Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply - from the Treasurer
On 29 Jan 2011, at 20:24, Geoff Wicks wrote: Can a person who has been appointed treasurer of Quanta in a breach of the constitution - a legally binding document - legally sign cheques under British law? If the bank accepts the signature it doesn't matter whether it is legally binding or not. Many years ago Standard Life and Scottish Widows jointly owned a computer. Every year an AGM was held. There were just three people there and I was one. There were supposed to be directors and shareholders. The Scottish Widows representative was a stickler for accuracy and protocol. He was filled to the brim with chagrin when, one year, it was pointed out that all the meetings to date were invalid because of some legal technicality such as shareholders not being present or having sent proxies. The moral is that the legal situation does not matter at all unless someone complains. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hands Up!
On 29 Jan 2011, at 17:39, Geoff Wicks wrote: Now hands up those those who are prepared to be treasurer of Quanta. If absolutely no one else is willing to do this then I would attempt the task. However, the results could be unpredictable. You might find that subscriptions had to be paid in groats every Hogmanay. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply
Hi Geoff, I see you have been answered already with several legally based opinions. The problem with your question is that it is not factually valid. It states that there definitely has been a breach of the constitution. To establish that as a fact rather than opinion you will need to get a judicial review. Do you think that this will be a good use of Quanta's time and money? As to the now hypothetical cheque, as the club rules regarding the status of the individual had been interpreted that the individual was correctly appointed, if the cheque was signed by the individual in the honest belief that they had the right to do so and the cheque was honoured by the club in the honest belief that the individual had the right to sign the cheque and there was no evidence of fraud in the criminal sense in the use of the cheque then the simple answer is yes and should any redress be needed should there have been an honest mis-interpretation of rules this should be sought within the rules of the club in the first instance. Duncan -Original Message- From: Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:24 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply - from the Treasurer -- From: matras...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:49 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply - from the Treasurer Hi Geoff, Suggest you look up transactional analysis in google especially critical parent and willful child roles. In law in the UK there is a differentiation between criminal and civil law. Any perceived violations of Quanta's constitution will fall in to civil law, unless you are suggesting fraud according to the criminal definition of this. If not then if there is a legal case to be made because of some injury, someone, an individual or group of individuals, needs to sue. It seems on this list at the moment only you feel there is a case to be made. The question then is are you going to sue Quanta. If not then what is your purpose. Answer a simple question, but the answer has to be not as a layman would answer but as a lawyer would answer: Can a person who has been appointed treasurer of Quanta in a breach of the constitution - a legally binding document - legally sign cheques under British law? Best Wishes, Geoff _ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply
-- From: Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:45 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply On 29/01/2011 12:54, Geoff Wicks wrote: -- From: Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:05 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply Actually, I disagree and this is where the constitution is badly worded - ordinary members is also used to describe members of Quanta, not just the committee and I would therefore interpret this clause to mean that the Committee can fill vacancies by [co-opting members of Quanta] to the Committee - ordinary members is used in clause 4.1 to refer to the membership of Quanta (or are you suggesting that only the spouse of officers could ever be an associate member? In fact the wording of clause 5.0 uses the term 'other members' to refer to the members of the committee who are not officers - nowhere is the term 'ordinary members' used in this sense. - It's discussions like this that I used to love when I was a solicitor and/or company secretary - invariably the person asking the question never wants to hear the official answer which always has to be well it CAN be interpreted as - nothing is ever definite when it comes to the law, that's why in pages of legal documentation, you never see full stops, commas, or semicolons - it leaves it more open to interpretation - and more money for the solicitors! Actually Rich we are not in such disagreement. Your original reply jogged my memory and when I posted the interpretation of the constitution last year I stumbled over that point. Did ordinary member mean an ordinary member of the committee or a non-committee member? In fact I asked a series of questions that the committee should look at for clarification thinking that if they could do that in advance it would make it easier to avoid problems by any co-option. Thank god this discussion is now becoming serious and tackling issues that it should do. A lot of people think law in black and white, but it is more shades of grey than anything else and that is how lawyers become rich, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply - from the Treasurer
On 30/01/2011 09:29, gdgqler wrote: On 29 Jan 2011, at 20:24, Geoff Wicks wrote: Can a person who has been appointed treasurer of Quanta in a breach of the constitution - a legally binding document - legally sign cheques under British law? If the bank accepts the signature it doesn't matter whether it is legally binding or not. Many years ago Standard Life and Scottish Widows jointly owned a computer. Every year an AGM was held. There were just three people there and I was one. There were supposed to be directors and shareholders. The Scottish Widows representative was a stickler for accuracy and protocol. He was filled to the brim with chagrin when, one year, it was pointed out that all the meetings to date were invalid because of some legal technicality such as shareholders not being present or having sent proxies. The moral is that the legal situation does not matter at all unless someone complains. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm I like the story - however, why would a jointly owned computer need an AGM ?? -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk http://www.rwapservices.co.uk -- Try out our new site: http://sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hands Up!
