Re: printer opinions

[Victor Odhner]

I’m happy with our old HP OfficeJet 550. Its paper tray is big enough for a lot 
of copies, its four ink tanks have a long lifetime, and it prints pretty fast. 
It was sold to me as an alternative to a laser printer, and I think we’ve done 
well with it.

We’ll see how it does with the cheaper ink from Cartridge World. :) 
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On Jan 27, 2016, at 16:22:47, Brian Cluff  wrote:

$300 is the used price.  That's a $1000+ printer new.  I would be scared of a 
used printer.  The one you get might have a couple million prints on it.

I wouldn't recommend to most people to get the same printer I have unless they 
have a heavy print load.  I just used it as a good example of how a more 
expensive printer and quickly pay for itself.  It would take $450 worth of 
toner in a 2000 page yield printer to equal one of my $59 cartridges and my 
printer is made much better, so it will last longer too but like I said, it 
doesn't make much sense if you print so seldom that you only put 1 or 2 
cartridges in the printer before you throw it away and get a new one. (perhaps 
because your new computer doesn't have a parallel port on it any more)

Brian Cluff

On 01/27/2016 01:26 PM, Michael wrote:
> I need a new printer but I don't have $300 for it!
> 
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Michael  > wrote:
> 
>how many pages are the color cartridges supposed to do?
> 
>On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Brian Cluff > wrote:
> 
>Xerox 6360
> 
>Brian Cluff
> 
> 
>On 01/27/2016 01:12 PM, Michael wrote:
>>What printer do you have Brian?
>> 
>>On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Michael >> wrote:
>> 
>>gray-scale printing! Yay.
>> 
>>On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Brian Cluff
>><br...@snaptek.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high
>>yield (18,000 pages) genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.
>>$28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)
>> 
>>If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield
>>cartridges (1 black + 3 color) for $85. Refills could
>>probably be had for less than that.
>> 
>>So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.
>> 
>>Brian Cluff
>> 
>>On 01/27/2016 10:39 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>> 
>>Danger Will Robinson!
>> 
>>If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's
>>almost for sure a
>>refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical
>>and physical
>>consistency of the toner with which they refill,
>>you could end up
>>damaging your expensive printer.
>> 
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Re: printer opinions

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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:59:29PM -0700, Stephen Partington wrote:
> The 1430 is a Pigment instead of Dye and as such they tend to be more
> expensive per page.

I never saw a mention of that on their site. Maybe I missed it. Thanks.

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Re: printer opinions

[Brian Cluff]

$300 is the used price.  That's a $1000+ printer new.  I would be scared 
of a used printer.  The one you get might have a couple million prints 
on it.


I wouldn't recommend to most people to get the same printer I have 
unless they have a heavy print load.  I just used it as a good example 
of how a more expensive printer and quickly pay for itself.  It would 
take $450 worth of toner in a 2000 page yield printer to equal one of my 
$59 cartridges and my printer is made much better, so it will last 
longer too but like I said, it doesn't make much sense if you print 
so seldom that you only put 1 or 2 cartridges in the printer before you 
throw it away and get a new one. (perhaps because your new computer 
doesn't have a parallel port on it any more)


Brian Cluff

On 01/27/2016 01:26 PM, Michael wrote:

I need a new printer but I don't have $300 for it!

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Michael > wrote:

how many pages are the color cartridges supposed to do?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Brian Cluff > wrote:

Xerox 6360

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On 01/27/2016 01:12 PM, Michael wrote:

What printer do you have Brian?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Michael > wrote:

gray-scale printing! Yay.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Brian Cluff
<br...@snaptek.com
> wrote:

My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high
yield (18,000 pages) genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.
$28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)

If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield
cartridges (1 black + 3 color) for $85. Refills could
probably be had for less than that.

So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.

Brian Cluff

On 01/27/2016 10:39 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

Danger Will Robinson!

If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's
almost for sure a
refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical
and physical
consistency of the toner with which they refill,
you could end up
damaging your expensive printer.


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Re: printer opinions

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:16:22 -0700
Brian Cluff  wrote:

> With low end printers you would those cartridges would
> usually have a yield of about 1500-2000 pages per cartridge.  Spend a
> little more on the printer and you get a printer that will get
> 5000-8000 per cartridge.  Spend a little more and you can get
> printers that will get 15000 to 2 for the same $50-$70.

