Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Bill Anderson]

Ted,

>> The company is based in the Seychelles, with whom I have little
experience.<<

That's enough to keep me away.

Search for "Erik Prince" Seychelles

Bill Anderson

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:03 AM, Ted Roche  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> >
> > So far, Remote Utilities (yeah, goofy name, but that's what they call it)
> > seems to be the front runner. In case this helps someone else I'll keep
> you
> > posted.
> >
>
> Wow, RU seems too good to be true! Which should make a reasonable
> person cautious.
>
> It seems to work on something like the Skype model, where both sides
> need to "phone home" to their central server in order to connect
> through a firewall. And they seem to offer a version of their RU
> server so you could self-support if needed (note: that server would
> need to be outside the local firewalls). I am concerned about the
> security issues: this software would have complete access to the
> network and communicates over the internet, so requires a great deal
> of trust. The company is based in the Seychelles, with whom I have
> little experience.
>
> Reviews look good. Please keep us updated on what you find.
>
> --
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> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com
>
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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Mike]

Right you areit does seem to be very capable for a ridiculous price.

Unfortunately, while it will create a shortcut for the desktop that will 
take you directly to the desired remote computer's desktop (this is 
EXACTLY what I'm looking for), that same double-click of the shortcut 
insists on also opening the management window where the user would have 
access to all the other systems that have been set up.


So, onward I look.

Mike


Ted Roche wrote:

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Mike  wrote:


So far, Remote Utilities (yeah, goofy name, but that's what they call it)
seems to be the front runner. In case this helps someone else I'll keep you
posted.


Wow, RU seems too good to be true! Which should make a reasonable
person cautious.

It seems to work on something like the Skype model, where both sides
need to "phone home" to their central server in order to connect
through a firewall. And they seem to offer a version of their RU
server so you could self-support if needed (note: that server would
need to be outside the local firewalls). I am concerned about the
security issues: this software would have complete access to the
network and communicates over the internet, so requires a great deal
of trust. The company is based in the Seychelles, with whom I have
little experience.

Reviews look good. Please keep us updated on what you find.




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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Mike]

Thanks, Peter! I'm still looking (after taking a short break to deal 
with more pressing matters.)


Mike


Peter Cushing wrote:

On 06/11/2017 08:38, Alan Bourke wrote:

Take a look at Thinstuff maybe.

http://www.thinstuff.com/products

Uses RDP but far cheaper than implementing a Microsoft RDP server setup.
Works fine for VFP applications.

We use this and it works great.  We also use RDP guard to stop brute 
force attacks etc.


https://rdpguard.com/

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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

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On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Mike  wrote:

>
> So far, Remote Utilities (yeah, goofy name, but that's what they call it)
> seems to be the front runner. In case this helps someone else I'll keep you
> posted.
>

Wow, RU seems too good to be true! Which should make a reasonable
person cautious.

It seems to work on something like the Skype model, where both sides
need to "phone home" to their central server in order to connect
through a firewall. And they seem to offer a version of their RU
server so you could self-support if needed (note: that server would
need to be outside the local firewalls). I am concerned about the
security issues: this software would have complete access to the
network and communicates over the internet, so requires a great deal
of trust. The company is based in the Seychelles, with whom I have
little experience.

Reviews look good. Please keep us updated on what you find.

-- 
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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

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On 06/11/2017 08:38, Alan Bourke wrote:

Take a look at Thinstuff maybe.

http://www.thinstuff.com/products

Uses RDP but far cheaper than implementing a Microsoft RDP server setup.
Works fine for VFP applications.

We use this and it works great.  We also use RDP guard to stop brute 
force attacks etc.


https://rdpguard.com/

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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Mike]

Thanks, Ted.

Unfortunately, the app that is creating the problem (using DBFs) is not 
something I created or have the desire (or authority) to replace. It's 
an appliance repair application that schedules in-home service calls, 
manages repair parts inventory, billing, technician routing, etc, etc, etc.


I'm pretty much stuck with providing RDP-like services from the remote 
locations to the city where the data resides.


And, as I said in my other response, the author claims to be porting the 
application over to "the cloud" so that the service techs will have 
real-time access via a cellphone hotspot to create invoices in the home, 
etc. But, the best laid plans of mice and men tend to be delayed...


Mike


Ted Roche wrote:

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Mike  wrote:

If anyone else has any tips on other applications, I'd appreciate hearing
about it/them.


