Re: New Job & The Silence is Killing Me...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Thanks so much RK! The new gig is Awesome, great people - and my manager 
is a Really cool and smart dude and personable. So - yeah - I'm really 
liking it so far!!!


Now I just need to move to the Irvine area - as the commute from Redondo 
Beach is KILLING Me!


If only I had a functional Transporter...

-K

On 7/21/2021 2:56 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Congrats on the new gig, Kurt.

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rk

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To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: New Job & The Silence is Killing Me...

Wow - seems like in the past month or so - its gotten VERY Quiet around here!!!

Seems an oddity occured - and I started getting these ProFox emails again to my 
main email addy. So - just noticed this recently...

And - for those that follow my Meanderings thru this thing we call life
- I was last working Tech support at Northrop-Grumman in Redondo Beach, CA - 
and was there for like 1 year and 2 months. Well - I know moved onto a New Gig 
- which may be my true DREAM JOB - as its a 3D Printing co. in Irvine - 
building Big and Hi-Tech and FAST 3D Printers! So - its VERY Cool indeed!!!

For those interest:    Essentium.com

-Kurt

P.S. OK - my bad - after I started to write this I realized I should probably 
tag this as NF - although I DID start with a Q re: Quiet ProFox list...


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New Job & The Silence is Killing Me...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Wow - seems like in the past month or so - its gotten VERY Quiet around 
here!!!


Seems an oddity occured - and I started getting these ProFox emails 
again to my main email addy. So - just noticed this recently...


And - for those that follow my Meanderings thru this thing we call life 
- I was last working Tech support at Northrop-Grumman in Redondo Beach, 
CA - and was there for like 1 year and 2 months. Well - I know moved 
onto a New Gig - which may be my true DREAM JOB - as its a 3D Printing 
co. in Irvine - building Big and Hi-Tech and FAST 3D Printers! So - its 
VERY Cool indeed!!!


For those interest:    Essentium.com

-Kurt

P.S. OK - my bad - after I started to write this I realized I should 
probably tag this as NF - although I DID start with a Q re: Quiet ProFox 
list...



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Re: Windows 11???

[Kurt at VR-FX]

This TPM - isn't it a chip based thing in Intel machines for security 
purposes? Sounds familiar from my time at Northrop Grumman...


-Kurt

On 6/29/2021 1:15 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, at 3:05 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS!  Does this mean we have the
anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ???

It looks like effectively a large service pack, the UI has differences but the 
underlying architecture is the same. So I would bet the house that VFP will 
continue to work fine.

Windows 11 also requires a hardware security feature called TPM, and I doubt 
very much that many commodity desktop boxen from Dell and the like will have 
that feature. So I don't see Windows 11 being a feature of the corporate 
desktop for quite a while, as many companies have only just refreshed hardware 
for Windows 10.


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Re: Windows 11???

[Kurt at VR-FX]

I hear you Mike! I too was SHOCKED at the recent news mention of an 11 
version - since I last heard nothing would exist beyond 10 - with only 
Sub-versions! Hmmm...


-Kurt  (Yeah - watch out - I'm back!)

On 6/28/2021 7:05 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Hmmm...I thought Windows 10 was the last OS!  Does this mean we have 
the anxiety yet again of "will our VFP apps work in Win" ???




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Pandemic/Penetration Testing Job

[Kurt at VR-FX]

It sounds painful. Yes - its actually listed in a job on this website:
https://jooble.org/alert-vacancy/XNDJGCDZEPVNTCDBBRTD/0/?ed=43941=553f4d65-3bc7-4916-81e0-976eb715d4e6=1_source=letter_medium=email_campaign=93_3

I thought it was pretty funny they should list something like that - and 
wanted to share it here - as well as fact that there's 5 jobs listed - 
but, some of the links look like total BS type headhunters!


-K-



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Re: Looking for a "side by side" editor for PRGs

[Kurt at VR-FX]

I was trying to remember the tool I was using - at my last job in NYC - 
about 2.5 years ago, and, yeah - that's the one!


-K-

On 1/24/2020 1:32 PM, roger tremblay wrote:

I have used CodeWright for years I don't know if it still exists.

On 1/24/2020 1:53 PM, Vince Teachout wrote:

I've been very happy with Winmerge, for several years.

On 01/24/20 12:52 PM, Paul Newton wrote:

Hi all (Happy New Year)
I have two PRGs with about 60 differences between them.  I am 
looking for an editor that will allow me to view and edit them side 
by side.  I have CodeCompare but I can't seem to get on with it and 
I don't have time to get to grips with it. Basically I want a one 
way copy-and-paste facility (copy from one file, paste into the 
other).  If it highlighted differences that would be a bonus but not 
absolutely essential.  All suggestions most welcome.

Paul Newton






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Re: [NF] PhotoPea, a browser based Photoshop clone.

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey Paul - I didn't know you work w/3DP's! Or - did you mention that 
here once before? You know how it is - old foggies like me - we 
sometimes have memory bank leakages...


:-)

-K-

On 1/16/2020 10:16 AM, Paul Hill wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 11:19, Alan Bourke  wrote:

https://www.photopea.com/

Useful if you can't or don't want to download a locally installed graphics 
editor.

Seems to be WebGL based. Amazing how fully-featured browser applications can be 
now.

Nice.

I use tinkercad for designing 3d models (for 3d printing etc) which is
also web based.
Works fine for my uses.



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Re: Nostalgia -- updating an app written 15+ years ago

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Eric - I could not agree more! There are times - I just jump right in to 
VFP again - and, it feels Exactly that way!


I recently did a mini project, using FoxPro - to do GCode manipulation 
for 3D Printing. And, yeah, it was fun - and I felt some comfortable 
with FoxPro to do the little project!


-K-

On 1/13/2020 3:27 PM, Eric Selje wrote:

Programming in FoxPro is like putting on a comfortable pair of warm
slippers.

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:20 AM MB Software Solutions, LLC <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:


Offered one of my clients 20 free dev hours in 2020 hoping to spur more
business moving their suite of apps I've provided since 2003 forward.
Modifying one app now that I can a comment dated 2004-12-28.  Gives a
nice warm feeling to be working on this app again.  It was redesigned
some time ago to use MySQL as the backend instead of DBFs and uses the
3-tier (UI/BizObj/DataObj) design, so I'm confident it'll be easy to
work on.  (Knock on wood!)

I'm sure some of you have gone back into your archives and felt good
about some apps you've designed long ago.  Just wanted to share the
moment/feeling.  ;-)




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Re: [NF] X# Bandol 2.2 released to the public

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Normally - the phrase is "Bad Steve"! But, now I have to say - Bad Mike! 
Careful, your CBD oil comment may drag this thread into the Very depths 
of the Forbidden Off-Topic Realm!!!


:-)

-K-

On 12/17/2019 7:20 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
Btw, this is a good time to hock my CBD oil for those of you who need 
to chill out.  Sheesh.  LOL


babs4cbd.com -- 60 day money back guarantee!   :D


On 12/17/2019 10:11 AM, Vince Teachout wrote:

On 12/17/19 7:42 AM, Koen Piller wrote:

Hi,
Correct,however if the #X would open an own email service, one can 
decide

to accept that or not, now I am 'forced' to read those messages several
times.


As other's have pointed out, a quick filter solves that problem 
entirely.  And nobody is 'forcing' you to read anything.



Save me the time please.


Why should OTHERS have to change their stuff to save YOU time?


If I like to participate to several forums that is my decision but that
does not mean that I am pleased to read the same message about #X on 
every

forum.


You need not be pleased, that is your right.  Just set a filter. If 
I've offended you, just set a filter on me as well.







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Re: We''re getting old ;)

[Kurt at VR-FX]

By the way - funny pic of Rick Strahl - goofing around - obviously 
because he saw someone was taking a pic. Nice to know what he looks 
like. And, I was surprised to see you - Christof - doing a session on AI 
- a session I would have loved to have seen!


-K-

On 11/7/2019 2:54 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote:

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Re: We''re getting old ;)

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Wow - now I REALLY FEEL Bad for not going! Yeah - I'd fit right in - 
since I'm all grey haired as well. Although, bummer - some pics should 
have captions so we know Who is Who is Who...


:-(

-K-

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Re: Exporting Tables

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Yeah - BAD Steve!!! Ha ha ha!!!


On 10/31/2019 10:48 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 10/31/2019 11:17 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

At 07:38 2019-10-30, Stephen Russell  wrote:
Why not Import from SQL Server or Access? You can then make a backup 
file
from SQL or just copy the access one to give to others who cannot 
use Fox

tables.


 Because the tables are VFP tables.



Steve's world is only SQL Server.   




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Re: Exporting Tables

[Kurt at VR-FX]

True. Yeah - LLIO can be more convoluted to code - I'm just more used to 
doing it that way that the TEXT command, thus why I suggested it. Will 
surely have to seriously consider the TEXT command more so in the future.


-K-

On 10/30/2019 9:46 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:

You don't need LLIO. TEXT...ENDTEXT will do the trick just fine as well as 
allow you to pre-process any of the data like swapping out CRLF with spaces.

--

rk

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech  On Behalf Of Kurt at VR-FX
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:43 PM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Exporting Tables

Hey RK - I was thinking the same thing. Essentially - Gene - you could do the 
direct export of data - but, to a CSV file. Then, use lo-level file handling to 
add the memo field onto each line, and, as RK said - make sure to add in the 
CRLF.

-K-

On 10/30/2019 7:42 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:

I believe this goes back to dBase compatibility and these commands do the same 
thing.

It's not too hard to roll your own CSV/Tab delimited file in which case you can 
keep your memo fields mostly intact. You will need to convert embedded CRLF in 
order to keep one record per line.

--

rk

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From: ProfoxTech  On Behalf Of Tracy
Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:08 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Exporting Tables

Gene,

I have not seen a difference in the output of the two commands.

You might want to consider looking at Craig Boyd's post about exporting and 
importing from Excel. It doesn't mention Memo fields that I could see.
https://www.sweetpotatosoftware.com/blog/index.php/2008/09/30/using-ex
cel-20
07-file-formats-in-vfp-9-0/

HTH,
Tracy

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of
Gene Wirchenko
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 9:58 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Exporting Tables

Hello:

I am having to do a bunch of data export so have had a closer look at 
the commands.

 1) I am wondering if there is a difference between 
 COPY TO ... TYPE ...

and

 EXPORT TO ... TYPE ...

where the type is XLS or XL5.

 2) I know that memo columns are not exported so for tables with
them, I am creating a cursor with the memo columns replaced with
C(254) columns.  In a few cases, this will result in data being
clipped.  Short of programming my exports to use Office Automation, is
there a way around this?  (I mean that is not a kludge.  For example,
I could create multiple columns each with a piece of the memo, but
that would be horribly ugly.)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko



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Re: Exporting Tables

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey RK - I was thinking the same thing. Essentially - Gene - you could 
do the direct export of data - but, to a CSV file. Then, use lo-level 
file handling to add the memo field onto each line, and, as RK said - 
make sure to add in the CRLF.


-K-

On 10/30/2019 7:42 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:

I believe this goes back to dBase compatibility and these commands do the same 
thing.

It's not too hard to roll your own CSV/Tab delimited file in which case you can 
keep your memo fields mostly intact. You will need to convert embedded CRLF in 
order to keep one record per line.

--

rk

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From: ProfoxTech  On Behalf Of Tracy Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:08 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Exporting Tables

Gene,

I have not seen a difference in the output of the two commands.

You might want to consider looking at Craig Boyd's post about exporting and 
importing from Excel. It doesn't mention Memo fields that I could see.
https://www.sweetpotatosoftware.com/blog/index.php/2008/09/30/using-excel-20
07-file-formats-in-vfp-9-0/

HTH,
Tracy

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Gene 
Wirchenko
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 9:58 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Exporting Tables

Hello:

   I am having to do a bunch of data export so have had a closer look at 
the commands.

1) I am wondering if there is a difference between 
COPY TO ... TYPE ...

and

EXPORT TO ... TYPE ...

where the type is XLS or XL5.

