RE: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
They should probably suspend all advertising campaigns until this crisis is over. Which crisis? Apple sales increasing at an increasing rate, Linux use increasing at an increasing rate, hard-to-ignore-any-longer howling of PC users in pain with Vista being jammed down our throats, the number of folks buying more expensive PCs just to get the XP Pro downgrade with the Vista upgrade option instead of raw Vista, (non)performance of the financial industry and US economy as a whole, increasing rate of inflation (which is being masked as an increasing amount of fuel and food items as a percentage of purchases are removed from the total bundle of goods to adjust for market conditions), civil rights being stripped away from US citizens under the pretense of being necessary to save us from the terrorists, we don't get it response to M$ advertisements, success of Apple ads, success of Linux despite no real ads, the persistently long not-so-slow slide of the US dollar's exchange rate against other currencies, or name whatever other crisis you want? On the bright side, I can still deploy compiled VFP apps without paying any additional fees to M$ g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials Jeff Johnson wrote: I just saw a new Microsoft commercial. Everyone - including Bill Gates - says I'm a PC. It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. They should probably suspend all advertising campaigns until this crisis is over. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Gil Hale wrote: On the bright side, I can still deploy compiled VFP apps without paying any additional fees to M$ g... Hi Gil! They can change that any time they want by slipping a new EULA in with a security update. They have already done this. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
Pete Theisen wrote: Gil Hale wrote: On the bright side, I can still deploy compiled VFP apps without paying any additional fees to M$ g... Hi Gil! They can change that any time they want by slipping a new EULA in with a security update. They have already done this. When they did it: http://leafe.com/archives/showMsg/138654 -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
What He said! :) David Smith Systems Administrator Doan Family of Dealerships (585) 352-6600 ext.1730 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.upstatedigitools.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Hale Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Microsoft Commercials They should probably suspend all advertising campaigns until this crisis is over. Which crisis? Apple sales increasing at an increasing rate, Linux use increasing at an increasing rate, hard-to-ignore-any-longer howling of PC users in pain with Vista being jammed down our throats, the number of folks buying more expensive PCs just to get the XP Pro downgrade with the Vista upgrade option instead of raw Vista, (non)performance of the financial industry and US economy as a whole, increasing rate of inflation (which is being masked as an increasing amount of fuel and food items as a percentage of purchases are removed from the total bundle of goods to adjust for market conditions), civil rights being stripped away from US citizens under the pretense of being necessary to save us from the terrorists, we don't get it response to M$ advertisements, success of Apple ads, success of Linux despite no real ads, the persistently long not-so-slow slide of the US dollar's exchange rate against other currencies, or name whatever other crisis you want? On the bright side, I can still deploy compiled VFP apps without paying any additional fees to M$ g... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul McNett Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials Jeff Johnson wrote: I just saw a new Microsoft commercial. Everyone - including Bill Gates - says I'm a PC. It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. They should probably suspend all advertising campaigns until this crisis is over. Paul [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
I am doing just fine without applying any updates. A lot of my software is still compiled under VFP v-7, and the newer stuff is compiled under VFP v-9 (nothing with v-8). I have no bugs or behavior characteristics caused by VFP7 or VFP9 I can't work around. So no need for me to rock the boat. EULAs issued with updates are wasted on me. Bring it on! Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials Gil Hale wrote: On the bright side, I can still deploy compiled VFP apps without paying any additional fees to M$ g... Hi Gil! They can change that any time they want by slipping a new EULA in with a security update. They have already done this. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
My gut tells me the EULA additive restrictions would not hold up in court, eventually. But who wants to take on the expense involved in proving that point? Not me. ive with what we have, update and be more restricted, or defy the restirctions and do what we want anyway (come get me, I am running VFP under Linux/WINE/CrossoverOffice!...). It would be costly for M$ to chase someone like me down, no margin in it. Bullies will be bullies... Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials Pete Theisen wrote: Gil Hale wrote: On the bright side, I can still deploy compiled VFP apps without paying any additional fees to M$ g... Hi Gil! They can change that any time they want by slipping a new EULA in with a security update. They have already done this. When they did it: http://leafe.com/archives/showMsg/138654 -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