-- From: gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:36 AM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Hands Up! On 29 Jan 2011, at 17:39, Geoff Wicks wrote: Now hands up those those who are prepared to be treasurer of Quanta. If absolutely no one else is willing to do this then I would attempt the task. However, the results could be unpredictable. You might find that subscriptions had to be paid in groats every Hogmanay. Thanks George. There is however another problem - although I don't expect you to solve that as well - that a member of the committee emailed me about yesterday. At the moment Quanta has no magazine editor. John Gilpin has definitely stepped down and there is no replacement. The committee are currently putting together an emergency issue of the magazine because of a legal obligation to publish matters before the AGM. No one knows what will happen after that. Unless someone steps forward to edit the magazine it is difficult see how the committee would have the resources to continue producing the magazine. Look after your next Quanta Magazine - it could be a collector's item. Let me use this space to pay a tribute to John. We owe an enormous debt to him. Without John's work Quanta would have had to have been wound up two or three years ago. I did not want to see a person of his honesty and integrity inadvertently finding himself on the wrong side of the law, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply - from the Treasurer
On 30 Jan 2011, at 10:05, Rich Mellor wrote: On 30/01/2011 09:29, gdgqler wrote: On 29 Jan 2011, at 20:24, Geoff Wicks wrote: Can a person who has been appointed treasurer of Quanta in a breach of the constitution - a legally binding document - legally sign cheques under British law? If the bank accepts the signature it doesn't matter whether it is legally binding or not. Many years ago Standard Life and Scottish Widows jointly owned a computer. Every year an AGM was held. There were just three people there and I was one. There were supposed to be directors and shareholders. The Scottish Widows representative was a stickler for accuracy and protocol. He was filled to the brim with chagrin when, one year, it was pointed out that all the meetings to date were invalid because of some legal technicality such as shareholders not being present or having sent proxies. The moral is that the legal situation does not matter at all unless someone complains. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm I like the story - however, why would a jointly owned computer need an AGM ?? A company was set up jointly owned by Scottish Widows and Standard Life to run the computer. When the computer was being built, representatives of the two offices went to see the work in progress. They were rather annoyed to see the notice attached to their machine. It read Scottish Life, a different company in Edinburgh. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
I am in the process of rewriting the USBWiz driver to get around the problems with supervisor mode that I encountered last year. The new driver spawns independent jobs to handle reads and writes asynchronously in the background (because it has to invoke serial IO). I'm doing the work in QPC2 and I've encountered a problem with calls to MT.FRJOB. This is the code that I'm using at the end of my USB_RD (and USB_WR) job: moveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap#1 ; Remove ourselves! The only problem is that it doesn't work! It actually returns err.nc (Not Complete) and the job continues executing. Calls to mt.susjb and mt.prior succeed (d0 is zero on return) but don't actually do what they should. I'm beginning to think it's a QPC2 thing, but before I unpack the Aurora QL from its hermetically sealed casket in the garden shed, can anyone shed any light on the reasons why these traps should fail in this way? Many thanks Adrian ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