2) I know that memo columns are not exported so for tables with them, I am 
creating a cursor with the memo columns replaced with
C(254) columns.  In a few cases, this will result in data being clipped.  Short 
of programming my exports to use Office Automation, is there a way around this? 
 (I mean that is not a kludge.  For example, I could create multiple columns 
each with a piece of the memo, but that would be horribly ugly.)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko



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Re: [NF] Windows File Manager Reborn

[Kurt at VR-FX]

I bet U could do that w/PowerShell - so you get that Smarter keystroke 
outside of VFP and at the OS level. Just sayin' - time to work smarter...


:-)

-K-


On 9/16/2019 3:21 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

At 15:38 2019-09-12, Mike  wrote:
Okay, that's cooler than my solution! WINDOWS+D could also be called 
the "of course I'm working hard" combo!


 Is there an "Of course, I am working smarter!" key?

 Maybe ?
  on key label "Ctrl-F" ? "Of course, I am working smarter!"

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko


 Kudos Tracy! Mike Tracy Pearson wrote: > Or if your in Windows 10 
use the Windows key + D to switch to another desktop when you step 
away. It looks like nothing is open and running. > 4 Finger swipe to 
switch between them. > > On September 12, 2019 6:27:11 PM EDT, Mike 
 wrote: >> Do your boss a favor...tell him about 
WINDOWS+M which will reduce (not >> close!) all open windows from the 
desktop. >> >> Mike >> >> >> Kurt at VR-FX wrote: >>> Here at work - 
and even on my personal PC - I may have anywhere >>> between 7 to 10 
Explorer windows open. I keep them open to current >>> directories of 
projects I am working on. Of course - it drives me >>> INSANE when my 
boss comes into the shop - gets onto  the co. work >>> laptop I 
mostly work on - and Shuts down ALL my Explorer Windows!!! >>> >>> 
RRrrr >>> >>> -K- >>> >>> On 9/6/2019 10:06 AM, Gene 
Wirchenko wrote: >>>> At 06:35 2019-09-06, Richard Kaye 
 wrote: >>>>> Yeah. But I still like them in 
the same container. Like the old >>>>> Norton product. >>>>  Â Â Â Â 
The advantage of having multiple windows is that you can have >>>> 
even more directory displays if you want.  I occasionally work with 
>>>> three directories. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Gene Wirchenko 

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Re: [NF] Windows File Manager Reborn

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey Alan - I now just tried that as well. That is really WILD! What an 
amazing list of Fun stuff to do. Including setting up an ODBC. And, just 
like that - we are back at Database systems talk instead of just playing 
games with the File Mangler! (Come on - who remembers using THAT 
nickname years ago???)


-K-

On 9/13/2019 8:20 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

We all know about God Mode in Win 10 right?

Create a folder on the desktop.

Name it:

  GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

Press Enter to confirm the name.

(It just presents lots of useful settings in one big list so you don't have to 
hunt through various control panels)



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Re: [NF] Windows File Manager Reborn

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Wow - cool - I just tried that. Never did that before! Thanks RK!

On 9/13/2019 6:09 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:

And if you love the mouse, the very right hand side of the Start bar has a 
little vertical button that minimizes all.

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On September 12, 2019 6:27:11 PM EDT, Mike  wrote:

Do your boss a favor...tell him about WINDOWS+M which will reduce
(not
close!) all open windows from the desktop.

Mike


Kurt at VR-FX wrote:

Here at work - and even on my personal PC - I may have anywhere
between 7 to 10 Explorer windows open. I keep them open to current
directories of projects I am working on. Of course - it drives me
INSANE when my boss comes into the shop - gets onto  the co. work
laptop I mostly work on - and Shuts down ALL my Explorer Windows!!!

RRrrr

-K-

On 9/6/2019 10:06 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

At 06:35 2019-09-06, Richard Kaye  wrote:

Yeah. But I still like them in the same container. Like the old
Norton product.

   The advantage of having multiple windows is that you can have
even more directory displays if you want.  I occasionally work with
three directories.

Sincerely,

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Re: [NF] Windows File Manager Reborn

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Nope - just tried that - didn't seem to do anything!


On 9/12/2019 3:40 PM, Tracy Pearson wrote:

It might be Shift + Windows key + D.
I'm not at my computer to be certain.

On September 12, 2019 6:38:41 PM EDT, Mike  wrote:

Okay, that's cooler than my solution!

WINDOWS+D could also be called the "of course I'm working hard" combo!

Kudos Tracy!

Mike

Tracy Pearson wrote:

Or if your in Windows 10 use the Windows key + D to switch to another

desktop when you step away. It looks like nothing is open and running.

4 Finger swipe to switch between them.

On September 12, 2019 6:27:11 PM EDT, Mike  wrote:

Do your boss a favor...tell him about WINDOWS+M which will reduce

(not

close!) all open windows from the desktop.

Mike


Kurt at VR-FX wrote:

Here at work - and even on my personal PC - I may have anywhere
between 7 to 10 Explorer windows open. I keep them open to current
directories of projects I am working on. Of course - it drives me
INSANE when my boss comes into the shop - gets onto  the co. work
laptop I mostly work on - and Shuts down ALL my Explorer Windows!!!

RRrrr

-K-

On 9/6/2019 10:06 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

At 06:35 2019-09-06, Richard Kaye  wrote:

Yeah. But I still like them in the same container. Like the old
Norton product.

   The advantage of having multiple windows is that you can

have

even more directory displays if you want.  I occasionally work

with

three directories.

Sincerely,

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Re: [NF] Windows File Manager Reborn

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Actually - I thought Windows Key+D is the one that minimized ALL Windows!

But - FYI - Mike, I know he does it to reduce resource usage on the 
computer - like him shutting down the 3D Slicing app windows - of which 
I will have a number open - when I am working on multiple projects...


-K-


On 9/12/2019 3:36 PM, Tracy Pearson wrote:

Or if your in Windows 10 use the Windows key + D to switch to another desktop 
when you step away. It looks like nothing is open and running.
4 Finger swipe to switch between them.

On September 12, 2019 6:27:11 PM EDT, Mike  wrote:

Do your boss a favor...tell him about WINDOWS+M which will reduce (not
close!) all open windows from the desktop.

Mike


Kurt at VR-FX wrote:

Here at work - and even on my personal PC - I may have anywhere
between 7 to 10 Explorer windows open. I keep them open to current
directories of projects I am working on. Of course - it drives me
INSANE when my boss comes into the shop - gets onto  the co. work
laptop I mostly work on - and Shuts down ALL my Explorer Windows!!!

RRrrr

-K-

On 9/6/2019 10:06 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

At 06:35 2019-09-06, Richard Kaye  wrote:

Yeah. But I still like them in the same container. Like the old
Norton product.

  The advantage of having multiple windows is that you can have
even more directory displays if you want.  I occasionally work with
three directories.

Sincerely,

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Re: [NF] Windows File Manager Reborn

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Here at work - and even on my personal PC - I may have anywhere between 
7 to 10 Explorer windows open. I keep them open to current directories 
of projects I am working on. Of course - it drives me INSANE when my 
boss comes into the shop - gets onto  the co. work laptop I mostly work 
on - and Shuts down ALL my Explorer Windows!!!


RRrrr

-K-

On 9/6/2019 10:06 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

At 06:35 2019-09-06, Richard Kaye  wrote:
Yeah. But I still like them in the same container. Like the old 
Norton product.


 The advantage of having multiple windows is that you can have 
even more directory displays if you want.  I occasionally work with 
three directories.


Sincerely,

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Re: [NF] Windows File Manager Reborn

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey MB - I bet Ur right! Although - AFAIK - Win8 was definitely MORE of 
a Disaster as an OS - that Win10. I heard MANY More complaints about it 
- especially here in our Little World created by the Almighty Ed!


:-)

On 9/6/2019 8:51 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

I'm guessing you liked Win8 even less  LOL

On 9/6/2019 11:22 AM, Jean Laeremans wrote:
After that disaster called win 10 I'm installing mint on most of my 
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Re: [NF] Windows File Manager Reborn

[Kurt at VR-FX]

OMG Dude - Norton was GREAT

I remember MANY Eons ago - I used to carry a special floppy disk with me 
whereever I Went (Ok - Pun intended - as Wendt is my last name). And, 
Norton - JUST the NC.exe program (Norton Commander) was on there - as 
well as a couple of other tools. Don't remember the others - but, NC was 
AWESOME! Without - I would get PISSED OFF if I had to deal with JUST the 
DOS Commands (even though - of course, I was pretty much an expert at 
those!).


-K-

On 9/6/2019 6:35 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Yeah. But I still like them in the same container. Like the old Norton product.

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Wow is that ugly. But on the good side I can open side by side windows
in the same container; a feature sadly missing in File Exploder...

Windows Key with E
Windows Key with Left Arrow
Windows Key with E
Windows Key with Right Arrow

:)

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Re: [NF] Windows File Manager Reborn

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey Alan - I just tried that - SWEETT!

:-)

-K-

On 9/6/2019 6:33 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

Wow is that ugly. But on the good side I can open side by side windows
in the same container; a feature sadly missing in File Exploder...

Windows Key with E
Windows Key with Left Arrow
Windows Key with E
Windows Key with Right Arrow

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Re: Outlook Redemption tool

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Yeah!

+1

Nice one Ted! Touche!

-K-

On 9/4/2019 12:22 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:

Roflmao...

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Error 0xOldFart: The memory could not be "read"


On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:15 PM Kurt @ Gmail  wrote:


Awesome - I'm glad Gianni's suggestion worked. I am quite sure I also
used that .Display() option before. But, again - it was SO Many Years
ago - and, at my advanced age - Memory Leakage is quite
common... :-)

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Re: Outlook Redemption tool

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Cool! Yeah - my bad guess - but, hopefully - Gianni is RIGHT!!!

Go for it Mike!

-K-

On 9/3/2019 6:39 PM, Gianni Turri wrote:

Use .Display() instead of .Save()

Gianni

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 19:41:02 -0400, "MB Software Solutions, LLC" 
 wrote:

No, there's no visible property.  I had checked that prior to posting.

On 9/3/2019 7:14 PM, Kurt at VR-FX wrote:

Frank - I think what you suggested would Send it. He simply wants it
on the screen to view. I think its possible that the window is Hidden
some how. Must be a way to place it on top.

I've done this kinda stuff in the past - using the same book at
examples in it. But, I'm confounded at the "Explorer" references in
your code Mike!

FYI - I believe there is a ".Visible" option that you must use
somewhere in your code - and THAT may make the email visible to use
for viewing before sending! Just a WAG here...

Again - its been YEARS since I did the Office Auto. stuff!

-K-

On 9/3/2019 2:41 PM, Frank Cazabon wrote:

Off the top of my head (and is been a long time since I did this) but
try passing true to the send (.t.) I think that might display the
email ready to be sent.

On 3 September 2019 16:53:17 GMT-04:00, "MB Software Solutions, LLC"
 wrote:

I have a need to use MAPI (yes, I know Ted et al: MAPI bad, SMTP
good...but this customer wants to see a system generated email in
Outlook, review it including file attachment, and then press Send
manually).  I thought I was going to have to use the Redemption tool to

get around the security issues with Outlook but I'm stunned that this
simple code worked on my laptop which has Outlook 2016 on it:

LOCAL oOutlook as Outlook.Application, oNamespace as Outlook.NameSpace,

oMailItem as Outlook.MailItem
oOutlook = CREATEOBJECT("Outlook.Application")
#DEFINE olFolderDisplayNormal 0
#DEFINE olMailItem 0
oNameSpace = oOutlook.GetNameSpace("MAPI")
oExplorer =
oOutlook.Explorers.Add(oNameSpace.Folders[1],olFolderDisplayNormal)
oMailItem = oOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
WITH oMailItem
  .Subject = 'Testing email send'
  .Body = "Thank you for your participation in the test at " +
TTOC(DATETIME())
  .Recipients.Add("mbabc...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com")
  .Attachments.Add("C:\crap\MyFile.pdf")
  .Save()
  *.Send() && commented out for now as I don't want to
auto-send...user wants to review and manually Send
ENDWITH

oExplorer.Activate()


This is basically using the code from the Microsoft Office Automation
with Visual FoxPro book from HWP.  (Thanks for the cue, Ted!).  Now the

comment and question:

1. I'm amazed that Outlook 2016 let me do this without any
     warning/blocking.  I was thinking I'd have to use the Outlook
     Redemption add-in tool (http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/)
2. The sample code above saves it to the Drafts folder but when I open
     OL via the last line (oExplorer.Activate()), I was hoping to have
     the email front and center so the user could just press the Send
     button after reviewing it manually on screen.  Any ideas how to
     achieve that?

tia,
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Re: Outlook Redemption tool

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Frank - I think what you suggested would Send it. He simply wants it on 
the screen to view. I think its possible that the window is Hidden some 
how. Must be a way to place it on top.


