Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: You mean how you didn't know that 80% of Americans like their health care? That the mortality rate for cancer and heart disease is lower than Canada? That in America you can get an MRI almost instantly where in Canada you have to wait months or years? --- I wonder who's numbers are correct in opinions about health care. Are the questions biased to promote a desired outcome? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer SQL Server DBA Web and Winform Development Independent Contractor Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c4313dbe0908110842u1cfc04f0rfa79301b820b8...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Yes, all the polls are somewhat biased. When people are asked Does health care need to be reformed There is a majority that says yes. When people are asked, Do you like your health care A majority say yes. Why is that? Because people have been told over and over that all these people are suffering. Well it looks like only 20% of people don't like it. Let's fix the 20%. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 11:42 AM On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: You mean how you didn't know that 80% of Americans like their health care? That the mortality rate for cancer and heart disease is lower than Canada? That in America you can get an MRI almost instantly where in Canada you have to wait months or years? --- I wonder who's numbers are correct in opinions about health care. Are the questions biased to promote a desired outcome? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer SQL Server DBA Web and Winform Development Independent Contractor Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c4313dbe0908110842u1cfc04f0rfa79301b820b8...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/226811.70008...@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, all the polls are somewhat biased. When people are asked Does health care need to be reformed There is a majority that says yes. When people are asked, Do you like your health care A majority say yes. Why is that? Because people have been told over and over that all these people are suffering. Well it looks like only 20% of people don't like it. They are standing outside of a well to do Medical building in the affluent section of town? Did they go the other side of the tracks and ask? Probably not, maybe because the large health buildings don't exist over there? Neither side is correct in this hell hole we are moving towards. If we found the middle ground as step one we would probably due the country a favor. Ever think that the Feds could do something down the center in the past 20 years? Nuf said. :( -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer SQL Server DBA Web and Winform Development Independent Contractor Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c4313dbe0908111204o3906d967yf88b395dbc95...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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well as an official figure, 80% seems curiously 'round'. any statistician worth their salt would be immediately suspicious of its truth or the size of the sample set. in other words, it IS a figure you merely invented. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 3:29 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Actually I didn't Welsh boy. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com wrote: From: Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:51 AM A statistic you plucked from your ass.. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 10 August 2009 06:36 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm 80% of Americans are happy with their health care. Destroying the greatest health care system in the world so a few more can participate makes absolutely no sense. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:15 AM read what you wrote about 'every rich person'. the worth of a health care system is not defined by what it can do for its rich but rather by what it can do for its poor and middle class. Try again. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 1:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm America has the lowest mortality rate for Cancer and heart disease in the world. It has the highest survivability rate 5 years after detection. Why do you think every rich person in the world comes here to get treatment? Do you ever hear of an Arab Sheik going to Cuba or Canada? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:50 PM more idiocy... USA has the WORST health care system in the western world as acknowledged by the vast number of knowledgable peopl. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm No it isn't. He wants to install SOCIALISM in a CAPITALIST country. He wants to ruin the best health care country in the world and turn it into Cuba, YET HE WON'T PUT HIS OWN FAMILY ON IT. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:46 PM thats absurd - even for you. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:11 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x
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http://bit.ly/xjFIG - - - As the Obama administration pushes for a national health care plan, studies show that most Americans are overwhelmingly happy with their own health care -- but they are dissatisfied with the country's overall system, because most Americans who have insurance believe that those who don't have it are not receiving care. Those same studies, however, show that a surprisingly large 70 percent of the estimated 46 million Americans who don't have insurance say they do, in fact, receive health care, and that a vast majority of them are satisfied with it. A survey conducted jointly by the Kaiser Family Foundation, ABC News and USA Today, released in October 2006, found that 89 percent of Americans were satisfied with their own personal medical care, but only 44 percent were satisfied with the overall quality of the American medical system. The survey is the only recent poll for which data is publicly available that allows for a comparison of the satisfaction of insured and uninsured Americans. (The data from a just-completed New York Times/CBS poll won't be publicly available for several months; the results that have been reported so far don't make the comparisons discussed in this article.) - - - A classic manufactured crisis... people who believe their healthcare is good overwhelmingly believe everyone else's sucks. A lie repeated often enough... - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:08 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm well as an official figure, 80% seems curiously 'round'. any statistician worth their salt would be immediately suspicious of its truth or the size of the sample set. in other words, it IS a figure you merely invented. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 3:29 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Actually I didn't Welsh boy. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com wrote: From: Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:51 AM A statistic you plucked from your ass.. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 10 August 2009 06:36 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm 80% of Americans are happy with their health care. Destroying the greatest health care system in the world so a few more can participate makes absolutely no sense. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:15 AM read what you wrote about 'every rich person'. the worth of a health care system is not defined by what it can do for its rich but rather by what it can do for its poor and middle class. Try again. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 1:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm America has the lowest mortality rate for Cancer and heart disease in the world. It has the highest survivability rate 5 years after detection. Why do you think every rich person in the world comes here to get treatment? Do you ever hear of an Arab Sheik going to Cuba or Canada? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:50 PM more idiocy... USA has the WORST health care system in the western world as acknowledged by the vast number of knowledgable peopl. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm No it isn't. He wants to install SOCIALISM in a CAPITALIST country. He wants to ruin the best health care country in the world and turn
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Why do foreigners continue to believe we should suffer like they do? --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: From: Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:36 AM http://bit.ly/xjFIG - - - As the Obama administration pushes for a national health care plan, studies show that most Americans are overwhelmingly happy with their own health care -- but they are dissatisfied with the country's overall system, because most Americans who have insurance believe that those who don't have it are not receiving care. Those same studies, however, show that a surprisingly large 70 percent of the estimated 46 million Americans who don't have insurance say they do, in fact, receive health care, and that a vast majority of them are satisfied with it. A survey conducted jointly by the Kaiser Family Foundation, ABC News and USA Today, released in October 2006, found that 89 percent of Americans were satisfied with their own personal medical care, but only 44 percent were satisfied with the overall quality of the American medical system. The survey is the only recent poll for which data is publicly available that allows for a comparison of the satisfaction of insured and uninsured Americans. (The data from a just-completed New York Times/CBS poll won't be publicly available for several months; the results that have been reported so far don't make the comparisons discussed in this article.) - - - A classic manufactured crisis... people who believe their healthcare is good overwhelmingly believe everyone else's sucks. A lie repeated often enough... - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:08 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm well as an official figure, 80% seems curiously 'round'. any statistician worth their salt would be immediately suspicious of its truth or the size of the sample set. in other words, it IS a figure you merely invented. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 3:29 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Actually I didn't Welsh boy. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com wrote: From: Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:51 AM A statistic you plucked from your ass.. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 10 August 2009 06:36 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm 80% of Americans are happy with their health care. Destroying the greatest health care system in the world so a few more can participate makes absolutely no sense. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:15 AM read what you wrote about 'every rich person'. the worth of a health care system is not defined by what it can do for its rich but rather by what it can do for its poor and middle class. Try again. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 1:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm America has the lowest mortality rate for Cancer and heart disease in the world. It has the highest survivability rate 5 years after detection. Why do you think every rich person in the world comes here to get treatment? Do you ever hear of an Arab Sheik going to Cuba or Canada? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:50 PM more idiocy... USA has the WORST health care system in the western world as acknowledged
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The issue is not don't some people have bad or no insurance but what exactly is broken in the current system? What's broken in the current system is the fact that the normal market mechanisms of price negotiation don't exist. There are too many layers of indirection between consumer and provider for the consumer to be able to affect the pricing that the provider establishes directly. Insurance was never supposed to cover everything. It was supposed to mitigate catastrophic risk, not guarantee entitlements. People act like the government hasn't intervened in health care and what we have is some kind of laissez faire free-for-all. Nothing could be further from the truth. Every aspect of it is regulated, every aspect of it has been legislated, and what we have is a system where private companies are competing in a set of government-established rules that almost guarantee constantly rising prices. Here again Bush is just as much to blame with his prescription drug entitlement. If doctors had to charge what the market could truly bear, prices would drop dramatically. Look at the computer hardware market. If health care were treated like a normal commodity, prices would find equilibrium. But it's treated, and regulated, like an entitlement, then people can't figure out why the prices keep going up. After all, what's your God-given right to health worth? Problem with the current system is few people understand economics, and politicians have seized on the iniquities in the system they themselves created as if now they are the system's saviors. Like this hasn't been tried before. Ask the mortgage industry how this story ends... - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:46 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Bob Calco wrote: A classic manufactured crisis... people who believe their healthcare is good overwhelmingly believe everyone else's sucks. Hi Bob, Mine sure does. I had to do without diabetes meds for a year while the health Nazis around here were fighting about whether or not I was eligible for one program or another. Now I need to see a specialist but I won't be able to until February because I won't be able to afford the $1000 + *per month* deductible. The co-payments I pay to the doctors I do see, are actually all the doctor gets so you can't blame the doctors for not seeing someone in my situation. The co-pay is on the order of $20, but at my income level that is a lot. What if you have three health appointments in a week? -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/005901ca19bb$95cb2e20$c1618a...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Not at all. The stock is recovering nicely. Our problems are not immense. - Original Message - From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? america's problems are so immense that merely tinkering around the edges and playing 'the game' is unlikely to work. new ideas need new people and Bob, you are part of the old way of thinking; you are part of the problem. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 6:07 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Bob Calco wrote: Hi Bob, Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. Thank you Dr. Freud :-) You have pension envy, it's obvious to everyone... :) You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do Nah, you are overreacting, especially by inferring stuff to what he didn't say and didn't do. Heaven help anyone who doesn't say *all* the right things when you are listening! Let's see. When he says, We need a civilian national security force, just as powerful, just as well-funded, as the US military, what am I to infer? When he says to his supporters, I want you to get in their face, argue with them, whatever does he mean? When he says, If they bring a knife, we bring a gun, am I the only one who sees past all the rhetoric about peace and diplomacy that the media created to mythologize this thug as some kind of peacemaker? When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? When you really look into what he has written (or claimed he has written), and what he has done, and with whom he has done them, you see a very different person than the one people thought they were voting for, that the media portrays and reinforces with its puff pieces and blatant propaganda. He is not who he says he is, nor is he doing that which you think he's doing. The layers of deception around this guy are so thick even obvious red flags no other candidate could survive are being ignored, even by people who should know better. The truth will have out eventually. But at what cost? - Bob America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. Of course! We are overdue for a correction. But we can't give away everything so we have to get rid of him after one term. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/01b601ca19cd$6379d7c0$6801a...@dual ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael and Bob, I suggest you two critiques/complainers/name-callers, simply write your own policy proposals here for once. You two are very quick to criticize, demonize and state that anyone that disagrees with you hates America. It's easier to criticize than it is to stand on your own two feet and propose viable alternatives. So let's hear some detailed viable alternatives here instead of always being so negative and portraying yourselves as the only two individuals in the universe that somehow love America. Go ahead, try it for once. -Philip Michael Madigan wrote: He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a8045d2.6080...@netzero.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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We've done that many times. Unfortunately we get into discussions with people who like to talk out their poopers. Kind of like that Federal Reserve argument. The average American citizen likes their health care. We don't need idiots from foreign lands to tell us otherwise. The problem is that most people think other people aren't satisfied. That came about by years of endless mind washing by the media. My solution is to offer low-cost, bare-bones health insurance to the uninsured, not to kill the best health care system on the planet. If anyone thinks the American Government can do a better job than the current system, they've never had interaction with the IRS, Social Security, Division of Motor Vehicles, The US Postal Service, or any other entity where they hire low-intelligent slugs and give them jobs for life. --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Philip Borkholder plbor...@netzero.net wrote: From: Philip Borkholder plbor...@netzero.net Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM Michael and Bob, I suggest you two critiques/complainers/name-callers, simply write your own policy proposals here for once. You two are very quick to criticize, demonize and state that anyone that disagrees with you hates America. It's easier to criticize than it is to stand on your own two feet and propose viable alternatives. So let's hear some detailed viable alternatives here instead of always being so negative and portraying yourselves as the only two individuals in the universe that somehow love America. Go ahead, try it for once. -Philip Michael Madigan wrote: He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: We've done that many times. Unfortunately we get into discussions with people who like to talk out their poopers. Kind of like that Federal Reserve argument. --- How about we introduce tort reform as step one. We may get much better health benefits when our practitioners start doing what they know we need instead of what will stop a potential lawsuit. Second point is the need to change the payment structure from services rendered to patient diagnosed and cured. Last point is to STOP the mind set that everything is solved with a prescription. Some times you need an antibiotic not all the time. Just like you do not need to have every kid in school on some sort of ADD drug regiment. Texas did the tort reform and Dr.s are flooding into the state for better practice management. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer SQL Server DBA Web and Winform Development Independent Contractor Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c4313dbe0908101222j15ad811fta6bcaa667e572...