On 30 Jan 2011, at 10:25, Adrian Ives wrote: I am in the process of rewriting the USBWiz driver to get around the problems with supervisor mode that I encountered last year. The new driver spawns independent jobs to handle reads and writes asynchronously in the background (because it has to invoke serial IO). I'm doing the work in QPC2 and I've encountered a problem with calls to MT.FRJOB. This is the code that I'm using at the end of my USB_RD (and USB_WR) job: moveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap#1 ; Remove ourselves! The only problem is that it doesn't work! It actually returns err.nc (Not Complete) and the job continues executing. Calls to mt.susjb and mt.prior succeed (d0 is zero on return) but don't actually do what they should. I'm beginning to think it's a QPC2 thing, but before I unpack the Aurora QL from its hermetically sealed casket in the garden shed, can anyone shed any light on the reasons why these traps should fail in this way? mt.frjob may not work in supervisor mode. The manual (Dickens) says this trap is not guaranteed atomic. Could this be the problem? George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply - from the Treasurer
On 30/01/2011 10:16, gdgqler wrote: On 30 Jan 2011, at 10:05, Rich Mellor wrote: On 30/01/2011 09:29, gdgqler wrote: On 29 Jan 2011, at 20:24, Geoff Wicks wrote: Can a person who has been appointed treasurer of Quanta in a breach of the constitution - a legally binding document - legally sign cheques under British law? If the bank accepts the signature it doesn't matter whether it is legally binding or not. Many years ago Standard Life and Scottish Widows jointly owned a computer. Every year an AGM was held. There were just three people there and I was one. There were supposed to be directors and shareholders. The Scottish Widows representative was a stickler for accuracy and protocol. He was filled to the brim with chagrin when, one year, it was pointed out that all the meetings to date were invalid because of some legal technicality such as shareholders not being present or having sent proxies. The moral is that the legal situation does not matter at all unless someone complains. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm I like the story - however, why would a jointly owned computer need an AGM ?? A company was set up jointly owned by Scottish Widows and Standard Life to run the computer. When the computer was being built, representatives of the two offices went to see the work in progress. They were rather annoyed to see the notice attached to their machine. It read Scottish Life, a different company in Edinburgh. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Hee hee - that is fun - maybe it would have been much better to have left the original label on it - Sinclair QL -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk http://www.rwapservices.co.uk -- Try out our new site: http://sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
George, That had occurred to me as well, but this section of code is definitely executing in user mode. The job can be manually removed using an S*BASIC RJOB command or from the QPAC Jobs list. However, I'm sure the clue does lie in the fact that the trap is not guaranteed atomic. Adrian -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of gdgqler Sent: 30 January 2011 10:37 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing On 30 Jan 2011, at 10:25, Adrian Ives wrote: I am in the process of rewriting the USBWiz driver to get around the problems with supervisor mode that I encountered last year. The new driver spawns independent jobs to handle reads and writes asynchronously in the background (because it has to invoke serial IO). I'm doing the work in QPC2 and I've encountered a problem with calls to MT.FRJOB. This is the code that I'm using at the end of my USB_RD (and USB_WR) job: moveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap#1 ; Remove ourselves! The only problem is that it doesn't work! It actually returns err.nc (Not Complete) and the job continues executing. Calls to mt.susjb and mt.prior succeed (d0 is zero on return) but don't actually do what they should. I'm beginning to think it's a QPC2 thing, but before I unpack the Aurora QL from its hermetically sealed casket in the garden shed, can anyone shed any light on the reasons why these traps should fail in this way? mt.frjob may not work in supervisor mode. The manual (Dickens) says this trap is not guaranteed atomic. Could this be the problem? George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL On A Stick