I've done this kinda stuff in the past - using the same book at examples 
in it. But, I'm confounded at the "Explorer" references in your code Mike!


FYI - I believe there is a ".Visible" option that you must use somewhere 
in your code - and THAT may make the email visible to use for viewing 
before sending! Just a WAG here...


Again - its been YEARS since I did the Office Auto. stuff!

-K-

On 9/3/2019 2:41 PM, Frank Cazabon wrote:

Off the top of my head (and is been a long time since I did this) but try 
passing true to the send (.t.) I think that might display the email ready to be 
sent.

On 3 September 2019 16:53:17 GMT-04:00, "MB Software Solutions, LLC" 
 wrote:

I have a need to use MAPI (yes, I know Ted et al: MAPI bad, SMTP
good...but this customer wants to see a system generated email in
Outlook, review it including file attachment, and then press Send
manually).  I thought I was going to have to use the Redemption tool to

get around the security issues with Outlook but I'm stunned that this
simple code worked on my laptop which has Outlook 2016 on it:

LOCAL oOutlook as Outlook.Application, oNamespace as Outlook.NameSpace,

oMailItem as Outlook.MailItem
oOutlook = CREATEOBJECT("Outlook.Application")
#DEFINE olFolderDisplayNormal 0
#DEFINE olMailItem 0
oNameSpace = oOutlook.GetNameSpace("MAPI")
oExplorer =
oOutlook.Explorers.Add(oNameSpace.Folders[1],olFolderDisplayNormal)
oMailItem = oOutlook.CreateItem(olMailItem)
WITH oMailItem
     .Subject = 'Testing email send'
     .Body = "Thank you for your participation in the test at " +
TTOC(DATETIME())
     .Recipients.Add("mbabc...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com")
     .Attachments.Add("C:\crap\MyFile.pdf")
     .Save()
     *.Send() && commented out for now as I don't want to
auto-send...user wants to review and manually Send
ENDWITH

oExplorer.Activate()


This is basically using the code from the Microsoft Office Automation
with Visual FoxPro book from HWP.  (Thanks for the cue, Ted!).  Now the

comment and question:

1. I'm amazed that Outlook 2016 let me do this without any
warning/blocking.  I was thinking I'd have to use the Outlook
Redemption add-in tool (http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/)
2. The sample code above saves it to the Drafts folder but when I open
OL via the last line (oExplorer.Activate()), I was hoping to have
the email front and center so the user could just press the Send
button after reviewing it manually on screen.  Any ideas how to
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tia,
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Re: Happy Anniversary!

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Nice one Malcolm! I whole-heartedly agree with you. I have enjoyed the 
company of the folks here - and in the times where I am working alone - 
or surrounded by those that speak another language (at work - and they 
don't bother to chat with me) - getting to chat on here can be quite 
comforting! Including all the Dry humor - of which many times I had to 
hold myself back from laughing out loud - and making a fool of myself at 
work!


-K-

On 8/19/2019 9:02 AM, Malcolm Greene wrote:

I came for the language and stayed for the community.

To paraphrase the Who: FoxPro is dead, long live Profox!

Thank you Ed!

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Re: [NF] Seeking well-equipped laptop recommendations

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Cool. Yeah - I know about the Transformer series. Hell, even at the $149 
price listed - I'd love to pick 1 up if I had the bucks!


-K-

On 8/15/2019 3:52 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 6:17 PM Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:


At $129 for the tablets. Were Chromebooks? Or like Windows Surface
tablet knockoffs? Sounds like a cool and inexpensive solution for that
project!


ASUS T100 lap-tap-tops, refurbished, in lots of 10. It was a very
inexpensive way to take WIndows on the road.

Like this:
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At $129 for the tablets. Were Chromebooks? Or like Windows Surface 
tablet knockoffs? Sounds like a cool and inexpensive solution for that 
project!


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On 8/15/2019 2:44 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

One of the coolest FoxPro apps I ever shipped worked on 2 Gb 10"
tablet-network hybrids with 32Gb SSD storage. Taken into the field for data
gathering and docked in the home office to upload data to the mothership
and gather tomorrow's assignments. If they dropped one out of their truck
onto the driveway, we had to spend another $129 to replace it.


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Re: Remote FoxPro Work???

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Mike - you got THAT Right! I used to LOVE Turbo Pascal! I was doing it 
back in college - when another student got a cracked copy of it - and it 
BLEW ME AWAY! I think it was the 1st True Dev Env - where you could 
code, compile, link, run - and then Back to coding! It was GREAT!!!


-K-

On 7/3/2019 6:19 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

On 7/3/2019 6:59 PM, M Jarvis wrote:

I'm writing in Delphi (Turbo Pascal) which I had never heard of before I
started working here.



That's still around?  I thought that had closed down YEARS ago (dying 
even before FoxPro officially).  I have to say that Turbo Pascal was 
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[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey there Lew - I saw your name - before I read your reply - and HELL 
YEAH I remember meeting up with you! Its really great to hear from you - 
and thank you so much for your kind words. Have fun up in MA!


-K-


On 7/2/2019 9:26 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote:

Hey Kurt - you and I met once or twice in NYC. I'm fully retired now,
living in MA & still lurking on the list. Haven't programmed in years.

Good luck & hang in there.

-Lew

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 5:56 PM Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:


Yeah - I know - these days - that's a pretty crazy request.

I know some of you have followed me a bit - and know I lost my job in
Nov 2017 - where I was working down on Wall Street. Then, moved to Cali
to look for a job - could NOT find work in San Francisco. Even applied
to UCLA for a programming job - did 2 rounds of interviews - and the
people there saying they were impressed with me - during both
interviews. Only to NOT get the job. Then, finally, getting a "job" down
here in San Diego. Actually getting to do 3D Design work for clients, as
well as running 3D Printing jobs. But, sadly - its SUCKING! Its not a
regular job - not salaried - not even part time pay. Its contractor pay
- per job - and it does NOT pay well enough. Been here for over 9 weeks
now - and its again put me in a BAD financial situation...

So - as a total "shot in the dark" - I figured I would post here again
and see if there is any possible remote FoxPro work.

And, I know - almost no companies these days are still working w/VFP.
And, sure, I know it would be better to work in some other newer more
modern tech. - but, I don't have any  of those tools in my tool belt. So
- all I really have is VFP & MS SQL.

Anyway - just figured I would take a stab and post here...

Regards   -Kurt



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Re: Remote FoxPro Work???

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey Paul - thank you VERY Much for your kind words!!! YEah - its a VERY 
Difficult time for me. Probably one of the most difficult times in my 
life...


And - I wholeheartedly agree - developing apps w/VFP beats other tools - 
since its truly RAD! And, I don't mean it in the COOL Way kids say it!!!


:-)

-K-


On 7/2/2019 7:52 PM, Paul H. Tarver wrote:

+1

I am still developing and supporting VFP6.0 and VFP9.0 apps daily for my
very narrow market. After having done extensive testing on multiple
development tools over the last six years, I can definitively say there is
nothing I can't do for my clients in my particular market and do it faster
with shorter development times.

Just look at the issue today that Ricardo and Ted helped to solve for me
today. Even when I cannot describe what I'm trying to do to Google or Bing,
I describe it here and lo and behold, Ricardo tosses out the perfect command
that has been there all along but I've never needed it before.

I guess what I'm saying is don't give up on finding the perfect job to fit
your knowledge. You may have to settle in the short term, but don't quit
looking! I'm sure that everyone on this group will keep you top of mind and
let you know if we hear of anything!

Paul H. Tarver


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Kurt,
I donot agree with you on this.
When I say 'a modern Win10 appilication' I just mean an application built
with VFP9SP2 with some modern UI - like FoxyRibbon, FoxyPreviewer etc. This
is for the endusers already an immazing improvement when you have worked
with a FoX2.2 built application.
Sure if you can manage to learn quickly, and realy it is not so difficult,
to manage FoxInTheCLoud you can also built a more modern app which runs on
your Smartphone. But tht should be step 2.
Think about it,
Koen

Op di 2 jul. 2019 om 21:20 schreef Kurt at VR-FX :


Hey Koen - I TOTALLY Appreciate the input. Problem is - I can't convert
a VFP app to a Modern Win10 app - since, I don't have any experience
w/tech that would allow me to do exactly that. Sure - I know FoxInCloud
has a kind of conversion utility to do something like that, but, alas -
I don't have any experience with that either!

Since we're on the topic...

I have a buddy of mine who has been DEMANDING that I get onto the
SalesForce bandwagon. Seems there is a HUGE Demand out there it. And,
supposedly - its Stupid easy to learn. Am curious if any folks here work
with it!?!?

Of course, might be best NOT to bury that Q in this thread - and post it
as a New thread. Hmmm...

-K-

On 7/2/2019 4:47 PM, Koen Piller wrote:

Kurt
My advise: throw a website together in which you advertise your skills.
Donot prompte Foxpro but do promote you can convert old fashioned DOS

apps

(VFP 2.2, Clipper and the like ) to a Win10 app.
Lots lots of these old programs still running around seeking for a

modern

upgrade
Koen

Op di 2 jul. 2019 om 17:56 schreef Kurt at VR-FX 


Yeah - I know - these days - that's a pretty crazy request.

I know some of you have followed me a bit - and know I lost my job in
Nov 2017 - where I was working down on Wall Street. Then, moved to Cali
to look for a job - could NOT find work in San Francisco. Even applied
to UCLA for a programming job - did 2 rounds of interviews - and the
people there saying they were impressed with me - during both
interviews. Only to NOT get the job. Then, finally, getting a "job"

down

here in San Diego. Actually getting to do 3D Design work for clients,

as

well as running 3D Printing jobs. But, sadly - its SUCKING! Its not a
regular job - not salaried - not even part time pay. Its contractor pay
- per job - and it does NOT pay well enough. Been here for over 9 weeks
now - and its again put me in a BAD financial situation...

So - as a total "shot in the dark" - I figured I would post here again
and see if there is any possible remote FoxPro work.

And, I know - almost no companies these days are still working w/VFP.
And, sure, I know it would be better to work in some other newer more
modern tech. - but, I don't have any  of those tools in my tool belt.

So

- all I really have is VFP & MS SQL.

Anyway - just figured I would take a stab and post here...

Regards   -Kurt



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Re: Remote FoxPro Work???

[Kurt at VR-FX]

U mean - Convert an old FP for DOS app to VFP? Cause - Hell - I would 
LOVE to do THAT! I would be truly KILLER at that!!! But - alas - trying 
to find those kinda people may be a bit tough...


-K-

On 7/2/2019 6:40 PM, Koen Piller wrote:

Kurt,
I donot agree with you on this.
When I say 'a modern Win10 appilication' I just mean an application built
with VFP9SP2 with some modern UI - like FoxyRibbon, FoxyPreviewer etc. This
is for the endusers already an immazing improvement when you have worked
with a FoX2.2 built application.
Sure if you can manage to learn quickly, and realy it is not so difficult,
to manage FoxInTheCLoud you can also built a more modern app which runs on
your Smartphone. But tht should be step 2.
Think about it,
Koen

Op di 2 jul. 2019 om 21:20 schreef Kurt at VR-FX :


Hey Koen - I TOTALLY Appreciate the input. Problem is - I can't convert
a VFP app to a Modern Win10 app - since, I don't have any experience
w/tech that would allow me to do exactly that. Sure - I know FoxInCloud
has a kind of conversion utility to do something like that, but, alas -
I don't have any experience with that either!

