RE: [PHP] Returning Newbie (Disoriented)
Freedomware mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, January 12, 2004 5:47 PM said: Now I just have to get it hooked up to Dreamweaver. But I'll take your advice and find out what programs my host is running. I don't think you hook up Dreamweaver to anything in the way that Frontpage hooks up to an IIS server. With Dreamweaver (I think) it's just an FTP thing. Chris. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Returning Newbie (Disoriented)
Freedomware wrote: Ryan A wrote: It installed pretty easy and the guy who makes it is real cool and will help you via the forum. Also options to run other things like PERL Thanks for the tip. You raised one other question I have - PERL. I know nothing about it, but I just wondered how it fits into the big scheme of things. Am I correct in understanding that PHP is, in the broadest sense, a more user friendly PERL equivalent, and that people who have mastered PHP still use PERL for doing certain advanced functions that PHP can't handle? PHP and Perl really aren't interchangeable. There are alot of tasks that they can both do, and I'm sure a few items that one can handle that the other cannot, but it all boils down to what you want to do. If all you're wanting to do with a programming language is create web sites and middle-tier web applications, stick with PHP. Perl can handle it quite well, but wasn't designed for that task, whereas PHP was/is. I cut my teeth on Perl in the mid-90's, and still use it today for some system admistration tasks, but I can't think of a reason where I would choose a Perl CGI script over a PHP application for web development. -- By-Tor.com It's all about the Rush http://www.by-tor.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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OK, here are three more questions: 1. I visited Apache's download page at http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi It says the best version to download is 2.0.48. Then it lists the following: Unix Source: httpd-2.0.48.tar.gz [PGP] [MD5] Unix Source: httpd-2.0.48.tar.Z [PGP] [MD5] Win32 Source: httpd-2.0.48-win32-src.zip [PGP] [MD5] Win32 Binary (MSI Installer): apache_2.0.48-win32-x86-no_ssl.msi [PGP] [MD5] Other files My operating system is Windows XP Pro, so I assume I want to download Win32 Source or Win32 Binary - but which one? What's a MSI Installer? 2. Do you know of any instructions for disabling the Windows IIS server before I install Apache? I remember going through this process before, and it was quite a hassle. 3. What's the best PHP program to download, and would I download it from www.php.net? Thanks! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Scratch the first two questions - I figured out the MIS Installer and downloaded it, and it looks like the IIS server isn't installed on my computer. But a couple other questions popped up when I began installing Apache: What do I type in for Network Domain and Server Name? I have over a dozen websites, or are they asking for information that relates to my computer? Or should I just pick my biggest website and list www.geobop.org under Network Domain, then get the Server Name from my ISP? Thanks. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Well, server name is your main domain... Network domain... Hmm... Not sure if that's where you enter your IP or your top-level domain... Try network domain: geobop.org, servername: www.geobop.org... The installer is just confusing really.. It's much easier to just open httpd.conf in notepad.. It's very well explained.. :) About PHP... Download PHP from snaps.php.net, to the right, there's windows vversions of 4.3.* and 5.0.*... They are the development verisons however... Usually works (I use them)... If IIS is installed... Goto the services controll panel and disable it... If you got dozens domains, mod_l33t is highly recommended, but it's only for Apache 1.3 which I use under both Me, 2k and XP btw... Apache 2.0 just cause problems with PHP... Well, I haven't really confirmed it yet, but if you read on the php.net manual page, you'll see it's not recommended yet... Unless you run as CGI which I wouldn't recommend for anything in this world... It's much slower, and the computer is slowed down noticably after about 50 requests... At least it was like that for me with my old setup... -- // DvDmanDT MSN: dvdmandt¤hotmail.com Mail: dvdmandt¤telia.com Freedomware [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelandet news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Scratch the first two questions - I figured out the MIS Installer and downloaded it, and it looks like the IIS server isn't installed on my computer. But a couple other questions popped up when I began installing Apache: What do I type in for Network Domain and Server Name? I have over a dozen websites, or are they asking for information that relates to my computer? Or should I just pick my biggest website and list www.geobop.org under Network Domain, then get the Server Name from my ISP? Thanks. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Dvdmandt wrote: If you got dozens domains, mod_l33t is highly recommended, but it's only for Apache 1.3 which I use under both Me, 2k and XP btw... Apache 2.0 just cause problems with PHP... Well, I haven't really confirmed it yet, but if you read on the php.net manual page, you'll see it's not recommended yet... Unless you run as CGI which I wouldn't recommend for anything in this world... It's much slower, and the computer is slowed down noticably after about 50 requests... At least it was like that for me with my old setup... Thanks for the tips, but there's one thing I should point out - I won't actually be using Apache with my online domains (at least, I don't think so). I'm just going to use it on my computer to preview and test web pages before I publish them to my websites, which are hosted by ISP's that use Apache servers. But if I'm using it only locally, and I also have PHP on my computer, then I should probably take your advice and download Apache 1.3. I'm not really sure what I'm talking about (yet), but it should become clearer once I get Apache installed! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Nothing wrong with having 3 versions of Apache 1.3 and 5 or so of Apache 2.. .:) I got PHP4.3.4, 3.0.17, 5.0RC1-dev, at least 5 different perl versions, two versions of TCL, same with python, I got Apache modules for all of these as well... Sure isn't nessecary, but I'm sure learning lots from it... -- // DvDmanDT MSN: dvdmandt¤hotmail.com Mail: dvdmandt¤telia.com Freedomware [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelandet news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dvdmandt wrote: If you got dozens domains, mod_l33t is highly recommended, but it's only for Apache 1.3 which I use under both Me, 2k and XP btw... Apache 2.0 just cause problems with PHP... Well, I haven't really confirmed it yet, but if you read on the php.net manual page, you'll see it's not recommended yet... Unless you run as CGI which I wouldn't recommend for anything in this world... It's much slower, and the computer is slowed down noticably after about 50 requests... At least it was like that for me with my old setup... Thanks for the tips, but there's one thing I should point out - I won't actually be using Apache with my online domains (at least, I don't think so). I'm just going to use it on my computer to preview and test web pages before I publish them to my websites, which are hosted by ISP's that use Apache servers. But if I'm using it only locally, and I also have PHP on my computer, then I should probably take your advice and download Apache 1.3. I'm not really sure what I'm talking about (yet), but it should become clearer once I get Apache installed! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Also, I feel like I wanna tell yo some about myself, so you don't make your descissions cause of me.. I'm 14 years old, live in sweden, learning programming in C right now (made my first PHP module a week ago.. :)) I also play around some with Apache 1.3 Api... I've been using PHP since 4.1.. I've helped lots of friends with installation though... -- // DvDmanDT MSN: dvdmandt¤hotmail.com Mail: dvdmandt¤telia.com Freedomware [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelandet news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dvdmandt wrote: If you got dozens domains, mod_l33t is highly recommended, but it's only for Apache 1.3 which I use under both Me, 2k and XP btw... Apache 2.0 just cause problems with PHP... Well, I haven't really confirmed it yet, but if you read on the php.net manual page, you'll see it's not recommended yet... Unless you run as CGI which I wouldn't recommend for anything in this world... It's much slower, and the computer is slowed down noticably after about 50 requests... At least it was like that for me with my old setup... Thanks for the tips, but there's one thing I should point out - I won't actually be using Apache with my online domains (at least, I don't think so). I'm just going to use it on my computer to preview and test web pages before I publish them to my websites, which are hosted by ISP's that use Apache servers. But if I'm using it only locally, and I also have PHP on my computer, then I should probably take your advice and download Apache 1.3. I'm not really sure what I'm talking about (yet), but it should become clearer once I get Apache installed! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Dvdmandt wrote: Also, I feel like I wanna tell yo some about myself, so you don't make your descissions cause of me.. I'm 14 years old, live in sweden, learning programming in C right now (made my first PHP module a week ago.. :)) I also play around some with Apache 1.3 Api... I've been using PHP since 4.1.. I've helped lots of friends with installation though... Holy cow, you know more about computers than I do, speak two languages, and you're safe from President George W. Bush. I'm jealous! :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Swedish, English, and in few hours I'm gonna have french as well... Although, my primary language would still be PHP... :s Sweden is a really nice place really.. :) -- // DvDmanDT MSN: dvdmandt¤hotmail.com Mail: dvdmandt¤telia.com Freedomware [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelandet news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dvdmandt wrote: Also, I feel like I wanna tell yo some about myself, so you don't make your descissions cause of me.. I'm 14 years old, live in sweden, learning programming in C right now (made my first PHP module a week ago.. :)) I also play around some with Apache 1.3 Api... I've been using PHP since 4.1.. I've helped lots of friends with installation though... Holy cow, you know more about computers than I do, speak two languages, and you're safe from President George W. Bush. I'm jealous! :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Freedomware mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, January 12, 2004 1:57 AM said: Thanks for the tips, but there's one thing I should point out - I won't actually be using Apache with my online domains (at least, I don't think so). I'm just going to use it on my computer to preview and test web pages before I publish them to my websites, which are hosted by ISP's that use Apache servers. But if I'm using it only locally, and I also have PHP on my computer, then I should probably take your advice and download Apache 1.3. Since you're going to be developing on your own computer and then uploading to a different server you DON'T have control of you'll be doing yourself a disservice by not installing a system that is AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to your host. This is especially true since you're a newbie. If you download the latest version of php and start using a bunch of functions that are not available in your hosts version of php you're looking at recoding everything (not from scratch, but a lot will need to be changed). Find out what is install on your host and install that on your own computer. I'm going to answer some of your original questions now... Chris. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Freedomware mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:40 PM said: Which PHP do you recommend I download - 3.0, 4.0 or 5.0? Your PHP tutorial at http://www.php.net/tut.php offers a link to preconfigured packages (Apache, PHP and MySQL). I noticed that the package that got the most votes by far is FoxServ (over 4,000 votes) - http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/9942.html Therefore, I'm tentatively choosing it, due to its popularity. Like I mentioned in my other email you want to install whatever version of php that is going to be used to serve the pages on the web. Your development server and your live server should be the same. Another question: I think I have a Microsoft IIS server (included with Windows XP Pro). If so, will I have to disable or uninstall it before I install an Apache server? It may be included but I think, as you discovered, it isn't necessarily installed. Also, I hope to eventually get an Apple/Mac computer and a Linux hard drive (on either my PC or Apple). You seem to be a little confused. Apple/Mac are the same thing. Apple is the company that makes the Macintosh computer. There's no such thing as a linux hard drive as you put it. If you get OSX (runs on the Macintosh) you'll have an operating system based on Unix. In this case you can install most of, if not all the open source packages as well as Macintosh software. Windows software is another story. As far as the linux hard drive goes I think you mean you plan to have another OS (linux) installed on a partition of a hard drive. In this case you'll be able to boot into OSX (or Windows XP, etc.) OR Linux. But not at the same time. If I install Apache/PHP/MySQL on an Apple, will I be in familiar territory, or is it quite different from using PHP with Windows? They are pretty close. A few things work differently but likely not anything you'll delve into. Would I be able to work on my website with FrontPage on a PC and publish some PHP pages to the web, then add some functions with Dreamweaver on a Mac and republish them to the web, or would the two PHP programs (Windows and Apple) have a conflict? You will likely have problems depending on what versions of FrontPage and Dreamweaver you're using. I would suggest very highly that you DO NOT USE FRONTPAGE. To use frontpage properly your server will have to have Frontpage Extensions installed and some hosts don't have that. Especially those that deal with Apache/PHP as Frontpage was made to edit ASP/VBScript pages. (That's why your frontpage doesn't recognize PHP.) Here's one last question that's a bit of an aside: When I work on a webpage with a .php extension in FrontPage, it only opens the page in Notepad, and I can't preview it in Internet Explorer (though I can view it in IE once it's online). Do you have any idea how to fix it? See above. Hope this helps, Chris. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Chris W. Parker wrote: * * * * * * * * * * Wow, thanks for all the tips! I started from scratch and installed a preconfigured package, with Apache 2 and PHP 4. Apache, PHP and MySQL seem to be working OK, though a couple other functions don't. Now I just have to get it hooked up to Dreamweaver. But I'll take your advice and find out what programs my host is running. That's a helpful tip! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Hey, Sorry I cant answer all your questions but can answer one important one, I have tried foxserv and triad and quite a few others...finally what I settled down to was phpdev (do a search on google to see where to download.) its packed with features and I have never had a problem with it from the time I installed it. It installed pretty easy and the guy who makes it is real cool and will help you via the forum. Also options to run other things like PERL By default it installs a pretty decient and recient version of php, mysql and apache. HTH. Cheers, -Ryan On 1/12/2004 1:40:05 AM, Freedomware ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been lurking on this list for quite some time. I did a little homework, downloaded a preconfigured package (Apache, PHP and MySQL), and was beginning to learn the ropes when I had a rather severe hard drive crash, along with other computer and website problems. (Actually, I had only installed Apache and was trying to get it to work.) I'm now back up and running and would like to give it another shot. I'd like to ask a few questions. Some may be a bit redundant, but I want to make sure I'm starting out right. My operating system is Windows XP Pro, and I've already begun using the .php extension on my webpages in preparation for using PHP. (See http://www.geobop.org/test/index.php ) Which PHP do you recommend I download - 3.0, 4.0 or 5.0? Your PHP tutorial at http://www.php.net/tut.php offers a link to preconfigured packages (Apache, PHP and MySQL). I noticed that the package that got the most votes by far is FoxServ (over 4,000 votes) - http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/9942.html Therefore, I'm tentatively choosing it, due to its popularity. According to their website, at http://www.foxserv.net/portal.php, FoxServ is an Apache / mySQL / PHP installer package fo -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Ryan A wrote: It installed pretty easy and the guy who makes it is real cool and will help you via the forum. Also options to run other things like PERL Thanks for the tip. You raised one other question I have - PERL. I know nothing about it, but I just wondered how it fits into the big scheme of things. Am I correct in understanding that PHP is, in the broadest sense, a more user friendly PERL equivalent, and that people who have mastered PHP still use PERL for doing certain advanced functions that PHP can't handle? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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PHP is pretty much the same, the only difference I've ever noticed in how to install them... About Foxserv, phpdev, phptriad, phperl and so on: They'll work nice and great.. But within few days, you'll anyway find yourself changing the config files manually. :p Installing all manually isn't hard at all... If you want help, I can guide you through it... If you wanna use PHP/Apache, it's better to setup them yourself.. That way you'll understand just about everything better.. :) Ryan: just wondering, does the acronym 'FH' mean anything to you (it was a host)? -- // DvDmanDT MSN: dvdmandt¤hotmail.com Mail: dvdmandt¤telia.com Ryan A [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelandet news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, Sorry I cant answer all your questions but can answer one important one, I have tried foxserv and triad and quite a few others...finally what I settled down to was phpdev (do a search on google to see where to download.) its packed with features and I have never had a problem with it from the time I installed it. It installed pretty easy and the guy who makes it is real cool and will help you via the forum. Also options to run other things like PERL By default it installs a pretty decient and recient version of php, mysql and apache. HTH. Cheers, -Ryan On 1/12/2004 1:40:05 AM, Freedomware ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been lurking on this list for quite some time. I did a little homework, downloaded a preconfigured package (Apache, PHP and MySQL), and was beginning to learn the ropes when I had a rather severe hard drive crash, along with other computer and website problems. (Actually, I had only installed Apache and was trying to get it to work.) I'm now back up and running and would like to give it another shot. I'd like to ask a few questions. Some may be a bit redundant, but I want to make sure I'm starting out right. My operating system is Windows XP Pro, and I've already begun using the .php extension on my webpages in preparation for using PHP. (See http://www.geobop.org/test/index.php ) Which PHP do you recommend I download - 3.0, 4.0 or 5.0? Your PHP tutorial at http://www.php.net/tut.php offers a link to preconfigured packages (Apache, PHP and MySQL). I noticed that the package that got the most votes by far is FoxServ (over 4,000 votes) - http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/9942.html Therefore, I'm tentatively choosing it, due to its popularity. According to their website, at http://www.foxserv.net/portal.php, FoxServ is an Apache / mySQL / PHP installer package fo -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Hey, Thanks for the tip. You raised one other question I have - PERL. I know nothing about it, but I just wondered how it fits into the big scheme of things. Am I correct in understanding that PHP is, in the broadest sense, a more user friendly PERL equivalent, and that people who have mastered PHP still use PERL for doing certain advanced functions that PHP can't handle? Sorry, cant answer that question either :-p coz I dont use PERL, but have been told to learn as its not that much different from PHP, I just feel its nice to have that option...just in case. /***DvDman* Ryan: just wondering, does the acronym 'FH' mean anything to you (it was a host)? ***/ Nope, no idea what the acronym 'FH' means...why? Cheers, -Ryan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Perl is just an older language.. AFAIK, php can do all perl can do, and the other way round.. Although, PHP is being developed more active than Perl it seems... Maybe due to php being like at least 10 years younger (I think it's accutually something like 25 years difference)... Perl is harder to read but it's more.. well, you don't need to type as much in perl as in php.. Char effiency or whatever.. Some ppl like perl, some php... activestate.com, cpan.org -- // DvDmanDT MSN: dvdmandt¤hotmail.com Mail: dvdmandt¤telia.com Freedomware [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelandet news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ryan A wrote: It installed pretty easy and the guy who makes it is real cool and will help you via the forum. Also options to run other things like PERL Thanks for the tip. You raised one other question I have - PERL. I know nothing about it, but I just wondered how it fits into the big scheme of things. Am I correct in understanding that PHP is, in the broadest sense, a more user friendly PERL equivalent, and that people who have mastered PHP still use PERL for doing certain advanced functions that PHP can't handle? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Just wondering... :) It was a host about a year ago.. Someone named Ryan was in the team, and I have a slight memory of him trying pre configured packages.. -- // DvDmanDT MSN: dvdmandt¤hotmail.com Mail: dvdmandt¤telia.com Ryan A [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelandet news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, Thanks for the tip. You raised one other question I have - PERL. I know nothing about it, but I just wondered how it fits into the big scheme of things. Am I correct in understanding that PHP is, in the broadest sense, a more user friendly PERL equivalent, and that people who have mastered PHP still use PERL for doing certain advanced functions that PHP can't handle? Sorry, cant answer that question either :-p coz I dont use PERL, but have been told to learn as its not that much different from PHP, I just feel its nice to have that option...just in case. /***DvDman* Ryan: just wondering, does the acronym 'FH' mean anything to you (it was a host)? ***/ Nope, no idea what the acronym 'FH' means...why? Cheers, -Ryan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
