I got from Dan, followed up by a group of his friends trying to make out the the problem was all of my own making. If the response had been, Shucks, sorry, I'll mangle the addresses (or leave them out) in future, that would have been an end of it. Instead, Dan and his friends decided that attack was the best form of defence, calling me names and questioning my integrity. But what if everyone's addresses had been gathered by someone with a less innocent intent than Dan's statistics? Therein lies the crux of the matter. Dan was able to gather the addresses without someone else publishing them in the way he did. The list is public, anyone can join it, so there is nothing stopping a spammer from collecting addresses in the same way. What Dan did has certainly not made it any easier for spammers to get your address. You seem unable to accept that you are the one that put your email address out there for anyone to collect. If you can't understand that then there is indeed no point in continuing the conversation. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Stut wrote: You seem unable to accept that you are the one that put your email address out there for anyone to collect. If you can't understand that then there is indeed no point in continuing the conversation. I do understand it. What I object to is a supposedly responsible member of this list publishing everyone's address, and then attacking me for criticising him for such a dumb move. __ David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On 20 Jan 2008, at 18:02, David Powers wrote: Stut wrote: You seem unable to accept that you are the one that put your email address out there for anyone to collect. If you can't understand that then there is indeed no point in continuing the conversation. I do understand it. What I object to is a supposedly responsible member of this list publishing everyone's address, and then attacking me for criticising him for such a dumb move. You're still missing the point. Every time you send a message to this list *you* are publishing your email address. What Dan's done a) was only possible because you had already published your address, and b) almost certainly won't result in more spambots picking up your address than would have anyway. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 18:02 +, David Powers wrote: Stut wrote: You seem unable to accept that you are the one that put your email address out there for anyone to collect. If you can't understand that then there is indeed no point in continuing the conversation. I do understand it. What I object to is a supposedly responsible member of this list publishing everyone's address, and then attacking me for criticising him for such a dumb move. I've been away for a while... but been reading through this thread a bit. Seems the push and shove of the thread revolves around re-publishing what has already been publicly published. As Stut pointed out, when you post to this list, your address becomes public. Dan has neither added nor subtracted from the publicly available pool of email addresses. As such, and within this context, nothing has been gained and nothing has been lost. I understand what you are thinking, but the fact remains your address is already public for having posted to the list. It seems you are getting bent out of shape because you aren't grasping this fact. Dan hasn't done anything wrong nor does he owe any apologies or concessions. Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net
Robert Cummings wrote: I understand what you are thinking, but the fact remains your address is already public for having posted to the list. It seems you are getting bent out of shape because you aren't grasping this fact. Dan hasn't done anything wrong nor does he owe any apologies or concessions. I am not naive enough to think that my email address would have remained secret if Dan hadn't published the list. Unfortunately, this is the only newsgroup out of more than 20 that I regularly monitor or contribute to that exposes individual addresses. I have tried posting in the past with a munged address, but the post was rejected. I took the risk of using an address that had been spam-free for years in the full knowledge of what might happen. I did so, because this seemed a professional list, and the address remained spam-free for about a year after my first post. It's only within the last couple of months that spam has started coming in. Whether it's this list that's been harvested, it's impossible to say. Of course, anyone with the appropriate coding skill can harvest addresses from this list, as Dan has shown. I just don't think it's sensible for a responsible member to hand the addresses of 100 members on a plate to all and sundry. As I've said before, if Dan's response had been, Sorry, that wasn't meant to happen, that would have been the end of it. And now this really must be the end of it. __ David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net
have you ever googled for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? looks like it brings up some thread from around september of 07... oh wait; isnt that before dan started up the stat program .. -nathan
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net
On Sunday 20 January 2008 22:06:54 Nathan Nobbe wrote: have you ever googled for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? looks like it brings up some thread from around september of 07... oh wait; isnt that before dan started up the stat program .. -nathan MAN don't expose it like that. Now he'll get tons upon tons of spam :D -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net
