Re: [PEDA] PCB houses
FWIW, I've used http://e-teknet.com/ProductPCB.htm for prototypes. They are incredibly cost efficient and their boards are first rate. Much better than those I've used domestically and 1/5 the price! Regards Ken Henrich * Tracking #: 9B985D010C59D440A03FBC5C04B4201ACF68 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] help, how do i make rectangular holes in components and on the pcb itself?
Mr. Lyons, Thanks for the advice. No, it is a double sided pth. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: Pat Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:59 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] help, how do i make rectangular holes in components and on the pcb itself? On Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:29:42 -0400, Ken Henrich wrote: Hi I want to make rectangular holes in pads for components with metal tabs. For instance, a hole 40mils by 120 mils. Can this be done in Protel 99SE? BTW, is hole the proper nomeclature for this? thanks and regards Ken You didn't mention weather it was a multilayer board. If it is, I just wanted to point out that Protel doesn't recognize the slot and you will have to add clearances on plane layers and keepouts on signal layers. P Lyons Jayhawk Design * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] help, how do i make rectangular holes in components and on the pcb itself?
Hi I want to make rectangular holes in pads for components with metal tabs. For instance, a hole 40mils by 120 mils. Can this be done in Protel 99SE? BTW, is hole the proper nomeclature for this? thanks and regards Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] help, how do i make rectangular holes in components and on the pcb itself?
Thanks all, It's a good sanity check to have so many others tell you what you suspect to be the case. I like the drill idea and will use it. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: Peter Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:53 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] help, how do i make rectangular holes in components and on the pcb itself? Hello Ken, Friday, June 7, 2002, 7:29:42 AM, you wrote: Hi I want to make rectangular holes in pads for components with metal tabs. For instance, a hole 40mils by 120 mils. Can this be done in Protel 99SE? BTW, is hole the proper nomeclature for this? thanks and regards Ken Unfortunately, rectangular drills are quite rare, as they can only be made from unobtainium. :-) The board maker will have to mill the slots. You will have to discuss this with him, and determine how narrow a slot he can safely mill, and how he wants it documented. Protel doesn't know about milled slots, so there is no built-in way to indicate them. One way may be to use two pads with round holes (of a unique size) indicating the ends of the slot. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEIVancouver, B.C., Canada GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver-webpages.com/van-ps * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] simcode
Hi Mike, Thanks for the reply. Have you found any other description of simcode aside from that which is in the Protel manual? Regards Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] simcode
Hi, Does anyone know of a better simcode description than that in the Protel handbook? Regards Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] need help with Setup Mechanical Layers, please
Brad, Abdulrahman, I've read both of your responses and done some investigation. Here is what I have found. I first checked my settings as identified by Abdulrahmam. I found: Tools/Preferences/Color - all set to a visible color Layer visibility - all enabled Tools/preferences/show/hide- all set to final Tools/preferences/display - unchecked Transparent layers - unchecked Then I checked Brad's assertion. Indeed mech layers 1 - 5 display. Layers higher than 5 do not unless the tab on the bottom of the window is clicked. Poking around a bit, I found an option Tools/preferences/displays/layer/dwg order. Examining the list shows that only Mech Layers 1 thru 4 are listed. Does this indicate that indeed higher mech layers are not drawn? Note the anomaly for mech layer 5. It does draw, but is not in the list. Thanks for your consideration, gentlemen. Ken -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 4:16 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] need help with Setup Mechanical Layers, please Ken, now I understand your problem, yes I have experienced this as well. The layers that you cannot get to display all at once are undoubtedly the mechanical layers 5 - 16. These were the new additional layers added in P99(SE?). I am unsure if it is a programming deficiency (I highly suspect this) or if it may be a display problem with certain graphics cards and Protel. If I am correct, layers 5 - 16 will display if they are the current layer, if they are not the current layer and you redraw the screen, they will in all likelihood disappear. Right? Comments anyone, does everybody experience this aberration? Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8. -Original Message- From: Ken Henrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:56 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] need help with Setup Mechanical Layers, please Brad, Abdulrahman, After reading your replies, some of my confusion has been dispelled. I agree with you that if the mechanical layer set-up is greyed out, that there are primitives on that layer. I only have two mechanical layers with nothing on them. These are indeed selectable. Back to my display problem. I have used the mechanical layers to create drawings. For instance, one layer is the drawing template, another is text with board specifications, others are titles with page numbers and so on. When I go into preview, I combine the layers that I need to generate the desired drawing. In preview, I have no problem getting the data to appear. However, in the PCB edit mode, I cannot get every layer to display at once. If I could, I would get everything that I have placed on every layer. I do have all mechanical layers visible in the mechanical layers setup dialog. In the design/options dialog I set use all layers. Now even though all the layers do not display, if I scan with the mouse, an area known to have a primitive I will see it pop up in the status display. I can then click the mouse and edit its properties normally. When I close the properties box, the primitive displays. When I hit view/refresh, it disappears. This board is a simple 2 layer board. Layers directly associated with the board always show. (top bottom, silkscreen ) I'm using sp6 on a win2k box. Thanks for your help. Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Solution to Setup Mechanical Layers
Anthony, Brad, Abdulrahman Thanks for the posts, and disregard my last post discovering the drawing order. I have incorporated the changes to the ini file, and all is well. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: Anthony Whitesell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 4:38 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Solution to Setup Mechanical Layers Ken, I had this problem myself a while back. Mechanical Layer 1-4 work fine, but 5-16 disappear when refreshed using View - Refresh. When I was investigating this I had to flip though each layer using the + key to refresh the board, because view - refresh was not setup correctly. The problem is that the layer drawing order does not contain the mechanical layers beyond layer 4. (When Protel increased to 16 mechancial layers they forgot to add them to the layer drawing order in the INI file). Check under TOOLS - PREFERENCES - DISPLAY - LAYER DRAWING ORDER and see if all of your (mechanical) layers are listed there. I had to manually edit the ADVPCB99SE.INI file and change some of the LayerDrawingOrderxx=xx because there is no add button beacuse all of the layers SHOULD be listed. It represents the list of the layers in the board and the order they are to be drawn. Below is a copy of the layer drawing order from my modified INI file: LayerDrawingOrder0=76 LayerDrawingOrder1=33 LayerDrawingOrder2=74 LayerDrawingOrder3=34 LayerDrawingOrder4=75 LayerDrawingOrder5=0 LayerDrawingOrder6=1 LayerDrawingOrder7=2 LayerDrawingOrder8=3 LayerDrawingOrder9=4 LayerDrawingOrder10=5 LayerDrawingOrder11=6 LayerDrawingOrder12=7 LayerDrawingOrder13=8 LayerDrawingOrder14=9 LayerDrawingOrder15=10 LayerDrawingOrder16=11 LayerDrawingOrder17=12 LayerDrawingOrder18=13 LayerDrawingOrder19=14 LayerDrawingOrder20=15 LayerDrawingOrder21=32 LayerDrawingOrder22=35 LayerDrawingOrder23=36 LayerDrawingOrder24=37 LayerDrawingOrder25=38 LayerDrawingOrder26=39 LayerDrawingOrder27=40 LayerDrawingOrder28=41 LayerDrawingOrder29=42 LayerDrawingOrder30=55 LayerDrawingOrder31=56 LayerDrawingOrder32=57 LayerDrawingOrder33=58 LayerDrawingOrder34=59 LayerDrawingOrder35=60 LayerDrawingOrder36=73 LayerDrawingOrder37=79 LayerDrawingOrder38=61 LayerDrawingOrder39=62 LayerDrawingOrder40=63 LayerDrawingOrder41=64 LayerDrawingOrder42=65 LayerDrawingOrder43=66 LayerDrawingOrder44=67 LayerDrawingOrder45=68 LayerDrawingOrder46=69 LayerDrawingOrder47=70 LayerDrawingOrder48=71 LayerDrawingOrder49=72 LayerDrawingOrder50=76 LayerDrawingOrder51=76 LayerDrawingOrder52=76 LayerDrawingOrder53=76 LayerDrawingOrder54=76 LayerDrawingOrder55=76 LayerDrawingOrder56=76 LayerDrawingOrder57=76 LayerDrawingOrder58=76 LayerDrawingOrder59=76 LayerDrawingOrder60=76 LayerDrawingOrder61=76 LayerDrawingOrder62=76 LayerDrawingOrder63=76 LayerDrawingOrder64=76 LayerDrawingOrder65=76 LayerDrawingOrder66=76 LayerDrawingOrder67=76 LayerDrawingOrder68=76 LayerDrawingOrder69=76 LayerDrawingOrder70=76 LayerDrawingOrder71=76 LayerDrawingOrder72=76 LayerDrawingOrder73=76 LayerDrawingOrder74=76 LayerDrawingOrder75=76 LayerDrawingOrder76=76 LayerDrawingOrder77=76 LayerDrawingOrder78=76 LayerDrawingOrder79=76 LayerDrawingOrder80=76 LayerDrawingOrder81=76 LayerDrawingOrder82=76 The trouble should lie in LayerDrawingOrder number 38 to 49. Originally mine were equal to 76 (no layer?) I changed them to 61 to 72 (Mechanical Layers 5 to 16). I found that Layer 60 is Mechanical Layer 4, then it skipped to 73 (Drill Drawing Layer). I added 61 to 72 (Mechanical Layers 5 to 