Danger Will Robinson!

If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's almost for sure a
refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical and physical
consistency of the toner with which they refill, you could end up
damaging your expensive printer.

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Re: printer opinions

[Bob Holtzman]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 01:15:56PM -0700, Stephen Partington wrote:
> The artisan 1430 is designed for art reproduction and high  quality
> graphics.
> 
> At 300 it is the least expensive of the professional print options. And it
> has the ability to do 11x19. Anything better jumps by 200 or more.
> On Jan 26, 2016 1:02 PM, "Bob Holtzman"  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 05:30:12PM -0700, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > > Well for wide format/photos I would have to say the Epson Artisan 1430 is
> > > about the best you will get. However, it will kill with ink you if you
> > use
> > > it up doing text docs.
> >

True, but I was referring to your statement about ink usage.

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Re: printer opinions

[Brian Cluff]

My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high yield (18,000 
pages) genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.

$28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)

If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield cartridges (1 
black + 3 color) for $85.  Refills could probably be had for less than that.


So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.

Brian Cluff

On 01/27/2016 10:39 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

Danger Will Robinson!

If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's almost for sure a
refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical and physical
consistency of the toner with which they refill, you could end up
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Re: printer opinions

[Michael]

I need a new printer but I don't have $300 for it!

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Michael  wrote:

> how many pages are the color cartridges supposed to do?
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
>
>> Xerox 6360
>>
>> Brian Cluff
>>
>>
>> On 01/27/2016 01:12 PM, Michael wrote:
>>
>> What printer do you have Brian?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> gray-scale printing! Yay.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Brian Cluff < 
>>> br...@snaptek.com> wrote:
>>>
 My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high yield (18,000
 pages) genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.
 $28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)

 If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield cartridges (1
 black + 3 color) for $85.  Refills could probably be had for less than 
 that.

 So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.

 Brian Cluff

 On 01/27/2016 10:39 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

> Danger Will Robinson!
>
> If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's almost for sure a
> refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical and physical
> consistency of the toner with which they refill, you could end up
> damaging your expensive printer.
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Re: printer opinions

[Brian Cluff]

Xerox 6360

Brian Cluff

On 01/27/2016 01:12 PM, Michael wrote:

What printer do you have Brian?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Michael > wrote:


gray-scale printing! Yay.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Brian Cluff > wrote:

My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high yield
(18,000 pages) genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.
$28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)

If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield
cartridges (1 black + 3 color) for $85. Refills could probably
be had for less than that.

So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.

Brian Cluff

On 01/27/2016 10:39 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

Danger Will Robinson!

If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's almost
for sure a
refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical and physical
consistency of the toner with which they refill, you could
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damaging your expensive printer.


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Re: printer opinions

[Michael]

how many pages are the color cartridges supposed to do?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> Xerox 6360
>
> Brian Cluff
>
>
> On 01/27/2016 01:12 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> What printer do you have Brian?
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> gray-scale printing! Yay.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Brian Cluff < 
>> br...@snaptek.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high yield (18,000
>>> pages) genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.
>>> $28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)
>>>
>>> If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield cartridges (1
>>> black + 3 color) for $85.  Refills could probably be had for less than that.
>>>
>>> So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.
>>>
>>> Brian Cluff
>>>
>>> On 01/27/2016 10:39 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>>>
 Danger Will Robinson!

 If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's almost for sure a
 refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical and physical
 consistency of the toner with which they refill, you could end up
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Re: printer opinions

[Brian Cluff]

13,000ish for each color.

It sounds like you are looking to do photo work with your printer. If 
you want something that looks like a photo then you don't want any laser 
printer.  Laser printers print too crisp.  You need something that will 
allow inks or dyes to run together a little bit.


So you'll want to get an inkjet or dye sublimation printer.

If I were you, I would look at what it costs to just get things printed 
at walmart or some other place.  I think you'll find that it's worth it, 
especially when you consider that the yield numbers are based on a 5% 
coverage.With photos your coverage is much much higher so every print 
will be more like printing 20 pages worth of ink taken out of every 
cartride, so you'll be eating through inkjet cartridges after 50ish 
prints.  Just get yourself a decent inkjet for when you need something 
quickly.


