Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[M.-A. Lemburg]

On 22.07.2020 15:00, Christian Heimes wrote:
> Hi MAL,
> 
> would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
> @python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
> general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
> conference advertisement list.
> 
> Something between 1 to 3 mails per conference and year (!) sounds
> sensible to me. You have posted 21 new threads about EP 2020 since
> January on this list, thereof 5 threads this month. In comparison I
> could only find two ads for other conferences in the last 12 month
> (FlaskCon, PyCon TZ).

Hi Christian,

as you probably know, EuroPython is a community effort, run
entirely by volunteers with no commercial interests. Since
c.l.p, as well as other general purpose Python community lists, are
places where we can reach out to the community we're working for,
it's a natural target for our conference communication.

We are perfectly aware that our emails are not necessarily
interesting for everyone, but then you have the same problem
with many topics on these general purpose mailing lists.
The standard way to approach this is to simply ignore the
postings, filter them out or silence them.

It's obvious from your emails and tweets that you don't like our
emails and that's fair. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
However, we are running the conference for a large community and
so have to compromise between people such as you who don't like
getting our emails and the thousands of people who do.

When you run community events, you have to learn that you can never
make everyone happy - even though we try hard and I believe we
have a good track record of at least making most people happy :-)

Regarding filtering, almost all of our emails carry "EuroPython" in
their subject line and we usually use a europython.eu email
address as sender. In fact, most emails are sent by me, since I the
one in charge of preparing and sending them, so you can easily filter
them out.

In terms of volume, I don't regard the 24 messages I have sent
this year anywhere near a level which can be considered spam
based on volume, given that the list has received 3300+ messages
this year.

Again, you may have a different opinion and that's perfectly fine.
We can agree to disagree on this.

FWIW: I would like to see a lot more conference communication from
the many Python events around the world go to this and other lists.

People new to Python generally have a hard time finding out what's
going on in Python land - one of the reasons I started the Python
events calendar project, for example:

https://www.python.org/events/
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar

The Python conferences and meetups are a central part of the Python
community and should get more awareness rather than less.

Thanks,
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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[Cameron Simpson]

On 23Jul2020 10:39, Christian Heimes  wrote:
>On 23/07/2020 02.12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> I have never attended EuroPython and probably never will (I'm on the
>> other side of the planet) but I'm still interested. Rather than
>> subscribe to every conference thing, getting them here is very
>> convenient.
>
>I have been to a lot of EuroPython conferences. [...]
>I'm not disputing the fact that a conference can use the generic Python
>users list for announcements. It's the fact that EP is literally
>spamming the list with threads like "Opening our merchandise shop",
>"Find a new job", "Introducing our diamond sponsor", and "Presenting our
>conference booklet". That's just spam to advertise for the conference or
>a company. Some EP announcements were cross-posted to multiple mailing
>lists like psf-commun...@python.org, too.

Hmm, yes. For these posts, colour me convinced. I'd be happy to see 
these dialed back - they arguably belong on a europython announcement 
list.  Things like "conference rescheduled", "attendance arrangements 
changes due to the virus" etc seem worthy of the main list to me, by 
contrast.

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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam

[dn via Python-list]

On 23/07/2020 20:39, Christian Heimes wrote:

On 23/07/2020 02.12, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 22Jul2020 15:00, Christian Heimes  wrote:

...


would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
@python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
conference advertisement list.


+1 (see later)



I, OTOH, am unperturbed.


+1


...


I have never attended EuroPython and probably never will (I'm on the
other side of the planet) but I'm still interested. Rather than
subscribe to every conference thing, getting them here is very
convenient.


+1
(and make a note to follow-up afterwards, because many PyCons post 
videos of the presentations - not as good as being-there, but less 
expensive than an RtW air-ticket!)


...

I'm not disputing the fact that a conference can use the generic Python
users list for announcements. It's the fact that EP is literally
spamming the list with threads like "Opening our merchandise shop",
"Find a new job", "Introducing our diamond sponsor", and "Presenting our
conference booklet". That's just spam to advertise for the conference or
a company. Some EP announcements were cross-posted to multiple mailing
lists like psf-commun...@python.org, too.


Agreed:
There is a difference between announcing conference details, and selling 
'stuff' to attendees.

(I don't know: but would a non-attendee buy the t-shirt?)



python.org has a dedicated conference mailing list for conference
related announcements. Additional to general conferen...@python.org
EuroPython has 2 (in words *TWO*) additional mailing lists for
announcements and discussions (europyt...@python.org,
europython-annou...@python.org).

...

Agreed
However, "This mailing list is a general discussion list for the Python 
programming language" and per earlier reply, advice of a conference 
holds general interest (as well) - and is an encouragement to other 
PyCons (organisers) around the world.


Were we to ban EuroPython, would we also have to take a stand against 
beginners posting basic questions (given that there is a specific Tutor 
list)?


"General" means nothing-specific (as anyone in the military can tell you)!

In truth, I did delete many of these msgs after a cursory scan of their 
content (cf reading).




Some people have replied to me in private because they did not dare to
speak out against a prominent member of the Python community in public.
At least one person has followed up with Code Of Conduct working group
because they are annoyed by the spam.


Like the decision to use vim or emacs, this topic can generate a lot of 
heat and emotion. Is there room for both? (and for 'modern IDEs')


The "dare not speak out" is sad - both for the individuals and/or the 
organisation. Wither "inclusion" and "tolerance"?

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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[Chris Angelico]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:40 PM Christian Heimes  wrote:
> I'm not disputing the fact that a conference can use the generic Python
> users list for announcements. It's the fact that EP is literally
> spamming the list with threads like "Opening our merchandise shop",
> "Find a new job", "Introducing our diamond sponsor", and "Presenting our
> conference booklet". That's just spam to advertise for the conference or
> a company. Some EP announcements were cross-posted to multiple mailing
> lists like psf-commun...@python.org, too.

Five threads in a month isn't THAT much spam. Yes, four of them
arrived close together, but that's what happens when something is
temporal in nature. We've had roughly the same number of threads
saying "Python v3.x.y has been released" referencing small revisions
to stable releases of Python, and those are equally irrelevant to
people who don't need to update (for instance, 3.9.0b5 is irrelevant
unless you're tracking the betas, and 3.7.8 doesn't make a lot of
difference unless you need the very latest 3.7 and don't get it from a
package manager). Is that a problem? I don't think so. These lists get
a lot of traffic and the normal way to distinguish them is by their
subject lines, and every one of these EuroPython threads has had that
word in the subject.

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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[Christian Heimes]

On 23/07/2020 02.12, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 22Jul2020 15:00, Christian Heimes  wrote:
>> Hi MAL,
>>
>> would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
>> @python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
>> general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
>> conference advertisement list.
>>
>> Something between 1 to 3 mails per conference and year (!) sounds
>> sensible to me. [...]
> 
> I, OTOH, am unperturbed.
> 
> Things have been much in flux this year, and a last minute short notice 
> thing like this post needs wide dissemination. Normally a conference 
> needs few posts, but this year everything is different and plans have 
> changed a lot, on the fly.
> 
> I have never attended EuroPython and probably never will (I'm on the 
> other side of the planet) but I'm still interested. Rather than 
> subscribe to every conference thing, getting them here is very 
> convenient.

I have been to a lot of EuroPython conferences. EP 2003 in
Charleroi/Belgium was my first Python conference. I have given several
talks at EP in recent years and have participated in one panel
discussion / AMA about Python core development.

I'm not disputing the fact that a conference can use the generic Python
users list for announcements. It's the fact that EP is literally
spamming the list with threads like "Opening our merchandise shop",
"Find a new job", "Introducing our diamond sponsor", and "Presenting our
conference booklet". That's just spam to advertise for the conference or
a company. Some EP announcements were cross-posted to multiple mailing
lists like psf-commun...@python.org, too.

python.org has a dedicated conference mailing list for conference
related announcements. Additional to general conferen...@python.org
EuroPython has 2 (in words *TWO*) additional mailing lists for
announcements and discussions (europyt...@python.org,
europython-annou...@python.org).

> As with all posters and topics, a truly annoying one can always be
> blocked at your personal discretion with a filter rule, eg to discard
> "europython". I know that advice verges on the spammers' claim that "you
> can always opt out" but for me this stuff isn't spam.

See https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Missing_stair

Some people have replied to me in private because they did not dare to
speak out against a prominent member of the Python community in public.
At least one person has followed up with Code Of Conduct working group
because they are annoyed by the spam.

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Re: Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[Cameron Simpson]

On 22Jul2020 15:00, Christian Heimes  wrote:
>Hi MAL,
>
>would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
>@python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
>general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
>conference advertisement list.
>
>Something between 1 to 3 mails per conference and year (!) sounds
>sensible to me. [...]

I, OTOH, am unperturbed.

Things have been much in flux this year, and a last minute short notice 
thing like this post needs wide dissemination. Normally a conference 
needs few posts, but this year everything is different and plans have 
changed a lot, on the fly.

I have never attended EuroPython and probably never will (I'm on the 
other side of the planet) but I'm still interested. Rather than 
subscribe to every conference thing, getting them here is very 
convenient.

As with all posters and topics, a truly annoying one can always be 
blocked at your personal discretion with a filter rule, eg to discard 
"europython". I know that advice verges on the spammers' claim that "you 
can always opt out" but for me this stuff isn't spam.

Cheers,
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Spam, bacon, sausage and Spam (was: EuroPython 2020: Data Science Track)

[Christian Heimes]

Hi MAL,

would it be possible to reduce the amount of EuroPython spam on
@python.org mailing lists to a sensible level? This mailing list is a
general discussion list for the Python programming language. It's not a
conference advertisement list.

Something between 1 to 3 mails per conference and year (!) sounds
sensible to me. You have posted 21 new threads about EP 2020 since
January on this list, thereof 5 threads this month. In comparison I
could only find two ads for other conferences in the last 12 month
(FlaskCon, PyCon TZ).

Christian

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RE: [SPAM] Type error: not enough arguments for format string

[David Raymond]

My first bet at the culprit is the space between the % and (message)s, they 
should be together like you have them for asctime.