(for Dilwyn) I have a ASUS netbook (one of the first to come out) running a derivitive of Linux, no hard drive to speak of, no CD, just SD and USB, if I send you a USB stick I can try it out that way? Lee Privett - Sent from my Laptop running XP but emulating the QL using QPC2 - Original Message - From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL On A Stick Dilwyn, Would anyone be willing and able to help us with this? I'll gladly send a CD copy of the Windows version to anyone willing to help. Bung me over the CD then please and I'll see what works and what doesn't. I have access to XP running in an emulator on this laptop plus OpenSuse 11.2 64 bit, OpenSuse 11.3 32 and 64 bit, OpenSuse 11.4 64 bit, Oracle Enterprise Linux 5.5 64 bit, Linux Mint 10 64 bit, PCLinuxOS 32 bit as well. I can even, god forbid, install Ubuntu as well - just to make sure I cover the popular versions. Oh, ok, Fedora too then, if I must! :-) Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
Well I've worked around the issue (for now). In the end I have had to add an extra step to my driver's 50HZ timer tick service that checks if the I/O job is still running (and is due for removal) and then issues an mt.frjob there. I still have no explanation as to why the job is seemingly unable to remove itself, or why other job control traps are behaving so strangely in the spawned jobs. So ... development of the USBWiz driver project continues. The old version of the driver could mount and read/write a QDOS format SD card, but stalled when doing slaved writes or large reads. This new version uses a totally different architecture but that has introduced a whole new set of problems. I'm hopeful that they can be solved in time ... but then the question is whether anyone would want a USB device that is read/written at the maximum speed of the serial port! :( Adrian -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Ives Sent: 30 January 2011 11:18 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing George, That had occurred to me as well, but this section of code is definitely executing in user mode. The job can be manually removed using an S*BASIC RJOB command or from the QPAC Jobs list. However, I'm sure the clue does lie in the fact that the trap is not guaranteed atomic. Adrian -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of gdgqler Sent: 30 January 2011 10:37 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing On 30 Jan 2011, at 10:25, Adrian Ives wrote: I am in the process of rewriting the USBWiz driver to get around the problems with supervisor mode that I encountered last year. The new driver spawns independent jobs to handle reads and writes asynchronously in the background (because it has to invoke serial IO). I'm doing the work in QPC2 and I've encountered a problem with calls to MT.FRJOB. This is the code that I'm using at the end of my USB_RD (and USB_WR) job: moveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap#1 ; Remove ourselves! The only problem is that it doesn't work! It actually returns err.nc (Not Complete) and the job continues executing. Calls to mt.susjb and mt.prior succeed (d0 is zero on return) but don't actually do what they should. I'm beginning to think it's a QPC2 thing, but before I unpack the Aurora QL from its hermetically sealed casket in the garden shed, can anyone shed any light on the reasons why these traps should fail in this way? mt.frjob may not work in supervisor mode. The manual (Dickens) says this trap is not guaranteed atomic. Could this be the problem? George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Hands Up!
