[Prototype-core] Re: New Name for Users Group (RoR Spinoffs)
My vote is for Super Thunderbots Attack Squadron 3000 If no one votes for that though, I'd settle for Prototype and Scriptaculous Users On 6/17/08, T.J. Crowder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I've been chatting today with Tobie about renaming / replacing the RoR Spinoffs mailing list (there's a thread about it over there[1]). Rationale and discussion over there, but the short version is that pretty much everyone agrees we should do it, and so Tobie and I were talking about mechanics and transition. So we need to think of a new name. I made a suggestion in the thread, I made a suggestion that no one really commented on either way. I'll revise it slightly: My suggestion is Prototype and Scriptaculous Users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Boring, but fairly clear. Tobie suggested we should discuss the name here. What do you think? Better ideas? -- T.J. Crowder tj / crowder software / com [1] - http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs/browse_thread/thread/0732340bedfdd74b# -- Ryan Gahl Manager, Senior Software Engineer Nth Penguin, LLC http://www.nthpenguin.com -- WebWidgetry.com / MashupStudio.com Future Home of the World's First Complete Web Platform -- Inquire: 1-920-574-2218 Blog: http://www.someElement.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryangahl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: New Name for Users Group (RoR Spinoffs)
+1 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] it's kinda clear :) 2008/6/17 Walter Lee Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ++ for the attack squadron. Keep 'em guessing. TJ, your name will do in a pinch. Walter On Jun 17, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Ryan Gahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote is for Super Thunderbots Attack Squadron 3000 If no one votes for that though, I'd settle for Prototype and Scriptaculous Users On 6/17/08, T.J. Crowder [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I've been chatting today with Tobie about renaming / replacing the RoR Spinoffs mailing list (there's a thread about it over there[1]). Rationale and discussion over there, but the short version is that pretty much everyone agrees we should do it, and so Tobie and I were talking about mechanics and transition. So we need to think of a new name. I made a suggestion in the thread, I made a suggestion that no one really commented on either way. I'll revise it slightly: My suggestion is Prototype and Scriptaculous Users ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Boring, but fairly clear. Tobie suggested we should discuss the name here. What do you think? Better ideas? -- T.J. Crowder tj / crowder software / com [1] - http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs/browse_thread/thread/0732340bedfdd74b# http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs/browse_thread/thread/0732340bedfdd74b# -- WebWidgetry.com / MashupStudio.com Future Home of the World's First Complete Web Platform -- Inquire: 1-920-574-2218 Blog: http://www.someElement.comhttp://www.someElement.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryangahl http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryangahl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: New Name for Users Group (RoR Spinoffs)
For keeping them all guessing ... 'Your Sprout, A Sceptic Plot' 2008/6/17 kangax [EMAIL PROTECTED]: TJ, Why users postfix? : ) Why not just Prototype Scriptaculous? - kangax On Jun 17, 1:57 pm, T.J. Crowder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I've been chatting today with Tobie about renaming / replacing the RoR Spinoffs mailing list (there's a thread about it over there[1]). Rationale and discussion over there, but the short version is that pretty much everyone agrees we should do it, and so Tobie and I were talking about mechanics and transition. So we need to think of a new name. I made a suggestion in the thread, I made a suggestion that no one really commented on either way. I'll revise it slightly: My suggestion is Prototype and Scriptaculous Users ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Boring, but fairly clear. Tobie suggested we should discuss the name here. What do you think? Better ideas? -- T.J. Crowder tj / crowder software / com [1] - http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-spinoffs/browse_thread/thr... -- - Richard Quadling Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498r=213474731 Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: New Name for Users Group (RoR Spinoffs)
On Jun 17, 8:46 pm, kangax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just Prototype Scriptaculous? Just to differentiate from Core. -- T.J. Crowder tj / crowder software / com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: New Name for Users Group (RoR Spinoffs)
I'd go for Prototype script.aculo.us. The distinction from core isn't that important afaik. Tobie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: Prototype vs Ext
Long story short, I have been using both for almost as long as either of them have been around. Basically, Prototype provides a wonderful OO abstraction facility and DOM manipulation sugar, while Ext gives you a full set of excellently designed UI components. Ext's OO model is not as robust as Proto's. My biggest message to you would be that they are _not_ mutually exclusive, and in fact work very well together. On 6/17/08, Franck PORCHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just got on Ext and I'am studying its API out of sheer curiosity because I like its out-of-the-box UI facilities. It looks to me that Ext borrowed lots of things from Prototype, remixing the whole thing under its own kind of syntactic sugar layer, somehow less intuitive than Prototype. In a few words, and in whatever spare time you Core guys might have, what is the story behind these 2 frameworks, if any, how do they compare in the long run of javascript programming (if any kind of comparison was ever attempted), and how do you foresee the future of both. Franck PORCHER www / smartech / pf -- Ryan Gahl Manager, Senior Software Engineer Nth Penguin, LLC http://www.nthpenguin.com -- WebWidgetry.com / MashupStudio.com Future Home of the World's First Complete Web Platform -- Inquire: 1-920-574-2218 Blog: http://www.someElement.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryangahl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: Prototype vs Ext