-Original Message-
From: Python-list 
[mailto:python-list-bounces+david.raymond=tomtom@python.org] On Behalf Of 
synch1...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:12 PM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: [SPAM] Type error: not enough arguments for format string
Importance: Low

I'm just trying to follow along with the logging tutorial documentation and I 
am getting this error:

import logging


logging.basicConfig(format= '%(asctime)s % (message)s', datefmt='%m%d%Y 
%I:%M:%S %p')
logging.warning('is when this event was logged')

Error:

C:\Users\Malcy\PycharmProjects\Udemy\venv\Scripts\python.exe 
C:/Users/Malcy/PycharmProjects/logging/logger.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
"C:\Users\Malcy\AppData\Local\Continuum\anaconda2\Lib\logging\__init__.py", 
line 861, in emit
msg = self.format(record)
  File 
"C:\Users\Malcy\AppData\Local\Continuum\anaconda2\Lib\logging\__init__.py", 
line 734, in format
return fmt.format(record)
  File 
"C:\Users\Malcy\AppData\Local\Continuum\anaconda2\Lib\logging\__init__.py", 
line 469, in format
s = self._fmt % record.__dict__
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string
Logged from file logger.py, line 6

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Re: Usenet Gateway (was: Spam levels.)

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-05-23, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer  wrote:

> can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not used by
> everybody?

 1) I perfer the user-interface offered by my NNTP client (slrn).

 2) I don't want to archive many years worth of dozens of mailing
lists (I let gmane do that).

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Re: Usenet Gateway (was: Spam levels.)

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 11:20:34 Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:

> can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not used
> by everybody?
>
> Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
> https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ

Brain damaged by facebook, AOL, M$, Google, yahoo yadda yadda into 
thinking that webmail and forums are the only game in town?

They can run them thru their browser, and never were taught any 
different. My own ISP is so brain washed by imap users, that fetchmail 
is not allowed to delete what its has pulled, so I have to login to the 
webmail interface every day with a browser and delete by hand, those 
messages I've allready read with kmail. Its a time sink, and a right 
pain in the ass but thats how it is. With fetchmail/procmail/clamav and 
spamassassin handling the incoming mail, I am reduced to hitting the 
plus key to go to the next unread msg, select the reply mode if I reply, 
edit the response, and a ctrl+return sends it. You can't get it any 
simpler than that. Computers were sold to us as a way to do some of our 
work, but mention how my computer does all that for me and those folks 
are totally aghast at the thought of actually getting the computer to do 
it for them.  I ran out of sympathy for those folks nearly 2 decades 
ago, when I had a full house Amiga doing all that for me.

So I lurk here, hoping some python know how might stick to me, and issue 
a rant when I feel its needed. Sorry, but your post was a trigger, so I 
went into rant mode.

Take care now.  And enjoy the list but be aware that at times the spam is 
replaced with snarky stuff. Much of it well earned.

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Re: Usenet Gateway (was: Spam levels.)

[Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer]

can someone explain to me why the mailing list (spam free) is not used by
everybody?

Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ

>
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Usenet Gateway (was: Spam levels.)

[Peter J. Holzer]

On 2018-05-23 10:00:56 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:01:35 +0200, dieter  declaimed
> the following:
> 
> >Maybe something went wrong with the integration of your NTTP server
> >with the Gmane one?
> 
>   GMANE doesn't (to my knowledge) peer to NNTP servers. It provides an
> NNTP interface to archives of /mailing lists/.

I was quite sure that it did, but it is likely that I mis-remember.

I looked into the newsgroup and there are indeed no messages injected by
gmane. Messages posted to gmane are sent to the mailinglist and (like
all other messages from the mailinglist) injected into usenet through
the gateway at uni-berlin.de.

It seems that this gateway changes all message-ids to 
 

Although the message ids look like they are generated by the mailing
list software (they contain "mailman" and "python-list"), they are only
in the usenet postings, not in the messages sent to mailing list
subscriberts, so I think it must be the gateway that generates these
ids.

(I checked this for a few recent messages from the mailing list). 

This is what I thought I saw gmane doing, so it is very likely that I
was mistaken and that it the gateway at uni-berlin.de all along.

I apologize for attributing the error to Gmane.

Are the persons running the gateway reading this list? Could you please
fix this? Changing message-ids is an absolute no-no.

hp

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Re: Spam levels.

[dieter]

"Peter J. Holzer"  writes:
> ...
> I didn't read on Gmane. I read on my usenet server. But the broken
> messages were all coming from Gmane.

I am reading with an NNTP client connected to the Gmane NNTP server and
and threading works - with very rare exceptions.
The exeptions are so rare, that they might have been caused by the
posters (sometimes someone opens an issue by answering to an exisiting
discussion; or starts a new thread for answering to a post in another thread).

Maybe something went wrong with the integration of your NTTP server
with the Gmane one?

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Re: Spam levels.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-05-22, Peter J. Holzer  wrote:

> I didn't read on Gmane. I read on my usenet server. But the broken
> messages were all coming from Gmane. It is possible that the breakage
> only occurs when Gmane passes the message to other Usenet servers,
> although I have no idea how that could happen (frankly, I have no idea
> why Gmane should replace message-ids at all - it just doesn't make
> sense).

I never figured out exactly what the broken scenarios were nor did I
try to figure out which gateway was causing them.

Ignoring Google Groups, there are 9 possible combinations:

   Usenet <---[gateway]---> M-List <---[gateway]---> Gmane

 1. Usenet followup to M-List posting
 2. Usenet followup to Gmane posting
 3. Usenet followup to Usenet posting
 4. M-List followup to Usenet posting
 5. M-List followup to Gmane posting
 6. M-List followup to M-List posting
 7. Gmane  followup to Usenet posting
 8. Gmane  followup to M-List posting
 9. Gmane  followup to Gmane posting

Most of the combinations seem to work most of the time.  It looked
like there was at least 1 broken scenario when subscribed either via
Gmane or via "real" Usenet, but it's pretty difficult to glean the the
signal from the noise created by people with broken MUAs and/or NNTP
clients.

It's actually pretty impressive it all works as well as it does...

In any case, ignoring all postings from Google Groups is recommended.

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Re: Spam levels.

[Peter J. Holzer]

On 2018-05-22 20:42:43 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2018-05-22, Peter J. Holzer  wrote:
> > On 2018-05-21 15:42:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> I switched from Usenet to Gmane mainly because references headers are
> >> bit more consistent on Gmane, so threading works somewhat better.
> >
> > This is interesting, because Gmane was the reason I switched from
> > reading on usenet to reading the mailinglist: Every article coming
> > through the Gmane gateway had broken headers, which completely messed up
> > threading (It looked like Gmane was replacing Message-Ids with their
> > own). I haven't checked recently whether that is still the case.
> >
> > On the mailing-list threading seems to work.
> 
> I've never tried reading the mailing list directly (I'm not willing to
> give up slrn), but the last time I ran NNTP threading tests (I refuse
> to admin how much time I spent writing a Python app to do that), My
> Usenet feed was noticably worse than Gmane.  Gmane had a fair amount
> of breakage as well, but was better than Usenet.

I didn't read on Gmane. I read on my usenet server. But the broken
messages were all coming from Gmane. It is possible that the breakage
only occurs when Gmane passes the message to other Usenet servers,
although I have no idea how that could happen (frankly, I have no idea
why Gmane should replace message-ids at all - it just doesn't make
sense).

hp

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Re: Spam levels.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-05-22, Peter J. Holzer  wrote:
> On 2018-05-21 15:42:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I switched from Usenet to Gmane mainly because references headers are
>> bit more consistent on Gmane, so threading works somewhat better.
>
> This is interesting, because Gmane was the reason I switched from
> reading on usenet to reading the mailinglist: Every article coming
> through the Gmane gateway had broken headers, which completely messed up
> threading (It looked like Gmane was replacing Message-Ids with their
> own). I haven't checked recently whether that is still the case.
>
> On the mailing-list threading seems to work.

I've never tried reading the mailing list directly (I'm not willing to
give up slrn), but the last time I ran NNTP threading tests (I refuse
to admin how much time I spent writing a Python app to do that), My
Usenet feed was noticably worse than Gmane.  Gmane had a fair amount
of breakage as well, but was better than Usenet.

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Re: Spam levels.

[Peter J. Holzer]

On 2018-05-21 15:42:28 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> I switched from Usenet to Gmane mainly because references headers are
> bit more consistent on Gmane, so threading works somewhat better.

This is interesting, because Gmane was the reason I switched from
reading on usenet to reading the mailinglist: Every article coming
through the Gmane gateway had broken headers, which completely messed up
threading (It looked like Gmane was replacing Message-Ids with their
own). I haven't checked recently whether that is still the case.

On the mailing-list threading seems to work.

hp


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Re: Spam levels.

[C W Rose via Python-list]

m  wrote:
> W dniu 10.02.2018 o 15:57, C W Rose pisze:
>> No other groups (in the limited set which I read) have the problem,
>> and I don't understand why the spammers neither spam a range of
>> groups, nor change their adddresses more frequently.  It may be
>> that destroying comp.lang.python is their actual objective.
>> 
>> Either way, a depressing state of affairs.
> 
> The sad thing is, that your post is unseen, because of spam :S
> 
> I also almost stopped reading c.l.python, because of enormous spam
> levels. Do I have any option to read it without spam, other than launch
> my own filtering NNTP server and do whack the mole game for myself?
> 
> Maybe join forces and establish such server for public use?
> 

The situation is getting worse:

comp.lang.python messages 29 Jan - 14 May 2018
Fetched: 3081
Killed: 6616
Valid: 31.77 %

Almost all of the garbage is coming from the "Case Solutions" poster,
with a hotmail address.  He's said himself that he doesn't read the
group, and there's really no point to endless reposting in a newsgroup
with no relevance to the posts, so it's just mindless vandalism.
He doesn't change addresses or headers much, so the filter seldom needs
updating; however, I think comp.lang.python is reaching the end of the line.

comp.lang.c has less overwhelming problems, due to a single obsessive:
comp.lang.c messages 29 Jan - 14 May 2018
Fetched: 3969
Killed: 618
Valid: 86.52 %

If you are using Linux, leafnode is easy to set up, and has enough filtering
to keep comp.lang.python readable.  I pull from news.eternal-september.org
and news.gmane.org (though I don't know how much longer gmane will last).
Both are free.

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Re: Spam levels.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-05-21, José María Mateos  wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:00:41AM +0200, m wrote:
>> I also almost stopped reading c.l.python, because of enormous spam
>> levels. Do I have any option to read it without spam, other than launch
>> my own filtering NNTP server and do whack the mole game for myself?
>> 
>> Maybe join forces and establish such server for public use?
>
> If you're willing to let NNTP access go, the mailing list works 
> perfectly fine and is virtually spam-free.

You can have both.  Point your NNTP client at news.gmane.org and
subscribe to gmane.comp.python.general.