Let me use this space to pay a tribute to John. We owe an enormous debt to him. Without John's work Quanta would have had to have been wound up two or three years ago. I did not want to see a person of his honesty and integrity inadvertently finding himself on the wrong side of the law, Hear hear. I've combined 3 roles myself, but that is nothing to the work John has done - Magazine Editor, Membership Secretary, Treasurer and a lot of general committee work. From what has been said here, and having been on the committee myself for some time now I can confidently say I have never seen there to be anything but good intention, whatever else the legal position might technically turn out to be. One way forward for Geoff and others who agree with his viewpoint is to stand for committee, or (given his existing time commitments with QL Today) to nominate new committee members he thinks would be right for the organisation. It is always healthy to have new blood and new ideas on committees in general anyway. Even if you can't get nominations in by tomorrow's deadline, think ahead for next year. We can argue about this until, umm, Wales win the World Cup (which probably means the end of time) but getting one or two new committee members every year would probably be the best solution to all this. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] QXL.WIN
Does anyone know if there is a limit on the number of files in a QXL.WIN directory (or the entire QXL.WIN for that matter)? I have noticed that one directory in mine has a very large number of files which have built up over time. The last thing I want is to find that adding one more file to it breaks the system at some point! Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
Adrian, This is the code that I'm using at the end of my USB_RD (and USB_WR) job: moveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap#1 ; Remove ourselves! The only problem is that it doesn't work! This reminds me of something I used to do many years ago, and the reason I did it was because i saw it done by someone better than me: kill_memoveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap #1 bra.s kill_me I can't remember if it was Andy Pennell or Adrian Dickens or Chas Dillon. Someone did it though. Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
On 30 Jan 2011, at 16:33, Norman Dunbar wrote: This is the code that I'm using at the end of my USB_RD (and USB_WR) job: moveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap#1 ; Remove ourselves! The only problem is that it doesn't work! This reminds me of something I used to do many years ago, and the reason I did it was because i saw it done by someone better than me: kill_memoveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap #1 bra.s kill_me I can't remember if it was Andy Pennell or Adrian Dickens or Chas Dillon. Someone did it though. Interesting. I've never to my knowledge needed the final branch in any of my programs. With the branch in, the program is not going to do very much until it eventually decides to stop. Without that anything may presumably occur. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
Hi George, Interesting. I've never to my knowledge needed the final branch in any of my programs. With the branch in, the program is not going to do very much until it eventually decides to stop. Without that anything may presumably occur. I have a funny feeling you called me to task many years ago in QL Toady when I wrote some code with it in! ;-) Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
On 30 Jan 2011, at 16:47, Norman Dunbar wrote: Interesting. I've never to my knowledge needed the final branch in any of my programs. With the branch in, the program is not going to do very much until it eventually decides to stop. Without that anything may presumably occur. I have a funny feeling you called me to task many years ago in QL Toady when I wrote some code with it in! ;-) That is highly unlikely. In fact I often use for testing a small program which ends by running through to the suicide code. Each time I look at this I remind myself that nothing can happen after the Trap #1. But it appears it can! Both Pennel and Dickens say that the only error that can occur with mt.frjob is -2, invalid job. So not complete can't occur. H! George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
It's worth bearing in mind that I'm developing under SMSQ/E on QPC2, which post-date Pennel and Dickens, either environment may have an effect. In any case, my job definitely continued to execute after the Trap #1 and even doing the kill_me looping branch didn't solve the problem - it just kept calling mt.frjob ad infinitum! I'll need to dig further into this because even though I now have a solution, I don't like not understanding why the behaviour is there in the first place. Or why, in the same job, calls to mt.susjb or mt.prior all return 0 in d0, apparently indicating success, but don't actually do anything! Adrian -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of gdgqler Sent: 30 January 2011 17:07 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing On 30 Jan 2011, at 16:47, Norman Dunbar wrote: Interesting. I've never to my knowledge needed the final branch in any of my programs. With the branch in, the program is not going to do very much until it eventually decides to stop. Without that anything may presumably occur. I have a funny feeling you called me to task many years ago in QL Toady when I wrote some code with it in! ;-) That is highly unlikely. In fact I often use for testing a small program which ends by running through to the suicide code. Each time I look at this I remind myself that nothing can happen after the Trap #1. But it appears it can! Both Pennel and Dickens say that the only error that can occur with mt.frjob is -2, invalid job. So not complete can't occur. H! George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] OT - News clip - free Wi-Fi hotspots