Building on the idea you already have the VPN installed, so you've got
encrypted tunneling and authentication taken care of, "all you need to
do" (I love when my clients start a sentence that way!) is reach the
app over that VPN.

Since Thierry seems to be taking the day off  I'd suggest you set
up FoxInCloud to work as an *INTRANET* application: the remote
workstations could use a browser to access the app. You solve the
latency and bandwidth problems of sharing DBFs.




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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

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On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> If anyone else has any tips on other applications, I'd appreciate hearing
> about it/them.
>

Building on the idea you already have the VPN installed, so you've got
encrypted tunneling and authentication taken care of, "all you need to
do" (I love when my clients start a sentence that way!) is reach the
app over that VPN.

Since Thierry seems to be taking the day off  I'd suggest you set
up FoxInCloud to work as an *INTRANET* application: the remote
workstations could use a browser to access the app. You solve the
latency and bandwidth problems of sharing DBFs.

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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Mike]

Thanks, Alan! It does look promising!

Mike


Alan Bourke wrote:

Take a look at Thinstuff maybe.

http://www.thinstuff.com/products

Uses RDP but far cheaper than implementing a Microsoft RDP server setup.
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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Mike]

Dave,

Thanks! That aligns with what I experienced as I played with Splashtop. 
Great program, great price, but doesn't fit this niche.


So far, Remote Utilities (yeah, goofy name, but that's what they call 
it) seems to be the front runner. In case this helps someone else I'll 
keep you posted.


If anyone else has any tips on other applications, I'd appreciate 
hearing about it/them.


Mike


Dave Crozier wrote:

Mike,
Everything in Splashtop has to be done through the main Splashtop Module (Splashtop 
Business) which holds a directory of "remote machines" and it is this that sets 
up the remote connection. So in answer to your question it is not possible to simple set 
up a one to one shortcut on the desktop to automatically connect.

Within the Splashtop Business module you hold a registry of all the remote 
machines (Icons and the PC's status Off/ONLINE) so choosing the remote PC is 
somply a case of selecting the remote machine and clicking the icon which will 
remote connect automatically. The remote PC can be set up to connect without 
any interaction at the other end and to either blank or leave the remote screen 
as available during the remote session so no need to have an operator at the 
remote end to authorise you.

I have about 30 remote PC's configured in my Business Splashtop program which I 
can remote into at any time but only to one machine at a time.

Note there are restrictions on the number of people who can use the Business 
Splashtop session at the same time. I only require one i.e myself but I have it 
installed on a multitude of PC's and phones/tablets. The cost to use Business 
Splashtop for me is £80 UK Pounds per year but increases for multiple 
technicians to use as I stated.

Hope this helps. Ask away if you require more info.

Dave




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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Mike
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Subject: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

Does anyone have experience with Splashtop remote software and understand their 
offerings enough to comment? I currently use $LOGMEIN$$

After comments here about (and researching) Splashtop, I'm convinced it could 
be a viable solution for a LOT less $$$ than Logmein.
But I have one specific scenario that I can't get an answer (from
Splashtop) about.

I have about 50 end users that are in City A, and need to connect to computers 
in City B to run an application that still uses DBF files.
I think it's a Clipper app, it uses NDX files, too.

With Logmein it's very easy to
a) install Logmein on both 'ends' of the connection (computer in City A, 
computer in City B)
b) place a shortcut on the desktop of the workstation in City A that links that 
workstation to a specific computer in City B
c) the end user double-clicks 

RE: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Dave Crozier]

Mike,
Everything in Splashtop has to be done through the main Splashtop Module 
(Splashtop Business) which holds a directory of "remote machines" and it is 
this that sets up the remote connection. So in answer to your question it is 
not possible to simple set up a one to one shortcut on the desktop to 
automatically connect.

Within the Splashtop Business module you hold a registry of all the remote 
machines (Icons and the PC's status Off/ONLINE) so choosing the remote PC is 
somply a case of selecting the remote machine and clicking the icon which will 
remote connect automatically. The remote PC can be set up to connect without 
any interaction at the other end and to either blank or leave the remote screen 
as available during the remote session so no need to have an operator at the 
remote end to authorise you.

I have about 30 remote PC's configured in my Business Splashtop program which I 
can remote into at any time but only to one machine at a time.