That said, I never noticed any more spam on c.l.p than on the mailing
list.  I assume that's because my Usenet provider (Panix.com) filtered
it out.  I switched from Usenet to Gmane mainly because references
headers are bit more consistent on Gmane, so threading works somewhat
better.

[Regardless of whether I'm using Usenet or Gmane, I have slrn
configured to plonk all posts made from google.groups.]

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Re: Spam levels.

[José María Mateos]

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:00:41AM +0200, m wrote:
> I also almost stopped reading c.l.python, because of enormous spam
> levels. Do I have any option to read it without spam, other than launch
> my own filtering NNTP server and do whack the mole game for myself?
> 
> Maybe join forces and establish such server for public use?

If you're willing to let NNTP access go, the mailing list works 
perfectly fine and is virtually spam-free.

Cheers,

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Re: Spam levels.

[m]

W dniu 10.02.2018 o 15:57, C W Rose pisze:
> No other groups (in the limited set which I read) have the problem,
> and I don't understand why the spammers neither spam a range of
> groups, nor change their adddresses more frequently.  It may be
> that destroying comp.lang.python is their actual objective.
> 
> Either way, a depressing state of affairs.

The sad thing is, that your post is unseen, because of spam :S

I also almost stopped reading c.l.python, because of enormous spam
levels. Do I have any option to read it without spam, other than launch
my own filtering NNTP server and do whack the mole game for myself?

Maybe join forces and establish such server for public use?

p. m.
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Spam levels.

[C W Rose via Python-list]

I've been reading a limited range of Usenet groups since the late 1980s,
and until the recent problems in comp.lang.python had never bothered with
any sort of filtering; it's easier just to ignore people.  However, the
sheer volume of spam in comp.lang.python finally defeated me, so I set up
a filter in my leafnode NNTP server, which pulls from eternal-september
and gmane (read-only).  The results for the last few weeks are below:

  Jan 20 15:34:39 comp.lang.python: 50 articles fetched, 71 killed
  Jan 21 14:21:30 comp.lang.python: 25 articles fetched, 18 killed
  Jan 26 13:04:40 comp.lang.python: 85 articles fetched, 276 killed
  Jan 28 22:58:42 comp.lang.python: 83 articles fetched, 184 killed
  Jan 29 16:07:11 comp.lang.python: 41 articles fetched, 52 killed
  Jan 30 16:57:03 comp.lang.python: 57 articles fetched, 56 killed
  Jan 31 16:52:01 comp.lang.python: 39 articles fetched, 87 killed
  Feb 1 16:02:49 comp.lang.python: 39 articles fetched, 73 killed
  Feb 2 14:39:46 comp.lang.python: 43 articles fetched, 57 killed
  Feb 3 18:17:55 comp.lang.python: 19 articles fetched, 108 killed
  Feb 4 15:28:03 comp.lang.python: 36 articles fetched, 122 killed
  Feb 5 15:26:08 comp.lang.python: 45 articles fetched, 79 killed
  Feb 6 16:29:40 comp.lang.python: 68 articles fetched, 93 killed
  Feb 7 16:43:26 comp.lang.python: 32 articles fetched, 118 killed
  Feb 8 16:01:14 comp.lang.python: 41 articles fetched, 100 killed
  Feb 9 17:06:09 comp.lang.python: 47 articles fetched, 201 killed

giving the totals:  
  Kept: 750 articles
  Killed: 1695 articles

Until the last few days the spammers were using a fixed format,
but recently I've had to play whack-a-mole with filtering, so the
Killed total is probably underestimated by ten or twenty posts.

No other groups (in the limited set which I read) have the problem,
and I don't understand why the spammers neither spam a range of
groups, nor change their adddresses more frequently.  It may be
that destroying comp.lang.python is their actual objective.

Either way, a depressing state of affairs.

Will

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Re: Spam

[alister via Python-list]

> They are literally criminals, they use computer viruses and malware to
> hijack people's computers to send their spam, and you want to trust them
> and buy from them?

this was probably a "Drive By" posy to get the original spam more 
attention & possibly bypass spam filters





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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Grant Edwards]

On 2017-08-13, J. Clarke  wrote:
> In article , 
> skybuck2...@hotmail.com says...
>> 
>> I see two solutions:

> It would be really nice if someone could convince radical Islam that 
> spammers are offensive to Mohammed.  After a few of them got hunted down 
> and blown up, the rest might take the hint.

It would be really nice if someone could convice people to stopped
replying to spam posted from googlegroups.  That way people who've
taken the common-sense approach and plonked all postings from google
groups wouldn't have to see them.

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Re: Recent Spam problem

[J. Clarke]

In article , 
skybuck2...@hotmail.com says...
> 
> I see two solutions:
> 
> 1. We build new architecture or adept current one so it's more like a 
> blockchain, have to calculate some hash before being able to post and upload 
> and such.
> 
> or
> 
> 2. We counter-attack by installing a special tool, so we all denial of 
> service attack the source of the message, I am not sure if the source is 
> genuine information, what you make of it:
> 
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 39.52.70.224
> 
> 
> Now the first solution would require a lot of work.
> 
> The second solution would be easy to do.
> 
> My question to you is:
> 
> What solution do you pick of any ? =D

It would be really nice if someone could convince radical Islam that 
spammers are offensive to Mohammed.  After a few of them got hunted down 
and blown up, the rest might take the hint.


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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Gerd Niemetz]

Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017 07:13:51 UTC+2 schrieb Rustom Mody:
> Of late there has been an explosion of spam
> Thought it was only a google-groups (USENET?) issue and would be barred from 
> the mailing list.
> 
> But then find its there in the mailing list archives as well
> Typical example: 
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2017-July/724085.html
> 
> What gives??
> 
> On a different note this problem seems to be peculiar to comp.lang.python
> via google-groups and is absent on ½ dozen other google groups I see.
> 
> Since spammers are unlikely to be choosy about whom they spam:
> Tentative conclusion: Something about the USENET-ML gateway is more leaky
> out here than elsewhere

What i do is to "install" the bookmarklet "Jquerify" from 
https://mreidsma.github.io/bookmarklets/jquerify.html, open the developer tools 
(i use Google Chrome), go to the console and paste the following javascript: 
$('tr > td > div > div > div > div > div > div > div:contains("Case Solution"), 
div:contains("Test Banks")').closest("tr").hide(); $('tr > td > div > div > div 
> div > div > div > a').each(function(){if($(this).text().length > 100) 
$(this).closest("tr").hide()});

This hides all the posts from "Case Solution" and "Test Banks" and all posts 
with a subject length > 100. Rerun the code to hide more, not elegant but 
helpful (at least for me :) )
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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Skip Montanaro]

Yes, it's more "leaky," though that's not quite the term I'd use. Instead,
I'd say there are fewer checks. On the mailing list side of things, you
have all the Postfix bells and whistles, which stop a ton of crap, much of
it before the message is officially entered into the mail.python.org
system. Behind that is a SpamBayes instance to pick up any loose ends.

The Usenet gateway feeds into the system behind everything except the
SpamBayes instance. It gets only sporadic attention from me. If I'm not
paying attention, stuff which starts to "leak" through doesn't get trained
as spam so it can help minimize the chances that later versions of the same
crap get through.

One thing which never got produced was an easy way for a list moderator to
say, "Hey, this got through and it's spam." Sorting through "unsure"
messages and retraining automatically using some Mailman/SpamBayes conduit
would be a nice addition to the overall system. If you wanted to write
software, that's where I'd focus my efforts.

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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Wildman via Python-list]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:44:22 +, Grant Edwards wrote:

> On 2017-07-25, Wildman via Python-list  wrote:
> 
>> The posts are being made through Google Groups.  Forwarding
>> the posts with headers to groups-ab...@google.com might help.
> 
> I never has in the past.  I (and many others) have for years and years
> been plonking all posts made through Google Groups.  Trust me, you'll
> not miss out on anything worthwile. :)
> 
>> I have sent a couple but if everyone here did it maybe Google will
>> pay attention and do something.
> 
> They won't.
> 
> Just configure your .score file (or bogofilter or spamassassin or
> whatever) to throw out all posts that have a Message-ID: header field
> that ends in 'googlegroups.com'.  That, grashopper, is the path to
> serenity.

In the past I never used a 'kill file' so I didn't
consider it.  However, I took your advice and created
the score file and I will say the path to serenity is
sweet.  Thank you.

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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Gregory Ewing]

breamore...@gmail.com wrote:

Hence why I asked a couple of weeks back why we don't just bin the existing
group and start afresh with a new, properly moderated group.


Someone would need to volunteer to be the moderator.

Also, moderation is something of a consenting-adults
thing on usenet. It's not hard for a sufficently
knowledgeable person to bypass the moderation.

(I'm told there's a security-related usenet group that
takes advantage of this. It's a moderated group with
no moderator; if you know enough to fake the approval,
you're considered entitled to post. :-)

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Re: Recent Spam problem

[breamoreboy]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 8:29:07 AM UTC+1, Tim Golden wrote:
> On 25/07/2017 06:13, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > Of late there has been an explosion of spam
> > Thought it was only a google-groups (USENET?) issue and would be barred 
> > from the mailing list.
> >
> > But then find its there in the mailing list archives as well
> > Typical example: 
> > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2017-July/724085.html
> >
> > What gives??
> 
> I almost never look at the GG mirror (or Usenet) so it wasn't until the 
> post which started this thread that I realised just how much spam is 
> being thrown at the newsgroup.
> 

Hence why I asked a couple of weeks back why we don't just bin the existing 
group and start afresh with a new, properly moderated group.  I suggest a 
really innovative name like python-users :)

Kindest regards.

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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Tim Golden]

On 25/07/2017 06:13, Rustom Mody wrote:

Of late there has been an explosion of spam
Thought it was only a google-groups (USENET?) issue and would be barred from 
the mailing list.

But then find its there in the mailing list archives as well
Typical example: 
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2017-July/724085.html

What gives??


Well, just for clarification: the spam measures on the list are at least 
partly manual. In this case, the spammer started to use a different 
address from the one we were trapping so it took until one of us (me, in 
this case) spotted the incoming spam before we were able to block it.


I almost never look at the GG mirror (or Usenet) so it wasn't until the 
post which started this thread that I realised just how much spam is 
being thrown at the newsgroup.


In case it wasn't clear to anyone: GG is actually a gateway to 
comp.lang.python which presents itself as a mailing list, while gmane 
(while it's still running) is a gateway to the python-list which 
presents itself as a newsgroup.