On Sunday 20 January 2008 19:58:03 David Powers wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: I understand what you are thinking, but the fact remains your address is already public for having posted to the list. It seems you are getting bent out of shape because you aren't grasping this fact. Dan hasn't done anything wrong nor does he owe any apologies or concessions. I am not naive enough to think that my email address would have remained secret if Dan hadn't published the list. Unfortunately, this is the only newsgroup out of more than 20 that I regularly monitor or contribute to that exposes individual addresses. I have tried posting in the past with a munged address, but the post was rejected. I took the risk of using an address that had been spam-free for years in the full knowledge of what might happen. I did so, because this seemed a professional list, and the address remained spam-free for about a year after my first post. It's only within the last couple of months that spam has started coming in. Whether it's this list that's been harvested, it's impossible to say. Of course, anyone with the appropriate coding skill can harvest addresses from this list, as Dan has shown. I just don't think it's sensible for a responsible member to hand the addresses of 100 members on a plate to all and sundry. As I've said before, if Dan's response had been, Sorry, that wasn't meant to happen, that would have been the end of it. And now this really must be the end of it. You really don't get it yet? You distributed it, I knew your email long before Dan did squat, didn't take any programming to acomplish that. And for skills? I'm poor at regexp (as in I SUCK) but hell, even I could do an harvest directly from postfix and you would come up time after time by your own hand, a few mails more with the mention of your email wouldn't do any difference, see; I got you one the first mail. __ David Powers -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 20, 2008 4:09 PM, Børge Holen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAN don't expose it like that. Now he'll get tons upon tons of spam :D damn, did i, like, just publish it again :-O -nathan
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net
On Sunday 20 January 2008 22:38:24 Robert Cummings wrote: On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 16:13 -0500, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Jan 20, 2008 4:09 PM, Børge Holen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAN don't expose it like that. Now he'll get tons upon tons of spam :D damn, did i, like, just publish it again :-O Is this going to turn into one of those things like with the Blu-Ray decryption code? nono. Depending on the reply from david it either: Turns into a twin peak thriller with a sudden stop or a soap like bold and the beautiful episode 345k we'll just go on and on and on and on. Slashdot in 10... ;) Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 20, 2008 4:38 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 16:13 -0500, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Jan 20, 2008 4:09 PM, Børge Holen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAN don't expose it like that. Now he'll get tons upon tons of spam :D damn, did i, like, just publish it again :-O Is this going to turn into one of those things like with the Blu-Ray decryption code? Slashdot in 10... ;) good to have you back around rob! btw.. not to like steal a thread or anything, did you see my thread on the crypt() thing? mind tossing 2 cents at it ? -nathan
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008:php-general@lists.php.net
On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 16:13 -0500, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Jan 20, 2008 4:09 PM, Børge Holen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAN don't expose it like that. Now he'll get tons upon tons of spam :D damn, did i, like, just publish it again :-O Is this going to turn into one of those things like with the Blu-Ray decryption code? Slashdot in 10... ;) Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January,2008:php-general@lists.php.net
Børge Holen wrote: You really don't get it yet? You distributed it, I knew your email long before Dan did squat, didn't take any programming to acomplish that. Obviously, you don't get it either. It's now common practice to remove email addresses from public forums. Instead of justifying Dan's mistake (which he has acknowledged by agreeing to remove or obfuscate email addresses in future reports), why not consider whether privacy could be improved on the PHP list? A Google check on my email address shows that, with one exception, it has been released into the public domain solely through archives and mirrors of this list. The exception is a private group, whose administrator I have alerted to avoid the leaking of other people's addresses. Of course, I could set up a throwaway address; and I do have a pretty effective spam trap. But I still need to check them both. It's a waste of time. Spam is an upleasant fact of life, but if you consider yourselves competent professionals, you should be doing what you can to combat it. Dan's post didn't start the leak of addresses, but it should be regarded as a wakeup call to the way this list is configured and run. -- David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
David Powers schreef: PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote: Posting Summary for PHP-General List Thanks a bundle, Dan, for publicizing everyone's email address. All the addresses are in plain text, even on the news server web interface ready for spambots to harvest. that horse had bolted long before dan ever wrote ran his script. I really can't see how dan has made things any worse .. all the posters to this list (and countless other lists) have been 'exposed' hundreds of times over already. -- David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 8:39 AM, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote: Posting Summary for PHP-General List Thanks a bundle, Dan, for publicizing everyone's email address. All the addresses are in plain text, even on the news server web interface ready for spambots to harvest. My pleasure, David but before you start sounding *completely* victimized and pointing the finger, you may want to think about the fact that your email address is already plain text on some of the archive sites --- including MARC. Just go to Google and type in your address five results with plain text email address posting (and much more when you visit each link). However, if it's that big of a deal to you or anyone else, let me know and I'll have the script omit your address from the report. I'm still going to track the information, including each email address, but I'll remove the addresses of those who may otherwise have nothing to whine about. ;-P Aside from that, Zoltan, if you happen to be able to find the function to post without much problem, feel free, and I'll look into incorporating it into the script. Otherwise, I can fix it myself. My fault for not thinking about non-English characters and such. -- /Dan Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