Brian Cluff

On 01/27/2016 01:18 PM, Michael wrote:

how many pages are the color cartridges supposed to do?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Brian Cluff > wrote:


Xerox 6360

Brian Cluff


On 01/27/2016 01:12 PM, Michael wrote:

What printer do you have Brian?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Michael > wrote:

gray-scale printing! Yay.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Brian Cluff
> wrote:

My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high
yield (18,000 pages) genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.
$28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)

If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield
cartridges (1 black + 3 color) for $85.  Refills could
probably be had for less than that.

So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.

Brian Cluff

On 01/27/2016 10:39 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

Danger Will Robinson!

If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's
almost for sure a
refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical and
physical
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could end up
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Re: printer opinions

[Michael]

That's what I'm good for just a quickie!

I was thinking exactly what you suggested. I'll just walk over to cvs for
photos.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> 13,000ish for each color.
>
> It sounds like you are looking to do photo work with your printer.  If you
> want something that looks like a photo then you don't want any laser
> printer.  Laser printers print too crisp.  You need something that will
> allow inks or dyes to run together a little bit.
>
> So you'll want to get an inkjet or dye sublimation printer.
>
> If I were you, I would look at what it costs to just get things printed at
> walmart or some other place.  I think you'll find that it's worth it,
> especially when you consider that the yield numbers are based on a 5%
> coverage.With photos your coverage is much much higher so every print will
> be more like printing 20 pages worth of ink taken out of every cartride, so
> you'll be eating through inkjet cartridges after 50ish prints.  Just get
> yourself a decent inkjet for when you need something quickly.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
>
> On 01/27/2016 01:18 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> how many pages are the color cartridges supposed to do?
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
>
>> Xerox 6360
>>
>> Brian Cluff
>>
>>
>> On 01/27/2016 01:12 PM, Michael wrote:
>>
>> What printer do you have Brian?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Michael < 
>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> gray-scale printing! Yay.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Brian Cluff < 
>>> br...@snaptek.com> wrote:
>>>
 My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high yield (18,000
 pages) genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.
 $28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)

 If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield cartridges (1
 black + 3 color) for $85.  Refills could probably be had for less than 
 that.

 So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.

 Brian Cluff

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> Danger Will Robinson!
>
> If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's almost for sure a
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Re: printer opinions

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The 1430 is a Pigment instead of Dye and as such they tend to be more
expensive per page.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Bob Holtzman  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 01:15:56PM -0700, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > The artisan 1430 is designed for art reproduction and high  quality
> > graphics.
> >
> > At 300 it is the least expensive of the professional print options. And
> it
> > has the ability to do 11x19. Anything better jumps by 200 or more.
> > On Jan 26, 2016 1:02 PM, "Bob Holtzman"  wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 05:30:12PM -0700, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > > > Well for wide format/photos I would have to say the Epson Artisan
> 1430 is
> > > > about the best you will get. However, it will kill with ink you if
> you
> > > use
> > > > it up doing text docs.
> > >
>
> True, but I was referring to your statement about ink usage.
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Re: printer opinions

[Michael]

gray-scale printing! Yay.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high yield (18,000 pages)
> genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.
> $28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)
>
> If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield cartridges (1 black
> + 3 color) for $85.  Refills could probably be had for less than that.
>
> So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 01/27/2016 10:39 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> Danger Will Robinson!
>>
>> If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's almost for sure a
>> refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical and physical
>> consistency of the toner with which they refill, you could end up
>> damaging your expensive printer.
>>
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Re: printer opinions

[Bob Holtzman]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 05:30:12PM -0700, Stephen Partington wrote:
> Well for wide format/photos I would have to say the Epson Artisan 1430 is
> about the best you will get. However, it will kill with ink you if you use
> it up doing text docs.

I wasn't aware of that. Educate me. How so?

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Re: printer opinions

[Stephen Partington]

The artisan 1430 is designed for art reproduction and high  quality
graphics.

At 300 it is the least expensive of the professional print options. And it
has the ability to do 11x19. Anything better jumps by 200 or more.
On Jan 26, 2016 1:02 PM, "Bob Holtzman"  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 05:30:12PM -0700, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > Well for wide format/photos I would have to say the Epson Artisan 1430 is
> > about the best you will get. However, it will kill with ink you if you
> use
> > it up doing text docs.
>
> I wasn't aware of that. Educate me. How so?
>
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Re: printer opinions

[Stephen Partington]

Laser printers the real cost is the toner, but we worked out a canon that
was only about 100 and it was cheaper per page than all the ink jet
solutions we had found. Not sure this is still the case.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-LBP6030W-Wireless-Monochrome-Printer/dp/B00K5UZO0Q/
Sure, but you would save money across the board on refills so my argument
still stands.  You HAVE to consider total cost of ownership with printers
or you can loose serious money.