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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Michael F. Stemper]

On 2017-07-25 10:03, alister wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:29:56 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:50 PM,   wrote:

I see two solutions:

1. We build new architecture or adept current one so it's more like a
blockchain, have to calculate some hash before being able to post and
upload and such.



2. We counter-attack by installing a special tool, so we all denial of
service attack the source of the message, I am not sure if the source
is genuine information, what you make of it:



There are bad people in the world. I know! Let's all go and drop nuclear
bombs on them. That'll fix the problem!

OR... you could try just filtering it all out, and not stooping to their
level.


i say nuke em/ otherwise my /dev/null is going to need expanding ;-)


I just got a new nulldev from Data General about a week back:

username@hostname$ ll /dev/null
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jul 16 15:22 /dev/null
username@hostname$

Its performance is awesome, and it comes with a powerful GUI for
configuring and customizing.

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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Grant Edwards]

On 2017-07-25, Wildman via Python-list  wrote:

> The posts are being made through Google Groups.  Forwarding
> the posts with headers to groups-ab...@google.com might help.

I never has in the past.  I (and many others) have for years and years
been plonking all posts made through Google Groups.  Trust me, you'll
not miss out on anything worthwile. :)

> I have sent a couple but if everyone here did it maybe Google will
> pay attention and do something.

They won't.

Just configure your .score file (or bogofilter or spamassassin or
whatever) to throw out all posts that have a Message-ID: header field
that ends in 'googlegroups.com'.  That, grashopper, is the path to
serenity.

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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Wildman via Python-list]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 23:01:43 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:

> Rustom Mody  writes:
>> Since spammers are unlikely to be choosy about whom they spam:
>> Tentative conclusion: Something about the USENET-ML gateway is more leaky
>> out here than elsewhere
> 
> It could be a sort-of DOS attack by some disgruntled idiot.  I wonder if
> the email address in those spam posts actually works.  Then there's the
> weird Italian rants.  No idea about those.

The posts are being made through Google Groups.  Forwarding
the posts with headers to groups-ab...@google.com might help.
I have sent a couple but if everyone here did it maybe
Google will pay attention and do something.  The same goes
for our Italian "friend".

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Re: Recent Spam problem

[alister via Python-list]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:29:56 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:50 PM,   wrote:
>> I see two solutions:
>>
>> 1. We build new architecture or adept current one so it's more like a
>> blockchain, have to calculate some hash before being able to post and
>> upload and such.
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2. We counter-attack by installing a special tool, so we all denial of
>> service attack the source of the message, I am not sure if the source
>> is genuine information, what you make of it:
>>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 39.52.70.224
>>
>>
>> Now the first solution would require a lot of work.
>>
>> The second solution would be easy to do.
>>
>> My question to you is:
>>
>> What solution do you pick of any ? =D
> 
> There are bad people in the world. I know! Let's all go and drop nuclear
> bombs on them. That'll fix the problem!
> 
> OR... you could try just filtering it all out, and not stooping to their
> level.
> 
> ChrisA

i say nuke em/ otherwise my /dev/null is going to need expanding ;-)



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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Chris Angelico]

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:50 PM,   wrote:
> I see two solutions:
>
> 1. We build new architecture or adept current one so it's more like a 
> blockchain, have to calculate some hash before being able to post and upload 
> and such.
>
> or
>
> 2. We counter-attack by installing a special tool, so we all denial of 
> service attack the source of the message, I am not sure if the source is 
> genuine information, what you make of it:
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 39.52.70.224
>
>
> Now the first solution would require a lot of work.
>
> The second solution would be easy to do.
>
> My question to you is:
>
> What solution do you pick of any ? =D

There are bad people in the world. I know! Let's all go and drop
nuclear bombs on them. That'll fix the problem!

OR... you could try just filtering it all out, and not stooping to their level.

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Re: Recent Spam problem

[skybuck2000]

I see two solutions:

1. We build new architecture or adept current one so it's more like a 
blockchain, have to calculate some hash before being able to post and upload 
and such.

or

2. We counter-attack by installing a special tool, so we all denial of service 
attack the source of the message, I am not sure if the source is genuine 
information, what you make of it:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 39.52.70.224


Now the first solution would require a lot of work.

The second solution would be easy to do.

My question to you is:

What solution do you pick of any ? =D
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Re: Recent Spam problem

[Paul Rubin]

Rustom Mody  writes:
> Since spammers are unlikely to be choosy about whom they spam:
> Tentative conclusion: Something about the USENET-ML gateway is more leaky
> out here than elsewhere

It could be a sort-of DOS attack by some disgruntled idiot.  I wonder if
the email address in those spam posts actually works.  Then there's the
weird Italian rants.  No idea about those.
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Recent Spam problem

[Rustom Mody]

Of late there has been an explosion of spam
Thought it was only a google-groups (USENET?) issue and would be barred from 
the mailing list.

But then find its there in the mailing list archives as well
Typical example: 
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2017-July/724085.html

What gives??

On a different note this problem seems to be peculiar to comp.lang.python
via google-groups and is absent on ½ dozen other google groups I see.

Since spammers are unlikely to be choosy about whom they spam:
Tentative conclusion: Something about the USENET-ML gateway is more leaky
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Re: Spammy spam spam spam spam

[Tim Golden]

On 04/07/2017 16:40, Steve D'Aprano wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 10:55 pm, Case Solution & Analysis wrote:


Our e-mail address is CASESOLUTIONSCENTRE (AT) GMAIL (DOT) COM. Please replace
(at) by @ and (dot) by .


Since we don't yet have a protocol for transmitting a punch to the face over
TCP/IP, is it be wrong of me to wish that some white knight hacker would DDOS
these spammy bastards until their supposed business goes broke?


At risk of annoying you further... we've been filtering them from the 
mailing list for a while now.


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Re: Spammy spam spam spam spam

[Steve D'Aprano]

On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 10:55 pm, Case Solution & Analysis wrote:

> Our e-mail address is CASESOLUTIONSCENTRE (AT) GMAIL (DOT) COM. Please replace
> (at) by @ and (dot) by .

Since we don't yet have a protocol for transmitting a punch to the face over
TCP/IP, is it be wrong of me to wish that some white knight hacker would DDOS
these spammy bastards until their supposed business goes broke?



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Re: Spam user

[Cholo Lennon]

On 01/04/17 16:15, Mario R. Osorio wrote:

I'm not in the business of starting an argument about best/worse newsreader, 
Ammammata, but could you please recommend a few?



Mozilla Thunderbird works very well. Spam is close to nothing using this 
free nntp server: news.aioe.org


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Re: Spam user

[Ammammata]

Il giorno Sat 01 Apr 2017 09:15:41p, *Mario R. Osorio* ha inviato su
comp.lang.python il messaggio
news:d0e9d036-2924-4c2c-99b1-0d8cb02b9...@googlegroups.com. Vediamo cosa
ha scritto: 

> I'm not in the business of starting an argument about best/worse
> newsreader, Ammammata, but could you please recommend a few? 
> 

not my intention, I just think a dedicated news *program* is better than 
the google *web interface* and gives you more filter tools

here I'm using xnews, but I have also mesnews configured (for stats) as 
well as pan for windows (for other uses)
at home I use pan (on linux)
on the tablet I use a chinese piece of software, can't remember the name 
sorry, but it's in the playstore

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Re: Spam user

[Mario R. Osorio]

I'm not in the business of starting an argument about best/worse newsreader, 
Ammammata, but could you please recommend a few?

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Re: Spam user

[Ammammata]

Il giorno Fri 31 Mar 2017 10:27:54a, *Ricardo A Baila* ha inviato su
comp.lang.python il messaggio
news:058a9744-44bf-4e6b-ae1d-28e1e348e...@googlegroups.com. Vediamo cosa
ha scritto: 

> User-Agent: G2/1.0
> 
> Could someone remove wucbad...@gmx.com from the group?
> 

you better switch to a decent newsreader and learn how to use filters ;)
g2 has no plonk list

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Re: Spam user

[Terry Reedy]

On 3/31/2017 5:07 AM, Lele Gaifax wrote:

Ricardo A Baila  writes:


Are you reading through Google Groups?


Could someone remove wucbad...@gmx.com from the group?



Strange, I could not see such messages, neither in the newsgroup (gmane) nor
on the ML archives.


If so, send your request to the Google Group admins,
who allow much spam filtered out by python.org.
And/or switch to reading the python.org list or the news.gmane.org 
newsgroup mirror.



Are you sure you are not receiving those as private messages?


GG trash is more likely.

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Re: Spam user

[Lele Gaifax]

Ricardo A Baila  writes:

> Could someone remove wucbad...@gmx.com from the group?

Strange, I could not see such messages, neither in the newsgroup (gmane) nor
on the ML archives.

Are you sure you are not receiving those as private messages?

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Re: Spam user

[Ricardo A Baila]

Le vendredi 31 mars 2017 10:28:08 UTC+2, Ricardo A Baila a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> Could someone remove wucbad...@gmx.com from the group?
> 
> Thanks
> Ricardo

And johnnypopo...@gmx.com as well.

Didn't go deep on the issue but could it be @gmx.com the issue?

Or at least, as the message is always the same, couldn't admins filter it or 
something? 

It's getting to proportions in terms of frequency where it makes the group 
really unreadable.

Best,
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Spam user

[Ricardo A Baila]

Hi all,

Could someone remove wucbad...@gmx.com from the group?

Thanks
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Re: spam issue

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 07 March 2017 01:00:41 Greg Couch wrote:

> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:08:44 AM UTC-8, Andrew Zyman wrote:
> > Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
> > I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one
> > that has this issue.
>
> If you do use google groups, please "Report abuse" for these messages.
>  And maybe google will get get a clue.  Wishful thinking, I know.

I don't get any more spam on this list, I send anything from google 
groups to /dev/null before it gets to /var/spool/mail/.  Much more 
peacefull now, for about 2 years...

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Re: spam issue

[Greg Couch]

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:08:44 AM UTC-8, Andrew Zyman wrote:
> Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
> I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one that has 
> this issue.

If you do use google groups, please "Report abuse" for these messages.  And 
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Re: spam issue

[Andrew Zyman]

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 2:28:04 PM UTC-5, bream...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:08:44 PM UTC, Andrew Zyman wrote:
> > Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
> > I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one that 
> > has this issue.
> 
> The bulk having lots of block capitals and in Italian?  Been happening for 
> years.  Just use gmane, gives you access to hundreds of Python lists and 
> thousands of others in one hit.
> 
> Kindest regards.
> 
> Mark Lawrence.