In message 4d4497f5.4030...@rwapservices.co.uk, Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk writes On 29/01/2011 22:34, Malcolm Cadman wrote: Hi, News clip, that could be useful for all of us. O2 to launch free Wi-Fi hotspot network Taking on BT and The Cloud, the mobile operator plans to give customers and non-customers alike access to free Wi-Fi via 15,000 hotspots around the UK http://nl.zdnet.co.uk/da4BsBDaic/ivBvH This makes me laugh - I sent back one BT router because it did not allow you to turn off the open Wi-Fi access (luckily I had a slightly earlier one which allowed this to be switched off). My broadband is slow enough as it is, let alone with others tapping into my Wi-Fi. I wonder how many other people are actually willing to accept slower broadband to provide these Wi-Fi hotspots to anyone passing? Hi Rich, It seems that O2 are proposing a rival system of WiFi hot spots ... if it ever gets put in place. My local BTFon hot spot is located at the local McDonalds ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply
In message 4d44a2e0.7040...@sbcglobal.net, Timothy Swenson swenso...@sbcglobal.net writes Hi Tim, The simple way around this, is for all of the Officers to step down at the AGM, every Year. Then, for a few seconds, the organisation has no Officers - no one in charge. Following this brief period of time, the names of the members standing as Officers is read out - by the Secretary - to the general membership present (which can be any or all of the previously serving Officers). These then become the Officers for the forthcoming Year. This is what I practice as the Company Secretary to a Limited Company by Guarantee and Not for Profit, and a Registered Charity. In our case we have a Board of Trustees, standing down, and then continuing in to the forthcoming Year (if the individuals wish to re-stand). New nominations are also taken at this time. The problem with setting a period of time for an Officer to serve, always causes problems at some time or other. Especially, the more complicated versions, where Officers resign in some kind of sequence linked to a period served. The Charity Commission, in the UK, has a number of standard Constitutions, on its web site, which are there to be used depending on the type and purpose of the organisation. An AGM, is a General Meeting of the organisation. Open to all members to attend. Yet, Officers, as such are not elected at AGM's. People simply put themselves forward to serve, in a public manner. It is then for the Committee / Board to decide who is best suited to the various Posts. On which they take a Vote. Were Officers to be elected, directly, at an AGM, it would open the door to someone incompetent to get voted in, or some collusion to take place. For a Registered Company, all the Board members are listed, openly, on the Companies House Register. Which is available for the public to see. From the discussion I can get a feel for what might be the issue that is being discussed. Over the last 12 years I've been on the Board of 4 different non-profits. I've written the By-laws (what you guys are calling the Constitution) for one non-profit. The only time the By-laws really come into play is when someone thinks that the organization is not behaving properly. I was in one non-profit where there were two factions and we really needed the By-laws to keep everyone playing properly. In another non-profit, the By-laws stipulate how long an officer may hold an office. We've ignored this part of the By-laws because there is no one stepping up to take over the office. If we followed the By-laws all of the officers would be termed out and with no one stepping up to take over, the organization would basically have no Board. If someone does step forward to complain, we'll volunteer them for an office. :-) Tim Swenson -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] GWASL and LIB instruction?
Good evening everybody, what is the correct way to use the LIB instruction with GWASL (the lite assembler) ? From gwasl_text in the zip archive: LIBfilename This copies the (binary) file filename to the _BIN file. Ummm how would I calculate an offset to a routine compiled inside this _BIN from the _ASM I'm copying it into? I would like to break down my project into several _ASM files and compile these separately into _BIN files and then create a main _BIN that includes the other ones and orchestrates. Or would it be a better idea to ditch GWASL and go for as68 from the c68 package? Many thanks in advance for any advice. Best regards, Petri ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
Adrian Ives wrote: moveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap#1 Check the disassembly. I guess D1 is set to 0. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
No, it isn't. me is defined as -1, for the current job. -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Kilgus Sent: 30 January 2011 21:20 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing Adrian Ives wrote: moveq #mt.frjob,d0 moveq #me,d1 moveq #0,d3 trap#1 Check the disassembly. I guess D1 is set to 0. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QXL.WIN
Dilwyn Jones wrote: Does anyone know if there is a limit on the number of files in a QXL.WIN directory (or the entire QXL.WIN for that matter)? I know of no limit (which doesn't mean none exist), but in any case access to files in huge directories can be somewhat slow as the name search is linear. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QXL.WIN