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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That's what's so screwed up with our system. 1. The Drug Companies support Republican politicians 2. The Trial Lawyers support Democrat politicians. How can you ever reach a solution when these politicians are in the pocket of special interest groups? * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:22 PM On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: We've done that many times. Unfortunately we get into discussions with people who like to talk out their poopers. Kind of like that Federal Reserve argument. --- How about we introduce tort reform as step one. We may get much better health benefits when our practitioners start doing what they know we need instead of what will stop a potential lawsuit. Second point is the need to change the payment structure from services rendered to patient diagnosed and cured. Last point is to STOP the mind set that everything is solved with a prescription. Some times you need an antibiotic not all the time. Just like you do not need to have every kid in school on some sort of ADD drug regiment. Texas did the tort reform and Dr.s are flooding into the state for better practice management. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer SQL Server DBA Web and Winform Development Independent Contractor Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c4313dbe0908101222j15ad811fta6bcaa667e572...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/19178.8760...@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: That's what's so screwed up with our system. 1. The Drug Companies support Republican politicians 2. The Trial Lawyers support Democrat politicians. How can you ever reach a solution when these politicians are in the pocket of special interest groups? -- I would love to see the guests on Sunday morning political shows give every guest a racing jacket that had a logo on it for every sponsor/backer they declared on the disclosure forms they have to submit. Kind of like Nascar like. The larger the patch the more they are giving. That would be great. When debates come out you could have the ticker operating underneath the current speaker with their lineage of sponsors as well. Freedom of information! -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer SQL Server DBA Web and Winform Development Independent Contractor Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c4313dbe0908101230s799ef036t4e3dc712ee52b...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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This is why we need term limits and why we'll never see them. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:30 PM On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: That's what's so screwed up with our system. 1. The Drug Companies support Republican politicians 2. The Trial Lawyers support Democrat politicians. How can you ever reach a solution when these politicians are in the pocket of special interest groups? -- I would love to see the guests on Sunday morning political shows give every guest a racing jacket that had a logo on it for every sponsor/backer they declared on the disclosure forms they have to submit. Kind of like Nascar like. The larger the patch the more they are giving. That would be great. When debates come out you could have the ticker operating underneath the current speaker with their lineage of sponsors as well. Freedom of information! -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer SQL Server DBA Web and Winform Development Independent Contractor Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c4313dbe0908101230s799ef036t4e3dc712ee52b...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/403712.49526...@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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One of the root cause problems of our system today is the extra-constitutional two-party duopoly, which basically guarantees in any one arm of government at every level a majority faction -- recall, majority faction is one particularly consequential evil of democratic government that the Founders explicitly called out and targeted with various features of our Constitution. Another problem is the income tax. Our Founders never intended there to be an income tax -- ever. All tax revenue was to be obtained by a modest tariff on articles of manufacture, period. I can list an endless stream of quotes from Washington to Teddy Roosevelt about the evils of the income tax and merits of the tariff for encouraging capitalists to invest in American labor. Thanks to Woodrow Wilson, we have the income tax, the UN (he pimped an early and especially pathetic precursor to it, the League of Nations), and central reserve banking. All of these were antithetical to the underlying philosophical objectives of our system. It's a mistake to compare Obama to Lincoln or FDR. He's rather more like Wilson---something of an academic, a know-it-all, man-of-the-world, and hostile to the core of Constitutional republicanism on so many levels. Most people don't know this but Wilson actually had dissenters rounded up and interned, not unlike what Obama is starting with his fishy rumor website, his civilian expeditionary force, and the concentration camps they are building under the guise of preparing for future FEMA emergencies. - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:35 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm This is why we need term limits and why we'll never see them. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote: From: Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:30 PM On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Michael Madiganmmadi10...@yahoo.com wrote: That's what's so screwed up with our system. 1. The Drug Companies support Republican politicians 2. The Trial Lawyers support Democrat politicians. How can you ever reach a solution when these politicians are in the pocket of special interest groups? -- I would love to see the guests on Sunday morning political shows give every guest a racing jacket that had a logo on it for every sponsor/backer they declared on the disclosure forms they have to submit. Kind of like Nascar like. The larger the patch the more they are giving. That would be great. When debates come out you could have the ticker operating underneath the current speaker with their lineage of sponsors as well. Freedom of information! -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer SQL Server DBA Web and Winform Development Independent Contractor Memphis TN 901.246-0159 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/008401ca19f7$73991830$5acb48...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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you really are a fool michael. you demonstrate everything there is to despise about americans. fortunately my experience with americans has almost always been exceptionally good and so I know that you are atypical of your people. you are however, still a fool. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:37 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Why do foreigners continue to believe we should suffer like they do? --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: From: Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:36 AM http://bit.ly/xjFIG - - - As the Obama administration pushes for a national health care plan, studies show that most Americans are overwhelmingly happy with their own health care -- but they are dissatisfied with the country's overall system, because most Americans who have insurance believe that those who don't have it are not receiving care. Those same studies, however, show that a surprisingly large 70 percent of the estimated 46 million Americans who don't have insurance say they do, in fact, receive health care, and that a vast majority of them are satisfied with it. A survey conducted jointly by the Kaiser Family Foundation, ABC News and USA Today, released in October 2006, found that 89 percent of Americans were satisfied with their own personal medical care, but only 44 percent were satisfied with the overall quality of the American medical system. The survey is the only recent poll for which data is publicly available that allows for a comparison of the satisfaction of insured and uninsured Americans. (The data from a just-completed New York Times/CBS poll won't be publicly available for several months; the results that have been reported so far don't make the comparisons discussed in this article.) - - - A classic manufactured crisis... people who believe their healthcare is good overwhelmingly believe everyone else's sucks. A lie repeated often enough... - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:08 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm well as an official figure, 80% seems curiously 'round'. any statistician worth their salt would be immediately suspicious of its truth or the size of the sample set. in other words, it IS a figure you merely invented. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 3:29 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Actually I didn't Welsh boy. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com wrote: From: Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:51 AM A statistic you plucked from your ass.. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 10 August 2009 06:36 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm 80% of Americans are happy with their health care. Destroying the greatest health care system in the world so a few more can participate makes absolutely no sense. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:15 AM read what you wrote about 'every rich person'. the worth of a health care system is not defined by what it can do for its rich but rather by what it can do for its poor and middle class. Try again. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 1:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm America has the lowest mortality rate for Cancer and heart disease in the world. It has the highest survivability rate 5 years after detection. Why do you think every rich person