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Re: spam issue

[breamoreboy]

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 4:08:44 PM UTC, Andrew Zyman wrote:
> Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
> I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one that has 
> this issue.

The bulk having lots of block capitals and in Italian?  Been happening for 
years.  Just use gmane, gives you access to hundreds of Python lists and 
thousands of others in one hit.

Kindest regards.

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Re: spam issue

[Chris Angelico]

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Andrew Zyman  wrote:
>> Or the mailing list, depending on how you like to read things. The
>> list has some additional filtering and moderation, which I appreciate.
>>
>> ChrisA
>
>
> you mean on python.org ?

Yeah. You can sign up here:

https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

The content is the same as on the newsgroup, modulo the differences in
filtering/moderation, so you can make a stylistic choice to read it as
a newsgroup or as a mailing list.

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Re: spam issue

[Andrew Zyman]

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 1:39:54 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Cholo Lennon  wrote:
> > Google groups act like a "web frontend" for nntp protocol (on which this
> > group is based). I suppose Google doesn't filter spam messages in its
> > interface. Try using a newsreader like Mozilla Thunderbird and point it to a
> > news server. In my case I use "news.aioe.org", it's free and it doesn't have
> > spam. The only minor problem is its retention policy (a couple of months or
> > so, but any newsreader can cache messages in your computer the time you
> > want)
> >
> 
> Or the mailing list, depending on how you like to read things. The
> list has some additional filtering and moderation, which I appreciate.
> 
> ChrisA


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Re: spam issue

[Cholo Lennon]

On 02/03/17 13:08, Andrew Zyman wrote:

Why is this group have such an obscene number of spam posts ?
I'm subscribed to a few other google groups and this is the only one that has 
this issue.



Google groups act like a "web frontend" for nntp protocol (on which this 
group is based). I suppose Google doesn't filter spam messages in its 
interface. Try using a newsreader like Mozilla Thunderbird and point it 
to a news server. In my case I use "news.aioe.org", it's free and it 
doesn't have spam. The only minor problem is its retention policy (a 
couple of months or so, but any newsreader can cache messages in your 
computer the time you want)


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Re: spam issue

[Chris Angelico]

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Cholo Lennon  wrote:
> Google groups act like a "web frontend" for nntp protocol (on which this
> group is based). I suppose Google doesn't filter spam messages in its
> interface. Try using a newsreader like Mozilla Thunderbird and point it to a
> news server. In my case I use "news.aioe.org", it's free and it doesn't have
> spam. The only minor problem is its retention policy (a couple of months or
> so, but any newsreader can cache messages in your computer the time you
> want)
>

Or the mailing list, depending on how you like to read things. The
list has some additional filtering and moderation, which I appreciate.

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spam issue

[Andrew Zyman]

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Re: [SPAM] RE: Cleaning up conditionals

[MRAB]

On 2016-12-31 22:35, Deborah Swanson wrote:

Peter Otten wrote:

Deborah Swanson wrote:

> Here I have a real mess, in my opinion:

[corrected code:]

> if len(l1[st]) == 0:
> if len(l2[st]) > 0:
> l1[st] = l2[st]
> elif len(l2[st]) == 0:
> if len(l1[st]) > 0:
> l2[st] = l1[st]

> Anybody know or see an easier (more pythonic) way to do
this? I need
> to do it for four fields, and needless to say, that's a really long
> block of ugly code.

By "four fields", do you mean four values of st, or four
pairs of l1, l2, or
more elif-s with l3 and l4 -- or something else entirely?

Usually the most obvious way to avoid repetition is to write
a function, and
to make the best suggestion a bit more context is necessary.



I did write a function for this, and welcome any suggestions for
improvement.

The context is comparing 2 adjacent rows of data (in a list of real
estate listings sorted by their webpage titles and dates) with the
assumption that if the webpage titles are the same, they're listings for
the same property. This assumption is occasionally bad, but in far less
than one per 1000 unique listings. I'd rather just hand edit the data in
those cases so one webpage title is slightly different, than writing and
executing all the code needed to find and handle these corner cases.
Maybe that will be a future refinement, but right now I don't really
need it.

Once two rows of listing data have been identified as different dates
for the same property, there are 4 fields that will be identical for
both rows. There can be up to 10 (or even more) listings identical
except for the date, but typically I'm just adding a new one and want to
copy the field data from its previous siblings, so the copying is just
from the last listing to the new one.

Here's the function I have so far:

def comprows(l1,l2,st,ki,no):
ret = ''
labels = {st: 'st/co', ki: 'kind', no: 'notes'}
for v in (st,ki,no):
if len(l1[v]) == 0 and len(l2[v]) != 0:
l1[v] = l2[v]
elif len(l2[v]) == 0 and len(l1[v]) != 0:
l2[v] = l1[v]
elif l1[v] != l2[v]:
ret += ", " + labels[v] + " diff" if len(ret) > 0 else
labels[v] + " diff"
return ret

The 4th field is a special case and easily dispatched in one line of
code before this function is called for the other 3.

l1 and l2 are the 2 adjacent rows of listing data, with st,ki,no holding
codes for state/county, kind (of property) and notes. I want the
checking and copying to go both ways because sometimes I'm backfilling
old listings that I didn't pick up in my nightly copies on their given
dates, but came across them later.

ret is returned to a field with details to look at when I save the list
to csv and open it in Excel. The noted diffs will need to be reconciled.

I tried to use Jussi Piitulainen's suggestion to chain the conditionals,
but just couldn't make it work for choosing list elements to assign to,
although the approach is perfect if you're computing a value.

Hope this is enough context... ;)
D


Here's a slightly different way of doing it:

def comprows(l1, l2, st, ki, no):
ret = ''
labels = {st: 'st/co', ki: 'kind', no: 'notes'}
for v in (st, ki, no):
t = list({l1[v], l2[v]} - {''})
if len(t) == 1:
l1[v] = l2[v] = t[0]
elif len(t) == 2:
ret += ", " + labels[v] + " diff"
return ret[2 : ]


And here's a summary of what it does:

If l1[v] == l2[v], then {l1[v], l2[v]} will contain 1 string, otherwise 
it'll contain 2 strings. Then remove any empty string.


If the set now contains 1 string, then either they were the same, or one 
of them was empty; in either case, just make them the same.


On the other hand, if the set contains 2 strings, then report that they 
were different.


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Re: Italian libel spam

[Skip Montanaro]

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Marko Rauhamaa  wrote:

> I'd imagine just having a list of 100 Italian words should give you a
> pretty accurate spam score. Extra points for all caps.
>

Thanks, but that's not how SpamBayes works. Have a look here if you're
interested:

http://www.spambayes.org/

You might find the Background link particularly interesting.

Skip
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Italian libel spam

[Marko Rauhamaa]

Skip Montanaro :
> Yeah, we've been struggling with it over at mail.python.org. While
> incoming mail has all sorts of spam fighting bells and whistles,
> messages arriving from Usenet only has the SpamBayes filter. I'm sure
> I have a few more of these messages held. I will continue to train on
> these messages to try and get it to suppress them better.

I'd imagine just having a list of 100 Italian words should give you a
pretty accurate spam score. Extra points for all caps.


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Re: Abusive Italian Spam

[Cem Karan]

Honestly, I'm impressed by how little spam ever makes it onto the list.  
Considering the absolute flood of email the lists get, it's impressive work.  
Thank you for all the hard work you guys do for all the rest of us!

Thanks,
Cem Karan

On Sep 29, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Tim Golden  wrote:

> You may have noticed one or two more of the abusive spam messages slip
> through onto the list. We do have traps for these but, as with most such
> things, they need tuning. (We've discarded many more than you've seen).
> 
> As ever, kudos to Mark Sapiro of the Mailman team for tweaking our
> custom filters and sorting out the archives in a timely fashion.
> 
> TJG
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Abusive Italian Spam

[Tim Golden]

You may have noticed one or two more of the abusive spam messages slip
through onto the list. We do have traps for these but, as with most such
things, they need tuning. (We've discarded many more than you've seen).

As ever, kudos to Mark Sapiro of the Mailman team for tweaking our
custom filters and sorting out the archives in a timely fashion.

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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[Terry Reedy]

On 5/29/2016 4:10 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:


On Sun, May 29, 2016, at 14:14, Terry Reedy wrote:

Spam missed by the normally excellent spam filter.  Ignore it.



Blasted directly to this, and several other python related lists.
The source address is NOT in the email headers, and I'm sure that is not
a mistake, so for those of you running a blacklist like mail filter, you
can add volny.cz to the kill on site lists.  Whois also does not report
the IP, but dig did extract it. 46.255.231.48, however since it is not
in the message, it won't do a lot of good to look for it, even using my
own rules, which I write to block the whole class D is it annoys me.


Verizon (my ISP) would not accept a response with the web url the 
malfactor was trying to send us to, so they obviously have it blacklisted.



Up to you all as to what you do about it, but it looks as if it was to be
stopped at the source, it would be up to CENTRUM-CZ to block it.  IMO,
w/o a source ip, centrum should not have accepted it for transmission.
But my oar in these matters is about the size of a toothpick.

From the rest of that messages headers it appears to have originated at:
step...@organicfoodmarkets.com.au, with an invisible character in front
of the s that disables a copy/paste if its included in the copy.

Tricky little snake.  Lets see what clamscand thinks of it.   Not
infected, but its database is falling seriously behind too.  And I sure
don't trust it enough to click on it.


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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 29 May 2016 14:23:27 Random832 wrote:

> On Sun, May 29, 2016, at 14:14, Terry Reedy wrote:
> > Spam missed by the normally excellent spam filter.  Ignore it.
>
> I didn't actually see the original message. Maybe it was sent directly
> to you (and perhaps other users, but not me) with a forged header
> implying it came from the list?

Blasted directly to this, and several other python related lists.
The source address is NOT in the email headers, and I'm sure that is not 
a mistake, so for those of you running a blacklist like mail filter, you 
can add volny.cz to the kill on site lists.  Whois also does not report 
the IP, but dig did extract it. 46.255.231.48, however since it is not 
in the message, it won't do a lot of good to look for it, even using my 
own rules, which I write to block the whole class D is it annoys me.

Up to you all as to what you do about it, but it looks as if it was to be 
stopped at the source, it would be up to CENTRUM-CZ to block it.  IMO, 
w/o a source ip, centrum should not have accepted it for transmission.  
But my oar in these matters is about the size of a toothpick.