There is a QUANTA Library QXL.WIN file on CD done by Darren Brannah some years ago that has quite a few folders and files in it. Maybe Darren made a count of how many, but I don't know personally. Is it a function of the number of files or is it the total size of the .win file that is important? John G. On 30/01/2011 13:04, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Does anyone know if there is a limit on the number of files in a QXL.WIN directory (or the entire QXL.WIN for that matter)? I have noticed that one directory in mine has a very large number of files which have built up over time. The last thing I want is to find that adding one more file to it breaks the system at some point! Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
Adrian Ives wrote: No, it isn't. me is defined as -1, for the current job. Have you checked that in an actual disassembly or in a debugger or just had a look at the source? Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing
I was 100% certain, but I went back and checked this and you're right - too much late night editing! This solves the mystery, because Job 0 cannot be removed. However, on the plus side, this problem actually allowed me to develop a tidier method of managing the spawned jobs. Many thanks for your insight! -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Kilgus Sent: 30 January 2011 21:33 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help! Reasons for MT.FRJOB Failing Adrian Ives wrote: No, it isn't. me is defined as -1, for the current job. Have you checked that in an actual disassembly or in a debugger or just had a look at the source? Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply
On 1/30/2011 10:48 AM, Malcolm Cadman wrote: Were Officers to be elected, directly, at an AGM, it would open the door to someone incompetent to get voted in, or some collusion to take place. Interesting, as California State code for Non-profits pretty much specifies that members vote on officers and the board. It is only the members that can make any changes to the By-laws. I'm guessing that the AGM is the same as a General Member Meeting. Most non-profits have one every year for elections. In one non-profit I'm involved with, rarely does a regular member attend these meetings and only the Board members show up (even with the required notification sent out). Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply
On Friday 28 Jan 2011 20:29:56 Geoff Wicks wrote: Having written all this let me be the first person to state in public that the time has come for Quanta to be wound up. When an organisation is reduced to breaching its constitution to survive it has become a gigantic farce. If we needed Quanta we would be using it. In practice the active members of Quanta represent under 10% of the UK QL community and under 5% of the international QL community. The demise of Quanta is something the QL community can survive, I wholeheartedly agree that the QL community could easily survive the demise of Quanta. I wholeheartedly disagree that Quanta should be wound up. Let me explain my position and my personal reasons why. I am a very bad Quanta member. I pay my subscription. I read the magazine. I attend the local subgroup. I will even go to the AGM. I avoid anything to do with the committee, partly because I have such strong views and do not want to sway my wife, Alison, who is the current secretary. I have twice in the past been on the Quanta committee, once with Geoff. I have no wish to be on the committee again, because the last time I received a letter threatening legal recourse because someone was upset about something or other and while it was all settled with a shake of hands, life is too short to be that bothered about a computer club for enthusiasts. I like the QL. I use mine although not as often as I would like, but probably more than I should. I have FAILED to upload all the survey that everyone kindly submitted. I have FAILED to write some articles that I have promised the Editor often. I do much that is half hearted. I have a QL on a stick that both lets me install uQLx under Linux or boots a Linux distribution off the stick with uQLx ready to run, but once done the challenge was over and interests move on. I think there is much that the community should be doing, but again that is my opinion. However, when it comes to Quanta, I am of the opinion that if you personally, do not want Quanta, for whatever reason, then leave it. People do for many reasons, be it apathy, no longer have the time or just want to move on. That is fine. I am grateful that they enriched the Quanta community. Some stay in the QL community. Great. That is their choice and they continue to enrich it. Some leave altogether and I am sad, but again that is their choice. I want to be in Quanta, I want Quanta to continue because I like it and gain benefit. I see no reason to wind it up because someone else does not get benefit from it when if that is the case they are not forced to remain and can leave. Like most things apathy wins. It is easier to do nothing and let the flow continue. As you, Geoff, seem to care for the community and have done so in the past, are you willing to assist Quanta? If you are willing, I will gladly propose you as a committee member. We would just need to find a seconder in time. Regards John Southern ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Finally a reply
I'm guessing that the AGM is the same as a General Member Meeting. Yes, the AGM TLA stands for Annual General Meeting. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