i think the script is pretty cool, dan ;) -nathan
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Sat, January 19, 2008 7:39 am, David Powers wrote: PostTrack [Dan Brown] wrote: Posting Summary for PHP-General List Thanks a bundle, Dan, for publicizing everyone's email address. All the addresses are in plain text, even on the news server web interface ready for spambots to harvest. I agree with you in spirit. This mailing list is already archived/re-posted in SO many places that one more won't make much difference... Still, every little bit helps. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Daniel Brown wrote: My pleasure, David but before you start sounding *completely* victimized and pointing the finger, you may want to think about the fact that your email address is already plain text on some of the archive sites --- including MARC. Just go to Google and type in your address five results with plain text email address posting (and much more when you visit each link). Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people, including yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader program to remove the sender's address from replies. However, if it's that big of a deal to you or anyone else, let me know and I'll have the script omit your address from the report. I'm still going to track the information, including each email address, but I'll remove the addresses of those who may otherwise have nothing to whine about. This isn't a whine. The reason the PHP lists require a genuine email address for posting is to cut back on spam. I managed to keep this address spam-free for many years. Not any longer. Your action has not helped. If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this mailing list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP site. If there is one, I couldn't find it. -- David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 12:30 PM, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: My pleasure, David but before you start sounding *completely* victimized and pointing the finger, you may want to think about the fact that your email address is already plain text on some of the archive sites --- including MARC. Just go to Google and type in your address five results with plain text email address posting (and much more when you visit each link). Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people, including yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader program to remove the sender's address from replies. By removing the email address, it completely defeats the purpose of post tracking. That bit may have escaped you from the layout of the report. However, if it's that big of a deal to you or anyone else, let me know and I'll have the script omit your address from the report. I'm still going to track the information, including each email address, but I'll remove the addresses of those who may otherwise have nothing to whine about. This isn't a whine. The reason the PHP lists require a genuine email address for posting is to cut back on spam. I managed to keep this address spam-free for many years. Not any longer. Your action has not helped. Considering this is the second time it's been (properly) sent out, I highly doubt, David, that I've contributed to your inbox being bombarded with SPAM. Get to the point do you want your address omitted? If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this mailing list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP site. If there is one, I couldn't find it. That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project. It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post here. And you're here as well. -- /Dan Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
$email = str_replace(array('@', '.'), array(' AT ', ' DOT ', $email);
This will defeat 99.% of spambots, and still be quite usable for
any legitimate purpose.
On Sat, January 19, 2008 12:36 pm, David Powers wrote:
Daniel Brown wrote:
On Jan 19, 2008 12:30 PM, David Powers wrote:
Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people,
including
yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader
program to remove the sender's address from replies.
By removing the email address, it completely defeats the purpose
of post tracking. That bit may have escaped you from the layout of
the report.
I wasn't referring to that, but to the thoughtless way that you and
others automatically include the sender's email address in plain text
every time you respond to a post. Surely it's not too much to ask that
you set your mail program or newsreader so that it doesn't display the
address?
Considering this is the second time it's been (properly) sent
out,
I highly doubt, David, that I've contributed to your inbox being
bombarded with SPAM. Get to the point do you want your address
omitted?
Point 1: Yes, I do want my address removed.
Point 2: My address has been exposed by the thoughtless acts of others
not setting their mail program/newsreader options correctly. Apart
from
the ex-BBC forum (where I have since changed the settings and edited
the
relevant post), all Google references to my email address came from
the
archives of this list. That's where the spam has probably started. By
publishing a weekly list of email addresses, you're just making life
easier for the spam merchants.
If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this
mailing
list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the
PHP
site. If there is one, I couldn't find it.
That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or
project.
It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post
here. And you're here as well.
Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site and
project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. When I subscribed to
the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission for this. This
is
an international list, and what you're doing breaks EU privacy laws,
and
possibly those in other countries too. Please remove my name and
details
from your system.