>From the rest of that messages headers it appears to have originated at:
step...@organicfoodmarkets.com.au, with an invisible character in front 
of the s that disables a copy/paste if its included in the copy.

Tricky little snake.  Lets see what clamscand thinks of it.   Not 
infected, but its database is falling seriously behind too.  And I sure 
don't trust it enough to click on it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[John Ladasky]

On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 11:55:04 AM UTC-7, Peter Pearson wrote:
>
> No, it reached me, too, through NNTP.

I also saw it, through the Google Groups gateway.
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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[Peter Pearson]

On Sun, 29 May 2016 14:23:27 -0400, Random832  wrote:
> On Sun, May 29, 2016, at 14:14, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> Spam missed by the normally excellent spam filter.  Ignore it.
>
> I didn't actually see the original message. Maybe it was sent directly
> to you (and perhaps other users, but not me) with a forged header
> implying it came from the list?

No, it reached me, too, through NNTP.

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Re: [spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[Random832]

On Sun, May 29, 2016, at 14:14, Terry Reedy wrote:
> Spam missed by the normally excellent spam filter.  Ignore it.

I didn't actually see the original message. Maybe it was sent directly
to you (and perhaps other users, but not me) with a forged header
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[spam] Re: look what I've found [ignore]

[Terry Reedy]

Spam missed by the normally excellent spam filter.  Ignore it.

On 5/29/2016 6:39 AM, Python-list wrote:


Look what I've just found on the web, that really cool, yeah, more info here

[likely toxic url snipped]

My Best, Python-list


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{Spam?} Re: need help with selenium

[Nagy László Zsolt]

After clicking on submit button, a message is displayed on the same page 
whether login was successful or not.
However after clicking on submit button, I lose control over the web page. I 
can't use any selenium functions now like 'driver.find_element_by_name()'.
You need to wait until the submit completes. Firefox works in paralel in 
the background, so don't expect the new page to be loaded right after 
you called .submit().


One way to do it is this: after calling submit, call this:

self.browser.find_element_by_tag_name("body")

This call will return ONLY if the page has completed loading. Then you 
can get page_source or do whatever you want.




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Re: spam (wasRe: extract from json)

[Chris Angelico]

On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Mark Lawrence  wrote:
> On 08/03/2014 03:49, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:21 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it's better if you (CENSORED) off.
>>
>>
>> Teddybubu, please understand that the above comment is from a spammer
>> and does not reflect the prevailing attitude of this list. I don't
>> like to make content-free posts like this, but as you already have the
>> answer you need, there's not a lot for me to add :)
>>
>> ChrisA
>>
>
> This particular PITA of a spammer is one of the very few that I see on
> Thunderbird via gmane.  I believe that Terry Reedy amongst others does a
> good job of keeping us relatively spam free.  Thanks all.

Normally I ignore him (and yes, I see those posts too, in Gmail).
Stand-alone posts aren't an issue. I just didn't want a new poster to
see that reply go through unchallenged.

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spam (wasRe: extract from json)

[Mark Lawrence]

On 08/03/2014 03:49, Chris Angelico wrote:

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:21 PM,   wrote:

I think it's better if you (CENSORED) off.


Teddybubu, please understand that the above comment is from a spammer
and does not reflect the prevailing attitude of this list. I don't
like to make content-free posts like this, but as you already have the
answer you need, there's not a lot for me to add :)

ChrisA



This particular PITA of a spammer is one of the very few that I see on 
Thunderbird via gmane.  I believe that Terry Reedy amongst others does a 
good job of keeping us relatively spam free.  Thanks all.


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Re: Spam trash sent to python-list from google-groups

[Mark Lawrence]

On 30/12/2013 19:12, Terry Reedy wrote:

In the last week, python list received the following from google-groups.

vbf...@gmail.com via google-groups
NOW Watch Hot Sexy Star Aishwarya rai Bathing Videos In All Angles
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/749545

hussainc1...@gmail.com via gg
Sania Mirza Naked Pics at www.ZHAKKAS.com
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/749570

hossamala...@gmail.com via gg
=?windows-1256?B?3e3TIMjm3yAtIGZhY2Vib29r?= (Partly Arabic script)
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/749589


hossamalagmy turns up every now and again as does BV BV whatever.  For 
any spam I go straight to gg and gmane and mark them as spam.  Every 
little counts :)


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Spam trash sent to python-list from google-groups

[Terry Reedy]

In the last week, python list received the following from google-groups.

vbf...@gmail.com via google-groups
NOW Watch Hot Sexy Star Aishwarya rai Bathing Videos In All Angles
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/749545

hussainc1...@gmail.com via gg
Sania Mirza Naked Pics at www.ZHAKKAS.com
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/749570

hossamala...@gmail.com via gg
=?windows-1256?B?3e3TIMjm3yAtIGZhY2Vib29r?= (Partly Arabic script)
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/749589

Just to let people know, I have informed the other python-list-owners of 
the situation (and of gg formatting problems) and have enquired about 
possible actions.


I applaud everyone for their restraint in not responding to the above. 
Let them die without be propagated by responses. Please also do not use 
this notice as an excuse for repetitious gg comments.


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OT spam (was Re: THE POPULATION OF MUSLIMS)

[Terry Reedy]

On 9/5/2013 3:58 PM, bv4bv4...@gmail.com wrote:
Religious rant that passed the spam filter and moderation mechanism. I 
am a new moderator and have asked the others if we can block this 
address. Please do not add to the spam posts that do appear by 
commenting on them. We do the best be can with the software we have and 
do discard a couple of posts a day.


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Re: [SPAM] Re: Default Value

[MRAB]

On 24/06/2013 15:22, Grant Edwards wrote:

On 2013-06-22, Ian Kelly  wrote:

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano
 wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:49:51 +0100, MRAB wrote:


On 21/06/2013 21:44, Rick Johnson wrote:

[...]

Which in Python would be the "MutableArgumentWarning".

*school-bell*


I notice that you've omitted any mention of how you'd know that the
argument was mutable.


That's easy. Just call ismutable(arg). The implementation of ismutable is
just an implementation detail, somebody else can work that out. A
language designer of the sheer genius of Rick can hardly be expected to
worry himself about such trivial details.


While we're at it, I would like to petition for a function
terminates(f, args) that I can use to determine whether a function
will terminate before I actually call it.


I think it should be terminate_time() -- so you can also find out how
long it's going to run.  It can return None if it's not going to
terminate...


Surely that should be float("inf")! Anything else would be ridiculous!
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Psychopath Jack Wesolowski takes another spam dump on the UseNet (was: Gary Sokolich - 3463)

[Mamma Wesolowski]

Psychopath Jack Wesolowski trolling and spamming the UseNet as Gary 
Sokolisch  wrote in
news:tv04oi1c11wu.1gv33jqjim98d$.d...@40tude.net: 

> 3463
> 
> W Gary Sokolich
> 801 Kings Road
> Newport Beach, CA 92663-5715
> (949) 650-5379
> Local PD
> 949-644-3681 
> 
> Residence:
> 1029 S Point View St
> Los Angeles CA 90035
> (310) 650-5379
> 
> and
> 5309 Victoria Ave., Los Angeles, CA, 90043
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://web.archive.org/web/20080821231423/http://www.tbpe.state.tx.us/d
> a/da022808.htm 
> 
> TEXAS BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS
> February 28, 2008 Board Meeting Disciplinary Actions 
> 
>  W. Gary Sokolich , Newport Beach, California ¡V File B-29812 - It was
> alleged that. Sokolich unlawfully offered or attempted to practice 
> engineering in Texas (...)  Sokolich chose to end the proceedings by  
> signing a Consent Order that was accepted by the Board to cease and
> desist from representing himself as an ¡§Engineer¡¨ in Texas, from any
> and all representations that he can offer or perform engineering
> services and from the actual practice of engineering in Texas (...) 
> Sokolich was also assessed a $1,360.00 administrative penalty.
> 
> ___
> 
> http://articles.latimes.com/1988-04-14/local/me-1922_1_ucla-researcher
> 
> A former UCLA employee has agreed to provide copies of his research to
> the school to settle a lawsuit the university filed against him in
> 1985, lawyers in the case said.
> 
> (...)
> 
> The University of California Board of Regents filed a $620,000 lawsuit
> against Sokolich, accusing him of taking research on the hearing 
> capabilities of animals in June, 1982. Sokolich was dismissed by UCLA 
> (...).
> 
> (...)
> 



That's my boy Jack Wesolowski, a 68-year old,  mentally-ill ,
retired  SSD worker, foul-mouthed  bigot, racist, liar, spammer and
troll who has been spamming the UseNet as Gary Sokolisch since
January of 2011.

A  recent ode to psychopath Jack Wesolowski, from rec.sport.boxing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.boxing/msg/336baad3954b6f51?...
http://tinyurl.com/7ldhq3b

"Way Back Jack, his mother licks my crack,
Then she sucks my dick until it's yellah.
An' his mother-fuckin' fathah doesn't so much as bother
To use some spittle when he's bung-holin' little
Boys, before they're rollin' in the shower, their 'nads all a'
swollen,
While our perverted faggot Jack laps up all their bloody turds.
He's a real low-life fellah, whose perversion escapes mere words

And one from alt.native, May 4, 2002.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.native/msg/0f12476019613f13?dmode=...
http://tinyurl.com/6ugweze

Brother Jack is a racist bigot
His mouth is a toxic old spigot
He spews out his hate
He never can wait
To find some more dolts who will dig it!

We know a white jerk named Jack
Who really wants to be black
He calls himself "brother"
Wears clothes from his mother(*)
The truth is he's just a hack

We see his rantings as racist bile
His words typically ugly and vile
The master of hate
Thank God he won't mate
Let us leave him alone for awhile

(*)
Jack Wesolowski, circa 2000
http://tinyurl.com/3dtnmpz

Meet Psychopath Jack Wesolowski, the crass, foul-mouthed, bigot,
racist, liar, spammer and troll.