At the place that I used to work they spent $90,000 on purchasing toner for
15 printers because the accountant made us buy the "cheap" printer.  And to
make matters worse the printers completely died about about a year and a
half they were purchased.  The classrooms that were using the better
printers that we wanted to buy ran those printers for a decade or more with
little to no problems.

That's of course an extreme example on printers that were being heavily
used, but it still matters on lower usage printers.

Brian Cluff

On 01/25/2016 06:55 PM, Tom Roche wrote:

>
> Brian Cluff [1]
>
>> Most of the [laser] printers I was pricing had toner cartridges that cost
>> about $50-$70 each.
>>
>
> But that's for *new* cartridges, no? IIUC, after the initial purchase most
> folks just refill the cartridges for much cheaper. If you can't afford any
> downtime, just buy 2 cartridges, so you can have one at the refiller.
>
> Best advice I got on this subject was: before you buy a laser printer, ask
> the folks @ the nearest refiller (or wherever you plan to have it done) how
> much it costs to refill the cartridge and how reliable the refills are.
> Some cartridges refill easily, others are apparently engineered to
> resist--some manufacturers apparently low-ball printer prices to "make it
> back" on the consumables.
>
> FWIW, Tom Roche 
>
> [1]:
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Re: printer opinions

[Brian Cluff]

Sure, but you would save money across the board on refills so my 
argument still stands.  You HAVE to consider total cost of ownership 
with printers or you can loose serious money.


At the place that I used to work they spent $90,000 on purchasing toner 
for 15 printers because the accountant made us buy the "cheap" printer. 
 And to make matters worse the printers completely died about about a 
year and a half they were purchased.  The classrooms that were using the 
better printers that we wanted to buy ran those printers for a decade or 
more with little to no problems.


That's of course an extreme example on printers that were being heavily 
used, but it still matters on lower usage printers.


Brian Cluff

On 01/25/2016 06:55 PM, Tom Roche wrote:


Brian Cluff [1]

Most of the [laser] printers I was pricing had toner cartridges that cost about 
$50-$70 each.


But that's for *new* cartridges, no? IIUC, after the initial purchase most 
folks just refill the cartridges for much cheaper. If you can't afford any 
downtime, just buy 2 cartridges, so you can have one at the refiller.

Best advice I got on this subject was: before you buy a laser printer, ask the folks @ 
the nearest refiller (or wherever you plan to have it done) how much it costs to refill 
the cartridge and how reliable the refills are. Some cartridges refill easily, others are 
apparently engineered to resist--some manufacturers apparently low-ball printer prices to 
"make it back" on the consumables.

FWIW, Tom Roche 

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Re: printer opinions

[Brian Cluff]

Make sure to compare the cost per page.  Most low and mid range laser 
printers have relatively high costs per page when compared to other 
printers.


For instance, when I was last in the market for a printer, Most of the 
printers I was pricing had toner cartridges that cost about $50-$70 
each.  With low end printers you would those cartridges would usually 
have a yield of about 1500-2000 pages per cartridge.  Spend a little 
more on the printer and you get a printer that will get 5000-8000 per 
cartridge.  Spend a little more and you can get printers that will get 
15000 to 2 for the same $50-$70.


Of course it all depends on how much you print.  If you only use or a 
ream of paper a year, it might not be worth the extra cost to get a 
higher end printer since you'll probably replace it well before it's 
worn out and you won't be feeding enough toner into it to make up for 
the added cost.


I personally try to get a mid range printer due to the nice middle 
ground of having slightly higher yields as well as the printer having 
extra bells and whistles that the low end printers usually lack.