There are upsides with all this economic disruption, although they can be difficult to identify and harness. For instance the sales volume of new and used cars are down for a lot of auto dealers, as are profits. But for the folks using my DCMS application for proactive and reactive marketing purposes their numbers are far better than their peers' numbers. They are holding their own. So the likelihood of me getting axed by a client who can see I am a large part of their current ability to survive is minimal (had been even in good times). But, it also means I am more likely able to get additional clients, if I want to take on more, as opposed to my competition being able to add clients. You see, all of my competitors are modeled on Sales Reps having to go to a prospect and close a deal, and the Rep is them paid a commission, and there are other hard costs involved that must be passed onto a dealer. So it is a fairly expensive matter for a dealer to say they will invest in a software package that will cost them a chunk of change up front, whether it works or not. And often not working is more a matter of internal processes using the software as opposed to the software being functional. In my case I can go to a dealer in these tough times and say I am willing to install my software, parlay the initial license fee and any recurring license fees for 3 months. At that I could even spread the initial license fee over a few months to help a dealer earn their way into the money to pay me. That way they have a chance over 3 months to see measurable results before investing one nickel. I can use their current hardware, and for me to weather a 3 month delay in generating revenue is not a stretch at all, as my current per client nominal license fee revenue stream is strong enough to let me survive just fine. I did not saddle myself with high expenses in the good times, I built a model to survive tough times as I knew the cycle would turn sour at some point and I wanted to be a survivor, not trapped like a rat. The marginal cost to me is the investment of my time in a Pay It Forward manner. Once I am able to show measurable results to a new dealer client, no anecdotal suppositions, and he/she sees how very reasonable my fees are in comparison to how much they are earning with my software (in both revenue and profit terms) it becomes a no brainer. I take all the risk up front, and end up with a very happy client very short order. For a dealer who does not want to let me take that risk, and turns me away, well, I am certain there are plenty of other dealers out there who are eager enough to do anything reasonable that will work with me. And if I do not get the job done, we part ways (never has happened) and all I lost is a little time. In a sense it is going to be easier for me to collect new clients in these tougher times than in the past when things were so good that dealers felt a solution like mine was not really needed. TV, radio and newspaper ads are what they felt drove their business. Funny how that works out... The only thing that keeps me from gaining explosive growth is my desire to be able to provide the best possible support for my clients. If I take on too many clients I will end up having to compromise somewhere, and from what I have seen in our business the support is the first thing that gets clipped. I could do without my reputation getting tarnished. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Smith Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Microsoft Commercials What He said! :) David Smith Systems Administrator Doan Family of Dealerships (585) 352-6600 ext.1730 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.upstatedigitools.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Hale Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Microsoft Commercials They should probably suspend all advertising campaigns until this crisis is over. Which crisis? Apple sales increasing at an increasing rate, Linux use increasing at an increasing rate, hard-to-ignore-any-longer howling of PC users in pain with Vista being jammed down our throats, the number of folks buying more expensive PCs just to get the XP Pro downgrade with the Vista upgrade option instead of raw Vista, (non)performance of the financial industry and US economy as a whole, increasing rate of inflation (which is being masked as an increasing amount of fuel and food items as a percentage of purchases are removed from the total bundle of goods to adjust for market conditions), civil rights being stripped away from US citizens under the pretense of being necessary to save us from the terrorists, we don't get it response to M$ advertisements, success of Apple ads, success of Linux despite no real ads, the persistently long not-so
Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I just saw a new Microsoft commercial. Everyone - including Bill Gates - says I'm a PC. It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. And all except for Bill were paid for their endorsement. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I just saw a new Microsoft commercial. Everyone - including Bill Gates - says I'm a PC. It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. And it's so... original. Check out the I am Fedora video that came out in August: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wgNd4JIXoA -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ed: Do you know that for certain, or are you making an assumption? Why wouldn't they pay Bill? ;^) Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] SanDC, Inc. 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 Phoenix Python User Group - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed Leafe wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I just saw a new Microsoft commercial. Everyone - including Bill Gates - says I'm a PC. It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. And all except for Bill were paid for their endorsement. -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:56 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: Ed: Do you know that for certain, or are you making an assumption? Why wouldn't they pay Bill? ;^) OK, I just assumed Bill wouldn't be paying himself. But as for the rest, according to a Microsoft spokesperson: Microsoft sent out a casting director looking for interesting people doing interesting things. In order to avoid swaying responses, this person asked questions similar to those you might expect from a market researcher on the street, determining how the person uses PCs in their lives. We invited people with particularly captivating stories to participate in the ads. They were compensated for their time. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/webscout/2008/09/how-microsofts.html ( -or- http://tinyurl.com/3uzs2o ) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Heh Jeff, It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. We have always said Microsoft takes three versions to get it right g. Commercials v3.0. Whether you think they are good or not, whether you think people are getting paid for their endorsement or not, these commercials are working because they are generating threads like this on forums, and blogs, and twitter, and other social networking sites, and come up in conversations among people. Cracks me up. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Rick Schummer wrote: Heh Jeff, It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. We have always said Microsoft takes three versions to get it right g. Commercials v3.0. Whether you think they are good or not, whether you think people are getting paid for their endorsement or not, these commercials are working because they are generating threads like this on forums, and blogs, and twitter, and other social networking sites, and come up in conversations among people. Cracks me up. It's like annoying commercials of the past...you hate them but they're talked about at the watercooler (or here). ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