Since we're on the topic...

I have a buddy of mine who has been DEMANDING that I get onto the
SalesForce bandwagon. Seems there is a HUGE Demand out there it. And,
supposedly - its Stupid easy to learn. Am curious if any folks here work
with it!?!?

Of course, might be best NOT to bury that Q in this thread - and post it
as a New thread. Hmmm...

-K-

On 7/2/2019 4:47 PM, Koen Piller wrote:

Kurt
My advise: throw a website together in which you advertise your skills.
Donot prompte Foxpro but do promote you can convert old fashioned DOS

apps

(VFP 2.2, Clipper and the like ) to a Win10 app.
Lots lots of these old programs still running around seeking for a modern
upgrade
Koen

Op di 2 jul. 2019 om 17:56 schreef Kurt at VR-FX 


Yeah - I know - these days - that's a pretty crazy request.

I know some of you have followed me a bit - and know I lost my job in
Nov 2017 - where I was working down on Wall Street. Then, moved to Cali
to look for a job - could NOT find work in San Francisco. Even applied
to UCLA for a programming job - did 2 rounds of interviews - and the
people there saying they were impressed with me - during both
interviews. Only to NOT get the job. Then, finally, getting a "job" down
here in San Diego. Actually getting to do 3D Design work for clients, as
well as running 3D Printing jobs. But, sadly - its SUCKING! Its not a
regular job - not salaried - not even part time pay. Its contractor pay
- per job - and it does NOT pay well enough. Been here for over 9 weeks
now - and its again put me in a BAD financial situation...

So - as a total "shot in the dark" - I figured I would post here again
and see if there is any possible remote FoxPro work.

And, I know - almost no companies these days are still working w/VFP.
And, sure, I know it would be better to work in some other newer more
modern tech. - but, I don't have any  of those tools in my tool belt. So
- all I really have is VFP & MS SQL.

Anyway - just figured I would take a stab and post here...

Regards   -Kurt



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[NF] Work in SalesForce?

[Kurt at VR-FX]

I'm curious.

I have a buddy of mine who has been DEMANDING that I get onto the 
SalesForce bandwagon. Seems there is a HUGE Demand out there it. And, 
supposedly - its Stupid easy to learn.


So - I Am VERY curious to know. IS there any folks here who work with it!?!?

-K-


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Re: Remote FoxPro Work???

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey Koen - I TOTALLY Appreciate the input. Problem is - I can't convert 
a VFP app to a Modern Win10 app - since, I don't have any experience 
w/tech that would allow me to do exactly that. Sure - I know FoxInCloud 
has a kind of conversion utility to do something like that, but, alas - 
I don't have any experience with that either!


Since we're on the topic...

I have a buddy of mine who has been DEMANDING that I get onto the 
SalesForce bandwagon. Seems there is a HUGE Demand out there it. And, 
supposedly - its Stupid easy to learn. Am curious if any folks here work 
with it!?!?


Of course, might be best NOT to bury that Q in this thread - and post it 
as a New thread. Hmmm...


-K-

On 7/2/2019 4:47 PM, Koen Piller wrote:

Kurt
My advise: throw a website together in which you advertise your skills.
Donot prompte Foxpro but do promote you can convert old fashioned DOS apps
(VFP 2.2, Clipper and the like ) to a Win10 app.
Lots lots of these old programs still running around seeking for a modern
upgrade
Koen

Op di 2 jul. 2019 om 17:56 schreef Kurt at VR-FX 


Yeah - I know - these days - that's a pretty crazy request.

I know some of you have followed me a bit - and know I lost my job in
Nov 2017 - where I was working down on Wall Street. Then, moved to Cali
to look for a job - could NOT find work in San Francisco. Even applied
to UCLA for a programming job - did 2 rounds of interviews - and the
people there saying they were impressed with me - during both
interviews. Only to NOT get the job. Then, finally, getting a "job" down
here in San Diego. Actually getting to do 3D Design work for clients, as
well as running 3D Printing jobs. But, sadly - its SUCKING! Its not a
regular job - not salaried - not even part time pay. Its contractor pay
- per job - and it does NOT pay well enough. Been here for over 9 weeks
now - and its again put me in a BAD financial situation...

So - as a total "shot in the dark" - I figured I would post here again
and see if there is any possible remote FoxPro work.

And, I know - almost no companies these days are still working w/VFP.
And, sure, I know it would be better to work in some other newer more
modern tech. - but, I don't have any  of those tools in my tool belt. So
- all I really have is VFP & MS SQL.

Anyway - just figured I would take a stab and post here...

Regards   -Kurt



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Remote FoxPro Work???

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Yeah - I know - these days - that's a pretty crazy request.

I know some of you have followed me a bit - and know I lost my job in 
Nov 2017 - where I was working down on Wall Street. Then, moved to Cali 
to look for a job - could NOT find work in San Francisco. Even applied 
to UCLA for a programming job - did 2 rounds of interviews - and the 
people there saying they were impressed with me - during both 
interviews. Only to NOT get the job. Then, finally, getting a "job" down 
here in San Diego. Actually getting to do 3D Design work for clients, as 
well as running 3D Printing jobs. But, sadly - its SUCKING! Its not a 
regular job - not salaried - not even part time pay. Its contractor pay 
- per job - and it does NOT pay well enough. Been here for over 9 weeks 
now - and its again put me in a BAD financial situation...


So - as a total "shot in the dark" - I figured I would post here again 
and see if there is any possible remote FoxPro work.


And, I know - almost no companies these days are still working w/VFP. 
And, sure, I know it would be better to work in some other newer more 
modern tech. - but, I don't have any  of those tools in my tool belt. So 
- all I really have is VFP & MS SQL.


Anyway - just figured I would take a stab and post here...

Regards   -Kurt


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Re: ProFox List Statistics for May 2019

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Wasn't there a small earthquake here in CA just recently? Maybe it was 
centered around the location where Ed hosts our forum!!!


Ha ha...

On 6/2/2019 3:47 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 2:09 AM Gene Wirchenko  wrote:


At 22:55 2019-06-01, List Administrator Account  wrote:

==
ProFox List Statistics
May 2019

[snip]


Top 20 Contributors by Number of Non-OT Posts

|Posts   Contributor   |

   1.   17MB Software Solutions, LLC
   2.   15Gene Wirchenko

   Did anyone else notice the universe lurching?

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Re: ProFox Messages are not showing up

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Thanks Ed for ALL that you do! Thanks for restoring it for me as well!!!

Have fun at the conference.

-K-

On 5/4/2019 10:11 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:

On May 3, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Ed Leafe  wrote:

I got about 70 “Bounce Action Notification” messages this morning, and it looks 
like they are all from gmail accounts. So my question to gmail users: have you 
been getting posts regularly?

I will unblock those addresses as soon as I have time. I’m currently at a 
conference[0].

I have restored those addresses that were bounced. Let’s hope that that takes 
care of things.


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Re: FoxPro Job

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Gene - I totally agree with you. Its NOT funny - its VERY Problematic. 
But, that's besides a MUCH Deeper issues of Big Corp doing Age 
Discrimination Which affected me Greatly in my search for work for 
1.5 years! Ugh...


-K-

On 5/1/2019 10:38 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

At 11:17 2019-04-29, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:
That's a pretty funny one Gene. Especially as it relates to my 
scenario here in Cali. Turns out - when I got here - my sister 
insisted that NOBODY Goes to an interview in Cali w/a Suit on! As 
such, when out here - I have not used a suit at all... -K-


 I would not call it funny.  I am looking for work right now. 
Apart from a bit of work from a long time client, I am idle.  It is 
very frustrating dealing with HR when one has no idea what their 
standards are or how well one does.  Arbitrary rules are evil.


 The prospective employee does not get hired.  The 
people/department needing the help can not get their projects done as 
easily or on-time.  Not a nice situation.


[snip]

Sincerely,

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Re: [NF] Looking for a font with character resembling a brush, highlighter or marker pen

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Yes Tracy - I believe that is Exactly what Paul is looking for!

I am on a forum of 3D Printing people. As such, some are designers - and 
maybe someone there may know of a source for a proper font that you seek 
- Paul. But, I suspect you have - but, have you done searches on Google 
for the font?


-K-

On 5/1/2019 8:44 AM, Tracy Pearson wrote:

Or do you mean you are asking for a font that the abc's look like that have
been written by a marker pen or brush?

Tracy


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Re: [ADMIN] Updated Website

[Kurt at VR-FX]

+1!

I just checked out a link to a posting - like Ted's about the Footer - 
and the new site looks Really Sweet! Kudos Ed!!!


-K-

On 4/29/2019 10:37 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:

On Apr 29, 2019, at 3:06 AM, Alan Bourke  wrote:

Looks good, big step up from the old one.

Thanks. Another big reason was that the old site wasn’t made in the mobile 
device world. This new CSS framework handles a lot of that automatically.

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Re: FoxPro Job

[Kurt at VR-FX]

That's a pretty funny one Gene. Especially as it relates to my scenario 
here in Cali. Turns out - when I got here - my sister insisted that 
NOBODY Goes to an interview in Cali w/a Suit on! As such, when out here 
- I have not used a suit at all...


-K-

On 4/29/2019 10:06 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
 I remember one post in alt.folklore.computers some years ago 
where the poster mentioned his company had trouble with hiring.  It 
seems that there was one group of people who expected an applicant to 
be wearing a suit and another group that did not trust any applicant 
wearing a suit.


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Re: [NF] Request About Job Listings

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Gene - most times - folks post about a job - and they only pass on the 
request sent to them by a HeadHunter. So - they generally don't have 
more info about the jobs - like Visa req's.


Just sayin'...

-K-

On 4/25/2019 10:04 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

Hello:

 For those of you who post a job listing, please include where it 
is.  There are issues about visas for some of us.  For example, I am 
in Canada and would require a visa to work in the U.S.A. Many 
employers would not want the trouble.


Sincerely,

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Re: FoxPro Job

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey Ted - yeah, I hear ya. Turns out - I was NOT the Only one in this 
forum to have applied to the UCLA FoxPro job - and we BOTH did Two 
rounds of interviews - and we BOTH Did well in those interviews - yet 
Neither of us were considered for the job! Which I find rather shocking. 
Since I KNOW there are so VERY Few active VFP dev's these days! Oh well 
- that's how the cookie crumbles...


-K-

On 4/25/2019 6:17 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:39 PM Kurt Wendt  wrote:


I bet there are going to be a ton of people replying to you and back to
this guy. I suspect even by this very moment somebody already beat me to it


The two biggest complaints I heard back in the day when I was soliciting
Fox work was "We couldn't find anybody!" or "We couldn't find anybody
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Re: A FoxPro Transition @ UCLA...

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comfortable with it, toss it out. If you know of 
something else that interests you, add it. At the end of the day this 
is about matching you to a job. The key point is if you feel you would 
be willing to dip into other technologies/platforms (albeit, generally 
inferior ones), then you want to be clear you have that ability. And 
that will require a little research - hopefully the above gives you 
some starting points.


If I recall, this interview may be more of a "code test" regarding 
VFP. If so, that's great, you have no worries. Then, if they start 
talking about the future and what path you would take, just be 
confident in what you are proposing, and know WHY you are proposing 
it. They need help, you can readily provide it.


I'll end by briefly talking about 2 things: 1) I have NEVER seen a 
"good" rewrite of any of my VFP applications (I've seen it attempted 5 
times). 3 of the 5 ended with a loss of about 50% functionality - 
about 400% higher maintenance costs (aka licensing, personnel), and 
limited (or expensive) expandability - but hey, it runs in a web 
browser (the client was very upset to say the least). In another, a 
gov agency was providing software to help companies "file" data -  
the gov decided it did not want to distribute VFP apps and so tried to 
convert to a web-based .Net thing. After about 18 months (I think, I 
didn't stay there until the end), they gave up the conversion effort 
and decided to just publish a "data format" - so the companies had to 
go pay for their own software development to create the filing (I 
thought about tapping into that, but the insanity at the gov 
organization and the filing companies really put me off - and I had 
other cool things sitting in front of me ). For the last one, the 
conversion went on for about 2 years I think (not sure I wasn't 
there), but apparently they gave up on that too. It turns out they are 
still using my VFP application (actually several of them on the same 
"specialized framework"). This is 20 YEARS LATER! ROFLMAO - thinking 
back to some of the "discussions" I had with MS .Net certified 
experts, how they told me VFP is not a viable long-term platform, it 
could not support complicated business needs hahahahaha... all the 
apps those guys worked on... ALL OF THEM - have gone the way of the 
dodo bird - and those VFP apps are chugging along.


