Re: SV: [PHP] PHP Book?
On Saturday 28 April 2001 00:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IO 340 pages function references (copied from the manual) [2] That is wrong. Leon havent copied 340 pages from the manual. I should know this myself because I have finished the translation into German. Ok, I guess you're right. sorry. What I wanted to express is that the same information is in the online manual. That is also wrong. looking Ok, I again stand corrected. The reference in the book contains additional examples and explanatory texts. Sorry Leon, sorry Egon. So here's a rephrased version of what I wanted to express with my original mail: The book is targeted at people completely new to PHP and relatively new to programming as such, and thus it is IMO next to useless for someone with 3 years Perl experience (which is what this thread originally was about). Again, I can only speak about the first edition - if you say the second Ed has changed in this regard that's great. Please read books more carefully and don't pester this mailing list with your nonsense comments. I mean that book with a foreword by Andi Gutmans. Well, you just said Core PHP Programming and I described that book. But you're right in that I know nothing about the second edition. I haven't start this thread. So be carefull. I have Leons second edition and you can buy another book at Markt+Technik. The PHP manual is for free use. Use that if you are not comfortable with Leons book. It is not very good to judge some books on this list. I know some authors who contribute to the PHP manual and write own books. Well, someone recommended that book, and I tried pointing out that IMO that book is the wrong choice for that particular person. I apologize for putting down the book as something generally bad (that wasn't intended), but I don't apologize for having an opinion and telling others about it. This list is a *good* place for book reviews, because (1) reviews help (future) readers to choose the right book for them and (2) because bad reviews (such as mine) can be easily corrected (as you did) here. -- Christian Reiniger LGDC Webmaster (http://sunsite.dk/lgdc/) Very funny, Scotty! Now beam up my clothes... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: [PHP] PHP Book?
On Friday 27 April 2001 15:15, Johan Holst Nielsen wrote: Hey everyone... I've been programming in perl for about 3 years now, i have installed php and have been working on it for about three weeks. I started by Try Core PHP Programmning, it's have a lot of good stuff! That book is definitely the wrong choice for someone with 3 years perl experience (perhaps unless there's a second edition). The copy I unfortunately bought is built somehow like that: 5 pages useful intro 45 pages explaining basic language contructs [1] 4 pages explaining classes 11 pages giving a (small) overview of using print(), getting data from forms, file upoads, env-vars, cookies, include/require and file IO 340 pages function references (copied from the manual) [2] After that comes the somehow useful part - overviews of common task areas - using databases, string munging, ... But that's only quick overviews, and some of the topics are just about generic (language independent) stuff, e.g. the description of basic sorting algorithms (the stuff you do *not* want to use in PHP :) Well, it gets one plus point because it includes an ASCII chart :) So: forget about that book. If at all, you'll quickly glance over it and then let it collect dust forever. [1]: Perl is very similar in this area. Just looking through the manual will be better (and quicker) than reading that book section [2]: completely uses - the online manual is much quicker to search and much more up to date (the book only covers PHP3) -- Christian Reiniger LGDC Webmaster (http://sunsite.dk/lgdc/) Error 032: Recursion error - see error 032 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: [PHP] PHP Book?
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:06:54PM +0200, Christian Reiniger wrote: On Friday 27 April 2001 15:15, Johan Holst Nielsen wrote: Hey everyone... I've been programming in perl for about 3 years now, i have installed php and have been working on it for about three weeks. I started by Try Core PHP Programmning, it's have a lot of good stuff! That book is definitely the wrong choice for someone with 3 years perl experience (perhaps unless there's a second edition). The copy I unfortunately bought is built somehow like that: What books are you reading? 5 pages useful intro 45 pages explaining basic language contructs [1] 4 pages explaining classes 11 pages giving a (small) overview of using print(), getting data from forms, file upoads, env-vars, cookies, include/require and file IO 340 pages function references (copied from the manual) [2] That is wrong. Leon havent copied 340 pages from the manual. I should know this myself because I have finished the translation into German. After that comes the somehow useful part - overviews of common task areas - using databases, string munging, ... But that's only quick overviews, and some of the topics are just about generic (language independent) stuff, e.g. the description of basic sorting algorithms (the stuff you do *not* want to use in PHP :) Well, it gets one plus point because it includes an ASCII chart :) So: forget about that book. If at all, you'll quickly glance over it and then let it collect dust forever. [1]: Perl is very similar in this area. Just looking through the manual will be better (and quicker) than reading that book section [2]: completely uses - the online manual is much quicker to search and much more up to date (the book only covers PHP3) This is not true. Leon has written his second edition. This edition contains PHP 4 also. Please read books more carefully and don't pester this mailing list with your nonsense comments. I mean that book with a foreword by Andi Gutmans. -Egon -- LinuxTag, Stuttgart, Germany: July 5-8 2001: http://www.linuxtag.de/ All known books about PHP and related books: http://php.net/books.php Concert Band of the University of Hohenheim: http://www.concert-band.de/ First and second bestselling book in German: http://www.php-buch.de/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: [PHP] PHP Book?
