Re: New blog - "PicoLisp for beginners"
Hi Radek, I'm happy the blog helps you! I agree with you that it's hard to find the "important" functions in the beginning. I was very glad when I found the quantitative "Rosetta Code Analysis", I don't know who did it but it was really helpful. Regarding your documentation proposal with the flags and interactive editing, I'm not able to judge if it's a good idea or not. But from my personal experience, I'm not sure if this would actually solve the problem (for beginners). I think the main beginner's problem is that you actually don't know what to look for, and more flags can be even more confusing. In my opinion, what is really helping is to have tons of examples (and someone to ask). But I guess that's also a matter of personal learning style.. BR, Mia Am 10.09.21 um 15:05 schrieb Radek Svoboda: Hi, I consider myself beginer. I like your blog (have i read it sooner, i would save my time). PilCon afterthoughts: as beginer I face problem of too big search space for possible answers. I think that your top-down clarification proposal is aimed at that. 60 beginer functions from your blog helps with problem. I think interactive/dynamic documentation is more effective than static one . But I do not efficiently use tools picolisp have for that, yet. Maybe PilCon? maybe valuable proposals: All functions could have flag in properties. [basic] [pilog] [stream I/O] [obscure] [linux native] [destructive] so you can search and limit searchspace. for example: I want basic, stream I/O, not destructive, not obscure. than i read names of functions, than documentation of all searched. Enough flags to limit search to small pool of 7 functions. Documentation could be "live" evaluated and linked with automated tests. So you can add/improve your documentation, and also reduce workload on maintenance. Controversial one: Too much expressivness is double edge sword. It gives you power to do what you want how you want, but also expands search space for answers when writing and reading new code. I am not experienced enough to judge functions, but i think there are too many. Maybe discussion and cleanup? IMHO, all of the above has bigger value than refactoring all pil-core-code which would fit only one person who refactored it. I think it is possible to have multiple working structures of same program to fit multiple people. I do not see very practical way of commissioning it now. Best regards, razzy. st 1. 9. 2021 v 12:34 odesílatel Mia Burger mailto:mia.bur...@gmx.de>> napsal: Hi all, I'm Mia, one of Alex' daughters, nice to meet you! I started to play around with PicoLisp a few months ago. So I checked the available resources, and after a while I thought it might be good to have a little bit more "beginner's level" content, with a low threshold and fun to read. Because I feel that a lot of it is already quite advanced (or of rather mixed difficulty), which can be quite frustrating. So we started to put up a blog together. Today I have posted the first article, and there will be one post per day for the next few weeks. If you're interested, feel free to follow! - This is the blog homepage: https://picolisp-blog.hashnode.dev/ <https://picolisp-blog.hashnode.dev/> - And here is the repository with some ideas for structure and content: https://gitlab.com/picolisp-blog/structure <https://gitlab.com/picolisp-blog/structure> I'm always happy about feedback or further inputs - for example, I think it would be really nice to feature some community projects, like Nehal's mind maps. Always open for your ideas! Also, please let me know if something requires further explanation or maybe is even wrong. Wish you a nice rest of the week! Best regards, Mia PS. Also I have to apologize, obviously most of the content is not originally from me but from the community. Sometimes I even copied complete sentences if I liked them. Hope that was ok! -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de <mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de>?subjectUnsubscribe -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: New blog - "PicoLisp for beginners"
Hello Jean-Christophe, you are right, I have expanded this part a little bit. Thanks for the hint! Am 08.09.21 um 16:25 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary: I just read the i/o part and I wish you'd have given examples for the libraries at the end of the post. JC -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
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Hi! I will also participate. I have received some input ideas about possible blog content, I could share the updated "plan". :-) Mia Am 09.09.21 um 09:06 schrieb Alexander Burger: Hi all, tomorrow is the 10th, so let's have a PilCon at 8:00 UTC on https://meeting.itship.ch/PilCon Any issues or questions? ☺/ A!ex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: New blog - "PicoLisp for beginners"