Sorry... not brief at all... but number 2) is, guess what Rich 
Client Applications have won the war. Of course, most "web vendors" 
are trying to hide that fact. But if you look at the "advancements" in 
Javascript - they are all about client-side processing. They recently 
put things in like "service workers", and "indexed database" 
(different term? - can't remember), local cache management... Oh... 
my god. I recently finished a "nanodegree" in front-end web 
development and when we got to those "advancements" I really nearly 
fell out of my chair laughing. All these things ALL OF THEM I did in 
VFP like 20 years ago (server application - distributed VFP apps - 
with West-wind as the 'linking' piece). And the claims about web 
applications being easier to deploy and easier to maintain oops... 
I really almost fell out of my chair laughing again. In that course, I 
spent maybe 40% of the time "debugging" the freakin' framework they 
wanted us to use (Angular, Vue, React, Ember, Jasmine, blah blah 
blah). But to be fair, some of those things are getting close to the 
stability and reliability that VFP has. I heard recently (on this 
list?) that maybe Python and other languages are going to be 
"natively" available in browsers soon. I sure hope so. Javascript is 
interesting, but it is not object-oriented, and it's been 
"functionally patching" itself like crazy and thus has a lot of quirks 
that get in the way (and create maintenance nightmares).


Ok, those last 2 paragraphs were a digression. I was trying to give 
you confidence that you can indeed pick up any of the advanced--- 
oops, threw up in my mouth a little... So let me say, pick up any of 
the "newer" platforms. For me, the best way to learn them is not 
necessarily "courses" (nor "certification programs"), but to build 
something "real" with them. If you land this job, you can help the 
employer in the near-term and then learn those other platforms and 
help them pick the "right" one (instead of the best-marketed one). I 
would also say, do not make the interview about a defense of VFP - 
instead, make it about you being a resource that can reliably meet 
their near-term needs as well as their long-term needs.


Wishing you the best of luck.

HTH,
-Charlie


On 3/20/2019 7:28 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 1:45 AM Kurt at VR-FX  wrote


  The second interview is coming up, it's sup

Re: A FoxPro Transition @ UCLA...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Oops! Sorry about that...

On 3/20/2019 8:43 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote:

> Fox-in-Cloud

no dash, plain single word "FoxInCloud"… makes Google searches easier!

;-)

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Re: A FoxPro Transition @ UCLA...

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NICE!


:-)

On 3/20/2019 7:56 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 10:50 AM Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:



WOW - am going to reply again momentarily - after I get some BFast!


I'm pretty sure FoxPro is up to JFast!

(Inside joke for the old, old, OLD Foxers!)




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Re: A FoxPro Transition @ UCLA...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Ted - I must say - your answer is Brilliant! Although it may have seemed 
obvious to you - it wasn't obvious to me. However, I was feeling a LOT 
of pressure to give them the kind of response they requested - and now I 
know WHY - since I was given a nearly impossible task. As you stated, 
one can NOT truly make a reasonable suggestion without thorough research 
and review!


Thank you Ed & Stephen for your corroboration - I really appreciate it.

On 3/20/2019 4:28 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 1:45 AM Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:


  The second interview is coming up, it's supposed
to be this Thursday, but I might try to postpone until Friday. Too much
stuff going on in my life lately, including doing 2 different part time
jobs and an extended relative who passed away recently,


I'm sympathetic to your situation, but you don't want the wrong interviewer
hearing that you're too busy babysitting parrots to interview for a job.
That's harsh, and you might not want to work for such a jerk, but you don't
want to raise red flags, or even questions, during the interview process...


Actually - during the interv iew process they did ask me what I am 
currently doing. And, they actually got a kick out of the bird hotel & 
my teaching work. But, truth is - its the family death that's also 
having a impact. And, the boss suggested postponing the interview - and 
I originally said no.




OTOH, you don't want to work for jerks, either. OTOOH, they're paying
peanuts and desperate for Fox expertise. Your call,


Your Jerks comment is funny - and I can understand - since the pay is so 
low. But, I'm not going to say anymore on that topic.


Am rushing to make these replies - then shower & get the hell out of 
here - since I have a long drive to go between SF & SD - and a deadline 
about 7pm!


-K-







It looks like UCLA really wants to move away from Foxpro, as they know
it's a dead language. But, they want to move to something similar to
VFP.


And that's why they are hiring you. I you have an answer during the
interview, you'd be jumping the gun.  "If all you have is a hammer,
everything looks like a nail." Your job should be to learn the app, learn
what it interfaces with, what it gets for inputs and what it needs to
output (PDF, JPEG, XML, JSON, CSV, EBCDIC?) and determine the optimal tool
to do all of that and hopefully minimize the transition. It may be really
easy to migrate the app to FoxXYZ, but if that can't do what they need,
that's useless.

A 30 year's experienced app developer may have some real legacy stuff in
their app, and conversion can be a large undertaking. Along with a parallel
investigation of what the client needs the app to do is an audit of what
the application already does, Whil's Developer Guide went into this in some
detail, and I presented a series of lectures with checklists and software
for an initial audit.

So, the answer to the question on what they should do is to ask what they
want, and what they have? How many lines of code? How many tables? How many
fields? Where's the ERD? How many output documents, reports? Where does the
data come from? Where does it go? What's the IT infrastructure? What kind
of data servers do they support? What kind of maintenance windows are
allowed? Where are the users? How do they access the data: PCs, laptops on
the road, tablets, phones, embedded in other services? How responsive does
the app have to be? What happens in case of failure? What's the backup
strategy? What's the disaster recovery plan?

I suspect its also because the 1 and only programmer there, who's

been there for like 30 years and may be retiring soon - doesn't want to
learn something Totally new. And, also wants to minimize the transition!


It's likely your job is to learn everything the old Obi-Wan knows and
become the new master. Realistically (and perhaps this isn't an interview
topic), you'll keep the old app running for some time as you transition the
data model, the business model, the services model and the interface(s) to
the new platform.



They are asking me to propose what I think is the best option.


When a consultant tells me they have the solution to all of my business
needs by replacing a 30-year-old system with whatever they are selling, on
the first meeting, sight-unseen, I would be rightfully skeptical.

The right answer is that they need to let you learn the app and research
the right solution. If you can convince them you are knowlegeable about
what is available, and what the issues are that need to be addressed in a
migration, then they should hire you to do your job.

There are a lot of good resources out there, like this list, the FoxWiki,
books, whitepapers, but you will need to do the footwork. See if you can
convince them to pay you to do that.



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Re: A FoxPro Transition @ UCLA...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Yes - indeed he does - its one of the reasons that I kinda directed my 
questions to him and pointed out his name. And, as I knew he would - he 
was one of the first to respond!


Thank you Vince & Thierry for your replies. As for the other replies - 
WOW - am going to reply again momentarily - after I get some BFast!


-K-

On 3/20/2019 7:30 AM, Vince Teachout wrote:

On 03/20/19 1:45 AM, Kurt at VR-FX wrote:
I know that Fox-in-Cloud even offers a type of Conversion Assistant - 
which looks really Great! But, once its converted and running in the 
cloud - I'm assuming that making updates to the system actually means 
programming in something that is not actually FoxPro - as I think its 
Javascript & HTML. But, I could be wrong - and am sure Thierry will 
correct me.



I don't actually use Fox-in-Cloud, but doesn't the developer often 
post in here?  Or you could ask them directly on their website?


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A FoxPro Transition @ UCLA...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hello there folks,
I'm looking to get some feedback from the hive mind of this group. And, 
I will admit, I'm doing this kind of last minute. Too many things going 
on lately, and I have not had a chance to do my true due diligence! Such 
as thorough research via prior postings in this forum.


So as some of you may already know, I had a first interview for a 
programmer job at UCLA. The second interview is coming up, it's supposed 
to be this Thursday, but I might try to postpone until Friday. Too much 
stuff going on in my life lately, including doing 2 different part time 
jobs and an extended relative who passed away recently, that's the 
reason I'm going down to LA for an in-person interview, since the last 
interview I did via Skype.
It looks like UCLA really wants to move away from Foxpro, as they know 
it's a dead language. But, they want to move to something similar to 
VFP. I suspect its also because the 1 and only programmer there, who's 
been there for like 30 years and may be retiring soon - doesn't want to 
learn something Totally new. And, also wants to minimize the transition! 
They are asking me to propose what I think is the best option. They have 
mentioned several options such as Fox-in-Cloud, the Alpha software, and 
even Servoy. They did not bring up things like Lianja, XoJo, or X# the 
open source X-base language.


I know that Fox-in-Cloud even offers a type of Conversion Assistant - 
which looks really Great! But, once its converted and running in the 
cloud - I'm assuming that making updates to the system actually means 
programming in something that is not actually FoxPro - as I think its 
Javascript & HTML. But, I could be wrong - and am sure Thierry will 
correct me.


There was also some recent discussion on X# which looked like a 
potentially great option. But, I heard that via the last posting - the 
FoxPro version of the code wasn't really ready yet!


They also told me that they have already been working with Alpha SW - 
and in discussions with them for several months. Which makes me think 
they are already leaning towards Alpha. A quick review of old postings 
in this forum did not show a lot of discussion or users of Alpha. It 
would really be great to hear from some Alpha users!


Anyway - any and all input would be greatly appreciated. I've seen 
Numerous discussions about a number of these technologies here in the 
forum over the years. But, honestly - I never truly got involved with 
any of them - until NOW!


Regards,
Kurt


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Re: [NF] Looking for current summary of VFP clones

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Stephen - interesting points - especially as that is probably EXACTLY 
What UCLA wants!!!


-K-

On 3/14/2019 1:17 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:

In all the years of writing apps have you ever had a talented user who told
you what they wanted to be even close to what they ended up with?

That being said, a rewrite allows the developer to "fix" the poor decisions
and tweaks to fix them.  If you had that commitment from the champion why
not get it off the desktop and make it contemporary to apps in the 2020
time frame?  That could be cloud, web, tablet/phone,  as well as PC.  Those
may be what the user wants in the re-write anyway.




On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:01 PM Kevin J Cully 
wrote:


I think this is key.  You all know that I'm a huge Xojo fan, however I
can't ever believe that rewriting an application for something other than a
real concrete reason is a good idea.  Basically if you are wondering if you
should rewrite a VFP application, then the answer is "no" already.  If you
know you need to rewrite a VFP application, then you already know why it
needs to be rewritten, by definition.  (Examples: Needs cross platform.
Needs 64-bit.  Can't interface with 'X'. etc.)

Great post Thierry.


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Hi Fletscher,

Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of
Windows, VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or
migration will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit
(except for those who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not
already, rewriting, testing, retraining users, managing the transition with
part of the app in VFP and part in the new system (no new app ever work
overnight), etc., maybe loss of functionalities, and risk that the
transition works out badly…

Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that
Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today
it's just seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting
new'.

VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web
apps with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be
more), PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless,
many-to-many relation between users and servers), running full weeks
without a single error (100% availability) while reading and writing
thousands of files, tables, memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server
runs 25k user requests per day, that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP
instructions, without a single error…

Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy
and interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.

(I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open
new pathes).

Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud

Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :

Hi all,



I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP
application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the
least amount of re-work.



I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the
various alternatives are.  X# looks promising, but so do some of the
others.  And some that I thought were good options now appear to be
dormant or discontinued.  So I thought I would check with you fine
folks to see if you know where I might find a list of current
alternatives and their level of compatibility.



Thanks,



Fletcher



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Re: [NF] Looking for current summary of VFP clones

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey there Kevin - you of the BucketHead Fandom!