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Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Daniel Brown wrote: On Jan 19, 2008 12:30 PM, David Powers wrote: Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people, including yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader program to remove the sender's address from replies. By removing the email address, it completely defeats the purpose of post tracking. That bit may have escaped you from the layout of the report. I wasn't referring to that, but to the thoughtless way that you and others automatically include the sender's email address in plain text every time you respond to a post. Surely it's not too much to ask that you set your mail program or newsreader so that it doesn't display the address? Considering this is the second time it's been (properly) sent out, I highly doubt, David, that I've contributed to your inbox being bombarded with SPAM. Get to the point do you want your address omitted? Point 1: Yes, I do want my address removed. Point 2: My address has been exposed by the thoughtless acts of others not setting their mail program/newsreader options correctly. Apart from the ex-BBC forum (where I have since changed the settings and edited the relevant post), all Google references to my email address came from the archives of this list. That's where the spam has probably started. By publishing a weekly list of email addresses, you're just making life easier for the spam merchants. If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this mailing list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP site. If there is one, I couldn't find it. That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project. It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post here. And you're here as well. Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site and project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. When I subscribed to the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission for this. This is an international list, and what you're doing breaks EU privacy laws, and possibly those in other countries too. Please remove my name and details from your system. -- David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On 19 Jan 2008, at 18:36, David Powers wrote: Point 2: My address has been exposed by the thoughtless acts of others not setting their mail program/newsreader options correctly. Apart from the ex-BBC forum (where I have since changed the settings and edited the relevant post), all Google references to my email address came from the archives of this list. That's where the spam has probably started. By publishing a weekly list of email addresses, you're just making life easier for the spam merchants. If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this mailing list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP site. If there is one, I couldn't find it. That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project. It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post here. And you're here as well. Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site and project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. When I subscribed to the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission for this. This is an international list, and what you're doing breaks EU privacy laws, and possibly those in other countries too. Please remove my name and details from your system. This is a *public* mailing list. By posting an email to it you are exposing your email address to an unknown number of people you don't know. Any number of those could be spammers collecting email addresses, or archivers creating web-based archives over which you have no control. If you didn't want your email address to be put into the public domain you should not have sent emails to a public mailing list, period. While I agree that Dan should be obfuscating the email addresses coming from his script I think your complaints are aimed at the wrong person. *You* are to blame for putting your email address out there, and I think we'd all appreciate it if you would stop blaming Dan. I use a Gmail account for all mailing lists for precisely this reason. If you were stupid^Wnaive enough to use an important email address that's your problem. And no, I won't remove your address from the recipient list. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
David Powers wrote: I wasn't referring to that, but to the thoughtless way that you and others automatically include the sender's email address in plain text every time you respond to a post. Surely it's not too much to ask that you set your mail program or newsreader so that it doesn't display the address? I think David is making a good point here. I've never actually looked at it myself, but my knode and thunderbird both only use the name of the sender, not the email-address, when adding the so-and-so wrote: line. By publishing a weekly list of email addresses, you're just making life easier for the spam merchants. I would tend to agree with that. Besides, the posting stats will loose nothing if the email-address is removed. That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project. It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post here. And you're here as well. Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site and project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. The mailing list yes, but not Daniels statistics. When I subscribed to the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission for this. This is an international list, and what you're doing breaks EU privacy laws, and possibly those in other countries too. Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. By participating on a public mailing list, you accept that your postings and your email-address may be essentially be sent to all and sundry. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Jan 19, 2008 1:47 PM, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] regarding configuring mail clients to omit the senders address in the reply, well, this is one of those things that you just cant expect every user to do. Not even you? (see above) /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 1:36 PM, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Jan 19, 2008 12:30 PM, David Powers wrote: Yes, and it's obvious how that happens. It's because people, including yourself, don't have the courtesy to set up your email or newreader program to remove the sender's address from replies. By removing the email address, it completely defeats the purpose of post tracking. That bit may have escaped you from the layout of the report. I wasn't referring to that, but to the thoughtless way that you and others automatically include the sender's email address in plain text every time you respond to a post. Surely it's not too much to ask that you set your mail program or newsreader so that it doesn't display the address? You may never heard of Gmail or any other hosted email clients that don't offer this as an option. Apparently not everyone subscribes to the same level of paranoia. Considering this is the second time it's been (properly) sent out, I highly doubt, David, that I've contributed to your inbox being bombarded with SPAM. Get to the point do you want your address omitted? Point 1: Yes, I do want my address removed. Consider it very gladly done. Point 2: My address has been exposed by the thoughtless acts of others not setting their mail program/newsreader options correctly. Apart from the ex-BBC forum (where I have since changed the settings and edited the relevant post), all Google references to my email address came from the archives of this list. That's where the spam has probably started. By publishing a weekly list of email addresses, you're just making life easier for the spam merchants. Poor you. You may wish to try smoke signals. If you don't want people to see your email address, don't use email. I'm not saying that SPAM is a welcome thing, by any means, but I find it extremely ludicrous to expect others to go through messages to remove your email address. Try changing your Reply-To header (or whatever other headers you can change in your client) to rewrite your email address. You'll notice some people have it set to send their address as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the like. If you intend to store the email addresses of people using this mailing list, there should be a clear statement of privacy policy on the PHP site. If there is one, I couldn't find it. That's because it has nothing to do with the PHP site or project. It's a private project intended to be of interest to those who post here. And you're here as well. Whoah, hang on a moment. It has everything to do with the PHP site and project. It's hosted on the php.net news server. When I subscribed to the PHP general mailing list I did not give permission for this. This is an international list, and what you're doing breaks EU privacy laws, and possibly those in other countries too. Please remove my name and details from your system. First of all, before you dare bring the PHP site or project into your field of vision and blame, get your facts straight. The PostTrack/ListWatch scripts are not hosted on any servers in any way associated with the PHP project. The mailing list is hosted there, yes but that's not what we're talking about here. Secondly, before you attempt to cite EU privacy law violations against someone who has actually studied them to remain in compliance, and doesn't just feel well-educated on the subject because he resides in the UK, understand that I am within compliance even in this case. Your name and email address is considered personal information as identified by the Information Commissioner's Office (the body responsible for your jurisdiction). However, when subscribing to the list, aside from common and public knowledge, you were made aware of the public availability of your personal information on external archives, to other subscribers, et cetera, upon posting a message to the list. My offer and action to remove your information from the public report stands as a valid and legal method for protecting your privacy. Finally, I don't want you to think that I'm personally-attacking you in the same way you did to me, because I understand your concerns, no matter how groundless further arguments may be. I don't hold that part against you in any way, shape, or form. As such, I've made amendments to the system to remove your information from all future reports (provided you don't change your email address), and hopefully we can cease this discussion, because it's obviously detracting from productive discussion. -- /Dan Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 1:47 PM, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$email = str_replace(array('@', '.'), array(' AT ', ' DOT ', $email);
This will defeat 99.% of spambots, and still be quite usable for
any legitimate purpose.
this is a great idea; and its the same concept employed for posts to
user submitted messages on the php website.
regarding configuring mail clients to omit the senders address in the
reply, well, this is one of those things that you just cant expect every
user to do. its in the same vein as the topic dan started about the
whole [SOLVED] thing. you really cant enforce anything, since some
people dont care, and new people are signing up every day. obviously,
there can be recommendations, but in accordance wich the basic
premise of the web, if you dont want to run the risk, then dont participate.
its really that simple.
-nathan
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 1:47 PM, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$email = str_replace(array('@', '.'), array(' AT ', ' DOT ', $email);
This will defeat 99.% of spambots, and still be quite usable for
any legitimate purpose.
Yes, actually, I've already incorporated something like that into
the code. I have no problem omitting people's information from the
reports if they ask, or protecting the data (so long as it's still
readable) through obfuscation. It's more a matter of the manner in
which I was approached by a list member.
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Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 2:06 PM, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Jan 19, 2008 1:47 PM, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] regarding configuring mail clients to omit the senders address in the reply, well, this is one of those things that you just cant expect every user to do. Not even you? (see above) i didnt see the option in gmail; but if you know where it is or how to set it up in gmail, i will happily take the 2 seconds to enable it. -nathan