Jack Wesolowski the spammer
http://tinyurl.com/3o7su5k

Jack Wesolowski the troll.
http://tinyurl.com/6ynlegl
http://tinyurl.com/5vljxag
http://tinyurl.com/3nukkeo

Jack Wesolowsk the liar.
http://tinyurl.com/6hr3lmq
http://tinyurl.com/44x4ceg

Jack Wesolowski the bigot.
http://tinyurl.com/3n5z48d
http://tinyurl.com/3h2sc48

Jack Wesolowski the racist.
http://tinyurl.com/3m3vhjb
http://tinyurl.com/3qoolnh
http://tinyurl.com/3j8gnfm
http://tinyurl.com/3c97kg7

Jack Wesolowski, aka
Bob Cain (resurrected)
joe momma
farting boar
diane roselles
dr jackal
Repeal Obama
Mothzer Roselles
Xavier
Amber Travsky
Vladimir Tschenko Badenovsky
Off the moonbat
A liberal's worst nightmare
Swatting Moonbatz
Ruth Chilton
That  Sleazy Cunt Piglosi
Obama Nation is Abomination
ObamaNation=Abomination
Let it Rock
Nobama
Repeal Obama
Mother Roselles
Swatting Moonbatz
Amber Travsky
Gary Sokolisch
Weary Bruiser 1 reti...@home.net
Vladimir Badenovsky
Mike Gibson's Ghost
Gary Sokolosch
Gary Sakolich
THE REAL GARY
GARY IN ANIMAL RESEARCH
GARY THE "ENGINEER"
Calhoun
Bobby Fuller
Calhoon
Jack (windswept@home.)
JackW (windswept@home)
Windswept@home. (jack)
BroJack
Bro Jack
brojac...@my-deja.com
waybackjack
way back jack
jackweso
JackWesolowski
jackw...@email.msn.com (brojac...@my-deja.com)
Jack Wesolowski (wesolow...@freewwweb.com)
broj...@windswept.net (BroJack)
Windswept@Home (Jack W)
jackw...@email.msn.com (brojac...@my-deja.com)
Jack from wyBack

John F Wesolowski
3045 Old Washington Rd
Westminster, MD 21157
(410) 876-6914
http://tinyurl.com/6cv8t2e


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Re: [SPAM] Fonts & Tinker

[Łukasz Posadowski]

Dnia 2013-01-25, pią o godzinie 20:41 -0800, Angel pisze:
> but the real displayed fonts in the window are smaller (default size of 12, 
> maybe).
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> A.
> 

Did you tried this by simple:

---
root = Tk()
root.option_add('*Font', "Heveltica 14")
---

We'll see if it's a local tkinter installation problem.



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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:08:58 -0800, Robert Miles wrote:

> It now takes two people reporting the same spam to get google groups to
> do much about it.  I just reported this one as well, though.

Speaking of spam, googlegroups, and other annoyances, please don't CC 
python-list@python.org as well as posting to the newsgroup.

The newsgroup is already automatically mirrored by the mailing list, and 
vice versa, so by CCing all you do is needlessly, and annoyingly, 
duplicate your message.




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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Robert Miles]

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:18:53 PM UTC-6, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 18/11/2012 19:31, Terry Reedy wrote:
> 
> > The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.
> 
> I don't know the answer but I take the greatest pleasure in hurtling 
> onto the dread googlegroups and gmane to report spam. Thankfully it's 
> easy as the amount I receive via gmane is effectively zero.  YMMV?

It now takes two people reporting the same spam to get google groups
to do much about it.  I just reported this one as well, though.


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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 18 November 2012 21:18:16 Robert Miles did opine:

> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:35:00 PM UTC-6, Terry Reedy wrote:
> > The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.
> > 
> > Not all, but more that half, I believe. This one does.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: MoneyMaker 
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > Message-ID: <2d2a0b98-c587-4459-9489-680b1ddc4...@googlegroups.com>
> 
> That depends on your definition of spam.  This one does not appear to be
> trying to sell anything, and therefore does not meet some of the
> stricter definitions. Definitely off-topic, though.

Not withstanding, it was fed to sa-learn -spam here.

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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Mark Lawrence]

On 18/11/2012 19:31, Terry Reedy wrote:

The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.



I don't know the answer but I take the greatest pleasure in hurtling 
onto the dread googlegroups and gmane to report spam. Thankfully it's 
easy as the amount I receive via gmane is effectively zero.  YMMV?


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Re: Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Robert Miles]

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:35:00 PM UTC-6, Terry Reedy wrote:
> The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.
> 
> Not all, but more that half, I believe. This one does.
> 
> 
> 
> From: MoneyMaker 
> 
> ...
> 
> Message-ID: <2d2a0b98-c587-4459-9489-680b1ddc4...@googlegroups.com>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Terry Jan Reedy

That depends on your definition of spam.  This one does not appear to be trying
to sell anything, and therefore does not meet some of the stricter definitions.
Definitely off-topic, though.
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Spam source (Re: Horror Horror Horror!!!!!)

[Terry Reedy]

The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.
Not all, but more that half, I believe. This one does.

From: MoneyMaker 
...
Message-ID: <2d2a0b98-c587-4459-9489-680b1ddc4...@googlegroups.com>

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Re: recruiter spam

[Chris Withers]

Please don't spam the list with job adverts, post to the job board instead:

http://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/

cheers,

Chris

On 03/05/2012 22:13, Preeti Bhattad wrote:

Hi there,
If you have USA work visa and if you reside in USA;



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70% [* SPAM *] Re: multiprocessing.Queue blocks when sending large object

[DPalao]

Hi Lie,
Thank you for the reply.

El Lunes Diciembre 5 2011, Lie Ryan escribió:
> On 11/30/2011 06:09 AM, DPalao wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I'm trying to use multiprocessing to parallelize a code. There is a
> > number of tasks (usually 12) that can be run independently. Each task
> > produces a numpy array, and at the end, those arrays must be combined.
> > I implemented this using Queues (multiprocessing.Queue): one for input
> > and another for output.
> > But the code blocks. And it must be related to the size of the item I put
> > on the Queue: if I put a small array, the code works well; if the array
> > is realistically large (in my case if can vary from 160kB to 1MB), the
> > code blocks apparently forever.
> > I have tried this:
> > http://www.bryceboe.com/2011/01/28/the-python-multiprocessing-queue-and-l
> > arge- objects/
> > but it didn't work (especifically I put a None sentinel at the end for
> > each worker).
> > 
> > Before I change the implementation,
> > is there a way to bypass this problem with  multiprocessing.Queue?
> > Should I post the code (or a sketchy version of it)?
> 
> Transferring data over multiprocessing.Queue involves copying the whole
> object across an inter-process pipe, so you need to have a reasonably
> large workload in the processes to justify the cost of the copying to
> benefit from running the workload in parallel.
> 
> You may try to avoid the cost of copying by using shared memory
> (http://docs.python.org/library/multiprocessing.html#sharing-state-between-
> processes); you can use Queue for communicating when a new data comes in or
> when a task is done, but put the large data in shared memory. Be careful
> not to access the data from multiple processes concurrently.
> 

Yep, that was my first thought, but the arrays's elements are complex64 (or 
complex in general), and I don't know how to easily convert from 
multiprocessing.Array to/from numpy.array when the type is complex. Doing that 
would require some extra conversions forth and back which make the solution 
not very attractive to me.
I tried with a Manager too, but the array cannot be modified from within the 
worker processes.
 
In principle, the array I need to share is expected to be, at most, ~2MB in 
size, and typically should be only <200kB. So, in principle, there is no huge 
extra workload. But that could change, and I'd like to be prepared for it, so 
any idea about using an Array or a Manager or another shared memory thing 
would be great.

> In any case, have you tried a multithreaded solution? numpy is a C
> extension, and I believe it releases the GIL when working, so it
> wouldn't be in your way to achieve parallelism.

That possibility I didn't know. What does exactly break the GIL? The sharing 
of a numpy array? What if I need to also share some other "standard" python 
data (eg, a dictionary)?

Best regards,

David
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70% [* SPAM *] Re: Re: multiprocessing.Queue blocks when sending large object

[DPalao]

El Lunes Diciembre 5 2011, b...@mail.python.org escribió:
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:02:08 +0100, DPalao 
> 
> wrote:
> >El Martes Noviembre 29 2011, DPalao escribió:
> >> Hello,
> >> I'm trying to use multiprocessing to parallelize a code. There is a
> >> number of tasks (usually 12) that can be run independently. Each task
> >> produces a numpy array, and at the end, those arrays must be combined.
> >> I implemented this using Queues (multiprocessing.Queue): one for input
> >> and another for output.
> >> But the code blocks. And it must be related to the size of the item I
> >> put on the Queue: if I put a small array, the code works well; if the
> >> array is realistically large (in my case if can vary from 160kB to
> >> 1MB), the code blocks apparently forever.
> >> I have tried this:
> >> http://www.bryceboe.com/2011/01/28/the-python-multiprocessing-queue-and-
> >> lar ge- objects/
> >> but it didn't work (especifically I put a None sentinel at the end for
> >> each worker).
> >> 
> >> Before I change the implementation,
> >> is there a way to bypass this problem with  multiprocessing.Queue?
> >> Should I post the code (or a sketchy version of it)?
> >> 
> >> TIA,
> >> 
> >> David
> >
> >Just for reference. The other day I found the explanation by "ryles" on
> >his/her mail of 27th aug 2009, with title "Re: Q: multiprocessing.Queue
> >size limitations or bug...". It is very clarifying.
> >After having read that I arranged the program such that the main process
> >did not need to know when the others have finished, so I changed the
> >process join call with a queue get call, until a None (one per process)
> >is returned.
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >David
> 
> Why do people add character  like[* SPAM *]  to their  subject
> lines ??   Is it supposed to do something  ??   I figured since
> programmers hang out here, maybe one of you know this.
> 
> Thanks,
> boB

Obviously it was not me who added the disgusting "70% [* SPAM *]" string to 
the subject. And I'd like to know the answer too.

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Re: 70% [* SPAM *] multiprocessing.Queue blocks when sending large object

[Lie Ryan]

On 11/30/2011 06:09 AM, DPalao wrote:

Hello,
I'm trying to use multiprocessing to parallelize a code. There is a number of
tasks (usually 12) that can be run independently. Each task produces a numpy
array, and at the end, those arrays must be combined.
I implemented this using Queues (multiprocessing.Queue): one for input and
another for output.
But the code blocks. And it must be related to the size of the item I put on
the Queue: if I put a small array, the code works well; if the array is
realistically large (in my case if can vary from 160kB to 1MB), the code
blocks apparently forever.
I have tried this:
http://www.bryceboe.com/2011/01/28/the-python-multiprocessing-queue-and-large-
objects/
but it didn't work (especifically I put a None sentinel at the end for each
worker).

Before I change the implementation,
is there a way to bypass this problem with  multiprocessing.Queue?
Should I post the code (or a sketchy version of it)?


Transferring data over multiprocessing.Queue involves copying the whole 
object across an inter-process pipe, so you need to have a reasonably 
large workload in the processes to justify the cost of the copying to 
benefit from running the workload in parallel.