On Jun 17, 6:42 pm, Franck PORCHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a few words, and in whatever spare time you Core guys might have, what is the story behind these 2 frameworks, if any, how do they compare in the long run of javascript programming (if any kind of comparison was ever attempted), and how do you foresee the future of both. Franck PORCHER www / smartech / pf Not sure what everyone else thinks. But, a good starting point might be: Prototype is free to use. Sure, Ext can be free, but only for free software projects (GPL3). Corporate licensing runs $540 for developer, $2000 for team, $7130 for workgroup, or $18,700 for enterprise. ...well, my wallet's screaming in pain! - Jon L. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: Prototype vs Ext
Your prices are a bit off, as you're citing the with full support prices. The vanilla pricing is $289, $1159, $4,999, and $14,449 respectively... And here's their high level explanation of when you have to pay for it: Based on the Quid Pro Quo principlehttp://www.extjs.com/company/dual.php, if you wish to derive a commercial advantage by not releasing your application under an open source license, you must purchase an appropriate number of commercial licenses from Ext. By purchasing commercial licenses, you are no longer obligated to publish your source code. So yes... it depends on what you're doing. If you are doing something commercially, and have a viable product/vision/market though, those prices are MORE than reasonable for the level of framework that is Ext. Anyway... sort of apples to oranges, as Proto is a baseline that handles OO abstraction, Ajax, and DOM manipulation in a cross browser manner, and Ext is more of a component library. On 6/17/08, Jon L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 17, 6:42 pm, Franck PORCHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a few words, and in whatever spare time you Core guys might have, what is the story behind these 2 frameworks, if any, how do they compare in the long run of javascript programming (if any kind of comparison was ever attempted), and how do you foresee the future of both. Franck PORCHER www / smartech / pf Not sure what everyone else thinks. But, a good starting point might be: Prototype is free to use. Sure, Ext can be free, but only for free software projects (GPL3). Corporate licensing runs $540 for developer, $2000 for team, $7130 for workgroup, or $18,700 for enterprise. ...well, my wallet's screaming in pain! - Jon L. -- Ryan Gahl Manager, Senior Software Engineer Nth Penguin, LLC http://www.nthpenguin.com -- WebWidgetry.com / MashupStudio.com Future Home of the World's First Complete Web Platform -- Inquire: 1-920-574-2218 Blog: http://www.someElement.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ryangahl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: Prototype vs Ext
Thanks Ryan. It's true, I love the feel of Prototype's OO model. I did some research and foudn in Ext's FAQ the following : /Up until version 1.0.1a, Ext required one of the following base libraries to be included: YUI, jQuery or Prototype/Script.aculo.us. Ext contains adapters that provide some of the basic plumbing utilities from those libraries, including Ajax support, animation, DOM manipulation, event handling, etc. Beginning with version 1.1, Ext includes a native Ext adapter, so the external libraries are no longer required(...)At the present time, Prototype/Scriptaculous support should still be considered experimental as there are several known bugs and unsupported functions that can cause problems with Ext./ Regarding your statement /My biggest message to you would be that they are _not_ mutually exclusive, and in fact work very well together/, looks like things are changing... Franck PORCHER www / smartech / pf -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: Prototype vs Ext
Hi Franck, Actually, live.chess.com is using both frameworks (plus dojo). See our interview here: http://prototypejs.org/2008/5/28/an-interview-with-piotr-dachtera best, Tobie On Jun 18, 2:27 am, Franck PORCHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ryan. It's true, I love the feel of Prototype's OO model. I did some research and foudn in Ext's FAQ the following : /Up until version 1.0.1a, Ext required one of the following base libraries to be included: YUI, jQuery or Prototype/Script.aculo.us. Ext contains adapters that provide some of the basic plumbing utilities from those libraries, including Ajax support, animation, DOM manipulation, event handling, etc. Beginning with version 1.1, Ext includes a native Ext adapter, so the external libraries are no longer required(...)At the present time, Prototype/Scriptaculous support should still be considered experimental as there are several known bugs and unsupported functions that can cause problems with Ext./ Regarding your statement /My biggest message to you would be that they are _not_ mutually exclusive, and in fact work very well together/, looks like things are changing... Franck PORCHER www / smartech / pf -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: Prototype vs Ext
Thanks kangax Tobie for these excellent pointers. If I can stay out of Ext (no one knows for sure how it will evolve), I'd rather go for it. Best, - Franck --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Prototype-core] Re: Prototype vs Ext
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Franck PORCHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In a few words, and in whatever spare time you Core guys might have, what is the story behind these 2 frameworks, if any, how do they compare in the long run of javascript programming (if any kind of comparison was ever attempted), and how do you foresee the future of both. Franck PORCHER www / smartech / pf A good friend of mine uses Ext because he writes applications that must work with YUI, dojo, /and/ Prototype. Using Ext allows him to write code that will work with any of those libraries. He describes it as an abstraction layer above a framework. As an abstraction, it makes sense that each Ext feature would be limited by the library with the weakest implementation of that particular feature. - Ken Snyder --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Prototype: Core group. To post to this group, send email to prototype-core@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/prototype-core?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