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Daniel Brown wrote: Finally, I don't want you to think that I'm personally-attacking you in the same way you did to me Sorry, Dan, you just don't get it, do you? You published the name and email address of every single person who contributed to this mailing list in the past week. I didn't give you permission to publish my details, and I'm pretty sure the same goes for just about everyone else. Instead of apologizing to everyone here, you have sought to ridicule my position. -- David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 5:25 PM, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: Finally, I don't want you to think that I'm personally-attacking you in the same way you did to me Sorry, Dan, you just don't get it, do you? You published the name and email address of every single person who contributed to this mailing list in the past week. I didn't give you permission to publish my details, and I'm pretty sure the same goes for just about everyone else. Instead of apologizing to everyone here, you have sought to ridicule my position. Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby. I told you I would remove you from future reports, and I have. I don't know exactly who you think you are to crusade and demand my apologies to everyone here when not only have I done nothing wrong, but I've created something that is useful and stimulating to those who Actually Matter[TM]. Thankfully, I don't feel as though I either have to justify myself to you, or continue speaking with you about it. So with that /discussion -- /Dan Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Daniel Brown wrote: Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby. I have also noticed that many of the responses come from #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self. A little humility might be in order. I done nothing wrong, but I've created something that is useful and stimulating to those who Actually Matter[TM]. Just to remind everyone what this useful and stimulating exercise was for, in your own words, it was 'For bragging rights, to keep track of how much time you've spent doing community service or whatever else.' By publishing everyone's email address, you screwed up, but don't have the decency to admit it. And at no time have I stooped to calling you names. __ David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
David Powers schreef: Daniel Brown wrote: Finally, I don't want you to think that I'm personally-attacking you in the same way you did to me Sorry, Dan, you just don't get it, do you? good mantra - please repeat to yourself 20 times every morning whilst you brush your teeth. actually I might do that might self, I'm sure I don't get 'it' either most days and besides it has something strangely zen about it there is an adage along the lines of we tend to accuse others of things we despise most in ourselves ... I know I'm guilty of that on many an occasion. how about you? if I am correct you are or were a journalist. forgive if I have mistaken you for another, but if that is correct then how often have you trodden on someone's privacy for the sake of a story? it's just a thought not an accusation. but hopefully you get the gist that maybe things are not so cut and dried as we sometimes like to think? You published the name and email address of every single person who contributed to this mailing list in the past week. I didn't give you permission to publish my details you already did that by posting so the info is already in the public domain and as Dan pointed out he's not actually in violation of anything - having explained to you the actually status quo with regard to british/european privacy law. , and I'm pretty sure the same goes for just about everyone else. he doesn't need my permission. but if he did he just got it, and that probably goes for most other people on this list. I have a feeling you pretty much on your own here. Instead of apologizing to everyone here, you have sought to ridicule my position. oh you did a pretty good job of that all by yourself from where I'm standing ;-) why not get over it and join the club instead of knocking it? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Jochem Maas wrote: if I am correct you are or were a journalist. forgive if I have mistaken you for another, but if that is correct then how often have you trodden on someone's privacy for the sake of a story? Yes, I was a journalist for some 30 years, but roughly two-thirds of that time was spent in an editorial capacity, not on the road. I cannot honestly remember an occasion on which I infringed someone's privacy for the sake of a story. The privacy guidelines that applied to my job are publicly available online: http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/edguide/privacy/consent.shtml as Dan pointed out he's not actually in violation of anything That's Dan's interpretation. why not get over it and join the club instead of knocking it? All that was necessary was for Dan to acknowledge that he'd made a mistake publishing a list of everyone's email address in plain text. It was wholly unnecessary for the purpose of creating a chart of the most prolific posters. Counting the number of posts is pretty meaningless anyway. It says nothing about the usefulness of those posts. I rarely post here, not for any negative reasons, but because I can see there are plenty of knowledgeable people here giving a lot of valuable help to others. So I spend my time contributing to other forums where PHP expertise is thin on the ground. If treating someone's complaint with contempt, even if you don't agree with the substance of it, is the way this club works, it's not one that I feel comfortable joining. -- David Powers -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
David Powers schreef: Jochem Maas wrote: if I am correct you are or were a journalist. forgive if I have mistaken you for another, but if that is correct then how often have you trodden on someone's privacy for the sake of a story? Yes, I was a journalist for some 30 years, but roughly two-thirds of that time was spent in an editorial capacity, not on the road. I can't quite see what difference that makes. you wrote something, you edited something, you allowed something through - whats the difference for the current point being discussed? I cannot honestly remember an occasion on which I infringed someone's privacy for the sake of a story. even if that's your honest opinion there might be someone who thought differently at some stage when they were affected by something you produced, no? The privacy guidelines that applied to my job are publicly available online: http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/edguide/privacy/consent.shtml it's quite possible to follow the letter of law whilst raping it's spirit. as Dan pointed out he's not actually in violation of anything That's Dan's interpretation. isn't interpretation all we have? (not forgetting php is interpreted ;-)) why not get over it and join the club instead of knocking it? All that was necessary was for Dan to acknowledge that he'd made a mistake publishing a list of everyone's email address in plain text. It was wholly unnecessary for the purpose of creating a chart of the most prolific