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You foreigners want us to have terrible health care like you. Too bad. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:15 PM you really are a fool michael. you demonstrate everything there is to despise about americans. fortunately my experience with americans has almost always been exceptionally good and so I know that you are atypical of your people. you are however, still a fool. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:37 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Why do foreigners continue to believe we should suffer like they do? --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: From: Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:36 AM http://bit.ly/xjFIG - - - As the Obama administration pushes for a national health care plan, studies show that most Americans are overwhelmingly happy with their own health care -- but they are dissatisfied with the country's overall system, because most Americans who have insurance believe that those who don't have it are not receiving care. Those same studies, however, show that a surprisingly large 70 percent of the estimated 46 million Americans who don't have insurance say they do, in fact, receive health care, and that a vast majority of them are satisfied with it. A survey conducted jointly by the Kaiser Family Foundation, ABC News and USA Today, released in October 2006, found that 89 percent of Americans were satisfied with their own personal medical care, but only 44 percent were satisfied with the overall quality of the American medical system. The survey is the only recent poll for which data is publicly available that allows for a comparison of the satisfaction of insured and uninsured Americans. (The data from a just-completed New York Times/CBS poll won't be publicly available for several months; the results that have been reported so far don't make the comparisons discussed in this article.) - - - A classic manufactured crisis... people who believe their healthcare is good overwhelmingly believe everyone else's sucks. A lie repeated often enough... - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:08 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm well as an official figure, 80% seems curiously 'round'. any statistician worth their salt would be immediately suspicious of its truth or the size of the sample set. in other words, it IS a figure you merely invented. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 3:29 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Actually I didn't Welsh boy. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com wrote: From: Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:51 AM A statistic you plucked from your ass.. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 10 August 2009 06:36 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm 80% of Americans are happy with their health care. Destroying the greatest health care system in the world so a few more can participate makes absolutely no sense. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:15 AM read what you wrote about 'every rich person'. the worth of a health care system
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hey dopey, we get some american children coming to my city (adelaide) to be treated at the cranio-facial unit regarded as one of the best in the world. and why do they do it when there are equally as good (but not better) units in USA? because even with all the costs and full price (not subsidised) treatment, they are still better off than the USA system. and these are well-off people. what do your poor and middle-class do when their kids are born with both eyes on opposite side of their head or a nose that reaches from ear to lopside-ear? join a circus? I know ethnocentrism is an american art form but in the era of google there is no excuse for being so uninformed. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 11:06 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm You foreigners want us to have terrible health care like you. Too bad. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:15 PM you really are a fool michael. you demonstrate everything there is to despise about americans. fortunately my experience with americans has almost always been exceptionally good and so I know that you are atypical of your people. you are however, still a fool. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:37 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Why do foreigners continue to believe we should suffer like they do? --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: From: Bob Calco bobca...@tampabay.rr.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:36 AM http://bit.ly/xjFIG - - - As the Obama administration pushes for a national health care plan, studies show that most Americans are overwhelmingly happy with their own health care -- but they are dissatisfied with the country's overall system, because most Americans who have insurance believe that those who don't have it are not receiving care. Those same studies, however, show that a surprisingly large 70 percent of the estimated 46 million Americans who don't have insurance say they do, in fact, receive health care, and that a vast majority of them are satisfied with it. A survey conducted jointly by the Kaiser Family Foundation, ABC News and USA Today, released in October 2006, found that 89 percent of Americans were satisfied with their own personal medical care, but only 44 percent were satisfied with the overall quality of the American medical system. The survey is the only recent poll for which data is publicly available that allows for a comparison of the satisfaction of insured and uninsured Americans. (The data from a just-completed New York Times/CBS poll won't be publicly available for several months; the results that have been reported so far don't make the comparisons discussed in this article.) - - - A classic manufactured crisis... people who believe their healthcare is good overwhelmingly believe everyone else's sucks. A lie repeated often enough... - Bob -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:08 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm well as an official figure, 80% seems curiously 'round'. any statistician worth their salt would be immediately suspicious of its truth or the size of the sample set. in other words, it IS a figure you merely invented. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 3:29 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Actually I didn't Welsh boy. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com wrote: From: Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:51 AM A statistic you plucked from your ass.. -Original Message- From: profox-boun
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You mean how you didn't know that 80% of Americans like their health care? That the mortality rate for cancer and heart disease is lower than Canada? That in America you can get an MRI almost instantly where in Canada you have to wait months or years? The American Constitution guarantees Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, not free health care. I know ethnocentrism is an american art form but in the era of google there is no excuse for being so uninformed. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/249407.65499...@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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The American Constitution guarantees Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, not free health care. has it EVER occurred to you to think beyond the narrow confines of a piece of paper? the american constitution is a brilliant document - one of the world's best - but it is not perfect nor does it embody the sum of human genius or compassion. I am sure when it was written they hoped that future generations would evolve and the constitution would along with it. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:03 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm You mean how you didn't know that 80% of Americans like their health care? That the mortality rate for cancer and heart disease is lower than Canada? That in America you can get an MRI almost instantly where in Canada you have to wait months or years? The American Constitution guarantees Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, not free health care. I know ethnocentrism is an american art form but in the era of google there is no excuse for being so uninformed. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/010101ca1a2e$1a57cd20$4f0767...@com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: You mean how you didn't know that 80% of Americans like their health care? That the mortality rate for cancer and heart disease is lower than Canada? That in America you can get an MRI almost instantly where in Canada you have to wait months or years? The American Constitution guarantees Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, not free health care. Hi Michael, Actually, the right to Life language is in the Declaration of Independence, rather than in the Constitution. If you have a right to life, then you have a right to health care. Remember that when you are sick and your insurance decides to not pay. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a80ee03.1090...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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There's a reason it's worked so well. --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 10:47 PM The American Constitution guarantees Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, not free health care. has it EVER occurred to you to think beyond the narrow confines of a piece of paper? the american constitution is a brilliant document - one of the world's best - but it is not perfect nor does it embody the sum of human genius or compassion. I am sure when it was written they hoped that future generations would evolve and the constitution would along with it. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:03 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm You mean how you didn't know that 80% of Americans like their health care? That the mortality rate for cancer and heart disease is lower than Canada? That in America you can get an MRI almost instantly where in Canada you have to wait months or years? The American Constitution guarantees Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, not free health care. I know ethnocentrism is an american art form but in the era of google there is no excuse for being so uninformed. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/53267.25537...@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001601ca1920$e6454e30$b2cfea...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Bob Calco wrote: Hi Bob, Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. Thank you Dr. Freud :-) You have pension envy, it's obvious to everyone... :) You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do Nah, you are overreacting, especially by inferring stuff to what he didn't say and didn't do. Heaven help anyone who doesn't say *all* the right things when you are listening! Let's see. When he says, We need a civilian national security force, just as powerful, just as well-funded, as the US military, what am I to infer? When he says to his supporters, I want you to get in their face, argue with them, whatever does he mean? When he says, If they bring a knife, we bring a gun, am I the only one who sees past all the rhetoric about peace and diplomacy that the media created to mythologize this thug as some kind of peacemaker? When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? When you really look into what he has written (or claimed he has written), and what he has done, and with whom he has done them, you see a very different person than the one people thought they were voting for, that the media portrays and reinforces with its puff pieces and blatant propaganda. He is not who he says he is, nor is he doing that which you think he's doing. The layers of deception around this guy are so thick even obvious red flags no other candidate could survive are being ignored, even by people who should know better. The truth will have out eventually. But at what cost? - Bob America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. Of course! We are overdue for a correction. But we can't give away everything so we have to get rid of him after one term. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001801ca1931$2eca9240$8c5fb6...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Bob Calco wrote: Let's see. When he says, We need a civilian national security force, just as powerful, just as well-funded, as the US military, what am I to infer? When he says to his supporters, I want you to get in their face, argue with them, whatever does he mean? When he says, If they bring a knife, we bring a gun, Hi Bob, Yeah, he's Hitler, but he *is* the president. Thus we have to wait until the next election to get rid of him. But to look at the bright side, some of the things he is doing or trying to do need to be done, we just can't keep him 8 years or he will do too much wrong. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a7f4b05.8020...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/006601ca1941$cc0be260$6423a7...@com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? america's problems are so immense that merely tinkering around the edges and playing 'the game' is unlikely to work. new ideas need new people and Bob, you are part of the old way of thinking; you are part of the problem. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 6:07 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Bob Calco wrote: Hi Bob, Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. Thank you Dr. Freud :-) You have pension envy, it's obvious to everyone... :) You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do Nah, you are overreacting, especially by inferring stuff to what he didn't say and didn't do. Heaven help anyone who doesn't say *all* the right things when you are listening! Let's see. When he says, We need a civilian national security force, just as powerful, just as well-funded, as the US military, what am I to infer? When he says to his supporters, I want you to get in their face, argue with them, whatever does he mean? When he says, If they bring a knife, we bring a gun, am I the only one who sees past all the rhetoric about peace and diplomacy that the media created to mythologize this thug as some kind of peacemaker? When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? When you really look into what he has written (or claimed he has written), and what he has done, and with whom he has done them, you see a very different person than the one people thought they were voting for, that the media portrays and reinforces with its puff pieces and blatant propaganda. He is not who he says he is, nor is he doing that which you think he's doing. The layers of deception around this guy are so thick even obvious red flags no other candidate could survive are being ignored, even by people who should know better. The truth will have out eventually. But at what cost? - Bob America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. Of course! We are overdue for a correction. But we can't give away everything so we have to get rid of him after one term. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/006701ca1942$4e535320$eaf9f9...@com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/431708.66327...@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ridiculous. 80% of Americans like their health insurance. We need to fix it for the other 20%. 1. Tort reform. Limit judgment amounts. 2. Lower malpractice insurance for doctors. 3. allow nurses to dispense and administer low-level medications. 4. Allow longer prescription times. Right now if you're on long-term prescription such as blood pressure medication, they require you to come in every 5 months. I'd change that to every 12 months. 5 Lawsuits make doctors over-test so that they can't be sued later. 6. Allow poorest people to join medicare regardless of age. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:39 PM When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? america's problems are so immense that merely tinkering around the edges and playing 'the game' is unlikely to work. new ideas need new people and Bob, you are part of the old way of thinking; you are part of the problem. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 6:07 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Bob Calco wrote: Hi Bob, Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. Thank you Dr. Freud :-) You have pension envy, it's obvious to everyone... :) You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do Nah, you are overreacting, especially by inferring stuff to what he didn't say and didn't do. Heaven help anyone who doesn't say *all* the right things when you are listening! Let's see. When he says, We need a civilian national security force, just as powerful, just as well-funded, as the US military, what am I to infer? When he says to his supporters, I want you to get in their face, argue with them, whatever does he mean? When he says, If they bring a knife, we bring a gun, am I the only one who sees past all the rhetoric about peace and diplomacy that the media created to mythologize this thug as some kind of peacemaker? When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? When you really look into what he has written (or claimed he has written), and what he has done, and with whom he has done them, you see a very different person than the one people thought they were voting for, that the media portrays and reinforces with its puff pieces and blatant propaganda. He is not who he says he is, nor is he doing that which you think he's doing. The layers of deception around this guy are so thick even obvious red flags no other candidate could survive are being ignored, even by people who should know better. The truth will have out eventually. But at what cost? - Bob America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. Of course! We are overdue for a correction. But we can't give away everything so we have to get rid of him after one term. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/447028.8491...@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added
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you miss the point - again. it isnt 80% it is far lower AND the problems you identify are peripheral, not systemic. it is the system problems and the structure that needs revising. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:46 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Ridiculous. 80% of Americans like their health insurance. We need to fix it for the other 20%. 1. Tort reform. Limit judgment amounts. 2. Lower malpractice insurance for doctors. 3. allow nurses to dispense and administer low-level medications. 4. Allow longer prescription times. Right now if you're on long-term prescription such as blood pressure medication, they require you to come in every 5 months. I'd change that to every 12 months. 5 Lawsuits make doctors over-test so that they can't be sued later. 6. Allow poorest people to join medicare regardless of age. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:39 PM When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? america's problems are so immense that merely tinkering around the edges and playing 'the game' is unlikely to work. new ideas need new people and Bob, you are part of the old way of thinking; you are part of the problem. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 6:07 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Bob Calco wrote: Hi Bob, Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. Thank you Dr. Freud :-) You have pension envy, it's obvious to everyone... :) You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do Nah, you are overreacting, especially by inferring stuff to what he didn't say and didn't do. Heaven help anyone who doesn't say *all* the right things when you are listening! Let's see. When he says, We need a civilian national security force, just as powerful, just as well-funded, as the US military, what am I to infer? When he says to his supporters, I want you to get in their face, argue with them, whatever does he mean? When he says, If they bring a knife, we bring a gun, am I the only one who sees past all the rhetoric about peace and diplomacy that the media created to mythologize this thug as some kind of peacemaker? When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? When you really look into what he has written (or claimed he has written), and what he has done, and with whom he has done them, you see a very different person than the one people thought they were voting for, that the media portrays and reinforces with its puff pieces and blatant propaganda. He is not who he says he is, nor is he doing that which you think he's doing. The layers of deception around this guy are so thick even obvious red flags no other candidate could survive are being ignored, even by people who should know better. The truth will have out eventually. But at what cost? - Bob America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. Of course! We are overdue for a correction. But we can't give away everything so we have to get rid of him after one term. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman
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No it isn't. He wants to install SOCIALISM in a CAPITALIST country. He wants to ruin the best health care country in the world and turn it into Cuba, YET HE WON'T PUT HIS OWN FAMILY ON IT. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:46 PM thats absurd - even for you. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:11 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/651155.23141...@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Nothing needs revising. You need to insure the deadbeats, that's all. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:47 PM you miss the point - again. it isnt 80% it is far lower AND the problems you identify are peripheral, not systemic. it is the system problems and the structure that needs revising. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:46 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Ridiculous. 80% of Americans like their health insurance. We need to fix it for the other 20%. 1. Tort reform. Limit judgment amounts. 2. Lower malpractice insurance for doctors. 3. allow nurses to dispense and administer low-level medications. 4. Allow longer prescription times. Right now if you're on long-term prescription such as blood pressure medication, they require you to come in every 5 months. I'd change that to every 12 months. 5 Lawsuits make doctors over-test so that they can't be sued later. 6. Allow poorest people to join medicare regardless of age. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:39 PM When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? america's problems are so immense that merely tinkering around the edges and playing 'the game' is unlikely to work. new ideas need new people and Bob, you are part of the old way of thinking; you are part of the problem. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 6:07 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Bob Calco wrote: Hi Bob, Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. Thank you Dr. Freud :-) You have pension envy, it's obvious to everyone... :) You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do Nah, you are overreacting, especially by inferring stuff to what he didn't say and didn't do. Heaven help anyone who doesn't say *all* the right things when you are listening! Let's see. When he says, We need a civilian national security force, just as powerful, just as well-funded, as the US military, what am I to infer? When he says to his supporters, I want you to get in their face, argue with them, whatever does he mean? When he says, If they bring a knife, we bring a gun, am I the only one who sees past all the rhetoric about peace and diplomacy that the media created to mythologize this thug as some kind of peacemaker? When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? When you really look into what he has written (or claimed he has written), and what he has done, and with whom he has done them, you see a very different person than the one people thought they were voting for, that the media portrays and reinforces with its puff pieces and blatant propaganda. He is not who he says he is, nor is he doing that which you think he's doing. The layers of deception around this guy are so thick even obvious red flags no other candidate could survive are being ignored, even by people who should know better. The truth will have out eventually. But at what cost? - Bob America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion
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thats absurd - even for you. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:11 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/003601ca1964$b637ba90$22a72f...@com.au ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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let me guess... pickup truck with a confederate flag and gun racks right?? -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:32 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Nothing needs revising. You need to insure the deadbeats, that's all. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:47 PM you miss the point - again. it isnt 80% it is far lower AND the problems you identify are peripheral, not systemic. it is the system problems and the structure that needs revising. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:46 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Ridiculous. 80% of Americans like their health insurance. We need to fix it for the other 20%. 1. Tort reform. Limit judgment amounts. 2. Lower malpractice insurance for doctors. 3. allow nurses to dispense and administer low-level medications. 4. Allow longer prescription times. Right now if you're on long-term prescription such as blood pressure medication, they require you to come in every 5 months. I'd change that to every 12 months. 5 Lawsuits make doctors over-test so that they can't be sued later. 6. Allow poorest people to join medicare regardless of age. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:39 PM When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? america's problems are so immense that merely tinkering around the edges and playing 'the game' is unlikely to work. new ideas need new people and Bob, you are part of the old way of thinking; you are part of the problem. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 6:07 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Bob Calco wrote: Hi Bob, Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. Thank you Dr. Freud :-) You have pension envy, it's obvious to everyone... :) You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do Nah, you are overreacting, especially by inferring stuff to what he didn't say and didn't do. Heaven help anyone who doesn't say *all* the right things when you are listening! Let's see. When he says, We need a civilian national security force, just as powerful, just as well-funded, as the US military, what am I to infer? When he says to his supporters, I want you to get in their face, argue with them, whatever does he mean? When he says, If they bring a knife, we bring a gun, am I the only one who sees past all the rhetoric about peace and diplomacy that the media created to mythologize this thug as some kind of peacemaker? When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? When you really look into what he has written (or claimed he has written), and what he has done, and with whom he has done them, you see a very different person than the one people thought they were voting for, that the media portrays and reinforces with its puff pieces and blatant propaganda. He is not who he says he is, nor is he doing that which you think he's doing. The layers of deception around this guy are so thick even obvious red flags no other candidate could survive are being ignored, even by people who should know better. The truth will have out eventually
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more idiocy... USA has the WORST health care system in the western world as acknowledged by the vast number of knowledgable peopl. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm No it isn't. He wants to install SOCIALISM in a CAPITALIST country. He wants to ruin the best health care country in the world and turn it into Cuba, YET HE WON'T PUT HIS OWN FAMILY ON IT. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:46 PM thats absurd - even for you. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:11 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com