Your discourse on a re-write strikes a Nerve more than you can 
imagine!!! Why? Well, to answer that I MUST start a New Thread! And, its 
overdue for me to do it. But, alas - been WAY Overwhelmed here. Been 
working 2 different PT gigs(Parrots & Teaching - but, NOT teaching 
Parrots), and now doing a big move of crap out of this "storage" room at 
my sister's house. On top of that, I MUST Prepare for this UCLA 2nd 
interview - thus the re-write commentary. Of course, I do NOT want to 
hijack this thread. So, I will start a new one. Hopefully either 
tomorrow or Sat. - for which I need to crack open a Serious discussions 
about Re-writes, alternate tech., reasons for picking certain tech. - 
all in order to formulate a VERY specific response to UCLA. Although, 
must admit - its a Bitch to go THIS Far (including a "written" 
programming test I must complete) - all for a job that pays a bit TOO 
low! Ugh...


-K-

On 3/14/2019 10:00 AM, Kevin J Cully wrote:

I think this is key.  You all know that I'm a huge Xojo fan, however I can't ever believe 
that rewriting an application for something other than a real concrete reason is a good 
idea.  Basically if you are wondering if you should rewrite a VFP application, then the 
answer is "no" already.  If you know you need to rewrite a VFP application, 
then you already know why it needs to be rewritten, by definition.  (Examples: Needs 
cross platform.  Needs 64-bit.  Can't interface with 'X'. etc.)

Great post Thierry.


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To: profox@leafe.com
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Hi Fletscher,

Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of Windows, 
VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or migration 
will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit (except for those 
who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not already, rewriting, testing, 
retraining users, managing the transition with part of the app in VFP and part 
in the new system (no new app ever work overnight), etc., maybe loss of 
functionalities, and risk that the transition works out badly…

Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 
10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today it's just 
seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting new'.

VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web apps 
with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be more), 
PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless, many-to-many 
relation between users and servers), running full weeks without a single error 
(100% availability) while reading and writing thousands of files, tables, 
memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server runs 25k user requests per day, 
that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP instructions, without a single error…

Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy and 
interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.

(I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open new 
pathes).

Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud

Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :

Hi all,

   


I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP
application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the
least amount of re-work.

   


I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the
various alternatives are.  X# looks promising, but so do some of the
others.  And some that I thought were good options now appear to be
dormant or discontinued.  So I thought I would check with you fine
folks to see if you know where I might find a list of current
alternatives and their level of compatibility.

   


Thanks,

   


Fletcher

   


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Re: [NF] Looking for current summary of VFP clones

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Will admit - I'd not heard that Win10 is last version. What happens 
next? Windows goes way of Dodo bird???


-K-

On 3/14/2019 3:23 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote:
Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced 
that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago),


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Re: UCLA & FoxPro...

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OK - I know this is getting a bit OT - as its diverging away from FoxPro 
- but, here goes nothing...


Paul - did you get the Ender yet?

Before you do - if you have not - you should listen to a couple of these 
Podcasts. A guy I know, on a major 3DP forum - he does a Podcast with 
this buddy of his. Its VERY Entertaining - as well as it can be very 
enlightening. I don't really know much about the Ender3 - except from 
what I heard his podcast. So - you should Seriously listen to it. Here's 
one episode where they talk about the Ender3 - its the 2nd segment(3 
main segments - and there's a news type intro.):


http://threedprintingtoday.libsyn.com/248_3dprinting_today

That's the intro about the Ender3. And, these 2 dudes have worked with a 
TON of 3DP's - including making TONS of Mod's! Its pretty crazy. The 
next link is the Unboxing of the 3DP:


http://threedprintingtoday.libsyn.com/255_3dprinting_today

Then, this 3rd ep. is about the operation of the 3DP:

http://threedprintingtoday.libsyn.com/256_3dprinting_today

Each time - its the 2nd segment where they talk about this particular 
3DP. And, if you DO listen - I love to hear your thoughts about the 
Podcast - if you enjoy them. I started listening during my Westward 
journey across the USA - and I've been hooked on the podcast ever since!


Oh - and on a side note - although more related to this original thread. 
I just had a phone interview with this guy at this 3DP co. here in Palo 
Alto - and they are doing some Insanely cool 3DP work. Building 
experimental specialized 3DP tech. - as well as doing Materials science 
tech for new special materials. I think I may have a good shot at this job!


-K-


On 3/4/2019 1:32 PM, Paul Hill wrote:

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 20:06, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:

So - am thrilled to hear you are now Joining the Fold of the 3DP world!
What 3DP are you using???

I've been thinking about buying a 3D printers for years but could not
justify the money.
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Re: AW: [NF] Migrating Skills From Foxpro to Xojo

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That is some funny stuff wOOdy!

Myself - I am RIGHT NOW looking at some FoxPro alternatives for this 
UCLA Job (mentioned in another thread) - and then just sent me an email 
this morning about looking at FoxPro alternatives. They have a list of 
them, including Alpha SW, Servoy, FoxInCloud & even the Westwind stuff 
(although I didn't think Westwind offered a full replacement). Was 
surprised they did NOT mention XoJo - and I may mention that to them.


I will follow-up here shortly with a new thread about this - as I do NOT 
Want to HiJack this thread - which Paul already kinda Hijacked 
(although, not really - since he gave it a fully new Subject line).


-K-

On 2/24/2019 1:30 AM, juer...@wondzinski.de wrote:

Hi Paul,


rather than debate the benefits of everyone’s favorite FoxPro replacement <<

Dude, have you considered Lianja?  Then you could use VFP, Phyton, PHP and JS 
at the same time!

Just teasing...   

wOOdy


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I’ve already tried python.

There may be some love involved with FoxPro but Python was eliminated from my 
options because i wanted more of a single provider rather than a bunch of 
different pieces coming from different providers. I’m sure I’ll trigger a lot 
of blowback from Python advocates for my comment but I stated originally I 
wanted to keep this thread on point about Xojo rather than debate the benefits 
of everyone’s favorite FoxPro replacement.

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Re: UCLA & FoxPro...

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Thanks John!!

On 3/9/2019 7:01 AM, John Weller wrote:

Good luck!!

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By the way...

I was just contacted yesterday, for the 2nd interview and a programming test. 
Should be fun!

-K-

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Any job is better than NO Job I guess!!

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Yup - if you can believe (which I am sure you folks can - since Uni's at time 
tend to be a bit behind in Tech.) - they actually have a job opening with 
FoxPro being the core of the job. Just finished doing a Skype interview with 4 
people. Was actually kinda fun!

They will probably be contacting me for the next phase. In which they also let 
me know I will be doing a kind of programming test - then a 2nd interview.

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with me!

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By the way...

I was just contacted yesterday, for the 2nd interview and a programming 
test. Should be fun!


-K-

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Subject: UCLA & FoxPro...

Yup - if you can believe (which I am sure you folks can - since Uni's at time 
tend to be a bit behind in Tech.) - they actually have a job opening with 
FoxPro being the core of the job. Just finished doing a Skype interview with 4 
people. Was actually kinda fun!

They will probably be contacting me for the next phase. In which they also let 
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Re: A FoxPro job in NJ!

[Kurt at VR-FX]

I believe it was on Indeed.com website.

On 3/6/2019 6:53 AM, Eric Selje wrote:

Where's that posted? I know a guy looking for a job. (Not in NJ however)

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 3:21 PM Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:


Its posted via - I think its a Recruiter firm - United SW Group. Pretty
damn stupid generic name. But, co. is in NJ. Its supposed support/maint
of a legacy FP Ins. app.!! Was curious if this rings a bell w/anyone
here. It claims no work from home option - but, I figured, why not see
if I can get them to change their minds on that one...

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Re: UCLA & FoxPro...

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And - that's actually a good option for a Newbie! But, FYI - you have to 
build it. Not complicated and NOT a lot of parts to assemble. But, will 
take a bit longer for a newbie...


-K-

On 3/4/2019 1:32 PM, Paul Hill wrote:

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 20:06, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:

So - am thrilled to hear you are now Joining the Fold of the 3DP world!
What 3DP are you using???

I've been thinking about buying a 3D printers for years but could not
justify the money.
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Re: UCLA & FoxPro...

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OMG! First, I saw your reply, and, I was like - wait, didn't I saw what 
the jobs were? Then, when I looked back at what I wrote - the details 
were slim on the teaching stuff. As for the Bird Hotel - I may be 
looking at potentially doing some 3D Printed stuff. But, the job itself 
is really about cleaning bird cages & the floor & feeding birds - and 
some interactions with the birds.


AS for the teaching. 2 of the classes are actually 3DP related, although 
its really about teaching 3D CG. At this point, I've been showing them 
Sculptris. You should try it.


So - am thrilled to hear you are now Joining the Fold of the 3DP world! 
What 3DP are you using???


-K-

On 3/4/2019 11:41 AM, Paul Hill wrote:

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 16:31, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:

True.

Although, right now - starting tomorrow - I will be doing Two Part time
jobs.

Anything 3D printer related?  I joined the club late last year.



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True.

Although, right now - starting tomorrow - I will be doing Two Part time 
jobs.


 1 - Teaching young kids - only 4 Hrs/Wk.

 2 - Working at a Bird Hotel - cleaning cages, feeding birds, 
interacting w/Birds (ALL Parrots - and most of them Talk), and maybe 
some interacting w/customers.


But, yeah - fulltime w/Bene's would be great. And, working on a college 
campus would be Awesome. And, I will get involved with oncampus maker 
space. And, possibly also try to work with some engineering students to 
try and bring some of my product design concepts to life(one I had in 
mind is a kind of specialized robot).


So - all of that WOULD be the Upside to working at UCLA. And, hopefully, 
I can do other stuff - like my 3D Printing and potential product designs 
- to help me make more money on the side - to allow me to survive better!


-K-


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Yup - if you can believe (which I am sure you folks can - since Uni's at time 
tend to be a bit behind in Tech.) - they actually have a job opening with 
FoxPro being the core of the job. Just finished doing a Skype interview with 4 
people. Was actually kinda fun!

They will probably be contacting me for the next phase. In which they also let 
me know I will be doing a kind of programming test - then a 2nd interview.

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with me!

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Re: UCLA & FoxPro...

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Love is a Pretty strong word there Mike! Although - the people 
interviewing me might agree with you.


I used to tell people - when they say they love some "thing" - that you 
can't love an inanimate object!


Sure - I have Solid Long time exp. w/The Fox! Done a Ton of work w/The 
Fox. So - yeah, a job working w/The Fox - its comfortable coming back to 
that kind of Code base & Dev. environ.!


-K-

On 3/3/2019 6:47 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:

On 2019-03-02 16:19, Kurt @ Gmail wrote:

HA ha - Nice one Mike!

Nope - its mainly FoxPro dev. in a logistics type dept. w/in UCLA.
Downside - pay is TERRIBLE!!! Its a tad more than 1/2 my last salary!
Ugh...

I can't believe they want someone with Exp. - serious VFP/FoxPro exp.
- yet, only want to pay 60K! Although, I hear this is common in Uni's!

:-(



Well, 60k in California is probably like 30k elsewhere, so sorry to 
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Nah. The current sole-dev guy was in the interview. And, it actually 
went well. Was actually kinda fun - even though it was 4 different 
people on the other end of the Skype call. I just KNOW they will contact 
me for the next step - which will be a programming test - and then 2nd 
interview. I could tell be the reactions from ALL of them - that they 
were indeed impressed by me. I even seemed to make it thru the tough 
question - re:why I was "Let go" from last job...


-K-

On 3/1/2019 2:35 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:

Good luck in the interview.

Watch out for the "Fix what is wrong in this app."  They may be hiring
because nobody can figure out what it does for the U.  Pasadena?  I haven't
been there since 1999 doing an app for a tire company.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 1:33 PM Kurt @ Gmail  wrote:


Yup - if you can believe (which I am sure you folks can - since Uni's at
time tend to be a bit behind in Tech.) - they actually have a job
opening with FoxPro being the core of the job. Just finished doing a
Skype interview with 4 people. Was actually kinda fun!