16) and all is well now. Good Luck. Anthony Whitesell Sunrise Labs -Original Message- From: Ken Henrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 3:56 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] need help with Setup Mechanical Layers, please Bran, Abdulrahman, After reading your replies, some of my confusion has been dispelled. I agree with you that if the mechanical layer set-up is greyed out, that there are primitives on that layer. I only have two mechanical layers with nothing on them. These are indeed selectable. Back to my display problem. I have used the mechanical layers to create drawings. For instance, one layer is the drawing template, another is text with board specifications, others are titles with page numbers and so on. When I go into preview, I combine the layers that I need to generate the desired drawing. In preview, I have no problem getting the data to appear. However, in the PCB edit mode, I cannot get every layer to display at once. If I could, I would get everything that I have placed on every layer. I do have all mechanical layers visible in the mechanical layers setup dialog. In the design/options dialog I set use all layers. Now even though all the layers do not display, if I scan with the mouse, an area known to have a primitive I will see it pop up in the status display. I can then click the mouse and edit its properties normally. When I close the properties box, the primitive
Re: [PEDA] need help with Setup Mechanical Layers, please
Bran, Abdulrahman, After reading your replies, some of my confusion has been dispelled. I agree with you that if the mechanical layer set-up is greyed out, that there are primitives on that layer. I only have two mechanical layers with nothing on them. These are indeed selectable. Back to my display problem. I have used the mechanical layers to create drawings. For instance, one layer is the drawing template, another is text with board specifications, others are titles with page numbers and so on. When I go into preview, I combine the layers that I need to generate the desired drawing. In preview, I have no problem getting the data to appear. However, in the PCB edit mode, I cannot get every layer to display at once. If I could, I would get everything that I have placed on every layer. I do have all mechanical layers visible in the mechanical layers setup dialog. In the design/options dialog I set use all layers. Now even though all the layers do not display, if I scan with the mouse, an area known to have a primitive I will see it pop up in the status display. I can then click the mouse and edit its properties normally. When I close the properties box, the primitive displays. When I hit view/refresh, it disappears. This board is a simple 2 layer board. Layers directly associated with the board always show. (top bottom, silkscreen ) I'm using sp6 on a win2k box. Thanks for your help. Ken -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:46 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] need help with Setup Mechanical Layers, please Ken, Abd-ulRahman, The description of the issue does not make a lot of sense to me. I note that if I have any primitives on a mechanical layer, the layer name in the mechanical layer set-up is greyed out. I have always interpreted this as the layer is in use and cannot be disabled. When a layer name is not greyed, then there are no primitives on that layer and it can be disabled or unchecked. Possibly Ken has mechanical layers color set to the same color as his background making them essential invisible? This would not let them be seen visually in the display but they would still be visible in a preview print. Other then this, I don't know! Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth 323 at Satellite 2002 in Washington, DC March 6-8. -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:08 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] need help with Setup Mechanical Layers, please At 10:26 AM 2/13/2002 -0500, Ken Henrich wrote: Hi, When I open the Setup Mechanical Layers dialog box, many of the Mechanical xx titles are greyed as is the associated checkbox which is checked. Only two of these layers appear ungreyed and are displayable. All of the other greyed layers cannot be viewed in the pcb view though they can be used in a preview. Weird. The checkbox is greyed if primitives exist. What version Protel? 99SE? SP6? The reported behavior is not normal for SP6. What is the setting for the mech layers involved in Design/Options/Layers? The reported behavior would occur if those layers were not enabled there, except for the greying of the title, so I suspect that Mr. Henrich may have erred about that, or he does not have SP6, or his installation is trashed and he needs a reinstall. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Does anyone have fixed spice simulation libraries for the basic components?
Hi Apparently, the libs supplied are not complete. Only some of the parts work. Has anyone, including Protel, fixed this? tia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Does anyone have fixed spice simulation libraries for the basic components?