Brian Cluff

On 01/24/2016 11:00 PM, Todd Cole wrote:

/I will second Brother Printers MFC line and ADS scanners are second to none
we have 5 printers and two scanners and only one repair in the last 5 years
and work with Windows OSX and Linux but the software is proprietary so
that is
the only draw back. At home I have a MFC-9440CN that I bought used three
years ago
/
/it is a color lazer that does not work well for pictures posters ect
but cranks out documents
/
/all day for little cost and easy to clean and fix if needed. I also
have brother HL-1440 black and white
/
/lazer that is much older and still works perfect and I have only opened
it to add a new toner
/
/
/

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Wayne D > wrote:

(I) have switched to "Brother" exclusively  (3 lasers, 1 inkjet and a
ADS-2000 scanner.  They all have performed flawlessly with no jams.
Inkjets SUCK if you don't use them consistently.  The latent ink in the
heads and tubes dry out and trash the printer.   If ever I decide (I)
need color again, (I) will be going color LASER.  Yes, it IS much more
expensive, BUT at least I won't need to deal with dried out inks.

FLIP SIDE: EPSON inks supposedly are archive quality though and it
probably will be cheaper to become a heroin addict instead of buying
ink. Still, their inks I believe are rated 20 or 25 years if printouts
are stored properly AND 6 cartridges give better color accuracy.


Hope I helped.  ;-)


On 01/24/2016 09:26 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> My old HP gave up the ghost so I'm in the market. Reading the reviews it
> seems that HP quality has gone down the tubes lately, especially in the
> low and mid levels. Epson had decent reviews but 6 ink cartridges? Give
> me a break.
>
> I'd like some opinions from the group on printers in general and HP vs
> Epson in particular.
>
> TIA
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Re: printer opinions

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:16:33PM -0700, Stephen Partington wrote:
> What are you doing with it?

.duh, print?

Sarcasm aside, mostly text docs with some photographs.

What I would really like to find is a wide format (13 in) with good
reviews. Found a couple of HPs but w/ so-so reviews.

> On Jan 24, 2016 9:54 PM, "Bob Holtzman"  wrote:
> 
> > My old HP gave up the ghost so I'm in the market. Reading the reviews it
> > seems that HP quality has gone down the tubes lately, especially in the
> > low and mid levels. Epson had decent reviews but 6 ink cartridges? Give
> > me a break.
> >
> > I'd like some opinions from the group on printers in general and HP vs
> > Epson in particular.

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Re: printer opinions

[Stephen Partington]

Well for wide format/photos I would have to say the Epson Artisan 1430 is
about the best you will get. However, it will kill with ink you if you use
it up doing text docs.

For black and white, most any of the current 100$ range or fewer printers
is perfect. Doc printing is really simple and easy to do well so any cheap
thing is good. you can also get into cheap B/W Laster printers at that
range. wich is my goal. the longevity and value for laser text are huge.

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On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Bob Holtzman  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:16:33PM -0700, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > What are you doing with it?
>
> .duh, print?
>
> Sarcasm aside, mostly text docs with some photographs.
>
> What I would really like to find is a wide format (13 in) with good
> reviews. Found a couple of HPs but w/ so-so reviews.
>
> > On Jan 24, 2016 9:54 PM, "Bob Holtzman"  wrote:
> >
> > > My old HP gave up the ghost so I'm in the market. Reading the reviews
> it
> > > seems that HP quality has gone down the tubes lately, especially in the
> > > low and mid levels. Epson had decent reviews but 6 ink cartridges? Give
> > > me a break.
> > >
> > > I'd like some opinions from the group on printers in general and HP vs
> > > Epson in particular.
>
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Re: printer opinions

[Michael]

which Brothers would you recommend (for color).