Ed Leafe wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I just saw a new Microsoft commercial. Everyone - including Bill Gates - says I'm a PC. It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. And all except for Bill were paid for their endorsement. -- Ed Leafe So what? The MAC vs. PC commercial actors are all paid too. I don't see the point of your comment. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
Gil Hale wrote: My gut tells me the EULA additive restrictions would not hold up in court, eventually. But who wants to take on the expense involved in proving that point? Not me. ive with what we have, update and be more restricted, or defy the restirctions and do what we want anyway (come get me, I am running VFP under Linux/WINE/CrossoverOffice!...). It would be costly for M$ to chase someone like me down, no margin in it. Bullies will be bullies... It wouldn't hold up in court. You'd get a ton of new supporters behind you, ready to fight the good fight. Go get 'em, Gil! g ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials
Gil Hale wrote: They should probably suspend all advertising campaigns until this crisis is over. Which crisis? Apple sales increasing at an increasing rate, Linux use increasing at an increasing rate, hard-to-ignore-any-longer howling of PC users in pain with Vista being jammed down our throats, the number of folks buying more expensive PCs just to get the XP Pro downgrade with the Vista upgrade option instead of raw Vista, (non)performance of the financial industry and US economy as a whole, increasing rate of inflation (which is being masked as an increasing amount of fuel and food items as a percentage of purchases are removed from the total bundle of goods to adjust for market conditions), civil rights being stripped away from US citizens under the pretense of being necessary to save us from the terrorists, we don't get it response to M$ advertisements, success of Apple ads, success of Linux despite no real ads, the persistently long not-so-slow slide of the US dollar's exchange rate against other currencies, or name whatever other crisis you want? On the bright side, I can still deploy compiled VFP apps without paying any additional fees to M$ g... lol! Gil, I'm amused by the phrase increasing at an increasing rate... Would there ever be a situation where it's decreasing at an increasing rate. ??? g ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Rick: I love commercials, especially good ones. Ones that get your attention, you can remember the product, and you want to buy the product or service. Two out of three ain't bad. ;^) Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] SanDC, Inc. 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 Phoenix Python User Group - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rick Schummer wrote: Heh Jeff, It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. We have always said Microsoft takes three versions to get it right g. Commercials v3.0. Whether you think they are good or not, whether you think people are getting paid for their endorsement or not, these commercials are working because they are generating threads like this on forums, and blogs, and twitter, and other social networking sites, and come up in conversations among people. Cracks me up. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Rick Schummer wrote: Whether you think they are good or not, whether you think people are getting paid for their endorsement or not, these commercials are working because they are generating threads like this on forums, and blogs, and twitter, and other social networking sites, and come up in conversations among people. Cracks me up. That's true. BSODs, virus infections, Freemanizing disks - all those things resulted in people talking about Microsoft. How silly of us to realize that these weren't failures, but rather that they were by design in order to generate buzz about Microsoft. What crap will they come up with next to get us talking about them? -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:42 AM, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: So what? The MAC vs. PC commercial actors are all paid too. I don't see the point of your comment. Really? The Apple ads are not in any way attempting to portray the actors as ordinary, regular people. Did you not pick up on that? I just assumed that anyone with enough brains to figure out how to turn on a television in the first place would have been able to figure that out, too. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:42 AM, MB Software Solutions General Account wrote: lol! Gil, I'm amused by the phrase increasing at an increasing rate... Would there ever be a situation where it's decreasing at an increasing rate. ??? g Skip calculus class? Don't know the difference between a first and second derivative? -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What crap will they come up with next to get us talking about them? Well, they seem to keep you talking ... :) -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Did you not pick up on that? I just assumed that anyone with enough brains to figure out how to turn on a television in the first place TWEET! Ad hominem! Off-sides! OT! Yellow card! -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Ted Roche wrote: . Did you not pick up on that? I just assumed that anyone with enough brains to figure out how to turn on a television in the first place TWEET! Ad hominem! Off-sides! OT! Yellow card! I simply don't accept the premise that there is no such thing as a stupid question. nitpickIt's 'offside'/nitpick ;-) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Ted Roche wrote: What crap will they come up with next to get us talking about them? Well, they seem to keep you talking ... :) Yep, and before you know it, I'll be a Microsoft fanboi, too! -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ed Leafe wrote: Skip calculus class? Don't know the difference between a first and second derivative? The nightmares I had with calculus!!! Ugh...thanks for that unpleasant memory, Ed! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Q: What is the first derivative of a cow? A: Prime Rib! Dave Crozier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions General Account Sent: 25 September 2008 15:49 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft Commercials Ed Leafe wrote: Skip calculus class? Don't know the difference between a first and second derivative? The nightmares I had with calculus!!! Ugh...thanks for that unpleasant memory, Ed! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: Q: What is the first derivative of a cow? A: Prime Rib! Please don't go into the second derivative then! ;-) -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: What is the first derivative of a cow? A: Prime Rib! -- nope Milk! Second is Steak, roast, stew meat. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer Mimeo.com Memphis TN 901.246-0159 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Two out of three ain't bad. ;^) Thanks for the laughter Jeff. Seriously made me laugh out loud. As have several other posts in this thread. Ed as a Microsoft fanboy almost made me pull an abdominal muscle. g Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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lol! Gil, I'm amused by the phrase increasing at an increasing rate... Would there ever be a situation where it's decreasing at an increasing rate. ??? g Actually, yes. :) Suppose the stock market is dropping 10 points a day for a month. Then on day 32 it drops 11 points, then on day 33 it drops 12 points, on day 34 it drops 13 points. It's dropping (decreasing) at an increasing rate. When something increases at the same rate, velocity is constant, acceleration is 0. When velocity increases, acceleration is 0. When velocity decreases, acceleration is 0. And when acceleration increases well, that may be more than we all want to discuss right now. :) Whil ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Whil Hentzen wrote: Actually, yes. :) Suppose the stock market is dropping 10 points a day for a month. Then on day 32 it drops 11 points, then on day 33 it drops 12 points, on day 34 it drops 13 points. It's dropping (decreasing) at an increasing rate. When something increases at the same rate, velocity is constant, acceleration is 0. When velocity increases, acceleration is 0. When velocity decreases, acceleration is 0. And when acceleration increases well, that may be more than we all want to discuss right now. :) Whil Duh...of course! Consider me edu-ma-cated by them thar skollers on that Foxpro thingee website. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Whil Hentzen wrote: When something increases at the same rate, velocity is constant, acceleration is 0. When velocity increases, acceleration is 0. When velocity decreases, acceleration is 0. AKA deceleration. Peter This communication and the information it contains is intended for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed.Its contents are confidential and may be protected in law. Unauthorised use, copying or disclosure of any of it may be unlawful.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone or email. While Rajan Imports has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise the risk of virus transmission through email, we cannot accept liability for any damage which you sustain as a result of software viruses. It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they have adequate virus protection. www.rajan-group.co.uk Rajan Imports Ltd Head Office:61 Great Ducie Street, Manchester M3 1RR. Tel:0161 831 3700 Fax:0161 831 3715 London Office:17-19 Foley Street, London W1W 6DW Tel:0207 299 7960 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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At 09:23 AM 9/25/2008 -0400, Rick Schummer wrote: Heh Jeff, It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. We have always said Microsoft takes three versions to get it right g. Commercials v3.0. Whether you think they are good or not, whether you think people are getting paid for their endorsement or not, these commercials are working because they are generating threads like this on ... Well, hehe, I'm not sure I'd agree with that. In the past few client meetings I've had, and at other consulting sites, I've brought up the MS commercials. I asked 'em Did you understand it? They generally replied, No. I can't make sense out of it. To which I reply, And you think you'd want to base your business on software written by such a company? At which point they fall silent. Then Linux gets some play. Of course commercials and software are completely different. However, to the PHB's out there, it's all jumbled together. So those commercials probably opened the eyes of some of these PHB's and they're starting to understand why they need to move off MS. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Whether you think they are good or not, whether you think people are getting paid for their endorsement or not, these commercials are working because they are generating threads like this on forums, and blogs, and twitter, and other social networking sites, and come up in conversations among people. Cracks me up. The ordinary people I talk to don't understand this ad either. They don't know what a PC is. They call it a computer. Only industry types know that IBM introduced a micro computer in the 1980s called a Personal Computer (PC) and that Windows is an operating system that works on clones of these PCs. By the time you get to the part in the ad where they show that it's about Windows, they've already lost most of these people's attention. Ken Dibble www.stic-cil.org ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Jeff Johnson wrote: I just saw a new Microsoft commercial. Everyone - including Bill Gates - says I'm a PC. It will be interesting to see how they move to plan C. They should probably suspend all advertising campaigns until this crisis is over. Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