They will probably be contacting me for the next phase. In which they
also let me know I will be doing a kind of programming test - then a 2nd
interview.

At this point - I kinda figure that they will Have to progress to the
next step with me!

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Re: UCLA & FoxPro...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Thanks Vince!

On 3/1/2019 12:53 PM, Vince Teachout wrote:

On 03/01/19 2:33 PM, Kurt @ Gmail wrote:
Yup - if you can believe (which I am sure you folks can - since Uni's 
at time tend to be a bit behind in Tech.) - they actually have a job 
opening with FoxPro being the core of the job. Just finished doing a 
Skype interview with 4 people. Was actually kinda fun!


They will probably be contacting me for the next phase. In which they 
also let me know I will be doing a kind of programming test - then a 
2nd interview. 


Best of luck in the new job!!!



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A FoxPro job in NJ!

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Its posted via - I think its a Recruiter firm - United SW Group. Pretty 
damn stupid generic name. But, co. is in NJ. Its supposed support/maint 
of a legacy FP Ins. app.!! Was curious if this rings a bell w/anyone 
here. It claims no work from home option - but, I figured, why not see 
if I can get them to change their minds on that one...


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Re: UCLA & FoxPro...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Very funny - and thanks for the moral support!

On 3/1/2019 12:04 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:

On Mar 1, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Kurt @ Gmail  wrote:

At this point - I kinda figure that they will Have to progress to the next step 
with me!

Just figured some of you folks might find this tidbit of info. interesting!

Our collective fingers are crossed!

(although that made typing this email difficult!)


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Re: [OT] Nothing runs like the Fox

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I was just thinking. Maybe you should suggest a new Catch-phrase for 
this Dr. - like - "Nothing helps you get back to Running like Dr. Fox!" 
- then even get a modified version of the FoxPro logo to put on his 
website!


I'm sure you MUST have told the Dr. that you actually worked with 
something called FoxPro. Did you? If so - I bet he must have laughed!


-K-

On 2/23/2019 10:19 AM, Kurt at VR-FX wrote:
Hey Ed - I also hope for a quite recovery for you - and soon, 
Hopefully Really Soon - you will be running on Fox's Knee!


:-)

Also, I must say - you do Tweet quite a lot. I've noticed your Tweets 
over time coming up in lists of Tweets by others. And, the ones by 
Stephen Cobert and pretty wild. Even Stephen King - my Fav author - 
Tweets along the same lines and you and Cobert!


-K-

On 2/23/2019 7:20 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:
Ok, this is a stretch, but this past Monday I had my left knee 
replaced. It's a long story [0], but I got a kick out of the fact 
that my surgeon's name was Fox! [1]


So while I'm not running like a Fox yet, I'm progressing better than 
I could have hoped for, and should be running within a few months.



[0] https://blog.leafe.com/out-with-the-old/
[1] https://www.drfoxortho.com/

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Re: [OT] Nothing runs like the Fox

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Hey Ed - I also hope for a quite recovery for you - and soon, Hopefully 
Really Soon - you will be running on Fox's Knee!


:-)

Also, I must say - you do Tweet quite a lot. I've noticed your Tweets 
over time coming up in lists of Tweets by others. And, the ones by 
Stephen Cobert and pretty wild. Even Stephen King - my Fav author - 
Tweets along the same lines and you and Cobert!


-K-

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Ok, this is a stretch, but this past Monday I had my left knee replaced. It's a 
long story [0], but I got a kick out of the fact that my surgeon's name was 
Fox! [1]

So while I'm not running like a Fox yet, I'm progressing better than I could 
have hoped for, and should be running within a few months.


[0] https://blog.leafe.com/out-with-the-old/
[1] https://www.drfoxortho.com/

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Re: Automating Exchange Calendar (and Outlook, possibly)

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Sorry - but, I think this is THE MOST Viable option!!!

Either that - or Order yourself a Case of Excedrin - since you will 
probably need it!


:-)

-K-

On 2/12/2019 12:08 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

Run screaming into the woods? (My choice)


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Re: Pipe Delimited

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AFAIK - I don't think so. I remembered needing to do the same thing a 
number of years ago - and I think I had to kind of add the headers by 
hand. If I'm not mistaken...


And - by hand - I mean doing low-level file handling - or some such.

-K-

On 2/7/2019 6:13 PM, Chris Davis wrote:

Is it possible to export a cursor/table to Pipe Delimited with Headers without 
rolling my own?

Thanks

Chris.



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Re: Converting .scx to .prg

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I thought all the required info was in the .scx file! Which, of course, 
opens like a DBF. Funny though, since - a while ago - I did the 
opposite. I created a special tool to actually turn a PRG into an SCX! 
Was actually doing it for a job - for an old, VERY OLD Foxbase+ based 
system, to convert it to a true VFP type system. But, that was a long 
story...


-K-

On 1/28/2019 9:14 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

Hello:

 How do I convert a .scx to a .prg?

 I have found most of the pieces of code, but I do not see how the 
contained objects are created.  (I was expecting to find a form .Init().)


Sincerely,

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Re: [NF] Looking for a little Python/Django help

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Thanks Koen.

I will email you directly - and then you can pass it to me - if You're 
OK with that...


-K-

On 1/28/2019 1:57 PM, Koen Piller wrote:

Hi
On the french Foxpro groups site Mike poster a procedure to find the
distance between two Google adresses.
If you cant find I might be able to upload a zip
Koen

Op ma 28 jan. 2019 om 17:49 schreef Kurt @ Gmail 


I'm actually going to read your Blog post - since, if you can believe it
- I'm actually starting to teach a class to kids, in an after school
type program. One class is 3D Design/3D Printing - but, the other class
is Python based.  Am also going to look around at some older threads
here talking about Python - so I can truly get a quick jump start in
Python. Of course, needless to say - I need only stay 1 or 2 steps ahead
of the kids!

And - if ANYONE has a suggestion for something Cool I could teach the
kids in Python - feel free to give me a shout out!

Fletcher - sorry to Hi-Jack your thread. At least its not a total
hi-jacking and steering it into a wrong direction...

I give you back the steering wheel now!

-K-

On 1/24/2019 4:55 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:

On Jan 24, 2019, at 5:07 PM, Fletcher Johnson <

fletchersjohn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

My most interesting python question is related to the "file... import

..." command.  Apparently, you can't specify a parent folder in the file
portion, just the current one.  But there is a way to designate where other
files may be found, I just haven't figured out where that gets set,
especially when using environments.

You can't specify operating system paths in the import command; those

modules need to be in known locations where Python can find them. When you
install something (usually with `pip install`), it is placed in the
'site-packages' directory of your environment. I started to write a big
long explanation here, but decided that it would be better as a blog post:

https://blog.leafe.com/using-a-python-virtual-environment/

Of course, if you have any questions about that, let me know.


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Re: Fox Team member now MSFT CMO

[Kurt at VR-FX]

According to Forbes its a Dangerous Title - which made me chuckle. But, 
I also chuckled at your version Ted - as I always enjoy your humor!


I also found the disguising of a LMGTFY link rather interesting...

-K-

On 12/20/2018 10:18 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 12:36 PM Gene Wirchenko  wrote:


Amazingly, Chris is STILL with MSFT, his title now: CMO.

   What is a CMO?  M is not for Microsoft, I assume.


I think it means Collateralized Mortgage Obligation. You can read more
about CMOs here: http://bfy.tw/LRoE



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Re: [NF] Happy Holidays To Everyone!

[Kurt at VR-FX]

And a Merry New Year!!!

:-)

-K-

On 12/20/2018 7:43 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

Happy Christmas Paul.



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Re: AW: Visual FoxPro Toolkit for .NET

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Very funny Peter!  I actually had some people bust on me - claiming I 
had a mullet. But, I think they were exaggerating!


-K-

On 11/22/2018 7:45 AM, Peter Cushing wrote:

What's wrong with having a mullet? ;-)


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Re: Big Changes & Fox Work in SF Bay Area?

[Kurt at VR-FX]

HA HA HA! Very Funny Ted! Thanks for a good laugh. Its why I like 
hanging out here!


-K-

On 11/19/2018 8:41 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 11:34 AM Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:


Ah - understood - the Streets show. My dad was a big fan of that show -
so, I do remember watching it as a kid. Understood!




Dontchahateit when the new kids start with "My DAD used to watch that on
the VCR ..."


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Re: Big Changes & Fox Work in SF Bay Area?

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Ah - understood - the Streets show. My dad was a big fan of that show - 
so, I do remember watching it as a kid. Understood!


:-)

-K-

On 11/19/2018 8:23 AM, Peter Cushing wrote:

On 19/11/2018 16:15, Kurt at VR-FX wrote:
Hello there Peter - from the other side of the big pond. AS for Karl 
- that will be tough - as he's been dead since 2009. You expect me to 
die soon - so that I can give him your greeting??


:-)

No, not expecting you to die, just joking :-)
I did grow up watching "The streets of San Francisco" and the Dirty 
Harry films, which always come to mind when anyone mentions SF.


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Re: Big Changes & Fox Work in SF Bay Area?

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Hello there Peter - from the other side of the big pond. AS for Karl - 
that will be tough - as he's been dead since 2009. You expect me to die 
soon - so that I can give him your greeting??


:-)

-K-



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On 18/11/2018 02:12, Kurt at VR-FX wrote:

Very funny Mike!!! Well - am in Cali since my sister lives here in SF.

Say hello to Karl Malden for me ;-)

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Re: Big Changes & Fox Work in SF Bay Area?

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Very funny Mike!!! Well - am in Cali since my sister lives here in SF.

-K-

On 11/17/2018 5:53 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Best of luck, Kurt!  I recall you were in NYC, and now I see you're in 
Cali.  Wow...you love the high rent states, eh?  lol




On 2018-11-15 19:30, Fletcher Johnson wrote:

Kurt,

Welcome to CA!  Nice to know another VFP/FP guy in the area (there 
aren't
that many left)  The last time I searched for VFP type jobs, I 
found a

few scattered over the east coast and a couple down in LA.

Given that I also have grey hair syndrome, I can commiserate with your
struggle.  If you want, get in touch and I may be able to give you some
ideas.

The one takeaway I have found is that the top companies (Amazon, 
Facebook,

etc.) all get a huge hit because everyone wants to work there. But that
makes it easier to focus on the companies that don't generate the same
prestige.

Otherwise, have a very happy Thanksgiving!

Fletcher


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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Kurt @ Gmail
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 10:16 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Big Changes & Fox Work in SF Bay Area?

Hey there folks,

Yeah - I've been MIA for a little while now. I struggled to find work in
NYC area - and things just went from Bad to Worse! So - towards the end
of Sept. I made a big life change. Packed up my car - putting most of my
life in Storage - then hit the road and drove West Old Man...

About 8 days later I arrived in San Francisco - where I am now living at
my sister's place. So, I've been looking for work out here. Even applied
to a job at "X" - the special hi-tech lab of Google. They had a job for
a 3D Printing specialist. I would have been Perfect for the job - as I
had everything they wanted. But, maybe they saw me as too old, working
too many years, and probably thought I would need more $$$ than they
wanted to pay for the position - and, as such - I never heard back from
them. I even had not One but TWO Internal referrals - but, alas, that
didn't help...

I'm even looking for possible FoxPro work - which is the main reason I
am making this posting.

Anyone know of any FoxPro work in the Cali area? Preferably in the SF
Bay area. Although, I will consider elsewhere in Cali.

TIA!
-K-


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Re: [NF] Anyone seen pricing on Java fees for 2019?

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Oooohhh - its Bad Stephen!

:-)

Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years ago 
- but, didn't actually follow-up on it.


-K-

On 11/14/2018 8:09 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:

In USD I saw 40.00 for the applet.  I hope our buyer service can do
better.  Has anyone seen any server-side prices yet?

Java still sucks.

Fuck Oracle



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CAN You Hear the Silence???

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Wow - was surprised not to receive ANY Forum postings since 6/16! Has it 
really been that silent - or have I been unsubscribed for some reason? 
Hmmm...