Hi Jean-Christophe, thanks a lot for the information! I'll update the blog post after you updated the wiki :-) Best regards MIa Am 05.09.21 um 08:18 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary: On Sep 4, 2021, at 23:53, Andras Pahi wrote: Hi Jean-Cristophe, I’ve built pil21 on macOS 10.14: ... It builds cleanly and passes all the included tests. Thank you pahihu. I just sent a summary for macos installations. The only way to build/install on macOS is by using this fork: https://github.com/pahihu/picoLisp So, can I now safely remove your gihub repository ? By the way, the wiki here: https://picolisp.com/wiki/?home seems to confirm that picolisp won't build/run on macos And, maybe it is now time to update the wiki :-) If/when the patch is added to the repository, I'll update it myself :) I guess the Makefile info can be put there ase well, but it would be nicer to have it patched. -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: New blog - "PicoLisp for beginners"
Hi Nehal, thanks a lot for your feedback! You were right about the third post, this was one of the first ones I wrote, and I agree that the flow was not good... I have shortened the second part, I think its a little bit better now. Maybe I will fully take it out of the "beginner's" course later. Yes, I really like the mind maps, I think it's a very creative and unique idea :-) Wish you a nice weekend! Mia Am 03.09.21 um 14:09 schrieb Nehal: Hi Mia, Thanks for posting here and starting this blog. There are a total of three blogs at the moment. Last one I feel could be further simplified, it's great effort by you. The flow and flair make it all the more interesting to read posts in one go! I loved the first article. Thanks again. Also I'm glad you liked the mind maps! :-) Hoping to read further and also contributing by way of more mind maps. With warm regards, Nehal -- https://linktr.ee/nehal5 <https://linktr.ee/nehal5> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 3:34 PM Mia Burger mailto:mia.bur...@gmx.de>> wrote: Hi all, I'm Mia, one of Alex' daughters, nice to meet you! I started to play around with PicoLisp a few months ago. So I checked the available resources, and after a while I thought it might be good to have a little bit more "beginner's level" content, with a low threshold and fun to read. Because I feel that a lot of it is already quite advanced (or of rather mixed difficulty), which can be quite frustrating. So we started to put up a blog together. Today I have posted the first article, and there will be one post per day for the next few weeks. If you're interested, feel free to follow! - This is the blog homepage: https://picolisp-blog.hashnode.dev/ <https://picolisp-blog.hashnode.dev/> - And here is the repository with some ideas for structure and content: https://gitlab.com/picolisp-blog/structure <https://gitlab.com/picolisp-blog/structure> I'm always happy about feedback or further inputs - for example, I think it would be really nice to feature some community projects, like Nehal's mind maps. Always open for your ideas! Also, please let me know if something requires further explanation or maybe is even wrong. Wish you a nice rest of the week! Best regards, Mia PS. Also I have to apologize, obviously most of the content is not originally from me but from the community. Sometimes I even copied complete sentences if I liked them. Hope that was ok! -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de <mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de>?subjectUnsubscribe
New blog - "PicoLisp for beginners"
Hi all, I'm Mia, one of Alex' daughters, nice to meet you! I started to play around with PicoLisp a few months ago. So I checked the available resources, and after a while I thought it might be good to have a little bit more "beginner's level" content, with a low threshold and fun to read. Because I feel that a lot of it is already quite advanced (or of rather mixed difficulty), which can be quite frustrating. So we started to put up a blog together. Today I have posted the first article, and there will be one post per day for the next few weeks. If you're interested, feel free to follow! - This is the blog homepage: https://picolisp-blog.hashnode.dev/ - And here is the repository with some ideas for structure and content: https://gitlab.com/picolisp-blog/structure I'm always happy about feedback or further inputs - for example, I think it would be really nice to feature some community projects, like Nehal's mind maps. Always open for your ideas! Also, please let me know if something requires further explanation or maybe is even wrong. Wish you a nice rest of the week! Best regards, Mia PS. Also I have to apologize, obviously most of the content is not originally from me but from the community. Sometimes I even copied complete sentences if I liked them. Hope that was ok! -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
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