You may try to avoid the cost of copying by using shared memory 
(http://docs.python.org/library/multiprocessing.html#sharing-state-between-processes); 
you can use Queue for communicating when a new data comes in or when a 
task is done, but put the large data in shared memory. Be careful not to 
access the data from multiple processes concurrently.


In any case, have you tried a multithreaded solution? numpy is a C 
extension, and I believe it releases the GIL when working, so it 
wouldn't be in your way to achieve parallelism.


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Re: Spam in subject lines (Re: multiprocessing.Queue blocks when sending large object)

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:11:28 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM,   wrote:
>> Why do people add character  like    [* SPAM *]  to their  subject
>> lines ??   Is it supposed to do something  ??   I figured since
>> programmers hang out here, maybe one of you know this.
> 
> People don't. It's something added by a spam filter that thought that
> the email was likely to be junk (in this case, a 70% probability
> thereof). If you're curious as to exactly _why_ the filter thought that,
> check the email headers - it's all there, in exhaustive detail.

Hilariously, I have occasionally received spam where the spammer included 
SPAM in their subject line under the mistaken impression that this sign 
of honesty would make me more likely to read the body of the email.

Actually, in hindsight, not so mistaken really... 



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Spam in subject lines (Re: 70% [* SPAM *] Re: multiprocessing.Queue blocks when sending large object)

[Chris Angelico]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM,   wrote:
> Why do people add character  like    [* SPAM *]  to their  subject
> lines ??   Is it supposed to do something  ??   I figured since
> programmers hang out here, maybe one of you know this.

People don't. It's something added by a spam filter that thought that
the email was likely to be junk (in this case, a 70% probability
thereof). If you're curious as to exactly _why_ the filter thought
that, check the email headers - it's all there, in exhaustive detail.

The purpose of the tag is to let recipients make some simple filter
rules (eg "if it has SPAM in the subject, put it in a separate
folder") and/or to be able to eyeball spam easily.

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Re: 70% [* SPAM *] Re: multiprocessing.Queue blocks when sending large object

[boB]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:02:08 +0100, DPalao 
wrote:

>El Martes Noviembre 29 2011, DPalao escribió:
>> Hello,
>> I'm trying to use multiprocessing to parallelize a code. There is a number
>> of tasks (usually 12) that can be run independently. Each task produces a
>> numpy array, and at the end, those arrays must be combined.
>> I implemented this using Queues (multiprocessing.Queue): one for input and
>> another for output.
>> But the code blocks. And it must be related to the size of the item I put
>> on the Queue: if I put a small array, the code works well; if the array is
>> realistically large (in my case if can vary from 160kB to 1MB), the code
>> blocks apparently forever.
>> I have tried this:
>> http://www.bryceboe.com/2011/01/28/the-python-multiprocessing-queue-and-lar
>> ge- objects/
>> but it didn't work (especifically I put a None sentinel at the end for each
>> worker).
>> 
>> Before I change the implementation,
>> is there a way to bypass this problem with  multiprocessing.Queue?
>> Should I post the code (or a sketchy version of it)?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> David
>
>Just for reference. The other day I found the explanation by "ryles" on 
>his/her mail of 27th aug 2009, with title "Re: Q: multiprocessing.Queue size 
>limitations or bug...". It is very clarifying.
>After having read that I arranged the program such that the main process did 
>not need to know when the others have finished, so I changed the process join 
>call with a queue get call, until a None (one per process) is returned.
>
>Best,
>
>David


Why do people add character  like[* SPAM *]  to their  subject
lines ??   Is it supposed to do something  ??   I figured since
programmers hang out here, maybe one of you know this.

Thanks,
boB


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70% [* SPAM *] Re: multiprocessing.Queue blocks when sending large object

[DPalao]

El Martes Noviembre 29 2011, DPalao escribió:
> Hello,
> I'm trying to use multiprocessing to parallelize a code. There is a number
> of tasks (usually 12) that can be run independently. Each task produces a
> numpy array, and at the end, those arrays must be combined.
> I implemented this using Queues (multiprocessing.Queue): one for input and
> another for output.
> But the code blocks. And it must be related to the size of the item I put
> on the Queue: if I put a small array, the code works well; if the array is
> realistically large (in my case if can vary from 160kB to 1MB), the code
> blocks apparently forever.
> I have tried this:
> http://www.bryceboe.com/2011/01/28/the-python-multiprocessing-queue-and-lar
> ge- objects/
> but it didn't work (especifically I put a None sentinel at the end for each
> worker).
> 
> Before I change the implementation,
> is there a way to bypass this problem with  multiprocessing.Queue?
> Should I post the code (or a sketchy version of it)?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> David

Just for reference. The other day I found the explanation by "ryles" on 
his/her mail of 27th aug 2009, with title "Re: Q: multiprocessing.Queue size 
limitations or bug...". It is very clarifying.
After having read that I arranged the program such that the main process did 
not need to know when the others have finished, so I changed the process join 
call with a queue get call, until a None (one per process) is returned.

Best,

David
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70% [* SPAM *] multiprocessing.Queue blocks when sending large object

[DPalao]

Hello,
I'm trying to use multiprocessing to parallelize a code. There is a number of 
tasks (usually 12) that can be run independently. Each task produces a numpy 
array, and at the end, those arrays must be combined.
I implemented this using Queues (multiprocessing.Queue): one for input and 
another for output.
But the code blocks. And it must be related to the size of the item I put on 
the Queue: if I put a small array, the code works well; if the array is 
realistically large (in my case if can vary from 160kB to 1MB), the code 
blocks apparently forever.
I have tried this:
http://www.bryceboe.com/2011/01/28/the-python-multiprocessing-queue-and-large-
objects/
but it didn't work (especifically I put a None sentinel at the end for each 
worker).

Before I change the implementation, 
is there a way to bypass this problem with  multiprocessing.Queue?
Should I post the code (or a sketchy version of it)?

TIA,

David
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Re: List spam

[George]

I find python group is filled with spam mails, is there any way to filter
these mails before sending it to the group.
I can't see this situation with similar user group, such as the jsr.

George.


On 20/08/2011 07:07, "Ben Finney"  wrote:

> Javier  writes:

> You will lose a lot of people
> asking/answering interesting stuff, and
> maybe eventually the list will
> die.

I don't think it would die, but the chances are greater that it
> would
become insular and further disconnected from the Python community,
> and
hence far less useful.

> Me (like many people with little free time)
> seldom post in
> blogs/forums/mailing lists where I need to register.

+1

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Re: Really, stop repeating spam! (Was: Hot Girls...)

[Chris Angelico]

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:57 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain  wrote:
> Wait, I get it.  The spammer, Matty and you are all on gmail.  You are
> all the same person, aren't you?
>

Gmail is all one person now? That would explain why I keep seeing
things I agree with. I had no idea there were so many of me around!

Wait, does that make me Agent Smith?

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Really, stop repeating spam! (Was: Hot Girls...)

[D'Arcy J.M. Cain]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:16:08 +0530
hackingKK  wrote:
> Well, they might be indented in the right places but i don't know if 
> loops, conditions, functions, if they all happen or not.
> :)

[Entire spam deleted AGAIN]

Good grief!  Haven't you seen all the followups to that posting you
replied to?  Are you two actually in cahoots with the spammer?

Wait, I get it.  The spammer, Matty and you are all on gmail.  You are
all the same person, aren't you?

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Re: Stop quoting spam [was Re: Hot Girls ...]

[D'Arcy J.M. Cain]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:17:32 -0400
David Robinow  wrote:
> > I found said joke rather funny :P
>  Perhaps, as a retired amateur comedian, my standards are too high,

How does one retire from amateur status?  Do you suddenly start
charging for telling jokes?  :-)

> but I don't think adding a smilie to a stupid post suddenly turns it
> into a joke. Nevertheless, the quality of the attempt is not really
> the issue here. The would-be humorist did not need to quote the spam.

Well, exactly.  I don't think that anyone made any comment about the
quality of the joke when talking about the first posting.  The only
thing that people said was that he shouldn't have repeated the spam.
Everyone, including the original poster, who defended the post did so
on the grounds that it was funny.  That's certainly debatable but no
one was telling him not to post until he gets funnier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Whether the post was funny or not is a judgment call.  No one is saying
not to post unfunny jokes because no one is the arbiter of what's
funny.  If you want to argue with the complainers, argue with their
actual complaint.  Tell us why it is OK to repeat spam with all the
spammy URLS intact

By the way, my joke above is hilarious.

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Re: Stop quoting spam [was Re: Hot Girls ...]

[David Robinow]

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Alec Taylor  wrote:
>> ...
> I found said joke rather funny :P
 Perhaps, as a retired amateur comedian, my standards are too high,
but I don't think adding a smilie to a stupid post suddenly turns it
into a joke. Nevertheless, the quality of the attempt is not really
the issue here. The would-be humorist did not need to quote the spam.
Please, don't do it.
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Re: Stop quoting spam [was Re: Hot Girls ...]

[D'Arcy J.M. Cain]

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:10:49 -0400
Rodrick Brown  wrote:
> It's not the end of the world calm down I thought it was quite funny for a 
> friday joke! 

The first message might have been funny (if you are twelve) but the
rest were annoying and insulting.

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Re: Stop quoting spam [was Re: Hot Girls ...]

[Alec Taylor]

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Albert W. Hopkins
 wrote:
>
>
> On Friday, August 19 at 17:12 (-0400), Matty Sarro said:
>
>>
>> If you're that offended then spend the cycles fixing the damn list so
>> it
>> stops having so much spam. You realize spam comes in almost
>> constantly,
>> right? Enough that multiple tines over the past weeks there have been
>> no
>> less than 3 threads about it.
>
> For me, the original post ended in my spam box, which means my filter is
> doing it's job, but when you re-post it, my filter did not regard it as
> spam.  I actually wish it had.  Therefore you are an enabler.
>
>
>> If php, red hat, and perl can manage it for their lists, why not
>> python? Is
>> that a statement about python programmers?
>>
>
> The python list is (also) a Usenet newsgroup.  Usenet is distributed and
> therefore there is no central place to filter spam (each usenet host
> would have to have its own filter and what one considers spam another
> might consider ham)... anyway, that's neither here nor there.  Having my
> own filter usually works.
>
> I'm not here to dis you, just to try to help you understand the how/why
> regarding the re-post and why your attitude about it might give the
> impression of apathy toward your peer community.
>
>
>
>
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I found said joke rather funny :P
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