-K-


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Re: Database design

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Well - since there is in theory only 1 Addr/job - but, each job can have 
multiple Dates/Events as well as multiple Notes & People/job - in theory 
your approach seems to make sense. If Notes are related to People - you 
could maybe consolidate them. Just my $0.0225 input - adjust up for 
inflation...



On 6/15/2018 12:30 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:

(VFP9SP2 app with MySQL backend)

Some years ago I had created a solution where I had split the main 
data table into 5 separate tables, each with a 1:1 relationship. I 
kept the commonly held fields in the table, and moved others off like so:

 - Main Job table
 - Job Address table (job site address)
 - Job Dates table (key event dates for this job)
 - Job Notes table (all text/memo fields, with key field of course)
 - Job People table (folks assigned to the job)

On review, I think this just made more work and I should consolidate 
all of these fields inside the single Job table.


Your thoughts on either design approach?

tia,
--Mike


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Re: [NF] Pile it on and hope it doesn't tumble.

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Nice one Stephen!!!


On 6/12/2018 11:54 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:

Then it becomes .NIX

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:52 AM Malcolm Greene  wrote:


There's a version of VS for Mac as well and the new release promises more
Mac love. No plans for a Linux version of VS ... yet.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2018/06/06/whats-next-for-visual-studio/

If you working in the Python world, I'm a big fan of JetBrain's PyCharm
IDE which has versions for Windows, MacOS and Linux and one license allows
you to run across all 3 environments. There's free and paid editions.
Highly recommended.

Malcolm



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Re: [NF] you know it comming

[Kurt at VR-FX]

So many ProTips & So little time...

Another Faux Pas on my part. But, truthfully - all ProfFox emails go 
into 1 folder - and only 2 emails from Carl in the past 2 years. Guess 
he normally stays quiet and likes to Lurk.


And - OMG - there were some Pretty DAMN Funny replies in that thread!!! 
Thanks for pointing it to me Ted.


So - now its time for me to be quiet again...

-K-

On 6/6/2018 6:20 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:

Hey Carl - just curious...

Are you new to this forum? I don't remember seeing replies from you -

ProTip: Visit the leafe.com archives for FoxForum, fill in the "Filter
on authors containing" textbox, select "OffTopic" and "NonFox" should
you want, and "All Messages" to read a brief history of Carl's
messages going back 19 years, to a delightful thread at
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Re: [NF] you know it comming

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey Carl - just curious...

Are you new to this forum? I don't remember seeing replies from you - 
although going thru old emails I see you sent a posting in like Feb of 
this year! I've been on here for Years now - and just didn't recognize 
your name. Also, was surprised by your name - it seemed to ring-a-bell 
in my head. Then I remembered, there is a Ted Lindner on the morning 
show here on WBAB on Long Island.


L8r,

Kurt


On 6/5/2018 5:54 PM, Carl Lindner wrote:

Pro Tip: ==> Razzle-Dazzle!

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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 5:44 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] you know it comming

ProTip: Click on the link in the footer that says "This message" to
view it in the archive, then click on "View Entire Thread" to view the
messages that might not have been delivered to you yet.

You get this: https://leafe.com/archives/full_thread/511294

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:

Alan - what up with this reply. Is it a reply to a REALLY OLD Thread? This
was the only message I saw from that thread - and my Inbox goes back like

2

years on this machine!

-K-


On 6/5/2018 10:00 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

It's fun if just to watch the consternation.

I don't imagine much will change.





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Re: [NF] you know it comming

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Butt - if it didn't get delivered to ME - maybe that means that there 
were OTHER folks who also didn't get it!


No???

-K-


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ProTip: Click on the link in the footer that says "This message" to
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You get this: https://leafe.com/archives/full_thread/511294

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Kurt at VR-FX  wrote:

Alan - what up with this reply. Is it a reply to a REALLY OLD Thread? This
was the only message I saw from that thread - and my Inbox goes back like 2
years on this machine!

-K-


On 6/5/2018 10:00 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

It's fun if just to watch the consternation.

I don't imagine much will change.





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Alan - what up with this reply. Is it a reply to a REALLY OLD Thread? 
This was the only message I saw from that thread - and my Inbox goes 
back like 2 years on this machine!


-K-


On 6/5/2018 10:00 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

It's fun if just to watch the consternation.

I don't imagine much will change.





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Re: [NF] A Question of CPU Upgrade...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Yes - that's true - Bitcoin farms are based upon Graphics cards. But, 
don't forget - these days there tends to be a lot of Memory in those 
graphics cards - to help handle all the processing. So - that's really 
what I was referring to.


-K-


On 5/29/2018 10:18 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

Well, it's supply and demand. I think bitcoin has been more of a factor in 
trebling graphics card prices, for some types of card, it's that GPU power 
they're after as opposed to memory.




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Re: [NF] A Question of CPU Upgrade...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

That's an interesting reason for the price fixing! And, there is also 
now this whole Bitcoin farming stuff - besides tradtional server farms 
used for things like 3D Animation rendering. All this besides the 
increased capacity/need for desktop computing in the corp. biz world!


-K-


On 5/29/2018 4:22 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

Something's not right here.  Seems like priced fixing/cartel.

Huge demand from server farms, mobile devices and a lack of fabrication 
capacity.




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Re: [NF] A Question of CPU Upgrade...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey there Paul,

Yeah - based upon the feedback - I'm not going to bother with CPU 
upgrade - too much of a hassle. I may, however, go for a 2nd SSD. As for 
your Amiga 4000 - that rocks! I had a used Amigo 1000 - but, sadly - I 
sold that off a couple of years ago...


:-(

-K-


On 5/28/2018 12:43 PM, Paul Hill wrote:

On 28 May 2018 at 16:14, Jürgen Wondzinski  wrote:

I wouldn't touch the CPU, not worth the hassle with mounting and thermal
reconnect.

If you want to upgrade, change your HD to a SSD. This is the most noticeable
change you can do.

Agreed.  I have a i7 3770 from 2012 which still rocks.
Much faster than the i7-7500 in my laptop I bought this year.

I use SSDs everywhere here, with a couple of spinning TB HDs for storage.
Samsung SSDs are excellent.

I even have a SSD in my 30 year old Amiga 4000.  mSATA with an IDE adapter.




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[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey there w00dy!

Thanks for the input. Yeah - I kinda figured the mounting and thermal 
reconnect would be a REAL Hassle - and why I was wondering if it was 
worth it.


I actually had an SSD in the system - along with an HD. Maybe I could 
add another SSD - but, again - not sure its worth it. Would have to have 
the core programs run from the new SSD - like my main 3D CG apps. But, 
who knows - I might just do that...


-K-


On 5/28/2018 11:14 AM, Jürgen Wondzinski wrote:

I wouldn't touch the CPU, not worth the hassle with mounting and thermal
reconnect.

If you want to upgrade, change your HD to a SSD. This is the most noticible
change you can do.

wOOdy


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Re: [NF] A Question of CPU Upgrade...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Understood. That's why I figured I would post the Q here - to see what 
others had to say. Am also thinking about upping the memory - as I only 
have 8MB in it now...


-K-


On 5/28/2018 11:13 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

I would be sceptical about the value of upgrading the CPU in a five year old 
system - it will probably be constrained by memory and disk speed.




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[NF] A Question of CPU Upgrade...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Hey there folks,

Hope everyone is having a nice Memorial Day Weekend - at least those of 
us here that are States side!


So - my main desktop PC was a Barebones system from Boxx Tech. that I 
built circa 2013. I haven't done any HW updates to it since I bought it. 
And, I just got am email from MicroCenter - with some nice deals. The 
one deal I am looking at - saves like $200 on an Intel CPU. But, I am 
wondering if its worth it to do the upgrade.


Currently - the CPU is an Intel i7-4770 @ 3.4GHz - AFAIK its Quad Core. 
But, keep in mind - the current system has liquid cooling for the chip. 
And, although the machine was "barebones" - the chip and cooling system 
was already pre-installed. I simply installed HD, memory, SD HD, and a 
hi-end video card. Of course, since current system has an Intel chip - I 
need to stick w/Intel - even though I would love to go back to an AMD 
type chip - obviously I can't - and still keep same MoBo.


As such - here is the chip on sale at MC: Coffee Lake Core i7-8700K 
3.7GHz (Turbo Speed 4.7GHz) Six-Core/12 Processing Threads.


So - would it be worth it to upgrade to this new chip? And, is it legit 
to swap a new chip like this into my system? I suspect its fully 
compatible. And, the other issue - not sure of the complications of the 
liquid cooling - and whether the chips can be swapped easily and still 
using same liquid cooling.


Again - I haven't touched any HW stuff in this machine since it was 
built - which means I really haven't touch HW stuff for years. Although 
- I did swap an HD on this machine - since the primary HD died.


TIA - L8r!
-K-



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Re: [ADMIN] Testing post to ProFox

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Ha ha Ted - funny! What I actually wrote was...
Ping


On 5/18/2018 9:25 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Kurt Wendt  wrote:

PGRpdiBkaXI9J2F1dG8nPlBpbmchPC9kaXY+


What Kurt said. Happy Friday!



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A Fox FB Page???

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Yup - a buddy of mine - he actually works at FaceBook - and he suggested 
I should "Like" this page. It was SO Cute - how could I not???


https://www.facebook.com/MPKFOX/

:-)
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Re: Modulo 97 of a very large number

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Ha ha - Very funny John! Its VERY Odd - sometimes my replies on my Cell 
produce Garbage here! Even my prior reply to this thread - which DID get 
a reasonably normal posting - still had weird formatting issues.


Anyway - my original reply - I felt it might have been a bit of a 
creative solution. But, alas - others posted with much more viable 
methods to solve the problem...


-K-


On 4/16/2018 2:16 PM, John Weller wrote:

+1

John Weller
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Re: Comparing Table Structures

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Well, Gene - you know how it is! We get old - and sometimes we me the 
obvious...


:-)

-K-


On 4/6/2018 11:42 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

At 15:32 2018-04-06, Frank Cazabon  wrote:

Would afields() do what you want?


 Yes.  Someone else on Foxite just suggested it, too.  I missed 
that afields() returns an array, and having a near-solution with 
arrays, I blindsided myself.


 Thank you.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko




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Re: FoxPro/VB for Sale...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

Nice one!

Hell - CL recently just killed off the Entire Personals/dating section. 
So - now I can't even sell myself on there!


:-)

-K-


On 3/29/2018 9:13 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

I guess Craigslist doesn't count for "NOT FOR RESALE."

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Kurt at VR-FX <v...@optonline.net> wrote:

I just came across this posting on CL. Its mainly for VB - and its and older
version 6 - but, seems VFP is included. I just kinda got a kick out of it -
since its an OLD version of VFP. They claim box is unopened!
https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sop/d/vb-6-enterprise/6530658934.html

L8r,
-K-


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Re: FoxPro/VB for Sale...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

That's interesting! I didn't even know about this "Visual Studio 
Community Edition" of VFP. I knew all this other stuff was Free - but, I 
guess I never thought about there being a free version of VFP. What's 
more interesting is - since M$ killed VFP YEARS ago - that makes it even 
more surprising that they still package it within some SW Install pack. 
Why bother if its Dead? I should go find it and install it on my main 
desktop PC - since I still don't have VFP on here!


Thanks for that tip Mr. Chang!

Oh - and this is funny. This gal friend of mine was Insisting I must 
give my newest Dragon a name. This new one - its over 9 feet long. And, 
guess what she suggested as a name? You got it right - Chang!


:-)

-K-


On 3/29/2018 7:26 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:

With the freely available Visual Studio Community Edition, it'll be
hard to sell this one. :)

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Kurt at VR-FX <v...@optonline.net> wrote:

I just came across this posting on CL. Its mainly for VB - and its and older
version 6 - but, seems VFP is included. I just kinda got a kick out of it -



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FoxPro/VB for Sale...

[Kurt at VR-FX]

I just came across this posting on CL. Its mainly for VB - and its and 
older version 6 - but, seems VFP is included. I just kinda got a kick 
out of it - since its an OLD version of VFP. They claim box is unopened!

https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sop/d/vb-6-enterprise/6530658934.html

L8r,
-K-

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