posters. Counting the number of posts is pretty meaningless anyway. It says nothing about the usefulness of those posts. I rarely post here, not for any negative reasons, but because I can see there are plenty of knowledgeable people here giving a lot of valuable help to others. So I spend my time contributing to other forums where PHP expertise is thin on the ground. I'm of the opinion that this kind of knowledge should be concentrated in as few places as possible, thereby offering newbies a bigger and juicier target to aim their questions at. just a thought. If treating someone's complaint with contempt, even if you don't agree with the substance of it, is the way this club works, it's not one that I feel comfortable joining. you create the world you live in, if your confronted with contempt (in your perception) then in the end that is wholly your doing. you can't force Dan or anyone else to do/respond in any given way (i.e. a way you see as correct) so it's futile - I am certain that had you approached with your grievance in a different manner then you would have gotten a completely different result, namely the one you desired. this is in your hands, not anyone elses. this applies to everything not just Dan or this mailing list. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
-Original Message- From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:22 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net Jochem Maas wrote: if I am correct you are or were a journalist. forgive if I have mistaken you for another, but if that is correct then how often have you trodden on someone's privacy for the sake of a story? Yes, I was a journalist for some 30 years, but roughly two-thirds of that time was spent in an editorial capacity, not on the road. I cannot honestly remember an occasion on which I infringed someone's privacy for the sake of a story. The privacy guidelines that applied to my job are publicly available online: http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/edguide/privacy/con sent.shtml as Dan pointed out he's not actually in violation of anything That's Dan's interpretation. why not get over it and join the club instead of knocking it? All that was necessary was for Dan to acknowledge that he'd made a mistake publishing a list of everyone's email address in plain text. It was wholly unnecessary for the purpose of creating a chart of the most prolific posters. Counting the number of posts is pretty meaningless anyway. It says nothing about the usefulness of those posts. I rarely post here, not for any negative reasons, but because I can see there are plenty of knowledgeable people here giving a lot of valuable help to others. So I spend my time contributing to other forums where PHP expertise is thin on the ground. If treating someone's complaint with contempt, even if you don't agree with the substance of it, is the way this club works, it's not one that I feel comfortable joining. -- David Powers -- I have some thoughts, I just hope you (all) don't start hunting for me. But if you do, well, do it: 1 - I do believe the posting summary adds nothing to this list. But I don't care about it either. I think this is all about karma and as such, who has the biggest dick. We could argue for hours about this, and I know some of you will find the stats valuable (specially to show your boss how karmatic you are, or to show your boss how much time one of your partners spends instead of doing his job, lol). 2 - I don't have anything against my name and email being published in the stats (sure, I'd like support for the é character on my name :)). I don't care about spam either, we all get spam anyway, and that's why we have RBLs in our mail server and the MS Outlook junk folder. Moreover, if I was a spammer, I would also search for mailto: patterns like agrobinet+at+bestplace+dot+biz, so I think I'd get mangled email addresses anyway. 3 - I don't like the attitude of both Dan and David. IMHO, David thinks the issue is more severe than it is, and Dan just won't recognize that mangling email addresses is kind of a (arguably also) standard practice. No public apologize is needed, but maybe Yeah, I just didn't consider that would be enough. 4 - I have two phrases I like very much, one of them is one fault does not cover another and the other one is Hakuna Matata (yes, I saw the lion king baby! lol). Just one more thing, about... If treating someone's complaint with contempt, even if you don't agree with the substance of it, is the way this club works, it's not one that I feel comfortable joining. ... well, that's because you didn't taste the internals list yet, lol. Regards, Rob Andrés Robinet | Lead Developer | BESTPLACE CORPORATION 5100 Bayview Drive 206, Royal Lauderdale Landings, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308 | TEL 954-607-4207 | FAX 954-337-2695 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MSN Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | SKYPE: bestplace | Web: http://www.bestplace.biz | Web: http://www.seo-diy.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
David Powers wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby. I have also noticed that many of the responses come from #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self. A little humility might be in order. Humbleness DOES normally come with age sometimes, but one would assume that with your advanced years that you might look at things differently. That being said, while I'm sure Dan believes he's the Year's Coolest Guy, there are some out there who think otherwise. To each their own as is their right. We DO live in a democracy with the right of free thought and speech, as a journalist should well know. Perhaps during your editorial years you missed editing all the privacy laws and such concerning public domain. From the news reports *I* keep seeing, the use of public sources and gathering of public information seems more about how much the public can be stretched for the raping of information to tweak the story to their own designs instead of going after the whole truth. Gotta love one-sided reporting... But I digress... I done nothing wrong, but I've created something that is useful and stimulating to those who Actually Matter[TM]. Just to remind everyone what this useful and stimulating exercise was for, in your own words, it was 'For bragging rights, to keep track of how much time you've spent doing community service or whatever else.' By publishing everyone's email address, you screwed up, but don't have the decency to admit it. And at no time have I stooped to calling you names. Following the posts, I do believe Dan is going to mangle the email addresses. Heck, he