Note there are restrictions on the number of people who can use the Business 
Splashtop session at the same time. I only require one i.e myself but I have it 
installed on a multitude of PC's and phones/tablets. The cost to use Business 
Splashtop for me is £80 UK Pounds per year but increases for multiple 
technicians to use as I stated.

Hope this helps. Ask away if you require more info.

Dave




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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Mike
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Subject: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

Does anyone have experience with Splashtop remote software and understand their 
offerings enough to comment? I currently use $LOGMEIN$$

After comments here about (and researching) Splashtop, I'm convinced it could 
be a viable solution for a LOT less $$$ than Logmein.
But I have one specific scenario that I can't get an answer (from
Splashtop) about.

I have about 50 end users that are in City A, and need to connect to computers 
in City B to run an application that still uses DBF files.
I think it's a Clipper app, it uses NDX files, too.

With Logmein it's very easy to
a) install Logmein on both 'ends' of the connection (computer in City A, 
computer in City B)
b) place a shortcut on the desktop of the workstation in City A that links that 
workstation to a specific computer in City B
c) the end user double-clicks shortcut, it connects after password entry, and 
they have their own private remote session.

How would that be done with Splashtop?
Would it be best to set up individual accounts for each City A remote 
workstation?

I've looked through Splashtop's offerings and I don't really see that they 
address this scenario. I've talked to three different "pre sales techs" on 
their webchat and none of them grasped what the 

Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Ted Roche]

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> I have tried using RDP in the past, and found it to be quite a pain to set
> up with all the port assignments. It works well enough, but I didn't think
> printing was included? I'll revisit it. (I assume you're talking about
> Microsoft RDP that is built into Windows?)
>

In the Remote Desktop app, the second or third tab is "Local
Resources" or something like that, and there's a checkbox for
"Printers"

A few versions ago, remote printing was a nightmare, but this has
worked for us. IIRC, if you're using 3rd party (vendor-supplied)
printer drivers locally, you need to do something to supply them to
the side that's actually doing the work, as they get loaded on the fly
and then unloaded as part of the RDP session. But check up on that, as
it's likely "legacy knowledge" as well.


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Take a look at Thinstuff maybe.

http://www.thinstuff.com/products

Uses RDP but far cheaper than implementing a Microsoft RDP server setup.
Works fine for VFP applications.

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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Mike]

Ted,

Thanks!

Not silly...I already have a VPN set up between the remote locations, 
and as you point out it is unusable for applications which use large DBF 
files for storage. The throughput, even with 100MB cloud connectivity 
speeds on both ends, is just abysmal.


I have tried using RDP in the past, and found it to be quite a pain to 
set up with all the port assignments. It works well enough, but I didn't 
think printing was included? I'll revisit it. (I assume you're talking 
about Microsoft RDP that is built into Windows?)


Thanks again.

Mike C

PS. I've gone through pretty much all of the online-info for Splashtop 
and have come to the conclusion that it won't work. Have moved on to 
RealVNC...



Ted Roche wrote:

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Mike  wrote:

I have about 50 end users that are in City A, and need to connect to
computers in City B to run an application that still uses DBF files.
I think it's a Clipper app, it uses NDX files, too.

And before anyone suggests other solutions (software) I have to have remote
printing, which seems to be somewhat rare...


Hi, Mike:

Let me make a silly suggestion...

Use a Virtual Private Network solution to allow the two Cities to
share the same network, well virtually, and privately.

I don't think it's practical, even with "high-speed" networking, to
share a DBF-using application over long distance. Timing and latency
could lead to pretty difficult to debug problems.

How about an RDP server at the City B with the DBF files? I'm not sure
what the license cost is for 50 seats, but I know remote printing
works fine.





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Re: NF - Splashtop Remote software use

[Ted Roche]

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> I have about 50 end users that are in City A, and need to connect to
> computers in City B to run an application that still uses DBF files.
> I think it's a Clipper app, it uses NDX files, too.
>
> And before anyone suggests other solutions (software) I have to have remote
> printing, which seems to be somewhat rare...
>

Hi, Mike:

Let me make a silly suggestion...

Use a Virtual Private Network solution to allow the two Cities to
share the same network, well virtually, and privately.

I don't think it's practical, even with "high-speed" networking, to
share a DBF-using application over long distance. Timing and latency
could lead to pretty difficult to debug problems.

How about an RDP server at the City B with the DBF files? I'm not sure
what the license cost is for 50 seats, but I know remote printing
works fine.


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Ted Roche
Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com

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