Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
Ok, here's the breakdown: - Spotify is sending 320kbps data to the spotty helper. This data is afaik OGG encoded. - The spotty helper would take these 320kbps OGG data and decode it to raw 1.4Mbps PCM data. - The Spotty plugin would in turn take these 1.4Mbps PCM data and transcode them to FLAC to save some bandwidth when streaming to the device. FLAC is lossless compression. While it would save about 40-50% of the volume, the data when decoded to PCM on the device again would be the same PCM data that Spotty originally received from the spotty helper. But the bandwidth would be about half the 1.4Mbps, which gives those 700kbps. By disabling the PCM -> FLAC decoding you save a few CPU cycles at the cost of more network traffic in your local network. In most cases this really doesn't matter, as most systems have enough CPU and bandwidth. But the data eventually played on the device would be the exact same as the decoded OGG stream as received from Spotify. It's just been transcoded a few times, resulting in different bitrates :-). Michael http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins - Spotty, MusicArtistInfo mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108080 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
Then i check my synology LMS page it says only 705kbps which playing the same song. I tried reinstall and enabled or disable Spotty also cannot get it to play at 1410kbps on the synology. On the picoreplayer LMS it just play 1410 once I installed the spotify plugin. Did anyone encounter this problem also? I'm not sure I understand: are you saying that it wasn't playing? Or is your "problem" the difference between 1410 and 705kbps? One is the raw audio's bitrate, the other the flac compressed version's. The data played would be the same. Just disable spotty -> flac transcoding if that number is of importance to you :-). -- Michael ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
Hi All, I am having some issue with my Synology spotify plugin please help. I have been playing with Synology 1815+ LMS/Touch at home for many yrs never notice any issue. Recently I am playing with Picoreplayer and just notice that streaming rate below the album art its 1410kbps on the Picoreplayer latest 3.5 Audio ver on a Pi 3B. Then i check my synology LMS page it says only 705kbps which playing the same song. I tried reinstall and enabled or disable Spotty also cannot get it to play at 1410kbps on the synology. On the picoreplayer LMS it just play 1410 once I installed the spotify plugin. Did anyone encounter this problem also? Synology running latest beta LMS 7.9.1-168, Spotty 2.3.8 and Spotty help for Armv8... v0.12.0 thanks in advance. ck samcklee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108080 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
kc5f wrote: > Thanks, Michael, for all your work and your willingness to keep us all > informed. > > You do say, "spotty is currently always using the highest quality > stream." If possible, could I (and perhaps the OP) request that this be > made an option? Me Three! Slackerini's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108080 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
Thanks, Michael, for all your work and your willingness to keep us all informed. You do say, "spotty is currently always using the highest quality stream." If possible, could I (and perhaps the OP) request that this be made an option? With limited DSL internet speed here, at times using Spotty it rebuffers every minute or so, while TuneIn and other services using lower-quality streams don't. This is the same whether using my ethernet-connected picore server or wifi-connected laptop for LMS, so I know it's neither the wifi nor the hardware used for LMS. I'd love to have faster internet, but it's not an option where we live. kc5f's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19652 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108080 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
I know I can change the stream quality in the spotify app on my phone - but would that take effect 'globally' i.e. also for my picoreplayer using spotty? No, spotty is currently always using the highest quality stream. Are there other means to choose the stream bandwidth? See the other answers. -- Michael ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
Giza2020 wrote:
> so if I wanted the very best max bandwidth quality sounds what do I set
> Lame or other LMS audio settings to?
> pi squeeze players and boom.
For best quality leave at default, including bitrate limiting -disabled
-for the player.
The OP was not asking for best quality, but how to decrease the
bandwidth used. Spotty always streams in a PCM or FLAC format with
higher bitrate and bandwidth than any mp3 format has. Enabling a bitrate
limit for a player, makes LMS automatically transcode any stream in
higher bitrate, to the given mp3 bitrate format. You save bandwidth, but
quality also decreases.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
I always leave it at "No Limit" which is the default i believe. 23787 +---+ |Filename: a bitrate limit.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23787| +---+ Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108080 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
so if I wanted the very best max bandwidth quality sounds what do I set Lame or other LMS audio settings to? pi squeeze players and boom. Giza2020's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108080 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
As I understand it the "Sound Quality" as determined by Spotify is one stream of 160 thingies per sec and another of 320 thingies per sec. So changing the Sound Quality setting should result in the use of a lower bandwidth. What I did not remember (until the post by Stig) is that the Spotty plugin is "fixed" at 320 thingies, regardless. It is possible apparently, to utilise librespot at the lower bandwidth but the developer deprecates the idea. IMO encouraging users to be "Premium" means Spotify is more likely to use the "Nelson touch" with regard to librespot. Ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108080 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
Man in a van wrote:
> One can change the Sound Quality in (Log in) Settings from the Desktop
> app, should think that would apply to all devices.
> Try it and see:)
>
Changing the "original" Spotify quality, wont change the format of
output from Spotty. Only the sound quality.
Instead you need to look at audio settings of your mobile player:
LMS settings -> Player -> Choose your "mobile picoreplayer" in 1st
dropdown -> Choose Audio in second dropdown
If you have LAME installed, you can now set "Bitrate limiting" for the
player to for example 320kbps. Everything above that should then be
transcoded to MP3 320kbps when streaming to your "mobile picoreplayer".
*/Stig*
'www.*rockland*.dk' (http://www.rockland.dk) -
'www.*last.fm*/user/rockland' (https://last.fm/user/rockland) -
'www.*discogs*.com/user/StigNygaard'
(https://discogs.com/user/StigNygaard) -
'*plus.google*.com/+StigNygaard' (https://google.me/+StigNygaard)
*Server:* LMS 7.9.1 ('LmsRepack'
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Sat Aug 19 on Synology DS716+II. *Clients:* 'RPi3 (Max2Play, 7\" touch,
HiFiBerry Digi+ Pro)'
(https://shop.max2play.com/en/raspberry-pi-2-bundle-7-display.html), SB
Touch, OrangeSqueeze/SqueezePlayer. *Livingroom HiFi:* Marantz PM6005
and F3/Lyd Audiovector 2.
Try my *'Art Grabr' (https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/20771)*
for fetching big *cover-art* from various sites - And *'Album Linkr'
(https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/21153)* for a better *last.fm*
desktop browser experience...
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Question regarding Spotty / Spotify stream quality options
One can change the Sound Quality in (Log in) Settings from the Desktop app, should think that would apply to all devices. Try it and see:) Ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108080 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