can omit them to just the name of the poster if he wants, won't bother me but then I don't have an á or é in my name that's still getting fudged... But that is all besides the point. YOU posted to the list, thereby doing so with an email address which you have PUBLICLY posted. That you are not happy with the list coming out means that you failed to pay attention to this list for the last couple of weeks when 1) Dan's script blew up and 2) last week when Richard wasn't even showing on the list. My suggestion would be to increase your spam blocking mechanism(s) such as Thunderbird's spam learning feature or your ISP's filtering or even running your email through your own Linux server and using clamAV and SpamAssassin to clean your email before popping it off to your local machine. Either way, your problem was your own making. Now, you could apologize to the list and Dan for blowing things out of proportion, which would show some humility, but you're pretty much the only one here complaining about your email address being posted by some one else after you have already done so. Wolf -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 8:15 PM, Andrés Robinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 - I don't have anything against my name and email being published in the stats (sure, I'd like support for the é character on my name :)). I don't care about spam either, we all get spam anyway, and that's why we have RBLs in our mail server and the MS Outlook junk folder. Moreover, if I was a spammer, I would also search for mailto: patterns like agrobinet+at+bestplace+dot+biz, so I think I'd get mangled email addresses anyway. I am adding support for non-English characters (I think I mentioned it this morning or last night). Something I had forgotten about until you and Zoltan Nemeth brought it up. I'm unintentionally closed-minded about that stuff sometimes, having the name Dan Brown. 3 - I don't like the attitude of both Dan and David. IMHO, David thinks the issue is more severe than it is, and Dan just won't recognize that mangling email addresses is kind of a (arguably also) standard practice. No public apologize is needed, but maybe Yeah, I just didn't consider that would be enough. Actually, I did say that. It was a rather embarrassing oversight on my part, and I updated the scripts as soon as it was pointed out to me (by Richard Lynch, if memory serves correctly). To be honest, it wouldn't make any difference really, because the moment we click the send button to this - or nearly any other active list - we are likely having our addresses broadcast to SPAM catch-all addresses piping our email addresses into a database, as well as listing them (plain-text) in the archives. Still, it is standard practice, and I had forgotten to make it so in the script. -- /Dan Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 8:55 PM, Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Powers wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby. I have also noticed that many of the responses come from #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self. A little humility might be in order. Humbleness DOES normally come with age sometimes, but one would assume that with your advanced years that you might look at things differently. It's on there as a joke, not out of lack of humility. I always have stupid little phrases in my signature lines. This one was actually meant to be a self-bashing line meaning, I'm the only one who thinks I'm cool. That being said, while I'm sure Dan believes he's the Year's Coolest Guy, there are some out there who think otherwise. Dude there are A LOT of them -- /Dan Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek and #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self Since Nineteen-Seventy-[mumble]. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Daniel Brown wrote: On Jan 19, 2008 8:55 PM, Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Powers wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: Notice, if you will and are able, that all other posts to this thread are responses of interest, not the ramblings of a crybaby. I have also noticed that many of the responses come from #1 Rated Year's Coolest Guy By Self. A little humility might be in order. Humbleness DOES normally come with age sometimes, but one would assume that with your advanced years that you might look at things differently. It's on there as a joke, not out of lack of humility. I always have stupid little phrases in my signature lines. This one was actually meant to be a self-bashing line meaning, I'm the only one who thinks I'm cool. Yeah, finding a random-quote adder for Thunderbird is NOT easy, even for a windoze system. I used to have one with Outlook when I was forced to use it. :/ But I think you're an OK kinda guy, but we'll have to see if Richard invites us to sit with the cool kids next time. ;) That being said, while I'm sure Dan believes he's the Year's Coolest Guy, there are some out there who think otherwise. Dude there are A LOT of them Well I wasn't gonna go there... ;) Maybe I'm the only one who finds it interesting that jpni.co.uk is an empty apache setup that will only show a This account is suspended page when you go look at it. And this little gem that David posted a while ago: With regard to the argument about free flow of information, all the information in my books is freely available on the internet. However, the value to most readers is that I have pulled together that information, tested it, and presented it in a form that, hopefully, makes it easier for beginners and intermediate developers to understand. Now, while Dan hasn't posted his source code for the beginners and intermediates to cull through (maybe there are some other list admins of something productive like a good amateur porn site) that would like to use the same gathering tactics, he has used the free flow of information that is freely available on the internet to produce the posting summary. Just some food for thought... Wolf -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
Well, at least we know which subject will make it to the top next week -- H | It's not a bug - it's an undocumented feature. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / Websmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Imaging . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Posting Summary for Week Ending 18 January, 2008: php-general@lists.php.net
On Jan 19, 2008 9:25 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at least we know which subject will make it to the top next week nice; say, dan, here comes another feature request; can we see the top thread (or 3 :)) as well ? -nathan