Thanks Rob for the reply. Apparently, other library symbols were being used instead of those from the sim.ddb. After I cleared out all libraries and updated all symbols, the right ones were found and simulated properly. Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:40 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Does anyone have fixed spice simulation libraries for the basic components? Which libraries? Some libraries don't have simulatoin info, and others do. The ISOI libraries have simulation info where the manufacturer has published it, but you need to pull the simulation files out into the proper directory for them to work. The simulation library does work fine. Again what parts and which libraries will help to know. Rob * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] how to kill a spice simulation
Hi all, Does anyone know how to kill a spice simulation that is taking too long? tia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] cutting a hole in the soldermask
Hi, I've been unsuccessful in pulling the solder mask back around mounting holes to let the ground plane through. My method was to place a keep out circle around the hole on the solder mask layer and generate the ground plane. What did I do wrong? Thanks for your help. Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Possible Protel Win2K conflict.
Re: Protel 99SE w/ or w/o sp6 Windows 2000 pro Hi: I have found that when Protel is installed on a Win 2k machine, MY COMPUTER/MANAGE stops working. It causes a message that one of the files is missing. Furthermore, many of the Windows 2K resource kit also stop working. Removing Protel and restoring the registry fixes the problem. Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone know how to fix it? Regards Ken -Original Message- From: Will Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:54 PM To: Protel Users Mailing List Subject: [PEDA] How to set the Auto-Placer to avoid superposing component ? Hello, My PCB only contains 55 components, so I use the Cluster Auto Placer (but I have not checked the Quick Placement option). I have set the placement Design Rules so I should get a 1 mm component clearance. I have also specified that component must be placed on the Top Layer, in a Room. But when I launch the Auto-Placer, What I get is clusters of superposed components, mainly outside the Room (they should be inside). What can I do to get my components properly placed ? And how can I know that the autoplacement is complete ? And last : is it possible to open another design while the autoplacer is running ? Thanks in advance -- Nicolas. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=ave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Protel Win2K conflict.
Thanks Andy With or without it running. BTW, this has happend on two different machines. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: Andy Gulliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:17 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Possible Protel Win2K conflict. I can open the management window, and browse OK on my P99SE/Win2k system - is there any specific action that causes the problem? Is it with or without P99SE actually running? Regards Andy Gulliver -Original Message- From: Ken Henrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 April 2001 13:42 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Possible Protel Win2K conflict. Re:Protel 99SE w/ or w/o sp6 Windows 2000 pro Hi: I have found that when Protel is installed on a Win 2k machine, MY COMPUTER/MANAGE stops working. It causes a message that one of the files is missing. Furthermore, many of the Windows 2K resource kit also stop working. Removing Protel and restoring the registry fixes the problem. Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone know how to fix it? Regards Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Protel Win2K conflict.
Bingo Dwight! This is exactly the problem. There are other ways to manage the computer, yours is one. However, I also see that the Win2K resource kit also suffered, in that some of its components will not run. So I wonder what happened in the registry and what needs to be done to fix it. Thanks for the reply. Ken -Original Message- From: Dwight Harm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:52 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Possible Protel Win2K conflict. Interesting... I had never tried that function before, but it does FAIL on my machine that has P99SEsp6 installed, and works on two other machines w/o Protel, but there are a lot of other differences between the machines. FTR, the message (which occurs immediately upon selecting Manage from the rt-click list), says: Cannot find the file '(null)' (or one of its components). Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries are available. But since I don't use it, I'm not going to uninstall Protel to see if it fixes it. Workarounds: double-click (or make short-cut to) winnt\system32\compmgmt.msc; or run mmc.exe and open that file. [I thought possibly Protel had changed the .msc association, but that's not the case.] P.S. When using reply to post a new message, pls delete the irrelevant original message! -Original Message- From: Ken Henrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:42 AM Re:Protel 99SE w/ or w/o sp6 Windows 2000 pro Hi: I have found that when Protel is installed on a Win 2k machine, MY COMPUTER/MANAGE stops working. It causes a message that one of the files is missing. Furthermore, many of the Windows 2K resource kit also stop working. Removing Protel and restoring the registry fixes the problem. Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone know how to fix it? Regards Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Possible Protel Win2K conflict. - possible fix
Hi, I have done some more testing on the phenomena. First, I use system backup to save all system files and the registry. Next I install Protel 99se. After install, MY COMPUTER/MANAGE works. I reboot. Now MY COMPUTER/MANAGE does not work. I restore the system files and the registry. Now it works again. I install SP6. Now it does not work. I restore the system files and the registry. Now it works. Guess what? So does Protel! Here is my suggestion: Backup system state with MS Backup Install Protel Install SP6 Restore system state with MS Backup Caveats: 1. If your system is already degraded, this will not fix it. 2. I have not done detailed investigations to know what this does so there may be further surprizes. Regards Ken * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