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Todd Cole  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *I will second Brother Printers MFC line and ADS scanners are second to
> nonewe have 5 printers and two scanners and only one repair in the last 5
> yearsand work with Windows OSX and Linux but the software is proprietary so
> that isthe only draw back. At home I have a MFC-9440CN that I bought used
> three years ago*
>
> *it is a color lazer that does not work well for pictures posters ect but
> cranks out documents*
>
> *all day for little cost and easy to clean and fix if needed. I also have
> brother HL-1440 black and white*
>
> *lazer that is much older and still works perfect and I have only opened
> it to add a new toner*
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Wayne D 
> wrote:
>
>> (I) have switched to "Brother" exclusively  (3 lasers, 1 inkjet and a
>> ADS-2000 scanner.  They all have performed flawlessly with no jams.
>> Inkjets SUCK if you don't use them consistently.  The latent ink in the
>> heads and tubes dry out and trash the printer.   If ever I decide (I)
>> need color again, (I) will be going color LASER.  Yes, it IS much more
>> expensive, BUT at least I won't need to deal with dried out inks.
>>
>> FLIP SIDE: EPSON inks supposedly are archive quality though and it
>> probably will be cheaper to become a heroin addict instead of buying
>> ink. Still, their inks I believe are rated 20 or 25 years if printouts
>> are stored properly AND 6 cartridges give better color accuracy.
>>
>>
>> Hope I helped.  ;-)
>>
>>
>> On 01/24/2016 09:26 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote:
>> > My old HP gave up the ghost so I'm in the market. Reading the reviews it
>> > seems that HP quality has gone down the tubes lately, especially in the
>> > low and mid levels. Epson had decent reviews but 6 ink cartridges? Give
>> > me a break.
>> >
>> > I'd like some opinions from the group on printers in general and HP vs
>> > Epson in particular.
>> >
>> > TIA
>> >
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Re: printer opinions

[Wayne D]

(I) have switched to "Brother" exclusively  (3 lasers, 1 inkjet and a
ADS-2000 scanner.  They all have performed flawlessly with no jams.
Inkjets SUCK if you don't use them consistently.  The latent ink in the
heads and tubes dry out and trash the printer.   If ever I decide (I)
need color again, (I) will be going color LASER.  Yes, it IS much more
expensive, BUT at least I won't need to deal with dried out inks.

FLIP SIDE: EPSON inks supposedly are archive quality though and it
probably will be cheaper to become a heroin addict instead of buying
ink. Still, their inks I believe are rated 20 or 25 years if printouts
are stored properly AND 6 cartridges give better color accuracy.


Hope I helped.  ;-)


On 01/24/2016 09:26 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> My old HP gave up the ghost so I'm in the market. Reading the reviews it
> seems that HP quality has gone down the tubes lately, especially in the
> low and mid levels. Epson had decent reviews but 6 ink cartridges? Give
> me a break.
> 
> I'd like some opinions from the group on printers in general and HP vs
> Epson in particular.
> 
> TIA 
> 
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Re: printer opinions

[Stephen Partington]

What are you doing with it?
On Jan 24, 2016 9:54 PM, "Bob Holtzman"  wrote:

> My old HP gave up the ghost so I'm in the market. Reading the reviews it
> seems that HP quality has gone down the tubes lately, especially in the
> low and mid levels. Epson had decent reviews but 6 ink cartridges? Give
> me a break.
>
> I'd like some opinions from the group on printers in general and HP vs
> Epson in particular.
>
> TIA
>
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Re: printer opinions

[Todd Cole]

*I will second Brother Printers MFC line and ADS scanners are second to
nonewe have 5 printers and two scanners and only one repair in the last 5
yearsand work with Windows OSX and Linux but the software is proprietary so
that isthe only draw back. At home I have a MFC-9440CN that I bought used
three years ago*

*it is a color lazer that does not work well for pictures posters ect but
cranks out documents*

*all day for little cost and easy to clean and fix if needed. I also have
brother HL-1440 black and white*

*lazer that is much older and still works perfect and I have only opened it
to add a new toner*


On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Wayne D  wrote:

> (I) have switched to "Brother" exclusively  (3 lasers, 1 inkjet and a
> ADS-2000 scanner.  They all have performed flawlessly with no jams.
> Inkjets SUCK if you don't use them consistently.  The latent ink in the
> heads and tubes dry out and trash the printer.   If ever I decide (I)
> need color again, (I) will be going color LASER.  Yes, it IS much more
> expensive, BUT at least I won't need to deal with dried out inks.
>
> FLIP SIDE: EPSON inks supposedly are archive quality though and it
> probably will be cheaper to become a heroin addict instead of buying
> ink. Still, their inks I believe are rated 20 or 25 years if printouts
> are stored properly AND 6 cartridges give better color accuracy.
>
>
> Hope I helped.  ;-)
>
>
> On 01/24/2016 09:26 PM, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > My old HP gave up the ghost so I'm in the market. Reading the reviews it
> > seems that HP quality has gone down the tubes lately, especially in the
> > low and mid levels. Epson had decent reviews but 6 ink cartridges? Give
> > me a break.
> >
> > I'd like some opinions from the group on printers in general and HP vs
> > Epson in particular.
> >
> > TIA
> >
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