On Friday 27 April 2001 22:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try Core PHP Programmning, it's have a lot of good stuff! That book is definitely the wrong choice for someone with 3 years perl experience (perhaps unless there's a second edition). The copy I unfortunately bought is built somehow like that: What books are you reading? None right now (manual and online articles only - and the mailing list of course), but I plan to look for a good advanced one soon. IO 340 pages function references (copied from the manual) [2] That is wrong. Leon havent copied 340 pages from the manual. I should know this myself because I have finished the translation into German. Ok, I guess you're right. sorry. What I wanted to express is that the same information is in the online manual. [2]: completely uses - the online manual is much quicker to search and much more up to date (the book only covers PHP3) This is not true. Leon has written his second edition. This edition contains PHP 4 also. Ah, ok (that's why I wrote perhaps unless there's a second edition at the beginning). I own the first edition and described that. Please read books more carefully and don't pester this mailing list with your nonsense comments. I mean that book with a foreword by Andi Gutmans. Well, you just said Core PHP Programming and I described that book. But you're right in that I know nothing about the second edition. -- Christian Reiniger LGDC Webmaster (http://sunsite.dk/lgdc/) I sat laughing snidely into my notebook until they showed me a PC running Linux. And oh! It was as though the heavens opened and God handed down a client-side OS so beautiful, so graceful, and so elegant that a million Microsoft developers couldn't have invented it even if they had a hundred years and a thousand crates of Jolt cola. - LAN Times -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: [PHP] PHP Book?
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 12:01:22AM +0200, Christian Reiniger wrote: On Friday 27 April 2001 22:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try Core PHP Programmning, it's have a lot of good stuff! That book is definitely the wrong choice for someone with 3 years perl experience (perhaps unless there's a second edition). The copy I unfortunately bought is built somehow like that: What books are you reading? None right now (manual and online articles only - and the mailing list of course), but I plan to look for a good advanced one soon. IO 340 pages function references (copied from the manual) [2] That is wrong. Leon havent copied 340 pages from the manual. I should know this myself because I have finished the translation into German. Ok, I guess you're right. sorry. What I wanted to express is that the same information is in the online manual. That is also wrong. [2]: completely uses - the online manual is much quicker to search and much more up to date (the book only covers PHP3) This is not true. Leon has written his second edition. This edition contains PHP 4 also. Ah, ok (that's why I wrote perhaps unless there's a second edition at the beginning). I own the first edition and described that. Please read books more carefully and don't pester this mailing list with your nonsense comments. I mean that book with a foreword by Andi Gutmans. Well, you just said Core PHP Programming and I described that book. But you're right in that I know nothing about the second edition. I haven't start this thread. So be carefull. I have Leons second edition and you can buy another book at Markt+Technik. The PHP manual is for free use. Use that if you are not comfortable with Leons book. It is not very good to judge some books on this list. I know some authors who contribute to the PHP manual and write own books. -Egon -- LinuxTag, Stuttgart, Germany: July 5-8 2001: http://www.linuxtag.de/ All known books about PHP and related books: http://php.net/books.php Concert Band of the University of Hohenheim: http://www.concert-band.de/ First and second bestselling book in German: http://www.php-buch.de/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: [PHP] PHP Book?
Hi All! One of the best books on PHP that I ever read is Web Application Development with PHP 4.0 from New Riders. It is an advanced book, not recomend it for beginners, but the medium/advanced skill programmer will love it. THat's my 10 reais (brazillian money):-) []'s Alex Piaz Webmaster Global Map Internet Marketing www.globalmap.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Those who know what's best for us - Must rise and save us from ourselves -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: [PHP] PHP Book?
A good book for a beginner is The PHP 4 Bible Chris Anderson aka Null PHP Developer / Nulltech PHP-GTK Tester / gtk.php.net STA Administrator / www.stronger.org DOD Co-Owner / www.dayofdefeat.com - Original Message - From: Alex Piaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: Re: SV: [PHP] PHP Book? Hi All! One of the best books on PHP that I ever read is Web Application Development with PHP 4.0 from New Riders. It is an advanced book, not recomend it for beginners, but the medium/advanced skill programmer will love it. THat's my 10 reais (brazillian money):-) []'s Alex Piaz Webmaster Global Map Internet Marketing www.globalmap.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Those who know what's best for us - Must rise and save us from ourselves -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SV: [PHP] PHP Book?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 08:06:54PM +0200, Christian Reiniger wrote: On Friday 27 April 2001 15:15, Johan Holst Nielsen wrote: Hey everyone... I've been programming in perl for about 3 years now, i have installed php and have been working on it for about three weeks. I started by Try Core PHP Programmning, it's have a lot of good stuff! That book is definitely the wrong choice for someone with 3 years perl experience (perhaps unless there's a second edition). The copy I unfortunately bought is built somehow like that: What books are you reading? 5 pages useful intro 45 pages explaining basic language contructs [1] 4 pages explaining classes 11 pages giving a (small) overview of using print(), getting data from forms, file upoads, env-vars, cookies, include/require and file IO 340 pages function references (copied from the manual) [2] That is wrong. Leon havent copied 340 pages from the manual. I should know this myself because I have finished the translation into German. Well, for the first edition of this book I found it extremely boring. Don't know why really. The whole thing felt pretty old - but it isn't. Hopefully the second ed. is much better. (I know many people like PHP Core). Anyway, PHP Developers Cookbook (Sterling Hughes) from SAMS is very nice. Gives lot's of examples of everyday stuff you'd like to do. M. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