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I wish. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:50 PM let me guess... pickup truck with a confederate flag and gun racks right?? -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:32 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Nothing needs revising. You need to insure the deadbeats, that's all. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:47 PM you miss the point - again. it isnt 80% it is far lower AND the problems you identify are peripheral, not systemic. it is the system problems and the structure that needs revising. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:46 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Ridiculous. 80% of Americans like their health insurance. We need to fix it for the other 20%. 1. Tort reform. Limit judgment amounts. 2. Lower malpractice insurance for doctors. 3. allow nurses to dispense and administer low-level medications. 4. Allow longer prescription times. Right now if you're on long-term prescription such as blood pressure medication, they require you to come in every 5 months. I'd change that to every 12 months. 5 Lawsuits make doctors over-test so that they can't be sued later. 6. Allow poorest people to join medicare regardless of age. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:39 PM When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? america's problems are so immense that merely tinkering around the edges and playing 'the game' is unlikely to work. new ideas need new people and Bob, you are part of the old way of thinking; you are part of the problem. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 6:07 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Bob Calco wrote: Hi Bob, Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. Thank you Dr. Freud :-) You have pension envy, it's obvious to everyone... :) You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do Nah, you are overreacting, especially by inferring stuff to what he didn't say and didn't do. Heaven help anyone who doesn't say *all* the right things when you are listening! Let's see. When he says, We need a civilian national security force, just as powerful, just as well-funded, as the US military, what am I to infer? When he says to his supporters, I want you to get in their face, argue with them, whatever does he mean? When he says, If they bring a knife, we bring a gun, am I the only one who sees past all the rhetoric about peace and diplomacy that the media created to mythologize this thug as some kind of peacemaker? When he says he wants people who created this mess not to do a lot of talking but to get out of the way so he can clean their mess, pray tell me, where is the hope? Where is the unity? Where's the post-partisanship? When you really look into what he has written (or claimed
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America has the lowest mortality rate for Cancer and heart disease in the world. It has the highest survivability rate 5 years after detection. Why do you think every rich person in the world comes here to get treatment? Do you ever hear of an Arab Sheik going to Cuba or Canada? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:50 PM more idiocy... USA has the WORST health care system in the western world as acknowledged by the vast number of knowledgable peopl. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm No it isn't. He wants to install SOCIALISM in a CAPITALIST country. He wants to ruin the best health care country in the world and turn it into Cuba, YET HE WON'T PUT HIS OWN FAMILY ON IT. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:46 PM thats absurd - even for you. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:11 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America for those times it did not live up to its ideals. So you're secretly pulling for him to be successful leveling the field even as you prepare to vote against him next go-round. A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office
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read what you wrote about 'every rich person'. the worth of a health care system is not defined by what it can do for its rich but rather by what it can do for its poor and middle class. Try again. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 1:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm America has the lowest mortality rate for Cancer and heart disease in the world. It has the highest survivability rate 5 years after detection. Why do you think every rich person in the world comes here to get treatment? Do you ever hear of an Arab Sheik going to Cuba or Canada? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:50 PM more idiocy... USA has the WORST health care system in the western world as acknowledged by the vast number of knowledgable peopl. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm No it isn't. He wants to install SOCIALISM in a CAPITALIST country. He wants to ruin the best health care country in the world and turn it into Cuba, YET HE WON'T PUT HIS OWN FAMILY ON IT. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:46 PM thats absurd - even for you. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:11 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident as his One-ness is challenged. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. America is founded on equality under the law, based on endowment by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, not equality of outcomes as measured by faceless government bureaucrats. You seem to relate to Obama's clear passion for the latter and hatred of America
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80% of Americans are happy with their health care. Destroying the greatest health care system in the world so a few more can participate makes absolutely no sense. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:15 AM read what you wrote about 'every rich person'. the worth of a health care system is not defined by what it can do for its rich but rather by what it can do for its poor and middle class. Try again. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 1:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm America has the lowest mortality rate for Cancer and heart disease in the world. It has the highest survivability rate 5 years after detection. Why do you think every rich person in the world comes here to get treatment? Do you ever hear of an Arab Sheik going to Cuba or Canada? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:50 PM more idiocy... USA has the WORST health care system in the western world as acknowledged by the vast number of knowledgable peopl. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm No it isn't. He wants to install SOCIALISM in a CAPITALIST country. He wants to ruin the best health care country in the world and turn it into Cuba, YET HE WON'T PUT HIS OWN FAMILY ON IT. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:46 PM thats absurd - even for you. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:11 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all of her adult life until it was obvious her husband was whooping Clinton's entitled arse in the primaries. All Obama loves is himself; he's a grade A narcissist, with sociopathic tendencies that will grow more evident
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A statistic you plucked from your ass.. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 10 August 2009 06:36 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm 80% of Americans are happy with their health care. Destroying the greatest health care system in the world so a few more can participate makes absolutely no sense. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:15 AM read what you wrote about 'every rich person'. the worth of a health care system is not defined by what it can do for its rich but rather by what it can do for its poor and middle class. Try again. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 1:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm America has the lowest mortality rate for Cancer and heart disease in the world. It has the highest survivability rate 5 years after detection. Why do you think every rich person in the world comes here to get treatment? Do you ever hear of an Arab Sheik going to Cuba or Canada? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:50 PM more idiocy... USA has the WORST health care system in the western world as acknowledged by the vast number of knowledgable peopl. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm No it isn't. He wants to install SOCIALISM in a CAPITALIST country. He wants to ruin the best health care country in the world and turn it into Cuba, YET HE WON'T PUT HIS OWN FAMILY ON IT. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:46 PM thats absurd - even for you. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:11 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. That is, you relate to him through envy, which explains your latent socialism. You are dead wrong about his attitude toward America, it was evident in everything he said, did and didn't say or didn't do during the campaign. America needs to be completely changed because it was wholly unacceptable to The One. Even his wife proclaimed, not once but twice, that she was never proud of her country in all
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Actually I didn't Welsh boy. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com wrote: From: Adam Buckland adam.buckl...@eurohill.com Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 1:51 AM A statistic you plucked from your ass.. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: 10 August 2009 06:36 To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm 80% of Americans are happy with their health care. Destroying the greatest health care system in the world so a few more can participate makes absolutely no sense. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:15 AM read what you wrote about 'every rich person'. the worth of a health care system is not defined by what it can do for its rich but rather by what it can do for its poor and middle class. Try again. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 1:34 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm America has the lowest mortality rate for Cancer and heart disease in the world. It has the highest survivability rate 5 years after detection. Why do you think every rich person in the world comes here to get treatment? Do you ever hear of an Arab Sheik going to Cuba or Canada? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:50 PM more idiocy... USA has the WORST health care system in the western world as acknowledged by the vast number of knowledgable peopl. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:31 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm No it isn't. He wants to install SOCIALISM in a CAPITALIST country. He wants to ruin the best health care country in the world and turn it into Cuba, YET HE WON'T PUT HIS OWN FAMILY ON IT. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:46 PM thats absurd - even for you. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 8:11 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm He wants to remove any resemblance to America, not change things. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Geoff data...@adam.com.au wrote: From: Geoff data...@adam.com.au Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: 'ProFox Email List' profox@leafe.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:36 PM A curious brand of cognitive dissonance. - Bob an interesting notion for someone who claims Obama hates America because he wants to CHANGE things. -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 4:11 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm Pete: Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating
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I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: http://bit.ly/13PnYh http://bit.ly/IqhIK http://bit.ly/42kxry He's definitely a post-partisan president focused on healing, reconciliation and open dialog. Meanwhile, completely unrelated: http://bit.ly/jjUu7 - - - Take a look at this Army document (http://bit.ly/juZ1e) that describes procedures for setting up a Civilian Inmate Labor Program. Here is the job description for Internment/Resettlement Specialist as posted on Monster.Com. As an Internment/Resettlement Specialist for the Army National Guard, you will ensure the smooth running of military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility, similar to those duties conducted by civilian Corrections Officers. This will require you to know proper procedures and military law; and have the ability to think quickly in high-stress situations. Specific duties may include assisting with supervision and management operations; providing facility security; providing custody, control, supervision, and escort; and counseling individual prisoners in rehabilitative programs. By joining this specialty, you will develop the skills that will prepare you for a rewarding career with law enforcement agencies or in the private security field. - - - - Bob ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/041601ca1832$aaa40db0$ffec29...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bob Calcobobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/a2b0cc710908081106m1ab3393bta76c0557aa57c...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Jean Laeremans laeremans.jeanma...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Laeremans laeremans.jeanma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 2:06 PM On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bob Calcobobca...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/278528.26306...@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Hi Michael, Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a7dc38d.7090...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I never got the impression that Bill Clinton hated American. Obama HATES America. He's using his Union Thugs to break heads now, did Clinton do that? * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: From: Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 2:27 PM Michael Madigan wrote: Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Hi Michael, Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/141118.19436...@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: I never got the impression that Bill Clinton hated American. Obama HATES America. He's using his Union Thugs to break heads now, did Clinton do that? Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a7dd3e0.9000...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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There was no violence until they called out the Union Goons. --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: From: Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 3:37 PM Michael Madigan wrote: I never got the impression that Bill Clinton hated American. Obama HATES America. He's using his Union Thugs to break heads now, did Clinton do that? Hi Michael, Clinton DID every chick he could. All Clinton cared about was his own s*x life. The video posted does not support the theory that Obama had Union Thugs start or participate in a fight. It looked like it was just an altercation between two individuals that spread to other guys, some of whom wore union shirts. Fights are like that. Clinton was indifferent to America. That is worse, far worse, than hating America. Obama is not indifferent, and he does not hate America but rather he hates inequality. I hate inequality. America is not supposed to be unequal, it has just evolved in that direction. The people who benefit from inequality are not what anyone would call deep thinkers - just the opposite. They typically think that whatever benefits them, no matter what detriment to others or the whole society, is right for America or indeed the world. Jean could have done a better job than Obama because Jean hates America less than Obama. Who was the last real patriot who held office? Reagan? The usual thing is for them to line their own pockets, and the pockets of their buddies. That's all Obama is really about. In effect that is hating America, but not any more than, say, Lyndon Johnson. I was completely wrong about that Obama guy: Told you so... -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a7dd3e0.9000...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/67194.60405...@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: There was no violence until they called out the Union Goons. Hi Michael, Which ones were they, the guys in the blue shirts? I actually didn't see a lot of violence. Looked like a lot of pushing shoving and yelling, one guy going down and then an argument about what happened. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a7e0e42@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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They arrested 6 Union people. The camera started late. They took a little black guy who was handing out tea party stuff like magnets and sticker and two fat goons punched him in the face, knocking him down to the floor and making him lose his glasses. Before they hit him they called him a nigger. Then they punched a woman with a video phone in the face. OF course these sub-humans are too stupid to know you don't punch someone who is recording you because it's used as evidence later. * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: From: Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 7:46 PM Michael Madigan wrote: There was no violence until they called out the Union Goons. Hi Michael, Which ones were they, the guys in the blue shirts? I actually didn't see a lot of violence. Looked like a lot of pushing shoving and yelling, one guy going down and then an argument about what happened. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/402728.50827...@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael Madigan wrote: They arrested 6 Union people. The camera started late. They took a little black guy who was handing out tea party stuff like magnets and sticker and two fat goons punched him in the face, knocking him down to the floor and making him lose his glasses. Before they hit him they called him a nigger. Then they punched a woman with a video phone in the face. OF course these sub-humans are too stupid to know you don't punch someone who is recording you because it's used as evidence later. Hi Michael, Well, the judge will decide what to do if that is what happened. However, the connection to Obama is minimal. They probably voted for him but he has scant connection with those who did. Saying Obama Goons is a bit of a stretch. Maybe, maybe, the president of that local might get his picture taken with Obama if he went to Washington on Union business. But Obama wouldn't know who he was the next day if he met him at another event. I have a letter signed by Bush. Doesn't mean Bush knows me or if I knuckle some D (which I would never do) that I am a Bush Goon. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a7e1375.8010...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm
No Pete. Obama asked the Union to provide cover for the town hall meetings. Direct . * Join the OBAMA RESISTANCE MOVEMENT! http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike/6181419 --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net wrote: From: Pete Theisen petethei...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 8:08 PM Michael Madigan wrote: They arrested 6 Union people. The camera started late. They took a little black guy who was handing out tea party stuff like magnets and sticker and two fat goons punched him in the face, knocking him down to the floor and making him lose his glasses. Before they hit him they called him a nigger. Then they punched a woman with a video phone in the face. OF course these sub-humans are too stupid to know you don't punch someone who is recording you because it's used as evidence later. Hi Michael, Well, the judge will decide what to do if that is what happened. However, the connection to Obama is minimal. They probably voted for him but he has scant connection with those who did. Saying Obama Goons is a bit of a stretch. Maybe, maybe, the president of that local might get his picture taken with Obama if he went to Washington on Union business. But Obama wouldn't know who he was the next day if he met him at another event. I have a letter signed by Bush. Doesn't mean Bush knows me or if I knuckle some D (which I would never do) that I am a Bush Goon. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a7e1375.8010...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/927969.62724...@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Things that make you go Hmmm
Michael Madigan wrote: No Pete. Obama asked the Union to provide cover for the town hall meetings. Direct . Hi Michael, Did he? Is this a matter of record? Have you a link? -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/4a7e149e.1030...@verizon.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
